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September 29, 2012, 02:29:33 PM
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And after that? Why did they stop?
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September 29, 2012, 02:32:26 PM
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That where smart people which invented all this. But I don't see any link to the religion there. They would have had the same intelligence if they where born under any other religion.

I wouldn't credit any success of a civilisation or any failure to the particular religion they believe in.

History has proofed enough that civilisations can flourish and can collapse no matter in which specific religion the majority of their citizens belief.

Neither would I credit it to Islam that most Islamic countries are currently oppressive regimes (that are just their leaders using Islam as an excuse, any other religion would work the same), nor would I credit it to Christianity that many Christian countrys are more or less free.

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September 29, 2012, 03:06:10 PM
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And after that? Why did they stop?

well after that , colonization and then dictatorships supported by the west and muslims fighting each other

There were 400 years or so of intense activity in the arts, mathematics and science.
The Islamic world was at it's cultural height and had overtaken everyone else - if Muslims had managed to unify it would have been hard for anyone to stop them.
Mohammed (PBUH) unified a vast, disparate group of people in a very short amount of time (making him arguably the most important person in the world history) - it's difficult to understand what changed a few hundred years later.
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September 29, 2012, 03:08:38 PM
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Muslims also invented Honor Killing, and highly entertaining act of stoning. Now we're waiting for Muslims to invent women rights.

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September 29, 2012, 03:17:51 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMon04ie2pE

The early Muslims are credited with inventing distillation and could distill just about anything - from alcohol to perfume. Hygiene is very important in the Muslim world so they invented and manufactured soap - centuries before the West - and hundreds of bathhouses were built throughout Muslim cities.

 They understood the fundamentals of light and how we see, and gave us the camera obscure. They invented algebra and worked out the angle of the tilt of the earth. They built the first windmill, pioneered the concept of the crank rod, and designed the first ever torpedo.

Muslim creativity also led to the invention of a unique instrument called the astrolabe -- it could find the direction of Mecca, tell the time and, with the help of the stars, navigate you across deserts and oceans. But perhaps most important of all they pursued the cause of knowledge, translating and preserving the works of the ancients and building the world's largest libraries -- their 'houses of wisdom'.

Egyptians are claim most of this well before the were a Muslim country, just saying. Greek and Romans had 100's of bath houses as well. Muslims do play a role in history but as people not as a religion.

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September 29, 2012, 03:22:55 PM
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How many moslim Nobel Prize winners do we have`?

Answer: 0
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September 29, 2012, 03:23:59 PM
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How many moslim Nobel Prize winners do we have`?

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wrong.. we have 1.. obama!  Grin

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September 29, 2012, 03:46:09 PM
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How many moslim Nobel Prize winners do we have`?

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September 29, 2012, 06:21:09 PM
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Islamic torpedo

Disperses thousands of small Qur'ans in every direction upon detonation.

Why do you think religion has to do anything with this discovery by calling it "Islamic torpedo", unless it was mainly used to sink infidels?

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September 29, 2012, 06:29:52 PM
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Muslims also invented Honor Killing, and highly entertaining act of stoning.

To be fair, stoning isn't a "Muslim" invention. It's all over the Old Testament. The ancient Greeks also stoned the occasional hapless mortal. That some backwards cultures still use it and codify into their laws is a reflection on the culture.

As for honor killing, if we were to re-label a lot of run-of-the-mill American trailer park/ghetto domestic violence as honor killing, we'd probably see a higher occurrence of it here in the US.

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Now we're waiting for Muslims to invent women rights.

I'm waiting for the world to adhere to the rights of individuals first. That doesn't exist in many places, not even here in America.

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September 29, 2012, 07:10:01 PM
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As for honor killing, if we were to re-label a lot of run-of-the-mill American trailer park/ghetto domestic violence as honor killing, we'd probably see a higher occurrence of it here in the US.

Tad different to bruise up the wifey and take her life away in horrendous manner. Besides such practices are illegal and stigmatized by civilized society, not widely acceptable or even encouraged.

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It's a great list showing substantial work over past 300 years towards fair women rights (we all came from very dark place), but I fail to see any Muslim country there.

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September 29, 2012, 07:19:55 PM
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Tad different to bruise up the wifey and take her life away in horrendous manner. Besides such practices are illegal and stigmatized by civilized society, not widely acceptable or even encouraged.

3-4 women a day are murdered by their partners in the US. The legality or illegality of it beside the point. There are large segments of American culture in which it's accepted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm2l0pxYw-4

The point here is that human nature itself can sometimes be a nasty, brutal and vicious actor. The failings of human nature can't be blamed on one religion or one culture. If one concentrates on the negative in life, you'll find it. I've found that better results are achieved by concentrating on the positive aspects of our nature while keeping an eye and a leash on the wild beast we all have inside of us.
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September 29, 2012, 08:15:22 PM
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September 29, 2012, 08:37:12 PM
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Also,
mathematics (someone give some details?),
geometrics & patterns,
probiotic medicine (still not in use today actually),
different attitudes to trade and economics than the jewish & christian environment before - anyone give more info?

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September 29, 2012, 09:04:10 PM
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If you have a business why would ask this? More then 50% does not agree with you?

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September 29, 2012, 09:39:28 PM
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Islamic torpedo

Disperses thousands of small Qur'ans in every direction upon detonation.

Why do you think religion has to do anything with this discovery by calling it "Islamic torpedo", unless it was mainly used to sink infidels?

It was a joke....

Sorry, I didn't watch the video, youtube is too wicked for my connection.

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September 29, 2012, 10:13:51 PM
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What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ?

Gave us long, slow moving lines at Airports ?

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September 29, 2012, 10:32:01 PM
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What on earth does this has to do with religion??

Each time a scientist makes a discovery, do we have to ask him in which God he believes in (if he ever believe in such fantasy), and make a count of scores?  Isn't that totally childish?

Yes, the arabs made a lot of great discoveries and they preserved and transmitted the antique knowledge that we had lost in Europe.   They just happened to believe in Allah and his prophet during this time.   Big deal.

PS.  The arabs did not invent the astrolab.
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September 29, 2012, 10:33:48 PM
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What did the Islamic Civilization ever do for us ?

Gave us long, slow moving lines at Airports ?

+1 and gave me 4 years worth of work and electrical experience.

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