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I sell Starbucks cards on this forum. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935502

Wardrick pm'ed about wanting me to send him 5 cards first since he is a "hero" and deserves everything to be his way or no way so I sent him 5 cards first (even though I state I dont send first on my sale post) and trusted him without escrow. Well I wish I didn't do that because he is such an asshole and pain in the ass.

Below is the messages I received from him. After I sent him 5 cards, I repeatedly demanded him to send me $110 for what he owes and he responded in the messages below.

http://s16.postimg.org/e2wdo9okx/wardrick.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/e2wdo9okx/)

Below are the cards I sent him, it has been redeemed and emptied out on the day he got the cards.

http://s24.postimg.org/6aa9g4jdt/code_numbers.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/6aa9g4jdt/)

When he sent me a message today saying he had problems with his cards, I went back and checked to see what was wrong with them. NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THEM. Cards are still in working condition and emptied out. Many of you guys know starbucks cards run into a lot of issues and get zereoed out quickly. When it gets zereoed, the card itself is not working and is invalid with red letters. However in this case the cards I gave him are still valid and shows up as working.

Below are all the transaction history of all the cards I sent him with today's date and time stamped on it.

http://s24.postimg.org/gr45nomjl/3_cards.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/gr45nomjl/)

http://s13.postimg.org/vazifl8k3/2_cards.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/vazifl8k3/)

The last 4 digits match with 5 cards he got. Cards are emptied out on the date I sent him on the 26th and is still in working condition. He promised me he would pay me once he uses up the cards.  Well...the cards has been used up and I still didn't get my $110 back...

I think one of the issues here is that there was a severe lack of communication regarding payment details before you sent the codes. Assuming the only messages Wardrick sent you are the ones you have posted, I'm not surprised that he hasn't paid you. "Interested" does not mean the same thing as "please send me the codes and I will pay you immediately". You put him in a difficult situation by preemptively sending them, I'm sure he would have explained his payment plan beforehand if you had done more than just send the codes after one vague PM. This is all assuming there aren't additional PMs between you two.

It looks like you sent him something without discussing terms. If you were expecting to receive money immidiatly then you should have specified as much. He did offer to disregard the codes so you could sell them yourself.

If there is really no problem with any of the codes then you should have no issues with reselling them yourself.

Yes, I realized I sent him without discussing further into details but the point is he redeemed them and emptied out all of the cards I sent him and told me he would pay me when he sees the cards are working and use them up. So... it's been all used and I'm still not paid ???

I pm'ed him the next morning I would take them back but he used them up and I cant resell empty cards.

And you can't take back codes in gitcard business for obvious reasons.

If the gift cards were redeemed it is really your word against his as to who redeemed them.

A better practice would be have to transferred the balance to a newly generated card number sent to his email by Starbucks

Well, I have all the evidence to back my claims. Wardrick is PMing in private and not confronting in public because he knows he used up the cards and emptied them

he did use the balance. I pm'ed the next morning to tell him I want to take my cards back but he said he used them all up

Post screenshots of those PMs. If he already used them, there is no reason why he shouldn't have paid.

Interesting: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=85316 - Shows "This user's password was reset recently." - Possibly a hacked account? Maybe someone could get him to verify this is him or leave negative feedback to protect others in case of a hacked account.

None of your screen shots reflect either of these messages. In fact the messages that you have shown reflect the opposite of that.

January 26, 2015, 01:33:02 PM - Wardrick - password reset via email and January 26, 2015, 08:40:01 PM - Wardrick - password reset via email from the seclog. Assuming the OP is using the default timezone, it seems Wardrick was in control of his account when he sent these PMs (although the hacker might have redeemed the codes after gaining access to his account).

Stealing stolen goods... Oh boy.

First of all, you never told me you created this thread. Secondly, you sent me the codes without confirming any information, I told you about four times to take them back and then once you see that I had used them, you message me and say you won't take them back. I told you over and over again that you're trading on my terms if you're going to send something to me without discussing the details. I've been buying gift cards for awhile and I'm not about to be flagged for using illegal gift cards and the order was cancelled and the funds should be back on the card if they were obtained legally, which looking at how you've acted I highly doubt. There's not really much else to say, you're just a scammer looking to make a quick buck and that gets mad when he can't.

Edit 2/1: Here's all the proof:

http://imgur.com/de5Q9sW
http://imgur.com/XA8zJJI
http://imgur.com/KKpjUpK

a user can be changed. I do not know why the people are screaming on forum. do you really think that something it will happen?

Either way you knew what these cards were and went forth with using them and emptied them out. You went forth with ordering stuff just in case you actually get something ordered to you. At the end of the day, these cards were redeemed and emptied out by you. I am left with 5 cards with $0 balances and not paid still. These cards are still valid and not closed so it is still in working condition.

No I didn't message you when I saw you used them up. I checked first and saw all the balances were still there and I message you to tell you I wanted them back but 5 hours later you used them.

And you've been buying gift cards for a while and this is your first time buying starbucks gift cards? Yea that's very believable

This is everything what happened:

Wardrick sent me a message:  "Hi I'm interested in $500 Starbucks, you can check my threads and decide whether or not you want to send the codes first. I don't use escrow for code trades. Thanks"

Yes, I sent him 5 cards first without discussing anything into details but he initiated by saying he wanted 5 cards and want me to send him the code first. So I checked his reputation and sent him codes first.

Then we argued back and forth about payment and came to conclusion that he will pay me once he use up the cards.
20 hours later, I changed my mind to tell him I will take my cards back but he was offline at this point and I noticed 5 hours later it has been redeemed. So at this point I expected him to pay me since the cards has been redeemed and emptied out.

In short words, he took my cards, redeemed them and emptied all $500 and left me hanging without payment. He used them up before the cards closed down or came to any problems so in the end he credited out $500 and did not pay me. This isnt a matter of if cards are legit or not. He used up all the balances and didn't pay.

so either get me 5 cards with $100 in each or pay me $110

So you are admitting that the gift cards are carded?

There is no reason why he would owe you money if he tried to redeem them for actual goods but was unable to do so. When you are selling a $500 gift card it is implied that the purchaser would be able to buy $500 worth of merchandize from the store the gift card is for

While there are a number of differences...
Wardrick = KingOfSports
jamesphamm33 = BigBitz

Why does it take 5 days to use the codes?  Place your order online at starbucks.com, or go to the store, get new cards, buy them with these cards.

Either way, you shouldn't hold this guys payment hostage for 5 days.  If you wnted to wait until you ordered and the items shipped, then that is reasonable.  But 5 days?  Thats a little outlandish.

I am not judging either of you, I don't know either of you, and the OP shouldn't have just made the assumption he was getting paid instantly, especially when he just sent codes.  On the same hand, when Wardrick transferred balances, he was basically saying he wanted them.  Maybe Wardrick can place his order, so that OP can be paid, or OP can be called out that the codes did not work, instead of waiting to use them?  

2.953% of scammers drink coffee....but 94.934% own starbucks cards, haha (Sorry, had to percentages in there to follow the theme)

Where the hell would you get that assumption from? Spam.

@rockminer I was just using it as an example as sometimes in order for the order to go through it can take up to that long. I've never held a payment for that long as I use the codes immediately and is usually the day or day after unless something like this happens.

@quickseller exactly, there's not any reason to send a payment for something that's invalid. basically like selling a car for $1000 and not saying there's anything wrong with it and it breaks down the next day because it's a piece of junk with broken parts.

This is just a sad attempt of trying to lie to twist the story to try to get money. I can provide all the proof for this trade, however I don't think its really necessary to waste the time as its already pretty clear what this low life is trying to do.

Both sides are "right" with this accusation. If someone is asking about your gift cards, you don't immediately send over the code and demand a payment. Its like visiting an open-house, and then giving you the keys to the house and calling you a scammer if you don't pay it back. On the other hand (I haven't been following really this thread so I don't know if this was answered), if you empty the balance after he sends it to you, and you don't pay for it, its not fair to the seller.

LOL

In the end, YOU used my cards and emptied them out. And stop accusing me of lying. I didn't lie about anything here or twist anything. I provided everything here and you didnt. You owe me 5 $100 cards back or $110BTC.

@Quickseller, stop spamming in my post. You have your own issues you need to take care of. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741302.0
And stay out of it. Its very clear you and Wardrick are butt buddies on this forum and kiss each other's assholes lmao

@Wardrick Stop using the "Oh, the cards were fraudulent, so I'm not paying you. etc etc." You used up my cards and all those cards are empty now. So I am left with 5 empty cards and a loss of $110.  I never stated if cards were legitimate or not on my sale post. And this isnt a matter of if the cards are legitimate cards or not. YOU USED UP ALL THE BALANCES ON MY CARD AND DIDNT PAY ME. We came to an agreement you will pay me once you use up the cards after arguing about payment. So now the cards has been used up by you and I still didn't get paid. It's simple as that. Stop bringing up the legitimacy of cards to get out of paying $110. The cards I sold you worked and credited out.

And fuck you for leaving me negative feedback. That's a clear example of the abuse of the trust system on this forum. lol. You are the scumbag here not me. Im left hanging without my money and a negative feedback by this scumbag. Just great

LOL
Yea, very clear you guys are butt fucking buddies licking each other's butthole.

Quickseller 0: -0 / +6(6)   2015-01-30   0.00000000      tried to scam Wardrick by selling him carded starbucks gift cards then demanding payment prior to being able to receive goods from them
Wardrick -1: -1 / +5(5)   2015-01-29   0.00000000      Admittedly selling stolen goods trying to pawn them off as legitimate. Liar and Scum bag.

I didn't scam or lie anything here? Wardrick is scamming me by not holding up to his agreement.

It's not that you are the same people but similar situation.

BigBitz sent KingOfSports bitcoins, KOS claims there were not terms so refuses to send them back, people call KOS a scammer

james sent giftcards to Ward, Ward claims there were no terms refuses to send bitcoin, james calls Ward a scammer

Wardrick, you thought they were legit starbucks cards? Come on man....

So to sum things up: jamesphamm33 sent cards to Wardrick even though there were no terms. Wardrick used or cancelled the cards and refuses to pay. Why not just ignore the PMs and not use the cards period? Am I missing something here?

I think it would be more accurate to say that Wardrick expressed interest in the gift cards and then jamesphamm33 immediately sent the codes to him. No deal was made, no terms were negotiated. jamesphamm33 was clearly trying to get rid of the codes as quickly as possible and apparently forgot to include a clause that he would receive funds immediately for stolen gift cards.

can't you settle this on phone instead of forums?:)

Wardrick youre the low-life scum here
Youre making things difficult and twisting things around to avoid paying me $110 or at least return 5 $100 cards?
Im not even a scammer. You took my product and used it and if you aren't going to pay for it then at least return them back in the same condition.

and fuck you and quickseller for abusing the trust system by ganging up on me and leaving me negative feedbacks

@Quickseller why dont you go use your original account instead of using shill accounts?


needFREElunch
All of a sudden this account decides to comment on this post after 25 days of inactivity lol? I dont think the real person of this account is interested in this case because from looking at previous posts, he/she is only interested about mining and bitcoin price since he/she registered.

Very obvious lmao

Another shill account of yours
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=331100

I wonder how many other shills you got here and posted on here to defend your butthole fucking buddy Wardrick.

You assume that I am using shill accounts whenever anyone disagrees with you.

I would ask why you created a brand new account to sell carded Starbucks gift cards. Why don't you use your "main" account?

LOOL BURNNN.


I would agree with Wardrick in this situation. phamm didn't even tell of the payments whatsoever. Looks like he went first and somewhat for free.


Then again, he carded those starbucks cards so they really weren't worth anything anyways.

The scenario that came to mind was: Wardrick contacts the guy selling the Starbucks giftcards. Wardrick knows that the cards are carded but proceeds to buy them anyways. Gets the cards, cashes them out, then comes back to bitcointalk to claim that they were carded. Now OP is being attacked by people who do not like carding. Now, the OP must suffer while Wardrick is out flashing around his newfound $500 wealth of Starbucks.

OR Wardrick is really naive and thought that they were legit. Now he is coming back to report that the cards were carded.

@Quickseller Theres a reason to believe they are shill accounts since you possess multiple accounts on this forum. I even pointed out the obvious evidence. lol


@Somekindabitcoin We came to terms after arguing about payment? Go look at the screenshot before commenting. Are you another Wardricks butthole licker? lmao


Wardrick's prime business on here is buying and selling giftcards...so I'm very confident he's not really naive about gift cardslol

I am still wanting to know why you aren't using your "main" account to sell the gift cards

what do you mean by main account?
so you do own the other two accounts on here.

this is obviously not the primary nor the oldest account that you own here. What is your older account?

Wardrick claims the cards were cancelled. OP, can you prove that the cards were drained? If so, Wardrick loses. If you cannot show proof of the cards being drained, then you lose.

The cards being used have nothing to do with it. There's a reason the order got cancelled in the first place.

The cards been used and emptied out. You credited $500 out

Did you drain the funds off of the cards? If so, you owe OP.

New members should be aware of higher ranking member, because these higher ranking user name can be bought out for scamming purposes.

plot twist. Maybe Quickseller owns Wardrick? lol Wouldn't be suprised

Why don't you reveal your other accounts to me? (you can send me a PM if you want - I won't tell anyone that shouldn't know if you send it privately).

It's funny how certain members here are allowed to sell carded starbucks cards but newbies get negged rep right away. You guys do know that most if not all newbies are reselling cards they bought to make a profit? Same as a few other older members here....

Let's start just buying up cards, cancel them and tell the reseller to basically go fuck himself. Will be interesting to see what you guys have to say when this happens to an older more reputable member that is selling the same cards.

I doubt a reputable member would be treated any differently. Sending a product that doesn't work to someone and demanding a payment for it is scamming. Also I don't think any reputable member would just send off something, demand immediate payment, refuse to take it back (starbucks has an app where you can just transfer the balance to another card), especially after repeatedly asking him to . Poor decision on my part to continue with the trade and the seller has a bad attitude and is dishonest which made it worse. Its hard to deal with someone with this kind of approach while trying to provide good customer service, reputable member or not. 

Now you are changing your story? I sent you a product that doesnt work? Im dishonest with bad attitude? Show me where I lied because I can  pull up every PM between me and you to prove that you are the scumbag lying piece of shit on this forum who think you can do anything just because you are a "hero".

I gave you cards with $500 balances on it and you credited them out.
Stop trying to change the story to make yourself a victim here to avoid paying me $110.

You scammed me here by taking my $500 cards and not paying me. You owe me either $110btc or 5 $100 cards. Its simple as that.

Sorry James for your loss. I can tell you right now he is not going to pay up. Unfortunately for you James, Wardrick is a high ranking member here with a lot of power. Enough power to destroy your reputation with ease. Wardrick should address whether or not he removed the funds off of the cards or if they were cancelled. If he drained the funds, he owes you. If the cards got cancelled before he could drain them, then he owes you nothing. We need that question answered to decide who is in the wrong. Regardless, carding is never right but he did know what he was getting himself into. After all, he buys/sells giftcards and even has a thread dedicated to doing so.

I think the confusion is that Wardrick is changing the way he is describing what happened. This is so that someone who did not understand the first time would better understand when reading the 2nd description, as if he were to just repeat himself then someone who doesn't understand the first time wouldn't understand the 2nd time. The story has however stayed the same.

https://i.imgur.com/5siKDKA.png

Why does it say you cancelled the order?

I was curious about that also.

thats the email Starbucks sends when the CUSTOMER requests cancellation.  The additional part about funds being not readily refunded is what they ALWAYS say.  It takes a little time for it to refund, it is not instant.

It is way too easy for someone to take funds and transfer to another card.  This is why Wardrick should not have ever used them at all if he wasnt going to pay.  Some things you can wait until items ship or what not....starbucks cards are different, because you can transfer between cards, etc.  It just gets way too easy to get fucked, both ways (not saying I am siding with anyone)

I dont know why, the order was just cancelled and I received that message. Probably because they're stolen gift cards.

Then wouldn't it say "sorry we had to cancel your order" not "sorry you cancelled your order" ?

Original agreement was "I use the codes and send you the money." Check in screenshots on first page.
Well you used up the code and you did not send me money. You are twisting things around by saying the cards never worked to remove yourself from paying me money. The cards worked. If it never worked then it would be invalid and closed out.
Also, I never admitted that they're stolen. In fact, I don't know the source of them. I just resell them. You scammed and left me out of my money and 5 cards.

Those kinds of emails are sent via automation and are on templates. I would speculate that they do not cancel orders often enough so that they have a stolen gift card template, either that or when funds are taken from gift cards (due to the funds were on there fraudulently), it triggers some condition that makes their automation think the customer canceled the order

I am almost 100% sure they have an email that goes out saying they cannot fulfill your order and there was a problem with your payment method. 

Source:  Had a card reversed on me before.

Why don't you show what that email looks like?

Ok, you're probably right about the automation Quickseller, but if the cards are cancelled they should have a zero balance right?

I noticed card 0933 only spent $99.67 as shown in OP's screenshot and sure enough it still has $0.33 on it

https://i.imgur.com/fidpUPt.png

https://i.imgur.com/EYM1DAv.png

Hey you Wardrick's butthole licker.

I used these cheap cards to order online before and got items to test to see if it works online. I can go find the invoice on my email and match with the cards I used which is invalid now to prove that these cards work. There is no triggering or automatic system. Only way orders get canceled is if the cards gets invalid.
If your speculation was true then hundreds of other cards used in person in store will be triggered too and canceled then?

Your post and other post on here are soo irrelevant and serves as spams.

I do see that. I don't have an explanation for the $0.33, although I also don't know how exactly the loading of balances works. It looks like there were 4 $25 transactions to load the funds onto the card. If Starbucks only allows for one payment method for each "reload" then this is defiantly suspicious. However if they allow customers to split the payment (e.g. paying $20 in cash and $5 with their credit card.....or $24.67 on their credit card and $0.33 in cash - or $20 on one credit card and $5 on another, or $20 with their credit card and $5 from a refund), then it is possible that the $0.33 is simply the only portion that is not stolen funds.

Just shut up and stop licking his butthole lol

If cards has been flagged for fraudulent activities then all the cards should have been closed out and invalid but in fact they are all active and open.(Just checked all of them and all of them are active). Starbucks wouldn't keep the cards open if it has been flagged for fraud.

Edit: Proves order was NOT canceled due to fraudulent activity if it was then all the cards should be closed and the balance couldn't be checked

This should have came up with all the cards if it was rejected and flagged for fraud
http://s2.postimg.org/k48p5rait/invalid.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/k48p5rait/)

Here's a link to a forum where someone bought a gift card from ebay, added it to their existing card that they've used for a while and say StarBucks cancelled the entire card and all funds. When they spoke with a manager about getting their legitimate balance back they said only if a receipt could be provided for every balance added. Seems StarBucks cancels everything if one bad cards slips in.


http://forum.purseblog.com/ebay-forum/bought-a-starbucks-giftcard-from-ebay-and-starbucks-863611.html

Your personal attacks make me think that you both knew the cards would have their balance reversed and are trying to scam.

I am not sure why you are trying to pass something off as fact when you do not provide any evidence to back up your claims. Do you have any evidence of this? Do you work for starbucks?

I would think they would allow the cards to remain open myself, as why would they close the cards if only some of the funds were put onto the cards fraudulently? If a card has a $500 balance but only $25 were put onto the card via a stolen credit card, wouldn't it be stealing if they took the entire $500 balance (assuming the $475 was put on via legit means)?

Every PM you sent me:
http://imgur.com/UmFtHdN
http://imgur.com/l7sW7gY
http://imgur.com/RN0gmkh

Response:
http://imgur.com/zquVVp8
http://imgur.com/cNXZB2w
http://imgur.com/Fg9qT1h
http://imgur.com/3kdmOWY
http://imgur.com/gsVhvwK
http://imgur.com/2zzPz5a


As quickseller said, the order cancellation is automated and you receive an automated email upon cancellation. Starbucks doesn't have a wide variety of automated emails probably, and it fell into this one. It could be that when the cards were used and found out to be stolen they were cancelled and the balances erased, which would lead to an email like this.

It's pretty plain and simple what happened, and frankly I'm tired of repeating myself.

What happened:
1) I messaged James showing interest in $500 Starbucks Gift Cards
2) James sent me the codes without talking to me and refused to take them back and demanded payment in 12 hours
3) I agreed to take them if you're trading on my terms or gave him the option of taking them back, which he could of easily done and just transferred the balance to a different card if he was so worried
4) I use the cards, they didn't work. They turn out to be stolen. End of story.

Interesting, however I don't think this is a very good practice on Starbuck's part. (maybe they have since changed their policy?). I don't see any reason why they would close/cancel an entire balance on a gift card if only a portion were reversed.

Another thing to note is that we don't know for a fact why either the funds were canceled in that story/blog post, nor why they were canceled in this case (assuming they were in fact canceled). It has been speculated that the cards in this case were purchased with stolen credit cards, however there are a number of other reasons why they could have been canceled (the gift cards themselves were reported stolen by someone else, whoever purchased them did so with a check that was returned for NSF - or the check bounced for some other reason). I bolded the returned check theory because this would not necessarily be fraud on the buyer's part, so if this was the case then SB would not necessarily close the cards for fraud.

This is all really speculation, however I should say that I do trust Wardrick and do not trust the OP (he clearly created his account for the sole purpose of selling these gift cards - which in itself should be a red flag)

1) Yes,I sent you cards first without discussing more
2) We came to term after arguing about payment that you will send me money after you use cards(look at screenshots on first page)
3) You use cards and I did not get my money
4) Why would I transfer the balance?(Again twisting story here to avoid paying me)
5) Your evidence that they are stolen? (Again twisting story here to avoid paying me)
6) I am at a loss of money and with 5 $0 cards

edit: I was worried because I wouldn't know when you were going to pay me. You would feel the same as I did if you sold something to a buyer and the buyer tells you I will pay you when I use them whether it takes 1 hour or 5 days. So was I suppose to be patient and in the loop hole of not knowing when I was going to get paid?

Yes it is pretty simple what happened. I sent you cards. You agreed to pay when you use them. You used them. You didn't pay me. Yes I know pretty plain simple. Now you are twisting up the story to remove yourself from paying $110.

It's implied as Quickseller mentioned earlier that when you purchase $500 worth of gift cards, it's implied that it will have $500 of value, but just for the record - http://imgur.com/cNXZB2w

You would transfer the balance because I asked you to take the codes back because you sent them to me without discussing any details and then kept demanding an instant payment.

So in the case of cards being cancelled for fraud they would have cause and the entire balance is gone with no refunds.


There should not be $0.33 left we should be seeing a big 'ole $0.00


Although I've got no experience with Starbucks, Wardrick's story just doesn't sit right with me. I read his first PM about check my history decide if you want to send first as agreeing to the established price and expecting either james to actually send first or to object in which case it would likely progress to escrow. Wardrick then later adds the term that he wants to use then pay.

Well Wardrick did offer for the OP to send back the gift cards early on if he did not agree to his terms. I don't think Wardrick's first PM to the OP would constitute an agreement.

So based on your quote of their terms, then if the balance was obtained via fraud then the entire balance should be removed and the remainder should be refunded (possibly via store credit - a gift card?).

As I mentioned above, I think it is possible that the funds were loaded onto the card via some other way then what SB considers "fraud" (e.g. like paying with a bad check)

Stop twisting the story you scumbag lying piece of shit

Why do you think I got frustrated and impatient with you after you didnt send me payment after I sent you cards?

Here is my PM showing frustration which you forgot to include

"how am i suppose to know when that will be? It can be 1 day 1 month 1 year??? I am not waiting for you to buy yourself a $5 cup of coffee for the next 100 days. Send me money in 12 hours; that is enough to verify them. It takes not even a minute to verify the codes work. It doesn't take 5 days to verify that the codes work. And I dont take codes back for obvious reasons."

Also, I didnt ask for payment instantly. I asked for payment on the spot after 1 hour of sending you cards. Which is enough time for you to punch in the number and code on the website to check the balance.

Then we argued about payment for a long time and came to terms that you would pay me after you use them up. YOU USED THEM UP AND DIDN'T PAY ME.
Its not that hard. This is very clear with all the PMs out in public that you scammed me out of $110. Now you are twisting the situation up so you can get out of paying me.


Edit: Also, I'm extremely stupid? You told me to send you cards first after checking your reputation. So I checked your reputation and decided to send you cards and assumed you would pay me and not make things complicated.

Conspiracy mode.

Wardrick is using his classic SB card until he gets down to $0.33 and needs to load up again
Wardrick acquires 5 $100 cards from james
Wardrick transfers $499.67 to his primary card
SB cards have a max value of $500 so he couldn't move it all
4 cards are now $0.00
1 card is now $0.33
Wardrick claims SB zeroed them
Wardrick has a reputation
james is the new guy
ergo james is the bad guy
Wardrick laughs his way home while drinking starbucks


https://24.media.tumblr.com/30f0d302e42f3e22e609d1b1a6a50f1c/tumblr_n0z7t2ONnO1tt3urzo1_500.jpg





This is how I see the situation also, james did what was asked of him

You stated in your thread that you don't send the codes first. I messaged you showing interest in them, completely different than saying "Hey send me $500 of codes and I will pay you within 12 hours of receiving them, and guess what? I'll even pay you if the gift cards are completely useless and have no value whatsoever!". Either way if you send me something and don't discuss the trade details you're basically agreeing to my terms unless they are ridiculous.

You're dishonest and continue to lie. Do you just ignore facts and continue to make up your own story? I told you to take the cards back and I told you that I'm not sending the payment until I use them and know they work. What part are you having trouble understanding? - http://imgur.com/cNXZB2w - If the order was cancelled and there's no other activity on the cards can you conclude what happened here?


You also seemed to show concern that I was using the gift cards online for some reason.


@Bitspill, that's my facebook pic atm.

https://i.imgur.com/2HfJYmC.png?1

If you know his thread says he won't send first why even bring it up? You wanted him to look at your reputation, deem you trustworthy, then send the codes to you.

Oh so now you're trying to cover this up and blame it on me? Show me where I'm dishonest and continue to lie. Show me where I show concern about you ordering online. I asked if you ordered online and because there's nothing you can purchase in store that is worth $500 at once and left it at that.The facts are all presented here with everything public. Now you are going around in circles to twist things up even more.

Here let me just copy and paste my previous post again since you don't know how to read.

"Stop twisting the story you scumbag lying piece of shit

Why do you think I got frustrated and impatient with you after you didnt send me payment after I sent you cards?

Here is my PM showing frustration which you forgot to include

"how am i suppose to know when that will be? It can be 1 day 1 month 1 year??? I am not waiting for you to buy yourself a $5 cup of coffee for the next 100 days. Send me money in 12 hours; that is enough to verify them. It takes not even a minute to verify the codes work. It doesn't take 5 days to verify that the codes work. And I dont take codes back for obvious reasons."

Also, I didnt ask for payment instantly. I asked for payment on the spot after 1 hour of sending you cards. Which is enough time for you to punch in the number and code on the website to check the balance.

Then we argued about payment for a long time and came to terms that you would pay me after you use them up. YOU USED THEM UP AND DIDN'T PAY ME.
Its not that hard. This is very clear with all the PMs out in public that you scammed me out of $110. Now you are twisting the situation up so you can get out of paying me."

The order was cancelled, the cards you sold to me did not work and the order was cancelled. I can provide proof of all this, all you are saying is that you sent me Starbucks gift cards and you want the payment.

All the evidence points to the cards being used only once, as there's no other activity on them except that the cards were applied to the order and it being cancelled, and the reason it was cancelled remains unknown, but I think it's obvious. If you have any further proof or evidence you want to provide instead of just posting saying I'm lying go ahead.

I'm also open to someone team viewing my screen to verify all of this so to see that there's no confusion.

The card I sold to you did work otherwise you wouldn't be able to redeem the cards.
I provided all the evidence on here to prove that you didn't pay for using my cards.
In the end you scammed me out my money and  5 $100 cards.

If the cards were cancelled, there would be a $0.00 balance across the board. To whoever provided that image, thank you. The person given the gcs used them to transfer the balance on the original card. That has now become a fact seeing as to how we see there is a remaining small balance on one of the gcs. Wardrick said he can provide proof that they were cancelled. Wardrick, may we take a peak?

If the cards were zeroed out by Starbucks, they would say balance merge not redeem. Wardrick scammed the OP plain and simple

This is true I have dealt with lots of starbucks cards before, but I wouldn't make the accusation that Wardrick is a scammer, I think its a misunderstanding.

I have a question, is someone with the card number and PIN able to cancel an order? For example would it have been possible for the OP to cancel the order then quickly place another order since he knew the card number?

It would probably be possible if they called into customer service. The activity on the codes shows that they were used once and the order was cancelled, and the balances were not credited back. At this point it's just rail birds commenting on the situation that haven't fully read the thread or know the situation.

Wardrick is a piece of shit scammer who deserves to be banned.
His password was recently changed --- is it the real him or the new purchaser of the account?

HA, scammed someone for money...whether it be $1, $500, $5000, or $50k, you sir are a piece of shit.

James is doing something to get funds...
Just because they are fraudulent (which you knew beforehand), you want to rob him...

Wow, you are a piece of shit.

I saw that you posted a picture where you received an email that says "you" canceled (I believe it has been established that this is just a template) the order, however is there additional information in the email that potentially has more information about that order that can be linked to the cards? For example an order number....

Things are not looking up for our friend Wardrick. I'm hoping OP and you can resolve this.

I see that you had created your account only a few days after this thread was created and have posted over 20% of your posts in this thread. Do you happen to be somehow associated with the OP?

Here's all the proof -

http://imgur.com/de5Q9sW
http://imgur.com/XA8zJJI
http://imgur.com/KKpjUpK

Okay, so from that it looks like I can say the following:
1 - Order number sbx22043943 was canceled.
2 - The 5 gift cards all have a $0 balance on them today
3 - The 5 gift cards all had a $100 balance on them when they were given to you
4 - The 5 gift cards all have a redeem transaction on the 26th of January
5 - None of the 5 gift cards ever had any balance put back on them

Do you have anything to tie order number sbx22043943 to the 5 gift cards? (I may have mistyped the order from looking at the picture). Maybe a confirmation email when you placed the order (with your shipping addressed redacted)?

In the pictures I just provided you can cross reference the last four digits of each card number applied to the order to the card numbers that James sent me via PM on Bitcointalk.

Ahhh, I missed that. For reference it is on the top picture.

I think this pretty much closes the case.

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I know that James previously stated that he just purchased the cards from someone else. Has he contacted the seller to try to work out a refund since the cards do not work? (this is directed towards James). I would also ask James one additional time if he really did not know the cards were carded......he did mention in his PM's that he cannot take the cards back for "obvious reasons"....I would also ask him what he would say those obvious reasons are

@Quickseller lol stop using your shill accounts to lick Wardricks butthole. You own and manage multiple accounts to sell on this forum.

Its sooo obvious

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=357507
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=357516

applesRyummy is another account of yours and the activities on that account is very similar to other shill accounts you came on to post here, which coincides with very close account creation date and activity logs for each accounts?
needFREElunch is another account of yours you came on to post on here to lick Wardricks butthole. But wonder why you deleted all the posts you made on here?

hmmm  ::) ::) ::)

People should leave trust on these shill accounts because it is highly likely that they are.


Yes this case is pretty much closed. Wardrick scammed me out of $110.

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Interesting to see how a legendary is called a scammer in this situation and I'm called a scammer in my situation which is basically the same situation.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=765861.msg8792190#msg8792190

"I do not know you use it on anything, it totally depends on you, I sold the card for you and you have used up its balance."

My situation is a very simple situation. Wardrick and Quickseller attempted to twist up the story to put the blame on me. I get attacked because I'm a newbie and Wardrick is a hero memeber. I see how this community is.

1)Wardrick used up the balance
2)He did not pay me
3)Wardrick scammed me
4)Quickseller twists up story with shill accounts(At least 4 on this thread;if not more)

The person you quoted had a scammer tag for some scam. You are selling stolen SB gift cards. The trust that the person you referenced is likely not from the transaction in question.

Your trust says that you are an alt of other SB gift card scammers, however your post history does not show anything to refute that. Do you care to comment on the allegation that you are the same person who had scammed many others out of their SB gift cards?

@Quickseller how many times do I have to tell you lol? Come on your main account to comment on this not your alts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=765861.msg8797959#msg8797959

Since you are just going to deflect I would personally take that as an admission that you are the same of those people

Reading the actual topic does resemble a similar situation, while the large negative is from the oldscammertag if you scroll down you see 3 more related to the SB GC

Since you are also deflecting I take that as an admission you are in fact Quickseller. ;)

That accusation is neither on topic nor is relevant to the conversation in hand.

You are free to make your own inferences however on one hand you have an accusation that someone is an alt of a scammer and on the other hand you have a claim that someone is an alt of someone with positive trust. Now please tell me, who has more of an incentive to reject the claim against them? Which claim would be worse for the accused party?   

someone should lock this thread. useless

Wow I just read 80% of the posts got bored somewhere in the middle of all these pages so skipped to the last page. Both are wrong in this case from the beginning. I am not even going to comment on the aftermath since it seems very messy and something went wrong But OP should not have assumed an interest in a key is a commitment to buy it and wardrick should not have used the cards until the terms were ironed out between the two. You can tell it might not go well from the beginning so why bother using them. Just don't transfer them and let the OP have them back and let him transfer the balances to another card he has.

PS: And if either one of you refer to me as a shill of one of the others accounts I will just laugh in both your faces.

SHILL! You're a shill for a 3rd party trying to discredit both of these fine gentlemen.

The guy is using his positive trust to scam newbies and he knows he can get away with it.  It is plain to see that he used the codes, cancelled the order himself, and transferred the funds to a different card.  But sure, keep sucking this "trusted" members cock.

Are you a complete idiot? Re-read the thread there's no activity on the cards after the order was cancelled.

Lol just pay the guy man you used to cards and now hes out of the cards. You knew the cards werent legit why would you order online?

All of this has already been discussed. All of the posts now are just inaccurate and false. I have a need to make sense in my posts, but if you don't want a little thing called sense to fuck up your arguments go ahead and keep posting.

You and quickseller fucked up the facts and twisted the story around when it's pretty clear that you scammed me.

why don't call each other instead of writing on a forum?

why dont you move on and look somewhere else if you dont want to read this anymore lol?
It happened on the forum so we are discussing it on the forum

This

You are a piece of shit scammer, shut the fuck up sir

Just because you scammed someone who you suspect of being a scammer, doesn't make you any less of a scammer.

James has seemingly dissapeared already according to the posters in his sale thread although it's only been a day and a half.

Well from the looks of it, the codes were sent to Wardrick on Jan 25, and the codes went bad sometime prior to Jan 28 when the OP made this thread. That means the codes went bad within 3 days, which is under the OP's current "warranty" and the OP does not appear to have offered to replace the cards.

wardick aint no scammer