BTC vs ETH vs Dash?

[iamnotback]

JS is turning to a Machine Language, this is why there are so much concurring packages, but maybe it is not that bad, at least we have a large pannel of solutions.

Destroys maintainability.

Btw, I am also vying for using JavaScript for apps, but with some changes.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4901
Experimentation is messy. Orderly ordiness is sclerotic.

Experimentation is great, as long at it is contained into a sandbox environment, it is one of the points i don't agree on with ethereum, they released and experiment and attributed a value to its token, basically people invest on experiment. It can radically change at any moment, and the usage of javascript in the console is just irrelevant because of the JSON interface.

Experimentation in a sandbox is not real experimentation. You have to build things in the wild to know if they really work and what they do. It is analogous to in vitro versus in vivo experimentation with medicines.

Perhaps you are the type of person who prefers the anal orderly ordiness of the German or some northern European perfectionist? It is good for closed-source design (e.g. German engineered industrial products), but not very good for open source.

Lisk is a great project, and i really believe they are a serious competitor to Bitcoin, have a look at this list goregeous API : https://github.com/LiskHQ/lisk-wiki/wiki/Lisk-API-Reference
Everything you need is here, their support is awesome, i talked with them on slack and asked for some support, who answered ? the CEO, this is a great approach to users. I follow them closely because i know they will realise great things if they keep moving the way they are doing.

Quick glance it appears to be well done. But it doesn't look like a very complex thing to design. Basically I could readily find 100s of devs who could create that. But there are not 100s of Vitaliks readily available.

I agree specifically on the last point, Lisk, Waves, Rise are comming from the same guys, i am sure about that even if i don't really have proofs.
I don't think Waves have real chances, but lisk yes, again, look at the API documentation, they will go far.
I am not the kind of user who judges a project because it can be integrated, many aspects have to be taken in count, and "multi-platform" isn't an argument at all, it is made with JS.

Well Lisk is apparently getting at least advice from Charles Hoskinson's IOHK.

But they have another problem which is Ethereum has more eyeballs and thus more apps are built, thus more eyeballs, thus more apps, ...

Copycoins have nearly 0 chance to succeed. Perhaps Lisk will find a unique niche or opportunity.

[charleshoskinson]

I'm no longer at lisk. I resigned to focus on other projects

[Erinn Roe]

what is going on with etc any idea?
 it's %20 up in last 24 hours

[nemgun]

JS is turning to a Machine Language, this is why there are so much concurring packages, but maybe it is not that bad, at least we have a large pannel of solutions.

Destroys maintainability.

Btw, I am also vying for using JavaScript for apps, but with some changes.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4901
Experimentation is messy. Orderly ordiness is sclerotic.

Experimentation is great, as long at it is contained into a sandbox environment, it is one of the points i don't agree on with ethereum, they released and experiment and attributed a value to its token, basically people invest on experiment. It can radically change at any moment, and the usage of javascript in the console is just irrelevant because of the JSON interface.

Experimentation in a sandbox is not real experimentation. You have to build things in the wild to know if they really work and what they do. It is analogous to in vitro versus in vivo experimentation with medicines.

Perhaps you are the type of person who prefers the anal orderly ordiness of the German or some northern European perfectionist? It is good for closed-source design (e.g. German engineered industrial products), but not very good for open source.

Lisk is a great project, and i really believe they are a serious competitor to Bitcoin, have a look at this list goregeous API : https://github.com/LiskHQ/lisk-wiki/wiki/Lisk-API-Reference
Everything you need is here, their support is awesome, i talked with them on slack and asked for some support, who answered ? the CEO, this is a great approach to users. I follow them closely because i know they will realise great things if they keep moving the way they are doing.

Quick glance it appears to be well done. But it doesn't look like a very complex thing to design. Basically I could readily find 100s of devs who could create that. But there are not 100s of Vitaliks readily available.

I agree specifically on the last point, Lisk, Waves, Rise are comming from the same guys, i am sure about that even if i don't really have proofs.
I don't think Waves have real chances, but lisk yes, again, look at the API documentation, they will go far.
I am not the kind of user who judges a project because it can be integrated, many aspects have to be taken in count, and "multi-platform" isn't an argument at all, it is made with JS.

Well Lisk is apparently getting at least advice from Charles Hoskinson's IOHK.

But they have another problem which is Ethereum has more eyeballs and thus more apps are built, thus more eyeballs, thus more apps, ...

Copycoins have nearly 0 chance to succeed. Perhaps Lisk will find a unique niche or opportunity.

You are right, i support in vitro experiments befor in vivo, and i know that open source projects usually releases the code in Alpha (generally) and then with the help of contributors walks to a production release. but doesn't it sounds more logical ?
well, i am perfectionist it is true. I like clean codes, organised, easy to read and explore.

Totally agree on the fact that, Lisk haven't yet released anything exeptional, as i said, i have a Lisk node, it is just nodeJS runing with a database environment, really nothing exceptional, but maybe in the futur releases they will bring some cunning functions to their code.
They offer exactly the same as ethereum for now, in a different environment, with user oriented methods. A steady update stream, and scaling capacities. Basically, you can create a lisk node in any nodeJS application easily, because it is made with NodeJS, this is why i think comparaison with ethereum stops here.

Lisk is raiding a popular language, ethereum is still fetching (because i don't understand why they made eth-cpp eth-go ...).

Yesterday i discovered a great website/application, gitbook, they use electron for their software packaging because it is made in javascript (and some go), lisk can do the same to integrate with nodejs. Can ethereum do it ? (without any API) I doubt, bitcoin can do it (aleready doing it)

[BTCLovingDude]

sometimes i read comments that i can't even understand where you even got the idea of saying those things!

What I observe is the price of these coins, how fast dash and ethereum growing

so are you trying to say that since the price of these coins rise fast that makes them good. that logic is broken my friend.
and besides if you take a quick look at the history of these coins and other 1000 coins like them you can see the same patterns repeat over and over again.

while we know bitcoin stuck somewhere and can't move any further

again, you are expecting an ever-rising-market and let me break your illusion and tell you that this kind of market doesn't exist anywhere in the world.
price goes up with more adoption and when it is fast there is a correction. and in small bitcoin market there are manipulations that causes a bigger correction.

since the problem still unsolved.

what problem?
the only problems that bitcoin has are FUD, weak hands, and spam attack which can not go on forever and the only result of it is a little bit higher fees.
the rest of the things you "hear" are bullshit and political to take the power and none of them will ever happen.

Another thing I notice : ethereum has been around for years and proven as good coin, it is reliable coin which offers good idea of course.

you are using words without meaning
how is Ethereum reliable?
it is centralized
and it has bugs and exploitable features.

you said good ideas. ok, which one of them you are even aware of? which one of them have you even used?
i have lots of good ideas too, but unless they become reality and put to use, they remain just that, "ideas".

Dash coin still unclear for me due to so many people said it is a scam project, but the price seems pretty high right now, so tempting.

price being high, in other words going high so fast is not tempting it is a big ass warning. a warning to stay away because there is a bubble forming. and it doesn't matter what market it is. Dash, ETH, BTC, Gold, Silver,...
fast rise means you lost your chances to get in, now stay alert because a dump is coming when bubble bursts. of course you can always still get in but the risks are much higher and you will most probably lose lots of money.

[nemgun]

sometimes i read comments that i can't even understand where you even got the idea of saying those things!

What I observe is the price of these coins, how fast dash and ethereum growing

so are you trying to say that since the price of these coins rise fast that makes them good. that logic is broken my friend.
and besides if you take a quick look at the history of these coins and other 1000 coins like them you can see the same patterns repeat over and over again.

while we know bitcoin stuck somewhere and can't move any further

again, you are expecting an ever-rising-market and let me break your illusion and tell you that this kind of market doesn't exist anywhere in the world.
price goes up with more adoption and when it is fast there is a correction. and in small bitcoin market there are manipulations that causes a bigger correction.

since the problem still unsolved.

what problem?
the only problems that bitcoin has are FUD, weak hands, and spam attack which can not go on forever and the only result of it is a little bit higher fees.
the rest of the things you "hear" are bullshit and political to take the power and none of them will ever happen.

Another thing I notice : ethereum has been around for years and proven as good coin, it is reliable coin which offers good idea of course.

you are using words without meaning
how is Ethereum reliable?
it is centralized
and it has bugs and exploitable features.

you said good ideas. ok, which one of them you are even aware of? which one of them have you even used?
i have lots of good ideas too, but unless they become reality and put to use, they remain just that, "ideas".

Dash coin still unclear for me due to so many people said it is a scam project, but the price seems pretty high right now, so tempting.

price being high, in other words going high so fast is not tempting it is a big ass warning. a warning to stay away because there is a bubble forming. and it doesn't matter what market it is. Dash, ETH, BTC, Gold, Silver,...
fast rise means you lost your chances to get in, now stay alert because a dump is coming when bubble bursts. of course you can always still get in but the risks are much higher and you will most probably lose lots of money.

You are a wise men, and you really know bitcoin, yes, for now there is only FUD around him, with people like Roger Ver attacking the network because he is failing with ethereum. As someone said in the forum (i suppose it is iamnotback) dash's scheme is like steem's scheme, even if the price is going up right now, it means that an equal or superior dump is comming, slow but steady price rising means the coin is stable and adopted, which means that it is time to get in.
Do not forget that coins like Dash, ETH, are easy to manipulate, even bitcoin's price be faked, pick an exchange, any one with low volume and dump it here, you will cause the price calculators to show fake values, thus people who invested in bitcoin will sell, and it will create a mini dump.
As i always said, price isn't a reference at all for a coin, price is just what people agrees to pay to get the coin, nothing more, nothing less.

[iamnotback]

Comparing BTC and ETH, at least ETH isn't just duplicating Visa and Paypal and Dash is a farce.

@BTCLovingDude, I urge you to read the above linked thread and get some perspective on your claims.

[densuj]

There is a really big difference between all these currencies first of
all the price increase in dash , eth is happening for the first time while bitcoin
has already passed so many tests and it has been through so many obstacles
while eth still has many tests to go as this price growth is surely temporary.

And there are fitures be offered by bitcoin, ethereum and dashcoin

Bitcoins are decentralized digital money, so there is no sole owner. The system is run on servers scattered around the globe and belonging to various people. It makes Bitcoin immune to any adverse factors as well as inflation.

Ethereum is a public blockchain-based distributed computing platform, featuring smart contract functionality. It provides a decentralized virtual machine, the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM), that can execute peer-to-peer contracts using a cryptocurrency called ether.

Dash or digital cash is an open source peer-to-peer cryptocurrency that offers instant transactions (InstantSend), private transactions (PrivateSend) and token fungibility.

[iamnotback]

The DAO attack in retrospect.

[Minecache]

All I'm going to say is that Bitcoin is the first crypto-currency and nothing can change that fact no matter how many alternative crypto currencies are released by the day.

I hope you posted that on your MySpace wall. Otherwise no one listens.

[iamnotback]

The innovation on Ethereum is accelerating:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1839699.0

[desjardins]

what is going on with etc any idea?
 it's %20 up in last 24 hours

ETC has a better development community than ETH. They are solving totally different problems now.

If you really believe in decentralized cryptocontracts and the spirit of open source, ETC is the way to go. If you believe in a blockchain for corporates, go with ETH.

I'd say ETH will stay at its current price of $50 and maybe go up to $100.

ETC will not stay at its current price of $2, it's going up to $20 or $30 when people realize what's happening.

[iamnotback]

what is going on with etc any idea?
 it's %20 up in last 24 hours

ETC has a better development community than ETH. They are solving totally different problems now.

If you really believe in decentralized cryptocontracts and the spirit of open source, ETC is the way to go. If you believe in a blockchain for corporates, go with ETH.

I'd say ETH will stay at its current price of $50 and maybe go up to $100.

ETC will not stay at its current price of $2, it's going up to $20 or $30 when people realize what's happening.

More specifics please. I am a developer. I want all the technical details.

[nemgun]

what is going on with etc any idea?
 it's %20 up in last 24 hours

ETC has a better development community than ETH. They are solving totally different problems now.

If you really believe in decentralized cryptocontracts and the spirit of open source, ETC is the way to go. If you believe in a blockchain for corporates, go with ETH.

I'd say ETH will stay at its current price of $50 and maybe go up to $100.

ETC will not stay at its current price of $2, it's going up to $20 or $30 when people realize what's happening.

You are totally out of the scope, ETC is totally abandoned, they can't even get fresh bootnodes and they have enormous problems with peers discovery and connection as they are messing with blocks.

The innovation on Ethereum is accelerating:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1839699.0

Could you please develop ? what is the innovation behinde a token ? how can it bring something new as it is bound to a mother blockchain ?

[Mathiau]

Just reviving this old one because with talk of ETH and 2018 and with the BTC and BCH and all the BTC now and DASH prices higher than ETH, where would one be better buying now to hold into 2018?  ETH or DASH or keep it all in BTC?

[oppasong]

I think it's just a good Btc to invest in the future.
 

[jonemil24]

1) Any main differences within them and what's their best strength against each other?

2) As i know block time for BTC is averaging at 10 minute and recently if you sent not enough fees your transaction takes really long time.
I remember i read an article about ETH transaction just take within 15 seconds and the opposite will receive, is that true? I only uses BTC to transact.
How about Dash?

Thanks!

Don't know anything about how Dash work, but the ETH blockchain for me is really promising the way they work.
The ICOs using ETH's platform makes ETH more renowned.

Maybe in the near future, 50% of every billionaires will invest in it.

[Welckomtome]

1) Any main differences within them and what's their best strength against each other?

2) As i know block time for BTC is averaging at 10 minute and recently if you sent not enough fees your transaction takes really long time.
I remember i read an article about ETH transaction just take within 15 seconds and the opposite will receive, is that true? I only uses BTC to transact.
How about Dash?

Thanks!

ETH transactions are going pretty fast, but there are platforms that are working harder than the others, you can strike for example in NEO - I think with this technology there will still be a lot more

[bazar111]

It is clear that bitcoin will always remain the most important for both price and popularization, but you can earn much more on Dasha. In China, its growth is expected to be 2000-4000 next year, and ETH cannot reach 400$ even now.

[andrii.povkh]

I had experience with both BTC and ETH and here is what I can say. It took about 3 hours for my transaction in BTC to complete. On the other hand I use transactions in ETH every day. To have a low fee I set the Gas Limit to 100000 (to be on the safe side, so it won't run out of GAS), and GWEI (Gas Price) to 0.1, which makes tx fee quite low (example: 0.0000037964 Ether ($0.001277)). Of course with such low fee you'll need to wait couple of minutes for tx to complete, but still it is in matter of minutes not hours. And if you want your tx to complete under a minute in most cases GWEI 1 should be enough. Now I don't have any BTC and I don't plan to have in the future, I don't like BTC.