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Title: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: edmonddantes on December 29, 2014, 09:51:04 AM
Do you believe in Moon landing conspiracy theories which claims that some or all elements of the Apollo program and the associated Moon landings were hoaxes staged by NASA with the aid of other organizations to be ahead of russia?


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Foxpup on December 29, 2014, 11:01:01 AM
Of course we really went to be moon. The evidence is right there in your post: "to be ahead of Russia". Guess what: Russia did not like the USA being ahead, which is why they were monitoring US space launches very closely. The could see the launches on radar and triangulate the radio signals once they were out of radar range. If there was any evidence at all of fakery, the Russians would have been the first to call bullshit. Yet that has not happened.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: TrailingComet on December 29, 2014, 12:38:36 PM
I think it happened, the technology that they had would maybe have fooled folks then but would be spotted today easily
Yet to see anyone point out obvious flaws in the images suggesting they came from a film studio


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Daniel91 on December 29, 2014, 12:43:55 PM
Today, when spacecraft go to other planets in our solar system, and beyond, such question is meaningless.
Yes, of course, Neil Armstrong really went to moon :)
Next question is not whether but when a man go to mars!


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: protokol on December 29, 2014, 01:36:07 PM
Yes,we almost certainly went to the moon in 1969. I remember first hearing the conspiracy theories about 20 yrs ago; since then pretty much everything that they are based on has been wholly disproven.

As Foxpup says, the Russians would have been well on the case to check for deception, also the Americans left a range-finding mirror up there which can be detected by laser.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Lethn on December 29, 2014, 01:47:27 PM
Of course we really went to be moon. The evidence is right there in your post: "to be ahead of Russia". Guess what: Russia did not like the USA being ahead, which is why they were monitoring US space launches very closely. The could see the launches on radar and triangulate the radio signals once they were out of radar range. If there was any evidence at all of fakery, the Russians would have been the first to call bullshit. Yet that has not happened.

There is no better evidence or peer review than a hated enemy acknowledging something you've done ;)


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Krang on December 29, 2014, 02:09:27 PM
Do you believe in Moon landing conspiracy theories which claims that some or all elements of the Apollo program and the associated Moon landings were hoaxes staged by NASA


No, I don't believe it. There are plenty of facts and proofs of the moon landing or that we at least went there at some point.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: patt0 on December 29, 2014, 11:13:07 PM
Yes,we almost certainly went to the moon in 1969. I remember first hearing the conspiracy theories about 20 yrs ago; since then pretty much everything that they are based on has been wholly disproven.

As Foxpup says, the Russians would have been well on the case to check for deception, also the Americans left a range-finding mirror up there which can be detected by laser.

And they also left the lander, a moon rover, a flag, footsteps, etc xD
There is no reason not to believe they went to the moon in 1969, I think.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Lauda on December 29, 2014, 11:22:03 PM
Do you believe in Moon landing conspiracy theories which claims that some or all elements of the Apollo program and the associated Moon landings were hoaxes staged by NASA


No, I don't believe it. There are plenty of facts and proofs of the moon landing or that we at least went there at some point.
Such theories are dumb. If the images came from a studio, they could indeed fool people back then but couldn't fool people now.
The imaging has improved so much that we could easily spot elements which would point out that the images are fake.

I guess the majority of people will have to wait for commercial flights.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: toddtervy on December 29, 2014, 11:25:36 PM
Do you believe in Moon landing conspiracy theories which claims that some or all elements of the Apollo program and the associated Moon landings were hoaxes staged by NASA with the aid of other organizations to be ahead of russia?

I think so.  I've also heard that alternative conspiracy view, that it was all faked.  Things like that come about because the government's not very trustworthy.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Parazyd on December 29, 2014, 11:27:27 PM
One of the most amazing things humanity has achieved, and yet people refuse to believe it.
I really don't understand it.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Lauda on December 29, 2014, 11:30:11 PM
One of the most amazing things humanity has achieved, and yet people refuse to believe it.
I really don't understand it.
Well if we found Aliens, had real footage, what do you think would the denial rate be in %?
Probably all 'religious persons' would either deny it, relate it to Satan or whatever.
Humans are stupid. Humanity is ignorant.

Probably <10% people actually deserve to live.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: C10H15N on December 29, 2014, 11:59:38 PM
He walked on the moon, as did eleven others.

The latest entry: China's second lunar probe, Chang'e 2, which was launched in 2010 claims to have spotted traces of the Apollo landings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings





Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: patt0 on December 30, 2014, 12:07:12 AM
One of the most amazing things humanity has achieved, and yet people refuse to believe it.
I really don't understand it.
Well if we found Aliens, had real footage, what do you think would the denial rate be in %?
Probably all 'religious persons' would either deny it, relate it to Satan or whatever.
Humans are stupid. Humanity is ignorant.

Probably <10% people actually deserve to live.

Many times ignorance comes from people living in poverty and not having had the chance to have an education.
It's not as easy as saying most humans are stupid and deserve to die. : /


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Lauda on December 30, 2014, 07:31:37 AM
Many times ignorance comes from people living in poverty and not having had the chance to have an education.
It's not as easy as saying most humans are stupid and deserve to die. : /
Well since this is usually associated with the term 'stupid Americans' (obviously not all of them, but many examples can be found; no offence to anyone)..Do they not have access to (good) education?
Where I got my own education is a pretty bad place. Focused on history which is useless to me. So it doesn't necessarily come from that.
All one needs is internet to start expanding his views outside of his local community.

I've never even considered doubting the moon landing.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: hilariousandco on December 30, 2014, 07:43:01 AM
Seems we get one of these threads every once in awhile. Pretty sure this is at least the third but the last one had more in depth discussion.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Lethn on December 30, 2014, 07:44:58 AM
Many times ignorance comes from people living in poverty and not having had the chance to have an education.
It's not as easy as saying most humans are stupid and deserve to die. : /
Well since this is usually associated with the term 'stupid Americans' (obviously not all of them, but many examples can be found; no offence to anyone)..Do they not have access to (good) education?
Where I got my own education is a pretty bad place. Focused on history which is useless to me. So it doesn't necessarily come from that.
All one needs is internet to start expanding his views outside of his local community.

I've never even considered doubting the moon landing.

I know I bash Americans a lot ( Partly because it's just so funny seeing them riled :P ) but there are all kinds of adults who, honestly are quite often religious, that take this amazing pride in being stupid and wrong about something, it doesn't matter how completely wrong their belief is despite the amount of evidence piled up against them they somehow seem to think that it makes them look good to act like complete morons.

The only reason people point out the Americans a lot is because they're the ones who do a great job of being an example of this kind of behaviour.

. They believe the bible is literally true despite the evidence against them

. They think homosexuals are evil or there is something mentally wrong with them to be that way

. They think vaccinations cause brain damage

. They deny global warming exists

You get all kinds of stupid though from different countries, like I said, it's just Americans tend to exaggerate this stupidity to the extremes, the only other country I know that practices this kind of thing on such a massive scale is maybe Russia.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Lauda on December 30, 2014, 08:15:12 AM
I know I bash Americans a lot ( Partly because it's just so funny seeing them riled :P ) but there are all kinds of adults who, honestly are quite often religious, that take this amazing pride in being stupid and wrong about something, it doesn't matter how completely wrong their belief is despite the amount of evidence piled up against them they somehow seem to think that it makes them look good to act like complete morons.

The only reason people point out the Americans a lot is because they're the ones who do a great job of being an example of this kind of behaviour.

. They believe the bible is literally true despite the evidence against them

. They think homosexuals are evil or there is something mentally wrong with them to be that way

. They think vaccinations cause brain damage

. They deny global warming exists

You get all kinds of stupid though from different countries, like I said, it's just Americans tend to exaggerate this stupidity to the extremes, the only other country I know that practices this kind of thing on such a massive scale is maybe Russia.
What are you talking about. The summer wasn't hot at all, therefore global warming doesn't exist.  ::) :D
These things sometimes tend to be fun, but sometimes very sad.

For OP: Did Neil Armstrong really go to the moon?
Fixed.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Pierre11 on December 30, 2014, 08:20:15 AM
Yes of course he did.

Such theories of the moon landing being faked are thought up by some really dumb people (often Americans in their own country) to stir something up..


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Lethn on December 30, 2014, 08:38:12 AM
I know I bash Americans a lot ( Partly because it's just so funny seeing them riled :P ) but there are all kinds of adults who, honestly are quite often religious, that take this amazing pride in being stupid and wrong about something, it doesn't matter how completely wrong their belief is despite the amount of evidence piled up against them they somehow seem to think that it makes them look good to act like complete morons.

The only reason people point out the Americans a lot is because they're the ones who do a great job of being an example of this kind of behaviour.

. They believe the bible is literally true despite the evidence against them

. They think homosexuals are evil or there is something mentally wrong with them to be that way

. They think vaccinations cause brain damage

. They deny global warming exists

You get all kinds of stupid though from different countries, like I said, it's just Americans tend to exaggerate this stupidity to the extremes, the only other country I know that practices this kind of thing on such a massive scale is maybe Russia.
What are you talking about. The summer wasn't hot at all, therefore global warming doesn't exist.  ::) :D
These things sometimes tend to be fun, but sometimes very sad.

For OP: Did Neil Armstrong really go to the moon?
Fixed.

Like I said, they actually take pride in believing this bullshit, but there you go, stupid people will be stupid, in a way they are actually living proof of evolution because they don't use their brains as much as other human beings do and refuse to adapt.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Parazyd on December 30, 2014, 09:06:27 AM
Stupid is as stupid does.

What do you consider a stupid person?


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Slark on December 30, 2014, 09:13:00 AM
Stupidity is a curious term. We find stupid anything what is different from us and has different standards. Do we really deserve to judge others? We judge by our own standards after all.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Lethn on December 30, 2014, 09:21:56 AM
That's maybe what you numpties think is stupid, I personally view someone who ignores scientific, historical and mathematical fact as somebody who is stupid, because to be able to ignore all of that and be proud if it you really do have to be stupid.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Parazyd on December 30, 2014, 10:08:41 AM
That's maybe what you numpties think is stupid, I personally view someone who ignores scientific, historical and mathematical fact as somebody who is stupid, because to be able to ignore all of that and be proud if it you really do have to be stupid.

Nobody here ignores scientific, historic or math facts, and yet you call us stupid.
A person is entitled to their beliefs. What may seem stupid for one person, might not be for another person.

Definition of a stupid person, IIRC, is someone with low IQ. Yet in this world, trying to survive, would you call a (stereotypical) rural farmer stupid? Someone who can survive on their own, someone who can create fire?


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Lauda on December 30, 2014, 10:26:59 AM
That's maybe what you numpties think is stupid, I personally view someone who ignores scientific, historical and mathematical fact as somebody who is stupid, because to be able to ignore all of that and be proud if it you really do have to be stupid.

Nobody here ignores scientific, historic or math facts, and yet you call us stupid.
A person is entitled to their beliefs. What may seem stupid for one person, might not be for another person.

Definition of a stupid person, IIRC, is someone with low IQ. Yet in this world, trying to survive, would you call a (stereotypical) rural farmer stupid? Someone who can survive on their own, someone who can create fire?
Actually someone who has the same access to knowledge/information as me but ignores facts (just like Lethn said).
I'd put stupid and ignorant into the same basket if you ask me.

There is a difference in: having different beliefs and having a wrong beliefs.
What would you consider a person who's only interests are: (typical example of the new generation) Facebook, Instagram, Retrica, eat, get drunk, sleep --> repeat.. if not stupid, then smart?  :D


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Lethn on December 30, 2014, 10:41:51 AM
That's maybe what you numpties think is stupid, I personally view someone who ignores scientific, historical and mathematical fact as somebody who is stupid, because to be able to ignore all of that and be proud if it you really do have to be stupid.

Nobody here ignores scientific, historic or math facts, and yet you call us stupid.
A person is entitled to their beliefs. What may seem stupid for one person, might not be for another person.

Definition of a stupid person, IIRC, is someone with low IQ. Yet in this world, trying to survive, would you call a (stereotypical) rural farmer stupid? Someone who can survive on their own, someone who can create fire?
Actually someone who has the same access to knowledge/information as me but ignores facts (just like Lethn said).
I'd put stupid and ignorant into the same basket if you ask me.

There is a difference in: having different beliefs and having a wrong beliefs.
What would you consider a person who's only interests are: (typical example of the new generation) Facebook, Instagram, Retrica, eat, get drunk, sleep --> repeat.. if not stupid, then smart?  :D

I've seen people on this forum ingore scientific or historical fact on a regular basis, even outright deny it, a lot of them end up on my ignore list because there's no point in even associating with people like that since they don't pay any attention to logic. Let me put it this way, it's the equivalent of if there was some kind of heavy object hurtling towards you about to hit you and then you claiming that because you say so it isn't going to harm you in any way, more often than not they will likely claim God will protect them and of course if someone went and stopped the object from hitting them in the face rather than thanking the person they'll go and claim it as a confirmation of their belief.

People in particular who ignore the laws of physics in particular are going to end up proving Darwinism to everyone around them one day.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: TinEye on December 30, 2014, 11:03:02 AM
Do you believe in Moon landing conspiracy theories which claims that some or all elements of the Apollo program and the associated Moon landings were hoaxes staged by NASA with the aid of other organizations to be ahead of russia?

Safe to say none of us have enough data to make an educated judgement. Till anyone reveals concrete information, it is pointless speculating. It only degenerates to petty arguments (see above).


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Lauda on December 30, 2014, 11:04:11 AM
Safe to say none of us have enough data to make an educated judgement. Till anyone reveals concrete information, it is pointless speculating. It only degenerates to petty arguments (see above).
Petty? Please educate yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rock


I've seen people on this forum ingore scientific or historical fact on a regular basis, even outright deny it, a lot of them end up on my ignore list because there's no point in even associating with people like that since they don't pay any attention to logic. Let me put it this way, it's the equivalent of if there was some kind of heavy object hurtling towards you about to hit you and then you claiming that because you say so it isn't going to harm you in any way, more often than not they will likely claim God will protect them and of course if someone went and stopped the object from hitting them in the face rather than thanking the person they'll go and claim it as a confirmation of their belief.

People in particular who ignore the laws of physics in particular are going to end up proving Darwinism to everyone around them one day.
Like I said, the same people have the same access to the same information that you and me do.
If they had not, it would be acceptable.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: BADecker on December 30, 2014, 03:31:36 PM
Germany had the technology to do it back in WWII. If the Germans had not been involved in the War, and if they had put their minds to it like the put their minds to the War, they would have had people on the moon way back then.

This brings us to what the question should really be: Do we have secret bases on the back side of the moon right now? The technology is easily available. If it weren't, Spaceship 1 would never have been able to make it to space so inexpensively.

:)


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: BTCXE on December 30, 2014, 04:58:52 PM
@OP No, Lance did


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Parazyd on December 30, 2014, 05:07:28 PM
http://media.veryfunnypics.eu/2013/05/funny-pictures-i-was-the-second-man-on-the-moon-neil-before-me.jpg


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Pastafarian on December 30, 2014, 05:28:31 PM

Lol


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: JohnnyBTCSeed on December 30, 2014, 05:29:20 PM
Has anyone been to the moon recently? Why not? Is it to boring?


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Parazyd on December 30, 2014, 05:33:53 PM
Has anyone been to the moon recently? Why not? Is it to boring?


Bitcoin's going to the moon!


... aaaand thread derailed.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Lauda on December 30, 2014, 05:49:41 PM
Has anyone been to the moon recently? Why not? Is it to boring?

Why would anyone go up there again?
It's not like it has any valuable resources to make it worth it. That's how your governments are thinking, which is dumb.

Why should we colonize Mars if we can't find a ton of gold/diamonds on it?  :D


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: JohnnyBTCSeed on December 30, 2014, 05:52:49 PM
Has anyone been to the moon recently? Why not? Is it to boring?


Bitcoin's going to the moon!


... aaaand thread derailed.

How far into space have humans gone recently? I wish to jump like kangaroo on this " moon".

I am glad that the van Allan radiation belt will not fry my body. Those lying Russians claimed they never went to moon cause radiation would fry them. Ha. Obviously false. Many folks visit moon to jump like kangaroo.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: JohnnyBTCSeed on December 30, 2014, 06:15:34 PM
I guess I'll just answer my question. It is very expensive for us americans to take care of all you ungrateful unrully peoples of the planet. If y'all would just settle down we could go back to the moon instead of spending our hard earned dollars on justice drones.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on December 30, 2014, 06:28:44 PM
https://simonsblogpark.com/onlinegambling/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/bitcoin_litecoin_casino_gambling.gif

as you can see here, yes.


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Foxpup on December 31, 2014, 12:42:05 AM
Has anyone been to the moon recently? Why not? Is it to boring?
"I've always regretted [sending men to the moon]. Nothing there but dry rocks and those revolting onion men."
-- Richard Nixon (in Futurama)

Seriously though, there's pretty much nothing of any value on the moon. There really is nothing but rocks up there, and the rocks themselves don't contain any especially valuable ores. The only thing I can think of is that the far side of the moon is the one place in the solar system that's permanently shielded from terrestrial EM emissions. This obviously makes it the ideal location for a radio telescope, but there's probably all kinds of other scientific research that could benefit from such an environment too. But other than that, I can't imagine a single worthwhile reason to go back to the moon.

(Right now, at least. Mining the moon for materials for space station construction etc. is a distant possibility (it takes a lot less energy to move mass into Earth orbit from the moon than from Earth), but we don't have the infrastructure for that yet.)


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 31, 2014, 04:03:45 AM

Fake, because I no see no Doge dog aliens coming over the hill in the upper left-hand corner. (hint!)

<or Doge dog peeing on Eagle, of which would be so WOW! too>


Title: Re: did neil armstrong really went to moon?
Post by: hangar18 on December 31, 2014, 04:18:05 AM
Documentary - Moon Landing Hoax - Conspiracy Theory ...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1CpNoI4WGc