Don't lose your head! Full-body transplants will be possible within two years

[tee-rex]

I can't see it ever being feasible, let alone in two years. That's the type of time frame you slap on your proclamation so the press covers it.

What is not feasible? Finding a decent body if you have billions in your pockets? There had been similar surgeries on dogs (by the Soviets in 1950s) and on a monkey in 1970, the main obstacle being rejection by the body’s immune system (which is now mainly overcome).

Sewing a monky's head on another monkey body is not analogous to a human head transplant where you hope to have any quality of life afterwards. The science is what I find unfeasible, or the fact that it would ever be deemed ethically acceptable.

Ethical questions aside, did you follow the link I provided?

To the article? Yeah. I also noted the two neurosurgeons they quoted who said this wasn't feasible.

No, I meant this link. Note that the article by this link got included in Pubmed.

[jaysabi]

I can't see it ever being feasible, let alone in two years. That's the type of time frame you slap on your proclamation so the press covers it.

What is not feasible? Finding a decent body if you have billions in your pockets? There had been similar surgeries on dogs (by the Soviets in 1950s) and on a monkey in 1970, the main obstacle being rejection by the body’s immune system (which is now mainly overcome).

Sewing a monky's head on another monkey body is not analogous to a human head transplant where you hope to have any quality of life afterwards. The science is what I find unfeasible, or the fact that it would ever be deemed ethically acceptable.

Ethical questions aside, did you follow the link I provided?

To the article? Yeah. I also noted the two neurosurgeons they quoted who said this wasn't feasible.

No, I meant this link. Note that the article by this link got included in Pubmed.

This source doesn't do me much good. It includes a lot of medical jargon which I do not understand. I surmise that doctors reattached a severed spinal cord? If this is accurate, it's still the existing spinal cord of one individual that was previously intact. That's not nearly the same as attaching the brain stem and spinal cord of one individual into the body of another individual and having any degree of mobility. Based just on my impression of the feasibility of the procedure, I still have to side with the two other neurosurgeons they quoted in the original article as saying such a transplant is not feasible.

[tee-rex]

I can't see it ever being feasible, let alone in two years. That's the type of time frame you slap on your proclamation so the press covers it.

What is not feasible? Finding a decent body if you have billions in your pockets? There had been similar surgeries on dogs (by the Soviets in 1950s) and on a monkey in 1970, the main obstacle being rejection by the body’s immune system (which is now mainly overcome).

Sewing a monky's head on another monkey body is not analogous to a human head transplant where you hope to have any quality of life afterwards. The science is what I find unfeasible, or the fact that it would ever be deemed ethically acceptable.

Ethical questions aside, did you follow the link I provided?

To the article? Yeah. I also noted the two neurosurgeons they quoted who said this wasn't feasible.

No, I meant this link. Note that the article by this link got included in Pubmed.

This source doesn't do me much good. It includes a lot of medical jargon which I do not understand. I surmise that doctors reattached a severed spinal cord? If this is accurate, it's still the existing spinal cord of one individual that was previously intact. That's not nearly the same as attaching the brain stem and spinal cord of one individual into the body of another individual and having any degree of mobility. Based just on my impression of the feasibility of the procedure, I still have to side with the two other neurosurgeons they quoted in the original article as saying such a transplant is not feasible.

Okay, in my previous post I mentioned about a German farmer who lost his hands. Here's the video (strictly 18+).

Is he a Frankenstein?

[galdur]

Maybe as vegetables moving around in wheelchairs if that. But if someone can somehow scam the wealthy out of money for this, good for them.

[tee-rex]

Maybe as vegetables moving around in wheelchairs if that. But if someone can somehow scam the wealthy out of money for this, good for them.

You seem not to understand the term vegetative state in this context, which is a disorder of consciousness. And many elders are already in the wheelchairs, so what's the difference?

[galdur]

Maybe as vegetables moving around in wheelchairs if that. But if someone can somehow scam the wealthy out of money for this, good for them.

You seem not to understand the term vegetative state in this context, which is a disorder of consciousness. And many elders are already in the wheelchairs, so what's the difference?

I understand the term vegetative state but I don´t understand why anyone would be upset by imagining that I don´t. I do appreciate the concern though, I think.

[Lethn]

Ugh, it's not like I don't know about the black market organs, but that's the thing, if it goes past organs then we're going to see people getting their body parts randomly hacked off for transplanations, as Ramsay just wrote, that's the kind of thing I'm thinking about too.

Good morning, sir! Sewing back cut-off body parts is common now. Not from the original body as well. I remember a German farmer who had lost his both arms got "new" ones a few years ago. It was in the news.

*head desks*

[tee-rex]

Maybe as vegetables moving around in wheelchairs if that. But if someone can somehow scam the wealthy out of money for this, good for them.

You seem not to understand the term vegetative state in this context, which is a disorder of consciousness. And many elders are already in the wheelchairs, so what's the difference?

I understand the term vegetative state but I don´t understand why anyone would be upset by imagining that I don´t. I do appreciate the concern though, I think.

What about Steve Hawking then? Is he a vegetable or what? Would you deny him a healthy body from someone who shot himself in the head?

[Bit_Happy]

I'm heading out, and when I return will plunge head-long into making headway on a new digital hedge-fund. Everyone remain headstrong and buy lots of BTC.  

[galdur]

Maybe as vegetables moving around in wheelchairs if that. But if someone can somehow scam the wealthy out of money for this, good for them.

You seem not to understand the term vegetative state in this context, which is a disorder of consciousness. And many elders are already in the wheelchairs, so what's the difference?

I understand the term vegetative state but I don´t understand why anyone would be upset by imagining that I don´t. I do appreciate the concern though, I think.

What about Steve Hawking then? Is he a vegetable or what?

No, I didn´t have his state in mind. Nor elderly and otherwise alert people in wheelchairs. My vision of those with the transplanted heads is ugly beyond words, let´s leave it at that  

[tee-rex]

I'm heading out, and when I return will plunge head-long into making headway on a new digital hedge-fund. Everyone remain headstrong and buy lots of BTC.  

Don't lose you head!

[jaysabi]

I can't see it ever being feasible, let alone in two years. That's the type of time frame you slap on your proclamation so the press covers it.

What is not feasible? Finding a decent body if you have billions in your pockets? There had been similar surgeries on dogs (by the Soviets in 1950s) and on a monkey in 1970, the main obstacle being rejection by the body’s immune system (which is now mainly overcome).

Sewing a monky's head on another monkey body is not analogous to a human head transplant where you hope to have any quality of life afterwards. The science is what I find unfeasible, or the fact that it would ever be deemed ethically acceptable.

Ethical questions aside, did you follow the link I provided?

To the article? Yeah. I also noted the two neurosurgeons they quoted who said this wasn't feasible.

No, I meant this link. Note that the article by this link got included in Pubmed.

This source doesn't do me much good. It includes a lot of medical jargon which I do not understand. I surmise that doctors reattached a severed spinal cord? If this is accurate, it's still the existing spinal cord of one individual that was previously intact. That's not nearly the same as attaching the brain stem and spinal cord of one individual into the body of another individual and having any degree of mobility. Based just on my impression of the feasibility of the procedure, I still have to side with the two other neurosurgeons they quoted in the original article as saying such a transplant is not feasible.

Okay, in my previous post I mentioned about a German farmer who lost his hands. Here's the video (strictly 18+).

Is he a Frankenstein?

I'm a bit apprehensive clicking on anything that says "strictly 18+". Is this a grisly and/or graphic video? I didn't make the Frankenstein comment, so I'm not sure that was supposed to be directed at me. I don't think people with transplanted organs or appendages necessarily are. But a head is another thing entirely, because the replacement of appendages isn't the replacement of the self. Identity travels with the head, so attaching a head to another body would qualify as Frankenstein-level, if that is relevant to anything discussed here. And the successful attachment of an appendage, like hands, does not foretell the feasibility of something far more complex, like brain stem and spine. Having useful hands after a hand transplant doesn't translate to having useful motor functions after a head transplant.

[tee-rex]

This source doesn't do me much good. It includes a lot of medical jargon which I do not understand. I surmise that doctors reattached a severed spinal cord? If this is accurate, it's still the existing spinal cord of one individual that was previously intact. That's not nearly the same as attaching the brain stem and spinal cord of one individual into the body of another individual and having any degree of mobility. Based just on my impression of the feasibility of the procedure, I still have to side with the two other neurosurgeons they quoted in the original article as saying such a transplant is not feasible.

Okay, in my previous post I mentioned about a German farmer who lost his hands. Here's the video (strictly 18+).

Is he a Frankenstein?

I'm a bit apprehensive clicking on anything that says "strictly 18+". Is this a grisly and/or graphic video?

That was a joke really (Frankenstein style). The video seems to be from the news, there is nothing grisly or gory about it. Go watch without fear.

I didn't make the Frankenstein comment, so I'm not sure that was supposed to be directed at me. I don't think people with transplanted organs or appendages necessarily are. But a head is another thing entirely, because the replacement of appendages isn't the replacement of the self. Identity travels with the head, so attaching a head to another body would qualify as Frankenstein-level, if that is relevant to anything discussed here. And the successful attachment of an appendage, like hands, does not foretell the feasibility of something far more complex, like brain stem and spine. Having useful hands after a hand transplant doesn't translate to having useful motor functions after a head transplant.

Just attaching hands is not enough, but if these "new" hands are controllable (and they are), it is quite another story. And yes, it does foretell that attaching the whole body AND making it controllable is feasible.

[alani123]

Can someone  or something bump this 2 years later?

[AnalizeSituation]

Ohhhhhhh

if this true
i am not be suicide my situation 

[galdur]

They better hurry. D.R. is about a century old. He´s got to be about to kick the bucket

[tee-rex]

They better hurry. D.R. is about a century old. He´s got to be about to kick the bucket

I keep an eye on him for a few years already. He is still kicking and overground. Let's not forget about Hugh Hefner as well.

[galdur]

Yeah, David will probably last for a few years more. He fills the century next June 12th.

[patt0]

They better hurry. D.R. is about a century old. He´s got to be about to kick the bucket

It would be weird seeing an old looking head on a 20 year old body lol.
I think this will be possible but two years is too little time. But if they know where to connect everything then maybe human heads on full robot bodies is also possible! xD

[galdur]

They better hurry. D.R. is about a century old. He´s got to be about to kick the bucket

It would be weird seeing an old looking head on a 20 year old body lol.
I think this will be possible but two years is too little time. But if they know where to connect everything then maybe human heads on full robot bodies is also possible! xD

Don´t know about David, but your average 100 year old brain most likely doesn´t have a lot of meaningful functionality left.