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Gavin had just received the alert keys to the Bitcoin network. Right afterwards, he tells Satoshi that he is visiting the CIA. Satoshi leaves for good coincidentally.

This is quoted from the defunct Bruce Wagner Bitcoin podcast:

Bruce Wagner : When was the last time you chatted to satoshi <laugh>
Gavin Andresen: Um... I haven't had email from satoshi in a couple months actually. The last email I sent him I actually told him I was going to talk at the CIA. So it's possible , that.... that may have um had something to with his deciding


Based on this, do you think Gavin fully meets Satoshi's vision for Bitcoin?

Also, it seems Satoshi had something for online wallets. Something Gavin isn't really excited about.

Those were very different times.

What he should have said was, "a while later, a few coins show up in Tom's account".

WTF are you talking about?!  Nobody knows who Satoshi is.  People don't just talk to him.  There are no secret "alert keys" to the protocol, it's borderline open source so someone would see them.  Drunk post?  Btw I think your cat wants you...

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p227/wizzerd911/wKJ8SHBlQkKeHYmCLlxyyg2.jpg

P.S. clearly, as his avatar suggests, Gavin is the british guy from The Daily Show with John Stewart.

Satoshi made the majority of the code. Satoshi made 90% of Bitcoin. There are alert keys. Many people here will testify towards that. They are in the code.

The "alert keys" he refers to are part of the "signaling mechanism" in the official client. I don't know the exact details but I suspect that the client holds the public key, and if it sees a valid message properly signed (by the private key, or the "alert key") then it will take some action like inform the user that there's a new version, or inform the user there's been a security breach and they need to update as soon as possible.

This would be part of the peer to peer overlay and not part of the blockchain. You can find this public key in the source code of the official client if you look.

Yes, it is there so that if at any time Satoshi decides Gavin should be deposed, he can send an alert to everyone's clients telling them it is time for Gavin to step down.

Lemme just check,,, uh, no, no such message yet, guess Gavin has some use left in him yet...

:)

-MarkM-

I also think online wallets is the way to go if bitcoin hope to gain any popularity among the non-tech people, though definitely not mybitcoin.com type, more of a blockchain.info type. The desktop client has its purposes,
but it'll probably never be properly secured and made usable by a non-tech person. So in that sense, an
online wallet is actually more secure, since security is taken care of by a trusted pro.

People are very angered by this reality. I am as well. If ignoring me makes you feel better, I encourage you to hit that button.

The fact is I want Satoshi back. He made this thing and I want him to represent it.

I like the theory that Satoshi is actually a group of people working for a shadowy organization wanting plausible deniability. It is possible that Gavin went to the CIA to meet Satoshi,  but is not allowed to talk about it.

Link to source/timestamp?

I'd love to hear this part, but not enough to listen through Bruce Wagner's podcast.

http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/onlyonetv.com-bitcoin-show/id464967190

It should be around 17:53. First episode.

why the rant? just do something productive and start your own client / alternacoin...

There is nothing to be done. That's the point. Bitcoin is fine as it is but there are those out there who want change it and accelerate nature. I am against change without clear and comprehensive oversight.

I don't want control. That is the very thing I am against. I just want Bitcoin to be a stable platform without anyone changing it on a whim.

It could very well be that the stable Bitcoin I want is still here but I fear powers will attempt to do otherwise. And that they will do it through their veil and clout of legitimacy.

Oh god here goes atlas shrugging the dung off his shoulder again. Need some sort of a breathalizer test for his keyboard.

Atlas, I support u.

Don't pay attention to all these men with no balls who prefer to lick asses of "The Bitcoin Foundation" founders.

Someone should ask Gavin why Satoshi became anonymous. If the answer isn't because of fear from power, Atlas is right in that Gavin does not have the same "vision" of what bitcoin is that Satoshi does.

Satoshi has gooooood reason to be anonymous. He makes a lot of powerful farmers lose a lot of influence over their herd of fat milky sheeple. Sheeple milk is the best kind of milk. Baaahhh.

Satoshi didn't "become" anonymous - he was always anonymous. 

Satoshi's vision of Bitcoin is a simple one.  The role of the devs has been to develop the official client in accordance with that vision - nothing more and nothing less.

http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

Most of bitcoiners don't audit changes in the most popular client. Even if someone finds a backdoor and announces here, most of bitcoiners won't pay attention, they'll be listening to "The Bitcoin Foundation". That's why involvement of Gavin into "TBF" is very dangerous.

+1

This is not about theoretical possibilities - it's about the factual centralization of power to shape the future of Bitcoin.

I don't know why so many people here do not see the danger.

This.

(at above poster: I stole your sig :) )

The same.

You're welcome.  :)

Let's show at least the new members that not all people here are worshipping the same gods.

Bitcoin is not a institution/corporation/old pal's club!

Frankly, I don't either.  I'd like to think that many of the early adopters are just hopelessly naive.  I can understand that many are blinded by greed.  But, at this point,  this constant seeking of approval and official recognition for Bitcoin can only be described as willful ignorance.  Only a handful remain in any position of authority who seem to have a serious grasp of the legal and philosophical issues surrounding Bitcoin, at least to the extent that Satoshi clearly did.

As for this forum, well, there are a few trolls here;  not as many as there once were, but a few.

But, for others, who knows.  It's been clear to me for almost a year now that the developers have, at the very least, been threatened over their role in Bitcoin.  Now, with "legitimate" businesses waving around the potential of millions of dollars in funding, we see a carrot as well.  I was holding out some hope that such crude tactics would not be effective.  But, I must admit, it is waning.

Why should ne harm the bitcoin project? Why should the bitcoin foundation be somehow corrupted? Sorry but I don't get it.

He is a human.

Ok, but how should he profit? What are you afraid of?
Unfixed exploits?

I'm totally failing to see the point this thread tries to make.

The amount of tinfoilhat-wearers in this forum is too damn high.

I'm affraid that he will put a code that let CIA to track every satoshi sent thru Bitcoin network. I bet in a few months "TBF" will announce that they issue trust certificates for merchants using Bitcoin or something similar.

Every transaction is stored in the blockchain. Once CIA manage to connect ur address with ur real identity - u'll be on their hook.

The amount of asslickers as well.

Mt Gox already does this.

Aye. That's why I trade using 10 mtgox accounts, so it looks like 10 different ppl operate with small amounts.

blockchain.info is a CIA front

Thats why I have 0 Mt Gox accounts :P

It would not take much to turn bitcoin into the greatest honey-pot ever devised ... particularly if the eaves-dropping party had db's of large portions of users other Internet traffic to correlated with bitcoin traffic.

The resistance to strong anonymity being developed at the protocol level has always bothered me, saying that, it is a tough problem though.

There arent many core bitcoin devs who are anarchists  :)

Just wanted to say the same.  ;D

It is plain dumb to ignore the abusive potential that comes from a minority-controlled central entity that proclaims to push Bitcoin forward by openly admitting that Bitcoin is safer when it adheres to the principles of governmental regulation. Even if we assume that the members of The Bitcoin Foundation-club do not originally intent such, they serve as a perfect gateway for authoritarian control of the Bitcoin project.

In addition I have a bad feeling about the way they present themselves at their club - like heros from the corporate headquarter. I know a lot of successful projects where the founders do not engage in such a personality cult.

If moralfags like Luke-Jr wouldnt kill it with 51% attacks an anarcoin would be good.

I think a potential danger is from politics, any kind of organization is facing this problem after the technology has reached certain level of complexity. Keep the client/protocol simple and stable is very important

In some ways, I can understand and agree what the OP is saying. But the bottom line is Satoshi took off and he left his project to the group. If he truly wanted his vision reached then his ass should have stuck around. As much as I would like to see the original "founder" here to keep us on track with his vision, we are stuck with Gavins vision. Hopefully it remains healthy for us all!

Well if the are going to leave Satoshi the founding seat on The Foundation board so could always just show up long enough to dissolve TBF out of existence and then disappear again .... just for laughs.

Hey I just noticed TBF is only a T away from being TBTF (too big too fail)

Some of you are sincere morons.  So not only is every government everywhere and everyone in power out to get everyone else but the developers of bitcoin are out to get you too.  I bet big media is out to get you too (well okay, it is, lol). Who isn't out to get you or an evil conspiracy leader?

For all the dumbass conspiracy nuts, here, let me explain you to you.  You're obsessed with the feeling of superiority over others by knowing something they don't or being able to figure something out that they couldn't.  Because of that, you see conspiracies everywhere and no matter what, the majority is ALWAYS wrong and you're ALWAYS right because that makes you feel special.  Take a pill and get off the forums, you fucktard wastes of space.

For the record, we need a limited amount of centralization to get bitcoin running and popularize it.  Without that it'd be chaos.  As soon as the system is widespread enough to not benefit from basically 1 giant controlling party, it will grow way out of their control regardless.  So no worries.

Constructive! Does it include yourself? Or do you consider yourself to be superior over others?


Ah, glad you know the psychological phenomenon you are suffering from :P


For the record, no we don't.

But if he never comes back, or is dead already, bitcoin has done well on its own. The power
is in the idea, which has taken off.


Bitcoin is following the "rules":

http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2011/11/bitcoin.html

Isn't that what the Foundation is there to provide?

-MarkM-

The idea of a few people "representing" millions of other people is bogus and just leads to bad outcomes.

Hee hee the old Democracy versus Republic debate. (Assuming by republic we mean voting for reps not on issues and by democracy we mean voting on actual issues, that is.)

-MarkM-

That's pretty much what I do with PPCoin since I can't figure out the command-line client for spit.

Be careful what you wish for. If Satoshi returns, you might find his decisions to be worse than Gavin's. I know I disagreed with him on some things.

I thought you were against having a single person, or small elitist group, representing and acting as an authority over Bitcoin and OUR money?    :D

I think it would be somewhat detrimental for Satoshi to 'return' and influence Bitcoin.
The fact that it is completely and utterly irrelevant 'who created bitcoin' is a major psychological selling point, which his/her/their return - would potentially compromise.
(Due to, for example, the excessive ability to influence/veto/override decisions by taking advantage of fawning religious-like admiration from the likes of Atlas - though hopefully the community as a whole is smarter than that)

I often say things to the effect - that it wouldn't matter if Bitcoin was created by the CIA, Mossad, Al-Qaeda or Batman.

Ding Dong Satoshi's dead!  (or preferably, enjoying well-earned hookers n blow - yay!)

Shouldn't be hard to tell.. How many of the first 1M coins have moved? And did any of them go to 1Dky? lol

*ignores trolls*
I actually wasn't around the forums and stuff for several months and now I come back and I sincerely have no clue what the Bitcoin Foundation is :P is that a good enough sign? lol.  What do they do, donate bitcoins to orphans? :P

There is nothing in this world that isn't compromisable, this is just something you have to come to terms with. Bitcoin won't be around forever, but it's working great at the moment.

Dear CIA! My Bitcoin address is 1Aiq9FYv12GQjM9LeBHoNq9c3FfFaA4GTA please send few bitcoins to poor hacker and terrorist living in third world country so I can purchase drugs and maybe some explosives with these bitcoins.

You probably know that the bitcoin address can be generated easily and it can be linked to other random addresses when making transaction. Hope this will help CIA to determine if the transaction is going to payment for weapons or I'm just bored and play with instawallet or some other mixing service.

Please also send me few pictures of naked Obama next to F-19 Aurora.

Bumping a 4 y old topic as an excuse of parroting fags reporting dead cringe shit in newly created reddit thread. Seriously, who gives a fuck about andresen's involement when everyone knows he had met with cia before btc became what its now yet nobody has cared to revoke his access to github repo for a long while Satoshi must be kleiman and deceased from an uncurable disease lying onto a lump of fecali and old stuff sprinkled by his urine why would a deadman care about someone he gave keys long before andresen made it out of his infancy as a core contrbutor

If you believe the entire episode with Craig Wright is a huge FARCE, as I do, then there is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever that Satoshi is dead. Satoshi remains anonymous. Thank you for creating Bitcoin Satoshi.

BJ

Their = Mark Karpelès and Tom Williams (respectively).

                               
I like this quote best:  |
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"Be careful what you wish for. If Satoshi returns, you might find his decisions to be worse than Gavin's. I know I disagreed with him on some things."


Citation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113609.msg1228616#msg1228616

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> And what am I paying for...to protect the status quo. I believe that
> there is more than enough help for ppl available. They just need to
> get off their butts and work.

Do we really need your amatuer political views?

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 sometimes sleep,  his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who 
 torment us for own good  will torment us  without end,  for they do so with
 the approval of their own conscience."    -   C.S. Lewis, _God in the Dock_
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Where the hell would he have dumped in 2010 and do you really think the creator of bitcoin itself is gonna throw it all away for what woulda been a few thousand dollars?

When the OP says "dumped Bitcoin", he means "no longer contributes to the project", not "sells all his coins"...

Why GA was contacted by the CIA (In-Q Tel) for BTC at the time ? He wasn't the best expert for BTC.
Even if he was one of the referents of Bitcoin, why him?
If he was so important in the BTC universe, how could he be sidelined?

I really do not understand the link between Satoshi account "death" and GA met the CIA. SN have the power to kill BTC. BTC was already in the bad hands.