Ross Ulbricht Guilty of Everything

[Phildo]

I bet the jury still do not know what the F a Bitcoin is lolol

I'm sure you are 100% right, most if not all of the jury wouldn't have a clue what bitcoin is but this trail really didn't have much to do with understanding bitcoin.
It was a show trial about a new type of drug dealing, a kind that is safer for buyers and sellers alike who do have to risk getting shot, stabbed or just plain ripped off while buying what they wanted.

If this trial was about bitcoin then they would have let the BTC 'experts' talk.

If this is so much safer why did he try to arrange so many hits?

[BADecker]

In America, Canada and the U.K., the law is, let your accuser get on the stand and validate that you did wrong through oath or affirmation, speaking it into the record. Wrong doing doesn't include breaking some Law Code of the government except if you have a signed contract to obey that Law Code. Wrongdoing only includes harming a person with actual harm, damaging a person's property with actual damage, or breaking a signed contract where you have explicitly agreed to the terms of the contract.

Millions of Americans are in jail in America simply because they unwittingly and unknowingly made a contract with government when, at their court trial, they affirmed that they were being represented by someone else (usually an attorney) or when they represented themselves. They did no wrong. They harmed nobody. They damaged no property. Nobody got up and accused them on the stand. They simply, accidentally, unknowingly, made a contract. They didn't even know that they made a contract. How can you see that they made a contract by being represented? You can see it in the question, "Why do I need representation? I am present!"

It's a trick, folks. It's a big trick perpetrated by government. When the courts try you under the representation contract, they find you guilty according to their rules, not according to any harm or damage that you may have done. Then they throw you into prison for smoking a joint, or for multitudes of kinds of petty little things that HARMED OR DAMAGED NOBODY.

Government people are way more your common crooks than Ross could ever imagine being even if he happened to be evil incarnate. Why? Because they constantly deny people their rights through ignorance of the law. And then they rob and jail and even murder their victims. And now Ross is one of their victims by this same methodology.

Consider. An attorney is first and foremost an officer of the court. The attorney doesn't owe you anything except that the court tells him he does. When he represents you, this is CONFLICT OF INTEREST. It is the way government is criminally acting against all the people of the land.

The one important word that is destroying our freedom in the courts is REPRESENTATION. If we weren't represented in the courts by an attorney or by ourselves, but rather, if we were present as a man or woman, most of the codes and laws wouldn't apply. Only harm, damage, or breaking a contract (which is harm or damage) would apply to us.

[Phildo]

on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

There are 2 separate hitman incidents.

The friendlychemist/redandwhite/nipplesuckcanuck situation had nothing to do with the FBI, and the authorities can not find any murders related to these 5 alleged/attempted hits or even any names to match anyone in this scenario, but here is the address Ross sent the bitcoins to for these hits https://blockchain.info/address/1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL  Not sure what the 2,555 btc is but the 3,000 is for nipplesuckcanuck and roommates and the 1,670 is for friendlychemist.

The other incident involved an FBI agent who was posing as a drug dealer on silk road. Eventually Ross asked him to kill an employee who was arrested and had stolen funds from silk road. The FBI staged the torture/murder of this person and was paid 80k from Ross.

[BitCoinNutJob]

video of his parents speaking after the trial, sad times from many angles

http://youtu.be/vkAgG6NhWVQ

[noddy2000]

on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

No he didn't, he wasn't able to form a proper defence either! The legal system (not law) is run by the mafia. Its not there for us lowlly sheep.

The hitman thing isn't even apart of the trial but its all that's mentioned on msm sites. This is what they do to get public support. They have no remorse or guilt so lieing is easy for them. They are phycopaths! Phycopaths are very competent and clever people (Fred west etc etc).

[angeloanggam]

video of his parents speaking after the trial, sad times from many angles

http://youtu.be/vkAgG6NhWVQ

Sad times because they have to say byebye to their millions. 

[noddy2000]

on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

There are 2 separate hitman incidents.

The friendlychemist/redandwhite/nipplesuckcanuck situation had nothing to do with the FBI, and the authorities can not find any murders related to these 5 alleged/attempted hits or even any names to match anyone in this scenario, but here is the address Ross sent the bitcoins to for these hits https://blockchain.info/address/1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL  Not sure what the 2,555 btc is but the 3,000 is for nipplesuckcanuck and roommates and the 1,670 is for friendlychemist.

The other incident involved an FBI agent who was posing as a drug dealer on silk road. Eventually Ross asked him to kill an employee who was arrested and had stolen funds from silk road. The FBI staged the torture/murder of this person and was paid 80k from Ross.

So the truthful and honest FBI say!!!! Lol

[Phildo]

on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

There are 2 separate hitman incidents.

The friendlychemist/redandwhite/nipplesuckcanuck situation had nothing to do with the FBI, and the authorities can not find any murders related to these 5 alleged/attempted hits or even any names to match anyone in this scenario, but here is the address Ross sent the bitcoins to for these hits https://blockchain.info/address/1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL  Not sure what the 2,555 btc is but the 3,000 is for nipplesuckcanuck and roommates and the 1,670 is for friendlychemist.

The other incident involved an FBI agent who was posing as a drug dealer on silk road. Eventually Ross asked him to kill an employee who was arrested and had stolen funds from silk road. The FBI staged the torture/murder of this person and was paid 80k from Ross.

So the truthful and honest FBI say!!!! Lol

So do the chat logs on the computer he was using and logged into silk road as DPR when he got arrested.

No wait, I'm sorry, Karpeles put those in there via torrent while he was downloading the colbert report.

[Phildo]

on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

No he didn't, he wasn't able to form a proper defence either! The legal system (not law) is run by the mafia. Its not there for us lowlly sheep.

The hitman thing isn't even apart of the trial but its all that's mentioned on msm sites. This is what they do to get public support. They have no remorse or guilt so lieing is easy for them. They are phycopaths! Phycopaths are very competent and clever people (Fred west etc etc).

The hitman stuff gets all the press, but that's because it was silk road business and it was mentioned in the chat logs and journal on Ross's computer and was able to counter the defense claim that he wasn't in charge of silk road at the time.

Look, the drug laws need to be looked at, and I'm sure some people get railroaded for some things, but find a new battle to fight, he literally got caught red handed.

[noddy2000]

on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

There are 2 separate hitman incidents.

The friendlychemist/redandwhite/nipplesuckcanuck situation had nothing to do with the FBI, and the authorities can not find any murders related to these 5 alleged/attempted hits or even any names to match anyone in this scenario, but here is the address Ross sent the bitcoins to for these hits https://blockchain.info/address/1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL  Not sure what the 2,555 btc is but the 3,000 is for nipplesuckcanuck and roommates and the 1,670 is for friendlychemist.

The other incident involved an FBI agent who was posing as a drug dealer on silk road. Eventually Ross asked him to kill an employee who was arrested and had stolen funds from silk road. The FBI staged the torture/murder of this person and was paid 80k from Ross.

So the truthful and honest FBI say!!!! Lol

So do the chat logs on the computer he was using and logged into silk road as DPR when he got arrested.

No wait, I'm sorry, Karpeles put those in there via torrent while he was downloading the colbert report.

The FBI are the biggest drug runners in the world bar none! Seriously, and they use guns to make sure it stays that way! They cause more deaths around the world than anyone else because of this! Not to mention the fear that is created from their bullshit! Anyone who listens to Ross knows he is the complete opposite! And he created genuine compitition! Governments, alphabet agencies and banksters don't like competition! Only thing he did wrong is opsec!

[redhawk979]

on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

There are 2 separate hitman incidents.

The friendlychemist/redandwhite/nipplesuckcanuck situation had nothing to do with the FBI, and the authorities can not find any murders related to these 5 alleged/attempted hits or even any names to match anyone in this scenario, but here is the address Ross sent the bitcoins to for these hits https://blockchain.info/address/1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL  Not sure what the 2,555 btc is but the 3,000 is for nipplesuckcanuck and roommates and the 1,670 is for friendlychemist.

The other incident involved an FBI agent who was posing as a drug dealer on silk road. Eventually Ross asked him to kill an employee who was arrested and had stolen funds from silk road. The FBI staged the torture/murder of this person and was paid 80k from Ross.

So the truthful and honest FBI say!!!! Lol

So do the chat logs on the computer he was using and logged into silk road as DPR when he got arrested.

No wait, I'm sorry, Karpeles put those in there via torrent while he was downloading the colbert report.

The FBI are the biggest drug runners in the world bar none! Seriously, and they use guns to make sure it stays that way! They cause more deaths around the world than anyone else because of this! Not to mention the fear that is created from their bullshit! Anyone who listens to Ross knows he is the complete opposite! And he created genuine compitition! Governments, alphabet agencies and banksters don't like competition! Only thing he did wrong is opsec!

Uhh...do you have concrete proof? Otherwise this is just FUD

[fonenumba]

on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

There are 2 separate hitman incidents.

The friendlychemist/redandwhite/nipplesuckcanuck situation had nothing to do with the FBI, and the authorities can not find any murders related to these 5 alleged/attempted hits or even any names to match anyone in this scenario, but here is the address Ross sent the bitcoins to for these hits https://blockchain.info/address/1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL  Not sure what the 2,555 btc is but the 3,000 is for nipplesuckcanuck and roommates and the 1,670 is for friendlychemist.

The other incident involved an FBI agent who was posing as a drug dealer on silk road. Eventually Ross asked him to kill an employee who was arrested and had stolen funds from silk road. The FBI staged the torture/murder of this person and was paid 80k from Ross.

So the truthful and honest FBI say!!!! Lol

So do the chat logs on the computer he was using and logged into silk road as DPR when he got arrested.

No wait, I'm sorry, Karpeles put those in there via torrent while he was downloading the colbert report.

This evidence is certainly damming, however you need to remember how the FBI ultimately came into possession of this information. They essentially hacked into silk road servers via some kind of exploit and was likely unconstitutional

[calme]

The issue with allowing people to do...well whatever the choose with themselves is that most people don' have the knowledge(Well all people), to make the right decisions most of the time.

What is the right decision? Is there such a thing? Is it not simply a matter of getting high or not getting high and that neither are a right or wrong decision?

We are bound by our own biology, so we cannot have 100% freewill, knowledge, freedom etc(If we did, then you extremist Libertarians would be right, but since we don't the vast majority of you are wrong).

I don't understand what you are trying to say, but you're of course welcome to explain. But I certainly don't think the idea of legal drugs is extremist. I think it was extremist to ban those drugs and brainwash society toward being against them, even to the point where now it's considered extremist simply to think that all drugs should be legal.

An example is this: A uneducated person is persuaded by a peer to use Opium because in the short term it gives "benefits" such as relaxation, pain relief, reduced anxiety and impaired alertness and coordination. The person doesn't know any better because of his ignorance, so he goes ahead and takes the drug. Several years past and his body becomes more and more tolerant to the # of doses he has been taking, so he ups it continually, all the while his body becomes more tolerant and he is severely addicted(A wide variety of "hardcore" drugs are extremely addicting, to the point that after a certain period of time using them, your body physically depends on the drug or you will go into withdrawal and possibly die). The person gets to the point that he gets cancer, heart attack, has an overdose, and dozens more(A lot of which are fatal).

It's life; whatever happens happens. A lot of people live into old age with opiate addictions, by the way. The problems arise from lack of availability. Hence, why some governments supply heroin to addicts and help them find addict-friendly jobs.

Overall, my point is that people are not limitless creatures that know all there is(such as the effects or outcomes of doing this and that, etc), so, there has to be certain rules that people must generally abide by, or risk destruction of themselves and communities, so no, drugs should not be legal(mostly because of the dependency/highly addictive part, where after certain longterm use your body physically depends on the drug).

The people who set the rules are people too. And generally, the highest IQ people don't have much to do with making those rules, since they gravitate toward professions other than politics. Do you have so little trust in your own mind as to rely on rules created by people who don't even know you and probably don't even care about you?

[Phildo]

on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

There are 2 separate hitman incidents.

The friendlychemist/redandwhite/nipplesuckcanuck situation had nothing to do with the FBI, and the authorities can not find any murders related to these 5 alleged/attempted hits or even any names to match anyone in this scenario, but here is the address Ross sent the bitcoins to for these hits https://blockchain.info/address/1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL  Not sure what the 2,555 btc is but the 3,000 is for nipplesuckcanuck and roommates and the 1,670 is for friendlychemist.

The other incident involved an FBI agent who was posing as a drug dealer on silk road. Eventually Ross asked him to kill an employee who was arrested and had stolen funds from silk road. The FBI staged the torture/murder of this person and was paid 80k from Ross.

So the truthful and honest FBI say!!!! Lol

So do the chat logs on the computer he was using and logged into silk road as DPR when he got arrested.

No wait, I'm sorry, Karpeles put those in there via torrent while he was downloading the colbert report.

This evidence is certainly damming, however you need to remember how the FBI ultimately came into possession of this information. They essentially hacked into silk road servers via some kind of exploit and was likely unconstitutional

That is questionable, but that doesn't change the evidence that was on Ross' computer, that he was using, that was logged into SR as DPR.

[fonenumba]

on a German news site it said that the entire hitman stuff was all sting ops from FBI agents

not sure if it was a mistranslation? Did he actively attempt to hire a hitman and the "hitman" was an agent? Or was the ENTIRE hitman hiring process initiated and designed by the FBI?

In other words, would DPR have tried to hire a hitman at all, if the FBI would not have been involved?

There are 2 separate hitman incidents.

The friendlychemist/redandwhite/nipplesuckcanuck situation had nothing to do with the FBI, and the authorities can not find any murders related to these 5 alleged/attempted hits or even any names to match anyone in this scenario, but here is the address Ross sent the bitcoins to for these hits https://blockchain.info/address/1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL  Not sure what the 2,555 btc is but the 3,000 is for nipplesuckcanuck and roommates and the 1,670 is for friendlychemist.

The other incident involved an FBI agent who was posing as a drug dealer on silk road. Eventually Ross asked him to kill an employee who was arrested and had stolen funds from silk road. The FBI staged the torture/murder of this person and was paid 80k from Ross.

So the truthful and honest FBI say!!!! Lol

So do the chat logs on the computer he was using and logged into silk road as DPR when he got arrested.

No wait, I'm sorry, Karpeles put those in there via torrent while he was downloading the colbert report.

This evidence is certainly damming, however you need to remember how the FBI ultimately came into possession of this information. They essentially hacked into silk road servers via some kind of exploit and was likely unconstitutional

That is questionable, but that doesn't change the evidence that was on Ross' computer, that he was using, that was logged into SR as DPR.

Yea, so he probably is DPR, however the legal system and the US is built around both fairness and due process and fundamental rights. If he is not awarded due process throughout the process of gathering evidence or throughout his trial then his rights have been violated and society as a whole will have been harmed. If he really is a criminal then let law enforcement find/catch him via legal/constitutional means

[ajaxmoor]

video of his parents speaking after the trial, sad times from many angles

http://youtu.be/vkAgG6NhWVQ

Thats true that the whole thing wasn't presented.
They are making an example out of him, just like it was the case with Aaron Swartz.

[Bitware]

Mandatory federal sentencing guidelines requires he be sentenced to a MINIMUM of 20 years and a MAXIMUM of life in prison.

His lawyer said they will appeal.

[fonenumba]

Mandatory federal sentencing guidelines requires he be sentenced to a MINIMUM of 20 years and a MAXIMUM of life in prison.

His lawyer said they will appeal.

It will probably be at least 6 months before the appellate court even decides if they will hear his case and several additional months before they will make a decision.

I would put the chances of being greater then 75% that he will face another trial for the same charges

[vennali]

Mandatory federal sentencing guidelines requires he be sentenced to a MINIMUM of 20 years and a MAXIMUM of life in prison.

His lawyer said they will appeal.

It will probably be at least 6 months before the appellate court even decides if they will hear his case and several additional months before they will make a decision.

I would put the chances of being greater then 75% that he will face another trial for the same charges

Well..almost certain that he will have to serve life imprisonment.. Only god can save him now..(just my thoughts)

[fonenumba]

Mandatory federal sentencing guidelines requires he be sentenced to a MINIMUM of 20 years and a MAXIMUM of life in prison.

His lawyer said they will appeal.

It will probably be at least 6 months before the appellate court even decides if they will hear his case and several additional months before they will make a decision.

I would put the chances of being greater then 75% that he will face another trial for the same charges

Well..almost certain that he will have to serve life imprisonment.. Only god can save him now..(just my thoughts)

I would say that he will likely be sentenced to life in prison on the current case, however as mentioned above he will likely win at least one of his appeals which will likely result in at least some of the evidence thrown out (or potentially allow more evidence/testimony in his favor)

I would say the trial that he just went though will be largely ignored