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15 BTC Winnings in just over 24 Hours on PrimeDice.

No bots, no special software, just deposit into PrimeDice, enter your risk, timeframe, and bankroll size into my custom Excel Worksheet, and let Autobet do the rest!

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I'll be selling the guide including the Excel Worksheet - which calculates your strategy,  bet size, payout factor, and bet size increase- on a Single Release - limited number basis, price based on the number of reasonable offers.

Orders will be fufilled/sent all at same pre-set date and time... So buyers can use the guide and not risk PrimeDice changing their code.

Please note in order to reasonably profit from my guide you need a bankroll of at least 4-5 BTC to withstand the swings in loss/win streaks.

Lastly, no this is not Martingale.

Feel free to ask any questions!

CD

Price?

How much are you selling it for?

Price will be based on number of copies sold... Based on the time I put into programming the Excel Strategy Worksheet.

But ideally I'd like to make 10-15 BTC, so if there are 10-15 buyers at 1 BTC that would be the price. If 6-7 people bid 2 BTC Id limit the number of copies to that.

Thanks for your interest!

CD

There is no "winning" strategy in dice or bankroll that prevents loss. The house edge is 1% and no way to go around that. It is all luck whether you win or not. The OP obviously just got very lucky.

1. Every strategy is losing in the long term.
2. Any sell of "earn quick money now -guide" is fake, since the author could earn much more money by just doing it instead of selling some guide.


So: either EV- or scam (also EV-)

You could of course wipe out... House always has the edge.

But my sheet will calculate along the following:

If you have a bankroll of 2 BTC - You have a 1 in 2200 chance of winning 1.25 BTC Profit before busting using X size bet, X payout, X bet increase.

You adjust only the bankroll and bet size, it tells you the odds on all streaks.

CD

Is this a joke?

If you can make 15 btc in 24 hours , why are you selling this guide ? You're only a pathetic scammer ::).


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Why selling a winning strategy instead of taking advantage of it? ??? ::)

I left a negative feedback to the OP , and  I hope you users do the same ;).

1 More Hour of Playing. I guess Im just Really Really Lucky ;)

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Im pretty curious of what stunna would say about this.
MAke some for Win88!

Negative Feedback? Weve never done business.

Reporting you to mods regarding this. You post negative feedback because you simply don't like my post? You haven't been scammed, we've never done business. You haven't even seen my product.

I posted the house has an edge. And i advertised the product Im selling for what it is, it calculates odds of profiting within a streak before busting on X Bankroll.

PLEASE explain how this warrants negative feedback.

One more hour of playing by the way. Now Ive won 16.58 BTC in just 1 Day.

CD

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Like everybody is saying, why would you want to sell it if you can make 16 BTC in 25 hours..? I played in betting sites lot more. Everyone knows that none of the strategy would be always wining. You'll lose everything at some point if you're unlucky. There is no guarantee that you'll always make profit.

So get the **** out of here, only the newbies will fall for it. FYI, if there is anything available like you say, then I would willingly post all the methods directly instead of selling it. Why the hell should I have to BEG others to buy it If I can earn more by betting..?!!

SCAMMERS

*SLOW CLAP*

Ok... No longer for sale.

Please keep an eye on NicholasCra1 on PrimeDice. Ask in the primedice chatroom too. Ive been active.

Thats my username. Ill play again tomorrow. Off to sleep.

CD

16.58 BTC in 1 Day on AutoBet... Ill sleep well tonight! ;)

Just to answer your question.

Why not?  I will still use it. The strategy works. Selling it doesnt void the mathematics Ive put together.

I put 10+ hours of work into the coding. I simply thought it was worth something in terms of a betting product.

Im not claiming it is a sure win, I wont reveal more than I played in rounds of a specific size bankroll. 80% of the time I cashed out 2-4x deposit. 20% bust.

Which is why I stated... Dont buy unless you have 4-5 BTC to play with. It requires a bankroll.

No matter. Its no longer for sale.

CD

Thanks for your answer and sorry if I seemed offensive: didn't mean to, I only was a bit skeptical.

No worries you weren't offensive. I think other people saying Im scamming is a completely premature and unwarranted considering they haven't seen the product, nor done business with me.

Have a good night.

CD

If there was any strategy that worked long term, people would be millionaires and dice sites would shut down. Even the dice site owners agree, there is no strategy which works over a long time.

Good luck ;) , I really like your post and I left you feedback because you're a scammer . I would like re-ask you again:

- if you can make 15 btc in 24 hours , why are you selling this guide ? You're a pathetic person , have a nice day.

redsn0w

Stunna would welcome anyone to use any strategy on PD, as there is no strategy for you to overcome the house edge. OP won 15 btc not because of a working strategy, but because he is lucky today.

Then ... close this thread  ::)


It is not necessary to see or read  your guide , I left you a feedback because you are selling it and you didn't want to answer to my question.

If you got big win,
better share it with free.
Then you will receive an appreciation if your strategy is success.
I'm sure they will tip you  ;D

We are big forum community

A family , very very big family  8)

I did answer your question. Please read thread.

Secondly, this is not a moderated thread, so I am unable to close the thread.

Regards,

CD

Since you're all talk and you claim to have created a +EV system lets do this, 1 BTC wager on each side. I put up 1 BTC you do the same. Dooglus or any trusted escrow holds them. Dooglus, the dice and gaming expert looks at your code and posts his findings. If true you win my coin and a big ego. Otherwise we prove you had nothing to sell, we're lying about you're offering and thus in essense...a scammer.

Let's go OP, put your money where your mouth is.

Search the button "Lock" at the bottom page in the left corner.

In fact, you should be able the lock the thread yourself. The "lock topic" button should be somewhere in the bottom left corner.

What  a profitable strategy it would be. I guess that you place your bet in the best timing, isn't it?

I doubt he will be answering what strategy it is, or what it isn't.

Inspect element?

Why are you even selling your 'idea' ?

Leaving negative trust. :/

Any vouche copy?
Would like to test it ;)

I'm pretty sure you won't do that though.

Also, why would you say "...and not risk PrimeDice changing their code." ??

Thats the question he hasn't answered yet. He might mean that their exist a flaw in the code. But I doubt that would be the case, because if it did, he would not be coming open with it.

Decided to watch a little breaking bad before hitting the sack. Played a bit more. Still lucky.

17.83 BTC

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CD

Couldnt resist. Passed 100 BTC Wagered!

Now 18.45 BTC Profit.

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Is this your username  ?


http://pd3.co/u/NicholasCra1


a lucky guy.

Yes I posted it earlier and its in the photos.

And don't you mean a lucky "scammer" like you called me in Trust?

Yes sorry , a lucky scammer guy . I forgot to add it.

Sorry for scamming you. Id like to make good because Im an honest person. How much do I owe you?

CD

Do you really need a bankroll of 4-5 BTC or can this be scaled down (with lower bets ofcourse) to minimize risk?

Nothing , enjoy your 18 btc :).

Well, I think he is trustworthy, his stats talks for himself, he is at 18+ BTC now.

It doesnt mean he is trustworthy :)
It means the strategy works, but might be short term profits.

Job well done on primedice mate .. thumbs up  8)

-beta1

i thin thefrog made a calculator about losses and all of this

and it was free!!!

So if he makes it for sale again, well you buy it?

I can confirm , you're a  lucky  scammer guy. Why are you selling it if you can make  ~18 BTC in 24-30 hours ?

This is insane....


But you were the first  that  has sent me a pm not me...

correct,why do you sell it if you make 18 btc daily

you want 0.01 for this ?? lol just give it free if you are already going rich everyday!

   .... and now @CryptoDigitals :



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I spent 10 plus hours making my programmed worksheet.

Im not obligated nor should be expected to give it away for free. People get paid for hard work. Why hate because of that?

Just saying.

CD

This is my thread. Im the one who won 18.5 BTC. You GTFO.

Lol

CD

Just the way it works here every time.. ;)

Somebody wants to sell something that might look fishy, gets accused and so on..
Whether it's true or not.

You can see this every day.

So why this thread is still opened ? Please close it :

i think CryptoDigitals understand that it is no chance to win everytime. BUT he have a strategy ( calculated his own strategy that gives 80-90% win, other 20-10% is luck).
He knows that he will not win all time. Because he is selling his calculated data, to know people in which stake, raises and bets they will have more chances to win.
I think he is not a scammer, but he must say to people that his calculated strategy will not work for all people, all time, with all time profit.

Welcome to the forum , Sparazzi  :

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Correct.

I was very clear, its a strategy. The house still has edge.

But its a very very very good strategy.

I was also clear that only those with 4-5 btc to play with should use it, because you need a decent bankroll to make it work.

PS. My girlfriend has her Masters in Mathematical Economics. She did help a bit. I should buy her something nice. ;)

CD

I think you didn't wanto to reply:


Why are you selling it if you can make  ~18 BTC in 24-30 hours ?


This is insane  ::).

i think he is selling it, cuz he won't more risk on PD, its no risk selling strategy

I think you are implying something here RedSn0w. What is your problem? What did I do to you?

BOUNTY

Want 0.01 BTC? 100% FREE? All you have to do is click the Ignore Link on User RedSn0w in this thread.

Then simply PM me a screenshot that hes been muted.  Include your BTC address. Ill send payments over Thanksgiving Holiday when I have some downtime.

This guy is a real piece of work. Should be avoided.  Ignore REDSN0W

CD

Yes I did Snow.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=873818.msg9659480#msg9659480

Muted Now.

so the answer is  :


Then good luck with your sale :).

I'm sorry  and please don't be arrogant , it is not necessary. If you are honest I suggest you to send 1-2 voucher copies  to a trusted members .

Anybody who sells their 'winning strategies' are scums in my opinion.

Look man, I know you have good intentions and all but you're not going to garner any trust or BTC out of anybody on here; especially when you're wanting to charge such an exorbitant amount for a strategic plan on a game that still falls back to 90% luck & intuition.  Everybody already has their own methods that can easily allow them to 4x their deposits, so attempting to sell another one is just ludicrous.  

Regardless of how much work you've put into it, either share it freely with the community or don't share it at all.  Until then, the inflammatory and accusatory replies won't stop.  Also, do you really want to deal with the backlash of 15 people screaming at you that they want their 1 BTC back because they lost their entire bankroll, no thanks to your technique?

A lot of people have actually tried selling these strategies on the forum. But since not one is working always, they are not welcomed nicely.
Most of the strategies are derived from the martingale style. I have been observing bets by Nic and indeed its very similar to martingale, therefore there is always very high risk while betting. He might see luck in shrotterm, but its a losing strategy over long terms.

Let me see.. get dooglus here and give him your sheet, if he vouches that it works or at least that it worked 1 time you might get some credibility.

No matter what the strategy is, you will always in average lose the percentage equal to the house edge.
Unless Stunna has made a flaw in the implementation, which I seriously doubt.

THIS WILL NOT WORK!

hi
if you can do more demonstration and test of your system, I'm interested.

I like the mentioning of the "withstanding the swings", it gives the impression that there is a working longterm +ev dice strategy. Well played.

Well-played.

Let's see what he says.

Make sure to have your potential losses escrowed.

Mate, the scammer's silence tells it all ::)

I agree with redsn0w vouch copies should be sent.

that was checkmate

First off, I want to state that I don't think any strategy will yield a long term winning rate. 

But I'd just like to give a few of my thoughts here. 

I don't believe he ever guaranteed that if you bought the guide, you would automatically win 15 BTC.  He even admits that there's a chance of busting and that he himself has busted using it as well.

He stated that he had won 15BTC which was verified by http://pd3.co/u/NicholasCra1 if he is indeed the same user as the one that shows in 'his' screenshot and that he was willing to sell a guide that showed exactly how he did it. 

He did however claim that there was a 1 in 2200 chance that you would not reach 1.25BTC from a 2BTC bankroll which is impossible unless you are using exploits or cheating.  <--- This is the lie right here.

Had he not claimed this, I think it would have been fine selling his guide to players as long as he was upfront with everything (that it wasn't a longterm winning strategy and that it was still subject to going bust) and that he gave out accurate numbers.

A lot of people play dice as a hobby and it would have been at least entertaining to see what new strategy someone has come up with (although anything more than a few mB is overpriced in my opinion).

TL;DR :
Cryptodigitals designed a spreadsheet and strategy that has won him 15BTC.
Cryptodigitals allegedly spent quite a few hours designing this spreadsheet and would like to sell it for his work.
You are not guaranteed to win this and are more likely to lose at a much higher rate than what Cryptodigital suggests.
IMO, you should only buy this for entertainment and hobby purposes only.  Do not expect to get rich off this guide.

My Silence is called sleeping. You know... 8-9 hours a night. Ill review posts. But from what i can tell, espringe is asking for the product on escrow, plus I cover losses, when i can just continue to use it and win myself.

Sounds to me like he wants to play with the product I put hard work in on, and I assume 100% of the risk, cover his losses, and if he wins, the winnings he requires to prove the products 'validity' fully cover the price hes willing to pay for the sheet.

Well played.

As stated, there is always a house edge. There is always risk. I dont need his 10 BTC. I dont need any BTC for selling the worksheet.

The 18 BTC winnings are just a fraction of my BTC holdings. Im not desparate to sell.

CD

The example I provided which you are quoting was just a hypothetical to illustrate how it works. They were not actual figures calculated by the product. I believe I stated that "this is basically what it does" but never said "here is the strategy".

The product allows for the player to set his own "risk/reward" level. Based on playing style and bankroll".

I also never said I busted out. I said I play in rounds. Example: Deposit 1 BTC to play a session of rolls. It is possible to bust out on that session before hitting the target "quit and withdraw" target. But its not a 100% bust. If that happens, you move on to another round.

CD

The first quote does not give any indication that it was merely hypothetical and instead implies that this is what will happen if you buy the guide... which it can not possibly do.  This is very misleading to people.

It might be true that you have never 'busted' through your history of betting using this method, but are you saying that players who happen to buy this guide and follow the same strategy will never bust either?

I'm all for gambling for entertainment purposes, but I don't at all believe in preying on the sickness that sometimes goes along with gambling which involves gamblers' futile attempts to get rich quick. 

Well as I stated many many posts ago the worksheet is no longer for sale. I'd like to take a moment to clarify a few things, as in truth, if you read this thread, people have misquoted a few of my posts, missed answers I provided and then accused me of 'dodging' the question, and perhaps even I myself have not been 100% clear on a few items.

1.) I am not preying on the sickness of people with gambling problems. Honestly I didnt even give thought to the fact that people here might actually have that problem. I am well diversified in cryptocurrencies, The only other site in which I played/gambled was Moneypot, which I was able to walk away with very nice winnings. This was prior to Eric selling the site, since which I have not played.

2.) I only started playing PrimeDice on 11/21. My first few days I simply played with the faucet and a very small deposit. I was using very small bets, just to familiarize myself with the site, learn how it worked, ect.

3.) Truth be told, I'm fairly decent at math. Most people aren't. I am also a wiz at excel. I am however, which I regret, not a programmer, so my abilities are limited - for instance I am not able to make bots or what not, beyond a simple macro recorder - which wouldnt do much good here.

4.) Based of a lot of very small betting/gameplay over 2 days I put together figures on wins and losses. I used the readily available data on PrimeDice's site - the odds/payout window - to construct a fairly complex Excel Workbook - which uses multiple tables/sheets which have relational properties, and use formulas to simply calculate "odds" over "periods".

5.) I stated very early on that PrimeDice will always, I repeat ALWAYS have an edge. They should, they are a business and they should make money. But every casino in the world and I'm sure Stunna know, it's the players who play recklessly, the players who don't use solid strategies, the high risk takers, that make up and account for the majority of the site's or casino's profit. Blackjack is a perfect example - playing perfect blackjack in a casino will not result, at least over the long haul, in high winnings for the house, and if the player has a bankroll large enough to withstand the inevitable swings of luck and has the power to "walk away ahead" they CAN win.

6.) The worksheet I created is not a cheating product. Its something anyone could put together. All it does is allow the user to enter in their bankroll amount (total) - their desired "session" bankroll, which is a fraction - 1/3, 1/4, 1/5 - of the total bankroll - simply how many sessions the player wants to have in his pocket to essentially "bust". (Session not total). It then allows you to simply enter in Bet Amount per roll, payout factor X, and what your "Increase on Loss/Win - Decrease on Loss/Win" amount would be. It then auto tables rolls - as streaks - and shows you the # of consecutive rolls from start that would wipe that session of play to zero.

7.) It also provides numbers on how to "minimize exposure" - so for instance, if you are starting with 1 BTC, and betting 100 Satoshi - how you could autobet - and use a payout factor that would return "Insufficient Funds" at as low of a loss possible. For instance, if you are using 2x Payout - starting with 1 BTC, you want the stop loss to be a loss that bets .01, .02, .04, .08, .16, .32, stop. Now with this play you have lost - .67 of your session. That is not "Ideal". Ideal would be to find your stop so your loss is at a much lower number. So you've lost a total of - just an example - .51 - so you've only stopped out at 1/2 loss.

8.) Next, it provides you with statistics on the odds of busting before x number of rounds. If you can create a gameplay strategy which basically says with X bankroll on this session, using X strategy, you with have X chance of busting out completely out in a session of X rounds. Now if you know what your return is over p/x where p is profit over x number of rounds, you can make better decisions on how you want to play your hands.

9.) Finally, the worksheet is not a holy grail. It is nothing more than a calculator. It doesn't integrate into PrimeDice or act as a bot in any way. I played all my rounds using the AutoBet feature - adjusting as I played.

10.) It's still a work in progress, I'm actually updating a few things now. And honestly, I have no doubt that if I were to continue to play forever... I would eventually meet -EV and lose all winnings. Because the house always has it's edge.

All that said - I still believe there are 2 types of players. Smart players, and not so smart players. Smart players have the edge over not so smart players, and the house has the ultimate edge over all. But the house makes most of it's winnings from the latter half of the two types of players; giving the very smart players a notably higher chance to see a positive ROI before busting out.

Hopefully this information helps. I was simply offering the worksheet for sale as a tool - and I stand corrected, you are right - I should have been more forthcoming that it is only a tool, and not in any way a sure fire way to win. I put a lot of work into it, and lets be honest, time is money, if someone wanted to buy it I was - at an earlier time, willing to sell. But I can see now that these types of products should be kept to ourselves and not shared or sold. Because someone will buy it, and bust out, and then be angry, and that's not what I am looking to have happen.

I play for fun. But I also find it entertaining to play well for fun.

CD

Thank you.

Let me help you put it in a bright color to warn people off.

There is no "winning" strategy in dice or bankroll that prevents loss. The house edge is 1% and no way to go around that. It is all luck whether you win or not. The OP obviously just got very lucky.

I would say I had for the time I played - and I plan to play more so only time will tell - luck on my side.

Very lucky? I'm not that special. ;) I won a nice sum on MoneyPot as well, so I find it hard to believe that time and time again I am a "VERY lucky" - rather, I know how to minimize risk, know when to walk away, and when to call it quits.

I guess I have self control which many gamblers lack.

CD

That was a very thought out and insightful post.  I'm very impressed with how you handled yourself and responded like a true gentleman.  

It's nice to see people putting in this much thought and calculation into the crypto gaming scene.  I love it :).  

Congratulations on the big win.  Best of luck to you.

Best of luck to you indeed, also a kind and humble guy. Rained the whole PD community. Thanks for sharing the wins !   -beta1

This guys legit, hes gaining BTC like its no ones business, and hes tipping a lot of people

Hey man, how much did you won today?

Nicholas congrats on your winnings.
-dagol

currently he's up 20btc

Pretty good, already know the betting strat tho, theres luck ofc tho, hopefully he doesnt get raped with the losing streaks

I am aware of a lot of strats too, but you also need to be lucky. Only then you will win long term.

Yea up to 20 BTC Profit.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING BONUS

Sign up on PrimeDice using my affiliate link: https://primedice.com/?ref=NicholasCra1

After you pass level 10/40 I will tip you .02 BTC!

Pass 20/40 and I will tip you an additional .03 BTC!

I will check my affiliate report weekly. If you reach a given level also feel free to PM me here.

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Kind of funny, that after wagering 100 BTC you were up 18 BTC, and now after 200 BTC wagered, you are just up 2 btc more..
Definitely looks like a risky strat

hes at 23

That is fishy.
I mean the op promises 15btc return from 10btc.
Now after 200bt he just goes up by +/- 5btc.

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If you read the thread, you will see why, i explained above what happened.

When did I "promise" anything?  Please point me to where I claimed a user would absolutley - as in I PROMISED - win any specific amount.

Lol all these doubters, brutal

YOur're Just showing off here...

How 'bout Beat HufflePuff wagered ?
To get more attention

Good luck ,sir

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good lord

Oh look he already back down to +20...luck is coming back and evening out...bet he'll bust tonight. Just quoting for fun later to laugh at it :)

Finishing at +18 overall.

Well he dropped to 16 yesterday too from 18. So swings can be expected.

Update: He is now at 16, so he should stop now, when he is ahead.

you're basically selling a strategy that loses more then it wins, the actual result over a short spell doesnt confirm anything. Unless you can hack primedice or math itself you will lose in the long run.

I will only believe this guy if he give me 1 whole btc.

Give you 1 whole BTC for what?

He is now at 12 BTC profit, and has lost a lot since morning.

Looks like he is doing well now. Back to over 16 BTC.

I have been observing the bets on Primedice, it does look like a martingale to me. You can also see that from the High roller bets on Primedice. Why did you refuse it in the op?

what is his username on pd ?

He mentioned it in the first page. Its
NicholasCra1 . He is up 18.5 BTC now.

Seriously, I'm good at math than anyone can except. When I found a strategy that made my 0.004 into 0.67 BTC in 999dice, I was day dreaming. I was not dump to do flat bets. Everything is martingale and increase by 100% is the worst case. So I have tested tons and tons of methods to find a good one with my highly modified martingale betting strategy. So in the last I used one of my methods and turned 0.004 to 0.67 BTC.. Then I was day dreaming that making atleast 0.5 BTC per day here would make me rich soon. But everyone knows I was wrong. I relaised it after losing 0.3 BTC.. But even then, I didnt stop, I math(ed) and tried lots of methods. Atleast I realised it and cashed out 0.3 BTC after losing another 0.07..

So I takes a lot of time to realise that none of the methods is suitable for long term. Everything is luck, like 99% luck and 1% your skill. Hope the OP will realise it soon. Better he stop before gets busted.

"ONE WHO CASH OUT BEFORE HE LOSE IS SMART - BUT NO ONE KNOWS WHEN THEY'LL LOSE"

Everything is PURE LUCK  :)

That is absolutely true. He is now at 21 BTC, and since he had a swing from 12 to 21, its pure luck.

I fucking hate people who sell PDFs. That is all.

He is not selling a PDF, but selling a strategy to win. He is up 24 btc now.

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You were down to 12 today, so it certainly isn't a failproof strategy.

I see no difference between the 2 lol

Ive stated time and time again I am not selling anything. Please read the thread. After people were upset I rethought it.

Secondly, its not a 'strategy' but a tool that creates betting strategies.

CD

Haha bruh,thanks for the 0.001 tip u gave me,i made 0.003 but hten lost it with UR STRAT.I did the maths xD.anyways,if u have big enough bankroll or do all the maths correct ur good to go.

Sorry to hear you lost the BTC I gave you. :(

How do you achieve those amount ?

Hope you will keep your luck till end of time  ;)


Can you share what tool are you talking about ?

I dont think this is a Wonderful Strategy.. But sure it would have started from very low value and then reaching the peak after many loss streaks.. According to this pic, He's increasing his bet by 74.xx% after every loss.. This is really a very bad strategy with pretty high risk rate. He's got lucky until now. Atleast his bankroll supports him before he gets busted. Dont know when it's going to end.

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He actually hit a couple of 5 BTC wins while playing, and one loss was all that was needed to get him lose anything. I say the 5 BTC bet atleast 2 times, so its obviously a risky strat.

How much did you win all in all today?

Today... Roughly 14 BTC. 18 BTC yesterday. Total about 33 BTC now.

These 5 btc ones were yolo's and not his real strategy.

Profit:
33.17 btc
http://pd3.co/u/NicholasCra1

You will lose in the long term, you should stop.

Indeed! And if you don't see that you are retarded. Feel free to put some btc in this worthless thing and then feel free to waste all your remaining btc on primedice... We warned you. I make some bets fot fun but I know on average I lose, there's no winning strategy ..

Woah 33btc of profit.

can someone tell me how high my bankroll needs to be to win that kind of amount.

Id assume getting 33 btc you`ll need 1 btc minimum to start with right? or is this all based on faucet and stacking from there?

statistically you have biggest chance to win when you will change profit peb bet to 2.2 and 110% increase bet when you loose.

Sooner or later there will be 15< looses and you will bankrupt. So best strategy is never start

AKCoinMiner was up 800btc and ended up -800btc. Your strategy might seem foolproof now but it will fail and thats a 100% guarantee

Oopsy... T.T how can i buy it?

ITT: teenagers discover gambling

I lol'ed

There is no winning algorithm, remember that.

Since you have made 15 coins using this, make more for yourself instead of exposing your "Awesome method"

In any way good luck in selling your method.

He is now at 33+ btc.

Hes not even selling, too many haters

...in which case, this has only turned into a "Look at how much BTC I won gambling!!" thread, which, if everybody that won a decent amount did, there'd have to be a specific subforum for it.

So ... do you want to sell this "guide" or not ?  If the answer is not I think you should close this thread.


Good luck ,


redsn0w

Still too many reds instead of greens.

What do you think?

Yeah you won big but how about us? We will be forever experience those reds.

This is risky bet anyway. But make sure it don't hit the max bet amount or empty bankroll.

Anyway great works.

Dont follow it!

If Something is too Good to be True, it Probably is!

Damn thats quite a few red streaks, but umm no one answered the previous questions on how much the bank roll needs to be.

I can probably say its like 3 btc minimum needed right.

I'm still proud of this guy, he shows that dreams can become true

+1 :D

Absolutely :D I'm still convinced of his short term strategy..
Seems to work with a decent bankroll

BTW He's increasing 57% @Guy that said 74% LoL

May you please explain why statistically this is the vest method?

What is the difference with classic martingale methos ( 2x multiplier and double bet amount on loses) or other ones (just like OP ones for example)?

he is lost.... now; his profit is only  1.14 BTC

its that 1.5x

her ALLIN.  :'(

BAD luck bro

He should stop now, that he is still profitable. If he doesn't he will lose that too. This proves that no strategy is good in long term.

where are you NicholasCra / CryptoDigitals
We miss how you chattering about your winning  :D :D

It seems you lost BTC 29   :'(
better you donate some to FeeDing the homeless (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=860487.0)
to fix your bad luck and you gain some good deed  ;)

He is actually up 1 BTC, so he is still profitable :)

Can't believe he lost 32 btc back. If I was him I would stop at 20 btc.

Honestly I feel happy that guy lost his btc again  :D He's not even worth, in general he' still lucky
he bet + 1000 btc, on average he should have lost + 10 btc

I think primedice has a little lower edge than 1%, so that should be less.

He had to rain more in my opinion, karma helps alot.

Wow what a story.

I just read the first page and this one.

up to 30btc then go to "zero"???!?

Wtf man... :'(

I have seen worse. People gone to 300 btc and back to 0. 

I'm afraid I wouldn't be a good candidate to escrow that bet. Because I would want to take part in it too.

No way has OP created a +EV betting system in Excel.

It already failed and the op has lost most of his coins.  He is now at a profit of only 1 BTC.

No. As wikipedia puts it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martingale_%28betting_system%29#Intuitive_analysis):

PD has a house edge of 1% now.

During the early stage of PD3, there was a jackpot feature that brought house edge to 0.91%.

How is anyone surprised?

What is more surprising to me, that OP himself knew that his strategy is not profitable in the long run, but still contuniued to push it nonetheless.

Greed? Delusion of being a genius and "cracking the code"? Or the combination of both?

I will say it was greed more than getting a feeling that he "cracked the code". Its because, if he went from 18 to 10, and then back up , till 33. He should have realized after the first swing that it can definitely fail(specially since the strat looked like martingale). After being 33 in the green, he should have stopped, and be proud of defeating a -EV game.

told ya if you kept playing you'd lose it back, you might aswell just share the system and quit while ahead before it gets ugly.

He already shared it: he uses the built-in martingale bot.

That just makes him look more stupid here. Its because, he posted that he programmed the bot to use an advanced strategy which was +EV as it only lost 20% of the times. And if he had some brains, he should have known that martingale has never succeeded for anyone in the long run. Once he was +33 BTC, he should have stopped.

To play devil's advocate here, people also said he should stop at +15 btc, but he didn't, and ended up winning twice as much. It's easy once he has actually lost to say "ha, what an idiot, he should have stopped while he was ahead", since you have the benefit of knowing when he was actually at his peak. At the time, no one knew.

Yes, thats true maybe he should have. Staying ahead could also mean a profit of 1 btc :) , and would have been a good move to stop then also. But, my point is, that if the strategy was martingale all along, then why risk so much of a bankroll, when it is obvious that martingale fails all the time over a long time.

indeed and I thought every user  have their way to win
have a good method but always got greedy that will make you always lost too

Why bother gambling if your expected return is negative. Sometimes you get lucky and profit more than you should, sometimes you lose. Being up 33 btc, his decision to keep playing should be the same as his decision to play when he was up 0 btc, past results don't matter in the future.

Not taaking sides, but when I visit a casino, and win 5000$. I don't keep playing to win again. I become happy with it, and go out for a party.

nah i like your way

People gamble for the fun of it. The EV is only applicable for the long run, if you gamble for the short term (as most people do) then you can potentially make money.

You also have the social aspect of conversing with others at the table (or in bitcoinworld in the chatroom)

On the other hands, stopping using -ev strategy is usually a decent move to make.

Well I assume you still go back to that casino at a later date though, right?  :D

The fact you have gone to 33+ BTC and down to .6 in profit shows there is no true working strategy. Really for everyone you go up and down the problem is when to cash out and stop for good because in the long term EVERYONE will be down no matter what strategy you use.

im just going to assume based on dooglus response on his neg feedback on your trust, that this is really sketch.

he even provides a image link to a martingale format..

Just a quick question: How many of you think the house woukd build and share with the players a winning bot?

hes -0.91 now!Be CAREFUL GUYS!

Thats bad. I just hope he doesn't end up like AKCoinMiner, who went from -200 to +800, and then finally back to -812. He had a great run on some other sites as well, but ultimately lost most of his gambling funds on primedice.  Haven't seen him much lately though.

Another reason why continuing was the huge -ev is that he lost all "credibility" he was trying to sell. If he was still up 10, 15, 20, 30 btc or so, he could in theory still sell that to some greedy and delusional individuals out there, maybe not for 10 btc, maybe for 1 or 0,1, but still.

I seriosly have no idea what was he thinking. Its easy enough to emulate the outcome of the martingale approach to see how fast it fails.

Profit today: -1.26

I told you to stop, you have lost 13.000$ any comments about your strategy?

This doesn't seem to be working out for him.

Didn't seem like a strategy, just greed and luck.

I guess he must be thinking, that if he could come back from 12 to 18 and then to 33.  , then he can make a comeback from -1 to positive.

Or his strategy has been flawed and he's not going to be able to do that.

Most of his profits come from the long losing streaks. If he was base betting at 2.821x (from picture posted) and almost doubling his bet size, then after every loss, the next win would get him a big profit. So a win at 1 BTC bet, would give him a profit of around 0.6-0.8 BTC. If he loses that, then the next win at around 2 BTC would give him a profit of around 1.7ish BTC. I guess his bets , when he was at 12 BTC profit, had these long streaks, and that is what got him back. But only 2 more losses, were all that was needed,  for his next bet to be 6 BTC and 12 BTC.
So unless, he takes those risks again, and get lucky. He will still continue to lose more.

Also, maybe, he should have stopped at 33 BTC and probably started with a new account :) , so as to atleast sell this strategy and make some profit out of people, who would have blindly believed in him.

I don't think anyone will buy the strategy, especially after a couple of guys have explained there can never be a winning strategy in a pure-luck game with -EV.

Well you never know. People who are new to gambling, think that a martingale is a fail safe method to make money, unless they actually lose to a bad streak. They night believe in it, and might have bought it, but for a lesser amount of course.

Did I remember to mention... scam?

What scam? he didn't sell a single copy.

That sounds a lot like martingale.

Yes, It was martingale. And for some reason he claimed, that it wasn't a martingale system .

Wow, so the chances of him becoming +ve again is quite low.

I can't believe he lost it all again . Did he lose it all on one big bet? or multiple bets?

He was following a system. So, multiple bets most likely.

Martingale blackhole just got out of control and devoured him :D

I got greedy, strayed from the system completley, rollercoastered up and down between 12-35 BTC profit a few times, chased losses and busted.

I should have stuck with what got me to 35 BTC at one point, but greed took over (as it can).

Its ok, Ill get back. :)

CD

I also rained out a whole lot of tips to players :) So hopefully when Im back in the high territory I shall make it rain again!

CD

I also did a number of 10 BTC Single Rolls, I think 2 or 3 at 2x

Won all of them. For those that saw/watched. That was a bit crazy haha.

CD

Please dont forget me if you do that :P.

Still implying "his system" is EV+. Pretty delusional.

I hope you do realize that your strategy doesn't really give you an advantage against the house. It is more likely for you to go further down than to go back up even if you follow your system.
Anyway good luck to you.

Understood, and I agree. I plan on playing for a bit, likely next week, and will then post my spreadsheet with auto calculations to share (updating it before I do with next round of gameplay). Not selling, just sharing. It doesnt integrate into PD at all, all it does is visualize betting strategies, took me a while to get the rounding patterns correct that PD uses, sometimes its Round Up, sometimes Round Down, and it does this at different decimal points depending on the variable its calculating.

Having this down really helps show the odds of "At 2.5 X Payout what are the odds of rolling 5000 rolls before hitting a streak that would bust to insufficient funds". It also factors back into the equation average per roll winnings into your BankRoll.

It works well when you use betting strategies that have a bust level of 1 in 800,000 rolls or greater. The higher the odds of busting, an odd multiplier comes into play I have yet to figure out.

Meaning if you played a AutoBet round where based on bankroll you could survive 25 consecutive losses based on starting bet, increase on loss, and payout factor, etc - and that 25 loss streak had a 1 in 1,000,000 chance in happening - the same (at least from what I can tell) is not true for the same odds (1 in 1,000,000) where the streak is only 8 deep.

Meaning odds aside, you will fare better with a larger depth regardless of identical odds.

If you dont believe me, try this simulation:

BankRoll: 0.05
PayOut: 2.25 X
Increase on Loss: 110%
Starting Bet: 0.00000002

Under this scenario, the odds of busting according to my tables are you would bust at 20 Consecutive Losses. The Odds of that happening work out to an occurance rate of 1 in 2.17 Million Rolls. So with a 44% Chance of Winning on 1 Roll, the occurance odds of rolling 20 straight losses are 1 in 2,170,000.

Now that said running a second simulation, with a much shallower depth of busting, the same does not (at least from my experience) hold true.

BankRoll: 0.05
PayOut: 1.123 x
Increase on Loss: 800%
Starting Bet: 0.00000040

Under this scenario, the odds of busting according to my tables are you would bust at 6 Consecutive Losses. The Odds of that happening work out to an occurance rate of 1 in 2.17 Million Rolls. So with a 88.16% Chance of Winning on 1 Roll, the occurance odds of rolling 6 straight losses are 1 in 2,170,000.

However, the Second Scenario listed plays much riskier and will bust far sooner regardless of the math behind the rolls.

Unless my math is flawed... Feel free to chime in here if so.

CD

Your argument is invalid. :)

Every bet has its own chance of wining/losing.

The bet you make is nothing to do with the other you have made before.

You can lose 10 times in a row on a %90 winning chance game and believe me it can happen a lot more than 1/2900000 times.

Yes it will fail over a long time, but it will eventually happen. That 1 in 2.17 million might just happen in your first bet.
Better to just throw some dust bets, till you get a losing streak of 10, and then start with say 0.0001.
But even this fails easily. So in the end, its all just a gamble.

I agree with both of you that each roll of the dice is independent in and of itself from a mathematical standpoint. That the odds of rolling a 6th roll <10 out of 100 after 5 consecutive <10 Rolls (given youre playing a bet where you are wagering the dice will roll >10 out of a possible 100) is 10% in terms of chance, where the previous 5 rolls have no effect on the 6th roll at all.

But mathematically one can assume that certain patterns are unlikely to happen, such as the Monte Carlo Roulette Incident of 1913, where there were 26 rolls of consecutive black, and people lost millions betting red was bound to roll next.

But then again I dont believe an incident like that has happened since. While each roll of the wheel has roughly (factoring out greens or 0s) a 50/50 chance of rolling a red or black, 26 black has the same odds as any other pattern of 26 if pre-determined and bet on, 26 black in a row is astronomically unlikely.

But yes I agree, each roll is independent with no relation to the last roll of the dice. I would wager however you are statistically speaking more likely to see gains FIRST by betting on a 90% win wager using simple a basic Martingale strategy, than an immediate wipe out bust of say 10 consecutive 10% chance losses in a row.

CD

So at the end have you become rich ? anyone form the community have bought at least one copy of your amazing guide ? You're really amazing scammer.




Ps: I think you are scared from @dooglus or am I wrong ?

A player on Just-Dice rolled under 50.5 out of 100 a staggering 32 times in a row, using a provably fair roll system.

That is I think the least likely reported streak in gambling history.

See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=610339.msg7060900#msg7060900 for full details of the longest winning and losing streaks at 49.5% on JD.

It's possible your math is flawed, or that you didn't run the simulations for long enough.

But the one with the lower probability of busting will bust less often than the other one - kind of by definition of "probability".

I'm not really sure what your point is here - is it "math is wrong"? (because it isn't); is it "less probable things tend to happen more often than more probable things"? (because they don't); if it's "variance is a bitch" or "the 'large' in 'the law of large numbers' is bigger than I thought" then I agree with you on both counts. :)

Oh snap, 32 losses in a row. Guess I'm not going to be luck gambling any time soon  ;D

Don't buy this nonsense people. The seller may have been very lucky but that doesn't mean you are.

Someone else won 30 times in a row at 49.5%. Unfortunately it was probably a Martingale bot, and it bet only 320 satoshis on the first in the streak and 160 satoshis the other 29 times.

Achievement: probably the luckiest streak in gambling history
Total profit: 1.8 US cents' worth of BTC (0.00004960)

The seller hasn't been very lucky. See for yourself:

  http://pd3.co/u/NicholasCra1

Then at the end he was only a scammer  ::) , so are our feedbacks right ?

Read the post,  Hes not even selling it and hes pretty chill even though theres a bunch of dickheads like you

I don't know if he knew his system didn't work or not. It seems to me like he thought it did.

Is it a scam to sell a system that doesn't work if you don't realise it doesn't work?

http://pd3.co/u/NicholasCra1 is kind of cool - if you go there now you can see the numbers changing - he's playing at the moment.

Why does he have a negative profit? Withdrawed from the account or lost it?

Withdrawing doesn't affect profit.

If he didn't sell anymore this guide , why this thread is till  open ? I think he should close it (at least for save his dignity).

"If he didn't sell anymore this guide" Your dumb as fuck, jesus please help this retard

Are you serious ? or just kidding....

Just to confirm with everyone and once again make sure it's clear, I never sold anything. No money was exchanged. As soon as people seem put off by the idea that a strategy could even possibly exist, I withdrew the item for sale. So calling me a scammer, while certainly your right if that's your opinion based on this dialogue, seems like the wrong choice of words - as I have, at least as far as I know, not scammed or stolen from anyone.

Regarding the discussions above, and Dooglus pointing out a recent bet on a site which rolled a 50.5 30+ times in a row.

For the sake of argument, exclude "fair coins", in terms of equal odds going one way or the other. 50.5 on one side and 49.5 on the other - well it is far more likely - statistically speaking - to roll 10, 20, or even 30 consecutive 50.5 bets - than say a 90 10 split.

Betting a 100 sided dice will roll a 10 or under 30 times in a row. I'm sorry, but the odds are 10^30 - which is simply not possible.

Fair Coins with equal odds of heads or tales are not good examples to use to illustrate strategies in betting when the system in which the player bets offers far more options in terms of odds with corresponding payouts. It is not as simple as heads or tales, double your next bet, and move on.

That was simply my argument.

Back to some dice guys!

CD  ;)

Correction 1/10^30th Power - still astronomically unlikely.

Never fails to amuse me that people still try to find the approach to -ev games

Even the smartest of the man tries to beat the system, but is never able to :

/

The best way to profit is to not gamble at all

Thats not the best way to profit. Its the best way to stay where you are :)
To profit, you have to take the risk, and leave when you are ahead. And you obviously can't always profit.

This thread was posted on Nov. 24th and he had a profit of +18 BTC

IT is now december 4th and viewing his profile he has a profit of -1.9BTC

In other words... FAIL

Gambling is a sure way to lose your money. Why even bother with these websites?

Well the problem is that any reputable dice/gambling site will have a long term EV that is negative. TheOP is claiming to some howe beat the fairness of Prime dice (a very fair bitcoin dice site) which honestly not realistic.

lol this was entertaining

lol why don't you guys deposit 10k btc and play a 98% of winning and end up with 100 btc profit?

Because the max Bet and max of PD profit for one bet is only 20BTC.. ok =))