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1) Any main differences within them and what's their best strength against each other?

2) As i know block time for BTC is averaging at 10 minute and recently if you sent not enough fees your transaction takes really long time.
I remember i read an article about ETH transaction just take within 15 seconds and the opposite will receive, is that true? I only uses BTC to transact.
How about Dash?

Thanks!

Here are the differences:

Dash: scam. Instamined, claims to be anonymous but isn't, spends buckets of money on marketing instead of letting the code speak.

Eth: Started out good. It's a turing complete cryptocontract platform, which basically means anything you can build in code (including other cryptocurrencies) can be build on ethereum. The problem is that development is very centralized, they are being guided by huge organizations instead of grassroots users. Price will probably keep going up for a while but I would actually put money into ETC instead of ETH because it's far more decentralized (in terms of development and direction) which means it stands a chance of becoming very very big (compare the "Internet" to "Microsoft Network").

BTC is losing market share right now as people look towards altcoins, it's typical gartner hype cycle situation - the prices will go up, then the vast majority of them will go to 0, but some will survive the culling and prove to be useful for some of the things they are claiming right now and emerge as stable and dominant players. BTC has already proven itself (in this regard), so when all these altcoins start heading to the floor BTC will be a safehaven.

The only one I would say with confidence will emerge on the other side as a dominant player is Monero because it is really being used right now and has a great development community. Everything else (in my opinion) could go either way, though either ETH or ETC are probably going to survive too, the potential is huge for both.

That's my opinion anyway.

Eth development is least centralized. Many node implementations exist in various languages with a steog foundation and vitalik driving development.

Btc has steongest brand recognition and market cap and very stable proce appreciation reative to other coins in past 2 years.

Dash has unique and valuable consensus and governance mechanism.

Consensus between Evan and Evan.. ;)

I wouldn't be surprised if he had double personality. He probably believes he did the project a favor by holding all the instamine.

BTC is really great in long term it will be winner other altcoins have no potential to survive. So I will say only BTC will be best investment ever.

I lolled hard at this one, thanks!

ETH has faster confirmation and cheaper transaction charge than bitcoin. I use mainly ethereum to trade and to make payments. Only if the other party demands bitcoin, I go for it.

Right now, I think ETH ans ETC has more chances for appreciation. Both these platforms need to make a killer DAPP and that is enough to drive up the prices. ETH has already have some Dapps such as Vslice. ETC will soon follow.

Honestly, DASH and MONERO may also do well. But I haven't cared to look into them. 

if you want to trade more quickly done, you have to issue a huge cost ;D ;D

Yes, that is true, a little addition you can make transactions without a fee in bitcoin.co.id and unfortunately it takes a very long time

All I'm going to say is that Bitcoin is the first crypto-currency and nothing can change that fact no matter how many alternative crypto currencies are released by the day.

popularity already been gained by btc and even any alts already showing big movements the fact that bitcoin still the base for the value
of any alt that will be introduced, better to stay with btc and continue the hold..

very interesting.
can you please share a couple of "payments" that you made with ethereum with us?

I am not looking for transactions but I am interested to see those merchants or services that you made payments to. can you introduce me to at least 5 of them?

indeed transaction eth no 15 seconds, and this is also the advantage of eth, and I am very satisfied eth with the transaction , and also developher provide smartcontrac. while bitcoin prefers mutual benefit with the system confirmed the miner.

Also ethereum has good fundamental are like many projects be builded on ethereum blockchain,
it different with bitcoin blockchain, we can not build application on it, smart contract is new innovations in digital coins has chance become more growing up, so do with ethereum's price will more goes up it is good too, for trading altcoins in ethereum to bitcoin.

yes I agree with you, this would increase the price eth, more users use smartcontrac and the increasing price for eth. According formula demand, the higher the demand for more value, and because cryptoccurency created with the limit then it will make cryptoccurency it is getting value more.

Currently most of the people are using bitcoin as an payment and for day trading purpose , so bitcoin is really a busy network then any other coin/altcoin  .
Here you can take your own example that you are using bitcoin only that is a same thing for most of the bitcoiners . That is the reason the confirmation in the dash is fast in comparison of bitcoin network .
So here I think all of these are equally powerful but due to use of bitcoin by most of the bitcoiners confirmation problem are occurs that have solution to pay high fee .
I myself like all these three coin Because my investment results into a big profit in the ETH and DASH :) .

From the price it is a great competition, we keep on seeing the rising price of ethereum and dash while bitcoin price is going down and most of the people already complaint about the bitcoin fee, so I believe that there are a lot of investor go to alt coin, and there are some alt coin offered better feature than bitcoin

... vs XMR vs ZEC?

Past hall of fame winners, defeated by the evil KnC Miner:

LTC & DOGE

Lets see you build a CryptoNight ASIC, fucking cunts.

But that is roughly 3 orders-of-magnitude incorrect about the Sybil attack. It is actually consensus between Evan, Evan, Evan, Evan, Evan, ... , Evan (how many masternodes does an instaminer with a compounded higher ROI own?).


Note our FUD caused someone to sell 5000 DASH at 0.006 BTC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1820428.msg18249950#msg18249950), which is now worth $500,000 if he hadn't listened to us.  :-[

My 2 cents summary... (since I also had to make a decision on this today)

ETH also appears it will end up having the first secure instant off chain transactions system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1739268.msg18260129#msg18260129) (although realistically via centralized hubs).

BTC is failing into paralysis and self-destruction (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1819153.msg18260626#msg18260626), which is tarnishing its former flagship image.

DASH is a fool's pyramid pump scheme (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1832869.msg18261590#msg18261590).

Monero (XMR) doesn't have instant transaction scaling so I can't put it in the same league as the others. @AnonyMity (and privacy) is a feature every serious ecosystem can offer as an option so IMO it isn't sufficient as a sole selling point. Monero has a self-adjusting block size algorithm (but I've argued all PoW systems are subject to the same centralization effect as they scale regardless), but adoption is about scaling and ecosystem applications. Monero might be a good diversification, but speaking for myself as currently a risk adverse speculator, the chart isn't the same as BTC, ETH, and DASH so there might be something else going on there (although one could argue it is same or exaggerated first hump due to BTC millionaire @rpietila shilling it in 2014). Not sure. Ditto Byteball's chart doesn't give me enough confidence to bet big on it (and also know it has major technical flaws such as the transaction fee design and the witness replacement mechanism), although for speculators who want more risk they might consider it.

Thus I've diversified into ETH (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1739268.msg18260129#msg18260129) (with BTC that technically isn't even mine as it was given to me by my angel investor). Best of the worst. Except I do agree that Ethereum has more app-specific (aka smart contract) ecosystem development than any other.


I agree about Bitcoin except Bitcoin is putting that #1 position in great danger by mucking around with HFs such as the technologically myopic Bitcoin Unlimited.

I agree on Dash.

I agree the possibility of hacks in Ethereum is great, but I am not diversifying into it long-term. I'll be back out of it again when I see the next YUGE smart contract which a hacker can target. I think Ethereum's community will be much more diligent about not letting such a concentrated accumulation occur again at this nascent stage of the new pump that is just getting under way (as it passed its ATH recently).

The real world use is that is a massive experimentation platform for figuring out which applications of blockchains might be worthwhile. And a speculators ICO paradise. Massive amount of smart contract ICO app activity kicking in now. ETH is the next hot thing coming as Dash's pump gets nearer to its apex.

BTC is undergoing turbulence and I think ETH will step on accelerator for the next month or two at least, while BTC and BTU slug it out. ETH and ETC already had their war and Vitalik won.

Bitcoin:
is decentralized, it has a lot of adoption, it has a lot of users, a lot of usage, a lot of real world applications and a lot of services that you can pay for with bitcoin. the distribution is the best, there has never been any premine or any bullshit to get the coins, you could get them from day 1 if you wanted and there is still no restriction, you can buy or if you are willing you can invest and mine it.
the market is the biggest and that means speculation on it is a lot easier than any smaller markets.
there is real adoption where new people come and buy bitcoin because they either want an excellent investment or they want to use this cryptocurrency online as it is intended to (a peer to peer decentralized digital cash).
and a lot more.

Dash:
it has a decent amount of supply and that can help its inflation and finally the price. it is a pump coin and that is a good thing for making a big and quick profit.
it has a big premine. and many even call it a scam. it doesn't have a positive public face. there really isn't any real world usage for it.
in the anonymity department it is not really anonymous. and compared to other coins it has nothing to say compared to coins like Monero.
there is no adoption, only traders switching their money over to Dash and out of it after they are done.
it is a pump coin and that is bad because it kills the coin in the long term when it is pump and dumped.

ETH:
it had a good idea at first but it is implemented pretty badly.
the code is bad and has many bugs, many of which has already been found. some of them even exploited and one of them led to a hard fork and splitting of ETH/ETC and there will always be a possibility of the same exploits and other unknown bugs that can be devastating to anybody who has his money in this coin.
it has a big premine (in form of ICO).
there is no real world usage for it and the smart contract that they are so proud of is not really something special on this platform.
the supply is HUGE. it has one of the biggest number of coins available and with a simple supply and demand rule the price will always be under constant sell pressure.
there has not been a clear cap on the maximum number of coins available.
the last and the worst but not the least is the centralization. this coin is one of the coins that is completely centralized and everything from the price to the code and the future is being decided by those who control it and can easily be manipulated to their advantage.
it is a pump coin so that is a good point of this coin and that makes it a good investment as long as there is a big pump going on and we can get in early on.

I like this kind of post, at least you can have some real informations about general overview of coins development.

BTC : Actually in uncertain track, i don't really know what will happen but i don't think it's status of flagship is bothered by the actual events. The rise of projects like Bitcoin unlimited or classic can lead to ethereum/ethereum classic scenario, it may cause its price to sinck, but his status will never change.

ETH: This project lack of serious development and enhancement, instead of focusing on blockchain services, smart contracts, and off chain transactions, they should enhance the integration capacities of ethereum, and enhance the methods who can be used by their client. Integration is a key element for a project to realise its goals, and they have a lot of work to do. ETC is in a worst condition, especially because of the lack of nodes, they should work on side sollutions for nodes discovery, bootnodes are insuficient, they have also the same problems ETH have.

DASH: Well, the recent market cap rising can be a temporar effect, regardless of the premine, or any ponzy/pyramid scheme, DASH is a blockchain that offers many services, with a vote system, they can either turn to a flagship currency, or to an enormous fiasco depending on the next development steps, they will introduce what most of recent coins offer, built-in web wallet.

XMR: this coin needs enhance methods for wallets management and accounts creation, it remebers me of the early days of ETH, with eth and geth running separatly, using a single binary is essencial for adoption, web wallets are useless for developers/merchants, especially without an API to manage it. They still have a lot of work to catch-up the other currencies.

So, there are many projects out there, the only one who offeres a full set of methods/services is bitcoin, regardless of what will happen (HF, SF, new algo ...) bitcoin will always stay on top of the other coins because it is the most matured project with the largest adoption.
The other crypto currencies must enhance the integration possibilities of their projects, it is essencial for project acceptance and development.

Stopped reading here

Ethereum's programming research and development in blockchain and cryptocurrency is comparable to the industrial revolution. Good or bad, great innovations or learning from one's mystake, what or how things work, how they don't.. well this is where it happens. Blockchain technology is where it is today because of ethereum, dragged the dead weight with it. On top of that, brought mainstream attention from people that actually matter, and not only the attention of average joes ( bitcoin case ).

What i mean is, the methods provided by geth/eth are limited, too much limited, they could offer a lot more, you want to develop a blockchain technology ? ok, no problem, you want to make it funny ? it is up to you, but if you create a coin/token with it you should at least provide more ways to use it.
Try to integrate ethereum in a website, and you will understand what i mean. Bitcoin and forks/clones based on him are the easyest coins to integrate, why ? methods.
Check bitcoin adn ethereum Methods, RPC/IPC/console, compare them, and see which one is the easyest to use and the with most features.

This is why i think seriously need to work on methods. Plus, they have a serious node discovery problem, but the devs are more worried about politics to care for their users.

There is a really big difference between all these currencies first of
all the price increase in dash , eth is happening for the first time while bitcoin
has already passed so many tests and it has been through so many obstacles
while eth still has many tests to go as this price growth is surely temporary.

Bitcoin has more ecosystem advantages in one facet of blockchains, but Ethereum has smart contracts. Ethereum isn't as polished, but it arguably casts a wider influence demographics net.

CounterParty is not a secure design.

Also Bitcoin is bogged down in a HF war involving the major mining cartels. Ethereum is probably going to beat Bitcoin to market in offering payment channel instant transactions.

ETH reached $1.6B mcap in June 2015 when Bitcoin was $3.xB. So minimum upside I see for Ethereum in Q2 is $8 billion mcap. But I think parity with BTC's mcap is now possible and if BTU is killed off and BTC heads up to $2000+ as expected, perhaps ETH will reach $20 - $30billion market cap in 2017 also. So I am considering an upside of 400 - 500% this year as a possibility. With a double or so coming quite soon as a distinct possibility.

Other smaller mcaps may have even more upside, but I don't know which one to choose (roll a dice). XMR was another possible choice (and my angel investor already holds some, as well some of a DAG blockchain).

I am not a long-term bull on ETH. I am hedging. Will reevaluate as the BTU vs. BTC fiasco plays out.

I am not talking about market price, i focus more on the code. Smart contract is a great idea, now i would like you to compare these links, don't rush to answer because it is a long task, andi did it :
- https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/wiki/JSON-RPC
- https://github.com/ethereumproject/go-ethereum/wiki/Management-APIs
- https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list

And then tell me which one you will use for integration ?
Consider other aspects, more practical, when you run geth, on a VPS/server, you have to use "screen" (or annother program to run it in background) because he always sends the data to console, really annoying, then comes the support, try to ask integration questions, and you will find 0 support, or just a little with clues as answers.
plus, again, node discovery is totally messed, maybe there is no problem eth regarding this point, but etc have a real issue, and some are aleready complaining about the same issue with eth, so i assume it isjust a matter of time.

one of the great things eth did, was to fuse eth and geth even if you can use them separately, geth can be used to manage the node and merchant operations.

Integration | Clarity | User Friendly
These are the basic concepts for any project to achieve its goals (sounds like i am repeating)
Each of the other coins lack of at least one of them, and most lacks of all these elements.

Thanks for sharing the conclusions of your detailed study. Yeah you're right I've never looked at those integration issues.

Okay but I had already agreed with you that Bitcoin is more polished in some facets. But I am talking big picture concepts and you are talking about details. Vitalik is not the kind of guy you put in charge of the details (and I don't know to what extent he has delegated management of all the fine grained details). He is too busy blazing new trails and doing important research.

Ethereum is the more experimentative and novel ecosystem. It is not yet the refined ecosystem.

I am a programmer and I like good APIs. But good APIs require a lot of painstaking effort by focused designers. Bitcoin has that. For example, Gmaxwell is afaik German (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4901).

Vitalik is Russian. Russians are known for their algorithm twists of genius. Vitalik displays precisely that sort of attitude and interest. He is always creating an abstract model of everything he studies. I have watched him in videos and observed him doing this live in real time.

I have German ancestry but also Welsh, French, and Cherokee native American tribe.

Leaders bring different personalities and priority skills sets. Bitcoin is clearly the more tightly engineered ecosystem.

It is very, very difficult for one company or project to do all facets at the same level of excellence. Maybe for a major corporation such as Facebook or Google, but even Google has stumbled so many times and has shut down so many services and stranded former users of those services. And some of Google's APIs have sucked. It is difficult to keep every facet perfect when rushing to do many experiments.

Bitcoin I think has more top-notch methodical engineering types than Ethereum does. Ethereum's contributors seem to be much more out-of-the-box type personalities (also quite young and perhaps inexperienced) of what I remember about the coders I've seen in the videos.

JavaScript's ecosystem is a nightmare of chaotic experimentation with millions of confusing choices on npmjs. We even now have incompatible module formats competing with each other, and other examples of disorder.

Experimentation is messy. Orderly ordiness is sclerotic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1819153.msg18257874#msg18257874).

ETH transaction are more "dynamically" as they get confirmed much faster than bitcoin and here is an advantage of ethereum comparing with bitcoin, the block time is shorter than bitcoin. ETH is also a platform where other altcoins operate into the ETHereum platform and these are known as tokens which I think affect the block explorer and confirmation time because if we want to make a token(other altcoins) transaction then we should have "gas" which is ethereum.

No one could tell without any knowledge about it, I can't state about dash or ethereum as I just stick to bitcoin so far.
What I observe is the price of these coins, how fast dash and ethereum growing while we know bitcoin stuck somewhere and can't move any further since the problem still unsolved. Another thing I notice : ethereum has been around for years and proven as good coin, it is reliable coin which offers good idea of course. Dash coin still unclear for me due to so many people said it is a scam project, but the price seems pretty high right now, so tempting.

That's having a lot of the means. There is no store was accept the ethereum coin in this time and it almost true, No one.


The average time of the blocksize of bitcoin is 10 - 15 minutes. and based on my experience the ethereum transaction will take a minute or more to get delivered. I can't say the article was having high accuracy. 
The dash coin will take some minutes for your transaction to get delivered.

you guys keep praising Ethereum and its features and claim it is good and the reason for the rise.

did you know Lisk is doing the same thing but much easier, much more efficiently and it does it with JavaScript which is so much better and more multi platform-friendly :)

do you know why Lisk price is low! because these features you keep claiming to be good and useful is not being used by anyone and probably nobody is going to use it in the future either. well apart from making another DAO on ethereum and make shitloads of money and cause another ETH/ET.. fork

No we don't know that. Afaik, their marketing sucks. Never hear anything. The last I heard was when Charles Hoskinson made a video explaining that the Lisk devs had raised a lot of money but were technically and managerially incompetent.

Lisk, Waves, and Rise were ICO'ed at a very opportune time when ICO fever was at its maximum. So some incompetent groups were able to raise $millions.


JavaScript also has some tradeoffs.


Because copycoins suck. Vitalik is the leader of the innovation on Turing-complete blockchains. No genius developer from Lisk has been able to show on YouTube that he is of the same caliber.

Lisk hasn't innovated much. They take Dan Larimer (Bitshares') Graphene/DPoS and marry it to JavaScript and think they've done something important. It is basically just copying the leaders, while the leaders continue to innovate. If DPoS was a decentralized or even exciting solution, then Vitalik could have adopted it. Instead Vitalik has attempted to continue to innovate with Casper (although I think he and Vlad have failed to attain any significant breakthrough with Casper).

I agree with you, each developer have his own way of working, personally i am straight forward, and try to be as specific as possible in my code.


Agree also, but with a good organisation and segmentation, projects can develop every facet, in this point, Bitcoin have an enormous advantage as anyone can comme and work on it, so if i don't like the layout of bitcoin-qt, i can change it, offer it to the community.


Maybe, but i don't think age is a problem, nor the lack of experience, i think they lack of global vision because this is what lets you thinking on other facets of a project, things might look perfect for the developers, but usually, we always omit parts of the project, this is why it is important to provide support to new users/early adopters, as they bring new ideas and point to perninent issues omited by devs.


You know, i am a supporter of JavaScript, i like to use NodeJS, i believe it brings new features with amazing capabilities. the problem you are pointing to is that because of nodejs, webDevs are now considered as Devs, because JS is turning to a Machine Language, this is why there are so much concurring packages, but maybe it is not that bad, at least we have a large pannel of solutions.


Experimentation is great, as long at it is contained into a sandbox environment, it is one of the points i don't agree on with ethereum, they released and experiment and attributed a value to its token, basically people invest on experiment. It can radically change at any moment, and the usage of javascript in the console is just irrelevant because of the JSON interface.



Lisk is a great project, and i really believe they are a serious competitor to Bitcoin, have a look at this list goregeous API : https://github.com/LiskHQ/lisk-wiki/wiki/Lisk-API-Reference
Everything you need is here, their support is awesome, i talked with them on slack and asked for some support, who answered ? the CEO, this is a great approach to users. I follow them closely because i know they will realise great things if they keep moving the way they are doing.

@iamnotback you should have a look at Lisk, and try playing with their API, it is based on javascript too, they built it on nodeJS, with PostgreSQL (leveldb for bitcoin), regardless of the built-in web wallet (which is not really necessary).



I agree specifically on the last point, Lisk, Waves, Rise are comming from the same guys, i am sure about that even if i don't really have proofs.
I don't think Waves have real chances, but lisk yes, again, look at the API documentation, they will go far.
I am not the kind of user who judges a project because it can be integrated, many aspects have to be taken in count, and "multi-platform" isn't an argument at all, it is made with JS.

If you pay a little higher fee and use Dash instant send, then the transaction is confirmed in 2 seconds or less.

My point of you ETH is good wat u say guys ?

No.

ETH is ;

- centralized
- premined
- banking smell
- no COIN, its a PLATFORM for blockchain projects like Augur

So dont buy it, even if its rising

Buy bitcoin.

@erinn roe you really don't ask that question here. You have to read about these projects yourself. The guy that posted before me is clearly not the brightest guy in the room, so attempt to read a bit about these projects, what they try to do and so on.

Bitcoin = past
dash, eth = future

Destroys maintainability (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7303).

Btw, I am also vying for using JavaScript for apps, but with some changes.


Experimentation in a sandbox is not real experimentation. You have to build things in the wild to know if they really work and what they do. It is analogous to in vitro versus in vivo experimentation with medicines.

Perhaps you are the type of person who prefers the anal orderly ordiness of the German (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4901) or some northern European perfectionist? It is good for closed-source design (e.g. German engineered industrial products), but not very good for open source.


Quick glance it appears to be well done. But it doesn't look like a very complex thing to design. Basically I could readily find 100s of devs who could create that. But there are not 100s of Vitaliks readily available.


Well Lisk is apparently getting at least advice from Charles Hoskinson's IOHK.

But they have another problem which is Ethereum has more eyeballs and thus more apps are built, thus more eyeballs, thus more apps, ...

Copycoins have nearly 0 chance to succeed. Perhaps Lisk will find a unique niche or opportunity.

I'm no longer at lisk. I resigned to focus on other projects

what is going on with etc any idea?
 it's %20 up in last 24 hours :) ::)

You are right, i support in vitro experiments befor in vivo, and i know that open source projects usually releases the code in Alpha (generally) and then with the help of contributors walks to a production release. but doesn't it sounds more logical ?
well, i am perfectionist it is true. I like clean codes, organised, easy to read and explore.

Totally agree on the fact that, Lisk haven't yet released anything exeptional, as i said, i have a Lisk node, it is just nodeJS runing with a database environment, really nothing exceptional, but maybe in the futur releases they will bring some cunning functions to their code.
They offer exactly the same as ethereum for now, in a different environment, with user oriented methods. A steady update stream, and scaling capacities. Basically, you can create a lisk node in any nodeJS application easily, because it is made with NodeJS, this is why i think comparaison with ethereum stops here.

Lisk is raiding a popular language, ethereum is still fetching (because i don't understand why they made eth-cpp eth-go ...).

Yesterday i discovered a great website/application, gitbook, they use electron for their software packaging because it is made in javascript (and some go), lisk can do the same to integrate with nodejs. Can ethereum do it ? (without any API) I doubt, bitcoin can do it (aleready doing it)

sometimes i read comments that i can't even understand where you even got the idea of saying those things!

so are you trying to say that since the price of these coins rise fast that makes them good. that logic is broken my friend.
and besides if you take a quick look at the history of these coins and other 1000 coins like them you can see the same patterns repeat over and over again.

again, you are expecting an ever-rising-market and let me break your illusion and tell you that this kind of market doesn't exist anywhere in the world.
price goes up with more adoption and when it is fast there is a correction. and in small bitcoin market there are manipulations that causes a bigger correction.

what problem?
the only problems that bitcoin has are FUD, weak hands, and spam attack which can not go on forever and the only result of it is a little bit higher fees.
the rest of the things you "hear" are bullshit and political to take the power and none of them will ever happen.

you are using words without meaning :)
how is Ethereum reliable?
it is centralized
and it has bugs and exploitable features.

you said good ideas. ok, which one of them you are even aware of? which one of them have you even used?
i have lots of good ideas too, but unless they become reality and put to use, they remain just that, "ideas".

price being high, in other words going high so fast is not tempting it is a big ass warning. a warning to stay away because there is a bubble forming. and it doesn't matter what market it is. Dash, ETH, BTC, Gold, Silver,...
fast rise means you lost your chances to get in, now stay alert because a dump is coming when bubble bursts. of course you can always still get in but the risks are much higher and you will most probably lose lots of money.

You are a wise men, and you really know bitcoin, yes, for now there is only FUD around him, with people like Roger Ver attacking the network because he is failing with ethereum. As someone said in the forum (i suppose it is iamnotback) dash's scheme is like steem's scheme, even if the price is going up right now, it means that an equal or superior dump is comming, slow but steady price rising means the coin is stable and adopted, which means that it is time to get in.
Do not forget that coins like Dash, ETH, are easy to manipulate, even bitcoin's price be faked, pick an exchange, any one with low volume and dump it here, you will cause the price calculators to show fake values, thus people who invested in bitcoin will sell, and it will create a mini dump.
As i always said, price isn't a reference at all for a coin, price is just what people agrees to pay to get the coin, nothing more, nothing less.

Comparing BTC and ETH, at least ETH isn't just duplicating Visa and Paypal and Dash is a farce (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1837136.msg18294134#msg18294134).

@BTCLovingDude, I urge you to read the above linked thread and get some perspective on your claims.

And there are fitures be offered by bitcoin, ethereum and dashcoin

Bitcoins are decentralized digital money, so there is no sole owner. The system is run on servers scattered around the globe and belonging to various people. It makes Bitcoin immune to any adverse factors as well as inflation.

Ethereum is a public blockchain-based distributed computing platform, featuring smart contract functionality. It provides a decentralized virtual machine, the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM), that can execute peer-to-peer contracts using a cryptocurrency called ether.

Dash or digital cash is an open source peer-to-peer cryptocurrency that offers instant transactions (InstantSend), private transactions (PrivateSend) and token fungibility.

The DAO attack in retrospect (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1837136.msg18305514#msg18305514).

I hope you posted that on your MySpace wall. Otherwise no one listens.

The innovation on Ethereum is accelerating:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1839699.0

ETC has a better development community than ETH. They are solving totally different problems now.

If you really believe in decentralized cryptocontracts and the spirit of open source, ETC is the way to go. If you believe in a blockchain for corporates, go with ETH.

I'd say ETH will stay at its current price of $50 and maybe go up to $100.

ETC will not stay at its current price of $2, it's going up to $20 or $30 when people realize what's happening.

More specifics please. I am a developer. I want all the technical details.

You are totally out of the scope, ETC is totally abandoned, they can't even get fresh bootnodes and they have enormous problems with peers discovery and connection as they are messing with blocks.



Could you please develop ? what is the innovation behinde a token ? how can it bring something new as it is bound to a mother blockchain ?

Just reviving this old one because with talk of ETH and 2018 and with the BTC and BCH and all the BTC now and DASH prices higher than ETH, where would one be better buying now to hold into 2018?  ETH or DASH or keep it all in BTC?

I think it's just a good Btc to invest in the future.
 

Don't know anything about how Dash work, but the ETH blockchain for me is really promising the way they work.
The ICOs using ETH's platform makes ETH more renowned.

Maybe in the near future, 50% of every billionaires will invest in it.

ETH transactions are going pretty fast, but there are platforms that are working harder than the others, you can strike for example in NEO - I think with this technology there will still be a lot more

It is clear that bitcoin will always remain the most important for both price and popularization, but you can earn much more on Dasha. In China, its growth is expected to be 2000-4000 next year, and ETH cannot reach 400$ even now.

I had experience with both BTC and ETH and here is what I can say. It took about 3 hours for my transaction in BTC to complete. On the other hand I use transactions in ETH every day. To have a low fee I set the Gas Limit to 100000 (to be on the safe side, so it won't run out of GAS), and GWEI (Gas Price) to 0.1, which makes tx fee quite low (example: 0.0000037964 Ether ($0.001277)). Of course with such low fee you'll need to wait couple of minutes for tx to complete, but still it is in matter of minutes not hours. And if you want your tx to complete under a minute in most cases GWEI 1 should be enough. Now I don't have any BTC and I don't plan to have in the future, I don't like BTC.

If you were looking for the fastest transacting blockchain today available then you have missed it. Its waves. Currently it can take up more transaction per min than any other blockchain out there.

of course I choose bitcoin than others. Well, among all the coins, bitcoin is the coin that has the greatest potential on the internet. even bitcoin always competes with big companies. other coins always pursue a place to replace bitcoin.

I have bitcoin and ethereum in my different crypto wallet but I don't have dash i never experience with this coins. This two cryptocurrency the btc and eth was always top of my priority because I know it is more profitable, this high valued coins I always hunt by joing signaturecampaign from bitcointalk. Ethereum transactions are going accurate and fast, but there are platforms that are working harder than the others also it has a smart contract.

Out of the three options, I'd say that ETH is by far the best choice. Even though BTC is a descent invesment as well. Most people are invested in BTC, because it was the first crypto token and has the pioneer or leader advantage. Dash for example should not be one of your investments, because it fulfills the same purpose of Bitcoin (the transfer of value). ETH from the other hand offers much more than just value transfer, you can basically program (smart contracts) to do whatever you want with cryptocurrencies, many are developing services/products and applications using this platform and it's the most popular by now. ETH is a great hedge against BTC and BTC against ETH because they are fullfilling different purposes and market needs, since DASH is sharing the same market needs as BTC, I'd say that it's not worthy of your money.

Ethereum is much better than Bitcoin - it's a fact!

From all 3,eth is best .then come dash then btc.btc is primary cryptocurrency so it is popular everywhere and it is used by the most retailer or company but it doesn't have any backing i.e project to be based on.while dash is still growing.but best blockchain out of 3 is eth as they working on it and ethereum blockchain is widely accepted by big mnc.

Ethereum has a lot of advantages in terms of the project itself, but bitcoin took the world by storm and a lot of the original vision of Satoshi didn't happened because its not treated as store of wealth by most of us, specially big time investors. While Ethereum with its smart contract design is the new revolution, however not many company wants to apply it and they rather used the ever reliable blockchain chain technology which is safe and very secured for data storage, because its impossible to manipulate once the data is already on the blocks.

really a block for Bitcoin is very long-time but I think from Ethereum vs BTC vs Dash the fastest is Ethereum.

number one is always bitcoin. Ethereum in number two. the rest is not important.

Dash uses 'Instasend', so Dash would be faster.

Also i see alot of people calling Dash a scam coin. i do see it had a rocky start, but i like the governance, coin supply and the instasend. its easy to use.
And some dude claimed they were spending alot on marketing. Like that is a bad thing? Everybody is too focused on the specifics, but to get adoption you must think from the consumer perspective. wich currently is: I want to hear alot about it, it must be easy to obtain.

anyway regarding the first post.

BTC is becoming in my eyes, only for speculation and like the digital gold. there will be no real world use for it because it is slow, high fees and you need to have like 95% consensus for changes. That shit is way too slow to adopt to a fast developing market.

ETH, beautifull. However i do believe it could go both ways with emerging improved applications.

of the three have their respective characters, and their respective communities, bitcoin as a foundation that became known to the public got first choice for me.
where as etherum got the second sequence because many projects are developed through this platfrom.
while  dash has not really understood the development of the coin, but from the three options above I will place dash in third place, because I see bitmain also produce antminer D3. Perhaps the future dash is more developed.

Although Dash is a pretty famous coin, but now dash is so far behind from both of them. Most ICOs only accept ETH and BTC sometimes LTC is also accepted and what about Dash? Nothing.

I think when you talk about a coin, you can't just focus on it's technology features. You must always look at it's community, it's dev team and their long term goals. I like dash but their goal is to become a payment method, and they just don't have enough liquidity of support from the market in order to accomplish that. You can't become a payment method without enough liquidity, because you will just be to volatile. Who wants to pay with dash, even though it was fast, and it had low fees, and then just see it's price go up and see that they just "lost money" on that purchase.

This is where bitcoin excels, if you compare it to any other coins. Bitcoins want's to become a valuable asset first, and then given it's technology, will probably become a payment method or a global currency as well. Things need to be done in that order, and not the other way around.

As for ether, their goal is to act as a platform to allow investments for new projects. They could become a payment method, but I don't think they want that.

So for your first question, I would say that bitcoin and ether have a clear purpose, and are following it in the right direction. Dash also has a clear purpose, but are not pursuing it correctly (I would say that is the same problem with bcash for example).

As for technology, yes, dash allow faster transactions now, and has lowers fees etc, but that doesn't make it better than bitcoin or ethereum. BTC and Ether, will solve those issues in the long term (with lightning network and raiden network respectively), so I would invest on them, and not on dash.

All coins that want to be act as payment methods are overpriced right now in my opinion, expect for LTC.

stable DASH is built like Bitcoin but with upgraded technology !!!

This three coins has an individual potential, there will always be a one coin that will become ahead to others and that is bitcoin. Bitcoin is the first currency and more profitable than others, because of its price. That's why it still the number one coin. The two coin has also a potential but not now. Maybe in the future, so lets all see if this two coins will surpass bitcoin or not.