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Ladies / Gentlemen,

I have begun this thread to continue our discussion that we discontinued in the main UNO thread today...BTW anyone is welcome to join in...

Go!

i really think that the dispensories would be well served by getting into crypto. It will help alleviate the hostile banking environment perpetuated by the federal regulators.  It is very dangerous for them to carry around / have on hand that much cash.

I summed up what I had to add in this post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=527500.msg9723182#msg9723182

I don't like these discussions, and if you must know, I am completely bullshit.  That's right folks.  Despite being damned accurate and now proveably correct on hundreds, if not thousands of conspiracy-fact related assertions over the years, and before it was remotely ok to present alternative thoughs, my mind just doesn't work so well for memory or references or Roger's Rules of Order discussions.

I don't waste my energy 'proving' anything to anyone, and I've been right on the critically-important points regarding Humanity over the years a whole lot more than I've been wrong.

/troll

(Psst, ...I've left the discussion - YOU WIN!)

LOL, I agree, i don't try to prove anything either.

Somebody once said that there ain't no point in talking if there's nobody listening...

I have read that the pot dispenseries are unfairly targeted in jurisdictions where their activities are legal. It makes sense that owners of such legal establishments would be interested in crypto. Although it is interesting to find out that they are not versed on the subject.

I liked that mention was made of no dispensaries accepting bitcoin. I think this is a real issue. Not quite sure why this is, other than it is difficult enough to try to go about with cash in a legal manner. If you throw something into the mix that can bring about money laundering charges as well as what ever else they are feeling like tossing into the mix.

Weed is just a plant, that is what i don't understand. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act is the best place to start i think. Leaves me scratching my head anyway. How archaic are we? Prescription meds where the side effects range from bleeding out of your ass, insomnia, depression, kidney and/or liver failure. I have been told that they need to list the possible side effects even if it has been just one person who has experienced the claimed effect. It makes sense that they warn you it could happen if you do such a thing. None of those things have ever happened as a result of me smoking. Maybe i get a little depressed when i am out ;P

It isn't that i need it to survive, or function. It adds a little sparkle back into life though. Makes things "fun" again. That child-like sense of wonder and adventure that often times seems to die as we grow older. It lets me feel that again. I am not out there raping men and women, eating babies, or anything crazy. Plenty of sober non-drug using individuals do tons of horrible things. I think people like to blame drugs because it makes coping with that dark side of humanity that much easier. It can't be that monsters truly exist, it has to be external influence that drives people to do horrible things to each other. Often times that may be the case, although it is usually how one internalizes things that leads to such drastic outbursts of emotions, or displays of lack of any emotion for that matter. Shooting people in movie theaters, shooting up schools, what ever, joining jihadists, eating people, pick your poison. If smoking marijuana made you any more susceptible to any of those things i could certainly understand why there was such a push to keep it illegal.

I don't doubt that excessively doing or using anything is good. It is all about moderation. I wonder often times how many people have brain issues, imbalances in chemicals and other psychotic issues, and that is what drives them to drug use to begin with. It is easier to demonize use and victimize the user than it is to try to put your self in the shoes of another. To see things from a perspective that is outside of your own. Instead of there being a war on what makes people use drugs to begin with (hint hint, usually mental illness, past traumas, or other horrific things) there is just a war on drugs and the users who seek solace in their effects. If the drugs aren't being used for recreational reasons and are being consumed daily then the individual is medicating. I think that is part of the issue in understanding drug abuse. All different types of people do drugs for all different types of reasons. The ones that receive the most focus are the habitual users, which while there may be nothing visibly wrong with them, something is most likely driving them towards daily drug use. At least this is what my self reflection has lead me to believe. Who doesn't have skeletons? The lucky ones... If they have found a drug that doesn't destroy their bodies and minds, doesn't hurt another, and allows them to cope with their issues, who the fuck is anyone to tell them they can't do that? Whole thing seems pretty shitty imo.

I was watching the news today, another sensationalized news story of course, but the topic is something to consider. Kids dying from "designer" drugs that are legally for sale online. Ya know what doesn't kill your kids, well it might give them heart problems if they wind up eating tons of doritos or other munchies. Good ol' mary jane.

There is no winning, there is no losing, there was no argument. It is just fucked up how easily manipulated people are.

I've just popped in to say that 'side threads' like this are a fine way both of dealing with touchy subjects, and of keeping the main thread from being cluttered.

Mark (IndiaMikeZulu)

"Will the USMS Bitcoin auction on Thurs. 4th push Btc down?"

Speaking of Asset Forfeiture ...  I don't think there has been any jury trail nor conviction.  "Nevermind the details or facts" say the feds.  They offer deals you can refuse, and have 98% conviction rates featuring life long convictions.

In other wonders, please do not consume illegal substances, they are bad m'kay, and if the US.gov find even a gram of the stuff then they take all your stuff;)  

Then you will spend time in a private 'for profit' correctional labor camp, learn the trades of hooligans and the age old craft of gang violence -- even though 50% plus enter the gates as 'non violent offenders' (read 'druggies').  

And you will be in a multimillion dollar 'top security' facility featuring watchtowers, electrified fences, cameras galore and everyone's favorite ... body cavity searches ... said substances that will get you in the slammer are sold there too.  

[okay cool we got a thread if we need a spot to rant and rave]

  

Lol Woo, rant mode, on.  8)

No! You mean they purposefully create laws that they know people are going to break as a means of incarcerating individuals for a means of cheap labor? Poppycock! Or is it  :o ! That is the fucked part. Not only were you doing nothing harmful, but now you work for pennies on the hour, as though you were in China or something. Which is another thing that is pretty awful. The rampant use of more or less "slave labor" to make products and goods for the rest of the world. I guess as long as we don't have to actually see the slaves, it is cool? Well maybe that is the wrong way of looking at it. It is bound to be true that in some cases the opportunity to make a wage has provided a better life style for some people than they would have had had no outsourcing occurred. There is no reason we can't outsource work but make sure it isn't a thinly veiled form of slavery. Not that outsourcing is helping anything but it is going to happen one way or another. There is no reason good shouldn't come from it. Instead the same thing takes place. People selfishly bleeding others for their own petty gains. Bah! To hell with these sinners and heathens! lol

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felt good to write, but then i realize i'm arguing about weed on a bitcoin forum...

suffice to say i'm annoyed with some things said, but i'm really just here for the money.

@vector You shouldn't delete. My point is that crypto is finally the great equalizer in all of these matters. So long as there is electricity, there will be the ability to trade without interference from any entity...

I don't smoke, but know lots of people who do.  Smoker or not, we all function just fine in our daily lives.  I have witnessed numerous examples of friends as you described that lived a more fulfilling life due to cannabis.

As for conspiracy theories, if you've ever been or know anyone that has been picked up on a charge of having a joint on his or her person, then you know first-hand how hard it is to get out of the penal system. The system seems almost designed to keep people in slavery. Between all of the check-ins (that you can't get to b/c you lost your license to drive), the drug tests, the court fees, the probation fees, etc., it's almost impossible not to make a mistake / miss a payment and wind up in more trouble for violating than you were in to begin with!

Hi, just wanted to pop in here to get an important fact right. Benefector stated that "The pot of today is both much more potent in terms of *ucking up people's brain receptors permanently, many times more powerful than in the 60's, when the CIA started to make it a thing.".

For one, the CIA didn't make pot a big thing here, where 'here' is 'the Netherlands'. And second, and more importantly, having smoked grass on a daily basis for 20 years (stopped almost a year ago), I indeed have seen grass (some of it anyway, if you choose it) become much stronger. But it hasn't 'fucked anyones brain receptors up permanently" more then it used to. On rare occasions, adolescent males can become schizofrenic because of grass AND other factors. That has not increased, at least not here in Holland. There is good research being done here, as it is freely available and we're not as childishly afraid of grass here as elsewhere in the world.

So please accept this info from someone with good first-hand knowledge: stronger weed just makes you sleepier quicker if you choose to smoke the same amount, it does not fuck up any receptors any quicker that weed from 20 years ago.

Good info, thanks for checking out this thread.

My friends always told me that stronger weed makes you hungrier for more pizza and snacks!

 ;D

Also, are you a holder of $UNO?

Yeah, I hold 350kg atm.

Nice, thanks for supporting the coin! What other cryptos do you keep in your stable?

Well, NLG of course! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=554412.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=554412.0)

THE best country coin! 50+ merchants accepting, including offline merchants. Fair distribution. 1.7 billion coins to be created. Android wallet, iOS in the making. Check guldencoin.com.

Unfortunately we are being raped by clevermining fo quite a while now. They get all the low diff blocks.

Our dev has made a simulator for cryptocoin algo's to be tested, we are working with that now to find a proper solution. When the simulator is fully finished it will be released for all cryptos to use.

Besides NLG  I have some BTC because of cloudmining. I don't think BTC has a bright future though, just like AOL and MySpace didn't have, at least not in the long run.

Thanks for asking!

What coins do you hold?

I've got quite a few different coins. The usual suspects like BTC, PPC, DOGE, XJO, LTC, etc.

However, I have been most involved with the UNO community. The coin is over a year old now and has had a steady climb in value during that time. It survived a pump and dump by a whale, etc. Most of the community are HODLrs who are looking five years down the line...

There are some really interesting in-house trading options. You can check them out at http://tinyurl.com/UNO-EX There are also some very bright minds there who are interested in a true store of value as opposed to the regular pump and dumps. We see UNO as used for a store of value as opposed to a daily transactional coin. A savings tool if you will.

I'll have to check of NLG.

Thanks again for your support of UNO!

Yeah I see UNO that way too. I got into UNO because of daytrading BTC, UNO is the stable 'element' I daytrade againt. I really do think it has a rightful place in the crypto universe.

NLG has a different target: it must be a coin for daily use. The team is working really hard on that. Check the timeline of the achievements so far: https://timeline.guldencoin.com/ (https://timeline.guldencoin.com/)

Very impressive!

Lol now THAT is interesting to me! So without divulging too many of your trade secrets, how does that work? You play the swings on btc and wind up buying uno for longer periods of holding? I suck at trading, i am not looking to judge or criticize what and how you do it, just looking to gather as much info as i can from "real" people. Trying to learn!

Yeah, I'm interested to learn as well...

I agree with BitcoinCharlie, that's quite an impressive timeline!

So is NLG in essence a "national cryptocurrency", for use mostly (or only?) in Holland?

Interesting the part about the Guilder (in Dutch it seems it's "Gulden", sounds like it's etymologically related to, um, Gold :) that had been in use since something like 1252 -- until the Euro decided to assimilate it (and everything else it could in Europe).   So you guys are bringing the Guilder/Gulden back in crypto form -- I love it!

Me three...

Thanks! And yeah, exactly! We are trying to bring the Guilder back. Many people are still nostalgic for the guilder, it was replaced by the Euro obviously. Trying to get it accepted as a regular way of paying for stuff.

And about trading, I'm no big time trader. We are talking a couple of satoshi's of profit here, it's more for fun. I just try and make use of the volatility of BTC, it was bouncing up and down 10% a day sometimes, with UNO lagging behind. Last couple of weeks have been much quieter tho, so not much trading to be done. I think it's better for the ecosystem if the price is relatively stable tho, so I'm quite alright with that. Also, I can only trade when I have time, with two jobs that's not often.

Check out http://cointelegraph.com/news/113059/california-becomes-second-state-to-try-regulate-bitcoin.

It's really about "Bitcoin regulation", but the last half of the article really hits it.

Bottom line, pot is legal in Colorado, but not according to "federal" regulations.  Therefore, banks don't allow any dealings with the businesses that have anything to do with pot.  Therefore, crypto is coming into play.

That regulators are focusing on "Bitcoin" means they are missing the point.  Let's say they outlaw Bitcoin, what are they going to do then -- outlaw every cryptocurrency that pops up into existence?  And should they do, do they think we'll really care?  And what, do they really think they can really do anything about it?

Pot has been illegal in the US for many, many decades before I was born (and I'm old).  Did that stop pot?  Actually, I think illegalization made pot way more glamorous.

"Law" should be made for mankind, not mankind for "the law".  Ahh, but there's "democracy" for ya...

PS.   We have PPcoin (Peercoin).  Should we not also have a PoW DoodooCoin?  At least, it might ensure the survival of the feces.  And bring about the true New World Odor.

Julian, I'm very interested in how you trade UNO vs BTC.

Thought I'd pass along this great article about a true reserve currency...

http://mises.org/library/what-reserve-currency-should-look

A great read for those interested in that sort of thing...

As the waswas is going full retards, I wanted to take the opportunity to add this post... It's hard to be confronted to people supporting slavery in it's day and age... However nothing that death can't solve. It's simply a question of values. There are what can be considered as common to mankind, and what is against it.  

bold are my comments.


So to reformulate simply those guys don't want to accept that this truth and the one of the previous passage, only exposes them for the filths they are, worthless of nothing, but r&d subjects for the People of War Armies... because let's face it those mof, are ultimately a cohesive group expanding across multiple boundaries, aiming for the enslavement of the world because of their inability to understand a text to who they have been exposed since childhood, demonstrating that those ideologies are supported by older men indicating their rooting in the societal context of the societies accepting to live among such men. However and happily to come back to a more simpler point on the rule of war of the people of war, no organization on earth has jurisdiction on the people of war but the people of war, implying that any legislation may be superseded according to the realities of the imperative of national security and it's legislative framing. Why not move to incendiary munitions, they seem to be ready to burn... and they need improvements (ecofriendly)- shuffling (and on screen  ::)). And it doesn't destroy infrastructure too much... Fighting the People of War across all Continents is a very strange idea... they surely want to die, who wouldn't want to do the same after what they did to others Human Beings? Btw sub lethal weapons too, to add insults to injuries.

they who agree with those values must burn (or what ever, but, and die).

my letters are my flag and they are truly black (as much as we can answered the AIs).

 

Love the idea of this thread. Added it to Uno OP as our official "Off topic" thread. :)

Wouldn't that cause problems with a whole different set of regulations?

Thanks FK, I think it will be a great spot to discuss off-point, but fun topics...

Koshgel, thanks for stopping by.

The owners of dispensories complain that the banks will not give them accounts because while weed is legal in CO and WA, weed is still illegal under federal law. The banking regulators are under pressure from the Justice Dept to penalize banks that provide accounts / loans to businesses deemed politically "undesireable." The same stunts were pulled against payday lenders and gun stores for example. As a result, they can't deposit and have to carry around huge amounts of cash.

My point was if the dispensory customers paid in crypto, it would be a lot easier for the businesses to be safe and avoid robbery.  The value is stored on the blockchain at whatever location they hide the wallet.

I'm not really sure what regulations you are referring to. As crypto evolves, more and more merchants will accept it and there will be no need to convert it to fiat. For example, in the Unobtanium forum, IMZ lives in Western Australia and his local stores accept $UNO as a medium of exchange.

The dispensories would be well served in accepting any crypto and converting it to $UNO as it is an excellent non-inflationary store of value.

I'm interested to know, though, what regulations you thought would be prohibitive.

Well we bitched and moaned about being off topic ... now all the fun talk is on this thread :D

The IMZ idea of getting local shops to accept $UNO is pretty good. 

If we are shopping at the small 'mom&pops" they know you, you sort of have a line of credit informally.  That's how community businesses ran.   Now if we can drop them $5 in $UNO and say it's good money and more convenient than book keeping ... PLUS hey if the value drops just return it and I'll give you $5 in paper money.

Then they try it and it can become the 'town' coin.  And merchants will start playing the market on swings.

$UNO ... better than BTC ... much better than checks or cash or credit cards.

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Now where's all the weed talk?  The 420 coin alliance is interesting will let you know if anything big starts to take shape.

Hi, everybody, sorry if I offended anyone.  Maybe I should have kept my passion in my pants.

@Benefactor LOL! Welcome to the crazy thread. I was completely kidding about your post in the main thread. I'm for conspiracy / off-topic anytime / anywhere!

I've had so much work to do lately that i haven't had time to post much, but there's plenty going on in the world!

Hopefully, the Feds will codify nullification of federal weed prosecutions and the world financial system won't collapse!

How wise to have a crazy thread!

m

Bump.

I still believe in crazy talk!!  ;D

Absolutely, Benefactor launched into a little side talk in the main thread about Greece leaving the Euro. What does anyone think will happen with the Euro when that happens?  To me, it looks like the first crack in the dam that will let a lot of water out...

UPDATE:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-04/bidless-euro-crashes-level-not-seen-march-2006 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-04/bidless-euro-crashes-level-not-seen-march-2006)

Greece is screwed and primed for crypto.

Sales tax is above 20%
Everyone is struggling for work
and if you find some entrepreneurial business to get you going
PAY the MAN +20%

Almost as if the political powers want chaos and rage.  

launched campaign to strengthen altcoins and boycott bitcoin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=921887.0

 8)
I'm sick of it

I been think what if bitcoin $1 ...
The whole world will call it sh*tcoin.

When that storm hits
I think the fair market value is  
one dollar
OR $3600 daily payment to the miners.

And it will spike up to $10 on "The BTC half is coming in 2016" anticipation.  
Maybe can smooth out again at about $4000/day paid to the miners.
($3.25 for the 2016-2020 run)

BTC Now
#1314000/new bitcoins per year
OR $361,350,000

In 2020 perhaps the Bitcoin can hold $5000/day paid to the miners.
So that's a $1,825,000/yr for ledger keeping (AI style).
x180 less than it pays to mine bitcoin now

Right now UNO pays $37.50/day to the miners.

So UNO decides to pay $5000/day to the miners.
We want equal Hash for equal pay too.

It will take a while to get there.
By that time the rewards schedule gives us 3 coins/day

$1600/kg UNO
$10/btc

UNO wins 2 ways.

A.
Fork onto the bitcoin network ... free lunch ... uno investors pay $0 for the extra hash.  But as btc crashes, uno rises.
Then uno is the driving force for that network.

B.
Stay independent, rising UNO price gets more hash, low supply high demand, rising UNO price.  Repeat.

Option B
just takes the will to pay more per TH/s than bitcoin is paying out.

(dem is doing this already)

This causes slippage from the bitcoin network.
Just like paycoin did ... miners hop on to whatever coins is earning them the most per TH/s.

Both routes = win

I agree with your line of thinking, I like B the best to avoid another fork...

Bitcoin INC.
Steps to controlling the future of finance

1-invest heavily in tech and infrastructure
2 -kill price and bank off continual "rebound" liquidity
3- wipe out traders with 20x leverage - miners with low price
4 - hold large % of limited supply
5 - explode tech mainstream
6 - cha ching
7 - ignore better tech 'shit coins' and pray the just go away

@cryptopicasso  ·  Jan 11

the one bad thing about having everything crypto is if the power goes out or you get hacked you can lose it all.

Have you ever checked out generating a paper wallet? What Coins are you invested in?

just bit coins not into alts. but to acess your bitcoins you still need a computer that works and someone else to receive it with a computer.

No, I just meant that the paper wallet will keep your coins safe if you don't use them on a regular basis. If the power goes out, we're all out of luck.

oh yes I understand your point now. yes paper wallets are important

Oh, nothing to see here. Everything is fine!

Greek Bank Runs

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-15/greek-bank-runs-have-begun-two-greek-banks-request-emergency-liquidity-assistance (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-15/greek-bank-runs-have-begun-two-greek-banks-request-emergency-liquidity-assistance)

No inflation in Belarus!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-15/meanwhile-belarus-has-fx-problems-too (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-15/meanwhile-belarus-has-fx-problems-too)

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/01/20150115_BLR_0.jpg

Just like the Paris false flag attack, predictive linguistics indicate that, likely this next week, perhaps even Monday, when US banks are closed, there will be....another.

Right now, many financial institutions are probably working overtime through the weekend freaking out about the rammifications of the Swiss rate policy change of this last week and subsequent machinations of the evil bankers and ruling families.  Banks and nations are insolvent in debt that cannot be repaid, and won't be, as the ruling elite, fully in control, won't allow it.  Chaos, then a new global political order, Saturnian in nature, and a new global currency regime.

If something actually happens, tomorrow, it would be no coincidence that it's 9-11 backwards, 1-19.

Everything is planned by these cryptic a$$holes.

I've been yelling all week about getting cheap BTC's to support UNO all last week, and while not consciously cognizant of exactly why, the possibility that banks will be frozen or temporarily frozen has just jumped up, strikingly.

Equities are very likely to collapse, now, too.

DON'T WAIT!

JIMHO.

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Make your own food.  Secure water sources.  Connect with your local community.  Secure other necessary resources.  Prepare for security.  Learn about native edible plants.  Learn how to make things.  Learn to be self-sufficient.  These are some pretty good principles to consider, and soon, especially if you live in the United States.

Just got this:  http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/19/us/gunshots-fired-outside-of-bidens-delaware-home.html

Basically, the way to interpret this is that he's being shocked into 'doing what he's told to do'.  Our 'leaders' are basically pawns for the real, unseen 'government'.  A great example is the Reid Senator dude from Nevada - he's constantly having 'sports injuries' that leave his eyes and face bruised and ribs broken, etc.  These are contracted thugs of the real 'powers that be' threatening him.

If these characters (Biden, Reid, 'leaders', etc.) were to actually be 'liquidated', they would be.  Get it?

Basically, we don't have a Chenney to run command-and-control, so Biden better be 'prepared'.  Get it, yet?

THE SIGNS ARE THERE.

Check the date on this article:

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article34904.html

You can't afford to shout, 'This is not a drill,' before time. I think this week will be fabulous.

" . . . especially if you live in the United States." Rest assured, Benefactor, that your average Australian is just as pudgy, politically inactive, boob-toob-entranced, and indebted as the average American.

You're right!  Buy emus!   ;D

You mean raise emus! (Don't need to buy emus. Got free emus. Send stamped self-addressed box to . . . )

Gonna open The Seriously Old Blind Guy Emu-Egg Omelette Bistro at the top of the drive, and accept payment only in Uno. Bound to go well.

Here is a hard quote selection from a fair expert's interpretation of predictive linguistics information:

"Any kind of a decision that is made on the 22nd by the ECB....by Saturday, ....people in the United States ...trapped into positions over that weekend are going to be just freaking out...."  "....Markets will be breaking down...." i.e. liquidity issues.  "...Having one of the worst weekends ever." - [author withheld]

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People:  THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!!

Glad to see the thread is seeing some action! Thanks for the updates Benefactor!

@IMZ I'll have an emu steak, medium-rare!

Here's something to chew on:

https://i.imgur.com/4uJ8LlA.jpg

I don't know if you follow Jim Rickards, but he's always talking about snowflakes. He's looking for the snowflake that starts the avalanche.  The above picture may be said snowflake, notwithstanding what the Germans say about containing the contagion...

I love this thread. #lurker

BC, could you explain that graphic?  I don't speak Russian, and don't recognize the logos, and can barely read the graphic to attempt to use a translator.  'Would be a little easier on me....

T.I.A., if applicable.

It's a graphic showing the polling of the upcoming Greek elections (that don't matter according to Deutschland)

It shows that an anti-austerity political party is projected to take nearly a clean majority in parliament.

If elected, they will likely drop out of the Euro to begin printing Drachmas. What does that mean for the Euro? Probabaly nothing good!

The election could be the catalyst to start the SHTF...

Ha!  I can usually tell the difference between the Russian and Greek alphabets!  Should have looked closer at what I could see.  Anyway,....Yeah, the Greeks leaving the Euro is a done deal.  Beginning of the cascade.

Western cabal fiats are doomed.  Can't wait until it hits the $USD, so I can finally start talking to all the sheep around me, without that TV haze in their eyes.

For your listening pleasure:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHanymw3mW8&feature=player_embedded

Anyone who thinks the feds run things "for the people' and think they are part of the people that they are are running things for are a little misguided. I for one cannot wait for the breakdown of this current socialist state that is ruling the U.s. I know life is pretty awesome here, but it feels like it could be better. The funniest part of all of this, to me anyway, is that we are fine without most of what society currently offers. We tend to forget that humans have been around for quite some time without many of the modern luxuries. If society as we knew it today came grinding to a halt, how many others would be grinning ear to ear? 

I can't imagine why Germany would want their gold back?  ???

JK  ::)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-19/bundesbank-resumes-gold-repatriation-transfers-120-tonnes-physical-gold-paris-and-ny (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-19/bundesbank-resumes-gold-repatriation-transfers-120-tonnes-physical-gold-paris-and-ny)

And for a real world problem:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/16/us-argentina-economy-imports-idUSKBN0KP2A920150116 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/16/us-argentina-economy-imports-idUSKBN0KP2A920150116)

eh, i'm a bit of a socialist.  cheap junior colleges and public transportation rules.  some things really suck ass when they're privatized; just look at cable tv providers in the USA.  now imagine comcast being in charge of the roads and trains...

I see cooperation where, at the end of a day of barnraising, another member of the community has a place to live in.  They don't pay tribute to the Vatican through the IRS and City of London.  They just have a great place to live in, that they occasionally share with others, and enjoy, and make babies in, who grow to be strong and help others to raise their barns.

No more 40-hour workdays for almost anyone. It's not needed.  Most of the shit people do IN ALMOST ANY "job" is busywork, entirely counter-productive, and I'd say I can explain how about 90% of all positions are designed these days to actually murder people and reduce lifespan and quality of life.  Yeah, really.  Think real hard about that one.

I see people working together, interacting, learning skills and sharing them.  Making their own expressions in creations and artforms.

In the end, deflation actually rules this fantasy, believe it or not.  Most markets will become saturated, as everyone has just about everything they need and even want, turning inward, perhaps.  A land far, far away that is ruled by a little something that can be described as...

Ofcourse, there is no point in talking if there is nobody listening to you.  :-X

And yeah, the pot dispenseries are unfairly targeted, anyhow everyone should be able to walk in the shop/dispensary and get some.

Welcome to the fray broski! Do you hold any Unobtanium?

This is the crazy side thread for UNO

Y'all know my stance is in not promoting drugs, including alcohol, at all, but nevertheless,....

The governments are an integral, implicated part of the global mob that runs the majority of drug trade.  People get 'busted', because this supra-governmental mob doesn't like competition.

If governments and the Powers that Be don't like cryptos, you can be sure their minion drug merchants won't, either, by-and-large.  ...At least not yet.

Wouldn't want any faction of the lower minion class to make a windfall profit, now, by hodling, right?  Heavens!  They might actually start to think for themselves and gain some independence!

Yeah, plus under the scheme of civil asset forfeiture, cryptos are very hard to grab hold of. Not to mention, nobody in power wants to let any 'perp' out of the perpetual prison system.

Advanced predictive linguistics (don't ask) indicate that quite likely tonight's US President's nonsense talk will be immediately met with a reality that starkly contrasts with what is being said.  I mean, an obvious thing.  The secondary possibility is something ...forceful, but rather we'd prefer the primary possibility:  Economic!

While my anticipated market turmoil has been bucolic thus far into the week, with the MOST AWESOME exception of silver jumping a buck!  ...I am most expecting the global economic numbers to flipetty-flop quite nicely in evil coordination with the joke pawn of a figurehead's speech.

 :o

(Unfortunately, BTC, UNO, and cryptos aren't expected to do much, here.)

Bye, bye equities and other fakey-fake paper assets!  We didn't care about you....

*waving

Yeah, I agree. Besides AU, AG and PT what else do you stock up on that's a good asset besides long-shelf-life food? I read online some suggestions...I've got quite a store of booze and razors. Supposedly will be excellent to trade.

Hmm,.... RE: my Post #69; it appears that the following headline on drudgereport.com satisfies what I was looking for.  Basically, a total bust, unless you consider that silver just keep rising and rising, which it totally awesome with me.  (That alone is all I really need right now.)

"Obama urges civility, then immediately taunts...." http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/20/obama-calls-civility-then-immediately-taunts-repub/

It's just political BS, and I didn't even read the article.  Couldn't care less.

What it does tell me, being fulfilled, is that BTC and silver WILL win over the day longer-term.  ...And that is very important.  Moreover, equities should, in theory, still tank before this time next week.

;)

Knowledge how things are made/produced is pretty good.  Can you make your own food?  I make sprouts, and have a big box of sprouting seeds.  Mmm,...had some of my mung bean sprouts in an Asian stir-fry I made.

It helps if you are passionate about these things.  Get creative!  There are even new solutions that are suppressed by the governments and their mind-programming media.

From raw materials through cloth and buttons manufacturing to design and clothes production, how much of this process can you, yourself, direct?

How do you get raw materials to build or make something?  Do you know?

Food, clothing, and shelter - lost arts.

Now with the State cracking down on preppers, combined with the newish police radar that can see inside homes - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930124.0 - nobody is safe anymore. Police can now find probable cause for anything, just by making a unreasonable judgment about what they detected using the radar. Raid first, ask questions later.

:)

next, cutting Russia from the worldwide web... or only sat access... very slow, very painful... :D.

Don't know what cwazy post I had made last that's gone from here from the 1-day BCT blackout, but I can just make a random new one up.

:)

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PM's are supposed to do very, very, very well in the future.  BTC just as well, so I'm trading the good 0.08 ratio of BTC/1 oz silver, buying up BTC's again!  Good times.  UNO will do even better than BTC!

I think it's all about this weekend.  Equity and paper asset traders are supposed to shit bricks this weekend, when the markets are closed, and they can't exit positions.

ahhaahhaaahahahahahaahahaha!  Suckas.

This temporary failure of Bitcointalk shows us that if we are going to depend on Bitcoin in the future (after fiat and the banking system crash) that we are going to need much better backup systems on all our computers, and probably the whole Internet, as well.

When the crash comes, Bitcoin will be like our lifeblood. We will trade using Bitcoin. We will live using Bitcoin. We early adopters will be the wealthy. We want to stay wealthy, don't we? We need far better backups, and much greater security regarding the maintenance of our technology, than we have right now. Included in this is the simple security in keeping our property, our bitcoins, from all the thieves out there.

:)

ECB is going to generate one trillion out of thin air, spot price of gold and silver tanks. Makes perfect sense!

Comcast is banning people from using tor.

its all bs anything dealing with anyone in Washington is full of bs

I don't know if you're joking, but I don't think it will work out that way.  PM bullish, instead.

Yeah, I'm totally joking. The whole system is a joke! Nothing in the financial world is operating freely, it's all rigged. legarde was upset the Swiss didn't inform her prior to dropping the peg? Central banks are so independent!  ???

There's no reason metals should be going down. Just another "last" opportunity to load up sub 1300 before the SHTF!

Since when has anything in the financial world not been a joke.

Ive been meaning to ask what is going on with your government down under?  Did they take your guns away?  I thought I seen them hunting crocs without guns?  And dont you have a carbon tax too?  That 10% bitcoin tax is something else.  What the hell else is going on down there.  I dont run into much press about Australia.  Governments around the world are out of control, they arrest farmers in canada for selling raw milk and the milk in stores is no good for you?  Not much is, they keep changing the names of these gmo additives too.  Once the people get control of the money again, things will change!

I just read this crazy thread, bought some NLG too....crazy :o

I think Oz just got rid of their carbon tax or something.  At one point I heard it was made illegal for anyone to question it.  Funny thing for another 'democracy'.

What is NLG?

NLG is a Dutch national crypto.

It's mentioned in this thread here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881433.20 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881433.20)

They have a very impressive timeline app

Weed and Weirder
http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/c/8/1/c81d864c5e5a0410/bryceweiner-blocktech.m4a?c_id=7716623&expiration=1422368365&hwt=7871f3d6cad58658ed645bbe1e7bb3df

Hello, my 'Crazy Thread' readers!

Here's a quick 25% play for a small, a very, very small, a minute amount of your portfolio in BTC:

LTC is 0.008, today.  Buy it, there.  Immediately put in a 0.0999 limit to sell it all.  Wait a day to 6 weeks.  Pretty darn  positive you'll get that extra 25%, and then BUY UNOBTANIUM with it!!!

:)

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I really want to explain how I justify this quick strategy, but, even in the crazy thread, I better just keep it to myself.

Good luck out there!

Someone please quote my last post, so the words are permanently recorded/can't be edited.  ;)

T.I.A.

But Bene, I'm trying to get rid of my inflationary coins, not buy more  ???

Let's say a reeely smart investor has a portfolio like, hmm,....

50% PM's
-------
6% Au
41% Ag
3% Pt and/or Pd and/or other

50% Cryptos
-------
10% BTC
1% DVC
35% UNO
5% other

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(We don't count any paper assets or fiat or foodstuffs or machinery or real estate, etc. in this portfolio.  That stuff is just "extra.")

Then, the "other" cryptos are just in-transit between other parts of the portfolio, as you trade them.  They are for trading, as is up to as much as half your BTC's!

The trading half of your BTC's is where the current LTC play comes from.  In 1 day to 6 weeks, just put 100% of the BTC's you borrowed from your portfolio back where they came from and use the extra 25% of BTC's from the LTC trade to buy more Unobtanium!!!

 ;D

Wow.  Where'd you find that?  I wish it were a Youtube video.  Guess I can save it as a bookmark.

Liked Bryce's plug for UNO.  As well as the dog howling in the background towards the end...

I noticed this was recorded before Bryce Weiner left Blocktech.

Lot of heavy stuff in it, I don't know what to make of it all yet.  It's all over the place -- Nazis, Prescott Bush, Ram Dass, Timothy Leary, CIA, Bitcoin, Crypto in general, you name it.  That Bryce is an interesting character.  Who was the interviewer again?  And what is "Hyper"?

I think I just need to listen to it again, on a boring snowy night in the middle of the winter.  :'(

Update:  It is on YouTube (as David Seaman says at the beginning of the audio):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTPJdOd5VVA

Update #2:  New video today with David Seaman and Bryce Weiner on YouTube -- and with another plug for UNO! :)

The latest US jobs data as reported by Fox Business:

"The number of Americans filing for first-time unemployment benefits fell last week to 265,000 – the lowest level since April 2000 – from an upwardly revised 308,000 the week prior. Wall Street was expecting claims to fall to 300,000 from an initially reported 307,000."

Yeah, that's believable...   ::)

I guess it is if you figure in all of the people who don't work at all anymore!  :P

Let the Bulls run!

For complex reasons, not immediately apparent, nor explained, here, I bailed on my LTC play with only a small 2.8% gain.  There is plenty of buy support on there, should anyone be playing along and want to play it ultra-safe.  Still, I do think it will hit that 0.01 within days/weeks, but....the risks are yours, and not on the reputation of my opinion after this point.  This gets locked-in as a spoon-fed 2.8% gain.  That's all.  A pittance, but a gain, nevertheless.

Now,...to grab me a little of that UNO cryptsy sell wall, before it's all eaten up....

Munch, munch, munch....

I can tell the world is about to collapse.

Negative interest rate mortgages!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-30/denmark-you-are-now-paid-take-out-mortgage (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-30/denmark-you-are-now-paid-take-out-mortgage)

We have a negative interest rate cryptocommodity!  The longer you have it, the more it's worth!

It's a HNIR - Hodler Negative Interest Rate coin!  So rare, it's the only one of its class!  It's UNO!

Sometimes, there can only be...UNO.   :D

http://i1.wp.com/naturalsociety.com/wp-content/uploads/hemp-production-usa.jpg
http://i1.wp.com/naturalsociety.com/wp-content/uploads/hemp-production-usa.jpg

ahahah, death by a thousand cuts (but it could have been a breeze of leaf, but some preferred the sound of oil extractions/explosions and their billions exhausts... splendid. oh great verticalizer you did it, but at what cost, and for what pleasure... pathetic).

Is the fibre from hemp the same as the fibre from the medicinal varieties of cannabis? Can't they grow weed for its bud but also use the fibre for all the other uses? If so it sounds like win-win to me as there's little waste and maximizing profits.

be nimble my friends!

http://www.wallstreetinsightsandindictments.com/2015/02/visual-proof-markets-tipping-point/ (http://www.wallstreetinsightsandindictments.com/2015/02/visual-proof-markets-tipping-point/)

Don't ask how I know the answer to this one, Pugsley!

'Hemp' is the fibre of the plant, which, in its original state, had little 'psychotropic' value. It has been human cultivation that has produced seeds that produce plants with v. high percentages of female plants, far far higher bud-to-overall-plant ratio, propensity to seedlessness, and the THC that gets ya stoned. If you take Extra Super Stoner Special pot seeds, and chuck 'em down on a river flat, and leave 'em grow wild for fifteen or twenty generations, they'll revert to bein' hemp.

So the answer to your question is: No, not really. You either lavish attention on the plants, which gives you smaller plants with lots of lovely heads -- but little of the fibrous bulk you need to make rope; or you grow the plants for size, thus bulk, thus fibre -- and the psychotropic value of the plant falls to almost nothing.

Anecdote: so anyway, it's 1984, and Mark and his Stoner Backpacker Entourage are on the Kidney-Bruiser All-Stops Bus to Dharamsala, in the top left hand corner of India, when we see 12-feet tall pot plants growing in the ditches on the side of the road. We pile out, and ecstatically stuff our shoulder bags full of it, to smoke later at the hotel.

Nah! No high. It's rope, and all ya get from smokin' it is a sore throat.

The Hemp fiber alternatives are interesting .... still looking for a coin to help farmers farm fiber ... the HEMP coin looks broken from my inspection.  U-never know what a sound crypto coin might eventually be backed by.

libertarian economics
in 3 pictures
https://i.imgur.com/DrRaKku.png

Be vigilent online!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-03/uk-launches-massive-propaganda-campaign (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-03/uk-launches-massive-propaganda-campaign)

yep I am almost ready to bet that the 3 dna baby are part of their initiative, as an engagement... but what can they do against necromancers? they are just mortals...  :D.

Too blind at present (bush-fire smoke) to really research this . . . but it's double plus un good:

The Swiss come top of this list, and then:

‘easing measures’
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/04/us-china-economy-pmi-services-idUSKBN0L804820150204
‘growth-linked bonds’
http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/03/news/economy/greece-debt-swaps/index.html

Australia: ‘record-low interest rates’

‘taking the pressure off interest rates by keeping inflation low’ – that’s gobbleddeetalk!


http://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/rba-cuts-interest-rate-to-historic-low-of-225-per-cent/story-e6frfmn0-1227206366096

(Aforementioned) ‘bond-buying’
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/02/03/us-usa-fed-kocherlakota-qe-idUKKBN0L72BA20150203

‘11.7 trillion won ($11.3 billion) in fiscal support’ [Hat-tip to the Dokdo Coin dev for this heads-up.]
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-08-06/korea-to-cut-dividend-tax-reward-companies-for-pay-rises

And the open-endedness of the ECB’s initiative was overlooked by many:
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/02/02/ecb-coeure-qe-program-is-open-ended/

And the Kiwis next?
http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/will-new-zealand-be-next-to-cut-interest-rates-20150204-135zvl.html

The article below belongs in this bloc:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/20/denmark-cenbank-idUSL6N0UZ3YM20150120

That's a lot of good reading IMZ!

Here's a good quote about sound money:

“In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold.”

Alan Greenspan (Believe it or not!)

Does that mean governments will make Unobtanium illegal since it's a safe store of value?  ;) At the time of said quotation, it did not yet exist...

Unobtanium is an idea.

Oh, they can bring all kinds of trouble to people who have the idea, but....

You cannot kill an idea.

http://www.digitalattackmap.com/#anim=1&color=0&country=ALL&list=0&time=16443&view=map

http://map.ipviking.com/

http://cybermap.kaspersky.com/

http://globe.cyberfeed.net/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-07/rand-paul-explains-what-dollar-backed-used-car-loans-bad-home-loans-distressed-asset

--->http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2945650/Giant-explosion-sparked-fears-tactical-nuke-Ukraine-caught-camera-diplomats-warn-Russia-target-Baltic-states-next.html

seen that yesterday(in a forum), didnt know what to make of it




http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/41-admitted-false-flag-attacks.html

all governments do is start wars and kill people

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/02/09/stoned-drivers-are-a-lot-safer-than-drunk-ones-new-federal-data-show/


....really?

Riiiiiiiight on!

They're driving too slowly to do any harm!  :P

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/02/05/canadians-sued-the-bank-of-canada-won-mainstream-media-government-blacks-out-story/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40Jz0LPQAQY#t=236


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5Sc3vWefE

Operation Chokepoint:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46Am7qFf16c&feature=player_embedded

In a lot of the industries they target, they leave the large corps alone, and just attack the smaller business competition.  Evil shit.  Similar design patterns have been going on for a very loong time.

Here is a plot line for a work of fiction:

I am the fiction, my dawg; thou shalt have no other fiction before me.

- NASA's voyager's PHOTON RIBBON
- Solar System has entered "The Age of Aquarius" ruled by Saturn (Satan), which is
- 2,000+ years of unbearable energy from this part of the Galaxy and the Sun.
- Surface-dwelling soon becomes untenable; planet is changing dramatically, unacknowledged by those expected to reveal such [secrets].

- The breakaway civilization has 2 parts,
- Underground
- Skyward

- The skyward Breakaway Civilization is the one with tens/hundreds of thousands of years of history preserved. They know it all. They work with the alien races, etc. Etc. Etc.
- The Underground Civ is Saturnian in full - It's the only way to make the cattle humans work under the worst conditions, similar to how remote viewers found hardship duty on Mars, etc.
-It's tough keeping the cattle in line, but they are essential for the survival of the race as a whole.
-If the cattle humans ever got out of hand at this point in the 26,000-year Precession of the Equinoxes cycle (IT'S PERIODIC!!!!!!) then they could actually threaten the two halves of the Breakaway Civilization.
-It's only in this part of the cycle, especially with Indira's Web, that the cattle have access to sufficient technology to be a threat, (in their ignorance, as the philosophy surely goes,) to the Breakaway Civilization and to other alien races.

- The surface-dwelling cattle humans are going to be toast into this Age. Don't worry about the fauna and flora - that gets re-seeded soon enough in the next Age, to be sure.
- This is a "Planet of Sorrows", or so have multiple alien races informed us.
- The underground breakaway civilization doesn't quite understand that most of them are toast, too. Shake-a-shake, don't shake the babies! What hell!

-The evidence for all of this is overwhelming to the aware and truly studied.

Have a nice day, and keep it real.

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Why have you been programmed to resist key terms???

Here are some random links for your entertainment:

Dialog with the Hidden Hand:  http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

Breakaway Civ I: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCHU7ohTNCs

Breakaway Civ II: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzDbwyANEVU

Photon ribbon: http://news.discovery.com/space/astronomy/myterious-deep-space-ribbon-an-interstellar-roadmap-140214.htm

Age of Aquarius: http://www.new-age-of-aquarius.com/age-of-aquarius.html

Precession of the Equinoxes:  http://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/science/precession-equinoxes.html

Superior Lost Civilizations:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs2bQHpy7uk

Seed Vault: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault

Alien Races: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuwDXukkI9U

Law of One (not human): http://www.lawofone.info/

Thiaoouba: http://www.galactic-server.net/rune/thaoeng.html

Messier clues:  http://halfpasthuman.com/

Far Sight Remote Viewing Organization: http://www.farsight.org

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Note:  fiction writer is not one of the evil people, but an independent cattlefolk baking under a hot White Star, missing the "Yellow Sun" of childhood.

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A 'story' of times past had cowering people holding a stick outside of their cave, and the Sun was so hot the stick burned.

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If you like this story, share it as quickly and as broadly as you can.

As we are almost out of Aquarius for the year, I'd like to think we are almost beyond the strong Saturnian vampire influence....

 ;)

Lotta vampires trolling around these days. Hopefully, the light will keep them in check!

It's probably wise not to sell below 0.01300001, now.  ;)

http://earthweareone.com/russia-to-usa-tell-the-world-about-ets-or-we-will/

Edward Bernays:  American analog for Hitler's Joseph Goebbels, propaganda minister.

Edward Bernays is known as the father of "public relations".  Yeah, sure buddy.  How about the founder of American propaganda.

....Very deliberately coining such terms as, "Conspiracy Theory."  Yup, that term was engineered by Edward Bernays, a term now used for decades to shut thinking people up long enough to insert the globalist agenda's propaganda.

https://halfheartednovelty.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/edward-bernays-pr1.jpg

Jim Willie's latest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpNKtz0wCZs&feature=player_embedded

ohhh the dog bear the panda colors!

Rumor has it that a Corporation "person" will be arrested this year.  Corp will grind to a halt.  He, he, hee.   ;D

http://www.naturalnews.com/048714_mainstream_media_propaganda_lies.html#

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/dollar-dump-begins-russia-unloads-20-of-its-total-u-s-holdings-in-one-month_02202015

This one is real trippy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYO-iABnQd4&feature=player_detailpage

I know enough to say that I see this as accurate.

Basically, the US government steals coins:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/02/24/blockchain-and-darknet-hacks-lead-to-epic-bitcoin-losses/

Basically, the US government steals coins:

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31619907?ocid=socialflow_twitter#

Nope, no pattern, here.

You think I'm kidding when I say the US government is a tool for the Federal Reserve and the greater powers that be?

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Hey, I think we just figured out who was responsible for the gox hack(s?), and coinex and mintpal and....

Didn't the NSA invent Tor?  I've definitely seen an article explaining it was from a government agency.

Take a look at that woman, and say its acurate again? This is someone who earns her living on sci-fi..
She doesnt even look like someone who was in military, shes just crawing for attention imho

cheers

Most of the things she touches upon are corroborated by many other sources.  You just have to look in the right places for long enough....

There just shouldn't be laws against freedom.  I don't care for drugs myself but I don't care if other sentient adults choose to indulge.

Mike Rogers - NSA Director Defends Backdoor Strategy:

http://rense.com/1.imagesH/mikerogersNSAsplash.jpg

 :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHdvoTNiiAg

Cortana, please, save us.

http://www.sovereignman.com/finance/et-tu-britain-united-kingdom-to-join-china-in-the-anti-dollar-alliance-16482/?inf_contact_key=880a35d3d6c6adebf15143dfe3374b452e7290e942f6c285ab00745a4597913c#video

http://thebricspost.com/china-imf-talks-underway-to-endorse-yuan-as-global-reserve-currency/#.VQL75uHIfqH

http://nypost.com/2015/03/25/us-stock-market-is-just-way-too-riggin-easy/

"I'm all up in that backdoor entry!" says Mr. Rogers after recently turning $1 into $10,000,000,000 in less than 1 month of stock trading.
 

lol

What's your guesses how long will it take for Gekko to get banned from the neucoin forum for asking too many questions?

http://forum.neucoin.org/t/guide-to-the-neucoin-presale/648/17

lololo

He's going to drive them mad  :P

Get them Gekko! Hmmm, asking questions= FUD, sounds familiar.

rule of thumb for many of these people: it's "fud" when you don't understand it and "scam" when you do  ;)


NC is DOA already judging by reddit posts, twitter, thread on btctalk, the specs of the coin and even their own forum. NC cries DOA from every angle.

Nobody is going to invest and everyone is just going to get the freebies to dump them on the market. That shit will be in a deathspiral the first day it goes to market. Maybe Bob is in it, then he maybe makes an emergency pump to get the exit. He's getting cold feet too i suppose.  With angel andseedinvestors with such discounts and such high inflation PLUS handouts i really don't see it take off. Who should buy that?

I have been accused of spreading FUD before:  by Moolah
http://www.reddit.com/r/dogemarket/comments/26do4e/meta_selling_investments_on_rdogemarket_is_going/

When you look at enough of these things, it becomes clear how guys like L. Ron Hubbard get away with the shit that they do.  People just want to believe in something.  Logic goes out the window and the mind calls in it's defensive hamster to spin the wheels and justify every logical fallacy it is clinging to with "but it's different for us, we are special".

Poor Sandrine.  I feel bad for her.

She is like 26 years old, and is not privy to all of the dirty details her Master over there has been setting in place.  He hides behind a Tax Haven corporate veil and she is forced to be the public face of the damned thing and repeat their propaganda without being allowed, until some time late last night, to even acknowledge the registration number of the off-shore account.  She reminds me of Chemical Ali.

And she was forced to disclose that there is no way the guy collecting the bitcoins is going to allow the secretive off-shore corporate veil to be pierced by me, Scooby and Shaggy, or any other meddlesome kids.

I think she is afraid now.  Afraid she might be getting set up as a patsy.  I think that may be what is being prepared.

Cobain:

https://twitter.com/CryptoCobain/status/593128751816376320

https://twitter.com/CryptoCobain/status/593130031313977344

https://twitter.com/CryptoCobain/status/593128544160612352

LOL
Gekko derails the neucoin presale thread and turns it into Uno promo thread. LMAO!

After looking at everything i am actually convinced NC is a scam from beginning to end. There aren't any questions answered at all. It's just another cult imo.

I think the cryptocommunity at large is pretty turned off by that coin. It's going to pump maybe the first one or two days at the market and afterwards is going to bleed out below IPO price even.
I'm betting 10 Uno with whoever wants to bet against it that we can buy NC considerably below IPO price within the first year.

"Bob Surplus". Pump-whale. Do a search, you'll find his profile and a couple of topics on his person ;)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896480.0;topicseen

*the story of bob surplus*

@Benefactor you give us a very interesting links. Thanks man! The others to! This treat is very educational.

 I have time to read most of this one today:

   Dialog with the Hidden Hand:  http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html

I'm surprised this Hidden Hand mentioned so deep stuff. Wow. He even mentioned Dream Recall. Some people's call it The Art of Dreaming. Here in USA they call it Lucid Dreaming! In  Russia they call it The Dream Hackers! It's one of the most greatest  and powerful things that human being can do ever. Also the most dangerous tehnika. But is truly ART.

The Great Harvest think is very interesting. This guy is more intelligent than any average level illuminati I read for. He is still evil...l see some similarities with the very Ancient and Earlier lines when they transmit their sacred knowledge from father to son or relatives.but not to whom is ready to know. But they are far from modern people of knowledge who seeks only total freedom!
Damn...there is so awesome stuff that human can discover inside themselves. Humans are endless!

The most people don't pay attention. And the most are not creators,but mostly consumers. That is Unfortunate.
To know yourself and expand your energy that is the real deal. Not to be a  money slave and die as such.
Stupidity is the most dangerous not illuminati which they find perfect soil i think....

Cheers. Blue.  

True that. Wonder if our 'Gekko' is the 'Salamander'?

Wow! Forgot about the off topic forum. Anybody in here?

Oh yeah tons of people come here all the time.

LOL, we used to have a nice number of conspiratorial conversations in here.

You a HODLer of $UNO?

Uh no this is the first time I have heard of it.

Well, welcome.

If you are looking for a store of value in the cryptoverse with a great and very active community, check it out.

Here's the link to the main page:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=527500.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=527500.0)

Only 250K, no inflation, no premine, no scams, no BS. What crypto should be.

We just added merge mining with BTC and a bunch of other SHA-256s, so the hash is through the roof.

We'd be glad to have you on board. Let me know if you have any questions or join the conversation in the main thread.

Ah! Finally relocated the off-topic thread.

Gonna drink TWO bottles of stout tomorrow -- seven years in my faraway farmhouse!

Hey, RitzBitzz! Come and post on the main thread any old time.

Mark (IndiaMikeZulu), Australia

IMZ, how did you end up in faraway WA?

Did you grow up there?

I love stout. Can't wait for the weekend.

I have it on my list to acquire some Unobtanium beer. I'd like to know what that tastes like.

What other coins have you guys found interesting, besides Uno? What's on your radar today?

Name the top 3 coins I should know about, but probably don't.

I'm not very good at knowing coins to be in, but I did get a Bittrex mailer recently with a huge number of delistings.

I saw that our cousin Zetacoin was taking the fall. That's sad to see...

Hey, it's the off topic UNO thread!

Anybody here?

going through my old messages

http://i67.tinypic.com/n3kfbm.png

I'm not familiar with gpumax. Is it a pool that went kaput?

no, the first place that you could rent hashing power(like nicehash)

All those hash renters will likely vanish like a fart in the wind...

The tech advances too quickly to get any ROI

How have you been doing? Things cold in Canada?

I made quite a few bitcoins on gpumax.  I have a bad cold right now, almost had a computer meltdown(fortunately it was just a video card) but the winter so far has been great, cant complain.   This Cryptsy thing is turning the market upside down, so I almost stopped buying(honestly thinking about dumping most coins)  Right now I am watching "The Big Short" and I am reminded that nothing has changed. 

Sarge, hope that you are feeling better.

I saw in the main thread that you like CBX a bit. What do you like about it?

I didnt buy them, I had mined them but I do like their low supply.

Yeah, I bought some (I don't have the capacity to mine) because of the low supply. Not big on the inflation generally, but it is fun to leave a wallet open and watch coin magically appear. LOL

I feel like a central banker!  :P

I have seen articles about skyrocketing food and basic prices in Canada. Has the purchasing power of the CAD really gone down to a point where a box of Tide Detergent costs $30? Or, are those just FUD articles?

I think they are mostly FUD, but any small store can put any price on a product they want. I just paid $11.98 for 939g of nabob coffee, reg price $19.99, bought 6 cans.  I buy bulk and I go to sales, I keep a six month supply in the house.  Why?  Because it is the winter, I live in the north and its cheaper to shop like this.  Gas is $0.83/liter right now.  Historically(in my lifetime), the canadian dollar to american has been around $0.70-.73 and its at $0.68 right now.  Im the youngest of 6, that grew up on a farm.  We had a huge garden, chickens and cows.  We lived very well!
  When we were at par with the american dollar, most prices didnt come down right away.  During this time I stopped buy lots of products, like magazines and books.  They had two prices on them, one american and one canadian.  Before I was awake, I used to spend at least half to 3 quarters of my paycheck at Walmart.  I spend hardly any money there now.   I make sure that its made in canada or usa.  The last heinz ketchup factory left canada, fk them- I dont buy heinz no more, it was more expensive anyways!

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*on right now

Yep! checking in. I just plugged this thread in the Uno thread. Hopefully the rancor level here will rise soon.

I just stopped by to check on SgtMoth's avatar.

LMAO

Always warms up a cold winter?

Glad you stopped by Jefe!

Wish we'd get some more action over here.

There's a lot going on in the world to discuss!

https://blab.im/fefox-dragon-has-been-talking-so-much-he-has-become-hoarse

*not crypto related

@Sarge, what is blab? My browser won't load it...

BTW kids, check this out:

War On Cash Escalates: China Readies Digital Currency, IMF Says "Extremely Beneficial"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-20/war-cash-escalates-china-readies-digital-currency-imf-says-extremely-beneficial (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-20/war-cash-escalates-china-readies-digital-currency-imf-says-extremely-beneficial)

If the IMF likes it, we must be in trouble...

blab is 4 way video conf, with a chat box or a question box...chrome works the best

*heres another spot
https://appear.in/

Video conversations with up to 8 people for free.
No login required — no installs

@Sarge I see, I'll have to see if I can get it to work.

More on the ban on cash from Norge:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-23/norways-biggest-bank-demands-cash-ban (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-23/norways-biggest-bank-demands-cash-ban)

I wonder who will be next to ban freedom, oops I mean cash.

good stuff
wouldn't mind UNO sponsoring artist like that, digital political cartoonist, need digital money tips ;)

I am just checking in here to look at SgtMoth's avatar.

Thanks for the plug in the main thread! There's plenty to rant / talk about over here, wish more people would get involved in the fun!

Its a good place for the guys to blow off some steam.

Its been an interesting couple of days in UnoLand.
It looks like a whale came in and simply took a stake.  I keep waiting to see what he's going to do with it. Maybe nothing for a while?

Yeah, that was a really large position to accumulate in an 18 hour period...

Hope he / she holds it for awhile. Further scarcity will drive up the price!

https://blockchain.info/address/1sCHh9zH7g1yx7S4h4qJ9uqxCDLNm7Lke


this wallet belonged to a hacker

Thought this was good!

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-14/case-closed-deutsche-bank-confirms-silver-market-manipulation-legal-settlement-agree

Deutsche Bank Confirms Silver Market Manipulation In Legal Settlement, Agrees To Expose Other Banks

'Gold-Fix Cartel': How Western Banks Were Caught With Pants Down

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20160419/1038265226/gold-deutsche-bank-manipulation.html#ixzz46fwBD1CB

https://srsroccoreport.com/continued-financial-market-deterioration-impacts-gold-eagle-sales-in-a-big-way/

Continued Financial Market Deterioration Impacts Gold Eagle Sales In A Big Way

Here's a good reason why all money should be digital.

So my fucking dog eats about 79 cents (US) in coins the other day and has zinc poisoning. Today he's sick, listless, puking, peeing, shitting all over the house.   For less than $1 in loose change, I'll now have to spend nearly $1000 for an animal emergency room visit, I.V., xrays, extraction of coins from his stomach, zinc coagulent medicines, and at least two, maybe four days in recovery. This dog is not worth 2.x bitcoin.

I would let this dumb animal expire and plow the savings into UNO, but the kids are all sad about it.

Buy the walls bitches.

Or make butt-buddies Siameze/Shinohai and BitcoinCharlie apologize publicly in the main thread for insulting my character.

Until that happens,  start raising 30 BTC to buy me past .008.

Fuck you all.

How to run a crypto-coin scam

Make a few million with little to no risk and no coding required.

Start an ICO, ITO, IPO or whatever you want to call it, in fact why not just call it an IFO (Initial Fools Offering). There are no regulations and you don’t even need a working coin at this stage just the promise of further development. In any case its not that hard to start your own coin as there are quite a few coin creation services out there.

Now make a shiny new website with lots of promises of development a nice road map and some new wiz bang feature preferably with a name that nobody will understand what it is. Use lots of buzzwords about innovation, technology and marketing and how you have all the solutions to all the worlds problems. And most importantly don’t forget to create plenty of sockpuppet accounts supporting your scam on all the bitcoin forums.

Now get together as much money as you can, don’t worry there is no risk to your money as I will show you later. You can even get your friends to join you, as there is no risk to them as well. To keep the numbers simple lets just say you and your group have 500k at your disposal to run your scam.

Find an exchange to host your IFO and then launch it. You may have to pay around 2–5k to the exchange for the listing. Use your 500k to buy your own tokens and this will at the same time build hype around the sale by creating the illusion of demand. Once the IFO period is over you will get your 500k back plus at least 50k from the suckers who bought into your fools tokens.

So now you are in a situation where you have your money back safely, you own 90% of the fools tokens and you have 50k profit to play with. So now you can safely pump the market that you control with your free money and its possible to go 10x or more the price of the initial offering. Once you think you have pushed the price as high as you can, then you start to sell off.

Even if you don’t push the price up much above the initial price it doesn’t really matter as the fools tokens didn’t cost you a penny and its all free money. And most importantly nobody has a clue what just happened and if you’re clever there won’t be any evidence. Rinse and repeat.

Attention: Now I don’t want anyone to go out and actually do this. This is for people to consider before investing in any coin/token “Pre-Sale” and be aware that the above scenario is what you are more than likely investing in.
If you want to invest in a crypto-currency (and it can be a lot of fun), then look for the coins that are not “brand new” and coins with real developers and real development and most importantly open source. Its no guarantee that your investment will be a success, but at least you wont get scammed.


https://decentralize.today/how-to-run-a-crypto-coin-scam-7f83f4ec543b#.twwwvz428

Keep up with the current results of the Brexit!

http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results (http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results)

Brief. Inexcusably simplistic:

‘a low inflation store of value that in crypto-terms has been incredibly stable around the $2/Uno mark for years.’

Falling Knife, although I have boundless respect for the investment you’ve made in this coin, I call you out on this:

Unobtanium’s price has fallen 75% in twelve months. It’s only the increase in Bitcoin’s price that has kept the $-value steady. Thus, ‘store of value’ is a hype-group term: quite untrue. If anyone had kept their Bitcoin instead of buying Uno, they’d hold more $-value at this point.


“No coin ... NO COIN ... besides BTC has passed the bar of 'currency function for merchants' “

Doge is doin’ okay; but more to the point, IndiaMikeZulu provided currency function (of a specifically ‘crypto-commodity’ type) in order to solve this very problem, and the community stood about like potted palms while Gekko shouted us down.

For example, getting Uno accepted at Bitcoingiftcards was easy. If done in a dozen countries, you’d have had sufficient currency function within months.

Let me state my position frankly, B.N.: this community is bone lazy, and adopts ‘theory’ that validates inactivity.


“you really  think buying some tomatoes with uno in grocery store is good for  LIQUIDITY?”

Blue Man, buying anything anywhere is liquidity – why did we set up an android wallet?

[I actually wouldn’t buy tomatoes. I’d buy bullion. See the paragraph above.]


“IMZ you consider gekko to be the old miserable man but i am starting to think it is you”

Pardon my frankness, Kingn56: it’s simply not your place to comment. You don’t know if I am angry, and I doubt you have much background in The Gekko Thang.



Here’s my position:

This community is lazy -- except for F.K., without whom Uno would likely collapse.

The community’s theory of ‘We are rare (etc. etc.); so we just wait’ is rubbish, and endlessly repeating it in the face of the fall in Uno’s price/volume is nothing less than delusional.

We all know that splitting the community by opening a zero-tolerance-for-sociopaths thread is not an option: the community is already weak. [The reason I decided to return to posting was that, a couple of months ago, there were a coupla days on which there wasn’t a single post.] And having F.K. delete Gekko’s posts a day later suits Gekko just fine! (Indeed, it’s a tactic he has himself employed.)

Here’s the nitty gritty: you misapprehend the politics of the situation. Libertarian/open source/anarchist/decentralized doesn’t mean ‘Let bad guys burn your crops and barn.’ It means you deal with the problem yourself, rather than getting Constable Muffincrust on the phone.

A complicating factor is the poor social skills of many crypto geeks. [Did he just say that aloud? Yes. He did.] They seem not to understand that the solid majority of potential adoptees are not emotionally-fragile sexist white male Netizens who think that shouting, ‘Fuck you, you ‘tard, suck my cock!!’ is unproblematic. You’re involved in a quasi-commercial enterprise. So provide a better environment for potential adoptees.

The community’s slinging-off at the 2.0s – “inflating @ 2 chainsFORKS/day” – is more self-serving hype-group talk. They are an existential threat – which is why talk of ‘FUCKLIQUIDITY’ is so harmful. [‘crypto-commodity’] Currency function is your best chance of survival. Get to it.


“UNO needs to get to a place of better liquidity.” Couldn’t agree more, F.K. (and diplomatically expressed as always. Apart from the G-Man Thang, my admiration for you is boundless). This is my area of weakness. (The psychology of libertarian political enterprises is easy peasy.) I think Uno is dying in slow motion. And I could care less except (a) if you guys could just figure out the optimal context, it’s a fine ‘instrument’, and (b) I still own a lot. We undertook to provide the right sort of liquidity – and I’m too human not to say: ‘Holy shit! What a blunder you made in not fighting to expand DVC! It would have grown like a magic beanstalk as Uno’s price slipped!

My wild guess (short version) is that Uno’s price could drop another 50-70%, and will then either stabilize, or you will slip go down the gurgler. In the interest of protecting my investment, I’d take the Trusted Traders list; open a thread; and tentatively start providing liquidity. Small scale. And factoring in price-shifts so I don’t suffer further financial loss.

Hope you are all well. Please excuse me further posts. I'm tired of going over and over the same issues. PM me anytime. Mark

Buy your Hemp Hearts:
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8)

Mark, I don't disagree that UNO's price has fallen relative to Bitcoin, but it has long clung to a level of around us$2.  Sometimes more, sometimes less. It has not been the wild ride of Bitcoin, Eth, or the pump-of-the-day, but neither has its value been destroyed like so many other coins.

" not fighting to expand DVC! It would have grown like a magic beanstalk as Uno’s price slipped!"

Another joke. I don't think I like or need your DVC. I believe I got some imzdvc thing , but is nothing for me. I prefer to leave it in the dust. I do not think you going to have any success with this DVC thing of yours.

In other hand  I was like your trusted trader Uno ex. and uno mall idea. it was your chose  to close it and give up. Who ask you to do that?
You going very paranoid about Gekko. Is not up to me to kick of somebody or push button delete.

If you are not lazy and U can support Unobtanium then go for it bro. WE are here for  long term - most of us so I wish U to live long enough to see it old bro.

FK is the best Uno leader :) - U are right about that.

This is natural, it is diverging from Bitcoin and becoming more like a fiat instrument.


@IMZ perfect summary. But to resurrect the original "crypto-commodity' idea of your is still possible. Just not here.

in agreement (mostly); UNO is $USD determined instrument, see the 1 yr charts; UNO despite slipping on the BTC peg has had a fair $USD performance and is preforming as expected ... currently positioned at the bottom of a down swing ... the evidence speaks for itself.

in time UNO will be a hybrid of fiat/crypto/commodity backed store of value.

what ratios is determined by the wise strong hands and how they choose to manage their personal portfolios.  thus, true to the decentralized principle.  

i would suggest that the better UNO portfolio managers stay away from (or at least segregate) this ICO flim flam that is hot and trending these days.  

the intention is to make UNO a low risk yet consistently preforming asset/fund/coin/network, organizing that concept with the decentralized principle takes some time ;)



The "crypto-commodity' idea is still valid, but not for UNO, as stated above UNO is not definitively pegged to a singular commodity.

This is not to say that the UNO investor community can not lend a hand to a coin project that is pegged to a singular commodity.

IMZ is not alone in exploring the idea, but in practice it will require  real world delivery of said commodity.  Organizing that ... is the pickle.  Plus, the right coin(s) have to be identified ... and the likely better technical solution are 2.0 tokiens ... but that realm is still too grey ;)  

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the other stuff

old miserable man men ...  the main vein of UNO community seems to older, yes and that is for the better ... lets hope wisdom is acquired with the grey hairs ...  act in accordance to your age.   8)

this community is bone lazy, and adopts ‘theory’ that validates inactivity ... not sure if this is true ... and I seek to participate with consistent and regularly participant crowds ... UNO is still one of very few camps that have held long term members.  yes, it appears like nothing is happening, if you're only measure is market cap and volume.  i would suggest measure in terms of market depth and market complexity.  and if you can't see that, this factor, which is always at work, then you're not on the mark ;)  

note that UNO is the anti thesis of constant code development, such platforms will be forked often and regularly, just a matter of manufacturing 51% consensus.  

give me the enshrined for 250 years, the code is the law, coin.

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copy pasta

decent in 3 necessary Keys

Immutability is necessary. The blockchain is a truth machine preserving one universally accepted version of history, one immutable sequence of events. What’s true once is always true, regardless of political or business interests, and no amount of lobbying can change that.

Neutrality is necessary. It’s important for anyone participating in blockchain-enabled cooperation to be on an equal footing with everyone else. 

Openness is necessary. It goes without saying that the rules of the game should be open for anyone to see and understand.
  

Text Number One:

Merchants are entitled to sell the Uno they accept if they want to or need to – but the ‘slippage’ in doing so makes the acceptance of Uno unprofitable. ‘Coin-wholesaling’ is undertaken by a facilitator – in this case, me – who simply buys at the going rate any amounts of Uno that the merchant needs to unload: no slippage.

I have always agreed with the notion that Uno is best suited to 'big-ticket' stuff* -- and think about it: coin-wholesaling, which facilitates large trades at low profit-margins, is exactly what we need to make this happen. In the case of this little project, though, we're just working on proof of concept: the android wallet needs testing; we wanna figure out how such a project integrates with our security protocols, etc.


[Next time: the lunch-for-two-at-Subway test]


*We gotta be pro-active on the blockchain-bloat issue. My first thought is 'C-Uno': we tend to buy and sell Unobtanium a hundred at a time -- the exact opposite direction of milli-Bits.

C-Uno.

If you look at the UNO pair market, you might get the feeling that bots are already onto a concept much like this.   INSTEAD of trading @ the resistance or support level ... there seems to be a policy of letting the price range set and then speed trade.  This concept seems to be capable of handling high voltage loads. 

There are 2 classes of participants here:

a. classic stronghand day/trader (with knowledge of high quality networks NOT pump operations)

b. merchants (with intent to take a stake in a particular network and underwrite the value w/ services,goods)   

class A provides quick solutions to avoid the ‘slippage’
class B provides cash flow via business operations

To blow our own trumpet:

guys, IndiaMikeZulu exists to dev on altcoins. Continuously since 2013: Franko, Litecoin, Nxttycoin, CGB, CBX, Unobtanium [DVC], Dokdo, Dogecoin, Ham Radio Coin, TX, Dnotes, Yacoin, and DASH.

And if we have seemed to be fickle, it’s because we’ve had the Godawful experience of ship after ship goin’ down under our feet. We’ve lost absurd amounts of money, time and time again, by staying on past the use-by date.

So, about a year ago, guys, when I was tryin’ a second time at CBX, the crypto clearly had its back to the wall: massive sell-walls (likely early miners wanting to get Bitcoin for the likes of Ether). The community had a price-support program in place, which we all know was a bad tactic; but things were so dark that ANY activity seemed positive.

Some time later, I called publicly that the community COLLAPSE the price of the coin: everyone buy and sell like mad, thus providing a low-price/high-volume currency that might then be worked with.

Stony silence. No one acknowledged the post.

Then CBX sputtered to a halt.

Then a guy named ‘Major Max’ said almost exactly the same thing I did.

My point is not that I’m suggesting we collapse Uno’s price (I’ll call for that in about a fortnight . . . ); but that ‘bagholderism’ is our real problem:

too few people own too many units of a currency. The price begins to fall. Volume slows. The user-base shrinks. Too few folks do too much of the daily devving work. People are exhorted to ‘Buy at these great low prices!!!’ – which increases the bagholder problem.

But most importantly of all, no decisive action is taken. The talk about The Amazing Feature goes on. No honest discourse is undertaken.

I learn so much from you, B.N.

"time and time again, by staying on past the use-by date"

Well each one teach one.  IMZ may have formulated a fundamental LAW of CRYPTO here.

I'm completely in shock how far and deep some projects can sink after rising so high in the charts and public eye.

I've spent buckets on what I thought were well oiled machines.  

Then small change on risky outer limit range networks. And learned that with a modicum of effort a few folks can keep the lights on.  DIY stage.  Self reliance.

The major projects, once the captain abandons the ship, very few stay a float.  Because noone knows how to maintain the basics, they just bought a ticket on voyage 'get rich / no effort'.    

UNO @ $1.  Bothers me not.  Because I know the numbers, it is still a great product, and even though no one knows this basic FACT, it is fundamental to the greater BTC ecology.  We are creating a wing of the BTC beast called 'store of value'.  And I reckon (since STEEM has this as part of their platform), the general IQ will start to pick up the idea.  But beast BTC has run into hazardous territory by destroying the secondary networks attached to it.  This includes silly little projects like p$ or maza, because they facilitate a second-life market for retired mining equipment, that the industry rapidly burns through.  They also need store houses to house $15-$20 B, within the greater SHA256 network.

So back to the DIY stage.

1. I think the current team can keep the network healthy and growing for at least +10 months.
2. under a buck UNO is appealing to outside spectators. perhaps they'll take a LONG position of half a dozen kilos.
3. the resistance is feather light, +100% gains/-50% losses, every 30-60 days ... already organic and visible.
4. the magic of UNO @ $1ish - dead simple marked to market calculating

EDIT: I note that I posed this question when Uno was fifty bucks short of an 0009 handle on C-Cex, and the fate of the Cryptsy coin remained unknown. My goal was to gain price stability as a precursor to maintaining volume (through an OTC program). But today, 8/3/17, the '#FUKLIQUIDTY' perspective has Uno in Coinmarketcap's low-volume penalty box.


‘My wild guess (short version) is that Uno’s price could drop another 50-70%, and will then either stabilize, or you will slip go down the gurgler.’
Me, six months ago, in a post above.


Unobtanium’s price has now been declining for over a year and a half. Its merchant activity and development is practically nil. Now, there are other factors, positive and negative; but I want to think out loud here:

the prevailing problem IMHO is that just being ‘rare’ has been used as an excuse for doing nothing.

‘rare’: ‘not often seen or found, and therefore admired or valued very much’ [http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/rare ]

You’ll grant me that there’s a problem here. That is, it’s hard to claim Uno is ‘rare’ if there are consistently more sold than bought.

And here’s a related fact: members of communities stubbornly ignore the fact that, when a crypto has fallen as low as Uno, the market cap is indicative of nothing much at all. Us IndiaMikeZulu guys have thoroughly proven this as a theoretical exercise: you ‘drop’ a tiny amount of coin into an illiquid market, and tens of thousands of dollars disappears from the market cap (‘cause it wasn’t really there in the first place . . . ).

Now a definition of ‘bagholderism’:

bagholders are, logically enough, those who stick with the community; and bagholderism is – it’s clearly present in the Uno ANN thread at present – the stubborn conviction that (a) the crypto has some ‘real’ value that is higher than its present value (as indicated by the market cap . . . ), and (b) that all we have to do is wait, and the price will  . . . eventually . . . rise.

The difficulty here, though, is that any one of us long-timers, if we were analyzing another crypto, would immediately recognize the signs of bagholderism, and be warned off: ‘Price so low!! Great buying opportunity!!’

So, here’s my pitch: rather than advocate a full-on sell-to-collapse-the-price initiative, I’m gonna call for a half measure, and of course it relies on (Good luck with this one, Mark . . . ) the bagholders really appreciating the fact that the Uno they hold is very likely to end up being worth nothing, as has been the case with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of cryptos before us:

Guys, you can't reasonably assume your Uno is worth what you (or I) paid for it!

I propose that members of the community communicate by PM; decide upon some number of Uno that they’re willing to sacrifice; and then sell those willy nilly, to drive the price solidly under 0.000~. Heck, I’m a dirt-poor disability pensioner, and I’ll chuck in a hundred.

Why would anyone propose such a move?

Glad you asked!! Instead of the death dwindle continuing, wearing away at our psyches as we wonder if there’s ever gonna be a bottom at which folks start saying, ‘What? Well over a thou Uno for one Bitcoin!? Yeh, I’m up for that!’ we end the waiting ourselves. Bam! Here we are!!

Finally, I ask readers to go and check some All charts on CMC. Many and many a crypto has had sudden price-drops of 30-50%; so, in a year or two from now, looking back, we’ll see the ‘price-point’ at which Uno stopped going down, and either went up, or began its life anew as a high-volume instrument that actually ‘stores value’; but that final dip will be just a half a centimeter of down at the end of a meter of down – basically indistinguishable.

Yes, value is a relative thing. 

I don't know if the price will go up or down or if I will be rewarded for my stubbornness.

It has been a tough slog down and there's probably not too much more I can absorb at this price (which is expensively cheap).

Though it would not take much to move the price up, holding it there is tiring, like swimming against a rip tide.

A lot of Uno has traded hands at .001, so to push it up to .002 would probably meet a lot of resistance now.

And all the while the Cryptsy Uno just hangs over my head.

People who don't want to be in UNO should sell their UNO.  But I am going to stay a stubborn bagholder.

‘Vapour Cap’: my suggestion that folks collapse Uno’s price stretched my ethics to the limit. It seems like manipulation. But it’s not. As IT folk understand ‘vapour ware,’ so crypto folk should understand ‘vapour cap.’

So, apart from the indefensibility of claims of ‘store of value’ for a crypto whose price has dropped 90% in the second half of its life, the demonstrable fact is that the market cap is ‘vapour.’ Uno’s ‘real’ price – putting aside recent divestment volume/the ‘lift’ volume of recent days – is far lower than the stats suggest. So ‘collapsing’ Uno’s price is no more unscrupulous than stomping on a floor board to see if it’s solid.

Just stopped by the off topic thread to say hello.

Nothing really too off topic to contribute today.

I like ice cream.

Also...

UNO markets are active again on Cryptopia. Lets make the most of them.

warning to others...dont leave coins on btc-e.  I just lost another 126 namecoins cause those fuckers suspended my account after a year idle.  I cant seem to get it back.  I moved the coins from cryptsy and only have a conformation email that i moved them.

Dear Customer,

Thank you for contacting BTC-e.
Your BTC-e account was blocked automatically after 1 calendar year of inactivity. This was done as a security measure to protect your funds against potential hacking.
To unblock it, you must provide verification documents and other information.

Go to https://support.btc-e1.com/index.php?/Tickets/Submit/ and submit a ticket to department Account > Account Banned
Your ticket must contain the text “Requesting to unsuspend an inactive account according to BTC-e Rules https://btc-e.com/page/1, p. 9.10”

When creating the ticket, please, attach the following documents for verification:
(1) Scans of your IDs (passport or another national ID displaying your personal information and address (if applicable) and a utility bill in .jpg or .pdf formats.
(2) Detailed information about your deposits and withdrawals in Crypto currencies – a screenshot (.jpg or .pdf) of your local or on-line crypto wallet (or a mining account, or another similar electronic wallet) displaying deposits and withdrawals to/from BTC-e.
Important: We will not accept screenshots, links or txids from blockchain.
Only a screenshot must be provided.
(3) Detailed information about deposits and withdrawals in FIAT (USD, RUB, EUR, etc) and BTC-e codes including:
o Payment system (International Wire transfer, Yandex, Okpay, etc);
o Your account/ e-wallet number in this payment system;
o Date of payment;
o Exact amount of payment;
o Transaction ID from within this payment system
o BTC-e code can be provided in text format.

We will check your ticket within 24 to 72 hours.
If you have further questions, do not hesitate to contact us again.
Best Regards,
BTC-e Support
Knowledge Base http://bit.ly/BTC-e-Support

i havent touched them since they tried robbing me in 2013

it took months and months of harassment to get them to cough up.

fuck btc-e!!

they wont even answer me...

Is it possible to influence all this if you are robbed or have been cheated by you? I thought that if all the transactions that occur with Bitcoin are somewhat wrong, then you can dispose of your money.

i dont understand your question.

@sgt moth - attack their twitter etc with 72point red fonts

it took me a while and they may have built up some resistance to it by now, but no one likes bad publicity.

attack attack attack

its your fucking money, fight for it, be relentess

its a pretty small amount compared to yours, lol.   It pisses me off because i had $2000 of namecoin stolen before.

Just checking to see who is still around.

i pop in n out