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Title: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 27, 2015, 06:34:33 PM
Full-body transplants will be possible within two years, says controversial surgeon Sergio Canavero (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fullbody-transplants-will-be-possible-within-two-years-says-controversial-surgeon-sergio-canavero-10071112.html)

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The world’s first full-body transplant – in which someone’s head would be sewn onto a donor body – could take place in just two years, according to a controversial surgeon.
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Mr Canavero said: “I think we are now at a point when the technical aspects are all feasible. If society doesn't want it, I won't do it. But if people don't want it in the US or Europe, that doesn't mean it won't be done somewhere else. I'm trying to go about this the right way, but before going to the moon, you want to make sure people will follow you

A worthy comment from the site:

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Soon we will see 'rich wise heads on young shoulders'. Now the Western oligarchs will finally find some use for the younger poor and disadvantaged (So long as they have a healthy body)

What do you guys think?



Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Lethn on February 27, 2015, 07:04:03 PM
That brings new meaning to the label parasitic aristocracy.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 27, 2015, 07:26:01 PM
That brings new meaning to the label parasitic aristocracy.

Yeah, and a whole new meaning to the phrase "give head".


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: NotLambchops-GayLover on February 27, 2015, 08:07:28 PM
That brings new meaning to the label parasitic aristocracy.

Yeah, and a whole new meaning to the phrase "give head".
Two years is a bit optimistic i would say .
Talking about giving head the old way, my lover spends far to much time with the bitcoiners these days instead of going down


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: picolo on February 27, 2015, 08:16:18 PM
That brings new meaning to the label parasitic aristocracy.

Yeah, and a whole new meaning to the phrase "give head".
Two years is a bit optimistic i would say .
Talking about giving head the old way, my lover spends far to much time with the bitcoiners these days instead of going down

Very optimistic but it would incredible to be able to do it.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: TotalShift on February 27, 2015, 08:18:56 PM
This is interesting. How do they join two spinal cords?


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 27, 2015, 08:25:58 PM
This is interesting. How do they join two spinal cords?

Doctor Sergio Canavero certainly has something up his sleeve by proposing in 2013 the HEAVEN/GEMINI protocol for human head transplantation.

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In 1902, Stewart and Harte reported on  CN, aged 26 years, who had her spinal cord severed by a 0.32 caliber gunshot. The distance between the segments of the cord was 0.75 inch, as verified by all five attending physicians:
"The ends of the cord were then approximated with 3 chromicized catgut sutures passed by means of a small staphylorraphy needle, one suture being passed anteroposteriorly through the entire thickness of the cord and the other two being passed transversely. This part of the operation was attended with unusual difficulties because of…the wide interval between the fragments, the catgut frequently tearing out before the ends were finally brought together." Sixteen months later, "the patient slides out of bed into her chair by her own efforts and is able to stand with either hand on the back of a chair, thus supporting much of the weight of the body."

Look here (http://www.surgicalneurologyint.com/article.asp?issn=2152-7806;year=2015;volume=6;issue=1;spage=18;epage=18;aulast=Canavero) for more info.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: jaysabi on February 27, 2015, 09:22:16 PM
I can't see it ever being feasible, let alone in two years. That's the type of time frame you slap on your proclamation so the press covers it.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Lethn on February 27, 2015, 09:25:39 PM
I can't see it ever being feasible, let alone in two years. That's the type of time frame you slap on your proclamation so the press covers it.

Even if it is possible, it would be like Necromancy except without the magic, utterly fucked up medical science piecing peoples' body parts together onto one person for the sake of lengthening their lifespan and you also have the issue of the black market and what criminals would do with that kind of technology.

I don't think that kind of technology in particular should exist in the first place.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 27, 2015, 09:26:28 PM
I can't see it ever being feasible, let alone in two years. That's the type of time frame you slap on your proclamation so the press covers it.

What is not feasible? Finding a decent body if you have billions in your pockets? There had been similar surgeries on dogs (by the Soviets in 1950s) and on a monkey in 1970, the main obstacle being rejection by the body’s immune system (which seems to be mainly overcome by now).


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 27, 2015, 09:30:32 PM
I can't see it ever being feasible, let alone in two years. That's the type of time frame you slap on your proclamation so the press covers it.

Even if it is possible, it would be like Necromancy except without the magic, utterly fucked up medical science piecing peoples' body parts together onto one person for the sake of lengthening their lifespan and you also have the issue of the black market and what criminals would do with that kind of technology.

I don't think that kind of technology in particular should exist in the first place.

What about transplantation of hearts, kidneys, livers, etc? Do we not have the black market for organ transplantation right now?

Besides that, the real necromancy is bringing dead people back to life. Should we ban resuscitators?


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: jaysabi on February 27, 2015, 09:39:15 PM
I can't see it ever being feasible, let alone in two years. That's the type of time frame you slap on your proclamation so the press covers it.

What is not feasible? Finding a decent body if you have billions in your pockets? There had been similar surgeries on dogs (by the Soviets in 1950s) and on a monkey in 1970, the main obstacle being rejection by the body’s immune system (which is now mainly overcome).

Sewing a monky's head on another monkey body is not analogous to a human head transplant where you hope to have any quality of life afterwards. The science is what I find unfeasible, or the fact that it would ever be deemed ethically acceptable.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Lethn on February 27, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
I can't see it ever being feasible, let alone in two years. That's the type of time frame you slap on your proclamation so the press covers it.

Even if it is possible, it would be like Necromancy except without the magic, utterly fucked up medical science piecing peoples' body parts together onto one person for the sake of lengthening their lifespan and you also have the issue of the black market and what criminals would do with that kind of technology.

I don't think that kind of technology in particular should exist in the first place.

What about transplantation of hearts, kidneys, livers, etc? Do we not have the black market for organ transplantation right now?

Besides that, the real necromancy is bringing dead people back to life. Should we ban resuscitators?

I knew people would bring that up :P yeah but they aren't from living unwilling victims are they? Which is where my worry comes from,  besides, we have embryo's etc. for growing that shit now without killing off a healthy human being that's already fully grown.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: rokkyroad on February 27, 2015, 09:43:37 PM
Nasty.

Frankenstein for real. No thanks.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 27, 2015, 09:44:04 PM
I can't see it ever being feasible, let alone in two years. That's the type of time frame you slap on your proclamation so the press covers it.

What is not feasible? Finding a decent body if you have billions in your pockets? There had been similar surgeries on dogs (by the Soviets in 1950s) and on a monkey in 1970, the main obstacle being rejection by the body’s immune system (which is now mainly overcome).

Sewing a monky's head on another monkey body is not analogous to a human head transplant where you hope to have any quality of life afterwards. The science is what I find unfeasible, or the fact that it would ever be deemed ethically acceptable.

Ethical questions aside, did you follow the link I provided?


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 27, 2015, 09:50:34 PM
I can't see it ever being feasible, let alone in two years. That's the type of time frame you slap on your proclamation so the press covers it.

Even if it is possible, it would be like Necromancy except without the magic, utterly fucked up medical science piecing peoples' body parts together onto one person for the sake of lengthening their lifespan and you also have the issue of the black market and what criminals would do with that kind of technology.

I don't think that kind of technology in particular should exist in the first place.

What about transplantation of hearts, kidneys, livers, etc? Do we not have the black market for organ transplantation right now?

Besides that, the real necromancy is bringing dead people back to life. Should we ban resuscitators?

I knew people would bring that up :P yeah but they aren't from living unwilling victims are they? Which is where my worry comes from,  besides, we have embryo's etc. for growing that shit now without killing off a healthy human being that's already fully grown.

I'm afraid that you have never heard about organ theft in Kosovo, i.e. kidnapping people, organ harvesting and then killing the victims. Now the same is allegedly happening in Ukraine, where organs of heavily wounded Ukrainian soldiers are said to be used for transplantation.

Actually, I don't see much difference between taking an organ from a not yet dead body, or the whole body. In fact, usually not just one organ is taken from one body.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Chef Ramsay on February 27, 2015, 09:54:29 PM
Nasty.

Frankenstein for real. No thanks.
Yeah, I'm creeped out by this subject as well. Thoughts about severing spinal cords and reattaching heads to other bodies is like the "Brave New World" on steroids. If possible, we're no way near anything like this being legitimately possible nor legal to try. Then again we're talking elitists most likely the beneficiaries of such things - so all bets are off.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Lethn on February 27, 2015, 09:55:08 PM
Ugh, it's not like I don't know about the black market organs, but that's the thing, if it goes past organs then we're going to see people getting their body parts randomly hacked off for transplanations, as Ramsay just wrote, that's the kind of thing I'm thinking about too.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: jaysabi on February 27, 2015, 09:56:16 PM
I can't see it ever being feasible, let alone in two years. That's the type of time frame you slap on your proclamation so the press covers it.

What is not feasible? Finding a decent body if you have billions in your pockets? There had been similar surgeries on dogs (by the Soviets in 1950s) and on a monkey in 1970, the main obstacle being rejection by the body’s immune system (which is now mainly overcome).

Sewing a monky's head on another monkey body is not analogous to a human head transplant where you hope to have any quality of life afterwards. The science is what I find unfeasible, or the fact that it would ever be deemed ethically acceptable.

Ethical questions aside, did you follow the link I provided?

To the article? Yeah. I also noted the two neurosurgeons they quoted who said this wasn't feasible.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 27, 2015, 10:02:05 PM
Ugh, it's not like I don't know about the black market organs, but that's the thing, if it goes past organs then we're going to see people getting their body parts randomly hacked off for transplanations, as Ramsay just wrote, that's the kind of thing I'm thinking about too.

Good morning, sir! Sewing back cut-off body parts is common now. Not from the original body as well. I remember a German farmer who had lost his both arms got "new" ones a few years ago. It was in the news.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 27, 2015, 10:03:41 PM
I can't see it ever being feasible, let alone in two years. That's the type of time frame you slap on your proclamation so the press covers it.

What is not feasible? Finding a decent body if you have billions in your pockets? There had been similar surgeries on dogs (by the Soviets in 1950s) and on a monkey in 1970, the main obstacle being rejection by the body’s immune system (which is now mainly overcome).

Sewing a monky's head on another monkey body is not analogous to a human head transplant where you hope to have any quality of life afterwards. The science is what I find unfeasible, or the fact that it would ever be deemed ethically acceptable.

Ethical questions aside, did you follow the link I provided?

To the article? Yeah. I also noted the two neurosurgeons they quoted who said this wasn't feasible.

No, I meant this (http://www.surgicalneurologyint.com/article.asp?issn=2152-7806;year=2015;volume=6;issue=1;spage=18;epage=18;aulast=Canavero) link. Note that the article by this link got included in Pubmed.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: jaysabi on February 27, 2015, 10:24:06 PM
I can't see it ever being feasible, let alone in two years. That's the type of time frame you slap on your proclamation so the press covers it.

What is not feasible? Finding a decent body if you have billions in your pockets? There had been similar surgeries on dogs (by the Soviets in 1950s) and on a monkey in 1970, the main obstacle being rejection by the body’s immune system (which is now mainly overcome).

Sewing a monky's head on another monkey body is not analogous to a human head transplant where you hope to have any quality of life afterwards. The science is what I find unfeasible, or the fact that it would ever be deemed ethically acceptable.

Ethical questions aside, did you follow the link I provided?

To the article? Yeah. I also noted the two neurosurgeons they quoted who said this wasn't feasible.

No, I meant this (http://www.surgicalneurologyint.com/article.asp?issn=2152-7806;year=2015;volume=6;issue=1;spage=18;epage=18;aulast=Canavero) link. Note that the article by this link got included in Pubmed.

This source doesn't do me much good. It includes a lot of medical jargon which I do not understand. I surmise that doctors reattached a severed spinal cord? If this is accurate, it's still the existing spinal cord of one individual that was previously intact. That's not nearly the same as attaching the brain stem and spinal cord of one individual into the body of another individual and having any degree of mobility. Based just on my impression of the feasibility of the procedure, I still have to side with the two other neurosurgeons they quoted in the original article as saying such a transplant is not feasible.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 27, 2015, 10:28:04 PM
I can't see it ever being feasible, let alone in two years. That's the type of time frame you slap on your proclamation so the press covers it.

What is not feasible? Finding a decent body if you have billions in your pockets? There had been similar surgeries on dogs (by the Soviets in 1950s) and on a monkey in 1970, the main obstacle being rejection by the body’s immune system (which is now mainly overcome).

Sewing a monky's head on another monkey body is not analogous to a human head transplant where you hope to have any quality of life afterwards. The science is what I find unfeasible, or the fact that it would ever be deemed ethically acceptable.

Ethical questions aside, did you follow the link I provided?

To the article? Yeah. I also noted the two neurosurgeons they quoted who said this wasn't feasible.

No, I meant this (http://www.surgicalneurologyint.com/article.asp?issn=2152-7806;year=2015;volume=6;issue=1;spage=18;epage=18;aulast=Canavero) link. Note that the article by this link got included in Pubmed.

This source doesn't do me much good. It includes a lot of medical jargon which I do not understand. I surmise that doctors reattached a severed spinal cord? If this is accurate, it's still the existing spinal cord of one individual that was previously intact. That's not nearly the same as attaching the brain stem and spinal cord of one individual into the body of another individual and having any degree of mobility. Based just on my impression of the feasibility of the procedure, I still have to side with the two other neurosurgeons they quoted in the original article as saying such a transplant is not feasible.

Okay, in my previous post I mentioned about a German farmer who lost his hands. Here's the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZwkYtqcmZ0) (strictly 18+).

Is he a Frankenstein?


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: galdur on February 27, 2015, 10:32:04 PM
Maybe as vegetables moving around in wheelchairs if that. But if someone can somehow scam the wealthy out of money for this, good for them.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 27, 2015, 10:35:22 PM
Maybe as vegetables moving around in wheelchairs if that. But if someone can somehow scam the wealthy out of money for this, good for them.

You seem not to understand the term vegetative state in this context, which is a disorder of consciousness. And many elders are already in the wheelchairs, so what's the difference?


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: galdur on February 27, 2015, 10:40:48 PM
Maybe as vegetables moving around in wheelchairs if that. But if someone can somehow scam the wealthy out of money for this, good for them.

You seem not to understand the term vegetative state in this context, which is a disorder of consciousness. And many elders are already in the wheelchairs, so what's the difference?

I understand the term vegetative state but I don´t understand why anyone would be upset by imagining that I don´t. I do appreciate the concern though, I think.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Lethn on February 27, 2015, 10:41:52 PM
Ugh, it's not like I don't know about the black market organs, but that's the thing, if it goes past organs then we're going to see people getting their body parts randomly hacked off for transplanations, as Ramsay just wrote, that's the kind of thing I'm thinking about too.

Good morning, sir! Sewing back cut-off body parts is common now. Not from the original body as well. I remember a German farmer who had lost his both arms got "new" ones a few years ago. It was in the news.

*head desks* :(


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 27, 2015, 10:45:00 PM
Maybe as vegetables moving around in wheelchairs if that. But if someone can somehow scam the wealthy out of money for this, good for them.

You seem not to understand the term vegetative state in this context, which is a disorder of consciousness. And many elders are already in the wheelchairs, so what's the difference?

I understand the term vegetative state but I don´t understand why anyone would be upset by imagining that I don´t. I do appreciate the concern though, I think.

What about Steve Hawking then? Is he a vegetable or what? Would you deny him a healthy body from someone who shot himself in the head?


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Bit_Happy on February 27, 2015, 10:48:17 PM
I'm heading out, and when I return will plunge head-long into making headway on a new digital hedge-fund. Everyone remain headstrong and buy lots of BTC.  :D


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: galdur on February 27, 2015, 10:48:34 PM
Maybe as vegetables moving around in wheelchairs if that. But if someone can somehow scam the wealthy out of money for this, good for them.

You seem not to understand the term vegetative state in this context, which is a disorder of consciousness. And many elders are already in the wheelchairs, so what's the difference?

I understand the term vegetative state but I don´t understand why anyone would be upset by imagining that I don´t. I do appreciate the concern though, I think.

What about Steve Hawking then? Is he a vegetable or what?

No, I didn´t have his state in mind. Nor elderly and otherwise alert people in wheelchairs. My vision of those with the transplanted heads is ugly beyond words, let´s leave it at that  ;D


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 27, 2015, 10:49:47 PM
I'm heading out, and when I return will plunge head-long into making headway on a new digital hedge-fund. Everyone remain headstrong and buy lots of BTC.  :D

Don't lose you head!


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: jaysabi on February 27, 2015, 10:55:10 PM
I can't see it ever being feasible, let alone in two years. That's the type of time frame you slap on your proclamation so the press covers it.

What is not feasible? Finding a decent body if you have billions in your pockets? There had been similar surgeries on dogs (by the Soviets in 1950s) and on a monkey in 1970, the main obstacle being rejection by the body’s immune system (which is now mainly overcome).

Sewing a monky's head on another monkey body is not analogous to a human head transplant where you hope to have any quality of life afterwards. The science is what I find unfeasible, or the fact that it would ever be deemed ethically acceptable.

Ethical questions aside, did you follow the link I provided?

To the article? Yeah. I also noted the two neurosurgeons they quoted who said this wasn't feasible.

No, I meant this (http://www.surgicalneurologyint.com/article.asp?issn=2152-7806;year=2015;volume=6;issue=1;spage=18;epage=18;aulast=Canavero) link. Note that the article by this link got included in Pubmed.

This source doesn't do me much good. It includes a lot of medical jargon which I do not understand. I surmise that doctors reattached a severed spinal cord? If this is accurate, it's still the existing spinal cord of one individual that was previously intact. That's not nearly the same as attaching the brain stem and spinal cord of one individual into the body of another individual and having any degree of mobility. Based just on my impression of the feasibility of the procedure, I still have to side with the two other neurosurgeons they quoted in the original article as saying such a transplant is not feasible.

Okay, in my previous post I mentioned about a German farmer who lost his hands. Here's the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZwkYtqcmZ0) (strictly 18+).

Is he a Frankenstein?

I'm a bit apprehensive clicking on anything that says "strictly 18+". Is this a grisly and/or graphic video? I didn't make the Frankenstein comment, so I'm not sure that was supposed to be directed at me. I don't think people with transplanted organs or appendages necessarily are. But a head is another thing entirely, because the replacement of appendages isn't the replacement of the self. Identity travels with the head, so attaching a head to another body would qualify as Frankenstein-level, if that is relevant to anything discussed here. And the successful attachment of an appendage, like hands, does not foretell the feasibility of something far more complex, like brain stem and spine. Having useful hands after a hand transplant doesn't translate to having useful motor functions after a head transplant.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 27, 2015, 11:16:20 PM
This source doesn't do me much good. It includes a lot of medical jargon which I do not understand. I surmise that doctors reattached a severed spinal cord? If this is accurate, it's still the existing spinal cord of one individual that was previously intact. That's not nearly the same as attaching the brain stem and spinal cord of one individual into the body of another individual and having any degree of mobility. Based just on my impression of the feasibility of the procedure, I still have to side with the two other neurosurgeons they quoted in the original article as saying such a transplant is not feasible.

Okay, in my previous post I mentioned about a German farmer who lost his hands. Here's the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZwkYtqcmZ0) (strictly 18+).

Is he a Frankenstein?

I'm a bit apprehensive clicking on anything that says "strictly 18+". Is this a grisly and/or graphic video?

That was a joke really (Frankenstein style). The video seems to be from the news, there is nothing grisly or gory about it. Go watch without fear.

I didn't make the Frankenstein comment, so I'm not sure that was supposed to be directed at me. I don't think people with transplanted organs or appendages necessarily are. But a head is another thing entirely, because the replacement of appendages isn't the replacement of the self. Identity travels with the head, so attaching a head to another body would qualify as Frankenstein-level, if that is relevant to anything discussed here. And the successful attachment of an appendage, like hands, does not foretell the feasibility of something far more complex, like brain stem and spine. Having useful hands after a hand transplant doesn't translate to having useful motor functions after a head transplant.

Just attaching hands is not enough, but if these "new" hands are controllable (and they are), it is quite another story. And yes, it does foretell that attaching the whole body AND making it controllable is feasible.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: alani123 on February 27, 2015, 11:17:37 PM
Can someone  or something bump this 2 years later?


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: AnalizeSituation on February 27, 2015, 11:27:46 PM
Ohhhhhhh

if this true
i am not be suicide my situation  :'(


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: galdur on February 27, 2015, 11:37:08 PM
They better hurry. D.R. is about a century old. He´s got to be about to kick the bucket

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/351426/slide_351426_3793070_sq50.jpg


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 27, 2015, 11:39:18 PM
They better hurry. D.R. is about a century old. He´s got to be about to kick the bucket

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/351426/slide_351426_3793070_sq50.jpg

I keep an eye on him for a few years already. He is still kicking and overground. Let's not forget about Hugh Hefner as well.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: galdur on February 27, 2015, 11:46:24 PM
Yeah, David will probably last for a few years more. He fills the century next June 12th.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: patt0 on February 28, 2015, 03:49:58 AM
They better hurry. D.R. is about a century old. He´s got to be about to kick the bucket

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/351426/slide_351426_3793070_sq50.jpg

It would be weird seeing an old looking head on a 20 year old body lol.
I think this will be possible but two years is too little time. But if they know where to connect everything then maybe human heads on full robot bodies is also possible! xD


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: galdur on February 28, 2015, 04:20:45 AM
They better hurry. D.R. is about a century old. He´s got to be about to kick the bucket

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/351426/slide_351426_3793070_sq50.jpg

It would be weird seeing an old looking head on a 20 year old body lol.
I think this will be possible but two years is too little time. But if they know where to connect everything then maybe human heads on full robot bodies is also possible! xD

Don´t know about David, but your average 100 year old brain most likely doesn´t have a lot of meaningful functionality left.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tss on February 28, 2015, 05:04:29 AM
This is interesting. How do they join two spinal cords?

good question.  we can't repair spinal cord damage yet but in two years they claim to fully transplant a head and reconnect all those nerves?  i think not.  also.. where do you get a donor body.?


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: (oYo) on February 28, 2015, 05:42:09 AM
So... hold off on exercising for a few more years and just get a fit body transplant?  ;)
http://pixhst.com/avaxhome/27/9c/000e9c27_medium.jpeg


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 28, 2015, 11:51:32 AM
This is interesting. How do they join two spinal cords?

good question.  we can't repair spinal cord damage yet but in two years they claim to fully transplant a head and reconnect all those nerves?  i think not.  also.. where do you get a donor body.?

The doctor in his article (which is included in PubMed, not in the OP) says that if the spinal cord is severed by a sharp cut, then the chances are pretty good for recovering at least partial motility.

Below is the relevant part from that paper:

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The key to SCF is a sharp severance of the cords themselves, with its attendant minimal damage to both the axons in the white matter and the neurons in the gray laminae. This is a key point: A typical force generated by creating a sharp transection is less than 10 N versus approximately 26000 N experienced during spinal cord injury

A specially fashioned diamond microtomic snare-blade is one option (unpublished); a nanoknife made of a thin layer of silicon nitride with a nanometer sharp cutting edge is another alternative. Notably, the mechanical strength of silicon is superior to that of steel

He also notes that other studies have revealed that rats whose spinal cords were sharply transected recovered ambulation (ability to move).


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: picolo on February 28, 2015, 02:27:24 PM
This is interesting. How do they join two spinal cords?

good question.  we can't repair spinal cord damage yet but in two years they claim to fully transplant a head and reconnect all those nerves?  i think not.  also.. where do you get a donor body.?

If they didn't try it, it means they are missing something. A donor body could be someone who had a fatal brain problem of some sort.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 28, 2015, 02:31:57 PM
This is interesting. How do they join two spinal cords?

good question.  we can't repair spinal cord damage yet but in two years they claim to fully transplant a head and reconnect all those nerves?  i think not.  also.. where do you get a donor body.?

If they didn't try it, it means they are missing something. A donor body could be someone who had a fatal brain problem of some sort.

There are a lot of car accident victims who have their heads terribly and lethally damaged but bodies mostly intact. They (the doctor and company) are missing public and authorities approval obviously.

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If society doesn't want it, I won't do it. But if people don't want it in the US or Europe, that doesn't mean it won't be done somewhere else. I'm trying to go about this the right way, but before going to the moon, you want to make sure people will follow you

Why won't you guys finally go and read the article?


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tss on March 01, 2015, 06:37:37 AM
This is interesting. How do they join two spinal cords?

good question.  we can't repair spinal cord damage yet but in two years they claim to fully transplant a head and reconnect all those nerves?  i think not.  also.. where do you get a donor body.?

The doctor in his article (which is included in PubMed, not in the OP) says that if the spinal cord is severed by a sharp cut, then the chances are pretty good for recovering at least partial motility.

Below is the relevant part from that paper:

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The key to SCF is a sharp severance of the cords themselves, with its attendant minimal damage to both the axons in the white matter and the neurons in the gray laminae. This is a key point: A typical force generated by creating a sharp transection is less than 10 N versus approximately 26000 N experienced during spinal cord injury

A specially fashioned diamond microtomic snare-blade is one option (unpublished); a nanoknife made of a thin layer of silicon nitride with a nanometer sharp cutting edge is another alternative. Notably, the mechanical strength of silicon is superior to that of steel

He also notes that other studies have revealed that rats whose spinal cords were sharply transected recovered ambulation (ability to move).

the rat's spine was cut sharply and rejoined in the same section. same rat, same spine.

so then you say the key to spinal cord repair is 2 sharp cuts above and below the injury then a joining of the sections?  why hasn't this been tried before?  


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: bronan on March 01, 2015, 06:40:11 AM
It has been tried several thousands of times only a straight cut is not the answer.
People have been experimenting with this for several ages, with more or less succes.
Yes even on humans in the wars


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on March 01, 2015, 09:15:39 AM
This is interesting. How do they join two spinal cords?

good question.  we can't repair spinal cord damage yet but in two years they claim to fully transplant a head and reconnect all those nerves?  i think not.  also.. where do you get a donor body.?

The doctor in his article (which is included in PubMed, not in the OP) says that if the spinal cord is severed by a sharp cut, then the chances are pretty good for recovering at least partial motility.

Below is the relevant part from that paper:

Quote
The key to SCF is a sharp severance of the cords themselves, with its attendant minimal damage to both the axons in the white matter and the neurons in the gray laminae. This is a key point: A typical force generated by creating a sharp transection is less than 10 N versus approximately 26000 N experienced during spinal cord injury

A specially fashioned diamond microtomic snare-blade is one option (unpublished); a nanoknife made of a thin layer of silicon nitride with a nanometer sharp cutting edge is another alternative. Notably, the mechanical strength of silicon is superior to that of steel

He also notes that other studies have revealed that rats whose spinal cords were sharply transected recovered ambulation (ability to move).

the rat's spine was cut sharply and rejoined in the same section. same rat, same spine.

so then you say the key to spinal cord repair is 2 sharp cuts above and below the injury then a joining of the sections?  why hasn't this been tried before? 

I'm absolutely sure that this has already been tried many times (with mixed success). After an injury, the patient isn't usually operated right on the spot (I mean spinal cord surgeries), and with every hour passed his chances for successful recovery are diminishing. Besides that, I think the majority of spinal cord injuries are not cut-throughs but fractures and tears, under which a larger section of the cord is damaged.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on March 01, 2015, 09:21:25 AM
It has been tried several thousands of times only a straight cut is not the answer.
People have been experimenting with this for several ages, with more or less succes.
Yes even on humans in the wars

The doctor says about sharp cut, as you seem to have failed to notice. And he explains precisely what is meant by this, i.e. "a nanoknife made of a thin layer of silicon nitride with a nanometer sharp cutting edge". Nanometer sharp cutting edge means that the cutting edge thickness is just a few atoms/molecules (if not a single molecule of silicon nitride).

There's plenty of room at the bottom.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: havecoch on March 01, 2015, 12:23:06 PM
This might promote organ or body kidnapping. But I doubt this will ever be a reality. Why would you want to lose your body for someone elses.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: galdur on March 01, 2015, 02:46:45 PM
But brains degenerate over time. What use is having your head on a young body if you hardly know your ass from your elbow ? So to speak.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: TotalShift on March 01, 2015, 02:54:57 PM
But brains degenerate over time. What use is having your head on a young body if you hardly know your ass from your elbow ? So to speak.

This is for now. I'm sure a cure will be discovered soon in our lifetime.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Biomech on March 02, 2015, 03:11:20 PM
Where I see greater potential, and this appears to be research in the right direction, is cybernetic bodies with organic brains as a means of life extension, or cloning a fresh body and implanting your brain into it. Both are rather futuristic, but the one prediction you can make with certainty regarding new technologies is that you can't accurately predict a timeline. The prerequisites for an assembler already exist, based on the Drexler's "the Engines of Creation", but so far nobody has done it. Unless in secret..


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: BillyBobZorton on March 02, 2015, 03:48:26 PM
Full-body transplants will be possible within two years, says controversial surgeon Sergio Canavero (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fullbody-transplants-will-be-possible-within-two-years-says-controversial-surgeon-sergio-canavero-10071112.html)

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The world’s first full-body transplant – in which someone’s head would be sewn onto a donor body – could take place in just two years, according to a controversial surgeon.
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Mr Canavero said: “I think we are now at a point when the technical aspects are all feasible. If society doesn't want it, I won't do it. But if people don't want it in the US or Europe, that doesn't mean it won't be done somewhere else. I'm trying to go about this the right way, but before going to the moon, you want to make sure people will follow you

A worthy comment from the site:

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Soon we will see 'rich wise heads on young shoulders'. Now the Western oligarchs will finally find some use for the younger poor and disadvantaged (So long as they have a healthy body)

What do you guys think?



Obvious scam. This is like a pump and dump. They hype up a supossedly revolutionary thing, then it turns out a scam. Don't buy on this.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: DiFranco on March 02, 2015, 03:54:21 PM
This is interesting. How do they join two spinal cords?

good question.  we can't repair spinal cord damage yet but in two years they claim to fully transplant a head and reconnect all those nerves?  i think not.  also.. where do you get a donor body.?

I think it'll be a lot  longer than two years before this happens if ever. I saw that they tried this experiment years ago on a monkey but it only survived a few hours. There's a documentary on vice. Could be bullshit though but it seemed real. I'm not sure if I'd want somebody elses body if I was crippled. Some things just arent meant to be fixed once broken.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Lethn on March 02, 2015, 04:41:52 PM
This is interesting. How do they join two spinal cords?

good question.  we can't repair spinal cord damage yet but in two years they claim to fully transplant a head and reconnect all those nerves?  i think not.  also.. where do you get a donor body.?

I think it'll be a lot  longer than two years before this happens if ever. I saw that they tried this experiment years ago on a monkey but it only survived a few hours. There's a documentary on vice. Could be bullshit though but it seemed real. I'm not sure if I'd want somebody elses body if I was crippled. Some things just arent meant to be fixed once broken.

There are far more sophisticated and frankly ethical ways of doing it to begin with like growing skin cells or cybernetics which are actually being proven to work than this crazy necromancy so it seems like this is just tryig to re-invent the wheel in a really fucked up way.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 02, 2015, 05:00:40 PM
In the context of this thread, I want to commemorate the great Soviet-Russian scientist, the founding father of transplantation, Vladimir Petrovich Demnihov (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%85%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80_%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87).

Among his other experiments, were transplantations of dogs' heads in 1954, where the donor and recipient lived on one body after the operation.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-61478-0004%2C_Kopftransplantation_durch_Physiologen_Demichow.jpg


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on March 03, 2015, 09:34:02 PM
This might promote organ or body kidnapping. But I doubt this will ever be a reality. Why would you want to lose your body for someone elses.

Organ theft from prisoners of war or just kidnapped people is already there. Should we then ban organ transplantion at all, and how this ban would stop what is already declared illegal and being chased after?


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: pedrog on March 03, 2015, 09:42:10 PM
I'm quite skeptical about the viability of this transplant, and even if it can be done, in case of rejection I guess the head is the one being rejected. :D


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on March 03, 2015, 09:43:16 PM
This is interesting. How do they join two spinal cords?

good question.  we can't repair spinal cord damage yet but in two years they claim to fully transplant a head and reconnect all those nerves?  i think not.  also.. where do you get a donor body.?

I think it'll be a lot  longer than two years before this happens if ever. I saw that they tried this experiment years ago on a monkey but it only survived a few hours. There's a documentary on vice. Could be bullshit though but it seemed real. I'm not sure if I'd want somebody elses body if I was crippled. Some things just arent meant to be fixed once broken.

That monkey had lived for 11 days, if I'm not mistaken. It died because of the complications from the immune system response (and they didn't attach the spinal cords, by the way). These problems are largely overcome by now through the use of immunosuppressants (and will be completely eliminated by gene therapy in the future). Suffice it to say, that about 3,500 heart transplants are performed annually worldwide.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Gyfts on March 03, 2015, 10:53:42 PM
I did some looking into things like this. I'm not as optimistic. Things like this have a lot of speculation associated with them, and it's not uncommon for a topic like this to be expected soon. For it to be operational in two years, very unlikely in my opinion. The technology is there, but I doubt we could execute something like this.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on March 04, 2015, 02:34:51 AM
I did some looking into things like this. I'm not as optimistic. Things like this have a lot of speculation associated with them, and it's not uncommon for a topic like this to be expected soon. For it to be operational in two years, very unlikely in my opinion. The technology is there, but I doubt we could execute something like this.

You're just being too pessimistic.

Where I see greater potential, and this appears to be research in the right direction, is cybernetic bodies with organic brains as a means of life extension, or cloning a fresh body and implanting your brain into it. Both are rather futuristic, but the one prediction you can make with certainty regarding new technologies is that you can't accurately predict a timeline. The prerequisites for an assembler already exist, based on the Drexler's "the Engines of Creation", but so far nobody has done it. Unless in secret..

This seems to be overly futuristic. Regarding synthetic bodies with organic brains, to date, we can only make an artificial heart, which costs around 200k euro at the moment and the recipient of which has to carry a portable power source with him. But the heart is just a muscle.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: bryant.coleman on March 04, 2015, 02:46:08 AM
lol.... this will be interesting. For example, imagine if a billionaire is kidnapped by some con-men and his body is completely transplanted. All of his assets would now be under the control of the guy who has transplanted in to his body.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on March 04, 2015, 07:09:04 AM
lol.... this will be interesting. For example, imagine if a billionaire is kidnapped by some con-men and his body is completely transplanted. All of his assets would now be under the control of the guy who has transplanted in to his body.

Without the billionaire's authentic head, his body won't be... hmm, sui juris, so to speak, i.e. won't have the capacity to manage its own affairs.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: BADecker on March 04, 2015, 04:31:48 PM
It is now obvious that some people are taking this advice, to not lose your head because full body transplants are available.

From the thread Zombies apocalypse is coming (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=966683.0):






https://i.imgur.com/91vNP21.jpg

Can anybody explain this dog?

Either Halloween or Photoshop.    :D

:)


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on April 10, 2015, 01:14:40 PM
Breaking news (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3029376/Russian-volunteer-head-transplant-operation-Valery-Spiridonov-says-no-choice-undergo-7-5million-procedure-controversial-Italian-surgeon-Dr-Sergio-Canavero.html)! The terminally ill man set to be first to undergo the world's first full head transplant pioneered by Dr. Sergio Canavero:

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A man with a fatal medical condition says he is ready to put his trust in controversial surgeon Dr Sergio Canavero who claims he can cut off his head and attach it to a healthy body. Mr Spiridonov, 30, a computer scientist from Russia, said: 'My decision is final and I do not plan to change my mind.' As a lifelong sufferer of the rare genetic Werdnig-Hoffman muscle wasting disease, he says he wants the chance of a new body before he dies


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: galdur on April 10, 2015, 03:09:17 PM
First human head-to-body transplant: Russian man to undergo revolutionary surgery

Doctors seem to be a step closer to performing a breakthrough surgery: transplanting a human head onto another body - READ MORE http://on.rt.com/4gj71n

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhjqXOzJr_E


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: thejaytiesto on April 10, 2015, 03:23:01 PM
Probably a hype job to boost stocks related to that Dr/someone related to him. I totally do not buy this crap.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: WhatTheGox on April 10, 2015, 03:37:52 PM
Full-body transplants will be possible within two years, says controversial surgeon Sergio Canavero (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fullbody-transplants-will-be-possible-within-two-years-says-controversial-surgeon-sergio-canavero-10071112.html)

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The world’s first full-body transplant – in which someone’s head would be sewn onto a donor body – could take place in just two years, according to a controversial surgeon.
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Mr Canavero said: “I think we are now at a point when the technical aspects are all feasible. If society doesn't want it, I won't do it. But if people don't want it in the US or Europe, that doesn't mean it won't be done somewhere else. I'm trying to go about this the right way, but before going to the moon, you want to make sure people will follow you

A worthy comment from the site:

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Soon we will see 'rich wise heads on young shoulders'. Now the Western oligarchs will finally find some use for the younger poor and disadvantaged (So long as they have a healthy body)

What do you guys think?



This is totally insane if possible, personality would change dramatically i should imagine, much of the body does some of the thinking (sayings like trust your gut came around for a reason).   


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: u9y42 on April 13, 2015, 11:27:13 PM
This is totally insane if possible, personality would change dramatically i should imagine, much of the body does some of the thinking (sayings like trust your gut came around for a reason).  

I'm not so sure about that - how much thinking do you do with your hands? ;)

Or really, your heart, kidneys, or anything else people can already replace?





Probably a hype job to boost stocks related to that Dr/someone related to him. I totally do not buy this crap.

Well, they apparently need to come up with the $11 million for the whole procedure first, but assuming funding isn't an issue, the operation itself may end up being performed as early as next year (going by the article tee-rex posted above) - so, I guess we'll know for sure soon enough.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: llanillo on April 13, 2015, 11:50:07 PM
So now the multimillion people, besides having money will be immortal now? !! ... We'll see the persons selling their bodies on the streets.. lel ;D


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on April 16, 2015, 04:28:22 PM
So now the multimillion people, besides having money will be immortal now? !! ... We'll see the persons selling their bodies on the streets.. lel ;D

This has been discussed earlier in the thread. There are a number of well-known people from the wealthy elite (headed by David, pardon the pun) who might at least consider financing such an operation if asked.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on June 24, 2015, 10:34:32 AM
A Chinese surgeon has been surgically transplanting the heads of mice and performed 1,000 head transplants. He is moving up the food chain, and now he wants to perform head transplants on monkeys (that can live "at least for a little while"). Humans are next.

http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article10304123.ece/alternates/w620/micewsj.jpg


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: pureelite on June 24, 2015, 03:17:52 PM
Full-body transplants will be possible within two years, says controversial surgeon Sergio Canavero (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fullbody-transplants-will-be-possible-within-two-years-says-controversial-surgeon-sergio-canavero-10071112.html)

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The world’s first full-body transplant – in which someone’s head would be sewn onto a donor body – could take place in just two years, according to a controversial surgeon.
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Mr Canavero said: “I think we are now at a point when the technical aspects are all feasible. If society doesn't want it, I won't do it. But if people don't want it in the US or Europe, that doesn't mean it won't be done somewhere else. I'm trying to go about this the right way, but before going to the moon, you want to make sure people will follow you

A worthy comment from the site:

Quote
Soon we will see 'rich wise heads on young shoulders'. Now the Western oligarchs will finally find some use for the younger poor and disadvantaged (So long as they have a healthy body)

What do you guys think?



It is all advancing so rapidly, this does look unimaginable, but it is quite possible, just given the fact that thing we thought were impossible couple years ago are now being developed.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: mayflor2 on June 25, 2015, 01:48:55 PM
Imagine how scary it is for the future of humanity, where bodies are just pots for our souls and these pots could be shattered and broken just to fix another broken pot. It is unnatural and it might give rise to more flesh trade where humans are just another body for the head of a rich man.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Aayush on June 25, 2015, 01:52:44 PM
20/20 vision forever
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/06/19/the-8-minute-surgery-that-will-give-you-superhuman-vision-forever/
also 3x better!


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: oblivi on June 25, 2015, 02:07:23 PM
20/20 vision forever
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/06/19/the-8-minute-surgery-that-will-give-you-superhuman-vision-forever/
also 3x better!

I got lasik eye surgery a couple years ago and my vision is great, except when the eye (usually it's one) gets sort of dry, then no matter how perfectly shaped your cornea is, if the rest of mechanisms of the eye aren't in good shape, you'll not have a perfect vision. I've tried eyedrops but don't work long term.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Miracal on June 25, 2015, 03:47:08 PM
lol.... this will be interesting. For example, imagine if a billionaire is kidnapped by some con-men and his body is completely transplanted. All of his assets would now be under the control of the guy who has transplanted in to his body.

The body doesn't matter, the head does. The body is just another vessel, the head has the brain which realizes its own identity and the face helps others identify your identity. So, assuming if Mr.X is a billionaire and Mr.Y is the kidnapper, either scenario, the one with no head is dead.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Aayush on June 25, 2015, 04:01:18 PM
20/20 vision forever
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/06/19/the-8-minute-surgery-that-will-give-you-superhuman-vision-forever/
also 3x better!

I got lasik eye surgery a couple years ago and my vision is great, except when the eye (usually it's one) gets sort of dry, then no matter how perfectly shaped your cornea is, if the rest of mechanisms of the eye aren't in good shape, you'll not have a perfect vision. I've tried eyedrops but don't work long term.
Oh, that's sad to  hear.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: monas on June 25, 2015, 04:42:01 PM
Surely a full body transplant would be to transplant someone mind/soul into another body, now that would be impressive.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: deisik on June 25, 2015, 05:01:04 PM
I got lasik eye surgery a couple years ago and my vision is great, except when the eye (usually it's one) gets sort of dry, then no matter how perfectly shaped your cornea is, if the rest of mechanisms of the eye aren't in good shape, you'll not have a perfect vision. I've tried eyedrops but don't work long term.

Have you looked into Visomitin eye drops (pardon the pun), which are supposed to improve chronic dry eye? They seem to be at the stage of approval (http://www.mitotechpharma.com/programs) for phase 3 trials right now by the FDA (if you happen to live in the US)...

Also, you may want to read this (http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/70076-vizomitin-skq1-eye-drops-phase-ii-initiated-in-us/) thread of the longecity.org forum


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: aikunsatu on July 02, 2015, 06:01:10 PM
That brings new meaning to the label parasitic aristocracy.

Yeah, and a whole new meaning to the phrase "give head".
hahaha


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Biomech on February 03, 2018, 03:49:58 AM
yeah, I"m necroing a thread. Deal with it.

Two years have passed, and I find nothing saying they did it.

However, there were a number of questions and speculations in this thread that bear re-examination. At this point, nanometer scale manufacturing is commonplace. Assemblers do not yet exist, or if they do it is a very well kept secret. The prerequisites for their existence are no longer speculative, and that is FAR beyond the bounds of this doctor's probably fraudulent claims.

Dr. Aubrey de Grey has stated many times that the first man to reach 150 has likely already been born, with far less radical interventions than are theoretically possible with nanotech assemblers.

As was noted earlier in the thread, immunosuppressant therapies are now commonplace, and I personally know someone who was cured of terminal cancer by stem cell implantation.

Cyberpunk isn't dead, it's just not fiction anymore.

Being able to direct our own evolution is essentially inevitable. The consequences will be many, some intended and some not.

The ethical concerns are also many. But far less so than chopping off somebody's head in order to preserve another person. So, I am going to present an ethical argument IN FAVOR of life extension. The words are mine, the arguments are not. Though I came to the same conclusion, it was Dr. deGrey who convinced me of the inevitability of human immortality, though he dislikes the term. Or at least claims to.

I will dismiss out of hand the religious argument that death is natural. I find the people who promulgate such nonsense while being immunized against various diseases, going to doctors and, if need be, specialists, etc. to maintain their health far beyond the 'natural' span offensive, as well as morally bankrupt. If you actually believed that crap, you'd never see a doctor. Disease is natural too. We have spent countless lifetimes intentionally curbing or eradicating it. This is not a valid argument.

One I won't dismiss, and that gets brought up frequently as a "counter" to those of us desiring life extension, is the spectre of overpopulation. This one is actually a valid concern, but it's misplaced. It will happen anyway, as we have no natural predation sufficient to keep our open ended and unrestricted reproductive system in check. Life extension may exacerbate that problem by a few years. Maybe as much as a decade, if everyone living today were made undying. I'll come back to this, there is a solution. It is not, properly, an argument against life extension. It is a problem unto itself that MIGHT be exacerbated by life extension. 

Another that I hear frequently expressed is the idiotic idea of becoming bored with living. Boredom, frankly, is brought on by either captivity (rare) or being boring. Other than that, it's a passing mood. As show stopping arguments go, it's ludicrous. There is a whole universe to explore, and if the proponents of string theory are correct, possibly many more. Besides, if life bores you that much, do the ecosystem a favor and become fertilizer. Yeah, I said that.

And that brings me back to overpopulation. I'll write much more on these intertwined subjects later, but the answer to overpopulation lies in the above paragraph. There is a WHOLE UNIVERSE that we have not explored. The biggest obstacle to interstellar exploration is our lifespan, as with our current understanding of the physical world, we cannot go faster than just a bit below the speed of light. Not by acceleration, at any rate. Which means that the distances are daunting. Given time dilation, this is less of a bugbear than people make it, but shipboard people would by necessity be a separate nation unto themselves, as ships would have a population that ages much more slowly (in comparison) to those left behind. Life extension actually eases this burden, as those who care to live will be around when the ships return.

But even within our own solar system, we've barely begun. Terraforming Mars appears to be well within our technological reach. Likely was around the time I was born, aside from sufficient rockets, which came to fruition just 8 months later.

Moreover, since it is LIKELY that such therapies would be based on nanotechnology, the problem of only the wealthy having access to it should decline very rapidly. It's going to happen that way, frankly, but it need not remain that way. The very wealthy will have it first because they will be the ones who can finance the initial research! This is not "unfair", it's simply inevitable. The only way to have it immediately widely disseminated would be to get a government to commit to the project via taxation for a very long time. While the idea of a hundred year 'special' tax is likely to appeal to every politician that ever lived, keeping that project as the actual recipient of the funds would simply not happen. Politicians are motivated by a lust for power, primarily, and any good they might do with it if they achieve it is at best a secondary consideration. Yes, I'm sure there are exceptions. But I've met a lot of politicians in my life, and not one of them failed to have that obvious lust for power. Not even Ron Paul, even though I do believe he meant well. So it falls to the very wealthy, and due to the jealousies and prejudices that allow civilization to be centrally ruled, it must needs be done in secret. This, I object to, but I am not unrealistic about it.

However, the man who finances and develops such therapies will be able to name his price. At first. If he's smart enough to build a system of open ended life extension, he's likely also smart enough to know that charging everyone a small amount is far more sustainable and desirable than charging a few exorbitant amounts. Besides, he would likely have friends and family that he wanted to keep around, and after a decade or so, the secret would no longer be secret.

Once it is known that it is possible, others will develop it, even if they don't have access to the initial research. We have seen this again and again with technology. What is revolutionary today is commonplace, mass produced, and done by machines in a very short period of time. Rapid development and deployment of technology at levels that were science fiction when I was a young adult are yesterday's news. This will happen.

Further, the inevitable development of nanotech assemblers is going to fundamentally alter how we interact with the universe REGARDLESS of whether it is applied to medical technology. So ALL of these things need to be addressed.

And, of course, one of my personal favorite reasons for having unlimited lifespans: "What the Captain meant" will become a historical phrase, cuz the captain will be able to speak for himself.

To be revisited.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 03, 2018, 10:59:08 AM
yeah, I"m necroing a thread. Deal with it.

You're welcome bro!

I've been following this topic, more or less, and Dr. Sergio Canavero, who is behind the full-body transplant idea, seems to have partnered with his Chinese colleague Ren Xiaoping. They have decided to conduct the first live full-body transplantation, an aptly euphemism for head transplantation not to scare people out of their pants, in China because the Chinese government seems to be friendly to such controversial experiments. A few months ago they had already transplanted a head between two human cadavers and now they are going to start with paralyzed patients who are bedridden and don't have much to lose anyway. You may want to read this recent article (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/11/17/italian-doctor-says-worlds-first-human-head-transplant-imminent/847288001/) if you are interested.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: SmellsCinnamon on February 04, 2018, 04:53:00 AM
Full-body transplants will be possible within two years, says controversial surgeon Sergio Canavero (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fullbody-transplants-will-be-possible-within-two-years-says-controversial-surgeon-sergio-canavero-10071112.html)

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The world’s first full-body transplant – in which someone’s head would be sewn onto a donor body – could take place in just two years, according to a controversial surgeon.
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Mr Canavero said: “I think we are now at a point when the technical aspects are all feasible. If society doesn't want it, I won't do it. But if people don't want it in the US or Europe, that doesn't mean it won't be done somewhere else. I'm trying to go about this the right way, but before going to the moon, you want to make sure people will follow you

A worthy comment from the site:

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Soon we will see 'rich wise heads on young shoulders'. Now the Western oligarchs will finally find some use for the younger poor and disadvantaged (So long as they have a healthy body)

What do you guys think?



Imagine how scary it is for the future of humanity, where bodies are just pots for our souls and these pots could be shattered and broken just to fix another broken pot. It is unnatural and it might give rise to more flesh trade where humans are just another body for the head of a rich man.

I agree. It's kinda scary. But I want to know and I'm curious on what might happen in this transplant.  It sounds impossible and futuristic but we won't know what might happen. If it became a success, then it would be a bit creepy. Now that rich people can buy any body they want.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tuikindu01 on February 04, 2018, 04:57:01 AM
Big mistake. The surgery went too far, it was a little scary.

The operation is unlikely to be successful because your spinal cord is direct to your brain. If the spinal cord is damaged, it is likely to cause paralysis, and we have not yet learned how to reconnect the spinal cord nerves.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Biomech on February 04, 2018, 05:32:51 AM
Big mistake. The surgery went too far, it was a little scary.

The operation is unlikely to be successful because your spinal cord is direct to your brain. If the spinal cord is damaged, it is likely to cause paralysis, and we have not yet learned how to reconnect the spinal cord nerves.

Only partially correct. We know how, we don't have the necessary precision yet. It has been done, with partial success.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: red00 on February 10, 2018, 05:12:26 AM
no i dont believe full body transplant within two years for me that is impossible maybe for the future not now


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Biomech on February 10, 2018, 07:27:17 AM
no i dont believe full body transplant within two years for me that is impossible maybe for the future not now

It's been two years. At the time, someone in the thread asked that it be revisited in two years. Progress has been made, but, no, it didn't happen.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
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Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Sithara007 on February 10, 2018, 01:24:35 PM
This will make life easier for the transgenders. If they want to become biological females, then they just need to transplant their head to some female's body. But the question is whether we want to encourage this mental disease or not.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: gabmen on February 10, 2018, 03:00:16 PM
no i dont believe full body transplant within two years for me that is impossible maybe for the future not now

It's been two years. At the time, someone in the thread asked that it be revisited in two years. Progress has been made, but, no, it didn't happen.

Lol. I don't think op that opened this up seriously thought that this is possible. Unreal to say the least. Even single body parts aren't that simple to replace, how much more for an entire body. And even if that becomes a possibility, we may not be around anymore if such technology is ready to use


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: BADecker on February 10, 2018, 06:50:38 PM
ISIS could make a lot of money. If they would only keep the bodies on ice when they chop a head off, they could sell the bodies for full-body transplants.

 ;D


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 11, 2018, 02:39:46 PM
no i dont believe full body transplant within two years for me that is impossible maybe for the future not now

It's been two years. At the time, someone in the thread asked that it be revisited in two years. Progress has been made, but, no, it didn't happen.

Lol. I don't think op that opened this up seriously thought that this is possible. Unreal to say the least. Even single body parts aren't that simple to replace, how much more for an entire body. And even if that becomes a possibility, we may not be around anymore if such technology is ready to use

In fact, I think it is definitely possible. Canavero and his Chinese colleagues are now going to perform the operation on two brain-dead men, which would be declared dead shortly thereafter anyway. Then the team are going to proceed with paralyzed people, which have nothing to lose either. Of course, it is not easy to replace body parts but heart, kidney and liver transplantations have become kind of usual nowadays, though it did take some time to develop the necessary surgical techniques.

no i dont believe full body transplant within two years for me that is impossible maybe for the future not now

It's been two years. At the time, someone in the thread asked that it be revisited in two years. Progress has been made, but, no, it didn't happen.

We have two weeks yet. Anything may happen, even shit may happen, lol.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: joebrook on February 11, 2018, 06:22:49 PM
This will make life easier for the transgenders. If they want to become biological females, then they just need to transplant their head to some female's body. But the question is whether we want to encourage this mental disease or not.
Lo that is definitely one way to go but my problem is how are they going to find the bodies for these kind of things, Maybe they can get the bodies of some of the sex robots to do this.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: techbill on February 11, 2018, 06:52:40 PM
It's not going to happen. Too many connections to the body need to be made. I'm assuming they have to take the spine with them.

And don't brain cells start to die rapidly after 10 seconds without oxygen?

I just don't see this happening, especially in two years.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: mi56374100 on February 12, 2018, 05:28:59 AM
I think it's an anti-human project.

I'm skeptical about the viability of this transplant, even if it can be done.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Sithara007 on February 12, 2018, 06:41:25 AM
This will make life easier for the transgenders. If they want to become biological females, then they just need to transplant their head to some female's body. But the question is whether we want to encourage this mental disease or not.
Lo that is definitely one way to go but my problem is how are they going to find the bodies for these kind of things, Maybe they can get the bodies of some of the sex robots to do this.

Here comes the scary part.. orphans and homeless people may be abducted and killed for their torsos. Every year, millions of people around the world are abducted and forced in to bonded labor or sexual slavery. If this becomes a reality, then people may be trafficked for their torsos.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: FUD Expert on February 12, 2018, 06:51:34 AM
This will make life easier for the transgenders. If they want to become biological females, then they just need to transplant their head to some female's body. But the question is whether we want to encourage this mental disease or not.
Lo that is definitely one way to go but my problem is how are they going to find the bodies for these kind of things, Maybe they can get the bodies of some of the sex robots to do this.

Here comes the scary part.. orphans and homeless people may be abducted and killed for their torsos. Every year, millions of people around the world are abducted and forced in to bonded labor or sexual slavery. If this becomes a reality, then people may be trafficked for their torsos.


Very possible because syndicates are already doing it for organs so imagine if they are offered more than that when transplants became successful. We are really going in the wrong direction with this type of breakthrough.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: unexecuted on February 12, 2018, 07:12:32 AM
This is insane. I don't believe that. People still can't grow organs, how this magic is possible?


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: enhu on February 12, 2018, 07:29:40 AM

Hell I already lose my head after reading the first pages of this thread. If its going to successfully happen, the possibilities are too much for this procedure. This is a lot of trouble compare to the shredding technology that we saw on a movie. Now I'm really pissed off thinking there is really life after death.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Sithara007 on February 12, 2018, 09:01:39 AM

Hell I already lose my head after reading the first pages of this thread. If its going to successfully happen, the possibilities are too much for this procedure. This is a lot of trouble compare to the shredding technology that we saw on a movie. Now I'm really pissed off thinking there is really life after death.

It is still far from reality. This is a very complicated surgical procedure and under the current circumstances, I would say that the chances of success is less than 5%. Not many people will be ready to undergo this procedure, unless they are really really desperate.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: Rsocks on February 12, 2018, 09:16:28 AM
I strongly doubt it. more like another throw-in


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on February 12, 2018, 10:30:24 AM
It's not going to happen. Too many connections to the body need to be made. I'm assuming they have to take the spine with them.

And don't brain cells start to die rapidly after 10 seconds without oxygen?

To protect brain cells of the recipient from damage due to hypoxia (lack of oxygen), they are going to cool the head to a state of deep hypothermia. It is not a problem, well, not their main problem, at least. Really, people who go through heart transplantations manage to survive somehow and still be in their right mind after the operation. Lack of bodies is not an issue either since every day thousands of people die in car wrecks with their heads smashed and bodies mostly intact.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: endermanfomalhaut7 on March 14, 2018, 09:11:59 PM
Oh its a great news! after my accident my body was deformed totally now I can be back to shape again :)


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: recycleembarrass1 on March 17, 2018, 03:28:37 PM
I would be looking like a sexy chick like selena gomez yippeee


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: inactivechorley5 on March 17, 2018, 06:59:27 PM
I will be transplanting to look like vin diesel. He is my ideal hero


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: criptix on March 17, 2018, 08:53:15 PM
So much about within 2 years - no having the body of a super model - damn :(



Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: farida_y323 on March 19, 2018, 07:45:16 AM
Science has been invented so many things as well as in doctors treatment. If body parts are damage then it is possible to exchange that parts or if full body can damage or displace then it could place the right track. But for head there is no exchange till now. Within two years slowly the full body can transplant but head is not, so be careful.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: volleyballslender6 on March 20, 2018, 06:34:08 AM
Is it a rumour? or really such thing is gonna happen after somedays?


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: patarfweefwee on March 20, 2018, 07:18:29 AM
I don't think such an advance leap in neuro surgery will be available to the public in two years. It actually involves grafting a brain with the brain stem to another body with a preexisting working nervous system. This tech would involve neural grafting, neural regeneration and neuro surgery so advanced that we should just ne in star wars. If they dix have this tech then we should've had a cure for other neuro degenerative diseases such as Parkinson's.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: hugoworld on March 20, 2018, 07:49:44 AM
Is it a rumour? or really such thing is gonna happen after somedays?

It is pretty obvious that this scientific revolution is not a joke or rumour. Most of the surgeons and medical scientists have been experimenting to realize successful full-body transplants for many years. For that reason, This kind of transplantation will come true soon.


Title: Re: Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years
Post by: tee-rex on March 20, 2018, 10:15:02 AM
I don't think such an advance leap in neuro surgery will be available to the public in two years. It actually involves grafting a brain with the brain stem to another body with a preexisting working nervous system. This tech would involve neural grafting, neural regeneration and neuro surgery so advanced that we should just ne in star wars. If they dix have this tech then we should've had a cure for other neuro degenerative diseases such as Parkinson's.

I can't point out what but you seem to be confused about this idea. It doesn't involve neurosurgery or brain cell grafting, even though I don't know what the latter would mean in practice. In simple terms, the idea discussed here is about attaching someone's head to someone else's body. Technically, it is quite feasible, albeit the person whose head gets transplanted in this way won't feel his new body. This is the major problem.