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Title: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: Spendulus on October 14, 2015, 07:38:39 PM Is this a very bad thing according to Islam?
Just curious. http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/009917.html Editing Pig Genomes To Grow Transplant Organs For Humans CRISPR-Cas9 gene editing technology was used to disable 62 porcine endogenous retroviruses (PERVs), which it is feared could cause diseases in humans if pig organs were transplanted into humans. Geneticist George Church has co-founded a company that is developing genetically modified pigs to grow organs for human transplant. They did additional editing to reduce the threat of human immune response to pig antigens. Pretty cool stuff. What ought to be done as well: additional editing to make the pig organs age more slowly. That way the transplanted organs will last longer. Domestic farm pigs only live 6 to 10 years. Those pigs grow to 500+ pounds. The miniature pigs live 15 to 20 years and grow to 32-75 lb. Still rather short-lived. Moderate sized pigs between those two sizes also have life expectancies between those two sizes. How to make pigs live longer? We need to discover a large number of genetic variants that enable humans to live longer, find corresponding locations in pig genomes, and edit those locations. We need to gradually reword the pig genome to be much more like the human genome: much longer lasting parts, no immune incompatibilities, no embedded virus dangers. Also, take a lesson from elephants and add more copies of the p53 gene to slash cancer risk. Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: Lethn on October 14, 2015, 10:31:38 PM Let me put it this way, Islamists are going to make PETA look like minor pranksters if they ever get wind of that research and find out who is doing this.
Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: Spendulus on October 14, 2015, 11:02:09 PM Let me put it this way, Islamists are going to make PETA look like minor pranksters if they ever get wind of that research and find out who is doing this. Seriously. I have no clue what they would think about this. It's not related to eating pigs. Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: popcorn1 on October 15, 2015, 03:01:23 AM Let me put it this way, Islamists are going to make PETA look like minor pranksters if they ever get wind of that research and find out who is doing this. Seriously. I have no clue what they would think about this. It's not related to eating pigs. they will feel closer to home then :D :D Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: vero on October 15, 2015, 07:08:00 AM I hear the pork is unclean for islam , because it comes from a pig, which is an unsanitary animal. islam allows the eating of clean animals such as cows and chicken etc.
Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: BitHappy24 on October 15, 2015, 07:46:29 AM I hear the pork is unclean for islam , because it comes from a pig, which is an unsanitary animal. islam allows the eating of clean animals such as cows and chicken etc. This part is true from what I've been told Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: Lethn on October 15, 2015, 07:52:39 AM If it came from a pig and they're mixing in human DNA they won't give a fuck if it's just for meat and they don't eat it, they'll see it as an abomination because people are mixing the DNA with a human beings, that's what will cause them to go apeshit over it, I can see it a mile off.
Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: Spendulus on October 15, 2015, 11:32:54 AM If it came from a pig and they're mixing in human DNA they won't give a fuck if it's just for meat and they don't eat it, they'll see it as an abomination because people are mixing the DNA with a human beings, that's what will cause them to go apeshit over it, I can see it a mile off. I think you are correct but I'd like to hear comments from people that know the culture and the verses of the old book. It's not "eating" it's "becoming", sort of. Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: darkangel11 on October 15, 2015, 01:40:04 PM When pig organs become a normal thing we'll just have less muslims in the world. People will live longer and muslims who won't accept these transplants will choose to die and go to heaven to play with their promised virgins. Simple ;)
Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: Pentax on October 15, 2015, 03:05:06 PM WTF is this guy thinking. Stop wasting time on this and genetically modify pigs to produce more and leaner bacon.
The world has too many people already. Saving them is like hitting mother earth in the junk with a hammer. Bacon, I tell ya..... Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: Pentax on October 15, 2015, 03:06:11 PM Oh, and I don't care what Islam thinks. The fundamentalists in that religion have proven themselves beyond a reasonable doubt to be certifiably insane, so their opinions on anything don't matter any more than the ramblings of any other village idiot...
Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: panju1 on October 15, 2015, 03:36:01 PM There was talk about muslims being offended by piggy banks.
So I guess they do have something against pigs. :P Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: Lethn on October 15, 2015, 03:45:04 PM If it came from a pig and they're mixing in human DNA they won't give a fuck if it's just for meat and they don't eat it, they'll see it as an abomination because people are mixing the DNA with a human beings, that's what will cause them to go apeshit over it, I can see it a mile off. I think you are correct but I'd like to hear comments from people that know the culture and the verses of the old book. It's not "eating" it's "becoming", sort of. You know what I mean though right? The thought of mixing a pigs DNA with a human's will disgust them even if it's not eating. Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: BADecker on October 15, 2015, 03:54:12 PM WTF is this guy thinking. Stop wasting time on this and genetically modify pigs to produce more and leaner bacon. The world has too many people already. Saving them is like hitting mother earth in the junk with a hammer. Bacon, I tell ya..... Right! And genetically modify the pigs to kill off all the other edible animals in the world, so that all the Islamites starve to death. ;D Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: Spendulus on October 15, 2015, 09:15:45 PM If it came from a pig and they're mixing in human DNA they won't give a fuck if it's just for meat and they don't eat it, they'll see it as an abomination because people are mixing the DNA with a human beings, that's what will cause them to go apeshit over it, I can see it a mile off. I think you are correct but I'd like to hear comments from people that know the culture and the verses of the old book. It's not "eating" it's "becoming", sort of. You know what I mean though right? The thought of mixing a pigs DNA with a human's will disgust them even if it's not eating. I won't eat ants, eels, etc but some people love them. Now would I care if some seriously great medicine came from an eel? No. I'd take it. But hey other people are different. I think the reason this has came up is that pig dna is the closest to human. Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: designerusa on October 20, 2015, 12:50:19 PM Muslims do not like pigs basically for no reason. My own family member who was Muslim once said "they say pigs are dirty and eating poo, so what about chicken? They do same."
So it is just ironic. Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: tom555 on October 20, 2015, 03:46:31 PM dont too objective, lets see the affect of that genomes,and may be it the only way.
Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: irfan_pak10 on October 20, 2015, 05:54:25 PM Muslims do not like pigs basically for no reason. My own family member who was Muslim once said "they say pigs are dirty and eating poo, so what about chicken? They do same." So it is just ironic. lol Seriously? Its Hram, Because Of Few main and Big Reason 1. The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef 2. When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the meat so what little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can be filtered by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to digest the meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time. 3. When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms. 4. Qur'an, Holy book of Muslims also prohibits consumption of pork. and Many More reason Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: Spendulus on October 21, 2015, 03:31:22 AM Muslims do not like pigs basically for no reason. My own family member who was Muslim once said "they say pigs are dirty and eating poo, so what about chicken? They do same." So it is just ironic. lol Seriously? Its Hram, Because Of Few main and Big Reason 1. The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef 2. When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the meat so what little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can be filtered by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to digest the meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time. 3. When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms. 4. Qur'an, Holy book of Muslims also prohibits consumption of pork. and Many More reason Is this a very bad thing according to Islam? Just curious. http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/009917.html Editing Pig Genomes To Grow Transplant Organs For Humans CRISPR-Cas9 gene editing technology was used to disable 62 porcine endogenous retroviruses (PERVs), which it is feared could cause diseases in humans if pig organs were transplanted into humans. Geneticist George Church has co-founded a company that is developing genetically modified pigs to grow organs for human transplant. They did additional editing to reduce the threat of human immune response to pig antigens. Pretty cool stuff. What ought to be done as well: additional editing to make the pig organs age more slowly. That way the transplanted organs will last longer. Domestic farm pigs only live 6 to 10 years. Those pigs grow to 500+ pounds. The miniature pigs live 15 to 20 years and grow to 32-75 lb. Still rather short-lived. Moderate sized pigs between those two sizes also have life expectancies between those two sizes. How to make pigs live longer? We need to discover a large number of genetic variants that enable humans to live longer, find corresponding locations in pig genomes, and edit those locations. We need to gradually reword the pig genome to be much more like the human genome: much longer lasting parts, no immune incompatibilities, no embedded virus dangers. Also, take a lesson from elephants and add more copies of the p53 gene to slash cancer risk. Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: panju1 on October 21, 2015, 07:55:37 AM lol Seriously? Its Hram, Because Of Few main and Big Reason 1. The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef 2. When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the meat so what little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can be filtered by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to digest the meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time. 3. When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms. 4. Qur'an, Holy book of Muslims also prohibits consumption of pork. and Many More reason If you are so worried about meat, you should consider vegetarianism. Comes out top in all the factors that you have listed above. Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: gogxmagog on October 21, 2015, 03:13:22 PM I hear the pork is unclean for islam , because it comes from a pig, which is an unsanitary animal. islam allows the eating of clean animals such as cows and chicken etc. This part is true from what I've been told the belief comes from the fact they are a desert people and thousands of years ago, without refrigeration, it would be dangerous to eat pork. we have refrigeration now, the custom is no longer necessary, but try explaining that to a religious maniac. also try asking what is the difference between Halal and Kosher... the Jews and Muslims hate each other so much but to me they look and act pretty much the same. Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: erre on October 21, 2015, 03:19:01 PM Muslims do not like pigs basically for no reason. My own family member who was Muslim once said "they say pigs are dirty and eating poo, so what about chicken? They do same." So it is just ironic. lol Seriously? Its Hram, Because Of Few main and Big Reason 1. The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef 2. When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the meat so what little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can be filtered by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to digest the meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time. 3. When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms. 4. Qur'an, Holy book of Muslims also prohibits consumption of pork. and Many More reason Please provide some sources about that claims, they really sounds as bullshit.... Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: irfan_pak10 on October 21, 2015, 03:44:28 PM Muslims do not like pigs basically for no reason. My own family member who was Muslim once said "they say pigs are dirty and eating poo, so what about chicken? They do same." So it is just ironic. lol Seriously? Its Hram, Because Of Few main and Big Reason 1. The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef 2. When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the meat so what little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can be filtered by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to digest the meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time. 3. When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms. 4. Qur'an, Holy book of Muslims also prohibits consumption of pork. and Many More reason Please provide some sources about that claims, they really sounds as bullshit.... Can you Please talk with Some logic? I can see logic in your above post, can you please Prove me Wrong in all the above three Points? Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: erre on October 21, 2015, 04:20:59 PM Muslims do not like pigs basically for no reason. My own family member who was Muslim once said "they say pigs are dirty and eating poo, so what about chicken? They do same." So it is just ironic. lol Seriously? Its Hram, Because Of Few main and Big Reason 1. The meat and fat of a pig absorbs toxins like a sponge. Their meat can be 30 times more toxic than beef 2. When eating beef or venison, it takes 8 to 9 hours to digest the meat so what little toxins are in the meat are slowly put into our system and can be filtered by the liver. But when pork is eaten, it takes only 4 hours to digest the meat. We thus get a much higher level of toxins within a shorter time. 3. When a pig is butchered, worms and insects take to its flesh sooner and faster than to other animal's flesh. In a few days the swine flesh is full of worms. 4. Qur'an, Holy book of Muslims also prohibits consumption of pork. and Many More reason Please provide some sources about that claims, they really sounds as bullshit.... Can you Please talk with Some logic? I can see logic in your above post, can you please Prove me Wrong in all the above three Points? When you claim something, you need to prove it. It's not like that if someone says "the moon is made of cheese" I need to go on the moon to prove it's not. I claim the pork to be toxic just as the other types of meat, and I can say for sure (due to some basic fisiology knowledge) that your description of the process "fast digestion--> fast toxic action" is highly unprobable. Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: troleybüs on October 21, 2015, 05:26:17 PM Basically eating pork is forbidden because they are dirty animals, they live in the mud and eat their own piss. But same situation is valid for chickens and there isn't any rule about them.
Time will change the culture and life style. Conservative minds can't accept this fact. Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: Gimpeline on October 21, 2015, 06:25:50 PM The bible says pretty much the same.
Leviticus 11:7-8 And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you. Guess the difference between christians and the Muslims when it comes to the pig is that Muslims takes their book serious Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: erre on October 21, 2015, 08:23:29 PM The bible says pretty much the same. Leviticus 11:7-8 And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you. Guess the difference between christians and the Muslims when it comes to the pig is that Muslims takes their book serious Leviticus, 11:12 " Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be regarded as unclean by you." Also a lot of seafood is forbidden. Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: RodeoX on October 21, 2015, 08:30:34 PM The bible says pretty much the same. So many American Christians seem to be unaware of there own religious rules. Yes, it is a sin to eat pork, to eat non-fish seafood, for women to uncover their head...Leviticus 11:7-8 And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you. Guess the difference between christians and the Muslims when it comes to the pig is that Muslims takes their book serious These are Gods rules for ALL people of the book. I guess they are hoping that God was just clowning around when he made those up? Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: Spendulus on October 21, 2015, 09:19:08 PM The bible says pretty much the same. So many American Christians seem to be unaware of there own religious rules. Yes, it is a sin to eat pork, to eat non-fish seafood, for women to uncover their head...Leviticus 11:7-8 And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you. Guess the difference between christians and the Muslims when it comes to the pig is that Muslims takes their book serious These are Gods rules for ALL people of the book. I guess they are hoping that God was just clowning around when he made those up? K, then let's have the Christians answer the question of the OP as well as Muslims. Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: pilscoop on October 21, 2015, 09:25:58 PM All Islam aside, this is just amazing. Pigs are the best animal there is, they're delicious, they can be cool as pets too and now this. What a time to be alive!!!
Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: troleybüs on October 21, 2015, 09:35:13 PM All Islam aside, this is just amazing. Pigs are the best animal there is, they're delicious, they can be cool as pets too and now this. What a time to be alive!!! I live in a Muslim country, I ate some pork made food and don't like it. I don't recall its name, it was in a tube, mixed with chills and sauces. I guess everybody really have different taste. Title: Re: Question about pigs and Islam Post by: Spendulus on October 21, 2015, 09:47:30 PM The bible says pretty much the same. Leviticus 11:7-8 And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you. Guess the difference between christians and the Muslims when it comes to the pig is that Muslims takes their book serious Leviticus, 11:12 " Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be regarded as unclean by you." Also a lot of seafood is forbidden. Now that's just plain unacceptable. No shark, no shrimp, no calimari. |