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NastyMining is a private socially responsible mining group established in 2012 that enjoys participating in the Bitcoin community.  All hashes are donated to the NastyFans (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0) organization.  Become a member and receive Bitcoin distributions by purchasing seats at NastyFans.org (https://nastyfans.org).  (Click here to learn more about NastyFans (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0))


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Purchase a set of our silver wallets. (https://nastyfans.org/mint)


Solar Equipment:
29x SunPower E20 327W AC Modules w/ Integrated Microinverter (link (https://us.sunpower.com/sites/sunpower/files/media-library/data-sheets/ds-e20-series-327-320-residential-ac-modules.pdf))
Total Cost: $24,487.92

Solar Statistics:
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/362mN.jpeg (https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/362mN.jpeg)https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/36UVa.jpeg (https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/36UVa.jpeg)

Solar Site Video:
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3w9CW.jpeg
(click to watch) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKisxNn1ueQ)

Wind Equipment:
1.5kW Wind Turbine w/ Grid Tie Inverter (sponsor (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1783328.msg17920504#msg17920504))

Wind Statistics:
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wBYJ.jpeg

Wind Site Video:
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wg8C.png
(click to watch) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGC6HrBv2-0)

Battery Equipment:
13.5kWh Tesla Powerwall 2 (link (https://www.tesla.com/powerwall)) (sponsor (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1783328.msg20099672#msg20099672))
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3w8wb.jpeghttps://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wKEv.jpeg

Battery Statistics:
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wb5H.gif

Man-Powered Equipment:
SportsArt ECO-POWR™ G510 Indoor Cycle (link (https://us.gosportsart.com/product/g510-indoor-cycle/)) (sponsor (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1783328.msg23156337#msg23156337))
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wD2g.png

MINING HARDWARE:
Antminer S17 Pro (link (https://shop.bitmain.com/promote/antminer_t17/overview))

Current Holdings:
http://langrock.org/stats/nasty_savings.png (https://blockchain.info/address/1NASTYfxUpKPwin7b1KTBFjeeofrLSgXDJ)

Bitcoin Donation Address:
1NASTYfxUpKPwin7b1KTBFjeeofrLSgXDJ


Sponsors:
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TIMELINE OF EVENTS:

1/24/17 - Initial meeting with solar representative to determine project scope.

2/2/17 - Existing thermal panels relocated to provide optimal site for solar installation.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wCNH.jpeg
(click to enlarge) (https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wCNH.jpeg)

2/3/17 - Site survey performed to gather exact measurements for solar designs.

2/8/17 - Agreement reached with SunPower® to provide 29 E20 327 watt AC Modules. (link (https://us.sunpower.com/sites/sunpower/files/media-library/data-sheets/ds-e20-series-327-320-residential-ac-modules.pdf))

2/10/17 - Engineering design completed.  Site plan received.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wQog.gif
(click to enlarge) (https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wQog.gif)

2/20/17 - YoBit.net (https://www.yobit.net/en/) sponsorship to provide wind turbine. (link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1783328.msg17920504#msg17920504))
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wGxI.png (https://www.yobit.net/en/)

2/22/17 - Solar Installation Application submitted to the electricity company and the home owners association.

3/1/17 - News agency Consolidated Crypto published a story about our Green Energy Project.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wmPd.png (http://consolidatedcrypto.com/bitcoin-mining-green-og-nasty-solar)

3/6/17 - Solar Installation Application approved by home owners association.

3/7/17 - Solar Installation scheduled for March 24th!

3/10/17 - Solar Installation Application approved by electric company.

3/24/17 - Installation of Solar Equipment.  City inspection completed/approved.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3w6j5.jpeghttps://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wPOz.jpeghttps://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wTC2.jpeghttps://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wtvc.jpeg

3/25/17 - Solar Installation has completed!  See the drone video of the panels here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKisxNn1ueQ
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wziP.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKisxNn1ueQ)

3/27/17 - News agency Bitcoin.com has published a story mentioning our Green Energy Project.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wNuq.png (https://news.bitcoin.com/renewable-solar-power-mining-operations/)

4/7/17 - NastyMining Green Energy Project wins 0.7 BTC in Most Appreciated Post contest on the Bitcoin.com forum!
(source: https://forum.bitcoin.com/topic18281.html)

4/10/17 - Final documents approved by electric company.  Ready for meter set.

4/22/17 - New meters installed.  System activated!

4/25/17 - Private online monitoring of statistics enabled.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wENj.png https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wI4G.png

4/26/17 - Pigeon proofing installed! (installed missed panel on 5/22/17)
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wsxD.jpeg

5/2/17 - 1.2kW wind turbine & grid tie purchased courtesy of YoBit.net (https://www.yobit.net).

5/25/17 - Thermal panel secondary drain pipe added to resolve issues from relocation.  Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBQ2OVXCRR0
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wkPf.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBQ2OVXCRR0)

6/6/17 - 1.2kW 48v wind turbine erected.

6/7/17 - Wiring ran to inverter & grid tie installed.  First watt of wind energy generated.  Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REnlKvo27go
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wvrZ.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REnlKvo27go)

7/12/17 - Gunbot The Automatic Profit Generator for Kraken, Poloniex, Bittrex has sponsored NastyMining with the purchase of a Tesla Powerwall 2. (link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1783328.msg20099672#msg20099672))
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wYO8.png (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1715214.0)

7/13/17 - Order confirmed with Tesla.  Pictures and information provided for engineering team.

8/2/17 - Powerwall engineering design completed.  Site plan received.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wyC3.jpeg

8/7/17 - News agency Cryptoinsider published a story about our Green Energy Project.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wJYw.png (https://cryptoinsider.com/sustainable-bitcoin-mining-interview-ognasty/)

10/17/17 - Gunbot The Automatic Profit Generator for Kraken, Poloniex, Bittrex has sponsored NastyMining with the purchase of a SportsArt ECO-POWR™ G510 Indoor Cycle. (link (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1783328.msg23156337#msg23156337))
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wYO8.png (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1715214.0)

10/30/17 - News agency Newscientist.com published a story mentioning our Green Energy Project.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wVi9.png (https://www.newscientist.com/article/2151823-bitcoin-mining-uses-more-energy-than-ecuador-but-theres-a-fix/)

11/6/17 - Residential Battery Installation Application submitted to the electricity company.

11/22/17 - Residential Battery Installation Application submitted to the city.

2/6/18 - Residential Battery Installation Application approved by electric company.

3/6/18 - Tesla Powerwall 2 Installed!
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wrwN.jpeg (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1783328.msg31815927#msg31815927)

3/30/18 - Tesla Powerwall 2 passed inspection and is switched on!

11/15/18 - Tesla Powerwall 2 firmware updated to activate energy arbitrage!

3/20/19 - Supports added to Wind Turbine pole for increased stability.

7/01/19 - Inverters replaced on solar panels to increase output and reporting accuracy.

Congratulations on being able to rase enough capital to start this project.

I have no doubt that this will end up being a very successful project!

This is awesome ! enviromental friendly bitcoin mining.

Well done OgNasty, this is a huge step forward for all NastyFans.

Wow! Great Job. Happy to be a Nasty Fans!

Very cool indeed! :)

very nice

I have found solar power to be really reliable.

Way more reliable the bitmain s9's or r4's

Buysolar and I now have 3 avalon 721's
and 2 ⅓ s9's
and ½ r4    in our solar array venture

he also has 2 s9's  for himself  along with a s-7    for a total of 82th.  Would have been more  but lots of dead s9's.

Good luck

Congrats with your project!

I wanted to become a member of the nastyfans.org but it looks like all the seats are already taken.

Can you provide a link to where I can visit the online auction to see if any fanclub members are selling seats? Because I haven't managed to find one unfortunately.

You can purchase seats using the online auction at nastyfans.org (https://nastyfans.org/) as stated in the OP.

WoW great!

Are these solarpanels now part of nastyfans?
I mean, who paid for them?

Is this an exclusive thing or what is nastyfans anyways? are you trying to operate a cloud mining thing? I think you should've done this from at least 2 years ago, I'd like to see a similar project where all the trusted and reputed members all together running a business where community could rely on their credibility to deliver what they promise, but seems like no one cares. shouldn't this be in services to get more visits?

The AC Modules provide power to NastyMining.  I paid for them.



Anyone can be a member of NastyFans, which was established in 2012.  There is plenty more information available about NastyFans in this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0

Congratulations OgNasty, really cool addition! 

Very glad to see that this project is getting to an almost finalized stage! Good job!

Really cool project!!!Thanks, Ogs.

But I'm just waiting for the solar statistics. :) ???

Very cool. I just moved to Arizona, so this may be in my future!

The first thing that went to my mind is to ask why do they name it Nasty? But never mind, all I really want to say is that this project is awesome. I am really a fan of mining farms who are using sustainable alternative energy such as taming the power of the sun. Solar Technology is a great way for saving electricity and this is why I love this project. I am interested to invest on this company and I hope there is an online site wherein we can apply even though I am thousand miles away from their area.

This is cool to see. The more alternative renewable energy sources that are used, the more sustainable Bitcoin becomes.

You sir have done you research the equipment you selected is the best of the best. I look forward to seeing the system getting installed and seeing Nasty Mining moving "Green"  ;D

Thanks.  I tried to go with the best available option.

I installed 35 of those panels.. I currently have 4500 KW hours credit with Con Edison in Bronx, NY

NastyMining YoBit.net Sponsorship!

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3w2oT.png (https://www.yobit.net/en/)

YoBit.net (https://www.yobit.net/en/) has generously agreed to sponsor NastyMining by donating enough BTC to purchase a wind turbine and bring our total green energy system to over 10KW.  Since we will be generating electricity through wind and solar power, it seems right to rename this thread to NastyMining Green Energy Project and update the logo.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3wUll.png (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0)

The logo looks really amazing

Kudos to yobit for sponsoring for the project

Well done.

May I ask if this project is some sort of experiment / proof of concept or actually for profit?

Great project! Of course it is always good to use green energy but this is almost impossible without sponsors. So YoBit is really doing something good for our planet, no joke.

P.S. Although I like your logo very much I want to make one suggestion. I think it would look better if the blades of the wind turbine were a little bit longer and a little bit wider. But as I said I like it as it is too.

Good luck with your project, guys!

My goals are to have fun and help build something awesome. I imagine those purchasing NastyFans seats do so with the intention of earning a profit.

How much is a share/seat?

Take a look at the NastyFans thread where there is plenty of information available on seats:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0

News agency Consolidated Crypto has published a story about our Green Energy Project here:

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3u8lf.png (http://consolidatedcrypto.com/bitcoin-mining-green-og-nasty-solar)

The solar installation has been scheduled for March 24th.  It is assumed that we will receive approval from the electric company prior to that.

Approval from the electric company has been received.  No more hurdles until after installation.

Do you offer cloud mining?

I think the idea is that through the purchase of seats it funds the other seats as well as the purchase and hosting of mining equipment which OGnasty would then maintain and upgrade/reinvest as he saw fit.

Each seat passively collects an unknown amount of coin based on the hashpower and sale of seats/seals and other nasty products.

Not really a cloudmining situation.

You'd be purchasing seats off someone else who was selling them. In no way do seat sales fund other seats or mining equipment. Mining equipment purchases are funded with 25% of the NastyFans donation distribution. There are also no hosting costs as space, internet and electricity are donated.

My bad, I was under the impression that the purchase of seats from the nastyfans site included a donation to all the other seats?

Regardless, I PM'd you about some equipment? Let me know what would work for you if that's an option.

Nope.  If you buy a NastyFans seat in the public auction, you are buying it from another fan who is selling it.  It is in no way distributed to all the seats or has any effect on them whatsoever.

The last two days have been mostly installing brackets and running electrical but the panels have arrived.  They should finish installation tomorrow.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3uLm5.jpeg


The various breaker/control boxes have been installed and passed the initial city inspection.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3ucVz.jpeg


Electrical lines have been run to the roof.  These will be painted to match the house.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3uhD2.jpeg

i am interesting with the project because i think its about green energy that will safe much of money and beside that this project is something new that will help many bitcoin company if they are apply this too. i am interesting with the panels and i think for now, the panels price is still expensive but i am sure that the panels will help to reduce the cost of the fee. i look in the picture, the control boxes is really safe and i think you did a good job sir. good luck for your project and i hope you can get success with your project.

Here's an image of the work going on topside, and I've uploaded a drone video (https://youtu.be/eUx3LWPb4kI) of the progress.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3urld.jpeg

sorry, is this completely off-the grid system?
why not using a combination with the on-grid system?
if i may ask, what's the consideration of going with that route?

I agree, can you not purchase a grid-tie inverter and sell extra power or at least store energy credits with the power company?

Selling your potentially wasted renewable energy to the power company is a good sidebyside with bitcoin mining. They should be able to come out and install a proper connection for you, then all you'd have to do is swap out or install into your solar system an additional inverter that connects to their box.

My local power company allows us to store our generated energy on the grid...in trade for power credits that count towards the power bill. At the end of the year or whenever they payout a lump sum of any unused credit. Very useful as a backup source of power...even if you have a completely green setup.

Also, this is cool af...I'm envious of your setup.

No.  We have been mining for 5+ years on the grid at this location.  The below picture is a bit deceiving because just to the right is a typical 200amp residential breaker box.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3uvZC.jpeg



The panels being used are SunPower E20 327W AC Modules w/ Integrated Microinverters.  They are far superior in efficiency to the typical linked solar panels in a single grid-tie inverter setup.  The electric company does allow us to sell excess energy to the grid and I am grandfathered into a plan that allows me to receive retail rates.  This is ideal because we will be overproducing in the day to sell at peak rates and buying back power at night when it is cheaper.  I am hoping that agreement along with the addition of a wind turbine later this year helps to bridge the gap in the currently estimated 30% shortfall of green energy production needed to sustain the current operation.

If you have decent wind flow...it's waaaaay cheaper to harvest than solar, it tends to come in bursts though so can be less reliable.

The solar installation has been completed.  The final step will be passing inspection with the electric company.  See the drone video of the panels here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKisxNn1ueQ

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3u3pJ.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKisxNn1ueQ)

- OP

Very nice, congrats on this project hope it will be successfully.
I wish you all the luck!

Cheers

I've just received notification that the final inspection by the electric company will take place tomorrow.  If everything goes well, by tomorrow afternoon NastyMining will officially be running on solar power!

The NastyMining Green Energy Project was just mentioned in this article:
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3uImm.png (https://news.bitcoin.com/renewable-solar-power-mining-operations/)
Source: https://news.bitcoin.com/renewable-solar-power-mining-operations/

Very cool, great job Og! I just read the bitcoin.com article before coming here.

Great project guys!
You should also check out #solarcoin
Cheers,
-lfloorwalker

While the system passed today's inspection, I'm told there is still one more inspection to pass before the system gets turned on.  For now, we wait.

Glad to hear it passed :)

I also find the name Nasty to be something off or odd but given the reputation of this group and once you realized that they are into something nice then we realize that the name is just there to get our attention and to be unique. In a world of common brands and names, having something that can stand out is something to be considered as imperative.

Anyway, I do find this project of suing solar power to be a good move so that if this project can prove to be profitable then we can expect more similar project in the coming days. The power of the sun can be exploited to gain the power of the cryptocurrency called as Bitcoin....a great combination.

When is the next inspection :)

I was told it could happen anytime in the next 4 weeks but they won't give me any specifics.

Really impressive here guys.

If interested, it is possible to plug in a raspberrypi to track and post your solar energy production to the solarcoin blockchain. Will use 3-4 watts. You can also mint (POST) Solarcoin using the same raspberry pi as a full node.  more info on www.electricchain.org (http://www.electricchain.org) There is also a solarcoin telegram channel which is pretty active.

https://github.com/Scalextrix/SolarCoin-Raspberry-Pi-Node (https://github.com/Scalextrix/SolarCoin-Raspberry-Pi-Node)

What is your make of microinverter?  I saw you said they were included in the panel?

EDIT: apologies, I saw you linked to those SunPower ones

Will be interesting to see how your investments compare:
http://trilema.com/2017/the-incidental-humiliation-of-obamas-clean-energy-policies-marc-andreessens-internet-of-farts-and-other-such-comedic-gold-bricks/
Remember to change your passwords lol

This project was voted a winner of the "Most Appreciated Post" contest on the Bitcoin.com forums!  As a result, we have won 0.7 BTC that will be sent to the NastyMining holdings address!

Today I received notification that all of my documents have been approved by the electric company.  The next step will be an installer coming out to verify that the installed equipment matches the approved documents and swap out a test production meter with a bi-directional billing meter.  At that point I will be awaiting final email confirmation that the system has passed all safety inspections in order to flip the switch and activate the system.

I viewed drone video of your nasty mining project. I am really amazed, seems there is invested huge amount of money in it but in result you'll get success, there is no doubt to my mind.
Also have you to pay goverment for wind electricity in USA? Will you consider altcoin mining in this project?

In the USA the government pays us to install alternative energy solutions.

We do currently mine NMC alongside BTC.  If I were to stop generating vanity addresses, I imagine I would use those rigs to mine ETH.  I've also been looking into purchasing an LTC asic miner to begin supporting Litecoin and it is quite possible that will happen soon.

That's very good from usa, I didn't know that.
It will be very interesting which miner you'll choose for that since there are baikal miners in market and also bitmain created new altcoin miner, won't they be better than ltc asic miner or are they only for dash? sorry don't know. Also will there be hashrate selling from your side?

I'm currently awaiting Bitmain to put the L3 on sale, but if or when that will happen is anyone's guess.  We have no plans to sell hashrate, we use it to support p2pool.

Edit:  Bitmain released an L3+ this morning, and I managed to purchase one for this operation.

not hijacking your thread but think im a bit behind you XD iv got to find me some more efficient miners than the USB miners im using but its fun little project, good luck to you on yours

http://imgur.com/a/6tqYE

Your images were too big.  Let me help by posting resized images for you.

Good luck to you as well!

Hey i didn't see this topic before, but this is some really good project.

currently i am a master student in environmental and bio-based systems biotechnology and dealing with renewable energy and things bio systems.

This project of your is something even i thought of but since i am in no state of bootstrapping finance i am planning it for the future.

I would like to be a part of the project if that is possible. i cannot give funds but maybe some help with they technology itself if its in my domain of study.

this is a cool project. Please sign up for GreenCoin (http://www.grcoin.com/)!

are u related to nastyfans?

can someone participate as a cloud miner if i don't have miner machine to host at your data center?

I don't think that nastyfans actually utilizes a data center.

I don't see any reason why you couldn't point your mining equipment at the nastypool provided that you have the ability to point equipment at the pool of your choice. I understand that many cloud mining contracts do not allow this.

Does Con Edison have a true up date? Eversource just paid me out about $0.03 per kWh for 500 kw. They do this once a year. 0.03 is a paltry amount considering they charge $0.18 per kWh. I wouldn't want to see you lose your credits

Today a representative from the electric company installed new meters and flipped the switch to activate the system.  We are now officially producing solar energy!

The statistics are up and running!  Still checking things out, but looking good already this morning (10am & slightly overcast).

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3uStD.png

Ognasty,
your system is nearly identical to mine and also in northeast. Your production should be almost a mirror of this:

http://imgur.com/a/GS6y6

I'm in Arizona.  Cool to see other solar owners out there.  :)

Oh, Could have sworn on the thread that you said you were in the Bronx. Must have been someone else. interested to see the production diff in the coming months.
I have a chimney casting on shadow during parts of the day on a set of 12 panels, while the other 18 are never blocked.
But the set of 12 happens to face a southwest, so I do get generation until close to sunset.

You are probably thinking of phillipma1957 in terms of "Solar on the Northeast".

I think the confusion came from the below post where bronxnua quoted the OP and gave his location.

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Another "slightly cloudy" day today, but here's an idea of how geographic location can effect solar production.  :)

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3uusq.png

"Now you're playing with power"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6KOlC393lo

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131129044304/plantsvszombies/images/9/9f/Unlimited_power.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_DqV1xdf-Y)

There's a BU joke (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWfJFQGUjNw) in here somewhere.

Northeast gets some decent production too. April showers raining on my generation lately. but here was a couple days ago
https://i.imgur.com/VprRcBd.png

Looks much better.  I'm anxious to see what my production curve will look like in July.  I'm also beginning to piece together a wind turbine system.  I'm wondering if those cheap smart plugs that chart energy usage via wifi would also chart energy production so I could have some data there.  If anyone knows the answer, or is able to give a simple energy production tracking method for a standard outlet I would love to hear it.

You mean like this:
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Monitoring-Required-Assistant-HS110/dp/B0178IC5ZY (https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Monitoring-Required-Assistant-HS110/dp/B0178IC5ZY)
Notice the remote shutoff that someone does not control..

https://i.imgur.com/aUhQJ25.jpg

Yes, but will it track production the same way it tracks usage?  I would assume so given that it is AC, but my electronics classes were many moons ago.

There is no way a plug can monitor production.
my SunPower is setup to show both overall production and overall usage.

https://i.imgur.com/Kc4pZwj.png

Sure there is.  Any regular kill-a-watt meter will do it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvHUsFEfvzQ&feature=youtu.be&t=3m8s).

News to me.

My utility meter outside shows energy flowing out of the grid and energy flowing into the grid separately. But it is unaware of energy being consumed as it it being generated.
The SunPower meter knows because of configuration being middle man between solar panels, grid and relay panel.

I've used kill-a-watt's before to measure energy consumption, it just measures the flow passing between the outlet & the device(s).

I'll have to do some testing once I get a wind turbine up and running, but I am hoping that a typical smart outlet will be capable of tracking the energy production from an inverter.  As shown in the previously linked video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvHUsFEfvzQ&feature=youtu.be&t=3m8s), it is easy to monitor using a kill-a-watt (and there are even wifi hacks available (https://learn.adafruit.com/tweet-a-watt/)), but I want an out of the box wifi enabled monitoring solution with elegant built-in tracking software.

This should be able to do it when paired with Samsung Smart Things

https://slickdeals.net/f/9995632-aeon-labs-aeotec-z-wave-smart-energy-meter-15-more-free-shipping (https://slickdeals.net/f/9995632-aeon-labs-aeotec-z-wave-smart-energy-meter-15-more-free-shipping)

I've seen the xbee hack before using a rpi... Kill-a-watt makes a wifi model (http://p3international.com/products/p4200.html) out of the box but it's not elegant and probably only works out of the box with its own display/receiver and likely has minimal tracking, I doubt it is anything you could pull the data from remotely if that is what your trying to do?  I believe placing the device after the inverter should effectively monitor "production" in the sense that it is monitoring the energy coming out of the inverter

TED 5000C (http://www.theenergydetective.com) and eMonitor are some others you might want to look at
and "The Owl (http://www.theowl.com)" might be another manufacturer to look at.

Worst they could do is disable the wind turbine...  Not a big concern.  As far as a simple energy monitor with wifi, I was thinking more along the lines of something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-Monitoring-Wireless-Household-Appliances/dp/B01M3MYIFS/

A 1.2kW 48v wind turbine & grid tie have been purchased for this project courtesy of YoBit.net (https://www.yobit.net).  Installation is currently predicted to occur early next month.

Can you send links to the wind turbine. Not sure if my neighbors would appreciate looking at one but, very curious.

Any thought on helping with the efficiency (even a little) by utilizing Peltier modules to turn waste heat into power (ever if enough to power a fan). I know it woun't be much and possibly negative as far as cost vs savings for a long time. I have a few modules lying around to experiment with on other projects and could provide some data if needed.

I have not been able to find any manufacturer links online for the wind turbine.  I haven't unboxed it yet though, so perhaps there is some information in the instructions that I will be able to link to online.



I don't think that peltier modules would be very useful to this operation.  I'll certainly check out any proven usefulness if it's ever demonstrated, but my personal thoughts are that they are probably only good for cooling USB sticks.

I love to see solar mining projects, this one looks more legit than most! When you say 9.5kW that means it can supply up to 9500w of power? I'm not sure but I believe with solar it's different, if it were 9.5kW you wouldn't get 9.5kW/hr. If so though, that's legit if it's all coming from solar.

9.5kw means in a perfect scenario it will generate 9500w per hour.
But at best it reaches 92-98% for 1-2 hours a day. Pretty much a bell curve from sunrise to sunset on sunny days.

US power runs on AC voltage, panels usually produce DC. You always lose ~15% in conversion. If you are off the grid and have a battery. You lose anything you generate in excess of the battery capacity (which degrades like your cell phone). Also, if you store on battery, you lose a further 15% storing and retrieving. For that reason I chose grid tied and get 1:1 production/usage of my excess power. I have net metering, so I use the local provider's grid as a free battery that defies the law of physics (no 15% loss), and costs nothing to purchase/maintain

Interesting, thank you! I love solar but 1-2 hours of uptime per day doesn't seem great. I guess it's free electricity though so you can't complain too much.

Uptime is direct sunlight hitting it. midday when sun is overhead is when you can get close to theoretical max. during winter with my 10.5KW system, I was getting 45-50kw on sunny days, now around 65-70kw, I expect upto 90KW on a sunny day in mid-summer. This is because closer to the summer solstice the sun is at the highest point in the sky and the days are longest. Closer to the winter solstice, the sun is at the lowest point in the sky and the days are the shortest.

Again 'bell curve', look at prior posts, there are charts reflecting the pattern of generation.

Antminer S9 eats 30-40KWH per day depending on hashrate and powersupply/voltage used. I couldn't run two S9s in the summer because 90KW a day is optimistic sunny day. Avg the days of the month and you will have partly cloudy, ominous, rainy days. Winter avg day was probably 22 KWH, Spring 35KWH a day, Summer maybe 45-50KWH

I do not recommend Solar for Mining, there is nothing free about the electricity after massive equipment investment.
I do recommend Solar for people who use to power their homes long term (15-25 years) especially when their power is >=0.15 cent per KWH.

There are so many positive reasons to go solar...  I'd recommend it to anyone who will be living in their home for 8+ years that lives somewhere with a lot of sun and doesn't need financing.  When you look at all the incentives, added resale value, tax breaks, and rebates, it's overwhelming how much positive there is in going solar.


New APS Rates and the Value of a “Grandfathered” Solar Home (https://www.svssolutions.com/blog/new-aps-rates-and-the-value-of-a-grandfathered-solar-home)

Solar panel incentives, rebates & tax breaks (https://www.energysage.com/solar/cost-benefit/solar-incentives-and-rebates/)

11,455 Watt system.

I have 35 Sun Power panels  10 facing south and 25 east and west.

Bronx, NY

https://i.imgur.com/K3jxlha.png (http://imgur.com/K3jxlha)

Got around to taking a picture of the "pigeon-proofing" today.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3uUJ2.jpeg

My install was also a tad more since I paid to move 2 vents so the panels were contiguous.
The SunPower panels also handle albatross poop better than Hyundai panels.

Were the birds actually nesting under there?

I had to pay a little extra to have them vertically installed instead of horizontally (don't ask) to avoid having to relocate any vents. 

There weren't any birds nesting, but it's a precaution they take out here to keep it from happening. 

So those periscope-looking things are vents coming out of the roof??  I kept wondering wtf they were  :D   

Yes, I believe the 2 you're looking at in the picture are for a bathroom vent and my clothes dryer.

Nice project , need to save our earth .

... and mine BTC with no/less expenses  ;D

:)  Green statistics so far for the project.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3u2Mz.png

That is an interesting project.

That's kickass! I live in Florida, lots of sunshine here, will be placing a nice size grid on our next house when we buy, although I'm looking at it from a larger piece of property and an array on the ground. Kudos!

What is the return of energy to installation cost ratio for both the solar panels and the turbine?

Would be interesting to know which has provided better ROI.

The turbine hasn't been installed yet, so it would be impossible for me to say definitively.  That being said, the solar was installed on a much larger scale and where I am located it has obvious advantages.  It will be interesting to see the data, but I'm guessing the solar array will be much more efficient cost wise.  I also suspect the moving parts on a turbine make it far more likely to need repairs and shorten it's lifespan compared to the solar panels.

Keep us updated when it is fully operational!
Do you have the Energy production per meter squared on the solar PV cells, and what type of PV did you go for?

It is a good project for environment for sure. But is it cost effective?

Not only is it cost effective and socially conscious, it is the fastest and easiest all but guaranteed investment I've ever made with or without the Bitcoin mining aspect.

Relocating the existing thermal panels to make room for the photovoltaic panels caused them to no longer drain properly.  This was resolved by adding a secondary drainage pipe linked to both panels and connected to the main drainage pipe.  While there is still some cleanup and painting to do, I am happy to report that it is fully functional so there is no longer a constant bubbling sound as the panels struggle to drain water back into the system.  I took the opportunity to fly my drone and make a video showing a section of the upgrade.  Enjoy.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3dO9H.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBQ2OVXCRR0)
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBQ2OVXCRR0

Using solar energy to mine bitcoin ???
Or as a kind of other investment ???
I don't understand

Awesome! That drone is very stable, and the Solar setup looks great, very minimalistic.

Wow, first time i have seen here on forum a thread, where renewable energie has won this "No the COST is too much! You will never be able to became Profit!"

Congratulations and good Luck!

All existing methods of energy production from sunlight and wind are very inefficient and costly to use. I doubt that they will bring ever profits even if you place them in the desert where the sun always shines. Such projects remind me of the concept car. Nice, but expensive and not practical.

You are so very wrong.

Solar and wind are very practical to supply entire house or to supplement industrial uses.
But not practical if you have 25-50k to invest in Bitcoin and you are going for maximum ROI. The bulk of the budget will be eaten by capital outlays for the renewable hardware and install, that will take between 8-15 years to ROI based in production and prevailing prices. Additionally, systems in that range can only supply the power needs of just one 1400kwh miner.

Historically speaking, buying Bitcoin at any price has yielded the best ROI.
If you just mine for profit, leave solar out of it unless no money down and financing near equal to current dirty power.

This is awesome 8)

Are you able to keep the rigs running 24/7 with the solarpanels alone?

You need to be grid tied or have battery backup with enough capacity to last the hours where sun is non-existent or suboptimal.
Practically speaking with grid tie you'll need about 30 panels per Antminer S9 if you are in the north. if you are closer to equator with less clouds and obstructions, you may be able to power 1-2 miners with similar configuration.

The wind turbine sponsored by Yobit.net is up and spinning!  The installation is not finished, as I'm awaiting additional hardware to capture the low voltage electricity when it is spinning at slow speeds and am still awaiting a hi-res image to place on the turbine.  It is however functioning well at high speeds and we have begun generating wind energy in addition to solar!  I wanted to give a "first look" but will post a much more in depth video complete with drone footage as well as showing additional equipment when the installation has been finished.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3dfTf.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REnlKvo27go)
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REnlKvo27go

I want to know how the turbine does in really low winds as that might be an alternate option for me than the higher costing polycrystaline systems. Anywhere your power company will store your generated on the grid I think it would also be amazing whenever there's a wild burst...

I randomly stumbled upon this thread, OgNasty this is an amazing project, one that i may try to mimic (once i can afford it)

Honestly, at low speeds, it isn't worth the effort unless you want something pretty to look at in your yard.  I'm going to stack a low voltage inverter mostly for my own peace of mind that it's generating a small amount a majority of the day instead of just big bursts occasionally or when there's a storm.  

The power company doesn't store overproduced electricity, they pay the going rate at the time it is fed into the grid.  Having our own battery storage might be an attractive option, as it would allow us to go off the grid, saving our hardware from potential failure due to blackouts and allow us to continue mining, as well as sell any electricity produced during off peak times at peak rates.  Peak rate pricing doesn't hit until 12:00 and it is very common looking at the stats that we overproduce electricity in the hours just before.  If we had a battery storage solution, we could store this overproduced energy (as well as fully charge our battery cells using cheap rates) and dump it back into the grid or use it when the peak electricity rates hit.



Thank you.  It has been a lot of fun.

OgNasty, How noisy is this setup? Dangerous for birds? How is the Neighbor acceptance factor?

Not noisy at all.  The wind has to be blowing hard to even hear a 'whooshing' sound when standing right next to it.  My pool waterfall is louder and the exhaust vents from my mining operation are MUCH louder.

The neighbors seem to like it so far.  It's fun to watch. 

Dangerous to birds is a bit of a positive side effect as they are afraid of it (I'll update if we have any injuries).  I've had issues with pigeons using my grotto waterfall as a bird bath, and my decorative owl only scares them away about 1/3 of the time (the hawks in the field behind my house do a better job).  I have yet to see a pigeon near the turbine since it's installation so that has been a noticeable benefit.

As a bit of a side note, my home is located on the path of an annual bat migration.  I enjoy watching them fly past my backyard.  I suspect their echolocation will protect them from going near the turbine, but I will keep my eye open for injured bats and pigeons.  If the turbine does injure a bat, I will explore methods for providing them protection.

Is is nice that you care about the entire ecological impact and not just pollution  ;)

Do you store electricity generated during day in Battery? or just mine during sunlight or wind time?

I have contemplated a solar setup using used solar panels.  They can be quite cheap.  I have an acre of land, but I would have to build a ground mount setup.  Not sure how that can be done cheaply.  I have found very expensive preconfigured systems for ground mounting.   I am also not knowledgeable enough to understand how I can tie into my electric supply.  I have a separate meter with a 100 amp breaker since I only have 100 amp service.  My circuit breaker panel is separate inside the home, but I don't have any empty circuits.  Its all full.

Here's some drone footage of the new wind turbine.  I think I should be able to completely finish the installation on Tuesday.  I'm expecting some more hardware to arrive Monday.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3dk7G.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGC6HrBv2-0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGC6HrBv2-0

Well, I have a bit of bad news.  I've been struggling to get the maximum amount of production from the new wind turbine.  I eventually caved in and paid for an electrician.  While it was nice to have it confirmed that my wiring wasn't the problem, the end result was a diagnosis of a faulty turbine generator.  So, I have taken down the turbine and sent it back to the manufacturer for a refund.  Unfortunately, the manufacturer is out of stock on 1.2KW turbines, so I will have to order a 1.5KW replacement.  They look identical though, so the videos are still reflective of what will be, with the exception that I have now painted the pole 2 colors (tan/blue) to blend with the wall/sky behind the pole.  I've also stacked a low voltage inverter with the previous inverter to help capture energy with low winds.  I will update again with pictures of the entire setup when the refund/upgrade process is complete.

Been looking into solar panels for a while now. How many hours of sun (per day) do you have on average?

I am located in the sunniest part of the United States.

According to this map, I get around 6 hours of direct sunlight per day.

http://www.solardirect.com/outdoor-lighting/solar/street/area-light/solar-insolation-map.html

Here is what my power production curve looks like on a typical day:

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3dsAq.png

Nice, seems like I would get half of that according to your map. Guess my ROI would be a little longer but I am a big fan of green energy. Although there are no environmental issues according to some world leaders  :D.

That is true free renewable energy that we have is sun hydro geothermal air we must put end on drilling fossil fuels and it will ruin our mother nature we knew that our earth is at stake time goes by year by year decades by decades temperature is rising yearly and ice is melting on north and south pole. Times time for us to do our job and protect the nature soon we will run out of energy if we don't use it wisely great job on this project i will look after this.

Not to sound like a shill for the solar industry, but if you have enough money to put down and are lucky enough to be in the US and in a state that's solar-friendly, there are some great state-sponsored benefits as well as the 30% federal tax credit; I'm putting a 13.2kW roof system on my house for under $40k, with the work starting in a few weeks once permits are settled most likely. I'll be getting a $11.5k tax credit to carry forward to the next few years, and then with my state's SREC (solar renewable energy credit) program I'll be able to sell 11-15 credits a year to the utility companies, at $150-225 each, for the next 15 years. It's not quite as alluring as the quick and easy money that bitcoin mining promises, but it's a good long-term investment and can also be a great way to make a small bitcoin mining operation self-sustaining and therefore better able to compete against the massive farms buying electricity for 2c/kWh. If you're interested in this kind of project and have any money saved up, or good enough credit to get a 0-down loan at a decent fixed rate, I highly recommend looking into your own state's incentive programs. If your state doesn't have any, call and bother your state legislative representatives about it; they should certainly be doing something with their time other than trying to figure out how best to legally gerrymander the districts for their own party's benefit, whichever party it might be, or how best to legally launder the bribes they're getting by calling them "perks."

Whether your state has good solar incentives or not, if you decide to have it professionally installed be certain to call all the installers you can. The system I'm getting installed now is $60k cheaper than the first offer I got, more powerful, and uses equipment that's been rated higher on durability and efficiency. That first offer was over $7/watt, the one I'm actually getting installed will be $2.92/watt; I've seen several others in the $3.20-$3.60 range. These prices will vary based on your area, probably, but they shouldn't be too far off. If you don't have it professionally installed, I have no advice for you other than to research the laws. Some states won't allow solar energy systems to be grid-tied unless they're installed by a SEIA/NABCEP-certified pro, regardless of whether you have the skill to do so or not.

You guys have made it! It is very nice to see that the solar energy is being harnessed upto such great extent. It is great to see those solar panels over the roof! I would like to know the power of these panels in rainy season if it is dominant there. Because in that period it would be dropping in terms of its efficiency. But anyway you will have atlas 8+ months to harvest solar energy and go beyond the break even point. I am amusing you storing the energy into back up power supply to make it work in the night as well? and are you switching the power in between with ground electricity and solar energy to make it more profitable. Im excited to answers to my question please, do reply even though they are stupid. :-)

We don't have much of a rainy season here in the desert.



Installing a battery backup for the capability to go off the grid, mine through power outages, and profit from rate arbitrage is a current goal.  We do take advantage of low cost nuclear grid energy as well.

Hey, have you become your new wind turbine? I really waiting to see its power output on low winds.
This low voltage inverter, are you buying it or you make it self?
Also as i learning renewable energies at the University, can you send me by pm some of your circuit schematics? Of course when you can and will it:)

Let's consider it's 8-12 hours. Making of electricity at that time is quite enough. It's a zero cost electricity. Only once we have to inverse for implementation. Then we can easily make  electricity with the help of that . We have to use solar energy for electricity making.Even we can try wind energy.We can use sea waves for electricity.All the above stated are Green project. It will not affect our earth.

Such a wind turbine depends on the wind. This is not the best option, but maybe you are in a place where always a strong wind blows. There are wind turbines of different design which are less noisy and use other threads for rotation. I think they are more promising.

This turbine is nearly silent.  Wind blowing through the trees makes more noise.  I think wind turbines in general are bad with on-grid use though.  They are much better suited to provide small amounts of DC power to charge a battery.  I will be exploring adding a battery system, not just for the ability to go off the grid and profit from rate arbitrage, but also to increase production from the wind turbine.

Looks cool project and love towards the green energy sources. Nice set up you have got there. I will try to invest in the nasty fan group real soon as if now I’m managing my funds for this. Thanks for sharing and creating such interesting set up of mining industry.

@OgNasty I wanted to show you this, Solar roof glass tile from Tesla https://twitter.com/TeslaMotors/status/792215795874922497
Unbreakable or replaced for free for lifetime and far more esthetic
http://positivr.fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/tuiles-solaires-toit-tesla-5-696x376.jpg

While you are generating electricity you have also destroyed your house. I know you can say it's not mine and you don't live on the roof but seriously its just horrible, it kills the charm of your house. I never liked solar panels on the roofs because of this.

I laughed at that. My solar panels look awesome and I get nothing but compliments. They're also far more efficient than Tesla's solar tiles, half the cost, and my current roof tiles are in great shape. Spending twice as much to replace them with a less efficient system would be a foolish waste of money and I have no reason to hide my solar panels. I like that it's very easy to identify that my home is solar powered and I think the aesthetics are a positive. Then again, I live somewhere that most houses have solar panels, so the homes without them are the naked looking ones...

With some help from my neighbor, the wind turbine is back in action.

Very cool stuff! Looking to do this myself at some point.

Gunbot Sponsorship Announcement - Tesla Powerwall 2

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3dPUI.png (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1715214.0)

Gunbot (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1715214.0) The Automatic Profit Generator for Kraken, Poloniex, Bittrex has sponsored NastyMining with the purchase of a Tesla Powerwall 2.  Having a battery backup will enable us to go "off the grid" with the ability to mine through power outages as well as allowing for us to store excess off-peak energy production to feed back into the grid at peak rates.  This is another great step forward for NastyMining, as we continue our quest to be a best in class socially responsible Bitcoin mining operation.




 https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3dRTd.png (https://www.tesla.com/powerwall)


The Powerwall is a rechargeable lithium-ion battery stationary energy storage product manufactured by Tesla, Inc.  The Powerwall is intended to be used for home energy storage and stores electricity for solar self-consumption, time of use load shifting, backup power, and off-the-grid use.  The larger Powerpack is intended for commercial or electric utility grid use and can be used for peak shaving, load shifting, backup power, demand response, microgrids, renewable power integration, frequency regulation, and voltage control.

Pretty awesome.   I would venture a guess and say that you are likely the only mining operation to have gone this far to "go green".   

Also, a big thanks to Gunbot, as a member of nastyfans, this benefits me quite a bit in the future as well.

Yesterday I put up the deposit for the order and provided Tesla with pictures of the installation area as well as information about my sub panels and breaker boxes, etc...  Today an employee at Tesla reached out to me to let me know they have submitted the information to their engineering team.  I should be hearing back from them in about a week to approve design plans.

Og this is a pretty awesome setup. Love what you are doing here.

Awesome! I didn't think there would be a powerwall this quickly. Nice work!

ditto ...

and an great escrow agent ...

you seem to be doing it all mate :) ...

#crysx

Nice project I would like to see more mining projects like this really energy friendly for the world and environment.

interesting project, all the best dev! look forward to updates

There were 70mph winds last night in our first monsoon test for the wind turbine.  I'll admit the pole was flexing quite a bit, the sound it made was like something out of a horror film (actually reminded me of this scene from Crocodile Dundee 2 (https://youtu.be/pyB4vHRgmY8?t=35s)), and when I tried to go get video of it I could only describe the scene as terrifying.  Nevertheless, it survived, and powered our current mining operation singlehandedly throughout the night.   ;D

very Nasty indeed ...

https://pics.onsizzle.com/i-never-said-that-climate-change-was-a-chinese-conspiracy-4336268.png

i am a newbie to home ownership and am considering adding solar panels to my roof. One thing I just noticed from many panel specs: they are 12V DC.

Is there a way to hook the panels directly to a rig, bypassing the inverter etc.? I know battery is needed for overnight operation but I just want to know if this can be done, why or why not.

Thanks.

My panels have AC inverters built into them.  They go straight into my home's power without a battery currently.  There is no way I'm aware of to power a miner using solar power without the use of an inverter. 

OG,

why isn't this possible? btc rigs all take input of 12VDC in my understanding.

Well, when your device can take 12 VDC input then solarpanel with 12VDC output can be fit directly there, but you need a battery system cause the sun light isn't constant. But when a miner is connected to a 220-230 VAC with a power supply (transformer 220 VAC - 12 VDC) or something like that and you don't want to put it away, only in that situation (perhaps) you take panels with integreted inverter (12 VDC - 220-230 VAC) thats fits directly to power of the house  

Amazing project you are doing!!
Self sustaining bitcoins haha :)

Good luck with it!!

It was a busy day yesterday. I found myself climbing around in my attic running wiring for a new surveillance camera. Now both the front and backyard are being actively monitored and recorded. Hopefully it is never needed, but nice to have another layer of security for this growing operation. I also hooked up a new energy monitoring device capable of monitoring both inverters in an attempt to see how much electricity the wind turbine is producing. Hopefully by the end of August I'll have enough data to begin charting that as well.

I've had a few conversations with Tesla employees to help them design the engineering plans for the Powerwall 2 install. I was unaware that my electric company has to sign off and the city has to issue a permit for this installation. While I don't see this as being a problem, it will most likely mean that installation is at least 2 months away.

Thanks for all the kind words on this project! It's been a lot of fun so far!

This can be done if you have a small miner, one or two solar panels, and a 12V battery, all in very close proximity to each other. One key item to remember is that with say a 1Kw miner, that's 83+ Amps at 12V. That's a bunch of pretty serious wires to carry that current. If you have enough panels to produce 1KW, it isn't practical to place those close to the miner and the battery. When you get to tens or maybe a hundred feet of cable to carry 80 Amps at 12V, it gets to be pretty cumbersome. Just imagine what it would be like with 10 Kw of solar panels.

Just like with electric companies, it's much better to use a higher voltage with lower amperage to transmit power over distance (e.g. miles). Same principle for a solar setup since you don't want a mass of heavy gauge wire to connect all the components, just on a smaller scale. You don't want to lose a lot of power, just in the wiring. You see this at all levels of a power distribution system where it's more efficient to use a higher voltage to get a lower current (e.g. 240V or 480VAC for high power applications).

Thank you. I completely missed out on the amp aspect.

Awesome! Can't wait to follow this!

I'm sure I'm not the only one impressed at what you're doing - well done, it's great to see mining using renewable energy.

I think it's safer to say you need an inverter. It's like power coming into house it gets turned up n down . Id think you'd burn that miner either fire or edit: burst of power.

They have an office in AA.

OG I forget which post. But which n what will you be mining? This 8/1 issue. And prospect of Nov?

There will only be one BTC.

Ride or Die eh. Good to know. Let's hope for the best wvthe storm.

This too shall pass.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3dA1m.jpeg

There is no sense to hope for a storm. There are wind turbines which work in any weather. Even in the absence of wind. The picture of the older model and not just windy weather but also to install it in the tower. It's the last day. Technology is not standing still. But in any case, it is better than solar panels.

English must not be your 1st language. The "storm" is Aug 1 this big fight NOT weather :D

I think it's better to use inverter and battery instead of connecting directly to your RIG.
Sunlight does not always shine. Automatic electricity generated solar panels are not stable.
I am afraid your RIG will be quickly broken if connect directly to the solar panel.
And your RIG requires not only 12V but 3V and 5V.
Thanks

I make a project similar to in turkey. How can I find a sponsor?

You could do what I did.  Start a public community project, run it for 5+ years transparently with no major technical issues, distribute over 700 BTC to members of the project, promote it to various news outlets, prove your ability to grow alongside the Bitcoin network without need to raise outside funding, invest a ton of your own money into green energy producing equipment, then keep everything running flawlessly while providing statistics and daily support to users with questions.

Powerwall engineering plans have been completed and the site plan is below.  The next step will be submitting permits.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3dwR1.jpeg

and then severely fuck up your future by ripping off someone you used to work with...

Anbar Preiss from Cryptoinsider.com was kind enough enough to publish this article about the NastyMining Green Energy Project.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3Xx8N.png (https://cryptoinsider.com/sustainable-bitcoin-mining-interview-ognasty/)

It is nice to be somewhat prepared for multiple scenarios.  Keeping my eye on the Blockstream Satellite Project (https://blockstream.com/satellite/) as I think that would be cool to support.  I'm also continuing to explore options for a peddle powered generator to continue increasing our green energy footprint.

Still waiting on permits for the Powerwall.  Wind turbine is holding up great, as are the solar panels. 

I added this to the OP a while ago showing the daily wattage readings from the plug monitor that I'm getting.  It most certainly monitors production, although maybe not as good as it could.  When I get more data it'll make more sense.  There was a lot of downtime during this monitoring period while I was getting things setup properly.

Wind Statistics:
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With the ruling of the Arizona Corporation Commission being finalized and the expiration of previously offered solar rate options on September 1st, I am happy to say that we have locked in solar rate sellback pricing for the next 20 years.  We will receive a minimum of $0.145 per kWh for the next 20 years, while new solar customers will currently receive $0.125 per kWh, an amount will be lowered by 10% per year until it reaches commercial rates.

This is a big win for the Green Energy Project, as it assures us not only access to cheap power, but access to a high compensation rate for excess produced energy decades into the future.  

Thats a really sweet deal. Awesome!

I've spoken with representatives from Tesla a few times now.  Apparently they are having some issues getting the go ahead from my electric company.  They are stating that my electric company has never approved a Powerwall before, and they have no precedent for it.  I'm told that a meeting will occur next week to go over everything and hopefully earn approval from the electric company to install the battery and go off the grid. 

Update on our environmental impact so far as we approach the 6 month mark.

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Do you install also in Europe? How many BTCs can be mined by a 11Kw Solar/wind?

I do not install in Europe. The amount of BTCs mined depends upon your luck, hardware, & length of time mining.

My current setup would be enough to power about 25TH/s around the clock.

Sponsorship Expansion!

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Gunbot has expanded upon their previous sponsorship of the Tesla Powerwall 2 by purchasing a man-powered generator for NastyMining!  This professional grade eco-cycle is built for commercial fitness facilities and is a great addition to our green energy arsenal as we become a solar/wind/man powered Bitcoin mining operation.

SportsArt ECO-POWR™ G510 Indoor Cycle (link (https://us.gosportsart.com/product/g510-indoor-cycle/))
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Silver NastyMining Bitcoin Wallets are now available for sale! (link (https://nastyfans.org/mint))

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I’ve been trying to think of a way to go hydro for a while. Unfortunately in the desert, that is a challenge. I have a drainage channel behind my house that would actually work perfectly, but it only rains about 10 days per year here.

The SportsArt ECO-POWR™ G510 Indoor Cycle has arrived and been assembled.  It has successfully generated it's first hundred Wh and is sure to be another interesting element to this project.

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(stock photo)

This Green Energy Project was mentioned in a recent newscientist.com article about Bitcoin energy usage. 

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/01/11/3aR9g.png (https://www.newscientist.com/article/2151823-bitcoin-mining-uses-more-energy-than-ecuador-but-theres-a-fix/)
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2151823-bitcoin-mining-uses-more-energy-than-ecuador-but-theres-a-fix/

There have been some issues with my electric company not having a set process for approving residential batteries, but it appears that has now been worked out.  I've been informed that Tesla has submitted the Residential Battery Installation Application to my electric company.  If the solar panel timeline is any guide, installation and activation of the Tesla Powerwall 2 system should occur over the next 1-2 months.

I signed application paperwork last night for Tesla so they can submit to the city for Powerwall 2 installation approval.  All agencies involved are new to this process for residential off grid energy storage, so it has been very slow going.  I am doing all I can to speed things along. 

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Hi. Is anybody on this thread selling bitcoin on any exchange at present that has been sourced environmentally through solar, wind etc?

Is there demand for this?  I'd certainly be willing to exchange coins mined through environmentally friendly means at a premium for regular coins.

There's definitely a demand but i don't think at a premium.

I had an idea of creating an exchange where you have to prove your coins were mined sustainable. But I'm not a developer. If the prices are the same, I'm sure more people would chose the environmentally friendly way.

This application was returned today with a request to Tesla for more information.  I will update once the application has been resubmitted.

Man I get the feeling that the power company must not like Tesla if they make em jump thru hoops to install.  :(

It was a problem I recognized early on and starting working towards in 2014 (https://www.ccn.com/nasty-mining-nastyfans-coin-different-way-mine-man-behind/).  Always gotta keep your eyes ahead of the curve and not behind you.

We can only hope that energy companies will get it one day and accept that green energy is mainstream of the future...

I like your project, guys...

If I want to join your mining pool with my equipment, what miners would you recommend?
I am deciding between Antminer S9, Avalon 7, Baikal Giant X10 or Dragonmint? I hear S9's die a lot?

The NastyPool is sha256 only, so the Antminer S9 would be the best choice.  If you're worried about reliability, the Avalon isn't a bad choice either.

Here is our public member count list.  It shows the number of NastyFans accounts since December of 2012.  You can see we currently have 568 active member accounts.

https://nastyfans.org/members.csv

Its that most grid tie stuff at the homeowner level is a pain in the ass for them, and they want to make sure that some poor lineman isn't going to get lit up because somebody thinks their DIY BS is 'green'.  Look at how many stupid idiots use double ended 'suicide cords' to power their house every hurricane....  Add in the obvious lack of any basic science education or reading/research (this forum is a good example "how do I mine bitcoin on my android") , and it's a recipe for a big time sink for them.

Small little sources on the grid are difficult to manage.  Green energy in most parts of the country requires other quick turn base loads (natural gas where I live) for when clouds/wind don't work....  It isn't cheap.

(full disclosure - I have a 10KW grid tied, battery backed up system that was inspected by the electrical inspector and utility.  It's expensive, and absolutely will never ROI, never.)  Yeah, I mine with it, but it's not green...



 

Your questions seem to be about the NastyFans seats and not the green energy project. I would direct you to the NastyFans thread for more information on them.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86854.0

With enough funds available, anything is possible.

There are too many variables to make an accurate estimate, but if you want numbers, here goes...

$25,000 and 8 years.

USA.

There are so many variables involved, someone could make the numbers say whatever they want. 

If I ignore variables for the solar array like peak/holiday/weekend rates, electrical rate increases, etc...  I would wind up with a ~10 year ROI time.  If I try to calculate all these variables, it is closer to 6-8 years ROI.  As more time passes and I get more data, I will have a more accurate picture.  You have to remember I haven't even had the system for a full year yet.  I think 8 years is a good estimate though.

The wind turbine is a little more difficult because I've had it for less time and wind is harder to predict than sunlight.  When I calculate the numbers I have, I get an ROI time between 3-100 years depending on which snapshot of data you use.  If I were to make a lot of assumptions, I think a ~20 year ROI time is possible.  If I installed a larger more powerful wind turbine & batteries (mine aren't installed yet) I think I could have reduced the ROI time, but for a residential neighborhood I think I have pushed the limits of sanity already.

I should note that these ROI times include owning the equipment outright at the end of the time period.  While a wind turbine will likely be non-functioning and worthless in 20 years, a solar array will still have a high value in 8 years, likely meaning in the case of the solar array your ROI is actually getting a free solar array.

My conclusion is that while wind turbines are not ready for typical residential use yet, solar power is a no brainer for anyone living in a sunny climate who owns their home and plans to live there for a decade or more.

Hi OG,

Your thread is really inspiring! great stuff!

I wanted to ask to see if you could direct me in the right direction. Currently where I live I get different power rates depending on the time of day.

At night for 10 hours I get $0.06 per KWH. During the day I get $0.14 certain times and $0.08 other hours.

I wanted to research the way I could charge enough batteries during the night with Street power at the $.06 cent rate so I could then use the batteries during the time where highest rate is running.

Initially I would not think about adding solar since I want to charge during the night. In this case what technology would you recommend?

Initially I am shooting for 10KW for a few miners.

Cheers!

I’m in the midst of trying to take advantage of the same scenario. I decided to go with Elon Musk’s solution: https://www.tesla.com/powerwall

Hey Nasty, I just have a general solar question if you dont mind. My father has a 32 panel solar setup running his off the grid house. He has had nothing but problems with his 20 lead acid batteries and it costs almost double what that powerwall costs to replace them. Would you recommend one of these as a replacement for a traditional battery setup? If not, do you know of any other battery setup that will last longer than these crap batteries hes been stuck with?

As far as I am aware, the Tesla Powerwall is the best of the best.  There are cheaper methods if you're a DIY'er that are probably a lot more fun and rewarding.  Check out this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk50IuWXg-c

I spoke with a representative from Tesla today and was told that they have submitted a plan to the electric company to allow for "the removal of the roadblock" holding back all battery projects from moving forward.  They plan to have final approval in 4-6 weeks and will update me at that time.

I don't know where you are located, but if you are in california and you are on NEM1 or NEM2 I would be very careful about installing your powerwall.  The powerwall will change your "power plant" and will invalidate your NEM grandfather.  This could result in significant costs when drawing power from the grid.  If you are not in CA, and that is someplace in the thread I apologize.  I am in CA, and have solar and I am on NEM2.  My buddy recently installed a PW and it put him on NEM3 which carries a 7 cent cost per KW when drawing generated power out of the grid.  I was shocked. 

I don’t recall reading anything that said it were possible to invalidate my grandfathering. I’ll make sure to keep that in mind though. I’m in AZ. As you are well aware, nobody is more anal than California lawmakers, so hopefully AZ is a little more open to advancements.

Possible, sure.  I don't have access to any natural moving bodies of water or I would do it.  The only thing I could realistically do is hook up a mini hydro electric generator to my main water line that would generate a small amount of electricity whenever my landscaping gets watered or I brush my teeth...  I may do this as a gimmick after the Powerwall gets installed if it's simple enough.  I expect it would only generate a few watts per day though.

You may be safe in AZ.  I don't know the laws there.  As CA has moved through the different NEM rules with the PUC they have decided that if you make a material change to your approved plant that it will change the NEM to the newest and current NEM.  Each time CA updates the NEM, they make it a little worse for those of us who own solar.

@OGNasty

Great project, really interesting to track your progress and read about the technical aspects of larger scale solar operations.

I was wondering if you know anything about possibly repurposing solar heating panels to power a small miner or two? In the UK I believe we have restrictions on the storage of solar electricity, I think it has be converted 'live'.

Would solar heating panels generate enough to power a miner for a few hours a day?

The solar heating panels I have for my pool are nothing more than black pvc pipes. I don’t see how they could be repurposed to create energy.

There are no restrictions in the UK on storage of solar electricity. In fact, if you have solar panels you will get a payment for exporting the electricity to the grid even if you put it into your battery and use it to power your house. That's official.

This is the system I'm looking to get: http://info.fuelincluded.com/home-energy-storage

Once the battery is installed it will be somewhere around $40,000.

Which brings me to my good news of the day...

The Tesla Powerwall 2 has finally been approved by the electric company!

Tesla Powerwall site overview & installation have been scheduled for early March!

Just in time for some strong sunshine!

Awesome! I'm hoping the kiosks start popping up at the Home Depot soon (https://techcrunch.com/2018/02/02/tesla-looks-to-take-solar-mainstream-with-home-depot-partnership/), I wouldn't mind having a Powerwall unit or two.

Nice!  I wouldn't mind having 4 of them, as that's likely what would be needed to get this project off the grid.  :)  Now when will Home Depot start selling immersion cooling tanks for data centers?   :D

I just finished the on site inspection with a representative from Tesla.  Verified the installation locations for the equipment and answered some of my questions.  I'm told it will likely be 2 months before all the inspections are completed and the unit gets switched on, but it should be installed and ready to go in one week!

Glad to hear it is getting installed. This is very exciting news!

Indeed it is.  I'm told they're rolling out the software for energy arbitrage this month, so the timing is good.  However, I've also been told that I cannot accept a tax credit as a result of enabling the energy arbitrage feature (wasn't given a clear reason why), so while it would be in my personal best interests to take the large tax credit instead of enabling the energy arbitrage, that doesn't seem like it's in the best interests of NastyMining or the most fun.  Since $$$ isn't my goal here and fun is, I'm officially forgoing the tax credit for the opportunity to play with the energy arbitrage features.  8)

P.S. As a result of the heavy moderation of this thread due to all the 1-liner posts from newbies, I've disabled email alerts for this thread.  I'll check back on it every so often, but if you ask a question here and I don't respond within a reasonable time frame, feel free to shoot me a PM and bring your post to my attention.

The Powerwall 2 is installed and has passed QC inspection.  It may be several weeks before the city gives the OK to flip the switch to activate it, but I do have current access to the "brain" of the system.  It's a bit cloudy at the moment and I'm doing some laundry, but here's a cropped clip from the iOS App showing some Tesla goodness.

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TESLA POWERWALL 2

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I would like to say a special thank you to Gunthar, the creator of Gunbot (https://gunthy.org/).  His sponsorship of this project is greatly responsible for making advancements like this possible.


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Bad news.  The Tesla Powerwall has failed the final inspection with the city.  This was due to them not using the same breaker panel box listed in the application.  They will need to resubmit an updated application and schedule another inspection before the unit can be switched on.  Hopefully this happens relatively quickly. 

Sorry to hear that.  :-\
The bureaucracy is sometimes very strict.

This is a very cool project and as an electrician and electrical engineer student I'm getting a huge pleasure watching this.  :D

They decided it would be faster to install the breaker box in the application than to start the process over from square one and are expecting to have the issue resolved next week.

Good to know.  I hope this will get sorted out soon.   It would be nice to have the power wall functional as it has been installed for a while now.  Will this be enough stored power to run the miners all night without tapping into the grid?

Looks like this should get resolved on Friday (crossing fingers).

We can't generate enough power to even sustain the operation during the day right now.  Once the powerwall is installed I will be looking into further energy production measures.  Possibly installing something like this (https://www.windstream-inc.com/my-solarmill) if I can get a sponsor on board.  I may also look into selling off the lower performing miners (D3) to reduce power consumption.  The powerwall can currently only sustain the operation for about an hour at night or two hours during the day.  Adding an additional powerwall would be fairly easy (just costs $), and perhaps with another powerwall and some more solar/wind energy, going truly off the grid for long amounts of time may become a reality.  The biggest advancement still ahead would be an immersion cooling tank for the miners.  I've read that can reduce energy consumption by up to 40%!  If we had such a system, along with the planned solar/wind upgrades and an addtional powerwall or two, we could be looking at a powerhouse operation unlikely to be matched by anyone without a massive investment.

Based on my knowledge on electrical engineering this doesn't make sense to me.

Have you read some study or testing about this? Any sources?

https://youtu.be/xo0g2dKPAcQ?t=1m06s

I just can't buy that he is basicly saying that

• S5, air cooling - 660W per machine
• S5, immersion cooling - 360W - same hash rate

It must be an measurement error or something else.

Other studies show that you do not get the power efficiency ratio better with immersion cooling.
It just makes it possible to run the device with higher performance settings vs. air cooling.

Here is a fellow Finn, Niko Punin from Bitfury:

• Bitfury 16nm air cooling (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZPum2zqGPE)
• Bitfury 16nm immersion cooling (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSbmuBvDWo0)

Or other explanation for this is that S5 is actually surprisingly good with power efficiency when you use immersion cooling,
but I see that as very small chance.

40% is definitely a bit of a wild claim, which is why I worded my statement the way I did.  There is undoubtedly efficiency savings from operating at a lower temperature and not using fans, but I would guess somewhere in the 5%-20% range.  Besides efficiency savings, the larger benefit would be the ability to operate more equipment, as cooling is currently what is stifling growth (if you figure in air conditioning costs, 40% savings could even be a low estimate in the summer).

Yeah those numbers are much closer to the actual savings that could be achieved.

You really can't ignore the air conditioning aspect when it comes to savings.  I estimate that using immersion cooling would save ~$1,500 annually on air conditioning costs (~15% efficiency improvement).  Not to mention cutting down on the impact of running an air conditioner would be a benefit for this project.

Yeah agreed AC is a no-go in mining.

I'm not ignoring those savings, but I was focusing on the miner power efficiency comparison.

I think that all in all we are pretty much on the same wavelength about all this.

The Tesla Powerwall 2 has passed inspection and is currently charging with sunlight!

The only remaining hurdle is that the operational software for the Powerwall needs an update for me to be able to adjust the operating procedure to be beneficial for this project.  I'm told that will be happening in the next 3 weeks.

How do you cool the mineral oil though?
You have to change it every now and then once it reaches a certain temperature?

The system I'm looking at uses a water line to cool the oil in a heat transfer unit.

Would you be running a cold water line coil through the oil tank on it's way to say your hot water tank? Or I guess more likely through an oil reservoir tank that cycles through the individual cooling tanks?

I just started following the thread and have some back reading to do but I love the idea of using all the energy and reducing it wherever you can.

You can get a better explanation here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REbv1Yrvxi8

Nice thanks for sharing, placing this in a hot climate with access to a decently clean water supply would be great.

Not sure where your attempt at off the grid power is but a nice rain catch reservoir would add another bump in utility savings. I guess it depends on the type of heat exchanger they are using, if it's shell and tube you can get away with a lower quality of water. A plate exchanger not so much the water path tends to get fouled up quickly.

Good luck

Nice one, which one is better solar or wind in compare to money/energy?
I also thought how many SportsArt ECO-POWR™ G510 Indoor Cycles you would have to have to power 1 antminer (anyone calculated? let's assume 2h a day for 1 man?)

Solar is hands down the better investment.  I don't think the wind turbine will ever pay for itself before being decommissioned, but it does look damn cool.  Having the infrastructure in place is also great for future use, should a more efficient wind turbine be produced.  The wind turbine does outperform the indoor cycle though, which is why I didn't do a direct comparison with statistics.  Let's just say this project has given me a new respect for how affordable electricity is, and how awesome solar power is.  My legs are definitely the biggest beneficiary of the cycle, as I've been riding it for between 5-15 minutes every day and am getting stronger thus able to ride with a higher resistance.  The higher the resistance level, the more energy it produces.  For example, barely peddling on a high resistance setting produces way more energy than peddling like a madman on a lower setting.  However, it would probably take 40 of these bikes peddling nearly around the clock to power an antminer, so it is not a realistic energy generation solution without owning a gym and charging people to use the bikes.

Thanks for the reply, do you own this cycle?
Anyone knows maybe water turbine? Let's assume you have house near river would it be better than wind/solar?

Hey OgNasty,

Have you looked into/read up on High Altitude Wind Generation Technologies?  It's been discussed in very isolated circles dating back to the late 1970s, but never implemented. Only now are companies starting to really look at it's true potential. Some interesting tech startups are emerging with interesting ways of harnessing wind turbine energy generation with the use of kites flown at high altitudes.

Theres a number of projects that seem far fetched, but I think in the not so distant future High Altitude Wind Generation is going to be a huge industry; simply because it makes financial sense on practically every level.

I actually went out to Joshua Tree CA a few years back and drove through the massive Wind Farms on the way near the park. Did a lot of photography, got up close to the massive turbines, pretty crazy. Standing directly under a full sized wind turbine while it's running, you literally feel the shockwave, like a very low sounding thump from a woofer; run through your body as each blade crosses down and over you 20 feet above.

But high altitude concepts are pretty amazing, in terms of what's possible with very basic concepts simply put into place and used.

The two that stand out to me are the Laddermill: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laddermill and Angle of Attack Pully systems.

Second; The concept of constructing a large kite which is the shape of a cylinder; The cylinder has vents, similar to how a parachute is able to open vents to turn; which when flown forces the Kite into a fast spinning motion. Tethered with a high strength low weight cable, the kite is flown up to +20,000 feet; and if geographically positioned correctly; you put the kite into the Jet Stream. A fairly constant 200+ MPH wind-stream that never stops. This of course forces the kite to spin very fast, which creates tension on the cable, and the cable spins and turns the generator which is based on the ground. The economics of this are amazing considering that this eliminates much of the costs of ground based turbines; which require large amounts of very heavy materials; the ground pole; the blades, etc, plus lifespan and replacement of such.

Last, but not a favorite;

The Angle of Attach is like a fish on a reel; the kite is pitched back to catch the wind; causing it to reel outwards; which spins a generator, when the kite reaches 50,000 feet; the cable tension is released, and a weight moves towards the nose; pitching it foward. So the kite no longer is being held, and pitched down. After it hits 10,000 feet, the cable is drawn in; (kite is now at low altitude but distance wise very far away); and as the cable is drawn in with the nose down; it maintains low altitude and returns close to the generator. Then the cable is pulled tight, and the weight is moved to the aft of the kite, pitching it back, creating lift, back to 50,000 feet... which as it pulls out drives the generator.

Of course this done on a large scale; thousands of kites like this, would produce massive amounts of energy; at a much more efficient rate; harnessing the 200 MPH winds at high altitudes and not requiring all the heavy steel of today's ground based wind turbines.

Ships could also use them at sea; a generator on a ship, with a kite single 10kw generator on board.

And of course; 100% coordination with the FAA and flight traffic patterns- just to keep all those frequent flyers flying.

But read through this thread; interesting stuff, and good ideas here. Just thought I'd pass this info along; in case you hadnt heard about it, as it's only recently been starting to catch "wind" and still only in small circles. But promising.

Hope you're well,

Cheers!

Strato

No.  I can't imagine something like that would be possible for me where I am.  Sounds cool though.

I have received a "permission to operate" notice from the electric company.  I assume this means I will soon be granted the ability to begin using the Powerwall for energy arbitrage.

I now have 1 entire year of solar array data to look at, so I thought I would post some stats.

Energy Produced in first year: 17,976 kWh
Estimated Cost Savings in first year: $1,995.34
Estimated Time to Breakeven: *10 years

*with average annual price inflation factored in
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That's awesome congrats.

I was wondering what is the estimated lifespan of your solar equipment? Also estimated repair costs. Would it likely push the breakeven to 11 years or something like that?

No. It’s got a long warranty. I’m not responsible for any repair costs. Should last at least 25 years. I also expect electricity rates to rise faster than predicted. I’m confident it will pay for itself in under 10 years.

That's a great deal, when you take out repair costs and consider warranty.

I'm sure your right about energy costs going up, and really nothing better than going green.

What are some trusted brands or vendors currently for lithium batteries for use in storage with Solar Panels in your experience?
I have had an itching to start up a little single miner project using night time only mining.  Not really for profit just for fun and learning more about solar.
Plus at night you get lower ambient temps and in some cases use the heat.

The only one I have any knowledge of is Tesla.  However, if I were more of a DIY guy, I would look into doing something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk50IuWXg-c

First off I would like to say nice work and that I'm also into mining big time. I also design and laminate my own solar panels from scratch. I use the Sunpower Maxeon c60 cells you're using in your panels. I'm also an ex Nuclear safety inspector, SCE at the San Onofre Nuclear plant.

My concern is that you're claiming all this green savings and how your Solar Panels are powering your Mining Rigs and you make it sound like you have an energy surplus. Yet that 11.2kW array on your roof is the proper size for your house and no more. It's probably allowing you to "almost" break even for you homes electrical needs when you add in summer air conditioning needs. 17,976 kWh / 1,498 kWh per month or <50kWh a day. Those are your stats broken down.

As for powering your mining rigs? Let's be honest. Your home alone without the miners is probably averaging 50kWh's a day. I average 60-80kWh's a day without mining at my house is 100% LED's.

Your rigs alone are taking at least 133 kwh's per day + about 50kWh's per day for the rest of your home = 183kWh's a day on average for the year. I'm sure I'm off some.

You're  MINING HARDWARE:
1x Bitmain Antminer S9 (link)     1,340 Watts
1x Bitmain Antminer R4 (link)       845 Watts
2x Bitmain Antminer L3+ (link)      800W x 2 = 1600 Watts
1x Bitmain Antminer A3 (link)     1,275 watts
2x Radeon RX Vega 56 (link)         210 x 2 = 420 Watts (500W counting the System they're running off on.

Just the Mining hardware =  5,560 Watts x 24 hours a day = 133,440 KWh's Per day and I'm sure I left out many things like the power draw from the power supplies needed to power the Antminers or any additional fans and cooling.

My estimate is that your solar panels are supplying only 27.32% of your homes total energy usage.

Also, you mentioned you're already at $40K in cost and saving $1,995.34 a year (btw: 11.1cents per kWh) That's over a 20 year break not counting tying your money up with no interest and inflation eating the value. Those 2 power walls are going to need $7K worth of new batteries every 10-12 years. Your solar cells will likely hold over 90% power after 30 years.

Sorry to sound negative.

It would be awesome if you would post your actual electric bills.

I learned you can find them at motorcycle shops, most performance bikes have switched to them.
$200 will get you 12V 30AH 480CCA 80% or more Depth of discharge, 80% round trip efficiency, under 12 pounds.
Not sure what to use for a controller for LiFePO4 though, seems they have not caught up too well.

Any current recommendations on the most efficient solar panels, or is it such a slim difference it doesn't really matter as long as the price is good and it doesn't break ?
So far got lucky with $190 grabbing a 100watt panel which puts out exactly that in perfect sun.

Your calculations seem to be correct.
I am running about 200kW DC Solar and we are mining with about 20kW Hardware, growing to about 50kW until 12-2018.

So far i cant tell you the solar coverage ... maybe in september all counters are installed and when the logging works for some month i will make a prognosis.

At the moment i try to calculate the costs of investing in Batteries to use as much solar energy as possible.
We are somewhere between 200 and 300$/kWh storage costs i think...

But on the long go its very interesting and the ROI should be <5 years, if solar is available and "for free"...

Your estimations are overly negative.



When I was doing my research, I found that SunPower seemed to have better efficiency and warranty support than their competition.

Captain Kirk seems to think so.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2018/06/14/william-shatners-betting-on-the-bitcoin-price-with-solar-powered-mining/

Not yet.  So far everything has gone smoothly.

Are you able to charge the Powerwalls with grid power, or only with Solar generated power?  Also, does the Wind turbine plug into the same Inverter as the solar panels?

Due to regulations, at this point in time the Powerwall charges with solar generated power. I am hoping that changes soon. The wind turbine uses it’s own stand-alone inverter, while the solar panels each have their own built in inverters.

First you need a good project. Then the sponsors find you.

With the most recent Tesla firmware update I can now use the Powerwall for energy arbitrage!  Today is the first day of experimenting with this feature, but I do hope to have some interesting statistics to share soon.

That is good news

I'm really interested in the Tesla Powerwall,
it is great to see some actual results through your update posts.  :)

So far there are only 2 settings, and neither seems to be performing exactly as expected.  I think it's "learning" how best to utilize itself, or they've got some more work to do on the new firmware.  It seems to be not providing arbitrage as much as it is trying to smooth out the energy usage and reduce peaks while extending the solar power to be used after sunset.

NastyFans has been around and open to anyone since 2012. There’s a link in the OP to read more about it. No, it isn’t cloud mining.

There is a timeline and the hardware is listed in the beginning of this thread.

How's the PowerWall Doing?

It seems to be reducing the on-peak usage and leveling out power usage spikes, but it appears to only arbitrage energy generated with solar power. I don’t think they’re yet allowing the discharge of energy to the grid that was charged using off-peak grid energy.

Does this mean you are not being allowed to sell excess electricity back to the electric company?

It was my impression (based on newspaper reports) that power companies were required to buy back excess electric production via solar (and other "green" methods) in your part of the country.

I’m allowed to sell excess solar energy back to the grid, but I am not allowed to sell grid energy back to the grid at higher prices that I’ve stored in the battery. What is happening now is that instead of selling excess energy back to the grid at off-peak prices, it stores it and then uses it on-peak.

Ahh, gotcha.

So if you wanted to, you could sell excess power at off-peak prices, but you are storing excess electricity in the battery, and using it during times at which peak prices are charged in order to avoid paying peak prices.

Exactly.

the only issue with this is consuming the battery lifespan, which in some cases can be less efficient than selling energy back at off-peak-prices.

That is true. This is why I don’t have the battery set to fully discharge ever. It always keeps some juice for backups and to prolong it’s lifespan. If at some point the regulations change to make this a more profitable device, I will fully utilize it.

Anything could happen in the future.  I think I'd need a bigger house for this project, which isn't so much about capacity as it is a proof of concept.  With the right funding though, anything is possible.



If you contact a solar salesman in your area, I can promise you that they'll give you more information pertaining to your specific circumstance than you would ever want to see.

Tempering expectations though, you should expect this to be an investment of between $20,000-$30,000 and not break even over traditional energy usage for more than 10 years.  If you figure in lost potential investment on those funds, the payback period could go as high as 20 or more years depending on your conditions.  It isn't something you do to make money, as much as to be responsible and safeguard against crazy energy scenarios in the future.

In preparation for the coming high winds from monsoon season, I have added supports to the pole to keep the turbine from swinging wildly.  I've discovered a few maintenance issues, but am working to correct them.  I think a little loctite and some new blades should do the trick.  In the meantime, the turbine is continuing to function at perhaps it's best since being installed.

Have you ever tried the bladeless turbines (https://vortexbladeless.com/)? I'm very interested in renewable energy because i don't think any future mining will be possible without it. Sooner than later all grid mining will cease due lower mining profits.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VgDF8jzc7TU/hqdefault.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgDF8jzc7TU)

I haven't, but I'll take a look at a retail product when it becomes available.  Seems interesting.

Hi OG, may i ask how you aquired this sponsorship? Simply ask?

Gunthar and I have had a working relationship for a while now. When he was purchasing signature spaces from me, we thought this might be a longer lasting and more positive use for advertising dollars, which I believe it has been.

SunPower issued a replacement order for the inverters used on the solar panels.  They are currently being replaced.  I'm told this will result in a higher max output as well as more accurate reporting. 

When the inverters were replaced the workers removed the "pest-proofing" that was keeping pigeons away.  This resulted in a nest being built under one of the panels.  Today new pest-proofing was installed and the pigeon nest with eggs was removed.  I did not ask what became of it or the eggs, but I assume they were not relocated.  RIP.

Honestly, if the wind turbine wasn't donated, it would have been a near complete loss.  It generates less energy than I do daily on the exercise bike.  Additionally, I have been hearing complaints from my HOA, and may be forced to halt it's operation at the next quarterly meeting while we further discuss it.  Unless you are on a large property where you can get a massive turbine very high in the air, or are using it to charge batteries, I wouldn't suggest anyone go the wind turbine route. 

For this project, if I am forced to halt operation of the wind turbine and want to keep it somewhat wind powered, I may decide to go with something I can hide a little easier, like this: https://www.amazon.com/My-SolarMill-Hybrid-Commercial-Renewable/dp/B013F6FQ9U

I have 3 acres, i wonder if a wind turbine would be worth it for me then. enough space and no HOA to complain.

My solar helps but as a 10kw system, its not generating enough to cover much.

Since you've been involved in green mining for years.. any recommendations on the solar route? Any newer wind turbine designs catch your eye that are worth it to any degree? I'm assuming you dont have water access so no hydro?

I can only speak to my solar hardware, and I would say it is a great purchase for anyone with a good amount of sunshine.  As I've previously stated, I don't think wind turbines are the way to go for on-grid applications.  If I ever get the chance to go hydro, I'll be all over it.  I've looked at some solutions with what I have available, but they aren't worth the hassle.

If you are handy you can look at making your own more efficient wind turbine.

I have been following this guy on youtube, looks interesting and is on my list of projects to investigate when I get a real workshop back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiyOwzX6kBk

That's a question that only leads to more questions.  Are you going to turn off the rigs during periods of no sunlight or will you be buying an army of batteries? 

I think it's best to look at the production and then consider it an offset to whatever usage you're using.  You'd be surprised how little mining power you get from solar panels.  Your question indicates you may have higher expectations from solar panels than you will receive from them.  The math you're asking me to do for you is also extremely oversimplified to the point where I am not sure I believe that you're seriously considering solar for this use.

The battery holds about 13.5 kWh of usable energy.  You could say that this gives you about 1kW of stored energy per hour to use during the non-sunlight hours.  While that is enough to power our altcoin miner, it would not power our ASIC.  Additionally, the solar panels provide about 50kWh of electricity per day, which comes close to enough energy to power the mining operation running currently, but the grid is still needed for overnight without more storage capacity. 

In conclusion, batteries are cool because you can use electricity off of the grid, but that is what you are paying for.  It is doubtful that a battery purchase would ever be profitable unless you had some extraordinary things going on, whereas solar would likely be a smart investment so long as you stayed in the residence for more than a decade.

@ognasty

I'm involved with a sustainable mining operation in Iceland.  We're using volcanoes for power, ice for cooling and reforesting in South America. Would you be interested in meeting us and seeing if we can benefit from each other's work?

Feel free to PM me with any ideas you have or what you're interested in.  While I think generating energy from volcanoes sounds very cool, I'm not sure that's really on my radar as something we want to explore.  I'm always open to listening to ideas though.  Would love to see some volcano pics as well.

Thanks OG, will drop you a PM when I have a few moments.

Thanks for that mind bending comment.

I would counter that statement by saying the an upside of crypto is that it encourages cheaper and more sustainable energy generation practices that could lead to innovation in the field that would not have occurred otherwise. 

It's heat generation is also not a problem in many areas.  I know I haven't had to run my heater in years during the winter and if I lived somewhere cold it could be useful all year round. 

I think stating only the negatives is a bit short sided.  My house wouldn't be solar powered without Bitcoin, nor would I have ever cared enough to look into other alternative energy generation techniques.

I went ahead and updated the solar energy statistics.  The solar system has produced nearly 69 thousand kWh to date and continues to function without issue.

The environmental savings data might be the most impressive as you can see the impact of even this small operation going green on the environment.  This data is calculated by taking the energy produced by the system (kWh) and multiplying it by a conversion value provided by the EPA to estimate the carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions avoided.

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Hi all,

Hi OP, I was thinking about your site plan ..


Well, I think Bitcoin mining farming is no different than the traditional datacenter industry and I  think they are doing a great job at building and scaling their massive computational workloads.

One of the aspects that comes to my mind is the cooling systems.

"A significant portion of data center inefficiencies systems from cooling overhead, with chillers being the largest culprit. Cooling losses are three times greater than power losses, presenting the most promising target for efficiency improvements: if all cooling losses were eliminated, the Power Usage Effectiveness - PUE would drop to 1.26, whereas a zero-loss UPS system would yield as PUE of only 1.8. Typically, the worse a facility’s PUE is, the higher the percentage of the total loss comes from the cooling system [BM06]. Intuitively, there are only so many ways to mishandle a power distribution system, but many more ways to mishandle cooling"[1]

Saying that, another day I came about with that idea of optimizations that can be done at datacenter floor designers such as the idea of "Server Dome"

Beyond ServerDome: The bizarre-looking data center that saves water and energy

https://youtu.be/A7fKmlTeHJk

https://serverdomes.com/faq/

What the OP think about that idea? Also I was wondering if it's possible to create a small model, lets say using 5 old Antminer S9 rearrange then on "Server Dome" configuration and actually perform some measurements? 



[1]Luiz André Barroso; Urs Hölzle; Parthasarathy Ranganathan; Margaret Martonosi, The Datacenter as a Computer: Designing Warehouse-Scale Machines, Third Edition , Morgan & Claypool, 2018.

Hi,
don't know why people use those expensive inverters in solar mining rig,

you can install your 12V solar panels + battery + battery charger and attach your battery's output to your 12V video card's input
if you use regular motherboard with 20pin power source connector replace your regular PSU with a PicoPSU from minipc.de it also take power from battery 12V output

hope can help you.

Bitcoin miners do not use videocards or motherboards. While still useful for mining crap altcoins, those became useless for mining BTC in late 2013 when ASIC-based miners hit the market.

That said, you are neglecting the fact that miners require fairly tight regulation of the voltage input fed to the hash boards. In the case of older miners that use separate PSU's their range is from 11.5 to 12.5vdc. Too low and their internal Vcore regulators will not have enough margin to operate, too high and you risk damaging said regulators.

The newer miners all use integrated PSU's that provide an adjustable output between 15-21vdc and the actual voltage is adjusted up-down by the hardware to match the speed you are running the chips at. The hash boards have no secondary regulators for Vcore - the PSU itself is adjusted to take the place of the secondary regulators and that gives a several percent increase in efficiency. The autotuning process tests various combinations of clock speed and voltage to get best performance so again, a fixed DC supply voltage is a no-go.

Lead-acid batteries will vary from a resting voltage of 12.2 and have a charging voltage over 14v. Under load the voltage can go down to 10v or lower depending on what the battery can tolerate before it is damaged.

Any insight on rig hosting companies that are predominantly sourcing energy from renewables? 

I have been looking but doesn't seem to have too many, especially in states that don't have income tax.

Thoughts?

T

The member you replied to is a newbie and who knows how or what he's mining or how much he understands.  And while you can't mine bitcoin on GPUs anymore, those crap altcoins that can be mined with them can be converted to bitcoin easily enough, which is a viable alternative for those folks who can't afford ASIC miners.  You probably know that, but I figured I'd point it out anyway.

OgNasty, you and I may not like each other, but I very much respect your green energy project.  I only wish I had enough money to get started in bitcoin mining and doing it with solar power.  I'm not interested in doing it through anyone else--maybe some day in the future I'll be able to afford some solar panels (and the bitcoin mining hardware, too). 

@stonehedge

I was looking into Iceland rig hosting (Thor and Moljnir) but there seem to be some legal / tax challenges if you live outside of Iceland that you need to work through before you can pursue colocating rigs there.

Have you had to deal with this or are you based there?

T

Tax is always an issue ...

BUT there are always ways of minimizing Tax. You cannot avoid it without dire consequences.

We are looking at expanding also, and I am willing to look at others to work with us here at CWI with what we are doing. No wind, just Solar for the time being.

#crysx

NastyFans already has the infrastructure there for anyone to work with us who wants to.  All you have to do is donate BTC to NastyFans here: 1NastyFRkeUTmMdbMmzggDVTQA6r3ibUoX

If anyone wants to benefit from our mining operation or our product sales, all they need to do is purchase seats at https://nastyfans.org and enjoy their weekly BTC distributions.

Once other mining operations buy into NastyFans and join us in raising funds for the group, you will start to see the potential of a shared community mining venture.  You do not need to discuss anything with us, or seek permission.  You need only join and take part with us. 

OgNasty ...

I have known you from MANY years ago initially with the Escrow Service you provided (and still provide?), so trusting you with the support is a 'no-brainer' with your Solar Projects. I will have a look and see what is involved, though our projects in the Solar Field is not just HouseHolds, but Solar Farms amd Property Conversions to Solar is what I am talking about where we will have a look at what possibilities are available to encompass projects like yours as an integration of sorts rather than a joint effort by supporting only the Nasty Projects.

I will definitely look at where we can fit in with the projects you currently have.

Thanks for your reply Mate!

#crysx

Anybody looking into the possibility of going solar with a Tesla roof, I have a referral code to get you a $100 discount.  Every new customer who uses the referral code to activate their Tesla solar roof will get a free gift from me and if 10 people use the code successfully, I will give away $1000 to one of the referred users.

This giveaway is to incentivize solar power use and do my part to share referrals with potential customers to give them a little extra incentive to go green.  Best of luck to everyone!

Reach out to me via a personal message and let me know you want a Tesla Solar Roof referral code.  Thanks!

Tesla’s Powerwall App has been updated with the ability to take your home off grid. This is pretty cool. With the touch of a button on my phone I can now power my home exclusively with the battery backup. Granted when you add mining into the mix it only lasts a couple of hours, but still extremely cool. I just wish I had more space for solar panels and more batteries!

It’s been a couple years since I’ve updated information relating to this project. I should probably do that soon. It’s pretty amazing how much of an impact having alternative energy production at home for the last 6 years has had, not just on my bills but also the environment when I look at the statistics. Hopefully bitcointalk will get their image displaying issue resolved so the information here isn’t lost.

It is solved you just have to move your images here: https://talkimg.com/
Discussion here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5450546.0

There are also a few scripts that will move your images from imgur to talkimg.

As for the solar roof  / powerwall. We are looking at converting the condo building to use something like that but getting all 6 owners to agree is not a simple process. Not to mention spending $ on a roof that is still in perfect condition is a really hard sell.

-Dave

That would be Great ...

Especially if there are any details for Australian Residence.

#crysx #cwi

I finally got around to taking screenshots of the updated statistics and updating all my images to talkimg for hosting.  I'm sorry that it took me so long to do this, but I sort of expected the forum would resolve this issue.  You can see we're closing in on 100 tons of CO2 avoided and 120,000 kWh of energy generated.  Last month my electric bill was $16.  I am truly thankful for those who have donated to this project or purchased goods from https://nastyfans.org/mint to help keep this going.  You support is appreciated.  :)

I also went ahead and posted the total cost of this solar system, which was $24,487.92.

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I'm also still using the stationary bike almost daily, although I would recommend sticking to solar for energy production.

what a amazing idea for prevent of environment pollution. Now a day many mining organization used electricity to burn fossil and also used water resource. Those are not secure for environment.If can used sunlight for mining bitcoin its a very inspiring to others.

 my friend build a Spa center and  a Bitcoing mining farm that operate under liquid to get cool down
and the heat if the liquid goes under the spa pool to heat the water , thats very good idea too