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I shall call this one, Formula #1.  This is an aggressive formula designed for hard to very hard water.  A mixed powder for low cost shipping, with no fillers.  Very concentrated, mildly toxic if ingested.  Keep away from children, seriously.

I'm offering seven free samples of this new product to the first seven posters in this thread, with the following qualfications....

1)  Must have a post count over 250 and must have been a member of this forum prior to January 1st, 2012

2)  Must be willing to post a review of the product in this thread.

3)  Must be willing to accept the risk of trying a new product.

4)  Cannot be from the same city as those posters prior to yourself.

5)  Should not be accepted by members who live in a household with anyone with sensitive skin.

6)  Should not be accepted by members who live in a household with an infant for the same reason.

7)  Be an adult, think this through.  If in doubt, let someone else test & review the product.

8.)  Must be willing to send me your mailing address via PM, obviously.

9)  Must be located withing the 48 continous United States.  Sorry, no international shipping.  Sorry to all members from Hawaii & Alaska

Thank you,

The Bitcoin Chemist

Does this work with HE washers?

And my 28 days, 21 Hours of time logged since I have been here 1+ year better count.

I don't know because I don't have a HE washer.  Are you talking about a frontloader?


Since you are the first to show any interest, sure.

I'll edit the OP to reflect the changes.

Please post your home city, so that I can track that as well.

ill try it

I'll need a PM with your mailing address, please.

And that makes my fifth post, so I should be able to read those PM's soon as well.

I want to try, I will pm you now.  Please label the product so no one wonders what this strange powder being shipped is.

Send me a PM with your address, please.

I can't really do that.  I can only put my real return address on the outer envelope.  The sample will come in a small envelope inside a regular mailing envelope.

Just label the smaller envelope inside.  Just so someone else doesn't open it and get freaked out by some mysterious powder in the mail.

Why should it matter? Even if it gets intercepted for having mysterious powder in it I am sure it smells like cleaning detergent when you open it... Not like its going to come in a vacuum sealed smelly proof packaging looking suspicious. I would almost think "DETERGENT" on the bag would make it look sketchier. Just my 2 cents. 

I wasn't thinking for officials intercepting it, more like my wife.

Here's and idea.  Tell her it's coming.

Two samples have been claimed, while five remain.

used mine today, worked as it should, smelled pretty nice too. depending on the price i would consider ordering a full order in the future. would be helpful to include ingredients, not the ratios of them, just whats in it for safety reasons.

That smell is just the smell of clean, as there are no perfumes.

I suppose the safety reasons are valid.
For the record, this forumula has exactly 5 ingredients, all of which are active.
In no particular order....

(real) lye soap

sodium-chloride

sodium-carbonite

sodium-tetraborate

sodium-triphosphate.

All four sodiums are white powders, while the soap looks like shredded American cheese.

I'd be willing to try it if there are still samples.

"1)  Must have a post count over 250 and must have been a member of this forum prior to January 1st, 2012"

Damn, quickly, I must post 3 more times!

PM me your address, please; and I'll send one out next chance I get.

Bump.

I'd like to try it but my wife has very sensitive skin so I know it's unlikely I'd ever purchase any.

Probably wise.  Like I said, this is strong stuff that cannot be found on the retail market anymore.

I hope you mean sodium carbonate, not sodium carbonite which is an explosive!

Are you still sending out samples? I would like to try a bit.

PM me.

Yes, sorry.  Sodium Carbonate, otherwise known as washing soda.


PM me with your address.

I did receive my sample. I'm still waiting for my fiance to do laundry with it.

The sample smells really good actually. I like the smell better than other laundry detergent smells.

If it cleans as well as it smells, I might just have to order a couple cases of the stuff.  8)

I owe TheBitcoinChemist a big apology for how long it has taken me to post here.  I received my sample and it smelled great.  I heald off using it for a while being a skeptic and not wanting to ruin any of my nicer clothes, but when I used it, it worked great.  I think he has done a solid here and created a real good product.  Thanks for the test sample and thank you for your patience in my response.  Clothes smelled good too after using too.

+1

I used it. It works great. It does smell REALLY good in the packaging. My clothes just went through the washer, not the dryer yet. My fiance did make the mistake of having the washer on 'cold' instead of hot, but it still managed to clean all my clothes in there. I'm very impressed with this and am willing to buy some more :)

What prices are you looking for?

Ah, therein lies the rub.  I haven't figured all that out, but I have to admit it's unlikely that I can get the costs comparable with a commercial product you can find at Wal-Mart, considering the additional costs of shipping involved.  The stuff is concentrated, as the sample size for one full load is only 2 tablespoons (one fluid ounce); but I haven't yet figured out the best way to ship it.

EDIT: I'm certainly willing to accept advice concerning the best method of shipping.

Flat rate if you can manage, maybe an envelope if you are sure as hell it will not leak. Maybe Shipwire might be helpful if you need to get it to a lot of places fast.

Alright, I've been neglecting my business here too long.  So far, I have made exactly one batch, from which a few samples have been sent.  I have taken the remainder of that batch, and poured it into a cleaned & dried plastic coffee can.  The large size you can get from Sam's Club.  It's not quite full.  I've taped it up, and intend to weigh it.  I'm not sure exactly how much a fluid ounce (one washload) of this mixed power actually weighs, but I intend to offer it at the BTC equal to 20 cents per ounce or actual shipping costs, whichever is greater.  This is a little more than what Gain costs per washload at my local WalMart; but 1) I think my stuff is better (although I might be biased) and 2) there is bound to be more washloads than ounces.  If it all works out okay, I'm going to start ordering my materials in more economical volumes; as well as work on a dishwasher formula.

Are home detergents regulated by the FDA (in the US)?

I don't mean to throw any unwarranted suspicion upon your product, I'm just wondering if anyone, historically, has had any issues with homemade concoctions made by unqualified individuals.

I'd buy some to try whenever you get around to it.

You could make a small fortune selling "illegal" dishwasher detergent with phosphates in it.

I don't meet the post count stipulation but I would be willing to try this in my HE (high efficiency) washer and report back.

Asked previously, HE washer is this:
http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-an-high-efficiency-washing-machine.htm

Normally needs "special" detergent to avoid suds which don't get cleaned off the clothes due to the different agitation, and your washer will get smelly over time if you use regular stuff.

I'm sorry.  I forgot about this.  You'll be at the top of my list as soon as I make another batch.  Assuming that I do.

Okay.  Fully wrapped and ready to ship, the remainder of my first batch weighs 4.52 pounds.  I checked the major package shippers' websites for quotes, using my own zip code and one chosen for California to get an idea how much it would cost to ship.  The cheapest quote that I could get was from UPS Ground for $17.62, but my prior statement about costs says that 4.5 pounds works out to be $14.40, so the actual cost of shipping is going to be the minimum and I'd certainly be taking a loss at anything under a $25 sale.  So it looks like I can't compete here with the cost of shipping, which is what I was afraid of.

If anyone is willing to pay 2.5 BTC for my remainder of a batch, just let me know.  Otherwise I'm just going to use it myself.

As someone who knows his soap history, I can say this is very true!

Phosphate-based soaps were banned for causing algae blooms (and other environmental problems) and nothing since has worked as well.

Thinking about it, perhaps using old washing-machine water (with phosphates) in a greywater system, would make excellent water for plants!  :o

I am aware of the value of phosphates.  The real question is the bitcoin community aware of the value of phosphates, because they aren't cheap and they aren't in any residential/retail cleaning products (in any significant concentration) anymore.  That is what I'm competing with, BTW.  If the bitcoin community wants phosphates in their clothes detergent, I have that; and if the bitcoin community wants phosphates in their dishwashing detergent, I can do that too.   As I said before, my detergent has five ingredients, all of which serve a particular purpose and only one of which is actual soap.

How much do you think you could fit in a Medium or Large flat rate USPS Priority Mail box?

I agree with this guy. Have you checked the "If it fits if ships" boxes?

https://www.prioritymail.com/flatrates.asp

$15.45 for the largest box. Also, the boxes are free at the USPS (you can even have them dropped off at your house for free). It ships priority, which at it's slowest is 5 business days domestic.

I am more interested in being able to boycott Walmart or other retailers along with the banking system and credit cards than save a few pennies.

Plus, my cups all have scum on them unless I wash by hand because the dishwasher detergent does not actually clean!

I'll see what I can come up with, and I'm certain that a powdered dishwasher detergent would be much more economical to ship; both because it requires even less per load and because I think that I can make it even more concentrated than the clothes detergent, due to the fact that a couple of those sodiums serve no purpose in a dishwasher.  As long as I don't need to substitute other ingredients, I can make this stuff very concentrated.

Yes, I have.  They don't really offer any advantage, because the powder is relatively light and volumous.

Color me interested.  If it works better than Tide, then I know my wife would like it.  So, what's the cost per load at 2 tbsp per load?

Definately works better than Tide.


Quite a bit more than Tide.

After reading this thread, I started looking up the phosphate issue and ordered a batch of "bubble bandit" with phosphates. I believe soaps with phosphates would be a perfect product for the libertarian minded bitcoin community.

If you make up a batch of dishwasher / laundry / ??? detergent with phosphates, put me down for a large order.

I already had phosphates in my clothes detergent.  Did you want the remainder of the batch?

Phosphates are expensive, not only in production but also in cleanup. They need to be removed from the wastewater, or they will disrupt the phosphor cycle and cause eutrophication. Admittedly, the phosphates contained in laundry detergent are unlikely to cause a major issue, being dwarfed by phosphate mining and water purification.

I believe the environmental concern is the reason recent editions of Tide have elected against phosphate use, and phosphate laundry powders need to be hunted down in retail stores (once, they were ubiquitous).

If you actually believe this crap, then don't buy my products.  As you already have acknowledged, the residential contributions of phosphates to wastewater systems is miniscule; particularly as compared to what industry does, and industry isn't limited in this regard.  I should know, since I use industrial chemicals to create my products, bought legally & without restrictions within the commercial/industrial cleaning products market.  The big complaint about phosphates is that there is some evidence that phosphates favor the growth of freshwater alge (pond scum), thus negatively affecting the habitats of fish.  This has nominally zero bearing on the environment, unless you happen to be directly dumping your wastewater into streams untreated; which is and has been a crime anywhere in the US for at least 80 years.  And if you are doing any such thing, there are many other things more hazardous to fish in there than phosphates.  If you use a municipal treatment plant, they artificially create conditions ideal for either anarobic or arobic breakdown; which happen to be conditions ideal for the growth of pod scum anyway.  If you live in the countryside and depend upon an individual system, they all pretty much do the same thing on a more local scale.  By the time the water leaves the system, it's oxygenated and not at all harmful for fish; even if the levels of phosphates that you use in you dishwasher or washing machine were not increadiblely diluted just by the amount of water you flush down your California approved toilet.

There will be phostphates in my formulas.  It does wonders for the dard water problem that aaffects just about every American household that is not within 100 miles of the West Coast.