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ANY INFORMATION ABOUT BITCOIN THEY WILL ONLY USE THAT TO EXPLOIT THE REST OF US LET THEM DISCOVER IT FOR THEMSELVES THAY SHOLD NOT CONTROL THE REST OV US IN THIS FINEST HOUR.


OHH THEY APPEAR TO BE FRIENDLY AND COME AND LEARN FROM US THE WAYS OF BITCOIN AND THEN AFTER A MONTH OR 2 -



THEY EXPLOIT THAT INFORMATION TO TAX CONTROL US WITH THE BANKERS DO NOT FALL FOR THEIR TRICKS THEY ONLY PRETEND TO BE FRIENDLY HEED MY WARNING FRIENDS THEY HATH F UCKED US OVER TIME AND TIME AGAIN... THEY LIE IN OUR FACES FOR CENTURIES WHY SHOULD WE GIVE THEM ANY INFORMATION LET UTH STAB THEM IN THE BACK AND SEE HOW THEY LIKE IT

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/nov/03/treasury-advice-bitcoin-community-financial-technology-currencies

THE MORE THEY UNDERSTAND THE MORE LAWS AND OPPRESSION THEY CAN ENSUE ON US LITTLE BY LITTLE DAY BE DAY AND MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.

THEY KNOW ITS A AS GOOD AS GOLD AND THEY DONT LIKE IT BECAUSE WE CAN USE BITCOIN TO CERCUMVENT THE BANKER WANKERS HOW AND WEN WE LIKE IT BITCOIN IS POWER FOR THE PEE POLE

WE MOST PROTECT OUR FREEDOMS AND FIGHT AGAINST TYRANNY GOD BLESS... AMERICA?? NO GOD BLESS THE PEE POLE OF THE WORLD

LISTEN IT WILL BENEFIT ALL OF US IF WE TELL THE GOVERNMENT TO FUCK OFF WE CAN RUN OUR OWN COMMUNITIES AND PROJECTS WITHOUT THEM WE CAN SPREAD THE WORD IT IS A PEE POLES CURRENCY THAT WILL HELP THE POORER COUNTRIES INSTEAD OF THE MONEY TRICKLING DOWN FROM BANKER FEES AND OTHER CORRUPTED ORGANISATIONS...

THE POSSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS THE GOVERNMENT ARE LYING SACKS OF SHIT STAY TRUE TO BITCOIN IT IS THE EPIPHANY AGAINST THEM BITCOIN CAN HELP PEOPLE ITS SCARCITY WILL PREVENT WARS AND EBOLA SPIES... YES

THE GOVERNMENT CREATED EBOLA OR THE BANKS 1 OF THE TWO OR BOTH

THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF BITCOIN IS TO BYPASS THEM ENTIRELY DO NOT GIVE IN TO TEMPTATION THEY ARE ASKING YOU FOR HELP BECAUSE THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW TO CONTROL IT AND ULTIMATELY US WITH IT.

Screams aside ....OP does have a point, Satoshi did walk away the moment Gavin accepted the invitation to speak with the CIA. Coincidence?

I don't know whether it is hubris or just naivete when people think they can play within the regulatory framework that is supported and controlled by antagonistic bankers and regulators that Bitcoin intends to disrupt.


You sound like a troll, raving lunatic, or an Agent Provocateur.

Step 1 - click the caps lock key so you stop screaming in our ears.
Step 2 - seek some psychological or addiction help

NO I AM NOT TROLLING I AM MERELY VOICING MY OPIONION IM NOT HERE TO TRIP ANYONE UP...

FOR YEARS WE HATH BEEN VICTIM TO THE OPPRESSION THE POLICE A RAMPANT KILLING ANYONE FOR STUPID SILLY OFFENCES YOU KNOW WHAT THE STATE IS LIKE THERE ARE PLENTY OF VIDEOS THEY ALL SUPPORT THE BANKING SYSTEM IT IS A NEVER ENDING MONOPOLY.


MAYBE I AM INSANE AND MAYBE I DO NEED HELP BUT THAT HELP WILL COME FROM THE POWER OF BITCOIN

You still have the cap locks key on, which means you are still screaming in our ears and it is difficult reading text when every letter is capitalized. This is internet 101.

Hey, in all sincerity I am concerned for your mental well being. I probably agree with much of your politics but you need to first focus on seeking some counseling through a friend, family member, or third party because you are clearly going through some problems right now.

Let us know how we can help if you have no family members or friends you can speak to.

CAPS LOCK OR NOT THIS IS WORTH FIGHTING FOR...


WHY DOTH U THINK SATOSHI NAKAMOTO IS IN HIDING??? BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT WILL HATH HIM ARRESTED FOR TERRORISM JUST LIKE THEY SHUT DOWN NAPSTER AND E-GOLD

THE GOVERNMENT

AND NOW THEY KNOW THEY CANT DO MUCH ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW THEY ARE PLAYING "BE MY FRIEND"

WE MOST NOT FORGET SATOSHI NAKAMOTO AND THE REASONS BEHIND IS CREATION FOR THE PEE POLE

SATOSHI NAKAMOTO MUST NOT BE FORGOTTON I RESPECT HIS PRIVACY AND WHAT HE HAS DONE FOR THE WORLD HE IS THE REAL HERO HERE...

This thread is gold

PEE POLE?

Troll or Agent Provocateur than. Ignore List.

Protests do nothing.. the ONLY hope of being free again would be if a million + of us all went to Utah(they'd have to take people from all differenct countries) and created our own free country.. we'd need atleast a mill because MERICA would start a war against this peaceful idea.

YES THAT WAS TOTALLY AND COMPLEETLY A COINCEDENCE!!!! HE WUZ PLANNING ON LEAVING WAY BEFORE THAT!

I THINK THE OP IS RIGHT, SO I'M GONNA MOVE THE SOURCE CODE TO SUMPLACE MORE SECURE WHERE THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T SEE IT ANYMORE. AND I WENT AND GOT ME A GOOD HAT TO WEAR WHEN I WRITE CODE SO THEIR SATELITES CANT HEAR ME EITHER.

FOR THE CHILDREN!

Gavin I don't think you can trust open source. You should store the source code offline so that no one can view it. Just publish pre-compiled files, that will go over great.

Is your hat aluminum?

Are you sure Gavin ?

If bitcoin can't beat the government, it was fundamentally flawed.

I don't buy into any of those conspiracy theories and think that you should certainly have any right to speak with whomever you wish irrespective of Satoshi's politics, but .... There is a conversation to be had about the effectiveness of working with regulators or not.

What do you think of Satoshi's politics? Libertarian, anarchist, or merely slightly distrustful of governments?
 

The only way to be sure is if he was Satoshi himself , which I doubt. IMHO, the truth of the matter is probably something in between. Satoshi was planning on leaving anyways because he wanted others to take over what he started but was generally distrustful of governments and probably wasn't happy that individuals were deliberately working with regulators and government groups.  This doesn't mean that individuals like Gavin don't have a fair argument to make in speaking with regulators and government agencies or that anybody has any right to tell Gavin what to do with his spare time or whom he should speak to either.

Um, ok then....

lol....Gavin pops in for some funny.

A mixture of humor but also genuine sensitivity towards people speculating about Satoshi's politics.
We don't know how Satoshi really felt about that meeting or his true political convictions but do know at minimum he/she/they were generally distrustful of banks and governments and Bitcoin has some intrinsic properties that deliberately undermines governments from regulating and controlling the protocol.

lololololol

OP you need to chill man, or you will go crazy

Put the source code where the sun never shines.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-LCCqQNT79Oo/VFj22ROk4FI/AAAAAAAAREo/rcoKdNJiG4o/w1077-h792-no/bobob.jpg

-B-

governments will always try to take power over the people. as the OP says about the new york regulations. (in the article).

i do not want to see "money limits" or identification of users attached to bitcoin addresses ever!, the only intervention i want to see is the barrier to access to fair and just courts removed. to make it easy for those that have doxxed scammers to easily be able to get those scammers dealt with (better consumer protections basically)

no one should be asking for default identification of every user, but for businesses offering a 'trusting' and 'holding' service, they need to be accountable to some consumer protections.

this means users wanting to send funds into and out of a service do not need ID. but the business handling the funds of people should not hide. basically if ou want to be a business and hold peoples money, reveal yourself. but if you want to just be a person, carry on with your private lives

the whole war on terror is a laugh, especially if companies like samsung are allowed to sell tanks, and have a no limit funds transfer account which is not taxed..
http://www.samsungtechwin.com/product/product_05_01_01.asp

Why should I give someone the information about my gold when I know he's trying to steal my vault.

OP is in need of a good fapping.  :P

NOBODY IN THE GOVERNMENT WANTS TO HEAR WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT BITCOIN ANYWAY. WHY ARE WE ALL YELLING?

The government has no barriers to learning about bitcoin. All of it is pretty much public domain information. One can learn pretty much everything they want to know by reading posts here so should we shut this site down? Open source and transparency is a double edged sword.

Good point, the exception to this is will regulators go through all the effort or be able to learn the intricacies as quickly and its implications without having free expert consultants assist them.

There is a valid argument in suggesting we may be digging our own grave.

not really
bitcoin.. the protocol itself should remain open and honest without interference of government. however businesses that use bitcoin and agencies that want to spy on bitcoin are a separate layer and we should treat the protocol vs users(humans/businesses/government) separately.

as long as the protocol is not messed around with, im happy.
as long as government rules open up the ability for companies to transact openly and honestly, im happy.
as long as governments rules dont limit users interaction and choices im happy.
as long as governments truely punish those who truly deserve punishment, im happy.

but we all know the governments agenda is not the last 3 things.
governments plans are about making their group of friends rich and keeping common people at arms length.
whether its by limiting average user spending amounts whilst allowing big business partners to do large bulk purchases or by regulating out the competition

but one thing is for sure, if governments think they need to be involved, it shows that bitcoin is not a short term thing that will disappear. or they would even waste their time on it

Yes, I do agree this philosophy has some valid points. Allowing the Bitcoin Foundation and experts to work with regulators could give Bitcoin enough breathing room by making them assume they can control it. My point is this is arguable and I can also see that such assistance can enlighten them as to the dangers of Btcoins sovereignty and expedite their attacks.

Either way, I believe it to largely be an academic question because in all practicality there will be enough consultants and experts who believe that working with regulators is the best approach and this cannot and should not be stopped.

seems like op is high, but i get him :))

That is also kind of a double edged sword. Educating them can all at once alleviate fear and head off ham handed regulation attempts and also encourage both as they come to realize how powerful the idea of bitcoin really is. Classic catch-22 in so many ways.

Awww, son-of-a-B!+<#!!!

I just found out the government read this thread. Way to go OP, now they know everything!

I just got off the phone with government he is now monitoring this topic.

Roflmao. OP is trolling everyone so hard. Really, "Doth", "Hath". Lmfao. Keep this thread for the archives, Pure Gold.

Tell them nothing.

Agents of the Law: Ask them if you are being detained, and then walk away.

Representatives of the People: Vote for the good ones.

Government is NOT your master, they are the servants of the people.

They claim to be. But servants cannot tax, draft or imprison their masters.

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This is the reason why it does not matter what 'anyone' 'tells' the government about Bitcoin. There is more then enough information for any party to learn massive amounts about Bitcoin without anyone giving them a shred of information.

I would dispute that this would be considered to be a double edged sward. The fact that Bitcoin is open source and worked on by many people allows everyone to try to find exploits in the code, and any such exploits be fixed

OP is right .At least , You guys should realize that big brothers and companies are not fun of bitcoin.
The idea behind bitcoin is totally disobey their will . They see bitcoin as enemies . Bitcoin/Crypto world will lose the battle by underestimating them

THe thing that first caught my attention that BTC would be something that I would want to use is the fact of the anonymity of it.  That and the USA would and should have no jurisdiction on how it is spent I.E. Gambling/Donations/Purchases  but seems that even though you are not gambling with USD funds, the great states of America still make gambling with BTC illegal??? <---- how is this just?

This is a bit silly as 99% of fiat is digital and on traceable ledgers that are openly shared with the FBI/NSA/and other investigators. Bitcoins pseudonymous nature does make it more difficult for them vs 99% of fund transfers.

Is this the real Gavin?  Maybe someone hacked his account.  I didn't expect that he had a sense of humor.  Too much stress to still be funny.  can anyone confirm?

That's Gavin. He is a funny guy. He has some good ones on the foundation website also.

You have the right to remain silent anythin you say can and WILL be used AGAINST you in the court of law.......

This is a right that many people very stupidily dont pay attention to the keywords... you must always always flex  your right of silence and  use it;... if all else fails and you are in sticky situation with gov't lawyer up quick and let him do all the speaking for you

I would say that satoshi may have walked away when you talked to the CIA because with the CIA involved, there was a much greater chance of him getting doxxed, which he clearly did not want.

As you are implying (via sarcasm), one major feature that Bitcoin has that has caused it success (and will continue to cause success) is the fact that it is 100% open source, so that anyone, including the government, can see, and test it. This allows for anyone to attempt to advance it's features and useability

He is being sarcastic. He is trying to get across a point that having bitcoin be open source is much better then it be closed source and the government not have access to information about bitcoin

Or maybe I just ate too much peyote one night (and, happily, decided to read bitcointalk instead of write some code).

(and for the humor-impaired: NO, NOT SERIOUS. Everybody knows I don't eat peyote, I spend my money on hookers and blow (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6652.msg98168#msg98168).)

At least you didn't code all night. I can only imaging the errors that would introduce. lol

WE HAVE TO YELL BECAUSE OTHERWISE I CAN'T HEAR YOU THROUGH THE 'SERIES OF TUBES' THAT MAKE UP THE INTERNET.

But what about the hat?

IT IS EAZ MAN. GAVIN IZ A BELIEBER.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil_hat


http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/68/686624b124626083ecc635056db69f3240a06e6f9f4504e7b25fb16d9244bb6d.jpg

I think that gavin can be officially be added to the short list of people who are able to successfully troll the trolls who do not have a good understanding of Bitcoin related concepts.

Slightly off topic - the OP of the thread you posted to said that you actually gave a presentation (I always thought it was a more of a interview type meeting about bitcoin)....do you potentially have the ability to show this presentation, or would "you need to kill me if you told me"

I say spend it all on hookers and blow, then waste the rest.

Just make sure you avoid those Aluminum Foil Hats..turns out they are actually a conspiracy by the government to better be able to read your mind.

More info:
http://www.howtogeek.com/114037/researchers-prove-tin-foil-hats-boost-receptivity-to-government-signals/

If you want to hold a conversation with government agents about bitcoin you should probably be dropping peyote buttons and indeed insist that they the government agents too are taking peyote ... or else it's essential essence will be missed completely and they would just never "get it".

Don't think they need any info to be told when you are shouting them at the top of your lungs in the most sophisticated, seductive and pervasive surveillance tool to ever grace the history of mankind - the internet.

Best part is most people think they are more anonymous then being offline.

You can't make this stuff up.

Look, it's a tradeoff. If you want some level of mass adoption, you are going to have to accept some degree of govt oversight. You always have the option to opt out by staying underground, not paying btc related taxes etc

People are all for freedom and equality until they have to pay the price for it. Only those willing to really understand either and their requirements deserve to enjoy the privileges.

Well to be fair the places that bitcoin is being discussed and information about bitcoin can be found are not exactly the most difficult to access websites around (provided the country you are accessing it from is not trying to censor the internet - china-)

OP says: don't give the government any information about BTC, yet he posts claiming to have 30 BTC that he doesn't know what to do with:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=828210.msg9254554#msg9254554

I think it would be perfectly reasonable for the OP to not want the government to get in Bitcoin's "business" if he has such a large amount of bitcoin, however he severely misunderstands the concept of open source as anyone can see pretty much anything about bitcoin

ok.. well if you are in the usa yelling out you are insane could get the #obala swat team raid to confiscate your guns.

so instead just say you are concerned about how the government exploits usa citizens through abusively taxing their citizens.

 Plot twist, gavin is satoshi and never really left. Or maybe gavin is CIA and satoshi is gavin so was satoshi talking to satoshi this whole time O.O

 boom

... compromise is the language of losers, cop-outs and generally failure.

Give or not information , you will get caught one day, which is not difficult.

I LOVE LAMP!

No, I think he makes a good point. Compromise is a way for everyone to get some of what they want; it should be a way that everyone can "win"

The compromise is allowing their currency to compete with bitcoin.



Yes, except for php which is notoriously difficult to secure. However, LAMP makes for a good solution stack for many CMS applications.

This is something the US government generally does allow.

It does however require that users of both currencies play by the same rules.

I don't see much consistency in their ability to follow their own rules.
The Fed doesn't like competition, and thus will shutdown and steal from anyone who tries and competes: DGC, egold, liberty dollar, liberty reserve.

The main reason Bitcoin has made it this far without them shutting it down is because they cannot accomplish this task so easily at this stage.

The operators of all of the currencies in your above examples were breaking aml/kyc rules and as a result were not following the same rules that the dollar needs to follow and were shut down accordingly

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