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The title probably already gave it away but I think we're all thinking this.  You know how quite a large number of BTC transactions involve illegal stuff?  Don't you wish you could damage those guys' business or basically take their money?  Well, most drug-buying, burnout, ass clowns aren't exactly way into following the BTC community.  Drug dealers probably can't read so well to begin with so needless to say, most aren't here following every little post :P

So, if someone were to say let's everyone refuse to sell any BTC on any exchange for 1 week starting on XXXX, the price would skyrocket and then everyone dump it after the 1 week and all the money that was collected illegally at the artificially inflated buying price would go straight into our pockets during a big sell off :D

What do you think?  Could we get enough people to follow along while keeping enough people in the dark?  Or would early sellers, etc ruin it by not exactly following the policy?  Would we even have enough people?

you can't lock out anyone.

the first private non-tech-interested people who populated the internet were also perverts, drug addicts, criminals searching for contact with like-minded people.

we have to walk through this wild-west-times again in bitcoin. maybe we can use some of the experience from the late 90's.

What makes you think that they're using the exchanges to launder their funds?

So, what do you buy regularly using Bitcoins?  What products do you sell for Bitcoins?  Why should anyone care what you think?  What percentage of your income goes towards Bitcoin trade?

Let me try to follow the logic.  

Maybe you believe that anything illegal anywhere is therefore bad, because after all somebody said it was bad and you don't bother to think so you just believe.  Also you might believe that hurting others will make your own troubles go away, perhaps somebody did that to you and why not follow the example, saves thinking.  Am I close?    

    

Oh, and in case it's not obvious.  This is a stupid idea because illegal trade will occur regardless of volatility.  Legitimate businesses need a stable currency before they will adopt it.  You are only defeating your own goal.

Yes, but legitimate businessmen can read so they'll be in on it  ::)

Som criminals probably can't read that doesn't mean they are stupid and don't employ technical people that know whats happening.

So you are basically planning to do crowdsourced market manipulation? Not gonna work. You have funny branding though, as if "criminal scum" were the target. This would as well harm honest traders or legit btc investors/users. But it won't work so it doesn't matter.

What you suggest is just as unethical to my mind as laundering money or peddling drugs and would make you no better than those you intended to harm.

What does make you think that SR people don't read or participate in this forum?

And again, current stability is good. Don't try to change it.

You decide the price
YOu decide the path
they have been telling you this .....

how many need to sell and when...

1. Drug dealers probably can't read so well to begin with? The drug dealers in question were smart enough to use a computer to set up tor to log on to a site to use encrypted communications to buy and sell goods using a currency most people are just beginning to wrap their heads around. Yeah, you're right. They probably can't read.

2. You want to manipulate the market to capitalize on less educated bitcoin users. Ignoring the moral issue, and the fact that price manipulation is illegal in regulated currencies, the volatility would shake the confidence of anyone on the fence about adopting bitcoin, and hurt the "legitimate" businesses who have begun to adopt bitcoin.

3. I had a three, but I was doing drugs last night and I can't really remember what it was.   

Some of those "drug-buying, burnout, ass clowns" probably follow the bitcoin market (and financial markets in general) more closely than you do. Brilliant idea though.  ::)

Why do people care what the BTC are used for.. Seriously? I read SR is doing 1.4m in transactions or something monthly. Do you want BTC to stay afloat? Yeah screw the 2m monthly trades of BTC, and drop the price of your BTC.

what about a triangle breakout to the upside by bad people in the legal market
,thats not manipulation

can be done here, twice the value or more for your drugs or whatever you sell
in the legal markets

sky is the limit for criminals with cash in any market, brilliant

No.

No.

No?? And why should I care?

According to you they are making up a "large number of BTC transactions" - which is it?

You should stop worrying about drug dealers and work on doing a bit more reading yourself before making ridiculous posts.

wuaha, just perfect :D

So your assumption is that people like you and people who will listen to you make the market? I think they make 0% of the market

This forum is full of idiots. The fact that this kind of thread keeps popping up says it all.

No we don,t

You're all reading too much into this.  This isn't a mastermind plan to stop all illegal activity.  It's a simple plan to take some money from assholes because I think it'd be deserved and funny.   Ugh, you guys are no fun.  All of you and I know that if enough people with enough BTC did this, it would work.  It's not unfair manipulation of the market if we're all in on it and it certainly would work.

I don't care if some strung out, unemployed little piece of shit drug-dealing programmer like me thinks he can spy on the forums and get wind of this.  Good luck telling the other 99% of BTC users in that little group that are dumb as rocks not to buy any BTC or do any business for a week.  But whatever, you answered my question.  Nobody's going to do it so screw it.

You can all live in pretend land where everything is great.  I say if hackers and drug dealers think they can turn this into the wild west where anything goes, giddeyup, cuz they're not the only ones who like to cause chaos.

This idea reminds me of emails that do the rounds every time petrol prices spike.  It goes something like this:

1. We all refuse to buy petrol on a given week.

2. Petrol stations become desperate to sell and will dump prices.

3. We refill next week and get cheaper prices overall.

All this and the bitcoin manipulation idea misses the key fact that if there's demand in the overall market then just delaying it for a little bit won't have an effect overall.  Also you'll find people acting against the trend in their own best interests.  Bitcoin price collapsing because we refuse to buy?  I'm sure more than a few people will start buying at a price point much higher than any arbitrary set price.

And I'm pretty sure people using Silk Road also use the Internet, and know what Google is.  They can find this forum pretty easily.

Will someone from YOSPOS please find a way to replace Desolator's ugly dog with a Cosby avatar?

They are minding their own business. You are trying to take their money because you think it would be funny. Who are the assholes again?


No, it would not work for about 1000 reasons, but most notably everyone would be looking to get out ahead of everyone else. You underestimate the number of assholes on the other side of the coin, so to speak.


Person A operates on a sohisticated underground network of anonymous trade, provides a considerable amount of value and stability to an up-and-coming digital currency, and provides access to goods and services that for reasons that may or may not apply, have been made unavailable to the general public by a general authority.

Person B posted a baseless idea on some forums in an attempt to rally others against person A in the interest of personal profit and because he probably deserves it.

One of them is dumb as rocks.


They set up all of the anonymous trade networks for the sole purpose of creating the smallest amount of chaos in their business model. Meanwhile, you are benefiting from their activities (assuming you own even 1 BTC), and attempting to use that small amount of leverage to "cause chaos", citing your obvious social/moral superiorty, intelligence, and the desire to take their money.

I'm going to have to think on this a little longer before I choose sides.

Uhhhhh no, it would be the oil company refusing to pump or sell oil for a week, driving the price up, then selling their more valuable inventory after that, ripping off everyone else.

Btw you're all raising these illegal assholes up on some pedestal like it's some super amazing syndicate.  I saw a screenshot.  I think they use phpBB3 for one of their sites, lol.  Plus, they're not quite so invincible as you're making them sound.  If the price of BTC drops to half what it is now, they get screwed along with everyone else.  So that's how that works, lol.

btw soooo many SA members here.  They better never made me a moderator or you're all gone.

The big ones are using custom software for their sites. They use phpBB for their forums.

You are clueless about markets and the mechanics of price action.

You are speaking about the security of a site based on a screenshot you saw. Never accessed the site. Just saw a screenshot.

You fail to realize the effect these markets have on the stability of the price of bitcoin.

Also, quoted so I don't forget you and your cute little attitude of inherent moral superiority.

I sir, am not a user of SR. But I do love liberty. The idea that users whole use bitcoin for legal purposes would agree to manipulate the market for personal gain (or even for lulz) is just silly. If anything, the average supporter of bitcoin is secretly supporting the users of SR because we know that it's the quickest way to mainstream adoption. The vast majority of 'illegal assholes' are just normal people, and every person should have the right to use their currency as they see fit.

But +1 for having a fun thread!

Bitcoin's finest.

Some "ass clown" must have sold Desolater's brother (or other dead yet loved relative) some fentanyl as heroin
 :D

That might explain his attitude towards drug dealers, but it doesn't account for his hysteria over Cosby avatars.

Mr. Clown includes a free sheet of Cosby-themed blotter paper with every order.

Cosby heroin stamps.

That may be true for the hanging around in the dark alley type of grunts. But the ones that sell on TOR for BTC probably have a certain technical savvy and definitely can read.

Why not start local man? Join your local police force if people using drugs in the safety of their own home is such a problem for you.


drug dealers are normal people. Normal people that are not getting by well enough working their 9-5 job. Some drug dealers are very smart people.... You have to be either really smart or really lucky to deal for a very long time without being caught.


I think btc value would drop about 50-80% if illegal markets were blocked somehow.  I'll bet that if SR disappears so does the value of BTC.


Silkroad and drugs is the least of your problems


Do you think Pedophilia is okay? How much of that shit do you think is traded with BTC..

Then they'd have a job.  And no, nobody in my part of this medium sized city ever uses or has seen drugs.  That's because we're educated, have jobs, and aren't stupid.  Go about 3 miles east to find the drug addicted, welfare-riding assholes.

And you just seem too stupid for words over the forum hack.  Someone hacked the one and only bitcoin forum at the time while the system was still pretty small with the sole purpose or trying to destroy the entire bitcoin system and make fun of anyone that uses it or thinks it will work.  It wasn't some little prank.  We didn't all have tons of money wrapped up in bitcoins without seeing any major profit yet and then log into the forum, see it got pretty much destroyed, and think oh that's fucking hiliarous.  If you weren't here when it happened, you're just showing how unbelievably stupid you are and you're making piles of enemies so you might want to shut up if you have any sort of sense.

Btw give me an admin login to a website you own and I'll be able to demonstrate for you with a real world example exactly how funny we all thought it was.

You would be surprised how many educated people who have day jobs are occasional drug users. Weed and other "light" drugs are actually very widespread in intellectual and artsy social circles Many people argue that marijuana is actually a less dangerous and less addictive drug then alcohol or tobacco. Meanwhile cocaine is frequently consumed by musicians, actors and wall street traders as an exit from the job stress. These people are above averagely educated and have jobs. Drug usage is not only the heroin addicts in the gutters.


You are obviously very upset. Yet I fail to see how this is linked to my reply.

I was here when it happened - my registration date is one day after yours.  You've spent a grand total of just under 4 days logged into this forum since you joined, which might explain why you're so out of touch with the opinions of the community in general that you think you'd get any support here for the proposal in your OP.

Out of touch with the world too.


You need to meet some drug dealers desolator, try getting out more.

You sir are a moron.. People do drugs all around you.. They see you and know to hide it because they dont want to deal with police.

Not to mention that SR is one of the things which drove BTC adoption last year.  What do you think the impact of them changing from BTC to another form of payment such as one of the alt. currencies would be?  If BTC can no longer be used for SR transactions, the hit to BTC is going to be greater than just the loss of 20% of transaction volume each month.

+1

It's a currency.  People trade it. 

Point number three got me to chuckle.  I  didn't see that one coming.  LOL  ;D

I don't see this ever happening. You might see SR style sites using Alt currencies but I believe that SR would shut down prior to adopting another currency.

This

bookmark this page, as you have all now witnessed THE stupidest thing ever posted on this forum.

Btw for the last time, I'm not saying we need to go out on a crusade and destroy all drug dealers using BTC.  I'm saying it'd be funny to mess with things and take money out of their pockets.  What's wrong with that?  They're assholes breaking the law.

Oh and you can take all your pro-drug bullshit and shove it because here's the absolute truth.  Drugs are for people to unhealthily deal with their problems and as a temporary replacement for dealing with actual psychological problems.  All that BS about it being really healthy and an okay thing to do and respectable people use them and they don't really damage your health are basically on the same level as people's excuses when they get a speeding ticket.  People can justify anything they know they shouldn't be doing when they know they're wrong.  Keep living in pretend land though if that works for you.

Have you seen the lending subforum?

I have not :P is it a circus?  ;D

Good people break bad laws. That is true of speeding and of drug use.

Legally wrong doesn't equate with morally wrong.


Pump&Dump is morally wrong - drug use isn't.

Couldn't get enough truth, huh?  Okay.  People a lot smarter than you have determined drugs are damaging to society, human health, and are not a magical cure for all of society's problems.  That third one took even less time to determine than the first two :P

If they were as beneficial as drug addicted people in denial say they are, logically they would not be illegal.  Puppies make people happy.  Puppies are not illegal.  Meth makes people happy.  Meth is illegal.  What's the difference between meth and puppies?

If a substance is not unhealthy, damaging, or addictive to a certain degree, it is not illegal.  The end.  If you think you're always right and society is always wrong and the gov doesn't want you to use drugs because they're just too awesome and gun, you're a paranoid sociopath or just delusional.

That's right, shocker, drugs won't solve your problems.  They'll make you feel like they are but they're not.  They're a waste of time, money, and everyone else's health insurance premiums.

I think that the problem here is that Desolator's view of drug dealers/users probably comes from what he sees in the media. The ones that are stupid assholes who get caught all the time. I admit that this is a large percentage of them. Probably very large. However, I don't think that most of the Silk Road users fall in this category. I've visited Silk Road's IRC channel. The users there were extremely friendly and intelligent. A lot of them knew way more about Bitcoin, Tor, PGP, cryptography, and even computers in general than I did. I don't mean that they just knew HOW to use that stuff. They knew ALL ABOUT that stuff. They did their research. They could explain in detail how it all works.

That said, I'm not really "pro-drug." I don't have anything against things like weed, but some of the crazier drugs are kind of a gray area for me, because some people end up hurting other people. I can't really say I'm completely against because some people take safety precautions to make sure they don't bite someone's face off while they are using.

Anyways, whether drugs are ok or not, taking people's money like Desolator wants to do is definitely not ok.

I just find it ironic that Desolator's so anti-SR when it's pretty obvious he got into Bitcoin during the bubble which was fuelled by Silk Road's existence.  Those who were involved in Bitcoin prior to that bubble - whether they were mining or buying BTC - we're in little danger of losing money when BTC prices went into free-fall last year.  The people who were pissing their pants when the bubble burst were those who got involved at a time when Silk Road was the Bitcoin killer app. driving speculation on Bitcoin.  In February, 2011 - when SR launched - BTC was about parity with the USD.  Following the launch of SR, it climbed to about USD 10, it's value exploding when Gawker made the existence of SR - and by extension, Bitcoin - known to the general public in June 2011.  Apparently Desolator had no moral qualms about getting involved in Bitcoin despite it's value at the time he became involved being substantially driven by Silk Road.

What about all the pharmaceuticals released by greedy RX companies? They are driven by greed not by helping people...   In my stupid City everyone uses Oxycontin instead of heroin. Does that make it ok ?


The government does not make money off of you buying Meth. But they do make money off of you buying that puppy... THE END ya douche bag.

The Irony, people like you ruin the world my friend.

And whats your stance on alcohol and tobacco?

The only person thinking there always right here seems to be you.

Like I said earlier, try getting out more, travel, broaden your horizons.

I think dude needs to burn a fatty of some Silver Haze or Hashplant... Only then could he realize how stupid he sounds... :D

edited.

Hahaha, he's probably 'that' guy who greens out from a toke.

All this 'we're educated and dont do drugs' I can only guess he never went to college or a university? Shit, I would love to meet this guy in real life, would be jokes.

That's not fair :P My wife turned white her first few times... She never toked until we got together...... almost 10 years of regular smoking and damn we're doing just fine... :)

We enjoy long mountain bikes with a nice doober half way through :)

Dont be silly Andrew, you and your wife are just clearly hiding from your problems, like all drug users!

Mountains and dope = you know whats up  ;)

Drugs I mean smoking I mean rolling is bad..

I'm 25 and I never drink and never used tobacco because unlike some people, I am smarter than 2 year old.  2 year olds have to try something first to believe for themselves that it's damaging or dangerous.  Older humans can use evidence and research and observations to actually make that determination ahead of time.

Here's what it really boils down to.  Anyone who comes home from a stressful day or has problems at home or is having trouble in school and uses any kind of drug to feel better is NOT HEALTHY.  Anyone who has to do that is downright pathetic.  That is not a proper way of dealing with your problems.  It's a pretend good feeling that doesn't solve anything and people like all of you know damn well it's bad and wrong but thinking that way makes you sad so you justify it every way possible.  Then when someone pokes holes in your theory and your little pretend bubble of "drugs are good" thinking starts to deflate, you freak and lash out at them.  Grow the fuck up, get a life, get off of drugs, and deal with your shit already.

Must suck to trying to live with such a superiority complex.

You're right, now where's my internet equivalent of a shotgun?

i think that would be your Low Orbit Ion Canon : ;D

The most fun this dude has probably had is watching a porno with his dad and riding on a roller coaster with his dad....


hmmm.. get a girlfriend.. Get all whacked out on MDMA and see how exciting your life can be :)

+1

and since when is weed a drug?
and since when are drugs bad mkay?
(everything in moderation ofc :P )