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For a long time on this forum, I see people demonizing newbies for anything. From What I see, a new is considered as someone who doesn't 'know anything and is not supposed to say anything. Whatever you do, you will be told that "you are newbie". I ask myself, does it mean that newbies don't have a voice?

I realized some people build up their accounts and sell them when they are on a higher rank. They then start another account of which they will definitely start as a newbie. Can this person also be considered "worthless"?

It's not that newbies are worthless, but that their questions are frequently things that can be answered with a simple search. Many times newbies will ask a question without either googling the question first or scrolling around the forum a little bit and reading threads that may also answer their question. Additionally, it is irritating for many members when newbies don't read the stickied threads of rules and then promptly complain about their threads being removed because it violated the rules.

Human beings have a tendency of believing that anyone who is new on anything doesn't know at all. If I start another bitcointalk account, I will start as a newbie but I am experienced here. The ranking on bitcointalk is meant to allow members to progress step by step as they gain reputation and trust from the community. The only problem is that people start new accounts to scam people. That is why a newbie will not be trusted until he stays long enough and becomes known to other forum members.

The newbies are regarded everywhere as people who do not yet know much about how the board works, that's why people think they have no knowledge about it.
But even if that is true, they will eventually understand the functioning of these forums, and to integrate in this forums.

In 2016 I don't think you can regard all newbies on this site as idiots. A lot of people with high ranked accounts have sold them, you never know if a newbie is really a newbie these days (hope I explained myself well here).

The only thing newbies are not capable of in this forum is them to be trusted. Their accounts are worthless so doing something against forum rules or decent human etiquette will be easy for them. However they do have a say when they prove that they have a good intention. It's not that they are foolish, they are just untrustable.

Many times the opposite is true, i mean very experienced member make new accounts to promote some services and most likely thats are scams. That's why everyone should always pay attention on "Newbies" accounts. Experienced users know that already and very fast can understand what is going on..

Most of the "newbie" accounts nowadays aren't really newbies, anyways. They're either trolls, people who want to hide behind a new face, or account farmers, and most of the people under those categories can be ignored 99% of the time.

And when you say that many newbies are created just to vouch for something, I suppose that could be correct but keep in mind that newbies aren't given much room to give reputation because of their lack of time dedicated to the forum. That's why many vouches are given to reputable/high account status accounts.

The answer to your question is here the link

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=207.0

See yobit thread, you find a lot of people do question like:

"I am XXX can join the signature campaign my rank Newbie"

Are many newbie members who ask this question, but on the first page of the yobit thread has the rules of signature campaign that says do not accept newbies. people not want read ...

Another subject "scammers"

Many newbie are scammers, create account to promote their websites ponzi they does not intend to come to the forum to learn, they want to steal.

Of course! Nobody will risk reputation of trusted account! To promote Ponzi, HYIP or other scam services they just open new accounts and wihout problem are spamming links to their services. I think that most likely because of this practice people don't trust newbies.

Only if you act foolish i guess.

On some subjects it's easier and better to rely on some long term members.

I think newbies are mostly just new to bitcoin and may not even know how to search on this forum yet. I know I was that way and there are questions that I ask that may seem stupid to others but if you are completely new to this, you need some guidance at first.

The thing with newbie is that you need to provide something to the group, whether it be information or whether you help and assist someone here.  You need to make a name for yourself and not be one of those who come here 2 or 3 times a month than want something from someone.

i considers not only newbie as fools because if someone else create new thread with asking similar questions without looking formerly the answers because they too lazy i think they were also fools

There are way to many newbie which do this.  Every day you can find a new member to this forum which posts, how do I get bitcoin, or some variation of this question.  Why do you not read or search the forum to find this question out.  You o not need to waste our time and ask what has been asked hundreds of times already.

Sure.  They have a voice.  But the vast majority of them use that voice to:

• Give horrible and dangerous advice
• Spew nonsense and repetitive crap
• Pump altcoins, pay-per-click advertising (falsely called "faucets"), HYIP, cloud mining, gambling, and other sig-ad crap
• Ask questions that can easily be answered by typing the exact same question into their favorite search engine (such as Google)
• Scam other users
• Ask how they can get "FREE MONEY"

Yes.  Definitely.

I am myself a newbie and i think being a newbie is not a bad thing.

People will always want to hide their identity when they want to scam. I believe some of the newbie accounts that are created to scam people are formed by highly ranking members on this forum. Otherwise you can not expect someone who is completely new to come here and start something that he doesn't know. They create the new accounts knowing that their real accounts are very safe, and therefore even if the new account created receives negative reputation, they will still run smoothly. I stand to be corrected.

This statement is completely false. None tries to oppose a newbie or doesn't accept their valued posts. Most of the time newbies will be advised not to get caught into the hands of scams because scammers always target newbies to make profit with their attractive earning methods.

Newbies are important because we need this crypto network to grow, so we must accept new people in.

Some will not bring much to the table, it is true; but many geniuses are still out there not having found cryptocurrencies yet.

you can't make rules and deal with everybody the same way based on those rules. so no the low rank on the forum doesn't make anybody fool or the opposite the high rank also doesn't make anybody wise or even trustworthy.

it is their actions that determine how much they know and how much you can trust their words.

do you mean that every new comer is a food? i do not think so. i think they are wise enough, their account will help them in long run. i think those people who create their account are lucky people. their accounts will give them benefit in future.

Yes I agree, but there are some who scoffed newbie but they do not know anything. I think people have forgotten the high position from which they start. Newbie opening does not mean, newbie mean new hope. Thank you

People don't have trust in newbies especially those who become members and start begging immediately. I have seen in several loan threads where a newbie with only 1 activity asking for a loan of 1 btc or even 10 btc. I ask myself why such a total stranger should be trusted with such big amounts. I know some of them search on the internet for ways of getting a loan and they find somewhere written that you can get a loan on bitcointalk. So when they register, their first thing is to start asking for loans

forum ranks are just ranks showing how much time you have spent on the bitcointalk forum and it has no more information than that. i even go as far as saying trust rating system is not showing anything for 100%.

all of these things are created for you to see and make a better decisions based on these information that you get.

If a newbie still asking for a questions repeatedly and the answer is just there on their front, that is a newbie with no time to improved themselves. A better newbie is those who improved day by day and not asking repeatedly unless there is a really a problem.

We can't considered that the newbies are fools because making a wrong decision is normal for a person who is getting started from this community. All members here start from being newbie and doesn't mean that they are fools from the start because they do wrong decision to find better answer to their confusion and also get experience.

hmmm

Some of the responses to your question  tend to support your contention that Newbies experience some degree of bias.
Some of these criticisms may well be justified.

Throughout my personal journey , for the most part,  I've found the majority of senior members of this community to be respectful, inclusive and helpful.

However,  there is also a faction of  obnoxious, posturing ego manics presiding over/participating in a number of important threads.

Some of these people appear to thrive on any opportunity to demonstrate their self proclaimed superiority over others having lesser knowledge/ experience/ English.

But then, that's life really isn't it :) . There are people like that everywhere you go.

I 'recon there's about a 10:1 world wide "regular Joe" to "total wanker" ratio.

This decreases dramatically depending upon your proximity to any center of academia or republican rally  ;D

I think people don't understand what a forum is meant for. I say this with those who like asking questions with obvious answers elsewhere on the forum. I may call it laziness to some extent because they don't have the time to go through the homepage and also read the newbie guide. All they do is to asking questions expecting forum members to answer.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, I don't think I've ever seen experienced members belittling newbies on the forum here. And I certainly never once felt like I was being taken for a fool when I was a newbie. Having said that, people here are a little wary of newbies and that's understandable. There have been in the past plenty of accounts created with the sole intention of scamming people.

I think the reason people dont like newbies, is due to the fact that anyone can make a new account and scam someone.

That kinda adds to the bad rep of newbs

Well, this lies always in the eyes of the corresponding person who says such things. I do not consider a newbie as worthless or something negative. I am glad for every newbie who is interested in this world of Bitcoin and crypto currencies. I just do not like it when newbies ask questions which have been answered thousand times before. They just need to do a quick search to find an answer for his/her question.

In P2P systems, a beginner is likely to receive unwelcoming treatment sometimes.

I read an article at following link which suggests that P2P systems / blockchain heavily relies on TRUST between it's members. Due to high possibility of scamming it becomes necessary to make new joiners realise the value of trust. That's where existing members may have to take firm stand on the way newbies behave.

http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/w7t2USNQs5Yh7WPPf9wxLP/Understanding-bitcoins-and-blockchain.html

Most of the people here think that all newbies are scammers and idiots, but I don't blame them, newbies are mostly scammers who only made an account to take a 'loan' and never come back. But we must accept new members and not close this forum to a circle of members. Some newbies are bad but we were all newbies before and we can't judge anyone for it. Ranks are just numbers, you have to have good reputation and be a good person to actually be a hero or a legend.

You might want to cite some valid examples regarding your statement. Most of the instances where newbies get bashed are instances where they ask for loans without collateral, act like an obvious shill, attempt to pull glaring scams, ask about things that a 2-second google search can answer or make irresponsible comments about things that they clearly know nothing about. Aside from those instances, newbies are only ever looked down upon when they act as if being a newbie is an excuse to do things that clearly require some modicum of trust as leverage. Despite having subforums for lending and business transactions, this discussion board is primarily and specifically one for the discussion of Bitcoin and various other aspects related to it (such as educating new users, spreading and promoting its use, etc.). This is not a lending website where a newbie can just waltz in and say "I need a loan. It doesn't matter that I'm a newbie since there's always a first time for everything."

And yes, someone who sells their account to another can definitely be regarded as, as per your words, "worthless". There is never a good reason for a person to buy an already established forum account. Anyone who is selling an account is someone who is aware of that fact yet obviously doesn't care.

It might be because back then,not many people have known bitcoin.
So users of this forum could feel like they are some kind of "elite" which uses it,and someone who doesn't know a lot about bitcoin is just worthless,right?

In such scenario. Mostly people with intention of marketing always want to promote something and these guy always thing for newbie as fool and want to engage them and get paid returns.

But I dont think so.

It all about integrity and knowledge along with power to understand things.

It tooks me personally 4 years to understand Bitcoin, Cryptography and 2 years to believe on it.

It may be vary person to person opinion.

i'll judge someone on the content of their post, not the number next to their name. some noobs might've been lurking for months and know plenty. this forum is important but there's a whole lot more to bitcoin than here.

I just came across this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1529296.0;topicseen) where a newbie created a post to ask about something that is in  dozen other threads on this forum. personally I have read several posts that discuss about the same issue of how  member can progress in rank on the forum. Is it that he lazy he doesn't want to go through the threads or he just wanted to create a post?

I dont think that we can consider them as fools right now,some might be even more intelligent or something than we are.
It is just a matter of rank and time and rank is actually some effort made into posting here,so it is not anything special right?
Dont pretend you are most important.

All.of us went to this rank. So i considered you as fool too.

It is very true every member of this forum was once a newbie. When someone has progressed in the ranks, he thinks that he is far much better than those lower him, thus newbie being considered as people who don't know anything. You will be surprised to find even a hero member writing crab, some cannot even construct a sentence properly. Therefore, ranking is only good to show how long someone has been on the forum and how loyal he has been. Otherwise, other factors remain constant.

hehe in other words all Bitcointalk users are fools  ;D

To be honest, when i read some post of higher rank users sometimes i think that they are drunk or smoke something.. and I just leave it and walk away .. For what wasting my time ..;)

Thats not the idea, all users here have been newbie once, and  all members here are mattered with time, patience and diligence in posting with constructive posts. But as of now its already 2016 and this forum was made somewhere in 2012. All they asked and what they will ask about the forum and especially the signature campaigns are answered already. So all they need to or me(if I'm newbie) is read , research(google) and ask questions in proper way or let us say in proper THREAD. Not just asking questions and making a NEW thread like spamming anywhere. But even right now I have so many questions about the forum or the Bitcoin itself coz I guess I'm still a newbie about bitcoin but still I'm not making some spamming questions and making new thread coz I know its not good if some MOD saw that thread but I ask in the local thread in my own language to make my self clear.

They just say that about newbies because most scams are done by lazy scammers whomuse new account and freshly created for that certain use .

No newbie is considered worthless. Everybody was a newbie once he started with bitcoins. Of course they have a voice like everybody else just people will likely not listen to the voice.

Most people I met on this forum are actually very helpful and friendly towards a newbie.

There are no stupid questions, just stupid answers.

Newbies are not bad persons or fools! but there are old member where used to be scams (and still there are ^^) but the roll new accounts to scam real newbies or even other members, if you take a closer look on alt coin section..
most of the shit coin dev are newbie accounts, but you can not believe that..the dev behind this account is a newb right ? he know how to code crypto coin, etc etc
that why most of newbies account are treated like that..

of course not.. they are just starter not fool. thats a big difference.

The argument is based on how some people react when a newbie asks something or comments on a certain topic. it is true that when someone is new, he/she will not be familiar with the new forum and end up either doing something against the rules or asking the obvious. The only problem comes in when a person creates an account and starts soliciting for money or promoting sites or services that are meant to scam people. That is why no one will ever issue a loan to a new. Similarly, a site involving promotion that has been created by a newbie cannot also be trusted. So, TRUST is the key issue here.

it is all about trusting people on this forum. Even in the real world, a new person cannot just come to the group and you start trusting him. The longer you stay with the person, the more you know about him and trust comes in. Therefore newbies are just like any other person only that they are not familiar to you.

Majority of the newbies keeps posting ponzi groups, HYIPS and their ref links to websites like those or alikes. Some other newbies keeps asking a question which has been already answered here in this very section quite a few times which means this kind of post will make that newbie look like "stupid" as apparently he did not know how to use the search button in this forum at the top right of the screen to make a search regarding his question before posting it. Some others will just go to the Currency Exchange and Lending section and try to scam there people and in the Lending section there are some who asks 5 BTC loan without collateral.
So the majority of the newbies is one kind of the persons described above , but there are also few newbies who don't make stupid questions, don't promote ponzies and don't ask for loan without collateral. This ones are very few but they exist in the forum. A nice example of such kind are persons who start a real honest business in the currency exchange area and keep it that way for a long time in this forum.

Only trolls pick on noobs.  Its not that they are fools, the trolls are fools.

Many newbies just repeat the same questions without checking the previous threads, many of them try to scam ppl here asking loans without following the forum rules, or promoting the ponzi schemes..
That's why i strongly advice newbies to take their time reading and learning here before posting anything.

Well,it's not a one answer question,there are some which really contribute and do good stuff while others post some silly things.You can find both of those types here,I'm sure you've already discovered it.

Newbie still worth to world of crypto because we dont know if they are the new adopters of bitcoin that they can make a new feature or store that we can use for the future..
every week i think we are increasing here and newbie are appearing month by month..

People who hate newbies are just snobs, everyone started as a newbie. If u cant help them, just turn away and do not insult others!

Very rightly said, we should help each other by sharing our knowledge and experiences, and as a newbie everyone has committed some mistakes, everyone is a newbie when he tries some new thing.

Newbies are NOT FOOLS. We are all the same here. All of us here starts from newbies also. All I can advise is read and explore in this forum. There many insights you can get here.If in doubt you can search first your question as it might have answers posted already or if theres none, you can post for a new thread so as to minimized the duplicate topic. Armed yourself with info you need.Learning is important here.Good luck :)

newbie Just a rank on this forum, and for the person not necessarily newbie. So never underestimate people only from rank newbie, because it is not necessarily. they do not understand anything or foolish or worthless.

Exactly! Everyone starts as a Newbie here and Definitely Newbies are not fools.

Wouldn't say fools per se. Just unexperienced of how the forums operate.
It will come in time just like any other thing in life.

You cannot link all Newbies to being fool's.  Some will read and learn from others mistakes so there is a lot of chances for someone new to be pretty "smart" for lack of terms just by learning from others mistakes.   And it depends on their goal in a lot of cases.

I would say it's the ones that are expecting to get rich quick, that are fool's.  As BTC is not  a get rich quick scheme, it is a investment.  The investment is a higher risk higher reward one then most, but still not get rich quick.   Those coming here to learn or use BTC long-term I think are on the right track.    A fool and his money are soon parted... is true in regular investments and also is true here.  But I strongly don't think all newbie's are fool's, and we all started there once.  So if you think newbie's are fools in a way we would all be fool's.

Thats not true. Because all members here are newbie once so as what you've said all members here are fools especially you, no just kidding. But as what I've observe newbie now a days are fools like before They post read first and dont make new threads coz its spammy all they ask are answerd I guess.

I think that a lot of newbies here are in fact alt accounts of other members that are being pushed into higher ranks.
So they ask simple questions and talk about it which cannot be considered as spam, because it is bitcoin related.

For older member that can be annoying, because they read the same stuff over and over again.
Still, I think it's not bad to read through some basics every now and then again.

there are more than 600000 users registered in this forum and from them 10% users are newbie and from newbies 60% of them are scammers/or follish and 30% are good users or the previous high rank users and the rest of 10% are multiple accounts which are being created for multiple purpose like account farming, Loans , spam etc

this topic is a good example of this fact that forum ranks doesn't show anything about the knowledge of the account owner. not everybody who is using bitcoin has an account on this forum and also not all the high ranks are knowledgeable for all we know he could have bought the account or he is a FUD spreader with an old account. (it goes both ways)

I think its just an rank on this forum, may be newbie would be holding great knowledge of bitcoin in compare to others and can share some valuable information which is not expected from others.

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No way newbies are not fools at all, we all were newbie when we entered the world of bitcoins, we need more and more people to join the community for the better prospects of bitcoin.

Newbie are not fools since all of us here begin to a newbie account. You can fools when you do something thats not good to this forum Either spamming  or do such nonsense topics or even nonsense post reply. You cant identify nowadays newbie account since some of them are alts of other users.

It is normal to find wayward elements in any setting.  In my local language,  there is a proverb that says every river has a snake and every market has a mad man.  Therefore,  we can not expect everybody to be good. People come to this forum with good intentions while others have bad intentions. It is the ones who come with bad intentions that spoil for those with good intentions because people will think everybody who is a newbie is bad.

Where do you come up with your numbers? What source did you use?
Oh I'm sorry, there is no source because you made them up.
Stop talking shit on the forum because its people like you who give this place a bad name.

I could care less what people label me, this stuff is a learning curve, and since I'm dealing with money even if it is very little, I have to walk over mine fields to be sure I'm doing something correctly.

This means I have to research and read 5 different articles before I actually take my next step. My browser could hold up to 40 tab windows before I'm satisfied in working out a problem I'm having to figure out.

sometimes the fact that they are not really a beginner. and I do not think the starters are not useful, but most beginners are too lazy, and very easy to make a thread. whereas the same thread is already available very much if he diligently read. when I was a beginner, I was quite diligent in reading, so I did not ask many questions, but when I really hard to find it, I'll start asking.

I don't consider newbies to be fools. The only thing with a lot newbies is that they don't read the rules, or at least browse through the forum to get the information they are looking for. Most concerns of newbies are... Why does my activity not increase while my post count is higher?... Can I join this signature campaign? (While the campaign is only for FM and higher).... And so on. When I join a site as newbie, I read the rules and browse through the forum before asking questions where the answers can easily be found without much effort.

Yeah right but not all because there is someone we can considered as fools but not all .. newbie are a new generation and hopes that can be contribute in the future if they planning to adopt it.. also some newbies are fools trying to scam someone or any bad idea using those newbie..

Yeah i line with you, because basically that makes us no newbie is experience. The more experience we will also be more understanding about bitcoin and from newbie we can become an expert. Because according to me anywhere and any expert stems from newbie and he learned to be an expert

In this forums newbies are  considered scammers.  That's the first impression of newbies. I came to sell things, but it's ain't easy.  No one trust you even if you accept escrow. You can't join any signature campaign if you are a newbie.  Even if there is any signature campaigns that accept newbies, it will be full or the pay is very low.

I recommend anyone with an intention to promote,sell or buy a service/product, to give up. Because either you invest in Sr.member accounts or don't expect anyone to notice you.

All of us started us Newbies. I must say that even a newbie must have the same respect as a Legendary member. They joined this forum too gain knowledge about BTC. And there is no such a stupid question they ask for it because they don't know and they are a newbie.

Really?
How much of them are the Signature Compaign Whores?

People will behave as they please, I have come to develop an attitude of ignoring those who think too highly of themselves.

I dont considered myself as a fool because i didnt do anything wrong to anyone as long you follow the rules and observe to your surroundings on what usually people do. There would be no problem. Just dont start a fight or argue to co-forum members. One thing is for sure even though im newbie but im newbie only to the world of bitcoin thats all. :)

Yeah right there is no fools if you are newbie here maybe the other newbies are asking for a loan without collateral
We can consider those fools they are trying to scam some people..

a newbie inbox shows below message while sending a PM - it outlines the need of trust in P2P dealings but again it may seem unpleasant to a beginner

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!

For me a fool is a veteran member that has forgotten how new this all is. We are all newbies here.

ARE NEWBIES CONSIDERED AS FOOLS?

They are, on almost every forum. So what? You have to pay your dues.

I'm new here, and from what I've seen so far I can tell that 95% of members here are fools to every topic they speak on, except for maybe all the weird things that this forum is obsessed about - "signature campaigns", whatever they are, btc gambling, bitcoin wallets, etc.

Every forum has a certain culture and accepted norms and you can't figure it out right away which is where you are at a big disadvantage as a newbie. But that's okay, if you spend enough time on a forum you can pick it up pretty quickly.

If you are a newbie and you ask for a loan then definitely people will treat you as a fool but if you are genuine and trying to learn new things honestly then everyone will help you for sure.

Agree we are all newbies, it's only about rank at least this forum already set up for anyone who violates the rules will get a warning.

I am still a newbie. I am still believing that newbies are not fool but they lack experience. The only thing missing here are Higher Rank members who does not appreciate new members entering this site.

I'm a complete newbie to this forum, and have only recently started to invest in BTC.

However, I'd say I'm pretty clued up on Cryptocurrencies. Have been doing my own research for years and have also attended various university presentations given by both internal, and external experts on the subject.

BTC isn't a difficult technology to grasp and any rules specific to this forum are listed quite clearly in the beginner's section.

Can definitely sympathise with longstanding members who have to endure needless ignorance.

Newbie is just a rank for the forum. The ranking can't represent whether the owner is a fool or not. In fact, many smart guys also started with newbie status. And some senior members are still fools.

Ain't that the truth, lol.

I am a newbie when it comes to Bitcoin and trading with Bitcoin because it is a new thing to me. But a newbie in this Forum, I've done my task to understand the rules and regulation. I am not the type of a person who will ask question which I know I can find the answer by hitting the search button in Google. :) Some things stated in here may be true, that some newbie tend to ask a lot of common question when it's already in the sticky discussion. All they have to do is to explore it. :)

This is a Big Mistake.
You need the internal search, using Zionist Google search engine.
For this just put in google search bare:
Your_Question_Text site:bitcointalk.org

Searching outside of this site can put You in hands of incompetent persons and scammers.

It depends what you mean considered fools.  There are more than one definition for a Newbie.  The newbies who come on here thinking they are going to ask for a loan or get free money, they are fools!!  Then you have the Newbies that are on here who have been around the block, they are just new to the forum and not to bitcoin as a whole.

Newbies are not considered as fools but considered as persons having low knowledge about bitcoins and working in it.

newbie account doesnt mean newbie on all of things. I think if Bill Gates create an account today, he is newbie in here.

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Lolz...completely agree with you, you cannot treat anyone wrongly only by looking at his rank as you never know what potential an newbie can hold.

no no one is fool here. i think we should respect each other. i think we were also newbie at some time. what do you think we were fool at that time. i think we should welcome to the newbie.

Newbies probably ARE considered as fools. Because peple who've been on this forum for a while remember perfectly well what they didn't know when they were new here.

the fools are the ones who attack them, i mean who wasn't a newbie when they started?

I think the right word to use here is 'IGNORANT' other than 'fools'. When a person signs up to this forum, he is new and does not know a lot things. That is why newbies will start asking questions that might seem obvious to older members on the forum. Others might have read elsewhere that when you become a member on this forum you can get a bitcoin loan, that is why some of them sign up and start asking for loans. So the best way to refer to them is ignorant but not fools.

I would not call Newbies Ignorant or Fools. They are just new to Bitcoins and the forum. It takes some time to learn the structure of the forum and how to use the search bar here instead of opening for every question a new topic. Given the high demand for signature campaigns and the activity in the "Beginners Section", I think people don't mind answering questions all over again even if there was a thread on this topic a week ago.
Most of the usere here I met are actually very helpful.

As you said, you actually never know these days if who is a newbie or who is a old user on this forum, because a newbie may buy a high rank account and stay in it which means he is a newbie but we don't know if he is a newbie, and also some users sell their high ranked accounts and start again with a newbie account which means the newbie is not a newbie but we consider him as a newbie.

Youre right, we cant judge a newbie as of now because some account have been sold especially to those have potential activity even they are newbie but the true user is a veteran so not all newbie are fools you can notice regarding to their post you can compare whos knowledgeable or not. So we cant consider newbies as fools.

Yes you are right, people who say newbie is fool same like he just saying it to himself
Every one is newbie when start, same like me i was newbie when i start to sign up to this forum

Student consider as a fool person because they want to learn something new. When they fool, they will figure it out what's the answer of every question on universe so on the future , they can understand how universe work.

When people start surfing on new forum, they will consider as fool , but they keep figure it out on how forum works so they can understand all things about forum

Newbie users consider like fools because they are most times beginners in bitcoin world but I am in other situatiom so i am not a fool.I have 19 more bitcointalk forum accounts and i know everthing about bitcoin and every type of sites where i can earn money and prifessional strategies for investment sites and gambling sites.I also know all bitcointalk forum rules and how to earn money in this forum.

Obviously, newbies are also humans like us, what will someone who is not a newbie feel if he is fooled by someone? the feeling is the same and getting fooled is not just for newbies, sometimes even old users get fooled by people but just newbies get fooled more because of less knowledge, but it doesnt mean they are fools.

Well i have not that experience till now as i am also a newbie here this is because may be i have not started any thread asking any silly questions.
There is already alot of topics in beginners section which can help a newbie like me.

I think the forum is actually very cordial to beginners. Some get angry responses only because they either don't ask nicely, or cannot write in complete sentences.

But as as an senior users I think we should help them and share our good and bad experience with them which will make them alert to not to the repeat a same mistake that we did in the past.

no i dont think so that newbie should be consider as fool. because every legendary was also a newbie in some time. so its not good to call him a fool,

Well... I had been reading some threads here for years before I registered an account here not so long ago. And having a newbie account I had some experience in mining and tried not to ask questions that had been answered hundreds of times before, not to shitpost and more to read than to post. Primarilly I registered in order to have means of communication with folks that were mining at the same pool as I did.
So yes, a newbie status doesn't always mean that a person has no competence in cryptocurrencies, trading or mining. But some newbies are really ignorant and annoying, just like in any other online or offline community, it all depends on a particular person rather than on the status.

Whatever they are or however they ask or write but we senior members of this forum are supposed to help them as we also have been in that stage once as well and just before you get angry on a newbie or call him a fool just think how you would feel if you were called that when you were a newbie and didnt know anything.

No never. because bitcoin is peer to peer network. And more n more will welcome to network.

Bitcointalk forum is great place to get newbie educate themselves from senior people.

Also there is need of more and more people to use this network of P2p currency and increase it value.
So I dont think that newbies are consider as fools.

But most of scam people trap newbies and scam them in may ways. And due to lack of knowledge or information newbies get scammed.

it is a part of a newbie strategy to make money. And they are  the worthless human who already step  up in this forum.

Sad to know there are people are after only to make money in this forum by selling higher account then back to newbie. They think only how to make money and thats not a wise decision, for me its better to make high rank account then build another 1 then another, in that case they can make money joining those accounts on campaigns.

I think that the rank for others make them think they are above as others. Newbies suppose to be Fools, I mean they are just new to BTC or this forum. We really just need some sensitive people to answer or accept what they are asking or saying.

probably some of them are really don't know this forum. sometimes they need someone to tell them how to start in this forum like reading threads. maybe those people rarely visit internet. don't blame them at all.

but if those newbies are curious and smart enough, they will open all of session in this forum before asking question. but it doesn't mean that those who ask the same question are fools. probably they just don't know if the question is ever asked.

Lets consider some newbies are really newbies on bitcoin world and yes  they need some answers regarding to their question but if you have time to look or searched in this forum you might find the answers of your question since thousand of threads are created and being answered already so theres no need to repeat.

That is obviously what i think, it is much better to just build up accounts and join campaigns to earn bitcoins then by just selling them and getting a income just once but from campaigns you will be earning everyday or every week.

Searching can be extremely frustrating if you don't have a powerful enough advanced search system to narrow down the results. I have myself tried to research topics on here a few times. Quite often you end up with a ton of irrelevant threads and it's a pain to sift through them all to find what you're looking for. It's much easier to just ask.
Personally, I don't have any problems with newbies starting topics/questions that have already been discussed before.

Newbies usually get play with by those people who love making fun of people that looks foolish. Some people even scam newbies just to have fun. Tbh, when I was a newbie, I easily believe what everybody above me is saying. I don't think if those things are realistic enough to be true, I just believe them.

There are some newbies though that are experienced in real life. Even if they are newbies in the real world, you can't actually make a fool out of them because they are wise and matured enough to tell if the other person is making them look dumb.

We got all that feeling that believing anyone whos higher than us even some things arent realistic enough as you say. I agree to that i experience such thing when im also a newbie too but in the end i just laugh at myself and thinking to those things before whom i believe soo much from higher ranks and realize that theyre just making fun of me.  ;D

Youre really right op for what you said cos people see Newbie in this forum as worthless why everybody in this forum also start as Newbie and If a Newbie is inexperience that doesnt gave anybody right to see a Newbie as a punk.

The ones who make fun of a newbie are actually the real fools, because if someone new comes to a place where we are already old we are not supposed to make fun of him but we are supposed to help him understand what we already know.

Where did you even get the idea that the non-newbie ones are supposed to help newbies? AFAIK there's no rule or something like that in this world.

People like to make fun sometimes and if newbies were never made fun of, or if they never got embarrassed, they wouldn't pursue into becoming someone whom you can't make fun of. Newbies should at least make some mistakes so they could learn lessons. Also, there are things that can only be learned by doing mistakes.

There is also many Newbies as alt-accounts of very experienced users and they open new accounts just to troll other users, or - what is worst - to scam other users. That's why i don't believe "Newbies"

It happens but it's up for a person if they will believe in a foolish attempt of that experienced user hiding from newbie account.

In this community, we have lots of person here who can do some wild statement and checking for that newbie asking or requesting for anything. From there, we can make it as a reference if we will help that person or completely ignore it.

I never heard that point you mentioned, no one believes newbies so how someone will open a newbie account to scam people?
Scammers always buy high rank accounts for scamming people because people after looking the owner with a high rank account think that maybe the service is trustworthy but actually the account is bought.

this is more like to ask whether or not babies are weak and helpless when they are born  , stating the obvious, of course newbies
always are fools at first that is why they called newbies, but like every one else they will learn if given time.

We know the account newbie because they are not trusted, then to the fraudsters who created the account newbie of course useless. so essentially fraudsters are not necessarily using the account newbie often use higher ranks. And remember do not easily trust people you do not know.

In this forum you cant say all newbies are fools since other newbies are some alts of high rank members especially to bought account which having a potential activity stored. Even they are newbie in rank but their knowledge would surpassed as yours. Dont judge  and generalize all here newbies are fools it might be a problem if you encounter some newbie but their intellect are legendary. lol

At the start yes. But everyone was a newbie one day. And i think newbies will ever exist.

Just wait until you see a newbie ask to join a signature campaign. You get so much hate. Just for shits and giggles, I made a newbie account and did this. I laughed my ass off.

Yeah everyone starts from newbie, because of his experience and he learned to be an expert. That's right at any time until there will always be a newbie, but it was nice because we know that it will create other experts :)

 Well why are sig-campaigns accept newbies like 777 and bitinvest. It means they are giving a chance for newbies to participate in this forum because people here think they are just here for the money. What do you think about the newbies?

Newbies are considered as new and naive people, or scammers that don't want to ruin their main account, or shills trolling or with some shady agenda.

Considering that multi accounting is allowed, then most of the times the other options are considered valid first

Before I think signature campaign is not that familiar and not designed for us to earn money, I think it is more like a reward for participating on threads, but now, it is being abused and been taken advantage by many.. But I don't think that newbies are fools, and high ranking accounts too, they don't just bash those newbies..

If you see a newbie talking with no sense in a thread and seems like they are talking to a wall, I don't think that they are newbie..  :D

I think a little social engineering and a little details on your deal to make it realistic could make someone scam anyone. Ever heard of Nigeria scam (can't actually recall the name). A lot of things can be done to scam you. You might not believe it but people usually trust other people whenever they feel safe around them. Scammers take advantage of that nature of humans.

TL;DR: Our mind has weakness and scammers use those to scam people.

The belief that a newbie mainly stems from us being criticized/ridiculed/Judged/Mocked/Embarrassed for not knowing something, these unfelt emotions generally stay with us into our adult lives. As such we live in a society where getting something wrong or not knowing is frowned upon and often time attacked, which logically makes little sense. For us to learn a topic the very definition of the word learn implies that we are ignorant on this subject until we have learned enough to fundamentally understand it.

Mistakes are a part of learning, this should be embraced not ridiculed.

Even there's no rule on teaching them but it all depends on ourselves. All of us is different and also have different thoughts and perspectives in life. Some would be helpful and some are not instead they fool them a the way. We experienced that situation since we already putted into that state of being a newbie. I do agree we learn all from our mistakes that makes us an experienced person as the day goes by.

Someone would never fool newbies if he has been fooled when he was a newbie because if he experienced that thing he would never like anyone else to feel what he felt in that situation, that is humanity and everyone should have this feeling i guess.

We were all noobs once, some of us here have been noobs many times over, as the saying goes, 'Don't judge a book by its cover'

The English idiom "don't judge a book by its cover" is a metaphorical phrase which means "you shouldn't prejudge the worth or value of something, by its outward appearance alone".

^ Latter source from Wikipedia

Exactly we should guide newbies in best possible way and ensure that they don't commit the same mistake as we have done in the past, we should assist them in proper way so that they don't get scammed at initial stage.

actually newbies are not fool, because people always start from newbie, its not always newbie is beginner, some of them already knew bitcoin for a long time but just discovered this forum, but sometimes newbie likes to spam, that is why the user like to label newbie as a fool

Apparently that's how this forum works. If you're a newbie, then you're account is worthless. People won't trust you unless you show them a valid point/thing or a solid proof. Most newbies here aren't actually a beginner but most are spammers. If a newbie has been in the bitcoin industry for a long time and he joined this forum, if he reveals himself and show people what are the things that he have established over his past experiences, then the newbie rank will almost be just neglected. It's a rare case though.

I agree they are just considered as fools because of mostly newbies do foolishness in forum like  the are just spamming all over but there are some newbies are already knowledgeable about bitcoin and all of us  are once newbies before and all i can say that i am not a fool when i was a newbie before  ;D

However newbies are not getting any reputation in this forum and they can't do a pm also without clearing captcha and there is not a numbers of signature campaign.
If rank get increase with potential till Jr member also that would be nice them...

Yeah the fact is there are not many signature campaigns for newbie so the only option left for them is to upgrade their account first and then join any campaign.

The fact that newbies are not getting a good reputation in this campaign because a few of them are spammers and just because of them every newbie has got the same reputation, whether a newbies has knowledge or not but he is considered a noob knowing nothing, it is just like if a town has some bad people so that town is considered bad.

Yeah, one proof is they dont know how to use search engine instead they are making thread similar to each other with the same question. And thats one thing that newbie arent making a good reputation imo.

That's really offending and not true, i personally use search engine but when i find results with not enough information i would start a thread so it becomes clear for me, that's my rights. Finding similar threads doesn't always means clarifying the search queries , maybe i found a thread with the same question as i have but it didn't explain what i needed or clarified my questions, so i will have to make a thread.

No one consider newbies as fools, just newbies behaviors are considered a little strange and not really following the forum rules sometimes, so we are here to guide and advice them.

How about someone that has great trust but act like a fool for example : scammer name Maidak
It's really difficult to notice that someday these newbie will able to be like him  :(

That's right, there is scammers even from the members with high ranks and sometimes with green trust as you noticed. And sometimes we find newbies making honest deals without any issue.

Exactly, but the problem is that we don't deal anyone face to face here so it becomes really difficult to trust anyone as I heard even some escrows ran away with coins of the people dealing with them.

not all newbies are scammers. since bitcoin is a new technology, lots of new people who want to know what bitcoin is, post questions. They should be welcomed and answered in a simplified manner.

That's true even I was scammed when I was a newbie, and as a newbie we always look on the ways to earn bitcoin fast and scammers takes advantage of it and scam us very easily.

I not belive newbies are fool or an easy target to scam

They should just use common sense and use their brsin before they deal

It's the same as in real life if a deal sounds too good to be true it's a scam or there is a hiden term or trick behind

Or will you blindly trust someone who say give me your car for a test drive and say i come back 100% i swear i think newbies would not be that fool so the should use the same sense on the internet!

Its not that people don't have common sense but those people have trick to scam you and that is the reason they are called scammers and ordinary people like us get cheated.

Well if they're newbies that means they're new and most of the time, they dont know that much they should and its higher chance that they'll be scammed. Also, no one will trust them that much since theyre newbies and there arent that many options for them at such lower ranks.

I think we should guide newbies on forum and should help them to stay away from scammers, and if a newbie will spend more time here then he will come to know what is genuine and what is scam.

Some newbies actually join here to become unwitting shills for a less than reputable "faucets", honestly, I made this mistake when I first started here. I joined to post transaction records for payment confirmations for a faucet that I later learned was a ponzi, to give the illusion that it was paying out. Unfortunately, like so many ponzis, it went scam.. I tend to stay out of that section of the board now, because not only did that happen right after I chose to invest in it foolishly, I also invested in another "ponzi" that turned scam after 2 years of operation where the admin falsely claimed to have been seized by the FBI. So yes, in a sense, I was foolish when I was a newbie, but learning from ones mistakes makes you wise.. usually.

This knowledge came from other members sharing their wisdom with me. So yes, there are "good" people that are newbies, seeking guidance and assistance, although sometime their questions can be random and answers can usually be found with a little searching, they are trying to find their sea-legs in a sense, and with proper guidance, they do not turn to the dark side.. :p

They would considered that if they get mixed up in questionable activity on the forum.
That can quite easily happen if they start to buy and sell then don't live up to paying back what is owed in a trade.
That to me is just foolish behavior from the unexperienced new members on the forum.
But you must live and learn.
The fools are the ones that do not and continue on their way with out a care in the world. :(

Apparently though that's not how scammers act these days. Scammers use an almost so true but still good offer. They know that people wouldn't give money if their deal is so good to be true. So they use a more realistic deal. Scammers are becoming smarter and smarter with more and more solid ideas. Most scammers fake BTC transactions to prove that they are legit.

Sometimes, common sense just isn't enough to avoid dealing with scammer. Only experience can teach you well and newbies lack experience.

Yeah, because most newbie do not know the variety of risks that could he experienced in the world of bitcoin. I know because this experience happened to me before. And for newbie also not too lazy to read and learn from the existing threads. Because with reading, newbie will not be regarded as a fool. IMO

We experience all here of being a newbie, and no one directly jump to a veteran and yes, its our responsible to learn into things that we dont even know or heard even before.
This forum have lots of information and guidelines  for you to learn.

No I don't think so, because someone just joined the forum doesnt mean that he or she doesnt know anything about bitcoin or has zero knowledge. People join here even if they are CEO of a company/startup and can have good communication/quality posts.

Exactly and we should not look at the rank but the contribution that he have made in his post, may be he will share some valuable information that no one else is aware about.

Some people get over excited when they enter a forum.  They are eager to learn and forget that a search is just a click away.  Also, posting is an opportunity to have your voice heard and some people forget that and post previously answered questions.
However, some 'status newbs' are trolls, account farmers, or want a new face. Be careful.

I think this can not be called stupidity, because we know some newbie still have little knowledge about this forum moreover they do not want to read the existing legislation and I call it lazy. So with that some of them prefer to make the same thread rather than having to bother to look for a similar thread and existing. thanks

This will always happen. Some of them might be lazy, but others just didn't know about it. I think once you created a new thread and people complain about the redundancy of this thread, you won't do it again.

Beginners are here to make mistakes.

Searching the forum for specific information can be a daunting task, it's a lot easier to just post a question directly.
I think it might help to have a read only section where information about Bitcoin is organized in a logical and comprehensive manner. We could have a separate thread where people could discuss/suggest things/ideas to add to the section. But the section itself would be read only and maintained by a mod or volunteer. Any comment posted in a thread would only contain updates to the topic. That way you won't need to scan dozens of pages to find specific info, like you would in a normal thread.

Yeah I know, some of them do exist that do not know. But there are also some who have been reprimanded and then do it again. My advice to the beginner should read more serious again and not have to ask all the things that already exists in this forum.

I think beginners here to learn, not to make mistakes. They made a mistake because of the limitations of their knowledge.

You both have right, but i think it was most because of Newbie users that was joining Signature Campaigns and start shitposting around the forum asking stupid questions again and again just to earn decent amount of Bitcoin.

Exactly, that the thing I say to most of the newbie posts here. :) but by the time they actually get some btc, they'l probably learn a thing or two about scams :D however better safe than sorry.

This was a long thread to read through.  My voice in this post is to say that I personally have been reading here for well over a year.  Maybe two.  I didn't decide to join on a whim.  There are times I will need help, but I promise you if you watch my posts you will see me giving back way more than taking.  Its just how I "roll".  I am a security and network buff and I beyond a doubt know my away around communications systems.  So for now sit back and don't trust me if you want, I am good with that.  In the military you earned your stripes and I will here too.  Why?  Won't try; I'll just give back and it will happen on its own.  I only want my readers to someday know they can bank on my guidance, and I will never ask to be paid for help.  I have had so much fun reading these forums and I have learned a bunch.  Take it or leave it, that is my story.

Yeah I was thinking like that, I think they actually know. However, they must meet the quota of the signature campaign and want to earn money fast. So they make a post in a hurry and less qualified. thanks

I wonder why campaigns keep on accepting newbies as participants, though some of them really has an idea, but some also just keep on posting on threads with nonsense posts...


Some of their posts are difficult to understand, you will have hard time reading and understanding it, but it's okay, as long as you understand it, compared to those one line posts that looks like a chat and much much better than those copy paste posts...

I hope one day signature campaign managers will be more strict in accepting new participants, there must be a requirement such as asking questions and the participants should answer in essay, ( but of course in PM )aside from the qualification according to rank...  :)

We just  made the same mistake when we are just a newbie  previously, I admit that i commit the same mistake like commonly newbie are experiencing but  even those mistakes  would be a stepping stone  to our journey in bitcoin career and later on as we  proceed we gain some knowledge and thats a good thing.

no.... i don't think so..we're just  a beginner and who knows I maybe the answer to much questions in this new world..peace! ;) :) :o

i dont think that newbies are to be consider as fool, because every legendary member was a newbie, and now reached to the rank of legendary, so it is not good to consider newbie as a fool, they are just like a new plant and they will grow and hope that they will bear fruits too.

You have point though, everyone  passed to through a newbie and no one skips that situation or rank for sure because all things have a beginning,right? So we dont consider newbie as a fool, maybe  most  newbie  consider as a fool because they  just keeping investing on those hyip/ponzi sites because of lack of knowledge  but nothing to worry in the future for sure he would realize all those mistakes.

Yeah, but I do not think so. The truth is that they may ever be stupid when newbie. But by learning and increase their experience in this forum. those accounts became legendary and the rank is considered not stupid anymore but I guess expert. Correct all plants need a process, as well as newbie. IMO

They just say that about newbies because most scams are done by scammers whomuse new account and freshly created for that certain use

We cant stop our development and all of us came from a newbie also, it depends on a newbie on how  he would  handle himself in able to learn things as the time pass by and how he utilizes all of those learnings its up to him if he would continue to learn or stop and making foolish things.

it's not really scammers because it's not new in the community that a newbies wants to do some transaction, thats an obvious scam. unless they are just an obvious alt accounts from higher rank with the same name. some would mean that they just used it for communication because there orig account is being held by someone else.

i don't think there is any difference between Hero/Sr/Full members and Newbies as there are already so many member accounts up for sale. just for mental satisfaction maybe? lol. one should go by the book and use Escrow/collateral/guarantee while dealing and all will be well in the end i guess! :)

I have seen many people that had account here with a random nickname but they have started a new startUp or they are offering a new service so they create a new account with the name of that and from this we can't say that this newbie is a total newbie.

Is this a fact?
I would like some substance to this new found knowledge. :-\

In my opinion,what he means is that some newbies may know a lot in bitcoin but they chose not to get involved or post any of their ideas here in the forum because they are too busy with something. That's why they stay as newbies because they only post once in a while and their ranks never got up.They just visit the forum and read some ideas or updates but don't usually post what they have in mind. You can't judge a person easily just because his rank is lower or higher than yours and newbies are not fools.

That's right, just a rank newbie on this forum. For the owner of the account does not necessarily newbie. But most of the people who are already expert I do not think will use the account newbie, but I think there are still some people who are experienced in the world of bitcoin but the account he had still a newbie. hehe

It depends, some owners  would like to stay as newbie and some want to rank up their accounts. Some newbies with veteran knowledge would probably bought or  build up his account and other just use newbie account just to roam around in this forum to get some ideas he dont care what would be the rank is. Its people reference actually but we musnt consider all newbies as fools because we also a newbie once before.

agree..newbies are not considered as fools cause they are just starting all of us start on that stage. they are just luck of knowledge. i think fools are consider to be knowing the common rules but
ignoring to follow it.. they are some that fools because they are an alt account of an old member here and use just to troll or spam here in the forum. and i think that's what talking aboput newbie that fools. hahah

True, some old users  intend to  create  new accounts just to troll someone  in the forum thats why newbie as  considered as fools  because of those things as you said.
Pure newbies have dont enough knowledge  thats why they commit mistakes  sometimes.

no, newbies are very important for bitcoin as bitcoin needs more people, people only thinks that newbies are fools because they do many simple mistakes

Not just because of the mistakes, but nowadays a lot of the newbies signing up here in this forum are just attracted by the freebies that they can pick up.

That's great of course, but they don't know anything about the technology aspect of Bitcoin as that is not what makes them interested in Bitcoin. It's just the dust that they can collect.

I would like support the newbies because they come with business adoption for bitcoin. As you said they might commit any mistake but as they time goes they will not repeat it guys so just cheer up them and motivate them.

Newbies should be guided by senir members in this forum. Some  seniors does really help newbies some dont have any intention to cheer up or  guide those newbies out there. Even there no help from veteran members here  newbies can easily search for newbies section which they can read all useful informations here in the forum and  they must take time ti read into threads. Agree they usually  considered as fools because of the mistakes they made sometimes.

we're all start our rank of anythings from newbie. as i see in this forum, not all the newbies considered as a fool. but a few of newbies is lazy to read the threads or explore the forum content.
because of the goal is "how to get bitcoin from bitcointalk" make some of our newbie friends here post something without read something.

I agree with you, we all starts from newbie and we really dont have enough  knowledge about bitcoin  in those times but it depends on a newbie on how  he handle himself  on learning things without  a help from anyone. Newbies  considered as fools because  we usually commit mistake for the first time such as  joining those hyip ponzi site and also cloudmining but  as we commit mistakes we learn also from it and  never  do those things again.

That is the reason why newbies are considered spammers eventhough all of them are not same but just because some of them come here with the purpose of participating in campaigns and earn bitcoin so they just spam around without reading and understanding anything and that made a bad reputation for all newbies.

No they are not, it is just common to think that they do not have much knowledge about bitcoins. But that isn't necessarily true, and most of the time if it is, they are here because they are eager to learn.

Yes, they are considered fools for many people. But they aren't. People should show more respect for newbies. They don't know much about this world and they are here to learn, so it's very nasty when an "experienced" forum member mistreats a new forum member just because he doesn't understand how the things work here.

But there are many other people trying to teach many things to newbies also. That is a good point.

I suggest for high ranked members who think like that to review their posts when they were newbies ... and then try not to suicide  :D

Mistake of  one newbie  would be the mistakes of all, you are right  it affects all the reputation of all newbie rank because of those foolish things that some newbies do  like spamming in the forums which is a really bad  habit and a rule violation to signature campaigns and to forum itself.

we are fools when we begin anything and have no knowledge
and yes when we look back , you will laugh and feel embarassing :D

Yup you're right newbies needs support though if we are talking in this site we dont know if they are really newbie in this thing. Rank here doesnt depend how good you are or not. All of us starts as a newbie no one of us starts as a pro level so newbie is not a fool just starting learning things.

We start from newbie in real life  not only here in forum especially to those things that we didnt even know or even heared of and its already  normal for us to commit mistakes  always but  in  a matter of time we could learn from our mistakes and  we can avoid it nextime which  makes  us pro in the future.

Yeah, I also feel it. if you read the post that I made when I was a newbie. Actually, we have to give understanding to the beginners, and for the newbie should not be lazy to read it first before posting. Because I am sure no fool as long as willing to learn. thanks.

Lol that is damn right, the ones who say newbies are fools should remember or think about their own time when they were newbies and know that they are not fools but they lack knowledge about some things so we are supposed to help them but not to call them fools or something else.

Yeah,You are right,both,it's like everything in the life, you have to go slowly improving and when you look back things can be funny or embarrassing,lol.

Agreed,  all of us have  mistakes  when we are still newbie since we dont have any knowledge on some things thats why we  do foolish mistakes but as the  time goes by we learn from our mistakes and dont commit the same thing again since we already know what would be the result. Therefore,  learning from our mistakes  would  add to our experience in the long run.

I don't think that a fool is a proper word for a newbie but somewhat it is... maybe just in that moment when you discover it and go like " OMG one btc is xxx dolars?!" thyen you find faucets and start spaming them like crazy, thinking that you'll get rich fast and such... untill you realise that it's not that easy..

We cannot consider any newbie a fool just because he/she is new to bitcoin.He may be a guy who is very intelligent than all the others in his studies or work and just new only bitcoins world.So it takes some time for everyone to learrn some thing new so dont consider that newbies are fool and they can be much more intelligent also.

Why is this person is treating us as fools did you not even get to try as a newbie also?

I think that if the newbie is intelligent in studies or work, then he wont just jump on creating a new thread as soon as they open a account and ask a regular question about the forum, as their are so many pinned thread in beginners and help and other sections where if they take some time to surf and get knowledge then they wont ask like this silly questions.

Here only they newbie are getting question who just open the thread and run away without following it.

I think to consider a newbie worthless or useless and that all is not good. Why I say ? Think about this, if a scammer is clever he can make a newbie account and you will not make any notice and think he is a fool but then you to fool if he will steal some bitcoin. Also anyone here is knew once. Even satoshi  ;D

Right,  some  of newbies are intelligent enough  and  doesnt  intend to ask question since he knows already  that it might be posted somewhere else and thats the time he learns for himself in just  using the search button it really doesnt hurt for someone to use that  search button but  most of people dont know how to use it rather  than they choose to make redundant threads which already been asked and been answered in this forum.

I also done the same thing  when i was  a newbie  i never asked usch question because i already searched for it and there are tons of useful information here in this forum  just go to beginners section and you would know those essentail information that could help you a lot and also try to learn in every  thread that you read so that  it would be added on your ideas.

Lol, that is really not a good logic i guess as no one believes newbies so it is hard for a newbie to fool or scam anyone but people mostly use senior accounts to scam people because they believe them more than a newbie.

I never considered newbie foolish, as indeed they really newbie and do not know about anything, so it is natural. but the thing I hate is the newbie usually lazy to read.

All newbies are not new to this forum. Many newbies are well familiar with bitcoins and its benefits. They know where and how to earn bitcoins and know about what to do with the bitcoins. Almost all newbies read the threads and posts. Many newbies join in a signature campaign after they are well familiar with posting and rules of the campaigns they are applying for.

Most of them are unfortunately. :-[
Due to lack of experience and given wrong information from sources that they do not research for themselves.
Because most want a free ride. :P ::)
And we all know in this world, there is no such thing as this.
You have to work hard for anything in this life and pay your dues just like the rest of us all! >:(

Yes i was also a newbie and i didn't asked anyone or created threads for each of my answers. I will create a thread when its too emergancy or i am stuck in a problem then i will create one and i know users will help me with what they know

of course, theres mostly explained in the read me topic, but what if they need a suggestion or something taht would involve an individual to explain..

That kind of attitude is really good because you are using your commonsense compared to those lazy newbies out there dont know how to search on their questions, beginners section helps a lot when you are just starting up. Search bar is there and was made for a purpose for anybody. They are just to lazy to find and keep on creating the same question that has been answered already again and again.

We can only judge a newbie by his behaviour and not by its rank in this forum. If the newbie is obviously lazy and knows nothing, then he will be considered as a fool by most people. Otherwise, they'll leave the "newbie" rank alone and respect that user. There are people out there that have such high activities and post count but knows very little. I think there are rare cases here that a newbie actually knows a lot about bitcoin and the only reason why he's still a newbie is because he just found this forum.

Well yeah, because newbies does loads of dumb mistakes, often mistakes that other people that are not newbies wouldn't do that, so people think they are dumb

Well, when a newbie doesn't know much, then he or she can get all the information they look for as there are enough people here to answer their questions.

However, the main problem is the way a lot newbies ignore the rules because they either don't care, or simply had no interest in reading them.

Most of the sticky threads contain a lot information and are easy to spot. If you still break rules or ask questions that have been in the sticky threads, then yes, your a fool.

Some newbies are genuine and want to learn.
But there are a lot of newbie accounts especially made for farming or scamming. And that's where the problems start imho: a lot of spam (to increase the rank faster) threads and posts, a lot of threads with FUD made as first post of an account (I mean, come on...!) a lot of newbie accounts asking for loans, scams supported "vouched" by newbies and so on.

Remember that "great" (fake) 1000BTC "giveaway"? I can only imagine how many new accounts were made only for posting once into that one thread.

I agree not all newbies are fools there are some which is serious on learning  on things but some just created on scam purpose or those farmed account same as you said. They considered as fool because of their traits on the forum thats why other newbies are being affected especially to those  who are really serious.

They just say that about newbies because most scams are done by lazy scammers whomuse new account and freshly created for that certain use .

We also become a newbie, we all came from being a newbie. So I would the newbie be treated as worthless. They are smart. For they got the courage to be part of our community. They are good enough that they want to learn that's why they are in this community

True,

But circle always complete.

As if higher reputation member were also newbie at first time same as newbie can also become higher reputed member by contributing to form.

And I believe no is perfect as newbie can also be smart more than any hero or legendary member but have to prove it by supporting this amazing forum where you can get all your needs at one place.

the same for me, everyone needs to learn at first and i was a newbie once so its not too big of a trouble

I think not. There are also smart newbies.

They are more than likely not their own account and either obtained from a hack or purchased.
Those that trust these kind of users should be warned that they are not whom they appear to be and to not deal with them in the future.

What means smart newbies? In my opinion smart newbies just read and learn. This all thread is against "Newbies" that playing with experienced users just to troll, cheat, or just do pist offsomeone.

In real talk there are newbie rank or new accounts made by another veteran member which used just to troll someone in the forum or just used for arguing wit someone. They would create new account instead on using their mai account to hide their identities and avoiding negative trust. Well just saying real talk here.

Why it's allowed to sell high rank accounts in this forum? I noticed that a lot of people selling accounts with ranks. According to this scammer can buy high rank account and beginners "maybe" will trust him and get scammed? To be honest in a lot of forums it's against rules to sell accounts, but on this one - it's allowed.

Its not really allowed in what we usually think but this forum does not  prohibit to sell account to others but im not really fan of  these kinds of transaction because  account would be  used on bad purposes same as you said. Forum does not have rules that  selling accounts is illegal  for sure they would really like to impose these rules  but  i think they have  a hard time  on stopping  this transactions.

What is the other point in buying account with posts on this forum? Just to make beginners trust you and make profit in it (scam).

Not all the newbies are same nor the senior users are always seniors, i hope you get what i mean.
I mean there are even newbies with better knowledge and experience then some senior rank members of this forum, because some of those senior members are newbies knowing nothing and bought accounts for signature campaigns, and the newbies with knowledge are those who make good accounts and trade them later for bitcoins.

Agree, you cant  generalize all newbies are all the same because some  high rank accounts have been sold  to some newbies out there  just for the sake of signature campaigns same as you said. Some newbies are also created  by veteran member just to troll someone on  this forum. So we cant really say that all are fools , maybe it depends on the majority of newbies doings which considered them as a fool like  on mistake always  joining on hyips.

I think one more reason for buying accounts is to join signature campaigns with higher rank accounts which is mostly done by new users of this forum... because they know they cannot earn much if they start from jr. member so they just buy higher rank accounts to start earning bitcoins through signature campaigns with those accounts.

Correct, thats one of the  main reasons why some new users intend to buy  potential high rank accounts so that they wont need to wait for a long time in able to earn decent profits.  Thats why there are people who supply this needs. actually if theres no one  intend to buy accounts then there would be no seller but reality is here is just a cycle and people usually do find ways to earn money thats  why things are been created.

they wouldnt be considered as fools if they would stop asking on how to make bitcoins, and similar stupid questions.

That was not a stupid question...Those were the usual question a newbie has... A newbie should be treated with kindness specially if they won't abandon their thread and lock it if he found the answer he wants...But if after creating a thread they immediately leave, then that's absurd, for sure they are not newbie anymore...

I agree that we must treat everyone kindly, but in some cases people create a thread while in that section the sticky threads are there containing all information they are looking for.

Without even taking the effort to open that sticky thread or other threads and read it, they start asking irrelevant questions and open threads that are similar to the 10-15 other threads in the first page.

depends, the person may be smart, but he will still be weak in some aspect of knowledge- he does not been into it for a longer time,
so he is not able to do many thing- he is just simply not ready. he needs more knowledge, to read some articles etc etc.

I think yes because they are still very new so people thinks they are dumb

A newbie should obviously not be considered a fool if he does not lock a thread even after getting his answer because they does not know how to do these things, so someone in place of blaming them should help them get the things around so that they don't repeat the same thing next time.

newbies are not fools at all because everyone needs to start somewhere, and it is ok

Yeah its a normal that newbies are asking it is one of the good way to learn fast.. if you dont ask for someone who know about it you will not gaining knowledge fast. so it is just a normal we can not call them or consider them as fools .
And i think you also start as newbie before so you should feel also what newbies feels.

but there are still newbies that are too naive which are fully dependent to others, its not really bad to ask something to others especially when you dont know such things but  first  they must be responsible enough to have time to search into things first before doing such action on asking  into someone.

it is really sad but by most people who are into bitcoins for long time they might be actually considered as fools

My view is that everybody at one time has to be new to something. All of us never new even how to read and write until we went to school. When you get a new job there will be things that you don't know and therefore have to ask. When you travel to a new town you will need to ask around to get a proper direction. Similarly, people who are new on this forum have to ask around before they get familiar. Being new to something doesn't mean that you are a fool.

Well if they've had no previous contact or don't really the posts about online services they can easily get into one or a few. That's  true, but mostly of the newbis are "fools" since they aren't that familiar with the bitcoin work and scammers.

yes they are because they are new to bitcoin

This is totally rude answer, it is due to the way they start posting in another threads or just start a new thread asking the same question which they can see before it self created, they dont try to work hard with out checking the forum fully and just wanted to earn from starting.

This is the main reason if not i have seen so many newbies which are now earning good as they are surfing the forum and getting knowledge and earning it.

If you know stuff about BTC and are willing to learn,you are considered a guy who's cool

yes most newbies are nothing just a fools i mean they mean to be new and its good that they are learming about bitcoin but they are sometime kind of irritative and spamming the thrad or continiously creating new threads each day for their questions

People here make new accounts to represent a new "identity" to them in case they are opening a new service or new product.

So they were before here and are continuing contributing to this awesome community so I wouldn't call them as fools because everyone was noob at first.

haha, I am glad to see such topic here  ;D
I had common account with my former collegue here, now I dont work there any more and to communicate here I need to have my own account. That's why I am newbie or even New brand. I ve just created my new account. So... I am super super new))
Extra fresh!  ;D
Am I stupid or not experienced?
hm...

In any way, guys. I think we should be friendly to other people. Does not matter they are Newbies or Seniors.
If a person has Newbie status, it does not mean, this person is stupid, if a person has Senior account, it does not mean this person is smart ::)
Let's don't judge people by accounts they have... or their car they have...

I would like to see people here as a big friendly crypto society which ll be glad and welcome to Newbies   ::)

i don't agree, some newbies here are not really new, some newbies here have quite good knowledge about bitcoin, tho some newbies don't know much about crypto, it is not considered as fools because of it. all of us starts from zero right?

You are right. I have seen people with senior ranks here but they way they behave is worse than you can imagine. Someone having a newbie account does not necessarily mean he is new to this platform.

You have a point which some high rank accounts here behave like newbies on the  way they act . There are some newbies here which is not  truly a newbie  for some  because  other new accounts are being created by veteran members from other forums or   actually knowledgable already about bitcoin.

You do have a button to report their posts here, as no one here is allowed to insult or scrutinize anyone and if they do like it, you just ask them that they should leave this forum and join FBI instead... :P
I am always with you here, whether a newbie or a Legendary, even if you are an admin, I will always be friendly... :)

Well, every people here is start as a newbie too and i admit it i was a fool on that time, because we still new and don't know about anything. But i'm sure all newbies will become pro and know about anything.

Only if they are really a newbie. I have newbie status because I don't post, I am a huge lurker. I had more than 20hrs on this account and I lurked without having an account for a year.

You are right we are once a newbie too and we didnt skip that time since all things have  beginning  but later on as we learn for sure  and would become knowledgeable  to many things. Everything has  a process and dont  have any shortcuts. Newbie do foolish things at first but they would realize those  things later on.

I totally agree with you, I have seen many senior who have no idea what they are talking about.

I'm at hero rank myself and I don't consider my self upper than someone else because it's not ethical and it's not my behavior.

At this stage I don't know everything about crypto and there are lots of rooms that I haven't seen yet and I'm learning everyday here.

Newbies are usually considered as fools, because in this time of the forum, everyone coming on is either interested in earning from a signature campaign or are looking to scam.

We have the same perception which i dont consider also myself upper to someone  belows my rank since i dont   gain knowledge  too much , i do consider also myself as a starter because  until now im still learning into things day by day. Thats why  i cant consider  newbies as fools.

Sometimes newbie like me tends to shy away to comment or post something due to the possibility of being labeled as a fool/scammer or a total non-sense although your opinion seems legit. Also there is somehow that feeling of being discriminated.

dont worry dude this forum is an equal opportunity board,where you can voice your thoughts and comments,nobody will call you a scammer if you are not scamming and not knowing a subject does not make you a fool,here is a platform where you can learn new things.

Yeah everyone comes here for learning more about bitcoin or the things related to bitcoin so no one is expert at first when they come to the world of bitcoin but everyone starts from bottom for going to top.

Thanks for the encouraging words from you guys. :)

Dont worry you will not the only one here many are newbie or stranger here in our forum that looking for more information for bitcoin.. newbie is always asking that they dont know just for knowledge.. everything forum even outside if you join its one way to learn its a knowledge can brings from forum that you will learn..

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I Agree with your words , newbie is important to us, infect they spread the network in their circle, in my openion only few percentage people in the word aware about what id Crypto Currency / Bitcoin..

Newbies are expected to be coming in with new ideas and innovations. In the fast changing word the freshers or so cold newbies have proved to be torch bearers. The start-ups too have always been refered to newbies. But they blasted the idea of "Old IS Gold" ;)

Most of the bitcoin services that we see here in forum are from people that have been here before but want to create a brand new account on their niche.

We understand that there are some limit for them but this is to prevent the spam, but still as long as they have knowledge and power they can't be counted as fools.

Yes, but problem is with Newbies that trying to promote or sell something. Mostly it is about scam people, and thats why Newbies are treated not nice..

Newbies does  have  bad reputation since most veteran members  create new accounts  just to promote scam sites and  other  foolishness things that theyve done in my own opinion.  Im not generalizing all newbie are fools there are some serious fellas out there  which  trying to learn new thing without doing any foolishness on this forum.  The word newbie  would somehow a hindrance especially  when we are talking money since  their  reputation is  not yet established,

Everyone was a newbie, don't defame newbies. Roger Ver was also a newbie in 2010

That's the most correct statement actually-as long as they have knoweldge they will be considered as someone who's willing to improve the BTC community

This is correct, not all newbies here in this forum are not  totally newbies which some account are just made  by other veteran users which been  created  for other purposes either for trolling or  either  for scamming other  members here in this forum thats why  it really gives a negative impact on the image of all newbies.

Depends on the people around you. Most people like to laugh at newbies whenever they make mistakes. It's only a common thing for a newbie to make mistake because, well, they're a newbie. Some people are matured enough to know that fact and instead of laughing at the newbie, he'll just correct the mistake and make the newbie know how to do it correctly.

Newbies will not be considered as fool they want to learn more about crypto currency and it is okay if they gonna ask some question regarding on the topic of bitcoin and if they know about it then they gonna learn more and we started all in newbie and then become a senioir . thats life buddy.

Exactly, i have seen a lot of people on this forum who makes fun of a newbie when they ask something which is quite simple, but they should know that if a thing is simple for them it is because they are now old in the industry but the ones who are new would probably ask if they dont know something, we are supposed to help them but not to laugh at them.

I agree with you totally. unfortunately, some senior people here take advantage of this perception by creating new accounts. Someone will pretend as if he is a newbie and therefore does not know a lot of things. This happens especially when some creates new accounts to start soliciting for money from the platform.

Because they can't trust newbies where they giving them chance to prove them selves because of newbies are scammer thats why people demonizing newbies and i see lots of member are judging newbies that fast and maybe mee too im going to judge that newbie

Not all newbies are scammers since there are  newbies which are created  by other veteran members which  used for scamming  attempts  thats  why  it  gives negative reputation  on  all newbies which those serious  ones are being  included . For me  they are not fools because we are a  newbie way back then.

Who says newbies are scammers? Mostly scammers take other higher rank accounts to scam people so that they get more trust from the community because they know that the forum trusts the higher accounts more than newbies, but newbies are just cursed while they have nothing bad in them.

Both rank would have disadvantages, some veteran members  use newly created accounts  for  doing foolish things like  trolling and  scamming attempt like visiting website and  others services which too good to be true, and some  newbies does purchase  high rank accounts  for scamming  purposes also.

Technically a person is a fool when they are a newbie to something, compared to when they are not. But in term of having  a newbie status here, some could just be old members with a new account.

It's human nature. Like many parents when their kids asked them really simple general knowledge question. There's a frustration.

True, when you are a newbie, you keep on asking things, but it doesn't mean that you are a fool, in fact that's a sign that you are curious, and could possibly make your learning process faster compared if you don't ask anything and just wait til someone mention what you want to know... It is much better compared to a pro and answers a nonsense answer to a newbie...  :)