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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbkxRbTEgoE

I found this video. Let me just say, Amir Takki is a great developer but he can't go talking about and I probably paraphrasing "...it is bringing money laundering from big people to the common people..". This is exactly what type of labels we don't want on bitcoins. Everyone needs to stay away from the "launder" word. Also he talked about how "3-d printing guns" is the way to solve issues with fraud in the bitcoin world. He is a complete rebel, and should not be affiliated with the community. The host even at one point basically had to treat him like a kid and tell him to wait his turn. He is using words that would scare people away. Amir is a great developer, he knows how bitcoin is the future and his passion is amazing. Just the way he presents himself is a little far from what we need in the community to be our voice.

Well how do you propose to stop him?

Free market  = anyone can talk about bitcoins

People can dress how they want.

Actually no.

Aside from his visual presentation (which I guess he has his own slightly odd style.. but w/e) his delivery and answers were spot on in this interview. If this is how he can handle public speaking in front of a camera with an earpiece and in the face of heat from three other people, I don't mind it if he takes over every single interview ever done about Bitcoin.

He did an awesome job in this interview. That's right, awesome job.

I think he did a really good job.

 The only thing is when the Indian guy started saying that governments would want a slice of the pie,  is saying they would have to earn their slice instead of taking it from the population. People could voluntarily donate to certain sections if they want or those services could be privatized.

But now that's just nitpicking. Amir did a lot better then the last interview. This one was pretty great, also any press is good press!


I don't care what they label us getting people to understand it is what's important. Labels might slow growth but I believe the people can wake up evaluate it themselves and draw their own conclusions.

Very False, this was bad press and might have ruined some people views of bitcoins. Plus are you going to take an outspoken rebel as serious, as he should be presenting himself too.

If you think you can do it better, stop whining and go do it better.

lol wut.

What does 3D printing guns have to do with bitcoin?
I don't like this guy.
If we profile bitcoin as something that will be used to FIGHT the state, the state will fight back.
I'm not here to fight any state, i'm not here to evade taxes, i'm here because bitcoin is a better monetary system than the dollar or euro and is quite possibly the money of the future.
Evolution, not revolution.

thats like selling guns but dont want anything to do with war and death

 ;D

I wish he'd wear a shirt. As shallow as it is, appearance makes a world of difference to the general public.

Not quite sure if I should laugh at you or cry for you...

I agree Bitcoin needs better PR, but maybe he wouldn't have gotten the interview if he didn't talk about those things, though.

Lots of 'light news' shows just want quick cliche talking points that are easy to understand - in Bitcoin's case those are "laundering", "drugs", "gambling" and "terrorism".

I'd bet if he said he refused to discuss anything like that then they would just keep looking around until they found someone who would :P

He should have worn one layer of clean clothes.  He looks like he hasn't washed in a while or spent much time indoors.

Amir projects a powerful persona.  He is rough-looking to our eyes who have been trained by television to see only beautiful, tidy-looking people.

But his street image actually worked here because his entire message is shattering paradigms--all paradigms.

I wouldn't be so sure. Talking about it is more a strategic question. Unless you're a masochist, you want to have the option of controlling your own money, even if you do not intend to exercise that option in the foreseeable future. I would phrase it differently though, and ask people how well they want to be able to defend themselves in case their government turns tyrannical. To an economist, I would ask how else he proposes to fix the principal-agent dilemma. There are plenty of people with which this will hit the right buttons.

It's all about how you put it. A while ago, this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRXgdX27sAI) circulated. Let me quote from it:

Perhaps we should start a kickstarteresque fund for him to agree to never do another public bitcoin related talk or interview. He's damaged the image of Bitcoin many times before, and he will just continue to do so.

If he does want to wear a hoodie in public, then at least give it a wash first. He looks like he's just emerged from a squat.

Which he probably has.

while i've yet to watch this new piece i did find the last one (i think it was) an embaressment, sometimes i think they pick people like him to share there views/talk about bitcoin in order to do bitcoin a disservice, i mean if you wanted to ruin the image of bitcoin in a subtle way then you start by giving people like amir facetime on tv to make a complete arse out of himself on a serious subject.

lets face it, whoever approached him to talk about it has probably done there research and knows that if you want to make bitcoin look like the terrorists favorite way to launder money, buy drugs, acquire firearms, bypass financial sanctions and attack the man then amir is probably the best person to do that. for that reason and that reason alone the bitcoin community would do itself a great service to distance themselves from him.

Totally agree.

About the money laundering talk.

Amir started off with a premise and that is, hey, it you're gonna let big banks launder money then why not little people?

I think the way out appearance is to position himself as a man of the people against the banksters in suits which everyone hates, so that's probably a good move.

Though I think he's overdone the look in that interview.  He looks a bit like Rick out of that BBC 80s comedy The Young Ones.

But I thought he performed better than in some interviews, he's getting better with practice.

Ill sign that!




For the grumpy Guys: have a little respect for this guy, if you talk about him in such ways you obviously are not into bitcoin for longer than a month or two. Or simply are not getting the full picture yet. For which some of you ofcourse cant be accused as braincells dont come free.


Im getting the feeling that this forum is growing to a place full of scammers and uninformed people.


And to the people debating what he is wearing: are you retarded? 8)
Amir's and the words of the Indian guy were worth gold so I did not even pay a glimpse of attention to it, in opposite of that other guy who dressed up like a priest.

Although Amirs haircut struck me first, its peacocking and quickly forgotten once conversation starts.



Amir +1 !! Thank you

I think he did fine.  He is not the button down representation of bitcoin.  He is the wake up call representation of bitcoin.  Bitcoin has all kinds of users from lawyers and bankers to prostitutes and drug dealers.  Also, honest people use it too*.  

*(sorry, I did not mean to imply that prostitutes and drug dealers are not honest)

I'm afraid that he's becoming the next Richard Stallman-like extremist. I wanted to talk to him about this in January at UNsystem Bitcoin Conference Preview, but he seemed to be busy. And I have learnt before that it's not a good idea to argue with orgs while the event is still ongoing :)

This isn't exactly what I thought about while writing my post... and now I cannot push it out of my head... again. :/

I dont agree associating bitcoin with anarchist .

Yes Amir is a nut job. I'm not into btc because of what he said. (money laundering, printing guns.... )

I'm ashamed to let my friends watch this interview. They probably think i want to rebel as well.

bwahahahaha. :D

Amir speaks for himself. So nobody needs to stop him. Al Jazeera can interview who they like. But I agree with ts that it is not fair that bitcoins should be associated with crimes. And I agree with Amir that the largest criminals of today are found amongst bankers and politicians.

the woman doing the interview is hot

that is all..

+1

He will not be taken seriously looking like that with weird punk hair style.

Ppl don't listen what he has to say, they just see... a weird radical punk...

someone made a great argument the other day defending the roughness of the Satoshi client. 

there's a certain appeal to a relatively underdeveloped, industrialized, new technology.  i could say the same thing about the Avalon, mtgox, and Bitcoin Android Wallet.

as well as Amir.

that's fine with me cuz that's what keeps what "appears" to be a bubble price truly a rational one.

just wait til you have the likes of Lloyd Blankfein or Jamie Dimon commenting on Bitcoin.

If you want btc to be a success, at some point you are going to have to interact with normals i'm afraid. Looking homeless isn't going to cut it

It's good to see this guy Amir show some emotion.
Did you see the guy in the suit cringe?
If the media eventually want to play the money laundering/terrorist
card against bitcoin they'll find a way with or without Amir.

normals?  :D FFS, just shut up, will you?  ::)

People should clearly start a "Bitcoin goverment" which governs people who use or talk about bitcoin. With violence.

Apparently Bitcoin made Amir too poor to afford proper clothes...yuck.

I like his rough appearance, it shows any random asshole who put some effort in and made an exchance did well at it, isnt that the whole spirit of decentralized whatever?

And how could you not see the connection between the 3d printed gun story? The whole point is that the regulation for assault rifles is telling you you cant have a PIECE OF SPECIALLY SHAPED PLASTIC. And the technology of 3d printing lets any random asshole make his own "shaped plastic" however impractical he wants

What are you talking about?

He did a great job, simply because he said the truth. Who cares about how he was dressing?

Bitcoin is a REVOLUTION that gives FREEDOM to people. This is the reality, and the fundamental REASON WHY of Bitcoin.

The guy in the interview understood this very well, and expressed it in a perfect way. Kudos for him.

This interview actually wen't quite well, especially compared to the previous ones I remember, but I must agree that his appearance may scare some people away from perceiving Bitcoin as a positive thing.

So stop complaining.

The same old suit-and-tie motherfuckers who actually run the economy scare a lot of people too.

The crucial point is that Bitcoin is a revolutionary idea. This guy explained VERY WELL the fundamentals. If you are scared by a guy wearing a "mohawk", regardless of what he is saying, then maybe freedom - and Bitcoin - is not for you.

I find the entire concept of "stopping Amir from talking about Bitcoin" to be ridiculous and insulting (despite the fact that I think he was improperly dressed for the occasion unless he was wellknown in the world for dressing like that. You wouldn't bitch if Lady Gaga was on TV dressed like that talking about Bitcoin, would you?).

Along the lines of how insulting this is, you think I'm gonna let the libertard cultists here keep me from talking to Korean press when they ask me about Bitcoins just because a handful of talking heads here have a negative opinion about me? Bitcoin is like the internet and it's open to everyone. Everyone should know about it, and everyone has their own idea about. Let them learn for 10 years if they have to (it took longer than that for the internet to catch on). If you're worried about it causing problems for you personally, that either means you're interested in Bitcoin primarily as a get rich scheme, you're weak minded and think that Bitcoin can't survive on its own merits, or you're just overly emotional about something that the very creator of which deemed "highly experimental".

If you didn't like something about Amir's presence, send him a PM on Skype as a friend and give him a suggestion. This is how human beings learn. Talking shit on a forum about another human because you aren't happy with their representation of your highly speculative investment is no one's problem but yours.

As for Bitcoin itself, there is nothing to worry about, if Bitcoin will work, it will work in your lifetime. Enjoy the novelty of being involved in it in its infancy and stop worrying about things you don't agree with so much. To me, it's not the people who make mistakes (myself included) that hurt bitcoin, it's the cultists who are far too invested into it that think it's "too big to fail" that will hurt Bitcoin. P2P never needed a consultancy that charged 10,000 bitcoins to be a member of. People used it and it grew because it was proven useful.

Also, before you respond to this with "shutupmatthewurwrongherpderp", do you think you should post a thread asking the Free Software Foundation to remove Richard Stallman because he eats his toenails in public?

People also don't understand, that anyone can try to go represent bitcoin anywhere. I would guess Amir has been doing more bitcoin promotion around the globe than 99% of people on this thread. If you want Amir to go away, start going to those conferences, putting up materials online, etc etc. Most people here are just complaining, not doing.

I'm not -- but I'm talking about the majority of the people here because let's face it - a person in a suit and a tie is considered by most people as someone more credible and respectable than an anarchist with a mohawk (are you even aware of the negative connotation of the word 'anarchist?). If we can't convince the majority to use Bitcoin we will be forever confined to using it within a limited circle of its aficionados.

I'd love if people were different but convincing them (except speculators) will be a no easy task.

Freedom to squander their money buying virtual currency that will probably burst and leave them penniless?

This isn't Germany circa 1940, no need to start the propaganda machine.

Amir was really nice to me when I had to work with him with Bitcoinica going down.  I guess perhaps he fucked us bitcoinica users with releasing the source code, but I mean hopefully we get those coins back.  I think there are some things you could fault Amir for, but this interview is not one of them.  I thought this was excellent!!!!!

Gweedo, you could write a contract where you give him Bitcoins in exchange for keeping quiet.  That is the fair and free market way to deal with speech we don't like.

I know hindering one person in anyway like this is very much against bitcoins, but I think he has hit a limit with his speech that requires some intervention of not forcing those extreme views on bitcoins.

Same here. I think he has good intentions but has a clear tendency to fuck up. I'd wish I'd seen more of these videos before handing my coins over to him. Clearly I would have thought twice about it! Amir was directly responsible for the last Bitcoinica hack when he leaked the source containing password data to their MtGox account, his response was along the lines of "I don't feel bad for people with a lot of coins. It is just numbers".

And yes, we all know Bitcoin is revolutionary but that does not mean you have to dress up like an Anarchist and act like a 16 year old overly attached girlfriend. Bitcoin is a-political. I'd rather see a more trojan style silent revolution. No 3D printing of guns and throwing of bricks necessary here.

yeah something like zuckerberg

RE Amir:

"Contrary to hysterical media reports, such as this recent video from the Guardian, the Bitcoin-software community is loosely governed not by wild-eyed kids camping out in half-deserted lofts but by what appears to be a rational and sober group of adult administrators who run the Bitcoin Foundation. This organization was modelled on the Linux Foundation, according to Gavin Andresen, who is currently the Bitcoin Foundation’s chief scientist. As the lead developer for the project, Andresen is paid a salary by the Bitcoin Foundation. He has been involved full-time in Bitcoin since the spring of 2011."

Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/elements/2013/04/the-future-of-bitcoin.html#ixzz2PoKTmSAE

I didn't know we were governed. Nice. Now all I need to do is pay 10,000 BTC and I can be a member and I won't have to think for myself! </sarcasm>

Isn't this the same Amir Taaki who was selling pirated ebooks for bitcoins?

From http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=23575328&postcount=238 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=23575328&postcount=238)

Yes.

Previous apprearances : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GX-gYrTxz9U#t=952s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=I-DVOYyx_6U#t=320s

Amir is a f--- hero !


Come on already, if you know psychology. Watch the video again and make sure to concentrate on Amirs eyes!


He knows that btc will shoot up to 100,000 $ !!!

As 1 bitcoin is 100,000 satoshis or am I completly retarded?

I think I will buy 1 bitcoin tomorrow. For investing...

Yes, you are completly retarded.

BTW. 1 BTC == 100 MILLION Satoshis ;)

I just watched it and the memorable bit for me for the question of what he would have done if he got duped in Brazil. His answer curved around to 'that's what I love about Bitcoin, the philanthropy'. Seriously? Is he really that naive? That is just an open invite for scam artists who must be relishing taking money from geeks, as if the scam artists aren't gathering at the gates already.

Like many a well meaning revolution brought about by clever people, Bitcoin will eventually be taken over by psychopaths and hard core criminals, even if code is our domain. That's just the way human societies go, especially when the masses are content and kept busy and entertained. Eventually nearly all bitcoin will end up in the hands of criminal networks, either through black market dealing, extortion, con artistry or robbery and one it is the rest of society and the law won't be able to do anything about it except let Bitcoin die.

The next wave of buyers are the ones you need to be extra careful of. The time of it being a cool experiment for geeks is over, it's now the turn of the greedy, tax dodging and criminal. Things in the real world evolved the way they did for a reason. Throwing things back to anarchy won't make things better. Institutions grew in the city of London because trust had to be built on well earned reputation and the Bitcoin economy has to go through all that again.

It'll be interesting but mind your backs if you do real world business with bit coin and learn a bit of history.

Oh god, please let it rain some brain cells? Are you retarded? Have you ever met with a localbitcoiner dealer?

The next people ( started already in my opinion) are people who are sick of investing into stock markets, real estate gold or the hit of the last years: art. So now they swap to bitcoin as they realize its potential. You made me chuckle man, cheers. BE CAREFUL OF THE BIG BLACK MAN WHO WILL STEAL YOUR BITCOINS WHILE YOU SLEEP.... :D :D :D

I agree we need Amir, Amir if you read this thank you!!!

I think he's great personally - I saw a youtube video recently about a guy who had something to do with the development of the global phenomona that is BTC - I was expecting to see a middle aged guy wearing a cardigan who doesn't get out enough (not that that would have diminished my respect for him you understand) - and instead on came Amir talking about how he held no BTC because he had everything he needed in the room he was in (and there was literally only a laptop in the room).
    Of course, as you get older you might end up with a family etc etc and so Amir may require more than just his laptop ;D

   But the guy is a good sort IMHO

The diversity in the bitcoin community is what makes it interesting.

The diversity of uses that bitcoin enables allows that.

Many different uses, many different people!!

So, they can just seize his laptop and leave him without knowing what to do next?

Big deal he'll just get a new laptop. Given the work he does people will be falling over themselves to gift him a laptop.

Let's dox him

I think gweedo is preceding his personal views with incorrect pronouns. It should have been I, me, my (not we, us, our).

Okay! I'll start. Real name: Amir Taaki.

Step 2. Picture.

With or without a bun in his hair?

http://im.ft-static.com/content/images/222eb3a6-d3d4-11e2-95d4-00144feab7de.img

BTW, I could hunt one down with him donning a dress. Seriously!

Loll those coke eyes

I have learned a lot from Amir's videos about bitcoin but I do not believe he is the ideal ambassador of bitcoin for the general public.  I think Andreas Antonoupolis does a much better job at this.  Amir's videos are more ideal for the hacker, rebel, anarchist crowd but not for mainstream media.

Re: "...it is bringing money laundering from big people to the common people.."

He's right. That's what powered the whole China-based run-up. Bitcoin provided an easy way for little people to bypass China's exchange controls and turn yuan into dollars or euros. Big players could already use export businesses and offices outside of China to do it, or move currency through Hong Kong or Singapore, but the little guy was stuck in yuan.

Then the People's Bank of China cracked down on Bitcoin, and that doesn't work any more.

He's rolling high in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYzXNhk3Vjw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I hate it when someone say someone needs to do something let anyone do anything as long as they don't violate the priciples of others liberty, when you need to is stop telling others what they need to do. I have no idea who Amir Taaki is but if he wants to talk about bitcoin let him talk. I heard some idiot talk on youtube it was all 180 degrees from true guy had no clue what he was saying I just tuned out but i"M not going to tell him he needs to stop that is what a republic is the ones who say things we don't like can say it! Get use to freedom that is what bitcion is trying to get back to us!

So what he can say it will be 10 trillion in a month even if ti's wrong it's his business that is what I'm saying. What's sick of today's world is everyone is pushed into "being professional" and polished. Screw that let everyone be what they want to be and let people pick who they like or don't just click the X on browser and move on to whom ever you like.

I have been told all my life what and how to say I'm just sick of it I just ignore it let anyone say what they want about bitcoin. I'll give you one thing I hate I listened to that panel with Andres A... (the long greek last name) smart guy, and one person made my blood boil how regulation regulators we must be legitamite all that crap and thank got Andreas get it most people dont but it's not my business to shut anyone up it's actually good that these freedom hating regulation loving people live it shows why people like Andreas are true, so let everyone speak and say what they once and try to have "a uniform and polished front" that is wrong! Liberty!

Let me translate what regulation is for people like you who  seam not to understand regulation means tyranny basically. You have a bunch of corrupt imoral people who dictate my freedom away from me and call it regulation then brainwash people like you that taking my freedom is someone ok like democracy is a good thing. No regulation will kill bitcoin. The only people who I want regulated is you, your evil government and your tyrannical system and since you don't understand that concept it's called a constitution and that is a regulation of the republic to keep you off of me! What give you or anyone the right to "regulate" bitcooin? And why am I "extreme" if I want to be left free and not forced with a gun to my head to do things I don't want to do?

I don't understand you people and why in the world for the first time in history we have a chance to do something to the evil central banks and you want to let them "regulate aka destroy" it. I'm against it and if you regulate it away I'll join one that will kept with liberty lovers like me and we will make our own little underground free world and opt out of your tyrannical one. Go and enjoy your regulation as long as you don't force it on me!

haters gonna hate.  :-*

Amir at Satoshi Square trading session: http://www.iamsatoshi.com/satoshi-square-london/

I would rather be free ("unregulated") without your 2 "huge huge companies". Look up fascism, most of your regulation are to keep incumbents and kill inovation keep competition out. Most wealth is created from liberty of individuals all these regulated insiders are doing is parasitizing that wealth away. Hopefully one day you will sea the light and leave the dark side and join the republic. Peace be with you.

I for one would like Amir Taaki to speak MORE about Bitcoin in MORE venues.

He really understands Bitcoin, and he knows how to explain it to people in a passionate and true way. If some are scared by a mohawk and whatnot, then they will probably don't have the right mindset to understand BTC in the first place.

Dude's got a point, gweedo.

I understand that Amir is pretty prickly. Yes, he'll cause some to be later adopters of CryptoCurrencies, rather than early adopters. C'est la guerre.

And strictly from a practical standpoint, there is nothing that can be done to shut him up, without resorting to violence. Which is something many here will not condone.

I'd condone it

Gweedo.  Make him stop.  Have the Boss break his kneecaps.  Do it.   Do  it.

-B-

Send a guidette to lure him

Make sure you wear that T Shirt you have with the Italian flag on it while you do it, too.

Super important. 

-B-

Invite the Jersey shore to help
Just give Mike some coke

Let's pm him hate mail
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1931

Title says amir taaki, how is my post not relevant? Get the meatballs outta your ass

So is your username and avatar.
-B-

Perhaps that is why your grammar has become unparsable.
What are you trying to convey there?
Two instances of hyperbole for the price of one - "most of us" & "sane regulations".
Again - what?
Regulations that extend past non-initiation of violence or fraud are in my mind necessarily bad, as they merely restrict what could otherwise be cooperative behavior.
I'm having a hard time squaring "no one here" with "people want....". Can you explain this more fully?
As long as you get the regulations _you_ deem appropriate, and somebody corners Amir in a dark alley and cuts out his tongue, so he can't speak the way he wants? Is that you mean?
You first.

I just listened to the guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as_3Pp_yGq4 i don't see what your problem is with the man speaking let him speak! If you can do a better job then get off your #$@#@#% and get on the TV and speak! Leave the man alone!