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Title: . Post by: senbonzakura on September 29, 2012, 02:01:42 PM .
Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: dancupid on September 29, 2012, 02:29:33 PM And after that? Why did they stop?
Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: Akka on September 29, 2012, 02:32:26 PM That where smart people which invented all this. But I don't see any link to the religion there. They would have had the same intelligence if they where born under any other religion.
I wouldn't credit any success of a civilisation or any failure to the particular religion they believe in. History has proofed enough that civilisations can flourish and can collapse no matter in which specific religion the majority of their citizens belief. Neither would I credit it to Islam that most Islamic countries are currently oppressive regimes (that are just their leaders using Islam as an excuse, any other religion would work the same), nor would I credit it to Christianity that many Christian countrys are more or less free. Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: dancupid on September 29, 2012, 03:06:10 PM And after that? Why did they stop? well after that , colonization and then dictatorships supported by the west and muslims fighting each other There were 400 years or so of intense activity in the arts, mathematics and science. The Islamic world was at it's cultural height and had overtaken everyone else - if Muslims had managed to unify it would have been hard for anyone to stop them. Mohammed (PBUH) unified a vast, disparate group of people in a very short amount of time (making him arguably the most important person in the world history) - it's difficult to understand what changed a few hundred years later. Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: Blind on September 29, 2012, 03:08:38 PM Muslims also invented Honor Killing, and highly entertaining act of stoning. Now we're waiting for Muslims to invent women rights.
Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: BitcoinINV on September 29, 2012, 03:17:51 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMon04ie2pE The early Muslims are credited with inventing distillation and could distill just about anything - from alcohol to perfume. Hygiene is very important in the Muslim world so they invented and manufactured soap - centuries before the West - and hundreds of bathhouses were built throughout Muslim cities. They understood the fundamentals of light and how we see, and gave us the camera obscure. They invented algebra and worked out the angle of the tilt of the earth. They built the first windmill, pioneered the concept of the crank rod, and designed the first ever torpedo. Muslim creativity also led to the invention of a unique instrument called the astrolabe -- it could find the direction of Mecca, tell the time and, with the help of the stars, navigate you across deserts and oceans. But perhaps most important of all they pursued the cause of knowledge, translating and preserving the works of the ancients and building the world's largest libraries -- their 'houses of wisdom'. Egyptians are claim most of this well before the were a Muslim country, just saying. Greek and Romans had 100's of bath houses as well. Muslims do play a role in history but as people not as a religion. Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: Progresso on September 29, 2012, 03:22:55 PM How many moslim Nobel Prize winners do we have`?
Answer: 0 Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: dirtycat on September 29, 2012, 03:23:59 PM How many moslim Nobel Prize winners do we have`? Answer: 0 wrong.. we have 1.. obama! ;D Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: wong RAP on September 29, 2012, 03:46:09 PM How many moslim Nobel Prize winners do we have`? Answer: 0 Muslim* You really didn't think this post through huh? Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: Blind on September 29, 2012, 06:21:09 PM Islamic torpedo Disperses thousands of small Qur'ans in every direction upon detonation. Why do you think religion has to do anything with this discovery by calling it "Islamic torpedo", unless it was mainly used to sink infidels? Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: Severian on September 29, 2012, 06:29:52 PM Muslims also invented Honor Killing, and highly entertaining act of stoning. To be fair, stoning isn't a "Muslim" invention. It's all over the Old Testament. The ancient Greeks also stoned the occasional hapless mortal. That some backwards cultures still use it and codify into their laws is a reflection on the culture. As for honor killing, if we were to re-label a lot of run-of-the-mill American trailer park/ghetto domestic violence as honor killing, we'd probably see a higher occurrence of it here in the US. Quote Now we're waiting for Muslims to invent women rights. I'm waiting for the world to adhere to the rights of individuals first. That doesn't exist in many places, not even here in America. Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: Blind on September 29, 2012, 07:10:01 PM As for honor killing, if we were to re-label a lot of run-of-the-mill American trailer park/ghetto domestic violence as honor killing, we'd probably see a higher occurrence of it here in the US. Tad different to bruise up the wifey and take her life away in horrendous manner. Besides such practices are illegal and stigmatized by civilized society, not widely acceptable or even encouraged. --- Now we're waiting for Muslims to invent women rights. 1882 Married Women's Property Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_women%27s_rights_%28other_than_voting%29It's a great list showing substantial work over past 300 years towards fair women rights (we all came from very dark place), but I fail to see any Muslim country there. Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: Severian on September 29, 2012, 07:19:55 PM Tad different to bruise up the wifey and take her life away in horrendous manner. Besides such practices are illegal and stigmatized by civilized society, not widely acceptable or even encouraged. 3-4 women a day are murdered by their partners in the US. The legality or illegality of it beside the point. There are large segments of American culture in which it's accepted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm2l0pxYw-4 The point here is that human nature itself can sometimes be a nasty, brutal and vicious actor. The failings of human nature can't be blamed on one religion or one culture. If one concentrates on the negative in life, you'll find it. I've found that better results are achieved by concentrating on the positive aspects of our nature while keeping an eye and a leash on the wild beast we all have inside of us. Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: swissmate on September 29, 2012, 08:15:22 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso
Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: jago25_98 on September 29, 2012, 08:37:12 PM Also,
mathematics (someone give some details?), geometrics & patterns, probiotic medicine (still not in use today actually), different attitudes to trade and economics than the jewish & christian environment before - anyone give more info? Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: BitcoinINV on September 29, 2012, 09:04:10 PM If you have a business why would ask this? More then 50% does not agree with you?
Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: Blind on September 29, 2012, 09:39:28 PM Islamic torpedo Disperses thousands of small Qur'ans in every direction upon detonation. Why do you think religion has to do anything with this discovery by calling it "Islamic torpedo", unless it was mainly used to sink infidels? It was a joke.... Sorry, I didn't watch the video, youtube is too wicked for my connection. Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: bitlane on September 29, 2012, 10:13:51 PM Quote What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Gave us long, slow moving lines at Airports ? Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: grondilu on September 29, 2012, 10:32:01 PM What on earth does this has to do with religion??
Each time a scientist makes a discovery, do we have to ask him in which God he believes in (if he ever believe in such fantasy), and make a count of scores? Isn't that totally childish? Yes, the arabs made a lot of great discoveries and they preserved and transmitted the antique knowledge that we had lost in Europe. They just happened to believe in Allah and his prophet during this time. Big deal. PS. The arabs did not invent the astrolab. Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: BitcoinINV on September 29, 2012, 10:33:48 PM Quote What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Gave us long, slow moving lines at Airports ? +1 and gave me 4 years worth of work and electrical experience. Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: Akka on September 29, 2012, 10:40:23 PM That where smart people which invented all this. But I don't see any link to the religion there. They would have had the same intelligence if they where born under any other religion..... the link is because of Islam they invented, otherwise they would have remained pagans(arabs) and not united to find & pray towards mecca they invented and used things such as the astrolabe also while europe was in the dark ages , the Islamic empire was advanced and inventing under Islamic Law (theocracy) so some might say Islam is backward and not scientific yet under Islam so many things were invented I don't think so . There where people that made great inventions which happen to be moslems. But they didn't do so because they where moslems. Just because Islamic countries allowed a part of their population to get educated doesn't mean that that was an achievement of Islam. That would be the same as to claim a majority of all discoveries of the last 100 years are christian discoveries. They are not, they where just done by people living in christian dominated countries. Or the same as claiming fire was a invention of Animism, because the first people to utilize fire belived in the almighty rivergod chanuk (I just made this up, there is probably no almighty chanuk, but you can never know for sure). Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: grondilu on September 29, 2012, 10:45:17 PM Or the same as claiming fire was a invention of Animism, because the first people to utilize fire belived in the almighty rivergot chanuk (I just made this up, there is probably no almighty chanuk, but you can never know for sure). Maybe we should all believe in many gods in the same time because two of the most brillant civilizations, the greeks and the romans, were polytheist. I guess we should all adorate Zeus and Jupiter. This is so stupid. I mean, imagine I ask: "What did polytheism ever do for us?" And then I start talking about mathematics, architecture, roads, medecine, atoms, Archimede, Pythagore, Platon and so on. Everybody would laugh at me. Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: goodlord666 on September 29, 2012, 11:12:13 PM Or the same as claiming fire was a invention of Animism, because the first people to utilize fire belived in the almighty rivergot chanuk (I just made this up, there is probably no almighty chanuk, but you can never know for sure). Maybe we should all believe in many gods in the same time because two of the most brillant civilizations, the greeks and the romans, were polytheist. I guess we should all adorate Zeus and Jupiter. This is so stupid. I mean, imagine I ask: "What did polytheism ever do for us?" And then I start talking about mathematics, architecture, roads, medecine, atoms, Archimede, Pythagore, Platon and so on. Everybody would laugh at me. Not really. Those days were great. Tell me, why did we ever give up on that culture again? Just musing.. Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: Akka on September 29, 2012, 11:18:58 PM Or the same as claiming fire was a invention of Animism, because the first people to utilize fire belived in the almighty rivergot chanuk (I just made this up, there is probably no almighty chanuk, but you can never know for sure). Maybe we should all believe in many gods in the same time because two of the most brillant civilizations, the greeks and the romans, were polytheist. I guess we should all adorate Zeus and Jupiter. This is so stupid. I mean, imagine I ask: "What did polytheism ever do for us?" And then I start talking about mathematics, architecture, roads, medecine, atoms, Archimede, Pythagore, Platon and so on. Everybody would laugh at me. Not really. Those days were great. Tell me, why did we ever give up on that culture again? Just musing.. I didn't as you can see in my sig picture. I'm a true believer of the goddess Eris. The Greek goddess of chaos, strife and discord. But I don't pray to her, ... far to dangerous. Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: goodlord666 on September 30, 2012, 12:29:41 AM Or the same as claiming fire was a invention of Animism, because the first people to utilize fire belived in the almighty rivergot chanuk (I just made this up, there is probably no almighty chanuk, but you can never know for sure). Maybe we should all believe in many gods in the same time because two of the most brillant civilizations, the greeks and the romans, were polytheist. I guess we should all adorate Zeus and Jupiter. This is so stupid. I mean, imagine I ask: "What did polytheism ever do for us?" And then I start talking about mathematics, architecture, roads, medecine, atoms, Archimede, Pythagore, Platon and so on. Everybody would laugh at me. Not really. Those days were great. Tell me, why did we ever give up on that culture again? Just musing.. I didn't as you can see in my sig picture. I'm a true believer of the goddess Eris. The Greek goddess of chaos, strife and discord. But I don't pray to her, ... far to dangerous. Dude, don't ever pray to a pentagram. That shit will take you years to recover from. But it can also give you a boost in life. I used protection. And don't ever go past the 99.9% with him. That dude is far more powerful than anything in this world. Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: BitcoinINV on September 30, 2012, 02:13:02 AM Im a apollo fan myself, its TKE's god our fraturnity prays to him JK
Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: b!z on September 30, 2012, 02:37:34 PM They also created Islam, don't forget.
Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: firefop on October 03, 2012, 12:32:59 PM First off - 'facts' aren't factual.
Astrolabe wasn't an islamic invention: see Claudius Ptolemy (ca. AD 150) who wrote extensively on it in his work known as the Planisphaerium. Which predate islam. Distilled water has been known since at least c. 200, when Alexander of Aphrodisias described the process. Second - implying that religion is the basis of invention is false in general. I could just as well imply that "because most theoretical scientists are atheists" then it must mean that God doesn't exist. Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: firefop on October 03, 2012, 12:42:05 PM Also, mathematics (someone give some details?), geometrics & patterns, probiotic medicine (still not in use today actually), different attitudes to trade and economics than the jewish & christian environment before - anyone give more info? Formal Mathematics, Greek origins - predates islam. Geometry (and volume calculations!) - Greek again. Probiotics - Egypt, antibiotics through fermentation of beer. (seriously check it out - they were brewing beer that had tetracycline in it). Trade and Economics - maybe, depends on what exactly you mean - Historically, islam is considered by most historians to be the origin of organized crime. Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: grondilu on October 03, 2012, 03:17:19 PM some might say to become advanced and powerful like the west , leave islam , but I say under Islam we could be advanced and powerful , some say we still live in the dark ages (islamic world today) but while europe was in the dark ages Islamic world was advanced , and so it could again in the future And as I said, their advance in science at this time had probably little to do with their religion, and was rather due to their geopolitical situation at this time, which is quite complex. It would be absurd to promote a religion just because it happened to be the religion of a great civilization at some time in the past. There were lots of them, I bet you just pick the one you currently believe in, or the one which corresponds to your ethnicity. Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: Korbman on October 03, 2012, 03:50:09 PM The early Muslims are credited with inventing distillation and could distill just about anything - from alcohol to perfume. Hygiene is very important in the Muslim world so they invented and manufactured soap - centuries before the West - and hundreds of bathhouses were built throughout Muslim cities. They understood the fundamentals of light and how we see, and gave us the camera obscure. They invented algebra and worked out the angle of the tilt of the earth. They built the first windmill, pioneered the concept of the crank rod, and designed the first ever torpedo. Muslim creativity also led to the invention of a unique instrument called the astrolabe -- it could find the direction of Mecca, tell the time and, with the help of the stars, navigate you across deserts and oceans. But perhaps most important of all they pursued the cause of knowledge, translating and preserving the works of the ancients and building the world's largest libraries -- their 'houses of wisdom'. That and so much more. The Arabic world was a fantastic place to live centuries ago. As my favorite Astrophysicist noted, it's all about Fundamentalism. I'll just leave this here :) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oxTMUTOz0w Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: grondilu on October 03, 2012, 04:22:17 PM And as I said, their advance in science at this time had probably little to do with their religion, and was rather due to their geopolitical situation at this time, which is quite complex. It would be absurd to promote a religion just because it happened to be the religion of a great civilization at some time in the past. There were lots of them, I bet you just pick the one you currently believe in, or the one which corresponds to your ethnicity. I am not promoting Islam or asking you to convert, and this thread is Not about "hey look Islam invented and discovered many things in the past, so you should convert to Islam ! " It kind of sound like you do, though. At least because you keep saying "islamic civilization". At school I was told that the arabs preserved and developed antique knowledge during the european dark ages and that it allowed renaissance. You keep associating religion to that and it's difficult not to see it as proselytism, but I'm Ok to give you the benefit of the doubt. Title: Re: What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ? Post by: Korbman on October 03, 2012, 05:28:11 PM @korbman in that video he mentions arabic numerals, astrolabe , algebra/algorithm from arabic but i didn't know so many stars have arabic star names at school when learning algebra i didnt know it was from islamic world , i thought its something western i dont remember any school books mentioning any islamic scientist Sounds like we should head over and post in the "What we've learnt today" [https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=65853.0] section :D |