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Hey guys, I m happy to provide this service and to bring you GSDPT :)

Introduction:
Do you want to invest in SatoshiDice without having to go through the trouble of setting up a account on MPex or simply want to avoid to 20 BTC fee for account creation. Then look no further! GSDPT is a perfect way to invest in SatoshiDice through GLBSE, no trouble and all of the gain :) Each share will be purchased for the face value of the share on MPex the pricing will be the following:
There will be three blocks of shares released:
1)   2 million shares @ 0.0032 btc (Aug 24, Midnight GMT)
2)   5 million shares @ 0.0034 btc (Aug 25, Midnight GMT)
3)   3 million shares @ 0.0037 btc (Aug 26, Midnight GMT)
The IPO will be on the 24th at 20:00 GMT+1 each share will be sold for 0.0032 BTC.


Contract:
Each share has the right to 95% of the dividends paid by S.DICE listed on MPex (http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php?mpsic=S.DICE). Each GSDPT is backed up by one share of S.DICE share. The dividend will be paid within 48 hours of the payment from S.DICE if this is not possible the dividend will be paid out together with the next dividend. The issuer has the right to issue more shares and buy back shares (for the value of 1 S.DICE on MPex). The shares have no voting rights.

One point I forget to mention : I do trades free of charge. You can trade your S.DICE for GSDPT or your GSDPT for S.DICE 1:1. I also offer to liquidate the bond on MPex for a 1:1 trade between the amount liquidated by selling the bond and the amount you will receive.

https://bitfunder.com/asset/G.SDICE
https://btct.co/security/GSDPT

As always if you have any questions or concerns please do ask!

//DeaDTerra

bump :)
//DeaDTerra

Good luck!

Thanks Ludvig!

Just that everybody knows, this exchange is run by a dubious Romanian character, who is a content stealer, spammer, wannabe porn website owner, called Mircea Popescu.

(NSFW) http://polimedia.us/dtng/f/
http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74399.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67535.msg862177#msg862177

Thank you guys for letting me set this service up, hopefully everyone will be happy with this solution :)
//DeaDTerra

Oh please, the forum have had enough fud with all the pirate stuff.
Please GTFO from my thread before I become pissed :)
This is off-topic and I want none of it here please, go setup your own thread where you can do whatever you would like but here we keep it to the IPO at hand.
//DeaDTerra

anyway you could create a another asset for short and somehow link the shorters to the longers, thus not necessarily be a passthrough and do your own market when there is a balanced orderbook.
Does this make any sense at all?

It makes sense though for me it feels like a bit to much trouble, but if someone wants to lend my shares to short then I am fine with that :)
//DeaDTerra

To add some value to the asset to justify my admin fee I am going to offer 1:1 trades between S.DICE and GSDPT.
If you no longer want to hole you share of GSDPT then you can simply trade it for S.DICE share, I will also be providing buy backs as best as I can (this really depends on the liqudity of the S.DICE bonds and the price on MPex for the bonds). If I can sell of S.DICE on MPex then I will offer to trade 1 GSDPT for the amount 1 share of S.DICE would sell on MPex. For all trades and conversion between exchanges and share I as the manager absorb all the trade/transfer fees.
//DeaDTerra

launch date on GLBSE 2013-04-24 14:00:00  ???

It is too bad DeaDTerra didn't get the Kraken passthrough. We may have gotten decent terms in that case.

Well that's wrong xD thanks for notifying me I will get Nef to fix it :)
//DeaDTerra

I am working on it ^^
I have talked to Patrick and I might get to join Kraken #2
//DeaDTerra

lol I hate it when that happens

UPDATED STATS (Aug 24)

When the IPO was announced about 6 days ago, the P/E ratio was 10x.  Some people said that was too high of a valuation and we've been debating this as is proper.

I updated the stats today to reflect the past week of numbers, as well as added a new metric showing P/E based on past 30 days (not based on all time performance).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aiec3-Eo_yO5dG5SQklHZG4wRm1GMW9DRWpMMW5UQkE#gid=0 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aiec3-Eo_yO5dG5SQklHZG4wRm1GMW9DRWpMMW5UQkE#gid=0)

Current P/E based on all-time performance: 8.79x
Current P/E based on past 30 days performance:  4.72x

Thus, if SatoshiDICE remains flat from here, and neither grows nor shrinks in usage from actual past 30 days' performance, it's priced at a 4.72x multiple. Annual dividend yield of IPO prices is 21.20%

I can't stress enough that all these numbers are based on actual real-life performance, they are not wild-eyed estimates of possible future growth figures, etc. I think it will be hard to continue to argue that this asset is priced unreasonably.

I have started issueing and selling off shares :)
I will then transfer the funds raised to MPex and place a bid to prepare for the SD IPO.
//DeaDTerra
*Edit* a bug on GLBSE has prevented me from selling the shares more updates soon*

The ask wall is up :)
Place your bids!
//DeaDTerra

Go go GLBSE funkyness. From #bitcoin-assets:


Then the last trade listed on GLBSE is 47679@0.0032, so that trade (which didn't print on IRC) got the rest of the shares. :(

Damn. The 999 was only a test buy to make sure GLBSE was working. I wanted more!

Already up something like 30%

LOL where is DeaDTerra he needs to be passing through more shares, the price shouldn't be spiking like this :)

It will be funny if the passthrough sells more of the  shares than the exchange the IPO is listed on does  :D

I sleepy sleepy xD
I have placed more shares now and I will start the backing :)
//DeaDTerra

Okay I am currently buying the backing from MPex and everything is going fine so far :)
I will keep buying backing as the GSDPT shares get's bought up.
Yet again sorry for the delay, and I will do my best to avoid delays in the future.
Enjoy your shares!
//DeaDTerra

Thanks for another nice service!

While the first 10 million shares are sold, your job is just to put up a sell wall at the current IPO price. Once no more shares are to be sold, will you then just issue dividends? Also, will the two stocks then trade freely, thus creating arbitrage opportunity? And will no more shares be issued at that point until more shares are sold by Erik himself?

I just want to make sure my vision of the way this stock works aligns with the way it actually works in reality. Thanks!

Current amount of GSDPT sold: 268,139
Current amount of S.DICE held in backing: 278,008
//DeaDTerra

Yes I will pay the dividend for GSDPT it will be 95% of that of S.DICE.
This is true indeed, it will create arb opportunities. I will sell GSDPT shares if I have enough backing, if I decide to buy more from MPex and issue more shares on GLBSE, I will do such.
//DeaDTerra

Put a link to the GSDPT in the first post. Put the mpex link below it, clearly seen, maybe bold it, on their own lines. Keep up the good work, what day of the month are dividends distributed?

Okay will do :)
It will be paid as according to the contract within 48 hours after S.DICE does it.
//DeaDTerra

A dividend of 28.996 BTC has been paid out :D!
This is a bonus dividend from Evorhees to say thank you to all the early share holders :)
I am going to put up another wall of shares for whoever that wants to buy in.
//DeaDTerra

Thanks!

This was a "bonus" dividend then.
So how often and how much (estimate) regular dividends will be like?

The bonus dividend was the profit from August, the dividend will be paid each month and will be proportional to the profit S.DICE has made during that month :)
//DeaDTerra

Dividends are paid every month.

And, you can estimate the amount of the dividends yourself. Here's how:

Dooglus has been tracking the wins/loss of every bet made on SatoshiDICE each day in this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312). (Check the last posts) He does this by tracking the bets through the blockchain.

Next add up the profits for the month. These profits MINUS expenses (server upkeep, salary, etc.) will be the entire stock dividend.

Then divided by 100,000,000 shares of stock. (Note: only 10,000,000 share are available to the public, the rest are held privately.)
Now you have the dividend per share.

Remember, GSDPT keeps an additional 5% of the dividend.


As an example:
August 2012 profits MINUS expenses were: BTC7,861.57

Profit divided by 100,000,000 = 0.0000786157  dividend per share

GSDPT keeps 5%, so after that the dividend per share would be:
0.000074684915

Indeed that is correct :)
2012-09-06 00:57   28.99436064   388248   0.00007468
//DeaDTerra

Just take a look at how many shares you own, divide by 100 million. Figure out the percent of Satoshi Dice you own and then look at Doog's chart. Look at the total profit at the start date of last dividend, find the difference between that and the current date. Then find your share, that will be your dividend.

Think of it this way. If you own 1 million shares, you own 1% of the profits. Say the amount of money made by the site in 1 month is 4500 bitcoins. Your dividend will be 45 bitcoins for that month.

I am happy to report that DeaDterra has rolled over my shares from GSDPT to S.DICE with no trouble.  Took a little less than one day to complete the transfer.  I'm a satisfied customer.

another 100,000 shares has been issued and is now for sale :D
We have broken the 500,000 shares point.
We now owe 5% out of the 10,000,000 shares ^^
//DeaDTerra

Quick Update:

The new SatoshiDICE site should be live within 2 weeks, I hope everyone is excited for it :)

Also, there's another special announcement which will be made around the same time - should be very good for owners of S.DICE

I read that the next payment from SatoshiDICE will be on Oct 1. It will be exiting to see how much it is!

I thought it was on the 5th?  Which is it?

It will be around 200BTC, unless something changes dramatically in the next few days, according to dooglass's analysis

From the contract (http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php?mpsic=S.DICE):

So it is no later than the 5th, but it could be as early as the 1st.

Right now it seems like it'll be 400BTC, if the dividend was today. The previous dividend was 786BTC, so it should end up being about 60% of the previous dividend, which was actually an unexpected bonus dividend which was a collection of all profits gathered to that point.

Satoshi Dice is 100% transparent, 100% provable, and up to 10% of the profits held by the public, including charities! Best bitcoin game ever!

See this thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=80312.220

More like around (11851 - 9851 / 10) = 200BTC estimated for this month.  0.6% yield at 0.0034 price.
 

Today's the date! I hope we get much BTCBTCBTC when the dividends starts =)

A final wave of shares will go out, then the backing will be synced :)
So that we are prepared for the dividend.
//DeaDTerra

.6% monthly yield is equivalent to approximately 7.45% APR, I believe. If that holds, that's quite a good return on an investment that probably won't depreciate as quickly as mining equipment will.

Yeah, but it was an unlucky month, relative to expectation.

Expected return is 1.9% total bets minus about 0.1% in fees.  Looking at the bet volume this month...

(.019-.001)*(881473.16-649203.71) = 4180.85 BTC,  Actual came in around 2200BTC.


4180.85 BTC / 100,000,000 / .0034 = 1.23% expected yield this month.  Extrapolating 1.0123^12 (assuming reinvestment at .0034), = 15.8% APR.


 

Once the owner blocks sell there's probably going to be some upward movement of shares.

That is still something like 23000 btc away.

But only 3521107*.0034 = 11971 bitcoins away from the first 9% price jump.  9% return will be pretty sweet as it is.

Also, the daily betting results updates certainly put a damper on buying after the 2800BTC loss on September 8th.  When you know the yield is going to be <1% this month, other securities (S.MPOE, B.MPCD.A, B.MPCD.B, ) look more attractive from a yield perspective (1.36, 2, 3%/mo respectively). Now we have a blank profit slate, and hopefully we will catch up with a great month in October.  If the yield is looking more rich >1.5%, I expect the .0034 block will sell out before Nov.

There's a ~9% space between 34 and 37 tho. But yes, it's not going to happen tomorrow. Investment with a one day attention span is done for anyway, one would hope.

Make that 11628 BTC to go ;D

That was me purchasing some shares for the backing :)
//DeaDTerra

Okay, September is over! The stats are now updated on the spreadsheet:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aiec3-Eo_yO5dG5SQklHZG4wRm1GMW9DRWpMMW5UQkE (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aiec3-Eo_yO5dG5SQklHZG4wRm1GMW9DRWpMMW5UQkE)

Summary:
Earnings   2115.30020995
Hosting/Tech Expenses   50
   
Net Profit   2065.30020995
10% MPEX Dividend   206.530020995

Volume over past 30 Days   228,279.18
Actual Profit over past 30 Days   2,115.30
Expected Profit over past 30 Days   4,337.30

From the numbers, you can see that players did statistically better than they should have this month (good for them!). Based on volume of SatoshiDICE bets, the site was expected to earn 4,337 BTC, but only earned 2,115 BTC. The dividend would have been roughly double the size if we had statistically matched expectations.

September was the second-strongest month ever in terms of bet volume, after last month's record-breaking performance.

Moving into October, the new site is extremely close (day or two) to being live, and a special announcement still remains that is 1-2 weeks away.

Thank you to all the asset holders, both on MPEX and the GLBSE passthrough. I will be paying the dividend tomorrow (Tuesday)... if you buy shares before I pay it you get an immediate return of about 7.5% APY ;)

Cheers,
-Erik

Thanx for the info evoorhees!

Backing has been completed :)
Current backing is 1:1 ratio and Erik is going to pay the dividend any minute now.
After the dividend the ask wall will come up again.
//DeaDTerra

September's dividend of 206.53002089 BTC has been paid on MPEX

12.282453 BTC has been paid to the share holders of GSDPT :)
//DeaDTerra

DeaDTerra, what is going to happen to this now that GLBSE has shut down?

It depends on how the transition goes.
If we have a good replacement of GLBSE, then we can move their.
Otherwise I could setup some kind of manual payout system,
or I could offer to sell the shares on MPEX and payout the amount I got from selling them.
I plan to honor my contract, but exactly how is to early to answer.
//DeaDTerra

Do you have a list of shareholdres?

is https://cryptostocks.com/ (https://cryptostocks.com/) or https://icbit.se (https://icbit.se)/ any good?

Any news about GLBSE?

They still have the "later today" comment on their website. I think a day is longer to Nefario than it is to the rest of us? Really, an update they put on the site should contain a timestamp of some sort.

We can login at glbse.com now and "claim" our BTC and assets...

DeaDTerra, what is your course of action regarding the closing of GLBSE? Are you obtaining shareholder information?

Any updates?

I have submitted the necessary info to GLBSE and I am waiting for the share holder information :)
//DeaDTerra

Will SD passthru shares be paying out dividends as normal?
Should I just expect not to get dividends this month? Pretty disappointed with GLBSE overall, hoping to successfully recover my shares in SD  so it's not a total loss .
havent gotten a single btc outta glbse  ???

It's impossible to tell who owns what shares, so unfortunately the dividend is delayed until I can get the information from GLBSE.
//DeaDTerra

I can tell you how many shares I have. I can send you a PM.

ofc you can!
I can also tell that I have 100000000000 shares aswell. DeaDTerra needs the list from GLBSE to confirm who owns shares and how many of them.

Sorry but I will not be taking in any info from people that claim to be share holders as it will be hard to prove that they actually own the shares they say, that they do.
We will have to wait for GLBSE to confirm each shareholder.
//DeaDTerra

According to Nefario, Nefario is distributing the necessary information to shareholders. I'll be staying tuned.

http://blog.glbse.com/issuers-being-given-shareholder-lists

I will report back any progress on this.
//DeaDTerra

With Gigamining having received their list of holders, have you received anything?

Lists are being sent out 1-4 a week I believe starting with the largest (I believe by total volume traded) and going down the list; gigamining was the largest security on the exchange, some people believe that lawyers also helped their case. Because this security was only started a short while before closing it's further down the list than it should be otherwise. Nefario has said he's doing it now and seems to be slowly getting around to it.

I was just poking around, considering trying to get someone to offer a passthru on BTC-TC when I stumbled into your GLBSE issue here.

I'd love to see this on BTC-TC (http://btct.co/) ... Let me know if you're interested or not.  If not I'll see if I can push someone else into doing it.  ;)

I am thinking of either shutting the pass through down or doing it manually,
Tbh after all this Bullshit I am quite tired of exchanges and middle men.
//DeaDTerra

I bet you could do that with other assets listed elsewhere provided its ok with the asset issuer of course.

So you would be basically acting as a broker for people to buy shares on MPEX?

How do things work to claim the shares once you get the list from GLBSE?

I have no idea how many shares I had so I have no idea if it would be worth the 20 BTC to setup a MPex account. Shame that it might go down the toilet. Do you think you'll still be honoring the 1:1 trade GLBSE shares to MPex if you get the GLBSE list?

DeaDTerra, thanks for the service you provided with this. It was good while it lasted.

Yes Indeed,
I work as a broker for the people who want to buy S.DICE shares on MPEX.
For this service I take 5% of the dividend.

The share holder will get the choice of
A, transfer the bonds to his/her MPEX account.
B, Sell off the bonds to the open market and I send him/her whatever the bonds selling yielded.
C, Keep using me as a broker and I keep sending the dividends each month.
//DeaDTerra

So you don't plan to offer transferring to CoinBr.com account?

Once Nefario has released all the shareholder info,
I would rather the pass through be moved to burnside's https://btct.co
OR liquidate the assets.

Of course, I'm speaking as someone who does not have an MPEX account (or else why would I use a pass through?).

CoinBr would enable you to liquidate at time/price you want by placing appropriate order. You don't need MPEx account at all to use it.  It practically makes all MPEx passthroughs obsolete. While there are some small fees, I'm open to negotiate special conditions if passthrough operators are interested to make the liquidation painless to users.

Comparing transaction fees at CoinBr to BTC-TC, CoinBr is 2.5x higher on trades, 10x higher on withdrawals, more than 10x higher on asset transfers, and has a monthly maintenance fee of 0.09 BTC.  I'm sure a chunk of that is to cover underlying MPEx transaction costs.

Still, CoinBr looks like it could be pretty handy.  Big question I'd have is... what happens to the stocks held in CoinBr if CoinBr goes offline?

MPEX and coinbr are ok I suppose for toy companies that arent actually registered anywhere.

You'll have to get used to the simple idea that being on MPEx > being on NYSE. They say the earlier you do it the less it burns.

The "underlying MPEx transaction costs" are negligible. All the fees are actually used to fund the ongoing development and ensure sustainability of whole thing. CoinBr is not a charity, neither is based on delusions of having > 100k monthly btc trade volume in foreseeable future, like some site you mention. I really doubt you will get better overall profit from any meaningful volume (like, 10BTC or more) by trading passthroughs than when doing it directly on MPEx via CoinBr - considering not just fees but also buy price, sell price and dividends.

What happens if CoinBr goes offline and how it deals with 3rd party risk, is detailed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118551.msg1275646#msg1275646 . Do you actually have similar level of assurance from your passthrough operator?

I think I get your meaning.  You're right, the 'other exchange' isn't going to make it's founders rich anytime soon.  ;)

Regarding whether you get a better deal (part of which is risk/reward) or not by the time you consider buy price and dividends, I would argue that it entirely depends on how many shares you hold.  Part of that would be calculating the risk of dealing with the various passthrough operators.  Roughly:

A ton of shares: MPEx is the best deal, and the least risky.  (1 middle man between you and the operator.)
Somewhere between a couple shares and a ton of shares: You have to do some math comparing your passthrough options.

Example: on CoinBr you'd have to hold more than 2800 shares of SatoshiDice to make anything on the dividend, assuming a 0.0032 buy price, a 0.09 BTC account fee, and ~1%/mo dividend.  With Gamma if you have 2800 shares, you only give up 5% (5% being the Gamma passthru operators fee) of the dividend, not 100%.  Obviously if the dividend is higher, the number of shares to break-even is lower.  Also, at 1% dividend you have to get over 50,000 shares before the 0.09 BTC/mo account fee is less than 5% of your dividend income.


Quoting the relevant portions here to save everyone the painful extraction:


Nothing against CoinBr, but is CoinBr not just a passthrough operator itself?  You're not a registered broker, you have not sworn to operate under the same rules and guidelines a registered broker operates under.  That makes you a passthrough same as anyone else, does it not?

Will MPEx accept these receipts as proof of ownership?  How does MPEx deal with a situation where you buy, receive receipt, wait 6 months, sell, wait 6 months, make claim with receipt?  I'm sure they can track it somehow, but can you imagine the process of digging through thousands of these things with possibly thousands of sales of the same shares over time?  I'd be interested to get some input from MPEx on this one.


So the CoinBr broker (passthru operator) accepts zero liability unless you track him down and figure out the legal structure where he lives.

Cheers.

We'll gladly leave < 1BTC customers to other brokers/passthroughs. And you neglected the "price" argument - as S.MPOE/S.DICE prices quite much fluctuate, with CoinBr you can buy/sell often and instantly to easily recover that 5%. With passthrough you have to wait when/if someone does the arbitration. With "offline" broker you have to contact him first.


Whatever. I'm not the first nor only one to use some terms borrowed from other and more heavily regulated markets.

Provided that CoinBr MPEx account is intact, users will be still in much better situation than in case of GLBSE.  We are planning to improve upon this by emailing GPG-signed daily statements. It will be in everyone's best interest (including MPEx itself) to resolve the situation and they will have the tools to do so - I can't lay out plans how exactly, this is a hypothetical situation.

Do you have some feasible proposal how to improve this?

I was arguing that up until 50,000 shares you get a better deal elsewhere.  That's roughly where the 0.09 BTC account fee drops below 5% of the collected dividends at a 1% dividend.

2800 shares ~= 9 BTC
50,000 shares ~= 160 BTC

You're right though, the liquidity of the passthrough could be an issue if you're not buying to hold it long term.



I think what I was getting at is that saying you're a broker is misleading to anyone who knows what one really is.  Kind of like saying you're a doctor when you don't have the doctorate, or saying you're a lawyer when you haven't passed the bar.  You're getting into borderline scammer tag territory.


Good risk management, and maybe get an insurance policy.  I think probably this starts with a formal agreement with MPEx laying out what happens if your brokerage is compromised.

There's the potential for your 'brokerage' to hold thousands and thousands of dollars of people's securities.  If you feel like I'm being pointed, or being harsh, it's because I want you to succeed long term in a way that does not end badly.  MPEx (and CoinBr?) does not have a ToS or wording in their legalese saying that their assets are not real.  This exposes you legally in ways you can't even imagine.

Cheers.

Can you guys take this fight somewhere else?
Create you own thread please :)
//DeaDTerra

Sorry 'bout that.    :(

No problems, it was just a bit off topic ^^ :)
//DeaDTerra

I still think you should do a SatoshiDice pass thru on one of the exchanges.  ;)  I want to buy some.  (under 50,000)

25,8637 Bitcoins has been received as a dividend from S.DICE
Giving us a payout of 4.0157*10^-5 Bitcoins per share :)
These Bitcoins will be held by me until I can identify all the GSDPT share holders.
//DeaDTerra

Any word yet?
I've already gotten email about Kraken Pass-thru, hoping Dice is coming up soon.

And I can DEFINITELY tell you how many shares I owned ;D

I have now received the list from Nefario and I will be working towards sending out an email to each investor this weekend :)
//DeaDTerra

Great news.

Thanks for working on this.

Very nice! I hope I'm on that list =)

Did that go out?

If the list is anything like the rest of the old GLBSE operation, I would imagine it's a horrible mess.  ;D

Take your time, and I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say "You've done a great job handling this".

I didn't get anything yet?

Any update, DeadTerra?

I am currently looking for a exchange to move onto, preferable one which allows me to upload the list Nefario gave me so that people can reclaim the shares.
Any suggestions or opinions? :)
//DeaDTerra

BTC-TC apparently has a way to import the lists from GLBSE with little hassle.  I hold both Cognitive and Bakewell shares and it was really easy as a user to claim my shares after they were imported.

I second the BTCT.co option.

I would be very happy to see GSDPT continue on https://btct.co/


I know how btct.co works, because I manage assets at both of Burside's exchanges, (LTC-GOLD (https://www.litecoinglobal.com/security/LTC-GOLD) and BTC-GOLD (https://btct.co/security/BTC-GOLD)) and I highly recommend it.


Here's how it works:

• You sign up, list your asset.
  
• The moderators take a look at your asset contract, your history (from forums, irc, whatever) and then give a YES or NO vote.
• Once you get 5 YES votes, your asset is approved and trading can begin.
• Give you list to burside so it can be imported.
• The exchange automatically creates "claim accounts" and emails everyone who had shares at GLBSE.
• People log in, claim shares, life goes on.

Other benefits of btct.co:

• Speed. Burside developed the exchange with speed in mind and continues in that direction.
• Community Involvement. Burnside is actively involved with the community. He listens to all suggestions and implements the best ones.
• Followed lawyer's advice before creating the exchange. Registered as an actual company in Belize.
• As a asset issuer/manager, you will be emailed all shareholder info (as of right now) at least twice a day. This email includes the email address of all shareholders and how many shares they own--just in case.
• Can easily import the GLBSE list from Nefario. Automatically creates "claim accounts" for all users to log in and claim shares. Unclaimed account will still accrue their fair share of dividends as normal until claimed.
• Burnside is "going easy" on previous GLBSE asset issuers and will refund the asset creation fee. All you have to do is ask. So it's free to move there from GLBSE.

I can recommend BTC-TC too. It is the most advanced exchange at the moment and it is free for exGLBSE issuer.

Hi DeaDTerra,

I recommend BitFunder, I recently relisted ABM there, just upload the AYML file and shareholders can claim their shares.

Greetz

I have been contacted by the BF owner,
I wanted to check what your opinions are off moving GSDPT to BitFunder?
//DeaDTerra

With both platforms having highly questionable TOS (= basically no responsibility for anything) it all boils down to the question of who has the lowest fees.  ;D

Can you please contact all shareholders by e-mail and ask to vote in pool? It would be nice to choose together by voting, which exchange we want to move in.

Are you kidding?
BitFunder barley has TOS:
;D

Lowest fees should never be the main reason. Usability, functionality and trustworthiness are way more important.
Bitfunder has no real TOS, no history and no Contact information.
BTC-TC is a registered company, owned by a well know member of the Bitcoin community and has way more advanced script than Bitfunder.
Just looking at the fees would be foolish.

Hey btcash,

Did you see the 'help' link at the top right of the site?

Yes, fee's alone are never a good thing to go by. You get what you pay for! :)

As for not having a real ToS, when the other sites repeat over and over in a very long method that either a. Nothing on the site is real, and has no value, and they take no responsibility for anything, or B. immediately states that they assume no responsibility or liability for any consequences as a result of using the services, anything beyond those statement is just fluff to re-enforce the original statement in further detail since there are no responsibilities to the users. (That I see anywhere, I could be wrong...)

Cryptostocks is a longer and more detailed version of "We will not, we do not". no where does it state that they "will" do anything.
https://cryptostocks.com/terms (https://cryptostocks.com/terms)

btct.co is no different. Their terms have plenty of "Obligations of BTC-TC Registered Users, Member Companies and Interactions Between Buyers and Sellers"
but there are NO obligations that the site has to the users.
https://btct.co/register (https://btct.co/register) - (I am not sure why the 'Terms of Service' link at the bottom of their site is a /register url.. but that's what works.)

I don't even see a remark that they will make every effort try to do their best. At least I will promise you that! :)
BitFunder also makes all asset information fully public by way of a user specified bitcoin address. You know there is no funny business, extra shares, etc.

If you would feel better for me to write up as many possible detailed methods of explaining various events regarding the usage of the system, and how you are responsible, and the site is not, then I will spend the time to do it. I just feel that "Everything in the room is red" should not need a followup of "The desk is red, the walls are red, the carpet is red." I am seriously not trying to be an ass or sarcastic in _any_ way. I made BitFunder to help the community, and to be what people want. If you say do it, I will.

When I spoke to Terra, he asked me for a copy of my id. I did not hesitate to say no problem. I have a scanned and (very clear) copy ready for him.
I owned and operated my own datacenter of 2,500~7,500 sqft (growth over time) for nearly 8 years. I sold off a few years ago to spend time with my family of now 4 children. The people who took over the company ended up crashing it to the ground attempting to save money. Some of my customers of 8+yrs and even from as recent as before I left came to me directly after that at which I have taken care of them once again for the last year or so. I have hosted http://ozcoin.net (http://ozco.in) a great mining pool ran by Graet for the last year as well.

I currently have 3 corporations setup for WeExchange (an AUD,CAD, USD btc exchange), and working towards getting one of two financial licenses for it to be able to offer debit cards. I am also using those discussions with my consultants currently to try to find a way to better legalize BitFunder, as it is requires very special needs. (Such as being a sudo securities exchange that does not use real currency.) We have decided that just registering a corporation in some other country and claiming the system is for entertainment purposes would not remove the liabilities. If anything, it could make it look worse, as a cover up for citizens to gamble online, and many other things. From what I have read, cyrptostocks is at the same point BitFunder is and are diligently looking for a proper solution as well.

Due to my business history, my personal information is all over the web. If you wish to talk about my credentials further, I invite all of you to IRC where we can get to know each other better. :) I learned a long time ago to avoid forums. I generally have just read posts on here and avoided posting. I am an IRC guy, and have been on the bitcoin channels for a year and half now if not longer. You will notice my forums account was registered on July 20, 2011. I am sure you can understand why someone would want to avoid all the drama and scandals here unless they had a reason to insert them selves into it. ;)

I hope this helps to clarify things! :)

Also, I noticed that you have never posted in the GSDPT thread before, other than to +1 btct. It just made me curious if you happen to own any shares of GSDPT? :)

That's true. As it was not apparent from my previous comment: All of these platforms are equally untrustworthy for me.
(So I'm not descriminating against a particular platform. ;D)

Assuming this, I'd simply go for the one with the lowest fees.

If you are the operator of one of these platforms: Please don't take this personally. I appreciate all business iniatives. But nowadays trust is hard to earn in the Bitcoin community.


Edit: Or, alternatively go for the one with the best liquidity and reasonable fees.

Hey, with everything that has happened over the last two years... I wholeheartedly agree.
That is why I made the the public asset list for people. I want the system to be as transparent as possible so that everyone knows I am doing my best to make sure everything is on the line. I know at least one other person managing an exchange has questioned this, but I can not imagine how everyone knowing things can be a bad thing and never got a reason as to why it was not a good idea other than perhaps they do not understand how bitcoin works.

As for BitFunders fees, from our public F.A.Q. page to the thread for everyone's convenience... ;)

It seemed to me that the consensus of those few of us who posted would prefer BTC-TC.  But I don't really care if you want to put the asset on BitFunder, I'm was mostly just trying to avoid having to manage yet another account for my ex-GLBSE holdings.

I will second that in my opinion Ukyo is a reliable operator.  He hasn't been around as long as an operator, but he has the real-world creds.

I think which exchange comes down to a matter of preference, both BitFunder and BTC-TC have plans in place for avoiding GLBSE like disaster and obviously both have the core functionality of share trading in place.  I'd suggest trying a few trades on both, exploring the interfaces and options, etc.

Competition is a good thing.  Keeps everyone on their toes.  :)


Edit in italics.

Not exactly sure where I have not been around long for :P
I have been around the community for a good year and a half on IRC as I have mentioned before.
And if we are going by forum profiles, seems between us you are a bit younger. ;) I did not see your nickname on Wot, but we can talk about fixing that in private on IRC. :)
However, I don't think any of that is relevant to any of this.


THAT is the first sound reasoning I have heard from anyone on the forums for a reason to pick an exchange! :P

I spoke to terra last night on skype, and we noticed that among the legitimate shareholders casting their votes on what to do with their shares there appeared to be realistic votes for both exchanges. He came up with a brilliant idea that would allow shareholders to use both and make everyone happy. Last I spoke to him, he was waiting to hear from Burnside on the matter. It seems like they may have already talked, or Burnside may already be in favor of such an arrangement.

I really believe there is no need for arguing over when, where, and why, when you can spend that time finding a solution instead! Terra has gone out of his
way to spend a lot of time to be able to provide some quality assets, with little to no thanks or reward and has so far gone above and beyond to come up with a solution for his shareholders that may cause him even more work, but is wanting to do it as it provides a solution to making everyone happy. In my conversations with him over the few days, he has proven to be one of the few people who can look at things from multiple points of view, and try to understand everyone's position and be fair. I have offered him my full faith and trust with my personal information, and anything else within reason should he desire because I have seen that he has proven to be trustworthy through the past, and has kept his word.

+10 DeaDTerra  :D

Doh.  I apologize.  What was your previous forum profile?  (don't have to be public, PM me if willing.  I just didn't realize and now I'm curious.)

I'm not on WoT.  I may setup on it eventually, but I've never really did the research or understood it.  Pirate had a great WoT rating...

Cheers.

Same profile I am using right now.
Date Registered:   July 20, 2011, 11:16:21 PM

And yes, Pirate did, and so do many legit people. Nothing is infallible, but something is better than nothing.  ;)
I would be more than happy to help you get setup with WoT and help you establish some credibility on it. :)
Again, I think this is kind of irrelevant to this thread?
(Unless you are trying to somehow point out to users who is a more trustworthy exchange operator by age or WoT standing? I would like to think this is not the case.)
As I have stated in other threads, we can discuss stuff between us like this elsewhere and not in other peoples faces. :)

Threads go all over the place, it's nothing new.

There was no hidden meaning.

Appreciate the offer for WoT, may take you up on that!

Cheers.

An Email has been sent out to all the share holders :)
Please respond with the exchange off your choice, and guys please bare with me on this one as it may take a bit off time as I am doing all of this manually.
//DeaDTerra

So if I understand correctly, GSDPT will be available on both btct.co and bitfunder? This is pretty cool. It will be interesting to see how closely the prices track each other and how much volume there is on either exchange.

What about dividends, will they be added to the balances of the trading site we decide upon?

Dividends will be paid out once all/a big majority of the shares has been claimed.
//DeaDTerra

Bitfunder needs an WeExchange account if I'm correct, anyone has any experience with them?

The lower fees are the more likely there are to be scammers issuing securities.

Graet's thing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85829.0).

Yes, I signed up about 6 months ago and done a few trades. It is run by Graet in Australia and Ukto in the United States. My experience so far has been good - faster bitcoins than MtGox (based in Australia).

So DeaDTerra, this means the option to exchange the passthrough shares to real S.DICE stock via coinbr.com was silently ignored, without any explanation? You did not even ask me what possible discount/benefits can coinbr provide for the users and just quickly gave in to these who screamed loudest or even offered bribes?
No problem with us, we have no intention to doing business in this typical bitcointalk way. Plus, it leaves us with free hands to provide a plan that will render most of these mpex passthrougs obsolete, should we find out something viable.

It sure is painful to watch how this S.DICE turd slowly melts to a puddle of shit and there is nothing I can do to get out of it... because fkn James can not get his act together fast enough. FUUUUUUCCCCKKK  :'(

James, you owe me 2 ales, not just one,  for all the pain and suffering you have caused me!

Your site is not an exchange but an pass through to MPEX, I am already offering the conversion from GSDPT shares into S.DICE shares. You don't need me to list on your site, for you to take my GSDPT shares and convert them into your own pass through, you could simply accept GSDPT shares and then ask me to convert them into S.DICE shares.
Wow, you took this personal xD, I didn't mean to offend you, I just didn't see our services compatible, but actually as competitors.

Btw, Things will go even slower as I have the winter flue, high fever puking etc.
So I am just going to get some rest for now.
//DeaDTerra

I second that!
The sooner I can dump my shares and find out how much of a loss I'm gonna take, the better!

can you also hold on to my shares for a while to let all this settle?


imho graet knowing ukyo boosts his credibility.

hehe, at least honest.

Well then, and how do I "take" or "accept" the GSDPT shares? I will put a message on coinbr "To claim your GSDPT shares to be converted to S.DICE and added to your account, tell so to deadterra" - is that all? How are we going to process such claims? Was just having irc chat with Ukto and it looks there is going to be some mechanism for moving the reinstated GSDPT shares between bitfunder and btct, maybe it can be extended for this use case, too?

With CoinBr account, you buy/sell directly on MPEx, and even get MPEx-signed receipts for all orders. This is something hardly comparable to existing GBLSE/BTCT/Bitfunder passthroughs - perhaps they should call themselves rather funds backed by one MPEx asset, as they trade on separate exchange completely.  

Indeed I can be competitor, as I have said, but I need not to be. CoinBr codebase allows one to create many wonderful things, for example fund managed automatically by bot and it pains me to see such opportunities completely missed and blindly doing the same as before/as everyone else is doing. Of course, I could do it myself, but I don't want to stretch myself too thin, instead focusing on core business.

I don't have very high meaning of passthroughs as they stand currently. Their business model hinges completely upon high barrier of entry to MPEx, they provide no added value in themselves. Plus they add risk in form of another counterparty (passthrough operator plus another exchange - heck, there will be two of them in this case. The more, the merrier, yeah.)

The problem with using coinbr.com is the monthly account fee. For people with small investments, there is no way that they will earn enough to make the fee worthwhile. For people with large investments, it makes more sense to just open an account directly on MPEx.

Already replied to that, no need to derail this thread again. Please discuss coinbr here. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118551.0) In short - starting with 10BTC investment you can consistently get more in dividends from any stock than pay on coinbr fees. Throw in some rudimentary speculation on price movements, you'll improve even more.

Actually the line was:

Meaning between the exchanges. The users are claiming the shares to which exchange (btct or BitFunder) to claim the shares to.

I did mention that:

So if someone really wanted to, they could act as middleman to let people 'trade' their shares between the two exchanges.

Hope this helps! :)

Thanx for the info.

It's hard to decide with of the two (BitFunder and BTC-TC) is the best. BitFunder has lower trading fee and BTC-TC has more features and more users I think?

You were the one who brought up coinbr. It is pertinent to this thread, since this asset was specifically designed for those people who wanted to put just a small investment into stoshidice, so many of them will fall into that "under 10btc" category.

Honestly, without being biased, I personally think BTC-TC is great. I have mentioned before I even own a few shares of BTC-Global.  ;D
A lot of hard work has been put into it.

To maintain my persistent standing, BitFunder was created for the community and based on suggestions by community members.
Any features within reason will be considered, and most all have been implemented so far. What features are you thinking of?

All that aside, as for picking, I think it really boils down to people just thinking about what they want to DO with the site.
Some people day trade shares of assets, while others just invest and watch dividends come in.
Once you figure that out, you then have to see which one can better meet the requirements.

You can also try forgetting about what the sites CAN do, and make a list of what you want and expect them to do, and then compare that list to each.
If you do not see things that are on your list, be sure to ask each if they will plan to do them, or currently do.

I think having a choice of 2~5 options, is far better than everyone being stuck with the same one. Not just because of 'what might happen in the future', but because each site (I would expect) would have some fundamental differences of how things should work.

Remember, you are the one using the site. Everything should be easy to follow and understand. Some people like simplified easy to use interfaces, while others want to be able to do everything under the sun. If you feel that one confuses you more, try another, :)

Whatever you do, no matter which site you choose, do not forget that they are all supported by the community, and all of them need someone willing to make suggestions, and ask for features! No one promises to do them, but the idea is that if it is reasonable, they will make a best effort at it. Some have their own
reasons in why they do this or that too, and you may or may not agree.

I hope that helps in some way. Good luck!  :D

You are going to make a profit, and the longer you wait, the bigger the profit.  less than 50k shares of S.DICE left before 2nd tier IPO sells out.
2.5M of the IPO sold in the last 48 hours.

Heh, yeah. Take a look at the graph. http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.DICE (http://live.coinbr.com/?mpsic=S.DICE). About to see a nice large spike in value. :)

Lol gotta love this guy's spirits.


I'm curious to see who can actually show having bought S.DICE shares and made a loss. The 2mn sold at 32 are gone, the 5mn sold at 34 are gone, lifetime dividends seem to come out about 10% at the end of this month (and that lifetime starts in August) so it'd seem in the best case scenario you're up 2 + 3.4 over 32 = 16.875% and in the worst case scenario you're up about 10%. In either case you stand to pile another 8% or so on top of that if price actually stabilizes at 37 (the new large bid) rather than 34-ish.

On a related note, MPEx investments were so far the only profitable investments in BTC. The only. S.MPOE GLBSE passthrough closed recently for a whopping 1200% ROI over its lifetime (April to October). Since then S.MPOE climbed something like 80%, not counting dividends paid. S.BVPS opened in the 22 - 25 range, spent most of its life around 30-40 and is now trading at 60, with a lot of buyside pressure. That's another triple your money scenario right there (again not counting dividends, which again were about 10% lifetime).

So, yeah. Quite the night-vs-day difference between GLBSE with 30-40 stocks that all lost money, and that all together traded for a few tens of BTCs over a lifetime and that all together were worth some tens of ks and that all together made some hundreds a month on one hand and MPEx with its close to over 1mn BTC market cap, with its > 100k monthly traded volume and whopping thousands of BTCs to be distributed to investors each and every month. Quite the night-vs-day difference.

The funny part is that there still exist retards who can't quite see the peas on their plate. Props to them, I guess.

Just to nitpick a tad, there were a couple of non-losing assets on GLBSE (like the ones you mentioned, the passthroughs to MPEx). But your overall point is valid, the percentage of losers on GLBSE was high.

I read this on the BitFunder thread:


So the features is coming, what I want most is an good API so that app makers for phones/tablets can start building great apps like the GLBSE app for android.

MPEX has now 2 stocks that get traded :) . Good job ya'll.

"Promoting" your 2 stock wonder, by constantly dissing others, is not how you sell good stuff. This is how you sell crap.
This really good salesman I know, told me that NEVER ever sell your product by talking shit about your competition. Only liars and scumbags do that.
Maybe this is too old-school for you... I do not care.

Look at how btct.co, litecoinglobal.com, bitfunder.com, cryptostocks.com and so on get their clients. Learn something. Evolve, for fuck sake!  :-*

Cheers!

MPEx market cap over 1mn (http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/the-btc-million/). Say it out loud a coupla times, then start learning. Like for instance these people (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130234.msg1404923#msg1404923) quietly are.


I can't actually think of one that did make money, off the top of my head. Which?

Nm, smickles had a trade bot.

I would appreciate it if you moved this argument somewhere else, it's totally off topic.
Thanks
//DeaDTerra

I like MPEX but I'm going to be losing money unless I put in 100+ bitcoins - even if I put it in satoshidice due to the fees.

New (final?) lists from GLBSE were sent out day or so ago. Any plans to re-list the PT in https://btct.co or bitfunder.com?



 

Yes, DeaDTerra is going to re-list the PT on both exchanges. Shareholder's choice. You should have received an email about this.

By the way: DeaDTerra, thank you for doing this.

This is true, it doesn't make sense to get an account if you're going to trade 100 BTC.

On the other hand, one man's losing proposition is another's opportunity, you can start a business as a broker or w/e.

I have received the final list, I will email the people which were not on the last list as well as add them to Bitfunder and BTCT,
Due to holidays, we will probably not be fully up and running on both exchanges, until a couple of days after christmas. Sorry about these delays, but I am swamped at the moment with things to do.

No problems :)
//DeaDTerra

Thank you and enjoy the holidays.
Now you just have to, our planet is still here :)

It looks like this is now up and trading on BitFunder, is the plan still to also have it traded on BTCT.co?

I hope so. I'm having an extreme amount of difficulty with weexchange.go and bitfunder right now. Additionally bitfunder has no support which is reachable from outside the system so if you are having login issues or the verification code they send you doesn't work, you can't contact support.

Strange problems you are having there. Why would the verification code not work? It works when I test it. Have you tried to copy and paste?
What errors are you having with WeExchange specifically? PM me and I will be more than happy to help you out.

Indeed i do :)
I have just been a bit lazy with holidays and stuff so I haven't gotten it running yet.
Sorry about this, it should be up in the next couple of days :)
//DeaDTerra

Lets move this to the BF thread. :)

Looks like over 95% of shares have been claimed now (a quick mental add-up came to about 317k of 322k - which I'm pretty sure is a big majority by any definition).  So will you be paying out the old dividends at same time as December's one?

For the people that chose Bitfunder it should already have been paid as you claimed you shares :)
for BTCTC I will pay it iwth the december dividend yes
//DeaDTerra

Over 95% of the IPO shares have been sold on MPEX now too!   4% left :)

I was referring to 95% of the already sold shares (from GLBSE) having been claimed.  DeadTerra can't sell new shares yet  - until he's paid the dividends he collected whilst GLBSE was down (as those have to go only to the shares sold when the dividends were paid).

There's very little on the market on BitFunder - there WAS a 100k sell order up at .0036 but that got pulled soon after the announcement of the fat dividends for December.  Now there's just a few k up - cheapest were at .0035 last time I looked.

Actually I can, as I have setup with BitFunder so that when the shares are claimed so is the last months dividenend :)
So I can sell new shares on Bitfunder without a problem.
That order was mine :), I pulled it because the volume on the asks on MPEX was low so I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to honor the backing without a lose.
If anyone wants to buy bigger volumes of shares it's best done by contacting me.
Happy new year everyone!
//DeaDTerra

https://btct.co/portfolio:
When our old shares will reach btct.co?

December Statement

The dividend for S.DICE (on MPEX) has now been paid for December. It was by far the best month yet.

Summary:
Earnings:   17,266.45
Hosting/Tech Expenses:   60
Loss Carryover from Nov: 0
   
Net Profit   17206.44888669
10% MPEX Dividend   1720.64488866

Volume over past 30 Days   527,708.52
Actual Profit over past 30 Days  16,632.74
Expected Profit over past 30 Days   10,026.46

Updated P&L: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aiec3-Eo_yO5dG5SQklHZG4wRm1GMW9DRWpMMW5UQkE#gid=7

S.DICE shareholders earned 5.25% dividend yield just in the month of December.

Happy new year everyone!

Yeah, I still don't even see it in the list of securities awaiting approval. Guess I should have gone with the other exchange.

'Tis the season.  I'm willing to bet DeaDTerra's just been busy.

I hope to see it setup soon.  I'm itching for some shares myself.

Yeah, he apparently had no problem getting it set up on bitfunder.

And I got caught wondering why one of my suppliers was closed on both Dec 31st and Jan 1st. "WTF, closed? Oh yeah, some stupid holiday." Same thing happened at Christmas.

What happens with people that owns Gamma SatoshiDice PT shares and haven't received
any email yet? I PM'd you and have no answer. Could you make an aditiona "check" of the
list Nefario sent you?
Thanks

Indeed I have been very busy sorry about that :)
BitFunder Jon basicly fixed it for me and helped me out, that's why it was up quicker ^^
Also for BTCTC I had to fill in massive amounts of info so I have been procrastinating it.
I will get to it soon though.
We are going to resync the claim list tonight and all people who didn't receive and email should receive one soon.
//DeaDTerra

A dividend of 110.82 BTC was paid to 644064 shares.
Making a dividend after the fee of 0.00016346 BTC per share :)
For the people who chose BTCTC it will be held in a offline wallet and for the people who chose BitFunder it will be paid out later tonight.
//DeaDTerra

It was a bit off a communication error between me and Jon, it should be coming out any moment :)
I have paid all the dividends so far, so chill.
//DeaDTerra

Dividends has been paid to the shareholders on BF :)
//DeaDTerra

Also to shareholders that reclaimed after 04.01.2013 like mine?

The dividends are automatically added to your account when you claim on BitFunder  :)
//DeaDTerra

asset has been created on BTCT, I am awaiting approval.
//DeaDTerra

Went to vote and realized you hadn't unlocked it for voting yet.  Assets are created locked, so that you can review things on the contract tab before anyone votes on them.  You can unlock it on the contract tab here:

https://btct.co/security/GSDPT

Cheers.

Ah okay Will do thanks :)
//DeaDTerra

21626 Shares has been released on BitFunder for 0.00449 BTC each :)
They are already backed up by S.DICE shares, so if anyone wants to buy in now is a good time.
//DeaDTerra

My shares are still missing.  :'(
I wrote to James to find out, what happened. As of now, I still have not received any answer.

I have received the complete and final list, and I have synced this to the current list on BitFunder ALL asset holders should have received an email, if you haven't check your spam box.
//DeaDTerra

You should note that under "news" as well on BitFunder for the asset.

It's already 7th January. My BTC-TC account is still empty. What seems to be a problem?

BTCT requires votes. it just recently got its 5th vote.
I voted earlier for it earlier.

Everything is OK now, I went to a wrong address from the menu bar "Claim GLBSE assets" (https://bitfunder.com/claimasset/ )

Correct custom URL is: https://bitfunder.com/claimGSDPT

Got my shares. Thank you.

Thanks for info!

That's great news.  I'll get the import going when I get the list from DeadTerra.

Cheers.

So does it need any more votes, or are you only waiting on the list?  I don't own any LTC-GLOBAL (and I don't even see it on the exchange), so I can't vote.

No, GSDPT does not need anymore votes.

LTC-Global is sold here: https://www.litecoinglobal.com/security/LTC-GLOBAL

Price per share is in Litecoins.

Thanks for the info.

The import is complete.

If you were expecting your shares to be on BTC-TC and did not receive an email, please check your spam folder before PM'ing me for support.

Cheers!

Is there a way to transfer shares bought on BF to BTC-TC?

It would be nice if we could merge accounts on BTC-TC since I now have two ;)

EDIT: Nevermind, I am an idiot.

The short answer is: no.

The long answer is: yes. To do this cleanly, you would have to ask DT to manually remove shares from your account and then the exchange; AND THEN add those shares to another exchange, and then credit them to your other account account.
I don't know all the steps involved, but this is not an easy "cut-n-paste" process.

To be honest, it would be much faster to just sell on one exchange, bring the BTC over and re-buy on the other.

Even though you figured this out, I'm going to answer this question for other people.

I just want to let everyone know that after you log in to the "conversion" account that was automatically created and verify your shares, you can log out and create a new account on btct.co, perhaps with a username that you prefer.

After you create a new account, you can transfer any shares/btc from the "conversion" account to your "real" account for free. Then you can forget about the "conversion" account.

I was hoping there is way to transfer assets like on BTC-TC.

@ DeaDTerra: When will you issue new shares on BTC-TC?

I will once the people who has claimed on BTC-TC has logged in and claimed it so Ican pay the dividend.
//DeaDTerra

I emailed about this a few weeks ago, and sent a PM on these forums yesterday, but haven't heard a response yet.  I figure you are busy and my messages may be lost in the flow, so I'll ask here where it is less likely to get lost.

I have an account on MPEX, and absolutely no interest in signing up for any of these new exchanges.  Can I get shares from my GLBSE claim transferred directly to my MPEX account?

Yea sorry about that :)
I get a lot of emails and pms, so sometimes some of them get lost.
I can transfer your shares into your MPEX account no problems :)
//DeaDTerra

Cool.  How do I go about proving my info to you?

Give me your email and mpex account, if you have already claimed your shares then send them to me then I send you the MPEX shares if not I will just cross you off the claim list.
//DeaDTerra

PM sent.

DeaDTerra,

Once the list you gave to Burnside is "in the system" at btct.co, those "claim accounts" are live and will collect dividends. Even if the claimant hasn't logged in yet.

Once they do log in, even months later, they will see their shares and dividends in that account.

Similar at BF. Where did you get the idea that you can't pay the dividends?

Okay, I was not aware of that system existed on BTCT as well.
The problem is that the list Burnside has is not complete and it won't be until all share holders have chosen which exchange they want to be on.
So what I need is for only new claiming shares to get the dividend while ignoring the shares that I issue, is such a system possible?
//DeaDTerra

Shareholders had enough time to chosen an exchange. Just put all remaining shareholders on BTC-TC.
They can't chose BF anyway since you are issuing new shares at BF.

Actually they can as I have setup on BF that any claimed shares gets the previous dividend when they claim it on the exchange.
Okay, I think I will announce that everyone has 1 week to claim their shares, if they have not then they will be added on BF, so that I can move on and pay out the dividends on BTCT and issue more shares.
//DeaDTerra

My GSDPT shares were not allocated to BTC-TC despite having claimed so (7th of Jan).

In addition on 5th of Jan three identical verification request emails were sent out to me.

This happened although I had completed verification and claim to BTC-TC on 19th of Dec 2012 following the first verification request (17th of Dec).

@DeaDTerra: You've got PM.

To all people freaking out about they not being on BTC-TC yet.
Chill, this is a manual process and I am updating the list as claims come in, I will send in a additional batch of the new claims today once I receive them from Jon.
You will get your shares and you will get your dividend, I promise :)
//DeaDTerra

okay it seems like I have not been clear enough.
If you have not visited https://bitfunder.com/claimGSDPT and claimed your shares then you are not on my list for your shares to be claimed at any exchange.
Please visit https://bitfunder.com/claimGSDPT and claim your shares.
Thank you
//DeaDTerra

http://i50.tinypic.com/w77fm.png


*waits expectantly*

If you have claimed shares while already logged into BitFunder and have not already had them issued to you on either exchange, then you will want to claim again.
There was a bug stopping claim updates on users who were already logged into the system with existing accounts.
If you can open the claims page, and get the claims button, then your claim has not been recorded.

Oh crazy, I didn't realize Ukyo set that up.  Pretty cool actually, but I get now why some ppl are confused.  Not really intuitive to go to one exchange to claim shares on another.  :)  Thank you Carnth, an image is truly worth 1k words here.

Yea, not optimal but the best way we could solve the situation without me having to do it manually xD
//DeaDTerra

When will the transfer process to BTC-TC be completed?
If it's automated I don't understand why it takes so long.

Did you claim btct and not get your shares yet?
If so, pm me your email and I will take a look at things from the list to see what I can do to help out. :)

Hey guys, tomorrow will be the last day for anyone who wants to switch to BTCT to do so and get their dividend without any hassle.
If you claim later then tomorrow and want your dividend then please contact me and I will still honor my agreement.

After the dividend has been paid, I will issue more shares on BTCT similar to what I did on BF :)
//DeaDTerra

Yes I did complete the claim process. Three times actually. Claimed shares to BTC-TC. Got no new information since then.

Sent PM

Just for the record:
1. I did complete the claim process to BTC-TC.
2. I did NOT receive any new information yet.
3. I contacted you and burnside via PM to resolve the problem.
4. Therefore I will not accept any kind of "hassle" for late allocation which is not my fault.

If you have gone through the claim system correctly and followed the simple instructions provided.
Then you are in the system and you will be added to the BTCT list, so that you can claim the shares and the dividend.
//DeaDTerra

In case you can't read:

I DID CLAIM SHARES AND DIVIDEND.

No need to be rude...
I don't appreciate people being rude.
If you read what I said, instead of screaming at me.
If you did in fact claim your shares correctly then you should be fine and in the system before I pay the dividend.
//DeaDTerra

No need to be ignorant...
I don't appreciate people being ignorant.

Did not receive any information (except message on bitfunder website) of "being in the system", whatever "the system" is.

Welcome to my ignore list.
//DeaDTerra

No problem with that.
As long as my shares are correctly allocated. Otherwise -> Scammer tag.

Apparently DeaDTerra is more inclined issuing new shares to maximize his profit than caring about his duties regarding his original shareholders.

I can sell of your shares and take you off the share holders list.
I will fully reimburse you with the current MPEX price per share.
Then you can go and find yourself a new broker, are you okay with that deal?
//DeaDTerra

Yes that's all I want.

Send refund to: *****

I think I already PM'd you my email for verification - if not please request again. Thank you.

Bitcoins sent and you are off the list of share holders.
//DeaDTerra

Received. Thank you.

(Never mind the missing dividend.)

The dividend has been paid on BTCT,
Anyone who claims later on and choses BTCT please contact me for your dividend.
I am now issueing more shares on BTCT.
//DeaDTerra

Thanks. I got mine.

I think that normally goes "fuck you, I got mine".

How many shares will there be available on bitfunder and on btctc ?

If you are looking for big amounts of shares then contact me and I can setup bigger walls.
The thing is that I don't want to put up to big walls in case the price goes up again, because then I have to pay the difference out of my own pocket.
//DeaDTerra

not currently, I am only wondering if one of them will go boink because there are much more shares on the other one.

On MPEx there are 10,000,000 shares. All shares on platforms other than MPEx are derivatives of the MPEx shares. There are 674,520 shares issued on bitfunder.

Depending on supply and demand the price of bitfunder shares could go to any number unless there is a way to convert shares from MPEx to bitfunder and vice versa, and I believe DeaDTerra engages in this service regularly according to demand.

As far as we know PT operators are holding at least an equal amount of shares on MPEx to back the number of shares they've issued on other venues. This happens to be the only correct way to handle passthroughs, as nobody is authorized to issue his own S.DICE shares. Investors concerned with any PT or purported PT holdings should solicit proof, which is not hard to do seeing how MPEx issues GPG-signed account statements on demand.

In principle any op that offers to push the shares on MPEx on demand is by this fact proving that he is operating legitimately (as opposed to...hm, fractional reserve brokering, I guess?).

naked shorting

I can defiantly give a MPEX statement of the current holdings in my account no problems :)
I am not looking to short any shares and I do trade my shares to MPEX shares if requested.
What's the best and easiest way to prove my holdings?
Just a STAT call to MPEX and then copy paste?
//DeaDTerra

I am currently moving around some coins to pay a total dividend off 131.0517 BTC,
Which results in a dividend of 0.00019007 BTC per share :)
The dividend will be paid tonight or early tomorrow.
Happy S.DICE dividend day! xD
//DeaDTerra

Could you change the title of the thread? This is no longer on GLBSE.

Thanks received dividend  :)

Changed :)
//DeaDTerra
No problems, all share holders should have received their dividend now.
//DeaDTerra

If you want to buy large amount of shares 5k+ then please pm me.
I don't want to keep to large walls up due to the volatility of the market, but if you want to buy large amount of shares it can be fixed :)
//DeaDTerra

How do you price them?  Is it essentially a market order here: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.DICE ?

Is there any markup or transaction fees?

(probably good things to have in the OP)

Thanks!

Volatility, oh my ::) Why not just enable users to do arbitrage themselves more easily instead?

You send me the bitcoins you want to purchase shares with,
I purchase the shares and give you the receipt from MPEX with the amount bought.
I then transfer that amount of GSDPT shares to you on the exchange of your choice.
The only fee is any transfer fee which is incurred and my 5% fee on the dividend.

//DeaDTerra

thanks for sheding some light on this.

I have posted two small walls at 0.0076 for 30000 shares on both BTCT and BF,
As the dividend now has been paid and there's a relatively high support for me to buy into :)
So anyone who wants to buy shares can do so now.
//DeaDTerra

how often is the dividend paid ?

The dividend is paid monthly, I pay as soon as I can after Erik pays out the dividend on MPEX :)
//DeaDTerra

Ok thanks

I got the dividend for https://bitfunder.com/asset/G.SDICE - thank you.

Do you sell the shares for mpex price or do add 3% like usual?

I think that's unrelated.

I think this is highly related and relevant.
//DeaDTerra

I have been selling where I consider the price stable, right now there's a big wall at 0.0075.
The reason why I am not having a massive wall at the exact MPEX price is because I don't want the risk of a price increase before I can acquire the backing for the shares.
If you want to purchase big amount of shares then PM me and we can fix something :)
//DeaDTerra

Oh my bad, I somehow read it as BTCT only.

Just wanted to post here to say that DeaDTerra is helping me out with some decent-sized transactions and he has been very helpful and friendly so far.

Can someone point me to an easy explanation of how to set myself up in WOT so I can start my own rep and help DeaDTerra's with a post?  The website is a little cryptic about how to get yourself listed... unless I missed something.

The way I did it was to ask nicely in bitcoin-OTC for some help :)
I am pretty bad with such things otherwise I would help you.
//DeaDTerra

Yes, IRC channel #bitcoin-otc on irc.freenode.net was very helpful for me.  Just got my WoT setup, but now I don't know what to do with -- as it, the only transaction I want to do is buy some SDICE, but I don't know how to use WoT to do so.

I guess I need to go back to #bitcoin-OTC and ask :)

DeadTerra, you run a passthrough too, eh?

Mine was actually the original pass through :)
Done so with both the blessing of Erik Voorhees and Mircea ^^
//DeaDTerra

Please put some more shares up at 0.44 :)

He has to wait for Mircea to manually approve a BTC deposit on MPEX.

If you want to purchase shares from the next tranche of 0.0055 BTC per share tomorrow morning please pm me.
I will setup a wall on MPEX and purchase some shares :)
Best Regards
//DeaDTerra

Two big walls are now up on both exchanges at 0.0056 BTC each. ( a 0.0001 BTC margin for me in case the purchase fails and I have to buy for more expensive shares).
If your purchase is under 50 BTC please buy on the exchanges as it's to much for me to handle with tons of small purchases.
Best Regards
//DeaDTerra

Got it, thanks!

Am I correct that you're selling shares in the pass-through before you own corresponding shares in the actual underlying asset?

If so, isn't that breaking your contract which says "Each GSDPT is backed up by one share of S.DICE share." - as any purchases are NOT backed up, you just hope to be able to back them up later.

Yes as of the moment of purchasing they are not backed by 1 share of S.DICE, but I will purchase 1 share tomorrow.
Right now my share balance is plus 40k shares since I purchase 210k this morning.
I will personally pay any difference that might occur and make sure that at the end of the month the books are balanced so that each share is backed by on S.DICE share.
//DeaDTerra

I don't see the walls up at that price point?

I took the BTCT wall down for the moment as it's manual withdraws and I can't guarantee I will get it out into to purchase the shares. As I have to place the order in a couple of hours before I go to bed.
As for the one on BF, I will refresh it in a moment.
//DeaDTerra

Darn it, just missed it, hopefully it goes back up.

So shares at .0056 are gone on bf?

The walls on both sites sold out ages ago.  From what I saw there was maybe 100k up on BF and 50k on BTCT.  The BTCT one sold out slightly earlier (but was smaller).  I've no way of knowing whether all of the shares sold at that price were actually DT's.

DT has to balance risk/reward.  He's having to break his contract to put up any sort of significant walls at all - and if his bid gets over-bid by 1 million+ shares then he could end up on the line for significant difference to get the naked pass-through shares back to being covered.  As he's only making at most a bit under 2% on the actual sales there's no incentive for him to gamble too wildly trying to meet demand.

This is the reason why I am doing this slowly.
I put in some extra capital yesterday and I bought 240k, so I have now issued more shares at 0.0062 BTC each.
They are up on BTCT and on BF. I will be gone for the next 7-8 hours then I will come back and post another wall.
//DeaDTerra

Okay guys, Get your shares now :)
I will keep reinforcing the walls, for another 4 hours then. I will be sending the Bitcoins of to MPEX for the next tranche (the shares issued are backed by the shares already bought yesterday).
Hopefully we can get a sizable part of the tranche.
//DeaDTerra

1.25mil shares left at 0.0062. Bid walls up on BF and BTCT, buy them while you still can! :)

I am keeping the walls at 0.0062 BTC per share :)
So if anyone wants S.DICE shares nows the time to buy some ^^
//DeaDTerra

DeadTerra, PMd you, lets communicate on skype

Yea sorry, I have been buys ^^ I just got home so ping me on skype
//DeaDTerra

The walls have been bumped up to 0.0069 BTC per share and are 10k Shares on each exchange.
There's not much support left in the ask column so get your shares while you can!
//DeaDTerra

A new wall up at 0.0065 :)
//DeaDTerra

Meanwhile.. MPEx last is at 0.00632330. It's a pretty good idea to buy GSDPT shares when they are trading for around or less the MPEx price, because GSDPT tends to trade higher even through only 95% of the dividends.

Well as I am doing this manually I place the walls where I see enough volume to cover a big amount, while there might be small asks for less then 0.0065 there's not enough for me to put up a wall at that price.
//DeaDTerra

a 30k wall has been placed at 0.00675 :)
//DeaDTerra

Sure :)
Thanks for spreading the word!
Here's a STAT post for you :)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Holdings for DeaDTerra (fingerprint 50D437162E449CAD98B9922AA66A3733FC94B88F)
Issued today, Wednesday the 20th of February 2013 at 06:35:04 PM (0.88600800 136
1385304)
To certify that the aforementioned holds as of the quoted time the following wit
h MPEx :

        CxBTC x 159.97602831
        S.DICE x 1`377`820
        S.MPOE x 150`000
        S.BBET x 26`302

To which add orders in the book fully paid in advance :

        S.DICE : S      41`000  @ 0.00690000BTC (order #6373806)

To which add sums deposited as surety for 4th Friday settled option and future c
ontracts :


To which add sums deposited as surety for underwritten IMM date settled option a
nd future contracts :


Your transactions since 1 hour before your last STAT :
        On Mon, 18 Feb 13 21:10:49 +0000 S.MPOE - 3`220 bought @0.00067884 BTC,
total cost 2.18586480BTC
        On Mon, 18 Feb 13 21:10:49 +0000 S.MPOE - 31`350 bought @0.00067855 BTC,
 total cost 21.27254250BTC
        On Mon, 18 Feb 13 21:10:49 +0000 S.MPOE - 4`218 bought @0.00067854 BTC,
total cost 2.86208172BTC
        On Mon, 18 Feb 13 21:10:49 +0000 S.MPOE - 2`100 bought @0.00067692 BTC,
total cost 1.42153200BTC
        On Mon, 18 Feb 13 21:10:49 +0000 S.MPOE - 16`350 bought @0.00067530 BTC,
 total cost 11.04115500BTC
        On Mon, 18 Feb 13 21:10:49 +0000 S.MPOE - 11`711 bought @0.00067476 BTC,
 total cost 7.90211436BTC
        On Mon, 18 Feb 13 21:10:49 +0000 S.MPOE - 31`051 bought @0.00067437 BTC,
 total cost 20.93986287BTC
        On Mon, 18 Feb 13 21:00:53 +0000 S.DICE - 10`000 sold @0.00690000BTC, to
tal yield 68.86200000BTC
        On Mon, 18 Feb 13 20:59:45 +0000 S.DICE - 5`000 sold @0.00690000BTC, tot
al yield 34.43100000BTC
        On Mon, 18 Feb 13 20:56:58 +0000 S.DICE - 4`000 sold @0.00690000BTC, tot
al yield 27.54480000BTC

You have also been paid dividends, as follows :

The Great Seal of the exchange has been duly applied.
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At the moment I have no backup, I have been working with Jon closely and I trust him.
I have his phone number so in emergencies I can always call him, maybe it's a bit naive though :P
I should probably start asking for weekly backups too keep just in case.
I will talk to Jon and see what we can do :)
//DeaDTerra

Should be easy to script a download of the public ownership page at regular intervals.  I'm actually kind of surprised no one has setup a mirror of that page anywhere yet.

Err, ok, I set one up:  https://btct.co/history-bitfunder/

It'll update every 30 mins.

Cheers.

Ah thanks :D
But it doesn't seem to work, when I click on the link to get the asset history nothing happens.
//DeaDTerra

Does the page load with this link?  https://btct.co/history-bitfunder/2013-02-20-19:34-assetlist.html

As time passes that will become a list of one html page per half hour.

Works ok in FF & Chrome here on my linux desktop.  It's a pure-unadulterated dump, so I'm sure there's all kinds of missing CSS and JS includes.  Maybe some browsers don't like that?

Cheers.

Edit/Add.
Tested in safari on osx.  Good.
Tested in IE 9 on win7.  Bad.  Gives a webpage cannot be displayed.  *shrug*

Yes that link works but the link on the website didn't work :P
I have the latest Chrome.
//DeaDTerra

Ahhh!  Yes.  I'm only mirroring the assetlist page.  That's the page you need if BitFunder ever goes offline.

Cheers.

Ah okay thanks for the help!
Really appreciated :D
//DeaDTerra

DeaDTerra is right. There is a bug in Chrome that parses the link incorrectly.

Take a look at how Chrome is trying to open the link when I hover over (look at the bottom). Chrome adds %3 to the link for some reason. Firefox is fine.


http://i48.tinypic.com/10pamj9.jpg


Maybe it's because there is a colon in the link?

That's a freaky bug.  I fixed it by pre-pending the path to the file in the url.  Go figure...

Also fixed my cron entry.  I fat-fingered the */30 so it wasn't running.  ;)

It's not a bug.  The part before the colon is the protocol specifier, like in "http:..." or "bitcoin:...".  Colon needs to be encoded when it's used in away other than its special role.

If the colon is part of the filename you should URL-encode it - ie. replace all colons with %3A.

Like this:

You could also argue the part before the colon is the hostname of the hostname:port combo.  (when it doesn't see xxx://, doesn't it assume http://?)  I'm still thinking bug, as it was putting a %3 in front of the link... why?  ;)

I went ahead and did the urlencode() on the url anyway.  Should be gtg.

It doesn't need the //, or bitcoin:1address links wouldn't work.

I think it's only interpreted as host:port if it's followed by an @.

The part before the : was being interpreted as the protocol ('http', 'bitcoin', etc) which isn't allowed to start with a digit.  So the digit was being URL encoded.  0 -> %30, 1 -> %31, etc.  So it wasn't putting %3 in front, it was replacing the first digit with its URL encoding...

Ahh!  That makes sense.  Appreciate the clarification!

DeaDTerra,

Burnside, Dooglus and I apologize for hijacking your thread.

Please carry on.

20k wall up at 0.0065 BTC :)
//DeaDTerra

Wall moved to 0.0064 BTC per share :)
//DeaDTerra

Hello!
I will be going away on holiday to Italy,
From Sunday the 24th to Sunday the 3rd.
My internet access will be limited and hence it might take a while for me to answer your pms,posts and emails.
Hence be patient with me,
the best way to contact me is through email at terragubben@gmail.com
I will not be updating the ask walls during this time and any dividend might be a bit delayed,
I have placed some final ask walls and I have balanced the books so that even if all of the asks sell all shares will be backed 1:1.
Best Regards
//DeaDTerra

Dividend is on it's way :)
I am currently sending over the Bitcoins from MPEX to the different exchanges.
The dividend will be 12579 Satoshi per share, for a total off 178.49 BTC
//DeaDTerra

Everyone has their dividends but us :(

MPEX has yet to process my withdraw, after 8 hours of waiting still nothing :(
I am sorry guys, once MPEX pays out I will send it to the exchanges and pay it out asap.
//DeaDTerra

I think mp is doing it now

Seems like it was my fault,
I am going through my logs and seems like the withdraw was actually never submitted lol xD
my bad!
//DeaDTerra

Dividend paid :)
1,016,786 shares were paid ฿0.00012579 each for G.SDICE.
//DeaDTerra

Hey there.

Someone asked me on the btct.co asicminer-pt what happens if I get hit by a bus.  (I have arrangements in place.)  But it made me think about the other assets I hold.  I have a bunch of GSDPT, I'm wondering what happens to the shares if anything happens to you?

Cheers.

Hi :)
I currently have a deadmans switch activated.
If something were to happen to me a email will go out to one of my friends which I trust to liquidate all assets and pay out.
I am also considering placing Jon on this list, as it might be easier for him as he has direct access to the assets.
//DeaDTerra

Sounds good, how would that process work?  Your friend has your MPEx GPG key?  Or knows how to get it?

The way I have done is it I have used a email service which if I don't respond to each week sends out a email to my friend with the instructions on how to download a encrypted file which contains all the necessary files :) and then what to do with those files.
//DeaDTerra

Perfect, thank you!

20k Share walls are up on BTCT and BF :)
//DeaDTerra

Wow, huge spread on mpex..

Yes very big for some reason.
maybe time for some arbing ;)
//DeaDTerra

10k Wall placed at 0.0041 at BTCT and BF.
//DeaDTerra

5000 Share wall placed at 0.0042 at each exchange :)
//DeaDTerra

any idea when dividends are usually paid out?

Monthly

845 Satoshi has been paid per share.
//DeaDTerra

Is this because of the bad luck from the month of March?

Yes I would say so,
S.DICE is a gambling company hence the profit will be random and sporadical.
But they still have a edge which means over time they will in average go with profit.
This month was not as good as the previous once in terms of luck.
//DeaDTerra

Hope that 'man in charge' will check first if You are still alive before dumping shares on the market.
I think the whole procedure should be revised and make public to polish it.

Of course, he will try to contact me and I have several weeks to respond to the emails from the deadmans switch.
He also has my phone number and such so he would call me to check that's going on.
It's all very unlikely to happen.
I would prefer not publishing it online as it might be abused somehow.
//DeaDTerra

Share value is taking a big hit. Sell while you can!   8)

If anyone wants to sell then contact me :)
I am willing to buy some shares at the current low price :P
//DeaDTerra

Is the dividend coming soon?
Its been more than 48hrs since it was paid on mpex.

Currently waiting on the withdraw from mpex.
The dividend should be paid out today.
Sorry for the delay.
//DeaDTerra

Thanks for the quick response DT  :)

Assume you're doing the MPOE (paid out on MPEx a week+ ago) and BBET (paid out on MPEX about 5 days ago) dividends at same time.  Not sure why they have to wait until the S.DICE one though.

Yea I grouped them up, it was not necessary. But I missed that they had been paid out.
//DeaDTerra

Dividend has been paid out!
//DeaDTerra

Hm... Haven't received anything on BTCT yet. Am I missing something?

.b

Same here, and the History page shows the last dividend paid on 2013-04-06.  Perhaps he just paid out BF and BTC-TC will be next.

Still no dividends on btct...

Dividend has been scheduled on BTCT
Should be paid out soon.
//DeaDTerra

Hi guys!
If you have conducted trades or used my PT,
Then please leave a rating with the new forum system or my OTC http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=DeaDTerra
And I will return the favor :)
//DeaDTerra

Since you brought it up...

What's the deal with the forum "Trust System." Everyone I talk to about it doesn't know much about it.
And why do some users give "Trusted feedback" and others give "Untrusted Feedback?"

If you trust a user, then their feedback is "trusted", if you don't and nobody you trust trusts them, then they are "untrusted".

The trust system is new. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.0;all

Trading has been resumed :)
//DeaDTerra

Please check the BTC-TC dividend, thanks DT

Ah thanks ^^
I deposited BTC but never paid it out.
//DeaDTerra

Is this getting paid out soon?  Haven't got my usual email that a dividend has been received.

Right!
My bad, as a sorry gift from me because I keep forgetting I will pay a bit extra :)
//DeaDTerra

Please note that due to my vacation in Spain, the payout and buy back of the S.DICE shares will not happen until the 28th.
I am sorry for this but I do not have my gpg key and such on my laptop they are on a dedicated computer of which I currently do not have access to.
Best Regards
DeaDTerra

When you pay out, are you going to pay out 100% or 95% of the buyback price?

Thanks!

 ???

IMHO should pay 100%; it's not a dividend and 5% from the whole asset value is a bit too much, that's like maybe dividends sum for 2 years.

I don't want to fuck anyone over.
I will see how it is done on MPEX, if it is indeed not a dividend then I won't take anything if it is, I will probably take a small portion and no where near 5% that would be to much.
//DeaDTerra

I don't understand what you are trying to weasel around here. Technically speaking, on MPEx it was paid out as a dividend, split into 28 payments and you can thus claim 5%. But there was a contract on MPEx that got fullfilled and that clearly says this payout is not a dividend regardless of technical means how it was done!

Please do not assume things of which I have not stated :)
I have yet to make a decision on this,
But if it was indeed not a dividend but an actual buy back then I won't take a % as I have said I am not looking to fuck anyone over, the PTs have never been a way for me to make a quick buck but a service to the community.
//DeaDTerra

These are my last PT from you anyway. Keep as much as you want and enjoy in your vacation.

The full amount will be paid out when I get home on the 28th.
As I already said I am sorry for the delay, if Erik would have told me that this was going to happen it could have been avoided.
But it was a very sudden and unexpected event, I thought I was going to be back before the next dividend.
//DeaDTerra

any eta?

Any updates? Its 28th, will you release them soon?

Hey DT, when you do this on btct.co it's cleaner if you can do it as a forced buyback.  (bottom of the trade tab) rather than a dividend.  (history tab)

A forced buyback will suck all the shares back into your account rather than leaving useless shares in everyone's account and more accurately reflects the buyback on MPEx.  ;)

Cheers.

This guy, a few days without the Internet.

I guess us investors have to live with it ~~

highly suggest using your cashouts to buy https://bitfunder.com/asset/ActiveMining and have your investment grow even more :)

friend of mine did, and he has gained 10% already.

Buy back is on it's way,
waiting for the BTC.
//DeaDTerra

good idea ;D

the growth on ActiveMining is amazing!  :o

Just can't wait to see my coins ;D Thank you for doing great job!

You should  all in

you told it to your friend too late then  ;)

Early shareholders already gained more than 200%.

Btw, in the short term activemining are still highly profitable on bitfunder, because they will probably reach the btct price soon.
And in the mid-long term who knows, they can grow a lot

Please have some decency and keep your circlejerking hype of AMC in your own threads.

I cannot agree more, this stock drives the community crazy and some people just cannot handle it. Hey its totally irrelevant to this topic!

SD has been sold; "this topic" is over.  The sole remaining issue is when SD's unlucky investors get paid out.

Discussion of those payments' effect on other securities is perfectly legit.

I love seeing the AMC haters gnash their teeth and seethe with jealousy.

Disclaimer: I own over 50,000 AMC shares and have made over $30,000 in 4 days.

Please hurry up and put your loser money from SD into a fantastic stock like AMC so I may grow even more wealthy.   ;D

Any update on when this is going to happen so we stop asking?

For real? We are waiting!

waiting

This is why I got out of all his passthroughs a long time ago. for someone managing so many peoples money, he goes on more 'vacations' than anyone ive ever seen.

This is fucking ridiculous. Don't tell us the payout's are going out on the 28th and then delay for 2 days... I would have kept more money in ActiveMining if I knew the payout would take this long.

Please explain why you broken your promise and pay out ASAP.

Rich kids don't understand why poor people invest more than they can afford to lose.

Poor people don't understand that rich kids have better things to do than scramble to bail them out of self-created financial crises.

If you give money to someone without bothering to investigate their record, discover previous tardiness, and make an informed evaluation of their reliability, you deserve to lose every satoshi to wiser investors and less foolish speculators.

Please consider a compensation for the late payment.

Beggar.

MPEX withdrawals are processed manually.  They can take a couple of days.

Indeed,
I am currently waiting for the withdraw from MPEX.
I will add a bit of extra BTC as compensation for good manners.
//DeaDTerra

Have you maybe considered that my "vacations" serves other purposes then entertainment? :)
I was not in Spain for enjoyment, I was there for work.
I am doing my best to speed things up but in certain situations there are not much I can do.
//DeaDTerra

Maybe you should urge the withdraw from MPEX

DELETE

Any updates?? when the coins will be released???

So what, Mircea can't spare a few minutes to transfer the funds in 2 whole days because she is too busy trolling on bitcointalk?

Can we get an update please?

+1

Yeah. This isn't looking good for the other Deadterra PTs that I have shares in.

False. One Mircea is a guy. Second he's processing withdrawals no problem. Not sure what's up with DT. He'll probably come around eventually.

It's been 12 days since the forced buyback of S.DICE in BTCT.It's been 2days since your last update.For GOD's sake and for the other PT of you,DO something!At least let us know what's going on!

maybe he's in the French Riviera...

Yeah after this debacle I have absolutely zero faith in anything that DeadTerra manages.

He's creating panic intentionally in order to buy back at lower prices  :) Glad, I sold right after the announcement at 0.0035 and invested elsewhere; already got a bunch of nice dividends from Ukyo  8)

Apparently not.

I am still waiting for the 4500 BTC withdraw from MPEX,
Unfortunately I can't lend 4500 BTC to the investors otherwise I would have.

I will be winding down all my other PTs, as I no longer can ensure regular payments or that I can set off time on a weekly basis.
My time and presence is required sporadically across several countries and time zones. I can hence not ensure that I can payout dividends or complete other tasks within a reason time period while upholding the security measures I would like to keep.
This is something I have been thinking about doing for sometime now, but this issue has made it clearer.
It is time for me to shut down my PTs and step down, there are now several other reliable and trust able PT operators which you can fall back on.
I will still be available if anyone wants my opinion or advice on things, I might also do additional fund raising in the future but more focused on a small group of bigger investors.

Thank you for trusting me with your money and time, I hope that even though the recent fuck ups you appreciate the service I have offered the community for some time now.
Within shortly all PTs will be bought back or the ownership will be transfer to another trusted community member.
Best Regards
//DeaDTerra

Talked to Mircea, some fuck ups done by me.
The withdraw should hit my wallet within an hour Mircea said.
//DeaDTerra

wow, the end of an era... i also thank you for your service and dedication.

...and i know that feel' bro. Sometimes it's just time to move on...

Thank you for the kind words :)
The dividend has now been paid out of BF, the BTC is on it's way to BTCT.
//DeaDTerra