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http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/04/technology/silk-road-guilty-ulbricht/index.html

Yes he is and i hope they throw away the key (which we know they will) have you seen the transcripts and bitcoin address's

Considering how the trial went, this outcome was completely to be expected.

edit: The best the defense came up with was along the lines of "you can't trust digital evidence, because hackers", going as far as implying that DPR having a BitTorrent client running was opening his machine up to be hacked and evidence to be planted.

So he took the fall for it. We can't really know if he was DPR or not.
I highly doubt that he was the only and main person behind Silk Road.

So, I guess he will be in jail for the rest of his life, correct?

Karpeles: "Goxed me another one. *Trollface*"

I am surprised how fast this trial went, did his lawyers even try?
I hope he didn't pay for them.

What I found most interesting was the comment by the US Attorney that the "supposed anonymity" of the Dark Web won't protect us from the government.

So, Andreas was not there ?

I think the judge didn't want him because he didn't have the "credentials" to be there.  We don't exactly have bitcoin "professionals" yet...

Then why was he invited by the Canadian Senate ?

source?


No one knows yet, he's yet to be sentenced.


Cool, this means we don't need any special regulations and anti-anonymity laws? Right?

Btw, can he still appeal?

he was found guilty...now awaits sentencing.

It's so "funny" because MANY users from this forum said "he is not guilty, he is not the head of silkroad" :)

Yeah, taking all that cartel drug violence off the street and making personal drug use safer and taking away the profit motive from cartels... he's a monster!

Sorry for being a bit out of date but is the "Murder-For-Hire" stuff going to go on in a later trial or is this it?

Murder for hire is a different case altogether, that case will be held in the state of Baltimore.

Didn't he set up the site using his own email address and the first postings about it was on here using a screen name that was traced directly back to him?


They caught him red-handed, not to mention all the other evidence they had against him. He was fucked from the start, but the best they could come up with was pathetically trying to shift blame on to Karpales.

I would be kicking myself or worse if that was me, think of all the money he made in that short time all he had to do was hand it over to his number 1 vendor who he trusted enough, take a few %  added to his millions a pretty good life waited for him.

Greed and stupidity is a killer or a life in jail er

There will be an appeal. The trial is far from over.

And like most appeals they go nowhere, though I can't blame him for trying.

There have been several articles that I have read citing law experts, that have said there may be valid appeals. I would say the biggest one is the denying of the motion to suppress the evidence from the SR server in Iceland based on a technicality, other potential appeal avenues would include the denial of the ability of some of the defense witnesses to testify (also on technicalities) as well as potential lack of competent counsel.

I wasn't aware of this. Well this is why you never use a main address, especially when doing shady things (this even shows us more the need of encrypted emails).
Indeed. Even though I do not think that he was alone, trying to shift it on Karpales without any proof was pathetic just as you've said.
They could have come up with something better.
Not looking at the other part of the trial (due to the 'hiring of hitmen'), he will get way too much time for "just" running a drug website.

Now that all is said and done, this really does appear to be nothing but a "show trial"

I have no idea if Ulbritch is guilty or not, and I don't see how the jury could either. What a farce.

Looks like they got their "straw man" anyway

How would you possibly know what the jury saw and heard in the courtroom?

Actually the US government thought DPR was Karpeles, at first. The Defense just used US govs original theory.
"The DHS witness, agent Jared DerYeghiayan, reportedly claimed that Mark Karpeles, former CEO of the embattled bitcoin exchange Mt Gox, was once suspected to be the online black market's mastermind, Dread Pirate Roberts."
Here: http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-ceo-mark-karpeles-implicated-silk-road-trial/ (http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-ceo-mark-karpeles-implicated-silk-road-trial/)

That technicality about how they accessed the servers was the only thing that probably could've got him off but good luck proving that (if it even did happen).


He'll get life. They'll want to make an example out of him.


From what I read it seemed like he was just one of the initial suspects and I haven't seen what evidence if any they had for that (and seemingly neither did Ross and his lawyers other than just outright blaming him). The Feds probably initially just brainstormed who DPR could possibly as they has no idea at first and I'm sure there were lots of well known names included but it's not surprising that someone like Karpales was on there.

The judge didn't even rule on the merits of the motion to have the evidence excluded. She said that the defense attorney needed to hypothetically agree that Ross owned the servers in order to even "look" at the request. Although hypothetically agreeing to this could be used to impeach Ross's testimony in the event that he wanted to take the stand. She was effectively forcing him to decide if he wanted to testify prior to the trial ever starting.

If the verdict is overturned because of this or something else then the defense can put the guy who was doing the "hacking" of SR's servers on the stand to find out what exactly he was doing to get access to the servers. I don't think it was an accident that he did not testify.

According to the FBI guy who figured out the server location, the CAPTCHA on his login page leaked his real IP,  and didn't go through Tor, due to a misconfiguration boo-boo.

Whether this is the truth or a parallel construction is anyone's guess.

I bet the jury still do not know what the F a Bitcoin is lolol

Well if what he was doing would be considered "hacking" then it could get thrown out because the government was unlawfully accessing the servers. I somewhat doubt that it was a simple misconfiguration because many people had attempted to find exploits in SR so I would have thought someone else would have discovered it

But he wasn't guilty of the most important thing. If he comes forward at the sentencing, not representing himself, and not being represented by anyone (attorney), but PRESENT as a man, he can still require that a harmed or damaged man or woman appear, and connect their harm or damage to him. If no man or woman comes forward to state harm or damage done by, or if it can't be shown that the harm or damage was connected to him, he gets off completely free. But he must state that with regard to the law and codes, he is incompetent. And he IS incompetent with regard to them. Why? Because he didn't write them, they are not written in plain English, he never agreed to them, so doesn't understand them (which means stand under them in legal language).

Without harm or damage of some human being that can be linked to you, these laws do not apply. If Ross doesn't do the above, he is convicting himself. That's all there is to it.

:)

EDIT: This kind of application of law applies to everyone. The prisons would be empty if everyone did this. Attorneys would be out of a job. Bitcoin would flourish and the banking industry would die, if people simply understood that they can only be held liable for harming another person, damaging another person's property, or breach of contract.

http://voidjudgments.com/

http://www.myprivateaudio.com/Karl-Lentz.html

http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-127469/TS-939473.mp3

While I do somewhat agree with your philosophy, it is unfortunately not how the law works. (how for example would a murder ever be found guilty if someone actually needs to come forward and claim they were harmed by the criminal).

Most laws, especially those that are serious crimes, are written so that when the law is broken, it is society as a whole that is damaged/harmed.

This is just as bad as when Al Capone went to jail for avoiding paying taxes, because taxes are immoral.

There is method to do what you are asking, in common law, which is what I am talking about. If there is a witness, and if there is evidence that conclusively proves guilt, the harmed person would be the relative that was deprived of his property... the dead person. In this case, under strict common law, the harmed relative can essential require the death penalty.

What is better, that an innocent person be found guilty? or that a guilty person go free? If an innocent person is found guilty, then the whole law is guilty of whatever punishment they apply to him.

This might be philosophy, but the things I stated in my previous post are the basis of law in America, Canada and the U.K.  However, basic law doesn't apply if you won't use it. And even if you do, mistakes will be made now and again.

Look at the websites listed above for the law regarding what I say. It is there, in plain English, in the court cases listed.

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Not because taxes are immoral, but because he wouldn't stand as a man in court.

Standard court law requires that, if you stand present as a man/woman (not represented in any way, rather present), you can require that your accuser come forward, get sworn in, and on the stand verify that you harmed him or damaged his property. If your accuser won't do this, or if there isn't a witness who will verify on the stand that he saw you do the harm or damage, or if there isn't evidence that connects it to you, no case against you.

In the case of Al C., like with Ross, the accuser can't take the stand, as required by law and court case, and even Constitution. Why not? The accuser is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Find me a Mr., Mrs., or Ms. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA who can get on the stand and verify in open court that he/she was harmed or damaged. It isn't going to happen.

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So.. all these coins are lost for life or they will sell them?

Let's be honest, Ross didn't stand a chance.

Much of the world (the US included) does not rely on strict common law. (although civil litigation is more revolved around common law).

I would agree that it would be better for society as a whole if someone who is guilty were to walk free then an innocent person to be punished for a crime he did not commit.

I would ask you if you truly think that Ross did not harm anyone. I do agree with a lot about what he was doing however I am very concerned about the allegation that he was so willing to hire a hitman to kill people who were causing him problems. Even if you were to ignore that, the fact remains that many addicts were able to continue to feed their addictions, and likely further destroy their lives by buying on Silk Road.

I do however have somewhat of a theory that whoever Ross hired to kill the people in Canada were potentially Law Enforcement and what they were doing was entrapment.

what if silk road was decentralize this would have never happen, the darknet now in days is just tricky when it comes to doing anything.

Absolutely. Common law, real common law is law between people. Where governments are written down, activity between the written parts of government must be done under contract law or something else, other than common law.

The parts of USA law regarding people is based in common law. This is the reason that the courts need you to be represented. By being represented, they are dragging you into contract law, a place where you can be judged by them outside of common law.



I don't know of Ross harming anyone. I'm not into his life that much. But even if I were, the law is the law. If it were me he harmed, and I don't bring an accusation against him, one that I can back up, what's the dif?



Ross bad. The courts don't have jurisdiction until he is represented by an attorney, or until he represents himself. If he stands as a man without representation, some harmed man or woman needs to come forward and accuse him, on the stand, with at least one witness, and evidence that clearly points to Ross as the bad guy.

If the courts take jurisdiction outside of the above, then it is bad courts, bad United States, bad people of the United States.



Entrapment doesn't work without harm or damage, or a harmed or damaged person who gets on the stand. In law it is called, "corpus delicti" and "plaintiff must appear." It is standard, basic law that has been around virtually since the beginnings of time. Of course, to see justice done, if the plaintiff (accuser or damaged person) can't appear because he is unable, then there are alternatives at times.

All the States, and the Federal, have as basic, standard law the term "corpus delicti." It has to be there, and it has to be evidenced, and it has to be witnesses by  at least two people. Ross can ignore his rights to use common law if he wants. But if he doesn't ignore common law, and no accuser human being comes forward with harm or damage, he walks.

http://voidjudgments.com/

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I don't condone Mr. Ullbricht's involvement in the drugs trade. But at the same time, he has become one of the earliest martyr's in Bankers' warfare against Bitcoin. The Bankers will make sure that he will never come out of jail.

I'm sure you are 100% right, most if not all of the jury wouldn't have a clue what bitcoin is but this trail really didn't have much to do with understanding bitcoin.
It was a show trial about a new type of drug dealing, a kind that is safer for buyers and sellers alike who do have to risk getting shot, stabbed or just plain ripped off while buying what they wanted.

If this trial was about bitcoin then they would have let the BTC 'experts' talk.

Whats the punishment is he getting ?

Probably life without parole. Taking in to account the fact that SR dealt in hundreds of millions of USD worth of drugs, that seems quite possible. And add in the (FBI-invented) attempted murders, he is in deep s*it. 

I just hope this will signal the end to the "BTC=Criminal Activity" chapter of the FUD cycle. They got their Judas Goat, now can they please report on something OTHER than bad actors using BTC?

Fortunately the whole ISIS uses BTC thing is just too ridiculous to gain much traction, but honestly, can't they just look beyond these shock-stories?

Hopefully the fools out there can consider the world of BTC to be "cleaned up" now that the evil internet drug peddler is locked up, and maybe move on to a more positive view of this new tech.

Can't really tell you if Ross is guilty or not, doesn't seem entirely honest. We shall see what he's in for when sentanced. Also, he's going to appeal, and appeal, and appeal.

This aint over yet.

Did the defense came up to say, that DPR is still out there and earning commissions? I mean, shortly after SR was closed, "The Real DPR" opened the SR2 site, which he also abandoned after leaving it with a fall guy.

Now SR Reloaded is up and running ...

but his BTC are worth much more in 50 years  :) ! maybe he can buy the whole jail and flee then  :P

yet the cnbc media mix that in to the news report when they say he was guilty making it look like hes a murderer also.

Yes, he is. Maybe not of every single charge but it's pretty obvious he's the guy who was responsible for setting it up and running it.

And what makes it so obvious to you that he ran the site the whole time and didn't just set it up, leave and get roped back in as a fall guy like Ross and his laywer claimed?
Where you on the jury or did you sit in the courtroom during the whole case?

Often when the US government wants to nail someone they will have so much FUD spread on forums and on the net just to help themselfs get the conviction.
I admit his defence sounded a bit strange, but truth can be stranger than fiction a lot of the time.
I would have prefered the outcome to go Ross's way and see MK in prision dropping the soap, lol.

Guilty of everything. He wasn't found guilty of the murder charges was he? Were they dropped or is that a separate trial? I think he'll go down for life merely for running Silk Road so it probably doesn't matter either way.

regardless of whether or not anyone chooses to step forward out of the blue in such an event as this trial and put themselves in the spotlight despite their illegal actions merely for the sake of claiming harm to themselves ... there were undoubtedly many many people who's lives were destroyed through easier access to hardcore narcotics ... that IS harm ... law or not law ... technicality or not technicality ... *ethically* the guy should burn ... (assuming actual evidence exists linking his involvement which , of course, there was) ...

You are entitled to your opinion, but BTC users tend to be libertarian and thus think governmental babysitting such as banning drug use/drug dealing is immoral. I don't tell other ppl what to do w/ their bodies so would hope for the same in return. Banning drug use sounds like something out of a previous century.

Well the jury and judge was and they found him guilty. Nobody buys his bullshit excuse. That was just his last ditch attempt at trying to save his ass.


But Libertarians generally don't believe it's ok to murder people, if those allegations are true.

Yup, agree 100%, this was to be expected from beggining, too strong evidences.
DPR wasted his life, he will now see nothing else than prison

TBH i agree with your sentiment ... to a point ... i would argue that there exist extremely harmful extremely addictive drugs that can outright cause death and that those things should be fought against by all means necessary ... if for no other reason than public safety and preservation of life ... with the assumption of life being good and all ... and there are some drugs that let you see fun new colors and give you the munchies and have zero chance of OD and those particular ones should be tolerated by society ... but hey that's just my opinion ...

You speak the truth. They probably believe in it even less than most, since most people are more okay with interfering with others in general.

Ross Ulbricht stole my bagels the other day at the grocery store, I clearly had my eye on those bagels! I was about to reach for them!

Damn you Ross!

also yes ... murder is bad ... mmmk

And you're entitled to that opinion. But some might view it as discriminating against certain drugs and their respective users. Not everyone enjoys weed or hallucinogens, for example. Some people mostly enjoy opiates/coke/whatever and are honest enough with themselves not to continue doing drugs they don't even enjoy.

The article says arrested in 2013. Was it 2013 or 2014 the year he was arressted in ?

I personally don't think he was behind Silk road , if he was ... he wouldn't be alone .
"The guy was living in a very simple apartment, living a very simple life. So many things don't add up." It dosen't make a lot sense to me if the guy was basically a millionaire , does it guys ?

~ Madness

fair enough ... and i'm sure there do exist some people who can "handle" their poison of choice ... most can't when it comes to those sorts of things ...

Well he would've been an even bigger fool if he was driving a lamboghini and living in a mansion. You can only buy that sort of stuff when you successfully launder the money otherwise you'll have a lot of explaining to do. He did the right thing by living lowkey as to not arouse suspicion but he was caught with the bitcoins and they were tied back to him directly from the Silk Road.

You got a point , he did the best thing he could but he got catched .
But isn't a new Version of Silk road opened once again ? "Silk road 2 or 3 " , and the most important of all and the question that I've been asking my self for a long time , how those people can run such a illegal websites Silk Road , kickass.io , The Pirate Bay etc .. without having their host providers closing their websites off ?

~ Madness

cloud hosting basically which hides their site among 10000 other legit sites and never gets checked by the cloud hoster ... with a cheap load balancer setup in a lenient nation ...

Taking bets on his sentence :

I bet .1 btc he hes 25 years to life parole in 15

unless they decide to sentence him on all 7 charges concurrently who knows

When do we find out the sentence?

There were no murders...

The issue with allowing people to do...well whatever the choose with themselves is that most people don' have the knowledge(Well all people), to make the right decisions most of the time. We are bound by our own biology, so we cannot have 100% freewill, knowledge, freedom etc(If we did, then you extremist Libertarians would be right, but since we don't the vast majority of you are wrong).

An example is this: A uneducated person is persuaded by a peer to use Opium because in the short term it gives "benefits" such as relaxation, pain relief, reduced anxiety and impaired alertness and coordination. The person doesn't know any better because of his ignorance, so he goes ahead and takes the drug. Several years past and his body becomes more and more tolerant to the # of doses he has been taking, so he ups it continually, all the while his body becomes more tolerant and he is severely addicted(A wide variety of "hardcore" drugs are extremely addicting, to the point that after a certain period of time using them, your body physically depends on the drug or you will go into withdrawal and possibly die). The person gets to the point that he gets cancer, heart attack, has an overdose, and dozens more(A lot of which are fatal).

Overall, my point is that people are not limitless creatures that know all there is(such as the effects or outcomes of doing this and that, etc), so, there has to be certain rules that people must generally abide by, or risk destruction of themselves and communities, so no, drugs should not be legal(mostly because of the dependency/highly addictive part, where after certain longterm use your body physically depends on the drug).

Attempted murder...According to the FBI's report.

This is what happens when you become an enemy of the state and they need to make an example. See my sig.

Good people will be sacrificed unfortunitly before the zombie nations wake up! So eBay, amazon etc should all be arrested for providing a service where people scam on it too! Paypal etc etc but we all know they have carte blanch don't we!

He never stood a chance as he was did allowed to use anything that would show why he did it. Just like princess Diana's enquiry which actually ruled the following cars (not paperazzi that the msm said) caused the unlawful death. Same shit over and over. You practically got no rights left and people still havnt woke up to the truth of what's going on.

And what's this do for dark markets? Fuck all! There's over 100 now and some of them are MUCH bigger than silkroad ever was lol. Just another martor and more peoples rights pissed down the drain. Do you realise anyone running a website now that the powers that be don't like now can be fucked over now? No, your too blind to understand that. Humans have used drugs since the beginning of man but since some power crazy fruit cakes says its bad (except the ones they say you can take) people follow like sheep!

Sad state of affairs indeed!

He still tried to set them up. Had it not been a sting operation he could've actually carried out the murders for real so it's probably a good job he got caught this way.

Education is not schooling BTW. Schooling g is programming, you can only educate yourself!

I never let schooling get in the way of my education - mark twain

That was for fancy headlines! They always do it! So people feel less towards the people they need out of the way!

Excellent quote my friend, shame brainless zombies don't get how powerful and accurate some quotes are ;-)

Seriously! If you believe that shit you been watching to much TV(properganda)

If Ross tried to hire a hitman, then yes he deserves the maximum sentence possible. If he did not try to hire a hitman, then I agree with you that it's a bit unfair, especially when he helped take drugs off the streets(where violence is common). My view is that the hitman case outcome is what will separate him from either being a simple website developer/admin or a murderer(attempted).

on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

If this is so much safer why did he try to arrange so many hits?

In America, Canada and the U.K., the law is, let your accuser get on the stand and validate that you did wrong through oath or affirmation, speaking it into the record. Wrong doing doesn't include breaking some Law Code of the government except if you have a signed contract to obey that Law Code. Wrongdoing only includes harming a person with actual harm, damaging a person's property with actual damage, or breaking a signed contract where you have explicitly agreed to the terms of the contract.

Millions of Americans are in jail in America simply because they unwittingly and unknowingly made a contract with government when, at their court trial, they affirmed that they were being represented by someone else (usually an attorney) or when they represented themselves. They did no wrong. They harmed nobody. They damaged no property. Nobody got up and accused them on the stand. They simply, accidentally, unknowingly, made a contract. They didn't even know that they made a contract. How can you see that they made a contract by being represented? You can see it in the question, "Why do I need representation? I am present!"

It's a trick, folks. It's a big trick perpetrated by government. When the courts try you under the representation contract, they find you guilty according to their rules, not according to any harm or damage that you may have done. Then they throw you into prison for smoking a joint, or for multitudes of kinds of petty little things that HARMED OR DAMAGED NOBODY.

Government people are way more your common crooks than Ross could ever imagine being even if he happened to be evil incarnate. Why? Because they constantly deny people their rights through ignorance of the law. And then they rob and jail and even murder their victims. And now Ross is one of their victims by this same methodology.

Consider. An attorney is first and foremost an officer of the court. The attorney doesn't owe you anything except that the court tells him he does. When he represents you, this is CONFLICT OF INTEREST. It is the way government is criminally acting against all the people of the land.

The one important word that is destroying our freedom in the courts is REPRESENTATION. If we weren't represented in the courts by an attorney or by ourselves, but rather, if we were present as a man or woman, most of the codes and laws wouldn't apply. Only harm, damage, or breaking a contract (which is harm or damage) would apply to us.

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There are 2 separate hitman incidents.

The friendlychemist/redandwhite/nipplesuckcanuck situation had nothing to do with the FBI, and the authorities can not find any murders related to these 5 alleged/attempted hits or even any names to match anyone in this scenario, but here is the address Ross sent the bitcoins to for these hits https://blockchain.info/address/1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL  Not sure what the 2,555 btc is but the 3,000 is for nipplesuckcanuck and roommates and the 1,670 is for friendlychemist.

The other incident involved an FBI agent who was posing as a drug dealer on silk road. Eventually Ross asked him to kill an employee who was arrested and had stolen funds from silk road. The FBI staged the torture/murder of this person and was paid 80k from Ross.

video of his parents speaking after the trial, sad times from many angles

http://youtu.be/vkAgG6NhWVQ

No he didn't, he wasn't able to form a proper defence either! The legal system (not law) is run by the mafia. Its not there for us lowlly sheep.

The hitman thing isn't even apart of the trial but its all that's mentioned on msm sites. This is what they do to get public support. They have no remorse or guilt so lieing is easy for them. They are phycopaths! Phycopaths are very competent and clever people (Fred west etc etc).

Sad times because they have to say byebye to their millions.  :( :( :(

So the truthful and honest FBI say!!!! Lol

So do the chat logs on the computer he was using and logged into silk road as DPR when he got arrested.

No wait, I'm sorry, Karpeles put those in there via torrent while he was downloading the colbert report.

The hitman stuff gets all the press, but that's because it was silk road business and it was mentioned in the chat logs and journal on Ross's computer and was able to counter the defense claim that he wasn't in charge of silk road at the time.

Look, the drug laws need to be looked at, and I'm sure some people get railroaded for some things, but find a new battle to fight, he literally got caught red handed.

The FBI are the biggest drug runners in the world bar none! Seriously, and they use guns to make sure it stays that way! They cause more deaths around the world than anyone else because of this! Not to mention the fear that is created from their bullshit! Anyone who listens to Ross knows he is the complete opposite! And he created genuine compitition! Governments, alphabet agencies and banksters don't like competition! Only thing he did wrong is opsec!

Uhh...do you have concrete proof? Otherwise this is just FUD

This evidence is certainly damming, however you need to remember how the FBI ultimately came into possession of this information. They essentially hacked into silk road servers via some kind of exploit and was likely unconstitutional

What is the right decision? Is there such a thing? Is it not simply a matter of getting high or not getting high and that neither are a right or wrong decision?

I don't understand what you are trying to say, but you're of course welcome to explain. But I certainly don't think the idea of legal drugs is extremist. I think it was extremist to ban those drugs and brainwash society toward being against them, even to the point where now it's considered extremist simply to think that all drugs should be legal.

It's life; whatever happens happens. A lot of people live into old age with opiate addictions, by the way. The problems arise from lack of availability. Hence, why some governments supply heroin to addicts and help them find addict-friendly jobs.

The people who set the rules are people too. And generally, the highest IQ people don't have much to do with making those rules, since they gravitate toward professions other than politics. Do you have so little trust in your own mind as to rely on rules created by people who don't even know you and probably don't even care about you?

That is questionable, but that doesn't change the evidence that was on Ross' computer, that he was using, that was logged into SR as DPR.

Yea, so he probably is DPR, however the legal system and the US is built around both fairness and due process and fundamental rights. If he is not awarded due process throughout the process of gathering evidence or throughout his trial then his rights have been violated and society as a whole will have been harmed. If he really is a criminal then let law enforcement find/catch him via legal/constitutional means

Thats true that the whole thing wasn't presented.
They are making an example out of him, just like it was the case with Aaron Swartz.

Mandatory federal sentencing guidelines requires he be sentenced to a MINIMUM of 20 years and a MAXIMUM of life in prison.

His lawyer said they will appeal.

It will probably be at least 6 months before the appellate court even decides if they will hear his case and several additional months before they will make a decision.

I would put the chances of being greater then 75% that he will face another trial for the same charges

Well..almost certain that he will have to serve life imprisonment.. Only god can save him now..(just my thoughts)

I would say that he will likely be sentenced to life in prison on the current case, however as mentioned above he will likely win at least one of his appeals which will likely result in at least some of the evidence thrown out (or potentially allow more evidence/testimony in his favor)

I would say the trial that he just went though will be largely ignored

Well, the good news for him is he can find plenty of drugs in prison. There's no need for a hidden marketplace where he's going. Murder for hire only costs a carton of cigarettes. It's real easy to score sex too. I guess prison is perfect for him because everything he loves is available in one place. lol

At least in local news of my country it got stated several times "Bitcoins worth millions" which will probably stick, and that kind of advertisement at the prime time  8)

- No holidays in Asia
- No Bitoins
- No internet

You think he knew?

I doubt being butt-fucked by a big black man is on his list of life's pleasures.

Could be wrong........ :o

I am not finished reading this thread, but I already have one thing to say:
Everybody, who says he deserves it, because he attempted murder is a FUCKING IDIOT.
Attempted murder was not an accusation in this trial, it has no value whatsoever in this trial.

I reduced it to only 2 assumptions about this:

1. Chatlogs/Journal are planted by someone else and therefore they are untrue
2. Chatlogs/Journal are not planted and therefore representing the truth

1.
If the logs telling the truth, Ross at least "thought" he was hiring a hitman and he also "thought" that the job was done several times. He never gave up the site, but he created the lie about this to protect his business, he knew was illegal. He places notes about the murders side by side with some trivial server issues, like (a. watched the pic of a tortured to death guy. b. Server got DDosed)
That speaks a clear language: This guy turned from a nerd into a psychopath and seem to deserve the sentence.

2.
If all the files had been planted by someone else, we only have his statement, that "he is the founder of the site" and he "gave it to someone else" and he "was tricked back into the SR administration site". Poor Ross beeing the fall guy for the "Real DPR" (Karpeles, Variety Jones aka Cimon etc)

Everything looks clear at version 1., but there's a lot of room to speculate about 2.

If Ross was framed, it was most likely not the FBI. It might be possible when I wear my tinfoil baseball cap, but, cmon....
Let's say every statement from Ross/Dratel is true and he was framed by a hacker, who maybe has planted all the proof on his pc, it would have made sense for the defense to present "The Real DPR" as beeing the hacker with the masterplan instead of Karpeles. The "Real DPR" who opened Silkroad 2 just a few weeks after the arrest of Ross Ulbricht and the closing of SR1. He later gave the site up again to another fall guy: Blake Benthall ("Defcon") . The "Real DPR" is still out there!
Possible, that "Variety Jones" aka "Cimon" and "The Real DPR" are the same person:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935434

I also can imagine that 1. is right and "The Real DPR" / Variety Jones still framed him at some point, when SR got too much publicity.

Side story: Possible that the hacker Variety Jones found the chatlogs about the hitman stories on Ross' computer and thought "What a fucking asshole. I will teach him how Kingpin wannabees end up"

Best movie title so far: "Variety Jones"

Seriously? You need proof of that! Fuck you got a lot to learn!

Gladio b
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cze1zVDsQMs

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/nsaebb2.htm

http://pando.com/2014/10/26/the-biggest-cia-drug-money-scandal-you-never-read/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i7gW7QwevFI

Seriously, I can go on and on and on with this! You obviously never used your brain for critical thinking and questioning things and fill it with bullshit that's spoon fed you! Hell, CIA was formed by Prescott bush after WW2 for crying out loud! I'll go even further and show you more, this is title JFK to 911 - its all a richmans trick but it actually goes from the late 1800's to present day. You won't learn nothing in a 10 minute clip and you need look at multiple sources over and over and make YOUR OWN judgement!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM

And how do they get everyone to go along with it still today.... Human Resources - Social Engineering!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4rnJEdDNDsI

Even Alex Jones, mark dice, David icke etc etc are apart of the social engineering program providing some truth and steering people the wrong direction. What you'd call a crypto Jew but I'm going a little off track here but all relivent! You wanted proof the CIA are drug runners! Here's more!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-spoils-of-war-afghanistan-s-multibillion-dollar-heroin-trade/91

http://www.mediaroots.org/opium-what-afghanistan-is-really-about/

http://www.thenewamerican.com/mobile-home

https://www.corbettreport.com/the-cia-and-the-drug-trade-eyeopener-preview/

Do you need more evidence or is that enough for you to get started with?

Do you know how easy it is to manipulate chat logs and pretty much everything! I can get 100,000 of people private keys for bitcoin wallets if I ready wanted right now! Write a bot and bam! I'll have made a load of bitcoins! I won't say exactly how but trust me, I can have that done in minutes!

People are so stupid and blind lol

An appeal does not allow you to do anything g different though! Just a new judge and jury, the same (restricteded) information as to be used. The mafia runs this world, face the truth! It will set you free!

Thank you thank you thank you! People are such sheep, especially here where mosts peoples motivations are greed! Says it all really! I'm glad someone's paying attention! I've tried but people keep reading the CIA scrypt back to me lol. Oh the irony of it all :-)

My thoughts exactly.

Regarding your other post please don't hack my private keys but if you really can do this then why not report the bug you have found and get a massive reward doing things the right way, just like the guy that found the reused R problem with blockchain wallets.
If this is true then everybody in the BTC community should know that it is being looked at and fixed ASAP.

I'll be honest, me personally in don't know the exact method but people that do and have done it. But you don't even need that. Log on to any dark market (there's 100's now and some ALOT bigger than silkroad ever was) and you can buy 50,000/100,000 of them for like 0.1btc ATM. And trust me, its possible. All wireless routers are accessible because the the pin is so weak. The first 4 numbers relate to the second 3 and the last is a debug number. I.e, instead of millions of combinations there is only 11,000. Easy to break within a day with software readily available like Kali Linux.

I can spend 3 months setting your computer to be secure and as soon as you connect it to the I ternet I can not guartee anything! Nothing! I'm just a person with a passing interest, you should see what the real people can do out there! Lol.the problems start because were not educated, were programmed at school to be consumers and not to think critically but follow orders. Not to question or be punished! Thank rockerfeller and gates in 1903 for that when they took over how the education system should be ran. And thank ford for fordism and reducing people to mindless robots!

Until the people take the power back and get rid of all centralised systems that manipulate us all nothing will change. Hell, cars even have to come with weather it takes diesel or petrol because some people are that dumb! See the human resources video I posted above (edit: here - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4rnJEdDNDsI) to see just how bad it all is! Were guinea pigs for the rich and powerful. That's just the facts

JP Morgan helped switch the titanic out for the olympoca back in 1912 which netted them 15.8 million on the insurance. Also killing many people against the formation of the fed bank at the same time which came to be in 1913 and america died that day. Incidently, as I have now left, Adam from TMT first ( http://www.tmtfirst.co.uk/ ) in the UK started hanging out with jp Morgan and co. They brought a new gm in called frank moth from amazon no less and now (within 6 months) all the tech team have left (including me) and Adams company as been destroyed under his nose. In 6 months! TMT will not be around by the end of 2015 and adam still does not see whats happening as he's busy been brainwashed by jp morgan. I've witnessed first hand how these sick fuckers work and operate! I've lived in India and south america and extensively traveled (not resorts) so I have experience. But this day and age experience and wiseness is frowned upon over youthfulness and sillyness which is applauded! This is all apart of the social engineering though. Can't blame the zombies, they never stood a chance :-)

Your post is interesting but i would bet those people on the darknet selling 50k plus private addresses are just scams, why would anyone sell access to that many private addresses with who know how many btc that can be scammed from them for so little, they would just hack the accounts themselfs and get a lot more btc from 1 address than selling 100k private keys for so little, dosen't add up to me but i will do my research and get back to you.
I never doubt anyone without looking into things myself, i am very open minded but find this hard to beleive.

For the sake of the whole BTC community i hope your wrong.

Anyway we are getting off topic so send me the links and we'll leave this thread to the right topic.

Good point but if you know how these sites work they work a lot better than any clear net site. Ones I've seen on there have excellent feedback and a lot of it to boot. I know this stuff is possible too because people I know personally can do it. Amongst many other things! They don't use what they know for bad. Unforetunitly most people think that 'hackers' are unerringly bad bit that's just the msm once more policing people with what they want you to believe. Most people who know this kind of stuff don't use it maliciously believe it or not. I know bits and bobs but as I say, that's just a passing interest and have no will to go further down the rabbit hole per say :-)

I don't doubt these listings, the dark net markets have a good community spirit unlike clear net sites! Russ is a hero but I'm an anarchist who wants all governments gone so the people can govern themselves! I'm going to think that ain't I :-)

The sad thing is, this trial sets president and if the government/company/bank/military industrial estate doesn't like what's someone's doing on your web site/services, its your problem as you can be arrested and sent to jail now! People miss this and continue to talk about false allogations of attempted.murder that are not even up for trial! Again, social engineering as made people not question, just accept! Will amazon be going prison for fraud on their site then? Money laundering (not actually a crime as there is no victim) at PayPal so they get locked up? Haha. Nope. Talk about 1 system for some and 1 for another!

Yet more rights gone from the people for the sense of a false security!

Yeah, I mean the idea of running such an enterprise from a public library in America boggles the mind. Reading his journal is pathetic- he talks about wanting his friends and girlfriend and wanting to have a nice normal life, and balance, etc.... When you run a billion dollar drug market the last thing you get to have is a life. He should have lived alone, outside america, with no friends, no girlfriend, nothing like that, should have been 1 million times more careful, bought a secure laptop invest in making sure it self destructs should it be snatched away from him, etc....

The idea that he KNEW he didn't know what he was doing yet thought he was still anonymous from the US government is just pure idiocy. If you know you are an amateur at least double down on the isolation, jurisdictional things, self destructing laptop, etc....  I mean, the only think that could hint for me that maybe he didn't do it is how hard it is to believe someone could be so stupid in doing what he was doing.

I don't believe he was the originator tbh. You got remember even the defence uses what ever it can to get the best result even lies. I know this personally as I've been in that situation myself. So the prossicution lies to the extreme and so does the defense. This is facts for every case there as ever been! I don't understand why they would say he was (probably the evidence was so strongly pointing at it, I don't know) but they all lie. Courts are filled with lies up on lies!

It might not have been relevant in this trial but it is relevant to his character, so they can think he deserved prison time based on that.

Have you listened to him speak? Read anything he wrote on the silkroad forums (were still up when I last checked but was a while ago). Have you seen his mother speak? His father? Anyone with 2 braincells knows that's an FBI fabrication. Intact, when was the last time the FBI told the truth? Intact, have they ever?

It was relevant in this trial. The "hits" were part of silk road business when he wasn't running the site according to him.

You're being very silly. Have you seen any evidence to suggest the FBI faked theirs? From what I read Ross was trying to blame it on someone else and act like a dumb patsy (which I guess was his best option as pathetic as it was). Anyone with 2 brain cells would know that his parents are biased sources and of course they would think he's innocent. His mother was shocked when she found out in court he admitted to creating it as he told them he had nothing to do with any of it, but of course people in this situation tell people what they want to hear and use every lie in the book to get off.

"My son would never hurt a fly. He's innocent" - Adolf Hitler's mother  ;D.

Haha, the Hitler project funded by monarchies and the rich all over the world was a very bad thing but Hitler was just a pawn. But I get the joke ;-)

Ross was not allowed to use witness's and evidence he wanted to because of the Judge, he never stood a chance. He asked for Andreas antonopolous as well to explain bitcoin and how transactions work but was refused that. He wasn't allowed to talk about his principles and refused pretty much everything g that would have helped him. It was so one sided and that's not a coincidence! Trust me, wait till you see the people who are going get in trouble over the coming years because of this president that's been set! They are going have a field day with it! And most people will think he's some murder plotter too because the msm as emphasised that the most to slander his character which is all false. The guys a god damn hero and the FBI,CIA and co have a large investment in the drug trade! THATS what this is all about.

The joke is, there is another 100 such sites that have taken over now and with things like open bazaar online (although beta) they've created the bittorrent of dnm's which was always going to happen

You booth are retards.
It is not part of his prison time, since there is another trial for that, which will add to his prison time.
It doesn't matter, if it was "part of the silk road business", because he isn't accused for "silk road business", he is accused for pretty specific cases(drug selling and money laundering)
His character doesn't matter for the question, if he is guilty. It could be taken in account for his prison time.
Seriously. We are talking here about pretty basic rule of law stuff.

Who has Ross harmed or damaged? Where is the harm or damage? If the people who were harmed or damaged can't step forward, express and show the harm or damage, have witnesses to the effect, and prove that it was Ross that harmed or damaged them, there shouldn't even be a case, and certainly not a guilty verdict.

http://voidjudgments.com/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946095.msg10370599#msg10370599

:)

We are not required to follow most of the laws in the United States or the States, including the ones Ross is accused of. Why not? For at least two very good reasons. They and a third are:

1. The laws are written in legal language. Even though legal language looks like plain English, often it has very different meanings. In addition, there are all kinds of court cases regarding the legal language that even the attorneys and the judges often can't wade through to get a correct understanding. There is no way this can apply to us, because we don't understand it even when we think we do and even while we are saying that we do.

2. No matter how hard we try, we can never go to the people who wrote the laws and ask them exactly what they meant by the laws that they wrote. So, how does anyone even know if the laws are conveying what the writers wanted.

3. Ross was never really accused of breaking a law. The law wasn't evidenced in court. At best, there was a "Code" evidenced in court. A Code is a shortening of the law to make it easier to understand. The codes are published by a company in Canada. To shorten the laws that have been passed, they have to interpret the laws correctly. How does anyone know if they interpreted the laws correctly?

The point is, even though it looks like Ross broke some laws, and even though the jury has been convinced that Ross has broken some laws, no laws were evidenced into the court. It is all an interpretation placed on codes that may or may not reflect what the law is. Then, this reflected stuff was twisted to harm Ross even though there was nobody who came forward to say that Ross harmed him.

Close to all the convictions that are done without a victim that was actually harmed or damaged, are flawed convictions. They are almost like a king sitting on his throne and pronouncing judgments at his every whim.

Wake up and see that Ross and everyone need to stand man to man, present in the courts without legal representation (they can have  friend sit at their side to help them with legal questions). This is the only way to to beat their laws, which really don't apply to us.

One other thought. If you are guilty of hurting someone or damaging his property in ways that you can not pay for, it might be better for you to accept the standard method of representation. Often maximum penalties imposed by law are easier on you than a harmed or damaged person might bring you under.

:)

IMO you seem like a smart person noddy who is open minded and has a lot to say on this subject.
I also beleive Ross is a hero and just a fall guy.

Nobody answered my post a few pages back regarding these chat logs between Ross and others not being in PGP, do you really think anybody talks openly over the net about murder without using it? If they did use PGP its never been explained how the authorities even had access without the whole sitch being setup from day 1 to make Ross look likt the devil himself.

Of course the CIA and other agencies run drugs all over the world if they didn't then all drugs would be legal and the US would be debt free. Remember the plain that used to fly Bush around, sold to Barry Seal then sometime after crashed because it was overloaded with about 4 ton of coke on board?
Not even the FBI/CIA trolls here would know 1% of what really goes on in the drug market.

Mexico and USA are at war as we speak and its all got to do with who ends up with the drug profits.

Noddy2000, i think you should start a new thread about all this and it could continue forever, just remember to keep that mind of yours open regarding all matters. The governments around the world do run 99% of all drugs but there at the top, people like vendors on SR and alike wouldn't have a clue who supplies their drugs and probably don't care.

Edit: BADecker you seem to know what your talking about also IMHO.
Drugs do harm people but i've never heard of a dealer forcing someone to take their drugs until addicted just so they have a new customer, and trust me i know ALOT about drugs and addiction.

I don't know but he is from San Francisco. For all I know he was in the middle of Folsom street giving blowjobs during the last Folsom street fair. LOL

When your entire defense is "i wasn't running silk road at that time" evidence on your computer of you running silk road at that time is pretty relevant. The journals talked about all the other stuff that he did on silk road at that time, and that was read into evidence, but people in the media and observers ran with the murder stuff because it's more interesting than all the other nonsense that goes into silk road.

Kids say no ta drugs!

Imagine all the people that could not get hold of pure black tar, 80% coke etc who may even be young young and stupid as we are and got hooked threw the ease of buying from silkroad,

I know of one person that died threw a over dose after spending all his Bits from mining on that crap, R,I,P
to him.

Good riddance to that scumbag who was found guilty, yes you can buy from anywhere but not at that grade where harm gets multiplied by xamount.

Good luck to the addicts created threw that chaos of a site, may you be saved the pain and suffering i and many of you would have seen.

You seem like you're delusional with your conspiracies, or on drugs. Pick one. 

You went from the FBI always lies(Not saying that haven't, in the past they have done some crooked things, but here, clearly Ross is guilty), to Adolf Hitler's genocide being funded by the monarchies...

Sometimes it's kind of scary to think that the people that post here are just walking around free. Since I started reading this forum I began looking at people on the street and wondering if they could be one of the mental defectives that post on this forum. lol

That's because you mind is closed due to all the programming and shit you shove down your necks! Not that you can avoid that shit these days. People like you who can't think out of the box (something the human brain is very good at, as its mass to body size is huge) are apart of the problem!

Arguing with stupid people will lower you to their level - mark twain

So bye

All he had to do was close his laptop and he wouldn't have gotten prosecuted. How your life can change from little reactions/decisions.

When you are in a position like Ross was in the library, you need to have a layer of thermite placed above your hard drive. If you don't click a certain link before a minute elapses since the last time you clicked the link, the thermite ignites, and destroys your entire hard drive. You are the only one who knows about the click-the-link process. You better not forget to click.

If your hard drive goes up in flames for any reason, you can get your computer info back later, when it is safe, from encrypted clouds on the Net, where it can't be compromised.

:)

http://grandinquirer.com/?p=21

Special thanks to Tatiana Moroz

~We pray for justice and we want to be free~ Tatiana Moroz : “The Silk Road”

On June 18, 1971, President Richard Nixon introduced the infamous War on Drugs. The question of its efficacy several experts consider debatable; for instance, American opiate use is at an all time high, and America currently has the largest incarceration rate per capita of any “civilized” country in the world, largely due to marijuana prohibition. Dear liberty lovers, I will to you demonstrate not only the overt failure of the War on Drugs and its inability to curtail drug use, but more importantly, to demonstrate how a certain “economic experiment” named Silk Road completely undermined it…and also made the world overall a better place.

In February of 2011, a young man with a vision created an online marketplace called Silk Road that allowed for anybody to sell whatever product their heart desired. That visionary’s name is Ross Ulbricht; he himself was the site’s first vendor, selling his home grown magic mushrooms, much to the dissatisfaction of Mr. Nixon’s ghost. As its popularity took off, others realized they could circumvent the Federal Government’s unconstitutional War on Drugs as well. That site eventually grew to an extent so that any substance could be obtained directly through the mail, paid for with an anonymous currency called bitcoin (a subject for another time). This innovative marketplace had several consequences for drug users and sellers alike.

With the onset of Silk Road, no longer did “certain” individuals have to bring either guns of knives to purchase chemicals that our founding father Thomas Jefferson himself grew. Instead, all one needed to do was make a retrievable payment and await their product in the mail. None of these users and vendors EVER had to worry about fear of death, robbery, or even fraudulent transactions.

Silk Road did not only offer drugs, contrary to government propaganda, nor guns, nor child pornography. It offered merchandise like anti-biotics, anaesthesia, ebooks on how to make money etc. It was essentially a free and unregulated and BETTER ebay. It allowed users a safe way to access their product; it allowed those who can not afford Obamacare a way to access necessary medications to treat sickness and ailment; it allowed individuals who struggled with social skills to improve their ability to connect with others via its educational merchandise. That is to say, until it was shutdown by the Empire of the United States of America.

Silk Road was shut down in 2013 by the US government. They arrested Ross, and he currently awaits a sham-trial. Meanwhile, the US government ran off with millions of dollars of peoples assets, mine included. While the theft is unpardonable, now several users have no choice but to return to the streets and risk getting ripped off and jumped, as they feared before. However, Ross and his visions accomplishments will always be remembered.

Despite the shutdown of the Silk Road, it showed the US government the futility of its fascist and unconstitutional War on Drugs. Silk Road showed statist prosecutors like US district attorney Preet Bharara that in spite of his decrees, we will engage in free commerce whether he likes it or not. And with the creation of the new Silk Road and several spin offs like Agora marketplace, we showed him and his minions that they cannot stop freedom, they cannot stop the free exchange of goods, and most importantly…..they cannot stop us.

Well you could set a library on fire

Or just listen to the great stringer bell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBdGOrcUEg8

Yes. Think things through well. Have a failsafe if practical. You might have a 10-second delay with a flashing icon that would remind you if you forgot. Line the inside base of your laptop with a layer of asbestos cloth. Test on an old hard drive ahead of time, to see how much thermite you would need. Use your head. Think the thing out clearly.

Obviously, Ross was smart enough to think these things out... if only he hadn't become overconfident.

:)

EDIT: There might be a business opportunity here, making thermite inserts for laptops.

Yeah! And be careful how you carry it in your backpack.

:)

Probably not true (your laptop getting hot enough). If your laptop did get hot enough to burn down the library then it would likely melt.

Although the burning point of a HDD is lower then that of paper/wood it would be difficult to have a controlled enough burn so that your computer melts (which is essentially what will need to happen to sufficiently protect yourself) but the table/books around you do not catch fire.

Not only that but his work on the site likely would require him to remain concentrated for times of greater then one minute.

One potential similar solution would be for him to be required to enter his password ever n minutes (with n[/n] being a small number) or else the hard drive shuts down (which obviously has full disk encryption) and power is cutoff from the RAM)

Actually, the thermite idea was one used back in the day before encryption became so widespread, like a couple of decades ago.

As for Ross, the way he was captured makes me wonder if the whole thing wasn't planned out. I wonder if the whole trial isn't a fake thing, designed to attack TOR, Bitcoin and the whole Internet - a false flag operation like 9/11 - and Ross is part of it.

:)

You think an attacker would only need access to your computer for a few seconds to copy an entire unencrypted hard drive?

If the encryption software were programmed to automatically encrypt the entire hard drive after n minutes with the absence of a password, then someone in the process of copying the hard drive would not be able to continue doing so after n minutes.

The software prompting a password would be based on time, not computer activity. The timer would be housed on some separate hardware that could not be controlled/manipulated without physically opening (and powering off) the computer. Instead of a password, it could be a very simply encryption system, something that can easily be "decrypted" by a person, for example the computer could display the word "bitcoin" and someone would need to input the numbers "2472646" (the telephone numbers that commonly have such letters engraved into them) - or maybe something slightly more complex.

Other solutions would be to have some kind of USB stick/drive that would serve as a kill switch in the event that it is unplugged, such USB drive would be tethered to either his wrist or neck so if the laptop is pulled away from him then it would be unplugged and the computer would shut down.

"a digital currency that's difficult to trace,"


bullshiat .. liars.

That is interesting because I believe in Ross's case, the FBI was able to get everything except for the RAM - I remember reading that, due to a power issue they were not able to determine what exactly Ross was running/looking at when his laptop was pulled from him - but maybe all they got before his security measures kicked in was the encryption key.

This could potentially be countered by using some kind of time based key (similar to how authy works) Scratch that, I think this would be defeated by having the encryption key stored in RAM. It sounds like the key here (no pun intended) is to keep your RAM secure).
You could potentially enter some kind of code based on the response it gives you. It could be very simply as long as it is not static, and as long as you only have a very short amount of time to enter it and only have one chance, or else the computer shuts down
I have been a speculator watching Silk Road for a while, longer then I have been into bitcoin; I actually got the idea from a post on either SR1 or SR2 forums shortly after SR1 was shut down.

You are probably actually referring to this --> http://www.cru-inc.com/products/wiebetech/mouse_jiggler/

What you linked appears to only keep a computer powered while moving it (likely one that does not have a battery)

Ulbricht made enough opsec mistakes to get himself convicted even if the laptop was excluded.  He talked about illnesses and other personal problems with informants on torchat in dozens of timestamped messages, then he would get on social media with his real identity and write to his friends/gf about them. That Poison Oak message for one. Unbelievable !! It's like he forgot what he was doing wasn't legal.  They also had their informant sitting in the library on torchat watching him type out replies.

Ulbricht's lawyer feigning incompetence by getting defence witnesses excluded to give meat to an appeal after realizing this trial was doomed is not likely to produce a different outcome since even if his entire arrest was tossed feds can still easily convict with the mountain of other opsec mistakes like that IRS agent who found his altoids persona linked to the name Ross Ulbricht which is good enough when combined with all the informant chats. They prosecute skiddies all the time from hackforums markets peddling illegal booters and spam services with same self incriminating chat with informants.

In theory this could be a potential appeal avenue for the defense. If Ross's attorneys can convince an appellate court that the judge ruled in favor of the prosecution that the forensic tech was not incompetent in error. If that ruling does get overturned then it would have a significant impact on the case as a very large amount of evidence against Ross was found on his Laptop.
LOL

It appears that you know more about this kind of stuff then me, however in theory, Ross intentionally left the charger at home and it was some custom charger that would not be commonly be used. I don't remember reading about why most/all what was on the RAM was lost, however if an explanation could not be given (or if it is something stupid like "the laptop charger was left at home") then the chances of getting the laptop evidence thrown out goes up significantly.
I would imagine that a tethering setup would not be difficult.

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Another potential setup would be to boot from tails and have a 2nd USB drive (that is encrypted) that contains a password to log into the administrative panel of SR, along with his other sensitive documents, and private keys (bitcoin and PGP), and VPN information. Although the FBI could still have grabbed him when his RAM contained the encryption keys of the USB drive, the window to do this would be much smaller - they likely would still have caught him red handed logged into the admin panel, but would most likely not have gotten the laptop at a time when they could have gotten everything else.

Remember that they discovered that the decision to try to snatch Ross's laptop while he was using it was only a last minute idea when they were conducting surveillance on him shortly prior to them planning to arrest him.   

This is actually an argument for the defense to have called the guy who "broke" *cough* (hacked) the Silk Road captcha to testify (or maybe it was why the government did not call him to testify). If they were to question him in detail about how he got the IP address of the server in Iceland then I would be willing to bet that it would be revealed the government did something illegal/unconstitutional.

He could use a very similar password for each layer (or different encryption algorithms using the same password) as I don't think you can look at the encryption key and calculate the password (although I may be very wrong on this).

Another solution would to have used a password manager to unlock various layers of encryption using only one password, however the encryption key to unlock the passwords/keys contained in the password manager DB would only briefly in RAM.   
I was under the impression that he actually worked for the FBI at the time he discovered the real IP address. If he got his "story" mixed up then it would be grounds to get the evidence mixed up as his sworn testimony would have been proven to be a lie (or at least not the 100% truth). I do remember reading something about him being able to find the RL identity of several people in the "hacking" community when his declaration was presented to "explain" how he was able to discover the IP address of the SR server.

Based on what he said in his declaration, I would say that he likely was not simply manually entering text into the captcha - it was most likely something automated

His defence was a joke and told people who wanted help fuck off. Binging up mark kapeles is just insane and you probably.closer to the truth than you realise. Now they can start going after websites they don't like and accusing them for then 'crimes' of others. Sites that host live streaming and torrent sites for starters off the top of my head. Everything fits into place too nicely for the mafia once more. They have a 99% success on conviction! Doesn't anyone see anything wrong with that? Lol

Fucking upside down backward western societies! And the sheep think they live in the land of the free and brave haha. Nothing further from the truth

I would tell him "don't drop the soap homie'"  :'(

It does seem like we've got some wild conspiracy theorists here. I don't know if you've noticed but he did at least admit to creating one of the worlds largest drug dealing markets and was caught in the act doing so. You people could have caught Ulbrict in the act fucking your own girlfriend and you would try find away to exonerate him and blame it on the feds. I believe you ross, the feds set you up to fuck my gf.

Protip: If you're going to set up the worlds greatest drug bazaar don't use your own email address to do so and don't get caught sat at your own computer LOGGED IN AS DPR. Jesus. Yes, the FBI and USG is corrupt as fuck but Ross is also guilty as fuck but that doesn't suit your argument so you just disregard any evidence as inside jerb.

That was funny.

There is soooo much evidence against him, even if he got appeals and got half of it thrown out, the other half will still be enough to convict. 

And then there is the murder trial that will come up later, where he logged his conversations!  That evidence is going to really hurt his defense.

But again, maybe he was set up, right?  Or maybe it was just fan fiction?

The evidence is so overwhelming, it's hard to believe some people actually are surprised. Even if he manages to magically prove some of the evidence against, the rest would flood him. Can't blame him for not trying though. Can't believe they're actually allowing him to stand trial with all the evidence so far. He could be proven guilty 1000 times before anyone bat an eyelid.

Everybody has a right to a trial and have their side of the story heard.