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OK,

Now that AMHASH is giving us the finger, those of us that bought through Havelock and gave our money to them to this scam consider them co-responsible of this fiasco, so HL has to return our money.

Here is what we know of HL:
Most probably James Grant is the guy behind HL, a solo operation posibly, but it can be that his brother David Grant is also helping, alongside Carol Dewey and Betty Hobson, they operate from Canada, the addresses are:

110 Havelock street, Ottawa, name havelock taken from the place of residence..... naive

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@45.415768,-75.677738,3a,75y,68.33h,85.93t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sjxO4Ph2NnyqY0sVocnrXaA!2e0!6m1!1e1

That is the second address of known and confirmed residence of James Grant:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/35+Wickens+St,+Trenton,+ON+K8V+0B3,+Canada/@44.150218,-77.576709,3a,75y,0.37h,86.26t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sMVLl0MreQv7LAkSfNeEhKA!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x89d617c395557329:0x89dbef42edb7b841

most probably a family house where his parents might be living.

James Grant picture:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-OTsoBWALh7w/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAADA/U12fzoBC1Dk/s120-c/photo.jpg

David Grant picture:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-zv9DLfKv6rI/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAACEM/S3MD-xrnoe0/s120-c/photo.jpg

Most people knows that HL investments is only a paper company, of those that you can buy easily in Panama, even with addresses and phones and a secretary to answer the phone.

We have contacted russian and bulgarian friends in Canada that will start searching for this guys and their relatives and associates  and when located will talk "amicably" on our behalf to recover our money, also they will contact Canadian authorities and file police reports, their fee is  15%, which we are going to pay from the recovered stash.

This is the first stage, shall this render no result, we will go to the second stage which is to seek closing of the Havelock website and those related, so those who have your money there, be warned: Get your money out before is too late.

So Havelock: For the sake of justice to the customers that trusted you and those who are still trusting you RETURN OUR MONEY OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES


*Mod Edit* You have multiple threads all going at the same time, so I'm going to lock the other two and link them through your OP here:

HAVELOCK DE-LISTS AMHASH: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=992828.0

REAL LIFE DATA on AMHASH RESPONSIBILITIES: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=976421.0

Please continue having all related conversations here.

SaltySpitoon

Yes Havelock is responsible, but for now, I see more speculation against ASICMINER itself. It's they who have not sent the payments in which is why a lot of people (including me) have not got their sig payments.

Forget it, they have us running around circles until most of us will tire and move on, this is not the first fiasco HL is involved on and acted the same: they profited from this, they took our money and they have to return it

Who can really prove that HL is not involved in a really complicated scheme to paint all this impossible picture?, they did the same with N&B.

Now, i use the principle of FOLLOW THE MONEY, the only thing for certain that we know is that some of us gave our money to AMHASH and some to HAVELOCK, besides that, everything can be lies, who can proof beyond any doubt that HL and AM are not accomplices?, or not?.

We need to center in what we know for sure, that in this case is that we gave or money to HL and AM, now, realistically, AM is unreachable, HL is reachable by being in the western world which is much more regulated and also HL has some target that they cannot hide like its website and online business that we can put a lot of pressure over.

Frankly i think that the Bitcoin world will be better off without scammers like HL so we will bring that site down, should they not come to honor their compromises.

Based on what I read from your past posts, you want to get your money back, but you talk about these insane amounts of money without any proof of sending that amount. I see 20-200 btc.

Though, you can keep going on for quite awhile before you ever get your few btc back, and by the time you do get it back, btc would probably be too low.

That is what my group invested 250BTC now down to 170BTC after following this rules posted on the AMHASH page on HAVELOCK: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=AMHASH1

And this is not only about the money, IT IS ABOUT SELF RESPECT.

Once we recover our money, WE WILL NEVER AGAIN INVEST IN BITCOIN, which has become the land of thieves and the home of the conn

That's right what i meant, there are people in Panama that lends their names to this kind of legal cheat.

Meanwhile, James and his band roam free on Canada....

Let's all report https://www.havelockinvestments.com/ to BADBITCOIN.ORG list, here is how:

http://www.badbitcoin.org/report/index.htm

Also, and beware, here is the list of domains managed by this band of scammers:

The email domain@lightbox.org is related to these domains :

1.  bancroftoldhastings.com
2.  benttreecanoe.com
3.  canoefm.com
4.  carlcoxrv.com
5.  cwsf.info
6.  cwsf2005.org
7.  havelockinvestments.com
8.  homeworkanswers.net
9.  hotvids.biz
10.  hotvids.net
11.  hotvids.org
12.  iicelebrity.com
13.  innovative-service.com
14.  lakesidegems.com
15.  lightbox.org
16.  northerntimberhouse.com
17.  nosycat.com
18.  oralotis.org
19.  peoplefood.org
20.  quinterocks.com
21.  scitechontario.org
22.  sonsoftech.com
23.  teddytime.com
24.  thebenefitscoach.com
25.  upnorthart.com

Havelock's responsibility is limited to not informing us timely.
This responsibility is only valid if they knew about what was going beforehand.
The shutdown for maintenance increases the suspicion that they knew something was going wrong.

From Rock Xie's last detailed statement, it seems also that it was an unexpected incident/move to them as well.
 
The root of the problem lays with FriedCat and AsicMiner.
It seems that FriedCat was the engine of the company and other partners seem to lack the capability and/or will to solve the problem.

Sorry AirWolf but you are barking up the wrong tree.

Havelock may have its issues but I don't see how they can be blamed for the AMHASH fiasco. The issuer of AMHASH asked to list on Havelock, paid the fees and got listed.  Havelock make a charge for the service and I don't see how anyone can complain that they grossly failed in this duty other than a gripe about site availability, the recent extended outage and maybe the circumstances under which they froze AMHASH.

Personally I think that not being able to contact the issuer constitutes reasonable grounds for suspension of the listing. I'm unaware of the communications around AM1 and AM100 and kinda expected them to be suspended too.

You might have a case if Havelock grossly misrepresented something but I can't think of anything in this case.

So lets be clear:  Please tell us exactly what Havelock have done wrong in relation to AM and AMHASH? Also state the limits of their errors/misbehaviour and indicate what reasonable compensation you are looking for which is proportionate to their actions.

Digging out personal details and publishing them for all to read is illegal in many jurisdictions as it breaches privacy regulations etc. Especially when it is combined with (implied) threats and encouragement for third parties to 'do stuff' to them. Please start to act like a grownup and not a frustrated teenager - you lost money, welcome to the real world.

You put money into an online project/fund and lost it. These things happen, very few bitcoin projects have any staying power and the space is full of scams and fraud. Read up on the phrase "Caveat emptor".

Full disclosure: I'm not involved in any way with Havelock other than as a person who buys and sells shares through them. Likewise I have no involvement in Asicminer, AMHASH etc.

Andy

Havelock, above and beyond facilitating sale of unregistered securities to US persons, knowingly deals directly with US issuers of said illegal securities--US nationals, operating from US soil (see: Brandon Schlichter (RENT), his brother Benny Schlichter (HASH) MS, etc., etc.) in breach of both US law & Havelock's own TOS).

Havelock has a long, storied history of issuers & passthrough operators  vanishing with the rubes' investor's money.  Total number of offerings trading above IPO price?  Just one (currently being pumped).  If it looks and shits like a duck.

Havelock even robs those foolish enough to buy Havelock's own, self-issued HIF and CFIG.
TL;DR:  Guy's a petty fraudster who made stealing possible for more competent, grander fraudsters--should not profit from this.  He also happens to be awful at what he does, thus offering LEO plenty of technicalities to snag him on.  Would be surprised if this lasts longer than 3 months.

I'm not a lawyer but I do note that the listing pages for both HASH and RENT both state that US citizens should not buy these issues and in the case of HASH should contact the issuer in regard to "SEC Reg. D. 506 exemptions". I also am not aware of any US regulations preventing the sale of securities to non-US citizens. So I can only conclude that you do not know the regulations in force, however I'm sure both Brandon Schlichter and Benny Schlichter would be happy to explain this to you the legal position if you contact them in a non-anonymous manner.

In any case it is a big old world out there and only 5% of the population are in the US so frankly, who cares about the SEC anyway? - their entire remit is in regard to investments sold to US persons. If US citizens are daft enough to buy into offerings which are stated as prohibited by the issuer that is their own responsibility.

In any case this thread is about AMHASH1, which is based in China. I don't see any misrepresentation from Havelock in relation to AMHASH1 so I don't see what AirWolf has to gripe about.

Andy

Just by not making due diligence and facilitating the operation of a fraud company TWICE is proof of their involvement.

JUST SUPPOSING that HL acted in good faith, they were NEGLIGENT by offering a SCAM to their clients, just to later wash their hands out of it.

But there is more: HAVELOCK IS ONE OF THE OWNERS OF AMHASH, and i will prove this later today or tomorrow.

Stay tuned.

No, you are neither a lawyer nor do you understand the scope of Rule 506 of Regulation D.  The goofballs roped in by brothers Schlichter are the very opposite of accredited investors covered by Rule 506 of Regulation D.  You are white-knighting a duo of prototypical internet conmen, here:
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In a non-anonymous manner, Andy?  Thus far, my interest in this scamfest was fairly superficial, that of a bemused bystander.  If you feel I should be involved on a more personal level, convince me--I'll try to find the time :)

Sorry mate, by quoting NLC you just lost all credibility.

I don't care about the SEC rules as I'm not in the US and they don't apply to anything I do. Nor apparently are the offerings anything to do with the SEC as the issuers are Hong Kong based, all this can be seen on the fund pages. As I said, if you think there is really something wrong then contact the issuers who are linked on the page.

The language of your postings suggests you have a personal issue in this matter, who knows, you could be anyone as you are staying anonymous. Accusing people of selling illegal securities is much easier when you are anonymous than when you have to stand by your words as an identified person.

But then again, you find the Schlechter bros credible, and have even "invested" in one (or more?) of their schemes :-\

AirWolf, you've been told multiple times to stop making such retarded statements that just make you look like a total buffoon. Neither AM nor AMHash were a scam. AM has been producing miners for over a couple of years now. Are you so delusional that you claim that AM never actually had any Block Erupters, Cubes, Tubes or Prismas for sale or use despite the fact that lots of people are currently using them and even more have had one in their hands?

How on earth is that a scam?

Now, given AM had all these BE200 ASICs and BE200 based Tubes and Prisma they were having trouble selling, does it really surprise you that they would put some of that hashing power to cloud mining use?

How on earth is that a scam?

The "scam" here is that FC has gone missing and has the keys to the coins. This occurred a couple of months after AMHash was set up.

Havelock is not an owner of AMHash you bloody imbecile. AMHash is owned by AM, with sales and support done by RockMiner. Havelock has a seat on the board of AM which they acquired when they took over AM1 from TaT. As an AM shareholder who doesn't give a fuck about Havelock, AM is fully responsible for this mess, not Havelock and not even RockMiner.


Silverspoon is NLC.

Agghhhhhh!!!!!

I've been trolled.

:)

Read that website's take on GAW/Paycoin and then think how legitimate they are.

Curious tangent:  Canary brazenly lying* for his buddy Benny Schlichter (issuer of HASH):
http://s14.postimg.org/g7d96ieg1/Capture.jpg
*Anyone familiar with the HASH saga knows that no such documents exist.

Try this, looks like the place exists.

http://www.circlevilleherald.com/news/pumpkin-village-arts-crafts-mall-moving-expanding/article_2fb59b4b-3d1c-5853-867a-a46069ef3aa0.html?mode=story

l

^Most places exist, andyfletcher, existence is an essential quality of placehood.
What didn't exist, in this particular case, was the signed real estate document.
The shell docs did tho, here: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6gZtLSqKPzQY05JZm1MSVNFaEk/edit

P.S:  Your money is gone.

  ~Cassandra

OK, Now Havelock is threatening me with publishing my personal data, collected from their website, it looks like they are all desperate...

But the most important part is how this scammers have little or no respect for their own privacy policy, much less your privacy, this is what they can do when you press them hard to get your money back!

Airwolf.

We stated to you that if you don't stop your physical threats "Your russian friends paying us a visit" we would report your emails to authorities.

We don't take physical threats to any of our employees lightly.

LIAR!, here is your email:


AND MY RUSSIAN FRIENDS *WILL* PAY YOU A VISIT JAMES, be sure to have cookies and tea ready...

Well, this situation seems to be spiraling out of control and appears to be much more dire than I originally thought I read it to be. I hope justice is served to the parties in the right and if there's any bad actors, that they have to pay restitution.

I wouldnt wait. Time is of the essence when someone threatens your personal security.

You sound like a fucking child that wants to hurt people irl over money. You're a piece of shit, probably worst than a scammer. This post you made is clearly a threat to someone's safety and is nothing short of a crime itself.

HERE IS HOW JAMES GRANT, OWNER AND OPERATOR OF HAVELOCK IS PART OF ASICMINER/AMHASH:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=989850.0

Has this dangerous miscreant been reported to the Panamanian Interweb Police yet?  Or are you, as always, full of bluster & shit?

Bump. Havelock!
This is not to be taken lightly, the Chief  King Presidente of Panama must be notified immediately; appropriate actions taken--Jets scrambled, alerts issued, citizenry notified, roadblocks established, bridges mined, that sort of thing.  Not exactly sure of the particulars tho, El Presidente would probably know better.

It is fairly simple if you don't trust Havelock do as I did and sell anything you have left on their site and move on. The whole crypto world is becoming one big scam.

Btw...  ;) I just did :) Unless I get at least part of my money from AMHash back - I am not buying anything from Havelock, its too risky if such things happen so easily there. I think Havelock should provide serious assistance trying to retrieve our money and at least apologize and take some responsibility in taking actions against asicminer and rockminer on behalf of their investors.

I don't agree havelock is not responsible. They vet companies for scam and no one thought they would go rogue including havelock. Any btc balance to u have on havelock was not frozen since havelock controls it. You can't expect them to back am hash funds. They are just a stock front end company

"paying restitution" would be a first in the btc securities world. Its no wonder so many all the securities are frauds and cheats, you can rip people off with impunity, nothing will ever happen. these guys must laugh, I mean, its the easiest scam in the world, free money, no strings attached.
makes me sick.

It's ironic (is that the right word, I'm not sure...?) that people who jumped on board knowing full well that they were purchasing unregistered securities then turn around and want to use that Asa means to attack havelock. You knew full well that you were buying unregistered securities in the first place, seems disingenuous to then raise that as an issue; there's got to be some level of personal responsibility at hand.

Yes, am & amhash perpetuated a fraud, that's definitely grounds to complain. But no one forced you US citizens ti go buy what you knew then and know now we're unregistered securities. Looking at the investment performance of the other securities listed on their site is also meaningless; treading prices are outside of their control. They manage the registration and sale of shares, the transfer of proceeds from those sales to the seller (whether the issuer or a secondary seller), the distribution of dividends that are recieved. They don't evaluate the fitness of each security, just as etrade wasn't liable for the Enron fraud.

I'm not defending FC, AM, or AMhash. I get the anger about the loss. But casting this met wider and wider and threatening people who are, in all likelihood, completely unrelated to those who perpetuated the fraud is not appropriate. And running off to complain about unregistered sales of securities, again, you knew full well of that fact before hand. people who want the protections afforded to people who deposit into fdic insured institutions or want the protections offered by the SEC simply shouldn't be investing in Bitcoin at this point. It's in its Wild West phase. Regulations will likely come, but until that day arrives, you might be better off avoiding Bitcoins and Bitcoin related  investments as being too high of risk.

Says the person publishing the personal data of people not involved in the scam, seeking put personal data about the friends and family of the scammers who in all likelihood know nothing...

Being scammed sucks.
Losing money sucks.

But there comes a point where you have to say, ok, I lost. Time to move on. Report fried cat and co to the authorities. But stop dragging innocent people into the sphere of your investigation, coupled with implied threats of bodily harm. And next time, take the standard investment advice of "don't invest more than you can afford to lose"

Havelock/lightbox has sold nothing but bunk.  It's his business model, see his own stock, Havelock Investment Fund.

http://s28.postimg.org/flz7qavj1/Capture.jpg

He claimed that his business website is worth SIXTY MILLION DOLLARS (US, not Canadian) during his own "IPO."  If that's not preying on the feebleminded, WTF is?

Sure, there's enough irony to go around in Bitcoin securities, but lack of rules & regulation cuts both ways--he tries to cover his tracks by pretending to sell his website to Panamanian d00ds?  His victims counter by pretending to be concerned citizens  & reporting him for tax evasion & breaking Canadian securities regulations unless he makes good.

Al Capone was nailed for tax evasion--I doubt the folks who put him away were racked by the moral implications of not putting him away for his more serious crimes.  Whatever gets the job done :)

VERY GOOD IDEA!
I'll get to work on it...

[UNITED AMHASH VICTIMS - PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT]

Amhash investors are having a hard time the last months due to the so called "unforeseen events".

Lets get over and recall the claimed events:
December 25, 2014 : AsicMiner lost control of 3.5 PH of the total 5 PH Amhash mining facility
January 26, 2015 : Last activity date of FriedCat on the Bitcointalk forum. The disappearance of FriedCat should have happened after this date.
February 08, 2015 : After 45 days from the facility loss, and 13 days after FriedCats last post on Bitcointalk.
Amhash announces the delay of payments using the spring festival as excuse to gain more time to keep these two incidents secret from the investors.
February 18, 2015 : Suspicious Havelock outage for 14 days until March 4, 2015 which created a big panic.
March 02, 2015 : Aftar 67 days from the facility loss and 35 days after FriedCats last post on Bitcointalk.
Amhash finally admits that the 3.5 PH of the mining facility has been lost and the  disappearance  of FriedCat has surfaced.
The next day Rock Xie mentions that the solution depends on FriedCat's return in his blog.

There's no proof whether the claimed events actually happened, the communication was and still is at unacceptable unprofessional levels, no detailed, convincing and timely information has been disclosed so far.

Worse than that, responsible parties, acted lightly, have not been honest, and detained the investors by hiding information and fabricating excuses for over two months.

It's hard to know whether or how true these stories are, as the related parties has proven their capability to act in shady ways.

If we assume the provided claims to be true:
AsicMiner is mainly responsible for the incident, and the compensation of the loss of the damaged parties. Because of putting almost all the control of the business and the funds in the hands of a single person called FriedCat, and losing control of the mining facility, by jeopardizing the investment, without having any insurance, or security measures for the protection of the investment.

It's AsicMiners problem to pursue and sue FriedCat and other responsible parties, or not.



THE SETTLEMENT OFFER

At March 25, 2015 AsicMiner has made a settlement offer through Havelock:
This settlement is clearly AsicMiners attempt to exploit the despair of hopeless investors, to get rid of all legal and financial responsibilities, by bribing a small portion of what has been taken and claimed to be lost, and asking them to waive all their current and future rights on Amhash shares swapped for AmhashLC.

Amhash investors, has neither a fault, nor any authority and responsibility for the so called "unforeseen events". Amhash investors can't be held responsible for these events mentioned herein above. Yet the investors are expected to pay for the mistakes of AsicMiner and their lightly handling of their business.

AsicMiner is responsible of the loss of investor capital (Last market price: 0.00091498 BTC/Amhash Share) and all unpaid past and future mining dividends. Even the sum of the unpaid dividends   (Since February 10th, 2015) has passed the proposed 0.0003 BTC/Share settlement offer. This incident has also caused additional financial, psychological and social problems for some of the investors which depended on the dividend payments.


We have been detained for over three months now and it is clear that AsicMiner has minimal or no will for a fair settlement. We trust in the Chinese authorities that they will deliver justice and reveal the true story about what really happened. Therefore we have decided to initiate the litigate process, and the informing process of the Chinese authorities from all available channels, about the potential fraud and illegal fund raising activities of AsicMiner for the Amhash mining project and the Asicminer shares.

This AirWolf guy has been silent for a few days... I wonder if he is in Russia with his frends in government or already in China hunting those AM bastards... Or in America going after Havelock :)
Please update us on your quest when you have a minute in between battles... ;)