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Title: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: Chef Ramsay on March 04, 2015, 03:07:14 AM
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GENEVA (Reuters) - North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Su Yong said on Tuesday that his country had the power to deter an "ever-increasing nuclear threat" by the United States with a pre-emptive strike if necessary.

His rare speech at the U.N.-backed Conference on Disarmament drew a rebuke from U.S. Ambassador Robert Wood, who urged Pyongyang to stop making threats and rid itself of nuclear weapons.

Ri said joint military exercises currently being staged by South Korea and the United States were "unprecedentedly provocative in nature and have an especially high possibility of sparking off a war."

"The DPRK (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) cannot but bolster its nuclear deterrent capability to cope with the ever-increasing nuclear threat of the U.S.," he told the Geneva forum. "Now the DPRK has the power of deterring the U.S. and conducting a pre-emptive strike as well, if necessary."

More...http://news.yahoo.com/north-korea-power-deter-u-nuclear-threat-foreign-095038342.html (http://news.yahoo.com/north-korea-power-deter-u-nuclear-threat-foreign-095038342.html)


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: DLCseller on March 04, 2015, 03:51:45 AM
Looks like Kim Jong-Un gonna shoots some nukes


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: PenguinFire on March 04, 2015, 04:01:58 AM
Why is this even news anymore?  Do we need to shut their internet offline again?  ;) :P


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: bitkilo on March 04, 2015, 04:05:47 AM
The US is about to start their annual war games with South Korea off the coast of North Korea so the North always try to throw there wait around when these games are going on.
And Kim sure has a lot of weight to throw about, being the fat prick he is  :D


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: Chef Ramsay on March 04, 2015, 04:36:15 AM
Pretty much Kim's way of keeping the US routinely in NK news amongst the populace and keeping the military first Juche nonsense trending throughout the country while also showing his toughness to protect the homeland. I can't even imagine what it would be like to live over there, much less living outside of Pyongyang.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: bitkilo on March 04, 2015, 04:55:27 AM
What ever happened to that guy from the US that went over to Nth Korea and ripped up his US passport?


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: Nik1ab on March 04, 2015, 06:50:42 AM
Why even post some non-news like this?
NK is constantly annoying everybody, but there has never been caused severe harm to people outside the country.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: tee-rex on March 04, 2015, 08:47:34 AM
Why even post some non-news like this?
NK is constantly annoying everybody, but there has never been caused severe harm to people outside the country.

It is their way of begging, they have always been doing this. Food aid deliveries to North Korea should never stop flowing.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: Madness on March 04, 2015, 08:49:33 AM
Shits is getting bad .
I knew something screwed up is going to happen since the "The Interview" movie accident .

~ Madness


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: tee-rex on March 04, 2015, 09:25:33 AM
Shits is getting bad .
I knew something screwed up is going to happen since the "The Interview" movie accident .

~ Madness

How is that getting bad? North Korea does nothing beyond their habitual threatening rhetoric, which they have been doing for decades by now. The U.S. needs a bogey perfectly played by NK, North Korea needs an external enemy to keep their population busy and in constrain. Everyone is happy.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: Madness on March 04, 2015, 09:27:26 AM
Shits is getting bad .
I knew something screwed up is going to happen since the "The Interview" movie accident .

~ Madness

How is that getting bad? North Korea does nothing beyond their habitual threatening rhetoric, which they have been doing for decades by now. The U.S. needs a bogey perfectly played by NK, North Korea needs an external enemy to keep their population busy and in constrain. Everyone is happy.

Everything have a start , maybe they were full of bullshits and threats and now decided to use some nukes and screw United state up  ::)

~ Madness


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: Snail2 on March 04, 2015, 09:27:38 AM
Shits is getting bad .
I knew something screwed up is going to happen since the "The Interview" movie accident .

~ Madness

Throwing such threats to the US and South Korea is basically a part of the local political culture. Just like talking about freedom and democracy on the west. Sounds good and/or defiant, but nobody taking seriously :).


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: tee-rex on March 04, 2015, 09:30:37 AM
Shits is getting bad .
I knew something screwed up is going to happen since the "The Interview" movie accident .

~ Madness

Throwing such threats to the US and South Korea is basically a part of the local political culture. Just like talking about freedom and democracy on the west. Sounds good and/or defiant, but nobody taking seriously :).

Some news (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/30/world/asia/north-korea-us-threats/) as of 2013:

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North Korea's threatening rhetoric has reached a fever pitch, but the Pentagon and the South Korean government have said it's nothing new.

"We have no indications at this point that it's anything more than warmongering rhetoric," a senior Washington Defense official said late Friday


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: Sindelar1938 on March 04, 2015, 09:30:54 AM
Much needed reminder given the current obsession with IS and the like, that the craziest mofos in town are still the Koreans of the North. Beyond all dispute.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: tee-rex on March 04, 2015, 09:34:56 AM
Much needed reminder given the current obsession with IS and the like, that the craziest mofos in town are still the Koreans of the North. Beyond all dispute.

Do they take and kill hostages? Maybe, they are fighting with some country right now or sending terrorists to blow cities? Besides that, always remember that the only country that actually used nukes in military operation was the U.S.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: Snail2 on March 04, 2015, 09:39:38 AM
Much needed reminder given the current obsession with IS and the like, that the craziest mofos in town are still the Koreans of the North. Beyond all dispute.

Unlike the IS, NK is not on the western asset list, that's why they are demonized on every possible ways. (BTW they are a crazy bunch indeed, but not much more than some of the US hawks and surveillance freaks.)


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: saddampbuh on March 04, 2015, 10:33:52 AM
has it occurred to you that they threaten you because you killed millions of them, occupy half their country, carry out war game simulated invasions one a year and point nuclear missiles at them?


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: tee-rex on March 04, 2015, 10:54:16 AM
has it occurred to you that they threaten you because you killed millions of them, occupy half their country, carry out war game simulated invasions one a year and point nuclear missiles at them?

They threaten for food. If they start warmongering rhetoric, it is right about time the U.S. sent a humanitarian aid to NK. Again and again, as it happened before, many times already. The rules are simple, and both sides know them perfectly.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: Omikifuse on March 04, 2015, 11:06:19 AM
it is not even fun since NC did the state of war thing in 2013.

It is kind of repetitive now


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: saddampbuh on March 04, 2015, 11:30:27 AM
They threaten for food. If they start warmongering rhetoric, it is right about time the U.S. sent a humanitarian aid to NK. Again and again, as it happened before, many times already. The rules are simple, and both sides know them perfectly.
the dprk has raised itself up to become a powerful prosperous nation with nuclear arms and space satellites, it has no need for yankee goyim "aid", this isn't the 90s


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: tee-rex on March 04, 2015, 11:37:21 AM
They threaten for food. If they start warmongering rhetoric, it is right about time the U.S. sent a humanitarian aid to NK. Again and again, as it happened before, many times already. The rules are simple, and both sides know them perfectly.
the dprk has raised itself up to become a powerful prosperous nation with nuclear arms and space satellites, it has no need for yankee goyim "aid", this isn't the 90s

You'd better open your eyes, buddy. Are you from NK?

UN food body approves $200-m aid for N. Korea (http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/international/un-food-body-approves-200m-aid-for-n-korea/article4794728.ece) (published on June 8, 2013)

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The UN food body has approved $200 million of food aid for North Korea, targeting the country’s most vulnerable people who remain dependent on external assistance. The World Food Programme (WFP) executive board has this week approved a new two-year operation for North Korea starting on July 1, WFP spokesman Marcus Prior said today. “It will target about 2.4 million people — almost all children, and pregnant and nursing women — with about 2,07,000 tonnes of food assistance at a cost of $200 million,” he said

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North Korea suffered regular chronic food shortages under the Kim dynasty, with the situation exacerbated by floods, droughts and mismanagement. During a famine in the mid to late-1990s, hundreds of thousands died


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: saddampbuh on March 04, 2015, 11:47:25 AM
^war reparations


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: tee-rex on March 04, 2015, 11:55:15 AM
^war reparations

War reparations by the UN, wtf?! Though these still don't make NK into "a powerful prosperous nation". By the way, which space satellites are you talking about?

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Kwangmyŏngsŏng-3 was a North Korean Earth observation satellite, which according to the DPRK was for weather forecast purposes, and whose launch was widely portrayed in the West to be a veiled ballistic missile test. The satellite was launched on 13 April 2012 at 07:39 KST aboard the Unha-3 carrier rocket from Sohae Satellite Launching Station. The rocket exploded 90 seconds after launch near the end of the firing of the first stage of the rocket


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: neurotypical on March 04, 2015, 12:01:18 PM
Much needed reminder given the current obsession with IS and the like, that the craziest mofos in town are still the Koreans of the North. Beyond all dispute.
IS and NK are equally insane.
Kim is just doing the usual scare mongering tactics with his shitty soviet missiles.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: Snail2 on March 04, 2015, 12:02:05 PM
the dprk has raised itself up to become a powerful prosperous nation with nuclear arms and space satellites, it has no need for yankee goyim "aid", this isn't the 90s

Actually they are quite a bit far from being prosperous. They are still alive because of the mercy of China. Technologically they are developed relative fast, but the lack of arable land (the whole country is a big bunch of mountains) is still crippling them.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: Snail2 on March 04, 2015, 12:24:32 PM
IS and NK are equally insane.
Kim is just doing the usual scare mongering tactics with his shitty soviet missiles.

Well, actually NK recently did quite a lot of research and development on those rockets and probably they got some know-how from China, so some of those missiles are more or less up to date stuff. Anyway, currently none of those missiles can reach densely populated areas in the US.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: tee-rex on March 04, 2015, 12:33:26 PM
IS and NK are equally insane.
Kim is just doing the usual scare mongering tactics with his shitty soviet missiles.

Well, actually NK recently did quite a lot of research and development on those rockets and probably they got some know-how from China, so some of those missiles are more or less up to date stuff. Anyway, currently none of those missiles can reach densely populated areas in the US.

Facts don't confirm that their rocket technology is "up to date". The two stages of the rocket launched in 2012 were examined by Korean missile experts. They reported that the components of the rocket were unreliable and inefficient, the rocket design being based on older technologies from the 1960s and 70s, whereas the rocket engine was almost identical to the Iranian one (don't ask me where they got the Iranian rocket engine from).


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: DLCseller on March 04, 2015, 12:47:18 PM
U.S. needs to send Dennis Rodman to North Korea again to make Kim calm down. LOL ;D


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: saddampbuh on March 04, 2015, 01:11:37 PM
War reparations by the UN, wtf?! 
yes the un went to war against the dprk and lost

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Though these still don't make NK into "a powerful prosperous nation". By the way, which space satellites are you talking about?

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Kwangmyŏngsŏng-3 was a North Korean Earth observation satellite, which according to the DPRK was for weather forecast purposes, and whose launch was widely portrayed in the West to be a veiled ballistic missile test. The satellite was launched on 13 April 2012 at 07:39 KST aboard the Unha-3 carrier rocket from Sohae Satellite Launching Station. The rocket exploded 90 seconds after launch near the end of the firing of the first stage of the rocket
the one they sucessfully launched 8 months later


Actually they are quite a bit far from being prosperous. They are still alive because of the mercy of China. Technologically they are developed relative fast, but the lack of arable land (the whole country is a big bunch of mountains) is still crippling them.
there are occasional shortages and not everyone gets to eat meat twice twice a day and throw 30% of it away like we do in the west but there's no starvation any more. doesnt help that most of the farmland and fishing is in the occupied south.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: najzenmajsen on March 04, 2015, 01:20:06 PM
U.S. needs to send Dennis Rodman to North Korea again to make Kim calm down. LOL ;D
Sorry , who is Dennis Rodman and how are we supposed to peacefully get him down to North-Korea ? :-)


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: Gisado on March 04, 2015, 01:24:14 PM
They always say "we will start war" but nothing happened for 60 years and most people in S.Korea does not care about them. :P


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: tee-rex on March 04, 2015, 01:26:08 PM
War reparations by the UN, wtf?! 
yes the un went to war against the dprk and lost

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Though these still don't make NK into "a powerful prosperous nation". By the way, which space satellites are you talking about?

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Kwangmyŏngsŏng-3 was a North Korean Earth observation satellite, which according to the DPRK was for weather forecast purposes, and whose launch was widely portrayed in the West to be a veiled ballistic missile test. The satellite was launched on 13 April 2012 at 07:39 KST aboard the Unha-3 carrier rocket from Sohae Satellite Launching Station. The rocket exploded 90 seconds after launch near the end of the firing of the first stage of the rocket
the one they sucessfully launched 8 months later

The satellite which is not working and tumbling as it orbits around the Earth? I wouldn't call this a successful launch.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: tee-rex on March 04, 2015, 01:34:10 PM
War reparations by the UN, wtf?! 
yes the un went to war against the dprk and lost

Nice turn. But what about the restrictions that UN put on their "war reparations" to North Korea? Don't you think it rather strange that a country (or an organization) subject to pay reparations sets terms and conditions?

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The operation will be implemented under stringent monitoring conditions, which includes immediate permission for missions to access all parts of the operational chain, access to markets and the use of Korean speakers

Besides that, what about China and Russia, do they also pay reparations?


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: saddampbuh on March 04, 2015, 01:57:33 PM
The satellite which is not working and tumbling as it orbits around the Earth? I wouldn't call this a successful launch.
we know it is working because it broadcast the song of general kim il sung and song of general kim jong il

Nice turn. But what about the restrictions that UN put on their "war reparations" to North Korea? Don't you think it rather strange that a country (or an organization) subject to pay reparations sets terms and conditions?


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The operation will be implemented under stringent monitoring conditions, which includes immediate permission for missions to access all parts of the operational chain, access to markets and the use of Korean speakers
thats why they call it humanitarian aid instead of war reparations it is embarrassing for them and they dont wish to admit they're frightened of the koreans

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Besides that, what about China and Russia, do they also pay reparations?
trade and military assistance to help keep the yankee goyim common enemy at bay.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: tee-rex on March 04, 2015, 02:07:32 PM
The satellite which is not working and tumbling as it orbits around the Earth? I wouldn't call this a successful launch.
we know it is working because it broadcast the song of general kim il sung and song of general kim jong il

Have you heard it yourself or just been told so? According to data collected by astronomers from different countries, the North Korean satellite is malfunctioning.

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Data from trackers in South Africa and Britain suggest the brightness of the satellite has been fluctuating, which indicates it is tumbling as it orbits. That likely means a malfunction in the probe's stabilizers because it was designed to constantly point toward the Earth

Are they telling us lies?


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: Snail2 on March 04, 2015, 02:26:39 PM
Facts don't confirm that their rocket technology is "up to date". The two stages of the rocket launched in 2012 were examined by Korean missile experts. They reported that the components of the rocket were unreliable and inefficient, the rocket design being based on older technologies from the 1960s and 70s, whereas the rocket engine was almost identical to the Iranian one (don't ask me where they got the Iranian rocket engine from).

I said more or less :).
BTW nothing wrong with the 60' 70' rocket technology. E.g. the good old russian kerosene/nitric acid or DMH/NTO rocket engines are still the most reliable and cheapest engines "on the market" (...but a bit fussy to handle the fuel). The keyword here is "based" e.g. the Scud-C and Scud-D are both based on the ancient Scud-A (what is a direct descendant of the V2) but the newer C and D models are very different in almost every possible ways. So underestimating NK could be a serious mistake. BTW nobody will directly attack NK as it's still a Chinese outpost. Same situation as Ukraine.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: tee-rex on March 04, 2015, 02:59:21 PM
Facts don't confirm that their rocket technology is "up to date". The two stages of the rocket launched in 2012 were examined by Korean missile experts. They reported that the components of the rocket were unreliable and inefficient, the rocket design being based on older technologies from the 1960s and 70s, whereas the rocket engine was almost identical to the Iranian one (don't ask me where they got the Iranian rocket engine from).

I said more or less :).
BTW nothing wrong with the 60' 70' rocket technology. E.g. the good old russian kerosene/nitric acid or DMH/NTO rocket engines are still the most reliable and cheapest engines "on the market" (...but a bit fussy to handle the fuel). The keyword here is "based" e.g. the Scud-C and Scud-D are both based on the ancient Scud-A (what is a direct descendant of the V2) but the newer C and D models are very different in almost every possible ways. So underestimating NK could be a serious mistake. BTW nobody will directly attack NK as it's still a Chinese outpost. Same situation as Ukraine.

But what is wrong with Ukraine, whose outpost is it? if you think it is Russian, then I beg to differ.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: Snail2 on March 04, 2015, 03:04:48 PM
But what is wrong with Ukraine, whose outpost is it? if you think it is Russian, then I beg to differ.

Apart from the bosses over there nothing wrong with Ukraine. It's a contested Russian "outpost" now :).


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: DLCseller on March 04, 2015, 03:21:15 PM
U.S. needs to send Dennis Rodman to North Korea again to make Kim calm down. LOL ;D
Sorry , who is Dennis Rodman and how are we supposed to peacefully get him down to North-Korea ? :-)

You're probably not from the US..so am i LOL


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: manis on March 04, 2015, 03:21:52 PM
Pre-emptive strike.
They seem to be keen on using the language of the United States.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: saddampbuh on March 04, 2015, 04:31:04 PM
Have you heard it yourself or just been told so?
told me someone who has contact with their embassy

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According to data collected by astronomers from different countries, the North Korean satellite is malfunctioning.

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Data from trackers in South Africa and Britain suggest the brightness of the satellite has been fluctuating, which indicates it is tumbling as it orbits. That likely means a malfunction in the probe's stabilizers because it was designed to constantly point toward the Earth

Are they telling us lies?
one presumes they are mistaken


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: tee-rex on March 04, 2015, 05:17:16 PM
Have you heard it yourself or just been told so?
told me someone who has contact with their embassy

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According to data collected by astronomers from different countries, the North Korean satellite is malfunctioning.

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Data from trackers in South Africa and Britain suggest the brightness of the satellite has been fluctuating, which indicates it is tumbling as it orbits. That likely means a malfunction in the probe's stabilizers because it was designed to constantly point toward the Earth

Are they telling us lies?
one presumes they are mistaken

So you think that qualified astronomers from different countries are flat-out wrong, and at the same time you believe what someone told you who allegedly has ties in the NK embassy? And we should believe you? Why then didn't anyone apart from those in NK hear that song?

Just in case, do you know the meaning of the phrase "wishful thinking"?


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: saddampbuh on March 04, 2015, 06:30:40 PM
So you think that qualified astronomers from different countries are flat-out wrong, and at the same time you believe what someone told you who allegedly has ties in the NK embassy? And we should believe you? Why then didn't anyone apart from those in NK hear that song?

Just in case, do you know the meaning of the phrase "wishful thinking"?
i trust in the greatness of kim jong un over western capitalist stooges, mostly everything we hear from sources hostile to the dprk turns out to be wrong


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: Snail2 on March 04, 2015, 07:15:35 PM
i trust in the greatness of kim jong un over western capitalist stooges, mostly everything we hear from sources hostile to the dprk turns out to be wrong

Don't let your feelings to mislead you. I agree the western political/economic establishment is a bunch of crooks, but the north Korean ruling elite isn't any better.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: Grand_Voyageur on March 04, 2015, 07:31:38 PM
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GENEVA (Reuters) - North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Su Yong said on Tuesday that his country had the power to deter an "ever-increasing nuclear threat" by the United States with a pre-emptive strike if necessary.

His rare speech at the U.N.-backed Conference on Disarmament drew a rebuke from U.S. Ambassador Robert Wood, who urged Pyongyang to stop making threats and rid itself of nuclear weapons.

Ri said joint military exercises currently being staged by South Korea and the United States were "unprecedentedly provocative in nature and have an especially high possibility of sparking off a war."

"The DPRK (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) cannot but bolster its nuclear deterrent capability to cope with the ever-increasing nuclear threat of the U.S.," he told the Geneva forum. "Now the DPRK has the power of deterring the U.S. and conducting a pre-emptive strike as well, if necessary."

More...http://news.yahoo.com/north-korea-power-deter-u-nuclear-threat-foreign-095038342.html (http://news.yahoo.com/north-korea-power-deter-u-nuclear-threat-foreign-095038342.html)

Same threats as before. They are doing just their usual crazy, but successful, habit to have major powers pay them to have peace.
Don't panic!  ;)


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: saddampbuh on March 04, 2015, 08:27:39 PM
Don't let your feelings to mislead you. I agree the western political/economic establishment is a bunch of crooks, but the north Korean ruling elite isn't any better.
they are a good deal better, when times are hard in korea the suffering is shared equally, during the arduous march period it is said that kim jong il survived on just a few bowls of rice a day because he couldn't bear to live in luxury while the people suffered


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: tee-rex on March 04, 2015, 08:34:24 PM
Don't let your feelings to mislead you. I agree the western political/economic establishment is a bunch of crooks, but the north Korean ruling elite isn't any better.
they are a good deal better, when times are hard in korea the suffering is shared equally, during the arduous march period it is said that kim jong il survived on just a few bowls of rice a day because he couldn't bear to live in luxury while the people suffered

That's why he carries a Patek Philippe luxury Swiss watch, right?


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: KizerWilhelm on March 04, 2015, 08:53:51 PM
The world of politics is so messed-up today! I wouldn't be surprised if the US is paying for North Korea to make these threats so they can continue their political goals in the east.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: tee-rex on March 04, 2015, 08:56:35 PM
The world of politics is so messed-up today! I wouldn't be surprised if the US is paying for North Korea to make these threats so they can continue their political goals in the east.

They are sending there food, medicines and whatnot through the UN humanitarian aid channels (by some here this is considered as "war reparations"). There is a thread somewhere around this forum where this issue is analyzed in greater detail.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: saddampbuh on March 04, 2015, 08:58:17 PM
That's why he carries a Patek Philippe luxury Swiss watch, right?
he doesn't carry anything because he died in 2011


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: tee-rex on March 04, 2015, 09:01:35 PM
That's why he carries a Patek Philippe luxury Swiss watch, right?
he doesn't carry anything because he died in 2011

Frankly speaking, I don't distinguish between Kims, but the younger Kim's propensity for luxury goods seems to exceed even his father's, who was conspicuous for leading an expensive lifestyle.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: BADecker on March 04, 2015, 09:03:58 PM
Do you see? North Korea is noble after all. They even warned us about the bad things they might do to us if we don't knuckle under. That is soooo noble and honorable of them.

We would love to allies with such a noble nation, right? Do you think they have anything else to offer?

:)


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: Grand_Voyageur on March 04, 2015, 09:04:37 PM
The world of politics is so messed-up today! I wouldn't be surprised if the US is paying for North Korea to make these threats so they can continue their political goals in the east.

They are sending there food through the UN humanitarian aid channels. There is a thread somewhere around this forum where this issue is analyzed in greater detail.

Major powers (US & China included) are subsidizing DPRK with the "humanitarian aid" made of food & fuels; however, due to Songun ( Army First) policy of the North Korean regime this allow the government to dedicate his scarse resources to Armed Forces benefit and to luxury goods for the ruling elite. Just as the humanitarian aid to Somalia in the 90s displaced local food producers (why someone need to buy food when he can get free from UN camps?) thus creating a real famine.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: saddampbuh on March 04, 2015, 09:35:40 PM
Frankly speaking, I don't distinguish between Kims, but the younger Kim's propensity for luxury goods seems to exceed even his father's, who was conspicuous for leading an expensive lifestyle.
there isn't a famine going on any more, kim jong un can wear what he likes


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: tee-rex on March 05, 2015, 08:31:00 AM
Frankly speaking, I don't distinguish between Kims, but the younger Kim's propensity for luxury goods seems to exceed even his father's, who was conspicuous for leading an expensive lifestyle.
there isn't a famine going on any more, kim jong un can wear what he likes

So he may spend $600 million on luxury goods annually, right? What about their ideology of universal equality and fraternity, and how does it meet his inclinations and propensities for dolce vita, huh?

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Former NBA superstar Dennis Rodman, who has been to the North three times, said he spent seven days on Kim's private island partying, jet skiing and horse riding and saw an array of big yachts there.

All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others?


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: freedomno1 on March 05, 2015, 08:36:19 AM
I still feel if one crazy dictator went in there and reformed the economy it could be the next East Germany in 20 years and handle its own food crisis.
Aka a working nation
Did not say a combined Korea with a democratic president but a dictator because North and South Korea rarely talk to each other at all unlike with East and West Germany.
Plus 5 Year Plans tend to work better in undeveloped economies once they are built up then transitions to capitalism kind of need working infrastructure and state focus before you get to wealth generation.


Title: Re: North Korea warns U.S. about pre-emptive strike 'if necessary'
Post by: Benjig on March 05, 2015, 09:00:29 AM
And whats the purpose this dwarf north korean leader has for his country besides one paralized in time, their citizens are living like in a bubble, sadly its not a wonderland bubble.