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Someone should make agar.io for bitcoins. Have a low entry fee per game or something, 0.0001 each time you start a new game etc. Take a small rake, make it possible to earn.

Idea: You could have it so the higher you got up the leaderboard the bigger the prize but you only win it if you cash.... then you start over.

The game is pretty simple & awesome imo.

Maybe its already in the making  ;)

but I agree Agar is a great game and should have a BTC version of it. which will be hard to make of course with cheaters and gambling.

Well i hope it is in the making i'd do it myself if i could but its way out of my league to make.

Cheaters is one thing yes but this can be policed like poker to a certain degree. People teaming up is cool and part of the fun, if the games are cheap nobody will worry about teams as long as they can be beaten occasionally.

i used to play this game and i had some places on the leaderboard cant wait for someone to make it with bitcoins

Agar.io is an additive game.
It would be fun if a gambling game can be made based on this.

I have already seen an opersource version of agar, so it should not bet very difficult to make some adaptation to use it with bitcoin

Used to? i wasn't aware it was that old but i haven't been paying much attention, only found it the other day.  How old is it?

Cool dude awesome. Thanks for giving me an idea. I was looking for a new concept and seems I found one. Will code this :)
Thanks again dude :D

please keep me informed about how it goes, also will you do it yourself or you will hire somone?

I don't know why you guys like it so much, I tried it earlier too and tried it just now and I always get eaten by the Huge ass bubbles pretty fast.

Don't even last a minute. :-[

If you played it for 10 hours straight like any normal human being you'd understand better.  ;D

The cool point is when you achieve to be a huge one, imagine that you can be a huge one and also get money playing
It would be awesome

The problem may be that people would create bots to play and win

Interesting idea.  You could just make a feature request in the agario subreddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/agario 

Lol my bad.  :D


Yeah I can see it can be fun once you're big enough to swallow the little ones and make money doing it lol and yeah some people might abuse it with bots.

Yeah i will do but you know what its like trying to ask non bitcoiners to use bitcoin.  Also they might also have concerns about gaming license or gambling laws who knows.  If the game is simple to build or open source it might be best someone in the bitcoin community who knows what they are doing recreated it.  

If nobody builds it i would be interested in teaming up with some people here to make it happen, can be for profit or non profit i dont really care about that as much as making it happen.

Tried playing this on my tablet and the game is hilarious lol 8) Definitely more fun than using a mouse.

What kind of game or gambling on agar.io?? I never see and try it before..
It is fun and profitable??

That's funny, I've been thinking the exact same thing every time I play it.

It is fun,and adictive
But it is not profitable because you don't play with money,you play simply registering a name

Haha cool. Glad to see a well respected member giving the endorsement.


Imagine if you could make profit on it it would be the same awesome game but everything would have even more meaning ;D

I would like to know how do other players grow their cells so big in this game?
I tried this game but was eaten before I become big enough.

If you where for example to bet 0,01 to 0,1 BTC you would be trown in the same room with people with bets like that and after either 10 minutes the one who is the biggest is the winner or you have an option to cashout.

It is a pretty good idea.

Just make sure to have micro stakes, even 0.01 per player could get very costly if you cant ever win, i think there is something like 100+ people per game.

Could do a game via a countdown timer though yeah.... there are a few options and each one would make the games run slightly different.

Okay, someone fill me in here.  What's agar.io.  I understand that it's a game but what kind of game, what's it about?

Go to it, it is a game where you are a circle and you have to eat smaller circles.

I can do that later on another computer.  For now, I'm in text-only forum-talking mode.  Not gonna go to unknown urls using this compu.  Anyway, how does the circle eating smaller circles relate to the BTC or $ or whatever it uses?

I have never heard of Agar.io so I went to check it out
That was fun I enjoyed playing as an Ameoba haha and eating Doge :)

I can see this working if people all started at the same time put a bet on and the winner or top 5 if there are a lot of players got to keep the pooled prize.

Played agar.io and it's fun! But you know there are bots for agar.io right? People are able to program cheats into the game so be careful.

If you want to play it for bitcoins this will not be a game anymore but a competition for greedy people  8)

Wow yeah, I just checked out agar.io and it's actually pretty fun :) That sounds like it'd be a good idea, definitely something that's slightly more unique compared to all the dice sites out there right now...and uniqueness is what we need, right? ;) Hopefully someone who is good enough to code something like that steps up.

I had a thought about this the other day. Almost started working on it!

If you guys think it would be fun and people would play it let me know and i'll whip something up. :)

Just watched a YouTube video and now have some idea what agar.io is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1YGgWTw6aM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1YGgWTw6aM)

If something that is free can ever be made better and more entertaining with a small Bitcoin payment and a chance to win something, it could be revolutionary.

Already, micro-stakes Bitcoin poker is a much better game than play-money poker.  There will eventually be other examples.

When the right combination is found, it will be epoch.  The unwashed masses will be rushing out to find a Bitcoin dealer.  Then the free news coverage will kick in.

oh,yes

I am so addicted to this game and it would be awesome to combine it with bitcoin  ;D

Okay, you guys, I finally went to agar.io and I get a javascript alert "Your browser does not support this game, we recommend you try with Firefox".  But, here's the thing, I *am* using firefox.

Not impressive!

Or actually, we can just create a Bitcoin server for agar.io. That would be even cooler.

Yah, I keep localStorage disabled on firefox (and while I figured that might be the source of the trouble, I thought the "try again with firefox" message was pretty funny).  I tried it again on Chromium and it was pretty damn fun.  I couldn't figure out how everyone else had a cool skin tho.

Also, I would not put bitcoin in that thing, I was terrible!  My best was like 200.

Another way is the higher up the leader board you become the higher the cash prize you can claim.  That will mean you can't get anymore money when you've hit #1 though so hmmmmm.

There is a difference between size and rank though we must consider.  You can be huge and still #2 with #1 chasing you around when even huger.

The ways to score the betting are endless though yep.

I was not aware of this game. Just tried it and it is addictive as hell. My productivity is gone for toss!  :D

Yeah you might aswell say goodbye to your life for the next week.  I actually played this game so hard ive had to quit it cold turkey. 

I would be interested in playing it again for profit but its not good for me to play such a great game, i get nothing else done in life.

On thing which isn't in the current game (that I've seen, anyway) is that you'd need a way to cashout. Once I'd deposited and eaten a bit I might want to jump back out so that I don't (inevitably) get eaten and lose my money to the bigger blob.  But if people were able to cashout like this, it might mean that you'd have so many fewer blobs that the game might lose a lot of its fun.  I dunno.

Make the game bigger then it wouldnt matter so much, i think currently there is like 100 people per game.  Should imagine they will update this and make it bigger.  If i play now i've already mastered it, i usually get to #1 rank within an hour now most times.  Teams mode is a different story as depends who you are playing with.

how are you going to include betting to this? or are you thinking to put ads on the web and make it as a faucet out of satoshis?

I completly love this, i promise to play if its made! Gaming with real money is the future  ;D .

But I don't know how might this work,
You could go out the game and cash out in any moment? every point would have a value in bitcoin?

I guess it's comparable to poker: you could have ring games, a tournament schedule, and sit-n-go games.

The ring game is where you can buy in at any point, and it costs a fixed amount for your basic tiny starting blob, and you can 'cash out' (self-destruct) whenever you like, and get paid according to how much you've grown. Maybe the self-destruct takes 60 seconds to activate, so you can't do it just as you're about to be eaten.

Tournaments would have a fixed duration. The biggest N blobs at the end of the game get paid out. Or make it last-man-standing, where you get paid according to your placement. Maybe you have the supply of 'dots' in the game gradually diminish, so the game can't go on forever. Eventually everyone will starve to death, but the last one standing wins.

Then you can add 'bounties', 're-buys', etc. Lots of the ideas you see on poker sites seem to carry over pretty well.

I can and will do this, i really like the idea behind it.

Nice inspiration, very addictive game :D

You'll see that game soon on here ;)

Agar can't be turned into a skill based gambling game. The major issue is bots/hackers.

Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j13H5Pgx7mk

If anyone has a smart solution to this, our team would like to make a polished group skill based game.

Put agar.io in a custom bootable linux operating system that won't let anything else run with it.

So i'm making this a reality.. fixed up an old PC from the basement that should be able to handle a decent amount of users.
Put ubuntu on it and got an identical agar.io clone running smoothly locally. Now I have to incorporate btc and a payment system.

Bought the domain BtcBlobs.com for future reference. Will keep you guys posted on my progress.  ;D

http://crimedice.mybluemix.net/

that source is public, you could add a time based round system, every player has to deposit like 0.001 to join one round, the winner gets like 99% with 1% house edge.
Maybe ill play around with this today :) very addictive game

nice idea but it is very laggy, i recommend a new host

I have just tried agar.io out, it's very fun. Maybe in the bitcoin version luck and skill could be balanced so that a new player has a chance of winning against a pro but the pro has slightly higher odds(like in poker). The thing is that if you have an entrance fee there might be no or only one player playing at times which would enable that player to simply "level up", wait for someone to join and just eat them instantly. The general idea is cool but the bitcoin game would have to be very well thought through and a bit different than the original version.

Maybe you could play in teams(you can't eat your teammates) to solve the bot problem. Since bots are very predictable you could trap them and eat them. Overall there would be a lot more strategy involved if you're playing in teams.

fwiw in that example that person could have been killed when playing as the bot - at least twice it moved him too close to other blobs.  I would have to test it out fully but it seems like it was only helpful to pick up food when no other blobs were around you.  I've got pretty sick at this game and that bot wouldnt help me.  

I guess the example was showing what is possible? If the bots could be made to a much higher standard they might help.  The game is pretty complex though no? seems like it would be hard to make automated bots which were impossible to beat.  

A bot with just a guideline of who can kill you from what distance would be an advantage, but you'd still need to be in control - maybe this is similar to pokertracker when playing poker.

Would be cool if the primedice team did this game though then you know its going to be done right :)

Does anyone have a video example of any other bots?


Edit: So yeah i think that bot does show a kill range or ive now seen another that does.  Its not a problem to creating a skill gambling game of this.  The biggest variable is still human skill/incompetence from what im seeing.

When you get to a high rank the things which normally kill you are seperating at the wrong time/getting eaten by a bigger ball/getting hit by a virus (those green spikey things).  Automated bot wont stop you dying.

If you charge per go people must play decent each go. (cant leave automated bot on and only take over when its done well etc)

For the ring game idea, it is likely that some users will just buy in, eat some food cells, quit (after 60s) and repeat the process over and over, especially with the help of some bots like the one in Stunna's post.

The tournament idea sounds great, but would the small blobs be cooperating at the very last moment to create a big one and share the pot? It would ruin the game then.

You could adjust the parameters to suit each game varient.  For the ring game idea you make it so blob size must be say 250+ or 500+ before any cash out is possible.  The operators would have to keep a close eye on things and adapt many rules when it first started.  People playing this for money would make the games play different.

Again make it with the tournament idea so "cheating" doesn't really profit - many ways to adjust payouts/rules.  People making teams/alliances in individual games is very fun so would be good to keep it that way but just make it so everyone can potentailly be beat.

Something i notice on the team version of agar is once a colour establish a huge lead they are very difficult to overcome, infact if the team with the huge lead play even somewhat close to optimum  i would say they are impossible to overcome, that should change.

Okay, I got sucked in and lost like 4 hours of my day the other day to this game.  I got to like 3rd at one point and oh my god.

But one thing I couldn't really figure out was how there doesn't end up being one blob that eats like the whole game.  Since I never got to 1st, I don't know, but how is it that one blob doesn't get to 1st and then become unbeatable and basically own the board?  Maybe it's because eventually one of those green things will appear in your stomach and burst you?

The are a few things which keep the big cells in check:

Every blob loses a small percentage of its mass each second. This becomes significant for large blobs.

The bigger you get, the slower you travel.

If you 'feed' a virus 8 (?) times, it will spit out a new virus. Small players can take advantage of this to shoot a new virus into you, blowing you into small pieces which they (or a friend) proceeds to eat.

I didn't realize about the shrinking---I figured that's the most logical way to keep the big guys from ruling forever, but I hadn't noticed the shrinking in playing.  I definitely didn't realize about the feeding a virus 8 times thing.  I saw the "spit out some mass" instruction but didn't know why it would be useful.  What a fun game anyway, I had a blast with it.

There must be somewhere that people are talking about tricks and strategies and whanot.

If you click the gear icon, you can set some flags. One is 'show mass' which makes the client display your 'mass'. That way it's easier to see how you shrink over time, especially once your mass is a few hundred.

The 'w' key is useful to lighten yourself if you need to move faster to escape capture, and also to feed friends.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Agario/ is quite active.

I don't know how I missed this thread before but ... Yeah and it's going to be made seems like => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1089536.msg11613163 , I gave that guy the link to the Agar.io source code (a clone not the real version) and now he is looking for developpers to make it with Bitcoins just like you said  :P

There are plenty of tips and tricks on youtube, i might put up one myself but i really should stop playing this game until its for real money. ;D


Cool, looks like the budget seems low though? not that i have much experience.   Hope it works out.

Now kids will bet with BTC because of this game. :P

Just like taking candy from a baby  ;D i will take all their dinner money like a playground bully MUHAHAHAHA

Same here as well, would love to give fees for playing if only I could get that feel of winning btcs just by playing a simple(hard and addictive) game xD. Someone make this fast.

It would be really cool if something like that was implemented and anyone could create a room where other people can come but have to pay the fee the owner of the room makes, say i want to make a room with 0.001 fee and the winner gets everything, maybe let everyone have more than 1 life, maybe 2 or 3, anyhow this is a really cool idea.

I can forsee that a few 'experts' will dominate the game and take away btc from everyone else.

The concept of peer game betting is almost like Poker I guess. If someone make this game for bitcoin , you can market it like poker which has some GTD room and also freerolls. Much better is that the site owner could get a profit from people purchasing an extra life , extra life will keep your blob to not lose its mass

We looked into this as well the problem is making it provably fair when skill based games are clearly not. It is great for pvp based betting but then all the highly skilled players just destroy the newbies usually turning them away from the game. For us it was one of those "We would love to make this, but in time who will really play when it is dominated by those with god-like skill and/or extreme bots?" Making a game provably fair often takes some or much of the fun factor away from gaming, it is one of those deals where fairness and skill do not intertwine very well or easily.

Yes but like poker right, the players at the very top of the game are basically unbeatable, they dont play against eachother without a fish in the game to feed off of.


Let look at 2 things seperate a minute:

God like skill is great for the games and will attract even more players.  All other games where humans can show a great deal of skill works out very well.

Bots may or may not be a problem, i've still yet to see any bots for this game which are any good.  Please link them up anyone.

I think the game is mabye too complex for someone with a bot to dominate and be unbeatable (maybe thats just atm).  They said that bots would dominate NL poker and 10 years later the games still run and bots cant dominate in the NL format since its still too complex.  Software in poker can give an advantage.

To give a practical example how would you code a bot to auto dodge a virus being shot at them in this game?

Guys! I'm almost finished with my version of this.
I'll make a thread about it when i'm ready to launch.

Right now its setup like this...
[1] Generate unique BTC address for users to send to
[2] Click the "Play with BTC" button and there is a client + server side check to make sure the required amount of btc has been deposited in the address
[3] If the check passes then put the user in the game.

This is all I have so far, so the next thing is to keep track of the user's kills and process their withdraws.

This is what i'm thinking:
It costs 0.001 BTC to enter the game. (~$0.25)
When you eat another player you gain their 0.001 BTC buy-in AND 50% of the kills they earned.
When you want to withdraw you must be in the top 10 players AND after requesting a withdraw you have to stay alive for 30 seconds. (to prevent frequent combat logging)

So if you are in the game and eat 10 people you could potentially earn... 0.01 BTC - 0.03 BTC+ or higher depending on their kills.
However, if you die you walk away with nothing.

Here's a little more info..
I'm running the server on a pc that i revived from my basement (not too bad).
It'll be hosted out of west coast Canada.
If I start earning decent money with this I will look into hosting in other areas and upgrading my internet speed to improve your user experience.

I think I want to add some type of in-game chat system to keep everything a little more lively.
The source code I used for this is basically an exact replica of the original game.

If anyone wants custom skins in the game LMK!

I like Agar.io and I was hoenstlu suprised that someone here alredy thought of bitcoin version of that game. It is very interesting news.
So you want to profit from this, but from what I could see you won't take fees from the players. How do you want earn? Ads revenue?
Will there be a testing mode where you can play without entry fee?

I will profit from the game. No straight fees but rather I will earn from the death of the players.
When you kill someone you earn their 0.001 BTC fee + 50% of their kills.
The other 50% of the their kills will be lost and go to me.

So, if you kill someone that has 4 kills, you earn...

- their 0.001 entry fee
- 0.002 (50% of their kills)

That other 0.002 will go to me, partially to help improve the stability and performance of the servers.
Its not a straight out % fee, but I think it'll be better this way. I don't think it will be worthwhile to put ads on the site so i'm not going to bother.

But agar.io's base unit doesn't seem to be "kills" but mass.  In your system, killing a fresh guy who just bought in is worth as much as a giant.  And not all giants got big from kills.  You can get reasonbly large from consuming the food the appears. I really think you want to consider kills to be an artifact and consider mass as the real unit for calculation.

Something i was thinking about IF.... bots became a huge problem in the future (im still not sure) then you could just not allow instant cash out and review some actions.  Obviously the site would have to become popular to justify time and enery policing games and to even have a review feature.  Again with poker, you dont get instant cash outs (on fiat sites at least) and actions can be reviewed. 

Certain bots/software could be ok and others not. We just need a game where skill is the #1 weapon, doesnt have to be perfect.

Go to www.agar.io and after the page loads completply type the following into your URL field (manually): javascript:connect("ws://194.63.143.136:443") and press enter, then choose a nickname.

This is our Free for All Server

You can also deposit some satoshis here 13aNcbUNCCGxGWkyvnH11H6b4KyxLjNHVN

if this wallet balance reaches 0.1 BTC i will launch a Fresh Agar gameserver and after 24h, the first 3 people in leaderboard get prices :)

1# will get 0.05 BTC
2# will get 0.03 BTC
3# will get 0.01 BTC

it's normal thing , in many games skills play part of the game
in agar yes maybe it's all about being good at the game without luck involved
but there are many players and ready to compete with others even if they are not very good at the game
and you can see here a lot of people are interested in this game and they will for sure throw some coins
by the way I suck at agar but I find this idea of making it as a gambling platform really great and unique  ;D

Love the idea, definitely something I would play tons! The gambling aspect can make a lot of great games even more fun, if there are proper anti-cheat measures taken.

This is a good point to consider.  Rewarding kills will make the game play differently for sure but that might not be a bad thing, who knows until we see it in action.   It wont be worth killing anyone blob who is small (not with 4 kills) in this version appart from making yourself bigger in mass to kill other bigger blobs, maybe that could help stop super teams dominating and not even letting the little guys get going.

Again you could always have options to play either a mass rewarding game or the kill rewarding game.  I'm really happy if anyone is making any version so we can make suggestions after its up.

Make it possible for skilled players to be +ev with a fair fees and there is tons of money for the right developers to make here.  

Looks like someone started working on it after all:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1102055.0

I clicked "spectate" and there's only a timer on the top. Is there nobody playing?

Looks like you guys basically achieved what was in the OP.

I think you ought to put some kinda very cheap faucet for the first two weeks or something like that.  Otherwise you might find that no one is willing to be the first to put their money on the line.  I thought about buying in with a small amount to play a little bit, but there was no one in the main room to play against.

Good luck!  I'll be keeping an eye on this, I love agar.

Yeah, at the moment there's nobody. That's the problem with PvP games, usually there's not many people online to play against.

I support tspacepilot's suggestion, a faucet would let us test the site out, and bring new users in.

I suggest making a ping limit for servers, so people with insanely high ping can't play against people who have lower ping.

Do you guys feature any sort of cheat protection? Unfortunately I haven't tried the site out myself yet, but if it is a clone of agar.io, there are many bots out there that basically run an algorithm to automatically play the game for the player. If there is no defense to such abuse, you could expect many cheaters to take advantage of legitimate players.

Interesting maybe you could add the pvp of agar.io like get shit stolen idk there is a lot you can do its been adapted to so many things from restraints to car purchases to drugs ;D

I tried your site. Your site might be abused by bots, haven't tried a bot yet but maybe will try one soon. Also your site needs a Ddos attack protection. Use cloudflare for that.

I've played a few rounds, and there doesn't seem to be any cheaters yet, but if there are cheaters they are doing it very subtly. Cheating doesn't seem to be that big of a problem yet, but I agree that there should be some cheat protection implemented.