ARE NEWBIES CONSIDERED AS FOOLS?

[pooya87]

you can't make rules and deal with everybody the same way based on those rules. so no the low rank on the forum doesn't make anybody fool or the opposite the high rank also doesn't make anybody wise or even trustworthy.

it is their actions that determine how much they know and how much you can trust their words.

[Cresciuanto]

do you mean that every new comer is a food? i do not think so. i think they are wise enough, their account will help them in long run. i think those people who create their account are lucky people. their accounts will give them benefit in future.

[wintermeasures]

For a long time on this forum, I see people demonizing newbies for anything. From What I see, a new is considered as someone who doesn't 'know anything and is not supposed to say anything. Whatever you do, you will be told that "you are newbie". I ask myself, does it mean that newbies don't have a voice?

I realized some people build up their accounts and sell them when they are on a higher rank. They then start another account of which they will definitely start as a newbie. Can this person also be considered "worthless"?

Yes I agree, but there are some who scoffed newbie but they do not know anything. I think people have forgotten the high position from which they start. Newbie opening does not mean, newbie mean new hope. Thank you

[Daneric]

People don't have trust in newbies especially those who become members and start begging immediately. I have seen in several loan threads where a newbie with only 1 activity asking for a loan of 1 btc or even 10 btc. I ask myself why such a total stranger should be trusted with such big amounts. I know some of them search on the internet for ways of getting a loan and they find somewhere written that you can get a loan on bitcointalk. So when they register, their first thing is to start asking for loans

[Herbert2020]

forum ranks are just ranks showing how much time you have spent on the bitcointalk forum and it has no more information than that. i even go as far as saying trust rating system is not showing anything for 100%.

all of these things are created for you to see and make a better decisions based on these information that you get.

[chaser15]

For a long time on this forum, I see people demonizing newbies for anything. From What I see, a new is considered as someone who doesn't 'know anything and is not supposed to say anything. Whatever you do, you will be told that "you are newbie". I ask myself, does it mean that newbies don't have a voice?

I realized some people build up their accounts and sell them when they are on a higher rank. They then start another account of which they will definitely start as a newbie. Can this person also be considered "worthless"?

If a newbie still asking for a questions repeatedly and the answer is just there on their front, that is a newbie with no time to improved themselves. A better newbie is those who improved day by day and not asking repeatedly unless there is a really a problem.

[DoublerHunter]

We can't considered that the newbies are fools because making a wrong decision is normal for a person who is getting started from this community. All members here start from being newbie and doesn't mean that they are fools from the start because they do wrong decision to find better answer to their confusion and also get experience.

[getrichquack]

hmmm

Some of the responses to your question  tend to support your contention that Newbies experience some degree of bias.
Some of these criticisms may well be justified.

Throughout my personal journey , for the most part,  I've found the majority of senior members of this community to be respectful, inclusive and helpful.

However,  there is also a faction of  obnoxious, posturing ego manics presiding over/participating in a number of important threads.

Some of these people appear to thrive on any opportunity to demonstrate their self proclaimed superiority over others having lesser knowledge/ experience/ English.

But then, that's life really isn't it . There are people like that everywhere you go.

I 'recon there's about a 10:1 world wide "regular Joe" to "total wanker" ratio.

This decreases dramatically depending upon your proximity to any center of academia or republican rally  

[babs1975]

hmmm

Some of the responses to your question  tend to support your contention that Newbies experience some degree of bias.
Some of these criticisms may well be justified.

Throughout my personal journey , for the most part,  I've found the majority of senior members of this community to be respectful, inclusive and helpful.

However,  there is also a faction of  obnoxious, posturing ego manics presiding over/participating in a number of important threads.

Some of these people appear to thrive on any opportunity to demonstrate their self proclaimed superiority over others having lesser knowledge/ experience/ English.

But then, that's life really isn't it . There are people like that everywhere you go.

I 'recon there's about a 10:1 world wide "regular Joe" to "total wanker" ratio.

This decreases dramatically depending upon your proximity to any center of academia or republican rally  

I think people don't understand what a forum is meant for. I say this with those who like asking questions with obvious answers elsewhere on the forum. I may call it laziness to some extent because they don't have the time to go through the homepage and also read the newbie guide. All they do is to asking questions expecting forum members to answer.

[ObscureBean]

I'm not sure what you're talking about, I don't think I've ever seen experienced members belittling newbies on the forum here. And I certainly never once felt like I was being taken for a fool when I was a newbie. Having said that, people here are a little wary of newbies and that's understandable. There have been in the past plenty of accounts created with the sole intention of scamming people.

[thisisverypointless]

I think the reason people dont like newbies, is due to the fact that anyone can make a new account and scam someone.

That kinda adds to the bad rep of newbs

[tyz]

Well, this lies always in the eyes of the corresponding person who says such things. I do not consider a newbie as worthless or something negative. I am glad for every newbie who is interested in this world of Bitcoin and crypto currencies. I just do not like it when newbies ask questions which have been answered thousand times before. They just need to do a quick search to find an answer for his/her question.

[aaf-18]

In P2P systems, a beginner is likely to receive unwelcoming treatment sometimes.

I read an article at following link which suggests that P2P systems / blockchain heavily relies on TRUST between it's members. Due to high possibility of scamming it becomes necessary to make new joiners realise the value of trust. That's where existing members may have to take firm stand on the way newbies behave.

http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/w7t2USNQs5Yh7WPPf9wxLP/Understanding-bitcoins-and-blockchain.html

[PeRo]

Most of the people here think that all newbies are scammers and idiots, but I don't blame them, newbies are mostly scammers who only made an account to take a 'loan' and never come back. But we must accept new members and not close this forum to a circle of members. Some newbies are bad but we were all newbies before and we can't judge anyone for it. Ranks are just numbers, you have to have good reputation and be a good person to actually be a hero or a legend.

[Relnarien]

For a long time on this forum, I see people demonizing newbies for anything. From What I see, a new is considered as someone who doesn't 'know anything and is not supposed to say anything. Whatever you do, you will be told that "you are newbie". I ask myself, does it mean that newbies don't have a voice?

I realized some people build up their accounts and sell them when they are on a higher rank. They then start another account of which they will definitely start as a newbie. Can this person also be considered "worthless"?

You might want to cite some valid examples regarding your statement. Most of the instances where newbies get bashed are instances where they ask for loans without collateral, act like an obvious shill, attempt to pull glaring scams, ask about things that a 2-second google search can answer or make irresponsible comments about things that they clearly know nothing about. Aside from those instances, newbies are only ever looked down upon when they act as if being a newbie is an excuse to do things that clearly require some modicum of trust as leverage. Despite having subforums for lending and business transactions, this discussion board is primarily and specifically one for the discussion of Bitcoin and various other aspects related to it (such as educating new users, spreading and promoting its use, etc.). This is not a lending website where a newbie can just waltz in and say "I need a loan. It doesn't matter that I'm a newbie since there's always a first time for everything."

And yes, someone who sells their account to another can definitely be regarded as, as per your words, "worthless". There is never a good reason for a person to buy an already established forum account. Anyone who is selling an account is someone who is aware of that fact yet obviously doesn't care.

[hermanhs09]

For a long time on this forum, I see people demonizing newbies for anything. From What I see, a new is considered as someone who doesn't 'know anything and is not supposed to say anything. Whatever you do, you will be told that "you are newbie". I ask myself, does it mean that newbies don't have a voice?

I realized some people build up their accounts and sell them when they are on a higher rank. They then start another account of which they will definitely start as a newbie. Can this person also be considered "worthless"?

It might be because back then,not many people have known bitcoin.
So users of this forum could feel like they are some kind of "elite" which uses it,and someone who doesn't know a lot about bitcoin is just worthless,right?

[Digitalbitcoin]

In such scenario. Mostly people with intention of marketing always want to promote something and these guy always thing for newbie as fool and want to engage them and get paid returns.

But I dont think so.

It all about integrity and knowledge along with power to understand things.

It tooks me personally 4 years to understand Bitcoin, Cryptography and 2 years to believe on it.

It may be vary person to person opinion.

[European Central Bank]

i'll judge someone on the content of their post, not the number next to their name. some noobs might've been lurking for months and know plenty. this forum is important but there's a whole lot more to bitcoin than here.

[Daneric]

I just came across this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1529296.0;topicseen) where a newbie created a post to ask about something that is in  dozen other threads on this forum. personally I have read several posts that discuss about the same issue of how  member can progress in rank on the forum. Is it that he lazy he doesn't want to go through the threads or he just wanted to create a post?

[hermanhs09]

I dont think that we can consider them as fools right now,some might be even more intelligent or something than we are.
It is just a matter of rank and time and rank is actually some effort made into posting here,so it is not anything special right?
Dont pretend you are most important.