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Mнe вoт вce нe дaeт пoкoя мoя шaпoчкa из фoльги...  :-\ Oчeнь coблaзнитeльнo былo бы нaжитьcя нa нaпpacныx oжидaнияx мaйнepoв. Пpимepнo вoт тaк.. (нeдaлeкoe бyдyщee)
1 Haгpaдa peжeтcя c 50 дo 25
2 Acики нe вышли eщe (к тoмy вce идeт)
3 Люди пoнимaют чтo мaйнить нa видикax cтaлo мягкo гoвopя нe выгoднo (yжe, дo acикoв) ocoбeннo тe, ктo нe из Poccии (иx бoльшинcтвo), oни плaтят зa эл энepгию  ;D
4 тe, "ктo в тeмe" зaгoвopa - cкyпaют мaкcимaльнoe кoличecтвo BTC , cтapaяcь нe взвинтить цeнy, нo цeнa яceн пeнь плaвнo нo pacтeт..
5 Acикoв вce нeт (мoжeт пepeнecyт cpoк, этo нe пpинципиaльнo), этo мoжeт длитьcя дoлгo нo в paзyмныx пpeдeлax
6 Mнoгиe мaйнepы oт бeзъиcxoднocти cкyпaют вcячecкиe бoнды, кoллeктивныe инвecтиции в paзpaбoткy чипoв, тaкиx cтaлo в paзы бoльшe..
7 Кoгдa Maвpoди Maнипyлятop peшит "xвaтит" - БAБAX ! "BЗЛOMAЛИ" GLBSE Aй aй aй, кaк нe xopoшo, нo нe eмy  ;D Бaзы нeт (ничeгo нe нaпoминaeт?) , cкoлькo ктo кoмy дaл - нeизвecтнo.. Этo пpивoдит к oбвaлy BTC (нo OH знaeт, чтo этo нe кoнeц, пpocтo xopoшaя вoзмoжнocть cкyпить пo дeшeвкe..  ::) )
8 "кoppeкция" вызвaннaя нoвocтью o глбce, пocтeпeннo пepexoдит в pocт..
9 Tyт caмoe интepecнoe нaчинaeтcя..... (ктo тo дoлжeн быть пepвым, дyмaю этo бyдeт caмый кpyпный) Haпpимep BFL oбъявляeт чтo пpoизвoдcтвo copвaнo и acикoв нe бyдeт! Зa ним ecтecтвeннo вce дeлaют тoжe (oни и нe coбиpaлиcь иx пpoизвoдить, пpocтo либo в дoлe, либo в cвoиx интepecax мoлчaт)
10 ГИИИИИИГAHTCКИЙ POCT  BTC мoжeт дo 1000 дaжe, в cepьeз paccмaтpивaю этo.., и гдe бyдeт пoлoжeн этoмy кoнeц - peшит тoлькo Maнипyлятop (coбcтвeннo ПPOФИT!)

My tin foil hat doesn't give me a moment of peace...  Undecided It would be very tempting to make a fortune on vain expectations of miners. Like that... (the nearest future)
1. The reward is cut from 50 to 25
2. ASICs have not shipped yet (seems they won't be shipped at all)
3. People realize that GPU mining has become, to put it mildly, not profitable (now, before ASICs are shipped), especially those who are not in Russia (they are majority), they pay for electricity  Grin
4. Those who know about the conspiracy buy as much BTC as possible trying not to send the price up, but the price, of course, goes up slowly..
5. There are no ASICs yet (maybe the deadline will be postponed, it doesn't matter), this can last for a long time, reasonable time
6. A lot of miners due to hopeless situation buy up different bonds, joint investments into chip development, there should be a lot of such bonds/investments..
7. When Mavrodi the Manipulator decides "enough" - BANG ! GLBSE is "hacked", oh, oh, oh, that's bad, but not for him  Grin There is no the database (doesn't it remind something?), it's unknown how much everyone owes.. This leads to collapse of BTC (but HE knows that this is not the end, just a good opportunity to buy very cheap..  Roll Eyes)
8. "Correction" caused by the news about GLBSE slowly transforms into growth..
9. Now the most interesting has begun..... (someone has to be the first, I suppose it will be the biggest). For instance BFL announces that manufacturing is sabotaged and ASICs won't be shipped! The others, of course, do the same after that (they didn't even intended to manufacture anything, they just share profit or have other causes to keep mouths closed)
10. HUUUUUUGE GROWTH of BTC price, probably up to 1000, I really believe in it.., and only the Manipulator decides when this growth will be stopped (which is PROFIT!)

Market Price of anything determined by supply and demand, bitcoin is not exception the only difference is that the supply side is constant, 50 BTC per ten minutes at the moment. Regardless of how much computer power used to generate bitcoins the rate of produced bitcoins will not change because Bitcoin network difficulty will adjust to make it harder or easier to find new bitcoins depending on total network computer power, bitcoin price change purely because of change of demand.

please translate it googletranslatorisch very very bad  :P

Note, I wrote this on August 31. Surprisingly punctually executed assumption.. This is just a guess, I could be wrong. Only my suspicions.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=84002.msg1149628#msg1149628

or

I am now all is haunted my foil hat ...   It would be tempting to cash in on the miners waiting in vain. Something like this .. (Near future)
1 Award is cut from 50 to 25
2 Asik not out yet (besides everything goes)
3 People understand that Maina on Vidic was not favorable to say the least (already, before Asik), especially those who are not from Russia (most of them ), they pay for electric energy   4 those "who in the subject of" conspiracy - buying up the maximum amount of BTC , trying not to jack up the price, but the price is clear stump slowly but grows .. 5 Asik all there (maybe will take time, it does not matter) it can last a long time but a reasonable 6 Many miners from beziskhodnosti buy all sorts of bonds, collective investment in the development of chips, such was at times more .. 7 When



MavrodiManipulator decide "enough" - broads! "Hack" GLBSE Ah ah ah, if not good, but not him   Databases not (Sound familiar?) as someone who has given - is unknown .. This leads to the collapse of BTC (but he knows that this is not the end, just a good opportunity to buy on the cheap ..   )
8 "correction" caused by the news of glbse, is gradually transformed into growth ..
9 Then the fun begins ..... (Someone has to be first, I think it will be the largest) example BFL announces that production collapsed and Asik will not be! Him naturally to do the same (they were not going to produce them, or simply to share, or take advantage of the silence)
10 GIIIIIIGANTSKY GROWTH   BTC can up to 1000, even in seriously considering it .. and where it will put an end to it - will be determined only Manipulator (actually a pro!)

GIIIIIIGANSKY GROWTH?

1000$ /BTC ... he mad ;)

Yes, it was kind of forecast.
my smoothed translation of the 2nd half :
"... there will be price correction (due to GLBSE shutdown )
then slowly transforming into price increase up to
1000 USD per 1 BTC driven by Manipulator. Nobody knows
 when He will stop his evil actions.
But you can profit from this prediction ...
BUY ! BUY ! BUY !"

He is a prophet ;)  He predicted the collapse gblse ;) I do not understand  rest of the text :) What will be next?  BFL  collapsed  ? 1000$/BTC ?? I can believe that BFL will fall (it is easy to predict), but the 1000$ /BTC ... he mad ;)

My tin foil hat doesn't give me a moment of peace...  :-\ It would be very tempting to make a fortune on vain expectations of miners. Like that... (the nearest future)
1. The reward is cut from 50 to 25
2. ASICs have not shipped yet (seems they won't be shipped at all)
3. People realize that GPU mining has become, to put it mildly, not profitable (now, before ASICs are shipped), especially those who are not in Russia (they are majority), they pay for electricity  ;D
4. Those who know about the conspiracy buy as much BTC as possible trying not to send the price up, but the price, of course, goes up slowly..
5. There are no ASICs yet (maybe the deadline will be postponed, it doesn't matter), this can last for a long time, reasonable time
6. A lot of miners due to hopeless situation buy up different bonds, joint investments into chip development, there should be a lot of such bonds/investments..
7. When Mavrodi the Manipulator decides "enough" - BANG ! GLBSE is "hacked", oh, oh, oh, that's bad, but not for him  ;D There is no the database (doesn't it remind something?), it's unknown how much everyone owes.. This leads to collapse of BTC (but HE knows that this is not the end, just a good opportunity to buy very cheap..  ::))
8. "Correction" caused by the news about GLBSE slowly transforms into growth..
9. Now the most interesting has begun..... (someone has to be the first, I suppose it will be the biggest). For instance BFL announces that manufacturing is sabotaged and ASICs won't be shipped! The others, of course, do the same after that (they didn't even intended to manufacture anything, they just share profit or have other causes to keep mouths closed)
10. HUUUUUUGE GROWTH of BTC price, probably up to 1000, I really believe in it.., and only the Manipulator decides when this growth will be stopped (which is PROFIT!)

7. When Mavrodi the Manipulator decides "enough" - BANG ! GLBSE is "hacked", oh, oh, oh, that's bad, but not for him  ;D There is no the database (doesn't it remind something?), it's unknown how much everyone owes.. This leads to collapse of BTC (but HE knows that this is not the end, just a good opportunity to buy very cheap..  ::))

I'll translate to spread the words of the Prophet!

Allmighty Manipulator is the evil spirit of Mavrodi,
living in the Astral Space.

point 8 to 7 to 8 to 7 to 8  ;D ;D ;D

Cost of mining doesn't affect bitcoin price at all, therefore it doesn't matter when or if BFL ASIC would come out.

The edges of the foil hat get into my brain, causing such bad thoughts circuit neurons.  :P

b) Plug the holes in your head.

 :D

and how to be refrigerated? (ventilation needed to cool my brain)  :D

BFL oпyбликoвaли нoвыe изoбpaжeния, пoкa тoлькo oтpeндepeнныe кoмпьютepныe мoдeли.

SC Single

http://content.foto.mail.ru/mail/leofar65/1543/i-1567.jpg

Boдoблoк для cлeдyющeгo пoкoлeния SC Single

http://content.foto.mail.ru/mail/leofar65/1543/i-1568.jpg

Boдoблoк oни paзpaбoтaли eщё для FPGA Single, нo в cвязи co cкopым выxoдoм SC Single нe cтaли пycкaть eгo в cepию

BFL published new images while only rendered computer models....
Waterblock they designed more for FPGA Single, but in connection with the imminent release of SC Single did not let him into a series of

I'm not very familiar with the production, but I assume that in the final stage should already have something to show people besides cartoon drawings  :-\ Especially not one I doubt the veracity of, here on the English forum even jokingly called these "club member foil hats"

Well, there is a very good reason for not showing the actual implementation.
A board designer can learn a lot about the architecture by looking at an empty pbc.
With components this problem is even bigger.
For a small company it is very important to keep the design a secret as long as possible.
Otherwise a chinese firm with bigger facilities and no work will take your design and push it to market before you do.
Welcome to the brutal world of electronics manufacturing.
 :-\

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Otherwise a chinese firm with bigger facilities and no work will take your design and push it to market before you do.
Welcome to the brutal world of electronics manufacturing.
 :-\

Make a copy of an ASIC with a low quality picture? that very poor reasoning.

It's a conspiracy theory but even if this BFL decided to sell real products, it is very tempting to stay with deposits in bitcoins that are untraceable and disappear from the map hoping the price combulsión augmente created.

Constant changes in the models promised smell some kind of flight forward, pushing people to spend a little more to improve a little promise supported by graphics, pictures of new facilities and new products with AutoCAD ... Being objective looks really bad, but 50% of those who responded to the survey believe it possible, is an absolute majority.

Chinese companies do not need to copy the great BFL project . For them, it's no problem to do better :) I think no serious Chinese company does not see  economic sense. ASIC projects are very expensive to design and risky. Bitcoin is a niche project, the number of potential customers is limited and low

I am surprised so many people think BFL is legitimately a scam..

You've got any idea how costly and labour intensive designing is?

http://www.eecg.toronto.edu/~vaughn/papers/ersa2010_advances.pdf
http://www.design-reuse.com/articles/12360/fpgas-and-structured-asics-low-risk-soc-for-the-masses.html
http://www.design-reuse.com/articles/13550/fpga-prototyping-to-structured-asic-production-to-reduce-cost-risk-ttm.html

http://www.dz.ee.ethz.ch/?id=1592 -> http://www.dz.ee.ethz.ch/fileadmin/user_upload/dz/files/asiccostestimator.xls  ->  ASIC cost estimator LOL  ;D

It is safer to assume that BFL is scam. If you're wrong, you buy ASIC from BFL  "few" days later than the others (when the product will be ready) . BFL boast that they are able to make a few thousand boards per day so if you order now or two months later you will get rig a similar period of time. If you're right (BFL is scam), you will save a lot of money and nerves. As you can see, thinking that BFL is a scam, you gain more than you lose. I remember how many people trusted pirate and how many were using gblse....

BFL stated 300 boards per 8 hour shift, or 900 per 24 hours when working in 3 shifts, not "a few thousand a day".
ps Anyone that fell for Pirate is at least feeble minded, don't know shit about gbsle, but had they people's money or coins? At least, bfl delivered hardware before, and still does.

BFL stated 300 boards per 8 hour shift, or 900 per 24 hours when working in 3 shifts, not "a few thousand a day".
ps Anyone that fell for Pirate is at least feeble minded, don't know shit about gbsle, but had they people's money or coins? At least, bfl delivered hardware before, and still does.

good news for you !!!



you can see here how many users they are on eclipse
https://eclipsemc.com/ (https://eclipsemc.com/)

Active Miners    1497
Current Speed:    1.73 TH/s

of course they are asic miner who mining !!!!

here the production line
http://www.butterflylabs.com/mini-rig-production-line/ (http://www.butterflylabs.com/mini-rig-production-line/)

LOL  ;D This is FPGA minirig, no ASIC :)

But the question is, do they look like they are packing up shop?

It does not prove anything. With all due respect to the BFL of course (I am not saying that they are scammers)
Scam companies always look credible and trustworthy, if not they could not fool the people :) People are suspicious of companies who sell preorders and risk their money. I think it's normal

It does not prove anything. With all due respect to the BFL of course (I am not saying that they are scammers)
Scam companies always look credible and trustworthy, if not they could not fool the people :) People are suspicious of companies who sell preorders and risk their money. I think it's normal

It proves they have a good running company.
What would motivate them to take a relatively small sum of money and run from authority if they can have fun doing things they like while they earn their money? I think it would be pointless and stupid.

Pointless and stupid ? definitely not.
Now I write only hypothetically, one of the scenarios. Let no one takes this seriously:

Company "X" specializes in FPGA rigs. FPGA is not cheap. They collect a large sum of money and invest in FPGA rigs. They buy equipment and produce lots of new rigs. Now 3 options:
1. They tell people, sorry but we could not produce the ASIC. were wrong, it's not that simple. We'll give you  money back but we need a some time. They make money on mining and slowly give people their money. Everything is legal. Repay people and enjoy  mega FPGA mine.
2. they declare bankruptcy. Officially lost all money on research into ASIC. I do not know what it's like in the U.S., but in some countries, the owners are not responsible for the bankruptcy of his company with no fault of their own. The Company has the right to bankruptcy, it happens. People lose money
3. They disappear with a few million dollars. They calculated that on fraud will earn more than the legal business. Bitcoin is a niche project and have a limited small number of potential customers. Create ASIC for such a small group would be unprofitable.

and 4 option. They produce ASIC and everybody is happy ;) For the good bitcoin is the best option and I hope that will be true.

Well, there is a very good reason for not showing the actual implementation.
A board designer can learn a lot about the architecture by looking at an empty pbc.
With components this problem is even bigger.
For a small company it is very important to keep the design a secret as long as possible.
Otherwise a chinese firm with bigger facilities and no work will take your design and push it to market before you do.
Welcome to the brutal world of electronics manufacturing.
 :-\

(bold) If that's the case, why would somebody pre-order when a cheaper model form China would be just over the horizon after the very first shipment?

Take a good look at your point 3.
It doesnt make sense.
The millions they would take were payed by the same people that you say are a small number of potential customers.
What's more, they would have had everything ready to produce cheap ASICs but then throw it away? I don't think so.
Remember that they can only once run away with the money.
But if they keep honest they can produce their hardware cheaply and make a very good profit and be happy in life instead of running away.
Remember that they are a legitimate shop so if they run they will be sought by authorities.

Of course they could run and i can make up a milion stories of how it could have happened.
But the truth is i don't see any reason not tu trust them. They feel like a genuine small electronics firm with all the usual supply problems etc. They are in fact doing good!
I've followed some honest stories of people starting their own hardware projects and it was sjust painfull to see how many hurdles you must take to get anything like this going. I have deep respect that they managed the FPGAs and am confident they will deliver on the ASICs.

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7. When Mavrodi the Manipulator decides "enough" - BANG ! GLBSE is "hacked", oh, oh, oh, that's bad, but not for him  Grin There is no the database (doesn't it remind something?), it's unknown how much everyone owes.. This leads to collapse of BTC (but HE knows that this is not the end, just a good opportunity to buy very cheap..  Roll Eyes)\.....Я

ok, my mistake. If they are going to do 900 boards per 24 hours, they should execute all orders in a week or two or three. The point is, it's not worth the risk to buy preorder to gain a few days time. I'm not saying that BFL is a scam, they can make mistakes and go bankrupt as well.  A simple calculation of risk - possible profits and losses.

My tin foil hat doesn't give me a moment of peace...  Undecided It would be very tempting to make a fortune on vain expectations of miners. Like that... (the nearest future)
1. The reward is cut from 50 to 25
2. ASICs have not shipped yet (seems they won't be shipped at all)
3. People realize that GPU mining has become, to put it mildly, not profitable (now, before ASICs are shipped), especially those who are not in Russia (they are majority), they pay for electricity  Grin
4. Those who know about the conspiracy buy as much BTC as possible trying not to send the price up, but the price, of course, goes up slowly..
5. There are no ASICs yet (maybe the deadline will be postponed, it doesn't matter), this can last for a long time, reasonable time
6. A lot of miners due to hopeless situation buy up different bonds, joint investments into chip development, there should be a lot of such bonds/investments..
7. When Mavrodi the Manipulator decides "enough" - BANG ! GLBSE is "hacked", oh, oh, oh, that's bad, but not for him  Grin There is no the database (doesn't it remind something?), it's unknown how much everyone owes.. This leads to collapse of BTC (but HE knows that this is not the end, just a good opportunity to buy very cheap..  Roll Eyes)
8. "Correction" caused by the news about GLBSE slowly transforms into growth..
9. Now the most interesting has begun..... (someone has to be the first, I suppose it will be the biggest). For instance BFL announces that manufacturing is sabotaged and ASICs won't be shipped! The others, of course, do the same after that (they didn't even intended to manufacture anything, they just share profit or have other causes to keep mouths closed)
10. HUUUUUUGE GROWTH of BTC price, probably up to 1000, I really believe in it.., and only the Manipulator decides when this growth will be stopped (which is PROFIT!)

best version of translate, thanks!
My tin foil hat doesn't give me a moment of peace...  Undecided It would be very tempting to make a fortune on vain expectations of miners. Like that... (the nearest future)
1. The reward is cut from 50 to 25
2. ASICs have not shipped yet (seems they won't be shipped at all)
3. People realize that GPU mining has become, to put it mildly, not profitable (now, before ASICs are shipped), especially those who are not in Russia (they are majority), they pay for electricity  Grin
4. Those who know about the conspiracy buy as much BTC as possible trying not to send the price up, but the price, of course, goes up slowly..
5. There are no ASICs yet (maybe the deadline will be postponed, it doesn't matter), this can last for a long time, reasonable time
6. A lot of miners due to hopeless situation buy up different bonds, joint investments into chip development, there should be a lot of such bonds/investments..
7. When Mavrodi the Manipulator decides "enough" - BANG ! GLBSE is "hacked", oh, oh, oh, that's bad, but not for him  Grin There is no the database (doesn't it remind something?), it's unknown how much everyone owes.. This leads to collapse of BTC (but HE knows that this is not the end, just a good opportunity to buy very cheap..  Roll Eyes)
8. "Correction" caused by the news about GLBSE slowly transforms into growth..
9. Now the most interesting has begun..... (someone has to be the first, I suppose it will be the biggest). For instance BFL announces that manufacturing is sabotaged and ASICs won't be shipped! The others, of course, do the same after that (they didn't even intended to manufacture anything, they just share profit or have other causes to keep mouths closed)
10. HUUUUUUGE GROWTH of BTC price, probably up to 1000, I really believe in it.., and only the Manipulator decides when this growth will be stopped (which is PROFIT!)
add that I have in mind that this is a planned operation (from the start it was doomed.)
The edges of the foil hat get into my brain, causing such bad thoughts circuit neurons.  :P

1. They tell people, sorry but we could not produce the ASIC. were wrong, it's not that simple. We'll give you  money back but we need a some time. They make money on mining and slowly give people their money. Everything is legal. Repay people and enjoy  mega FPGA mine.

Soon, probably will be available in high-performance devices for mining such as "Rig Box" This is probably "accidentally" coincide with the regular inflated "bubble".