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Title: UK Election on 8th June (and ensuing aftermath)
Post by: DooMAD on April 18, 2017, 10:52:35 AM
BREAKING NEWS:

Why am I only reading just now, the day before the election, that both London attacker Rachid Redouane and Salman Abedi, the Manchester bomber fought in the 2011 British/NATO war against Gaddafi?

People are now saying that they were both recruited by MI5 to fight in Libya and Syria.  The reason that being frequently reported to the PREVENT program did nothing is because they weren't on a watchlist, they were on our own government's payroll!

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It’s little wonder that just one day before the general election, Theresa May has gone camera shy. Theresa May is hiding from questions by journalists about her activities as Home Secretary which saw the recruitment of British Jihadis by MI5 to fight in Libya and Syria and who were given freedom of movement and funding to come in and out of the UK as they pleased. Hiding from questions about her selling Billions of pounds of weaponry to Saudi Arabia, the biggest supplier of weapons to ISIS. Hiding from questions about cutting military personnel by 35,000, police numbers by 20,000 and firefighters by 10,000.

"A London attacker and UK covert operations in Syria and Libya. The Telegraph reports that London attacker Rachid Redouane fought in the 2011 British/NATO war against Qadafi – as did Salman Abedi, the Manchester bomber – and joined a militia which went on to send jihadist fighters to Syria. In Libya, he is believed to have fought with the Liwa al Ummah unit.
http://markcurtis.info/2017/06/07/a-london-attacker-and-uk-covert-operations-in-syria-and-libya/#_ftn1

"'Sorted' by MI5: How UK government sent British-Libyans to fight Gaddafi"
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/sorted-mi5-how-uk-government-sent-british-libyans-fight-gaddafi-1219906488

"TERROR IN BRITAIN: WHAT DID THE PRIME MINISTER KNOW?"
http://johnpilger.com/articles/terror-in-britain-what-did-the-prime-minister-know

"British Libyans and Libyan exiles in Britain, who saw their “control orders” lifted and their passports returned by MI5 six years ago so they could go and fight Gaddafi were never going to turn into sober citizens the day after his fall. Just as the link is undeniable between the perpetrators of 9/11 and the US and Saudi backing for Jihadis fighting the Communists in Afghanistan in the 1980s, so too is the connection between the Manchester bombing and the British Government using Salafi-jihadis from the UK to get rid of Gaddafi."
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/30/we-cant-britainbecome-a-vast-isis-recruiting-station/

If there turns out to be even the slightest hint of truth to this, we are absolutely NOT SAFE under Theresa May!



A fact-checked and sourced list of 33 reasons to vote for anyone but the tories on the 8th June (https://election2k17.wordpress.com/)



"Prime Minister Theresa May has called for a general election in the United Kingdom in a bid to cement her party's grip on power (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-theresa-may-snap-uk-2017-what-date-tory-labour-jeremy-corbyn-conservative-a7688396.html)".

Considering we still haven't really reached any resolution of the previous election's corruption and fraud committed by the Tories (http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/elections/2017/03/70000-question-what-does-conservative-party-election-expenses-scandal), plus the allegations of attempting to gerrymander results by rigging boundary changes to benefit the Tories (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tories-boundary-review-election-conservatives-labour-rig-650-600-seats-a7239266.html) and quietly knocking 800,000 potential voters off the electoral roll (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/24/nearly-800000-names-axed-from-voter-register-officials-figures-show), what do we make of this?

I don't know how anyone could vote for these disgusting criminals.  Literal scum.  Not to mention hypocrites:

http://www.wearedecentralised.co.uk/toryhypocrisy.png

I hope this election makes her eat those words.


//EDIT:  

Also, here are some things you should know if you plan to vote tory (http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/30-things-you-should-know-about-tory.html).  

Also, also, May sets to personally profit from Brexit in clear and blatant conflict of interest (https://skwawkbox.org/2017/04/30/theresa-may-under-investigation-re-brexit-profits/).

Also x3, £5 million illegally laundered via HSBC and IPGL Ltd into tory party funding (https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/10886/campaigners-rail-against-tories-cash-conservatives-scandal).

x4, Top tory donor Lycamobile raided and 9 charged with tax fraud and money landering (http://economia.icaew.com/news/june-2016/lycamobile-offices-raided-by-french-police-in-money-laundering-probe).

x5, tory donors linked to offshore tax havens (https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/04/tory-donors-links-to-offshore-firms-revealed-in-leaked-panama-papers).

x6 Theresa May conveniently still can't find 114 "lost" files implicating members of her party in decades of child abuse (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28189858).

x7 Cash for access scandals (http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/tory-donations-peerages-contracts.html).

x8 May plans to spend £10 Billion of your money to facilitate a mass sell-off of your NHS (https://skwawkbox.org/2017/05/30/may-loves-naylorreport-everyone-must-seeshare-video-ge17-nhs/)

x9 Tory MP finally charged with election fraud after a misdeclaration of expenses in the previous election (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-election-fraud-craig-mackinlay-south-thanet-mp-candidate-nigel-farage-tory-charge-cps-a7768596.html).

x10 British-manufactured weapons sold by tories to Saudi Arabia used in war crimes (http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/uk-government-more-concerned-protect-saudi-arms-deals-yemeni-lives-119057494).

More abuses to be added as they're found.


See Also:
  • Theresa May and her government aptly and comically summed up in three and a half minutes by Jonathan Pie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M91g4OlGEY)


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap Election in June
Post by: Barrymore on April 18, 2017, 10:55:43 AM
Corrupt politicians urged to vote for brexit, and now do not know what decision to make. It seems to me that early elections is an attempt to shift responsibility for the consequences of brexit on the other.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap Election in June
Post by: DooMAD on April 18, 2017, 11:05:39 AM
Corrupt politicians urged to vote for brexit, and now do not know what decision to make. It seems to me that early elections is an attempt to shift responsibility for the consequences of brexit on the other.

And not just Brexit.  Now that the Tories have sold off vast swathes of the NHS and made sure they've provided as little funding as possible for what little remains, they can also shift responsibility for that mess.   

They pretty much have a win-win situation going on.  If they win, they can keep wrecking the country and profiteering while they do it.  If they lose, they can blame whoever wins the election for not being able to sort out the shambles they created.  It's not looking good for the future of Britain, despite the tories' insidious "all in this together" rhetoric.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap Election in June
Post by: gentlemand on April 18, 2017, 12:16:46 PM
If only there was an opposition that wasn't made up of pathetic donkeys. I really can't remember a time when our politics were as chaotic and amateurish as they are now.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap Election in June
Post by: DooMAD on April 18, 2017, 08:49:39 PM
If only there was an opposition that wasn't made up of pathetic donkeys. I really can't remember a time when our politics were as chaotic and amateurish as they are now.

My hope is that this surprise announcement acts as a call to arms and maybe the opposition get their act together and actually try fighting the tories for a change, instead of fighting each other.  There's also a chance that some of the tory candidates standing in this election might even be arrested during the campaign (https://www.channel4.com/news/exclusive-cps-considering-charges-against-over-30-people-including-tory-mps-over-expenses), so that's nice. 


Be sure to spread this far and wide on social media:

HOW TO VOTE TO STOP THE TORIES (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19_yf4RL133fBKscvSbID4eRKwztzY9KSI_2BMaI1bU8/htmlview?sle=true#)

If your constituency isn't listed, just vote for someone who isn't a tory (or a kipper, as those are basically tories too).


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap Election in June
Post by: gentlemand on April 18, 2017, 09:47:40 PM
If your constituency isn't listed, just vote for someone who isn't a tory (or a kipper, as those are basically tories too).

My constituency is hideously Conservative and the last Lib Dem they rolled out looked about 13.

I think it's going to be a second opportunity for Brexiters to ram it home no matter what. All politicians from all sides have totally fucked us.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap Election in June
Post by: Sithara007 on April 19, 2017, 01:40:27 AM
Corrupt politicians urged to vote for brexit, and now do not know what decision to make. It seems to me that early elections is an attempt to shift responsibility for the consequences of brexit on the other.

No. The corrupt politicians were urging for the voters to reject Brexit. But the voters had enough of the EU association, and they voted for an exit from the European Union. Theresa May just did what was needed.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap Election in June
Post by: squatz1 on April 19, 2017, 01:47:45 AM
If only there was an opposition that wasn't made up of pathetic donkeys. I really can't remember a time when our politics were as chaotic and amateurish as they are now.

Kinda sad but this is very true.

Big thing is here is that this is politics and this is how it all works, if they feel they'd be able to get more seats now then in 2020 then they'll push for an election now. They have probably even thought about all the heat in which they'll take if they do this and they have figured out it's the right decision to make for the party. Only the lord knows if it's the right thing for the party but they don't care about that.


Opposition won't hold much of a fight, sucks but it's something that is true and must be said.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap Election in June
Post by: DooMAD on April 19, 2017, 07:26:48 PM
Corrupt politicians urged to vote for brexit, and now do not know what decision to make. It seems to me that early elections is an attempt to shift responsibility for the consequences of brexit on the other.

No. The corrupt politicians were urging for the voters to reject Brexit. But the voters had enough of the EU association, and they voted for an exit from the European Union. Theresa May just did what was needed.

I'd argue there were plenty of corrupt politicians on both sides of the debate.  Most MPs have a fairly hefty shareholding in various sectors and I can't help but suspect there was a conflict of interest there, which would have swayed which side of the debate they fell on.  Anyone with shares in an industry or sector that would benefit from a hefty dose of deregulation would have been voting leave, because ultimately, I suspect that's the true reason for Brexit.  The easily led public think it's about borders, immigration and sovereignty, but the people with the money know they can take a steaming liquid shit over things like workers rights and public safety to save £££ without the legislation that protects the general public.  When living standards fall and the levels of immigration remain constant to how they are currently, everyone who voted for it will see they got duped (again).

http://www.wearedecentralised.co.uk/torybus.png



Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap Election in June
Post by: gentlemand on April 19, 2017, 07:36:37 PM
No. The corrupt politicians were urging for the voters to reject Brexit. But the voters had enough of the EU association, and they voted for an exit from the European Union. Theresa May just did what was needed.

But the 'politicians' who did persuade people to vote out recanted on the factoids they used to lure voters and are now running around like headless chickens on the road to nowhere.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on April 19, 2017, 10:42:54 PM
Theresa May as romped home i have always voted labour not this time ..
she will get my vote SO WE CAN LEAVE THE EU.. ;D

Dream on if you think the brexiters wont vote for THERESA MAY..

Also regardless if she does good or bad it's only 2 years longer anyway..
She would of been in until 2020 .So if she does bad she will be out 2022.

BUT AT LEAST WE GET THE BREXIT..No stalling with Mrs May..
The other parties would of been stalling for years and years hoping we would all forget..
NO CHANCE..

VOTE Mrs MAY EVERYONE..What's 2 MORE YEARS?.

BUT AT LEAST WE RULE OUR OWN LAND ...GREAT BRITAIN the people who rule.

And we when we voted brexit we got told if we are out we are out NO SINGLE MARKET..
So please stop saying we never knew what we voted for..

VOTE Mrs MAY ..

THE REAMONERS will try every trick in the book..

We must vote for Mrs May if we want BREXIT..And i mean OUT..
If the EU tries to take advantage of the uk we walk..

AND NO FREE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE..NO WAY.

Then on 2022 I will decide which party i want to take me and my family into the FUTURE..
But at least Corbyn will be OUT.

Nice man and all BUT so stupid he would let everyone in and run up DEBT so much it would KILL US..

Also more MOSQUES would be on every street :D

So in 2022 a new labour leader plus if Mrs may does good she might get my vote again..

So just because of a 2 year wait i will have a better choice in POLITICS..

WIN WIN WIN..

Corbyn TOTAL IDIOT .We would have no NUKES and it makes me sleep better at night knowing we have them..

SO EVERYONE VOTE FOR MRS MAY..


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on April 19, 2017, 10:54:10 PM
What's 2 MORE YEARS?.

Considering that the Tories usually manage to sell off around £2.1 billion in NHS contracts to the private sector in the space of a year (http://www.nhsforsale.info/contract-alert.html), 2 more years of Maggie May is far more privatisation than I'd like to see.  I assume the future you want to take your family into doesn't include healthcare free at the point of need?  I hope they frack under your house, too.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on April 19, 2017, 11:22:52 PM
What's 2 MORE YEARS?.

Considering that the Tories usually manage to sell off around £2.1 billion in NHS contracts to the private sector in the space of a year (http://www.nhsforsale.info/contract-alert.html), 2 more years of Maggie May is far more privatisation than I'd like to see.  I assume the future you want to take your family into doesn't include healthcare free at the point of need?  I hope they frack under your house, too.
Daughter might go in the medical profession so she will be getting big pay days  ;D.
gifted in school unlike me  :D.

See my life was a street child PARENTS useless always fighting i was never in school..
My child never ever stays off school always in unless very sick and the school know it..

Now if corbyn wins i know my daughters job chances will be out the window .
Like corbyn wants every child to be the same BUT not every child is the same ..
Some are way smarter than others so why HOLD THEM BACK..
Like my daughter is way way smarter than i ever was in school so why hold her back.?

The right to buy homes will go under corbyn and i want my child to have the right to buy..

corbyn is so nice the world will WALK ALL OVER HIM..And he will DESTROY the UK..
NO THANK YOU..

I hope they frack under your house,..Makes no difference to me HGV vehicles go past my house every 5 mins..Plus my water has blue bits in it and sometimes goes brown or white  :D..

So i think i am dead from cancer anyway :D.
I drink bottled water..

Does anyone remember ONLY FOOLS AND HORSES ..
Del boy with his bottled water idea and everyone LAUGHED .Not laughing NOW ;).

2 more year wait won't make a difference and i cannot have corbyn as my leader never ever..
and the liberals No chance .

WE WANT OUT AND THE ONLY WAY IS MRS MAY..I thinks you never know she might do a u turn
remember she wanted to stay in the EU.
So she might con us ALL.. It would be no surprise ..We all Know politicians?.

Then 2 years later i will vote UKIP if she betrays us..


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: Sithara007 on April 20, 2017, 01:06:19 AM
What's 2 MORE YEARS?.

Considering that the Tories usually manage to sell off around £2.1 billion in NHS contracts to the private sector in the space of a year (http://www.nhsforsale.info/contract-alert.html), 2 more years of Maggie May is far more privatisation than I'd like to see.  I assume the future you want to take your family into doesn't include healthcare free at the point of need?  I hope they frack under your house, too.

The NHS is still in pretty good shape, but in future there will be some strain due to the population ageing. On top of that, unlimited immigration of third world immigrants have put additional pressure on the NHS. Nothing is guaranteed in the future.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: gentlemand on April 21, 2017, 02:44:00 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/20/labour-not-trying-win-general-election-senior-mp-admits-least/

And check this. It does feel a little like we've been in a parallel universe the last few months and it's not letting up.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: Iranus on April 21, 2017, 09:17:35 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/20/labour-not-trying-win-general-election-senior-mp-admits-least/

And check this. It does feel a little like we've been in a parallel universe the last few months and it's not letting up.
Half of the "New Labour" MPs seem to just want the Tories to win.  It's just a self-fulfilling prophecy - they say that Labour is unelectable and then basically argue that they shouldn't be elected because they're unelectable, and in turn that stops them getting elected.  Very confusing.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: saddampbuh on April 21, 2017, 11:03:20 PM
there are lots of things wrong with the tories but they are the only sensible choice when put up against the marxist supporter of the ira corbyn. a bit disappointed they wont commit to cutting foreign aid when they'd have nothing to lose and it would be well received by the electorate, over half which supports either them or ukip according to all the recent polls.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: Sithara007 on April 22, 2017, 04:47:23 AM
there are lots of things wrong with the tories but they are the only sensible choice when put up against the marxist supporter of the ira corbyn. a bit disappointed they wont commit to cutting foreign aid when they'd have nothing to lose and it would be well received by the electorate, over half which supports either them or ukip according to all the recent polls.

Tories are just like the rabid left-wing labor party. They also want the native population of Great Britain replaced with the unwashed immigrant hordes from the third world nations such as Bangladesh and Pakistan. Earlier, there was a real choice for the British people - the BNP. But that party has disintegrated in to oblivion now.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on April 22, 2017, 11:19:56 AM
Earlier, there was a real choice for the British people - the BNP. But that party has disintegrated in to oblivion now.

And with good reason.  Because it was a choice that most people never wanted to make.  They disintegrated because of the simple fact that not enough people agreed with them.  Try to remember that not everyone is as overtly xenophobic as the BNP and their supporters.  Believe it or not, some of us don't actually have a problem with migrants.  If fact, some of us are quite happy to welcome them.  I know that's a sickening prospect for you, but try not to throw up or anything.

Maybe you could try living abroad for a year or so.  Don't knock it 'til you've tried it and such.  Open your mind a little.  Put yourself in their shoes rather than judging them without experiencing the same things they have.

//EDIT:  Also, some are now arguing that The tories and the BNP aren't all that dissimilar (http://evolvepolitics.com/ambassador-theresa-may-manifesto-bnp/) in their rhetoric as of late.  The shift further to the right is palpable.  This is by far the most right-wing government we've had in at least the last 50 years, probably more.


WE WANT OUT AND THE ONLY WAY IS MRS MAY..I thinks you never know she might do a u turn
remember she wanted to stay in the EU.
So she might con us ALL.. It would be no surprise ..We all Know politicians?

Maybe there are reasons (https://skwawkbox.org/2017/04/30/theresa-may-under-investigation-re-brexit-profits/) for her change of heart.

These guys want out too (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-eu-campaign-arron-banks-jeremy-hosking-five-uk-richest-businessmen-peter-hargreaves-a7699046.html).  Remind me who it is you're "taking back control" for again?  If you think it's the general public, then you're beyond adorably naive.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: gentlemand on April 22, 2017, 11:49:54 AM
Earlier, there was a real choice for the British people - the BNP. But that party has disintegrated in to oblivion now.

They were a bunch of swivel eyed criminals and social inadequates with abnormally low levels of intelligence and comprehension. My anus wouldn't vote for the type of people you wouldn't even let onto a bus.



Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: bryant.coleman on April 22, 2017, 12:48:33 PM
Earlier, there was a real choice for the British people - the BNP. But that party has disintegrated in to oblivion now.

And with good reason.  Because it was a choice that most people never wanted to make.  They disintegrated because of the simple fact that not enough people agreed with them.  Try to remember that not everyone is as overtly xenophobic as the BNP and their supporters.  Believe it or not, some of us don't actually have a problem with migrants.  If fact, some of us are quite happy to welcome them.  I know that's a sickening prospect for you, but try not to throw up or anything.

Maybe you could try living abroad for a year or so.  Don't knock it 'til you've tried it and such.  Open your mind a little.  Put yourself in their shoes rather than judging them without experiencing the same things they have.

//EDIT:  Also, some are now arguing that The tories and the BNP aren't all that dissimilar (http://evolvepolitics.com/ambassador-theresa-may-manifesto-bnp/) in their rhetoric as of late.  The shift further to the right is palpable.  This is by far the most right-wing government we've had in at least the last 50 years, probably more.


Try living in localities such as Birmingham, Burnley and Barking, and you might change your opinion. You may not have much issues with the immigrants, because you are living in posh gated communities, which are well guarded against the immigrant crime. The same can't be said about the native blue collar workers. They have suffered enormously.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on April 22, 2017, 01:28:16 PM
You may not have much issues with the immigrants, because you are living in posh gated communities, which are well guarded against the immigrant crime. The same can't be said about the native blue collar workers. They have suffered enormously.

ROFL what?  I can promise you my area is absolutely not a posh gated community.  In fact, it was bestowed the dubious honour of being the most economically deprived district in all of Kent at one point.  I'm honestly not sure if that's still the case now, but I assure you it ain't no Kensington and Chelsea here.  The school I attended back in the day was twice labelled "worst in the country" by OFSTED.  I've worked in a factory that went bust, a high street retailer that went bust and now a call centre.  Most of the criminals I see round here are home-grown chavs (and, obviously, the tories too).  None of the deprivation here is caused by immigration, it's always been that way for decades.  But feel free to keep being a presumptuous arse and jumping to conclusions.  

Three local tory constituencies, the one I reside in and the two adjacent, are under investigation for electoral fraud.  All our local MPs could potentially (fingers crossed) end up behind bars.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on April 28, 2017, 04:48:13 PM
Oh, how did I miss this little gem?  

there are lots of things wrong with the tories but they are the only sensible choice when put up against the marxist supporter of the ira corbyn

As opposed to the neoliberal supporters of the IRA, Ted Heath (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/2601875.stm), Margaret Thatcher (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-16366413) and John Major (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/the-secret-ira-meetings-revelation-body-blow-to-major-premiers-authority-damaged-by-his-risky-1507416.html)?  Is there no end to your willful and belligerent ignorance?  All three Tory Prime Ministers supported the IRA, they just did it in secret, like the insidious, duplicitous snakes they were.  Thatcher even lied to the public, claiming she'd never negotiate with them, while actively negotiating with them.  The reason you know Corbyn had an open dialogue with the IRA is due to the simple fact he was open about it and never tried to conceal it or lie about it after.  

It's just a little hypocritical for you to bash Corbyn for having openly talked to the IRA when the political establishment you're defending were doing the same thing in but in secret for decades.  Troll harder next time.

Also, the tories went well beyond the limits of just talking to the IRA, they financially supported the IRA through illegal money laundering (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lords-stunned-by-tory-peers-ira-funding-claim-2126723.html), plus some other highly questionable organisations around the globe.  Maybe there are a few more things wrong with the tories than you realised.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on April 28, 2017, 07:39:40 PM
You may not have much issues with the immigrants, because you are living in posh gated communities, which are well guarded against the immigrant crime. The same can't be said about the native blue collar workers. They have suffered enormously.

ROFL what?  I can promise you my area is absolutely not a posh gated community.  In fact, it was bestowed the dubious honour of being the most economically deprived district in all of Kent at one point.  I'm honestly not sure if that's still the case now, but I assure you it ain't no Kensington and Chelsea here.  The school I attended back in the day was twice labelled "worst in the country" by OFSTED.  I've worked in a factory that went bust, a high street retailer that went bust and now a call centre.  Most of the criminals I see round here are home-grown chavs (and, obviously, the tories too).  None of the deprivation here is caused by immigration, it's always been that way for decades.  But feel free to keep being a presumptuous arse and jumping to conclusions.  

Three local tory constituencies, the one I reside in and the two adjacent, are under investigation for electoral fraud.  All our local MPs could potentially (fingers crossed) end up behind bars.
Kent :D..People believe me KENT is posh compared to Birmingham .
Farmland country and Maidstone kent is a nice place to live..

So now i know you have no clue to the real immigration problem ..

Thanks for clearing that up.. KENT :D..
A young kid could walk in the wrong area and be killed so thank your lucky stars you live in KENT..


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on April 28, 2017, 07:56:54 PM
Oh, how did I miss this little gem?  

there are lots of things wrong with the tories but they are the only sensible choice when put up against the marxist supporter of the ira corbyn

As opposed to the neoliberal supporters of the IRA, Ted Heath (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/2601875.stm), Margaret Thatcher (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-16366413) and John Major (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/the-secret-ira-meetings-revelation-body-blow-to-major-premiers-authority-damaged-by-his-risky-1507416.html)?  Is there no end to your willful and belligerent ignorance?  All three Tory Prime Ministers supported the IRA, they just did it in secret, like the insidious, pluralistic snakes they were.  Thatcher even lied to the public, claiming she'd never negotiate with them, while actively negotiating with them.  The reason you know Corbyn had an open dialogue with the IRA is due to the simple fact he was open about it and never tried to conceal it or lie about it after.  

It's just a little hypocritical for you to bash Corbyn for having openly talked to the IRA when the political establishment you're defending were doing the same thing in but in secret for decades.  Troll harder next time.

Also, the tories went well beyond the limits of just talking to the IRA, they financially supported the IRA through illegal money laundering (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lords-stunned-by-tory-peers-ira-funding-claim-2126723.html), plus some other highly questionable organisations around the globe.  Maybe there are a few more things wrong with the tories than you realised.

Labour minister claims Jeremy Corbyn attempted to use his father to ...
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22 Jul 2016 - Conor McGinn, a Labour Party whip, has said Mr Corbyn had threatened to contact his father, a former Sinn Fein councillor, after an interview in .

 Thatcher even lied to the public, claiming she'd never negotiate with them,
So Thatcher must of done a bad deal because they tried to blow her up..

Or did they?..
I mean she was not in the room she was suppose to be in when they blew the hotel up..
They missed her .Or did she know?..Money Money Money makes people funny in a rich mans world..

Look what THATCHER DONE and the police and the politicians covered it up..

Fury as files on Mark Thatcher's 'corrupt' dealing in the Middle East ...
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21 Jul 2016 - Mark Thatcher, son of late British former prime minister Margaret ... from commission from Britain's then-biggest ever arms deal that saw the ..

Margaret Thatcher held secret Saudi arms talks, archives show - BBC ...
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24 Aug 2016 - Margaret Thatcher held secret talks with Saudi Arabian rulers in 1985, leading ... Secrecy has always played a large part in arms sales, and the .


THATCHER .The WITCH ..She should of been dumped on the rubbish tip when she died..BITCH.

She robbed our TAXES ;).FACT..


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on April 28, 2017, 09:26:37 PM
Margaret Thatcher held secret Saudi arms talks, archives show - BBC ...
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37167251
24 Aug 2016 - Margaret Thatcher held secret talks with Saudi Arabian rulers in 1985, leading ... Secrecy has always played a large part in arms sales, and the .


THATCHER .The WITCH ..She should of been dumped on the rubbish tip when she died..BITCH.

She robbed our TAXES ;).FACT..

And May is absolutely no different:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/saudi-arabia-arms-sales-us-uk-theresa-may-angus-robertson-snp-a7474206.html

Steal the taxes of the hard working British Public, give tax breaks to billionaires, sell off public assets to some more billionaires, sell weapons to the Saudis.  Thatcher and May - two peas in a shit-smeared pod. 

I'd have expected the anti-establishment sentiment on a Bitcoin forum to be more pronounced than this, but it seems like most of you are happy to continue being cheerleaders for more of the same neoliberal lies because you're gullible enough to believe the tories actually give two shits about you.  How abysmally disappointing.


You may not have much issues with the immigrants, because you are living in posh gated communities, which are well guarded against the immigrant crime. The same can't be said about the native blue collar workers. They have suffered enormously.

ROFL what?  I can promise you my area is absolutely not a posh gated community.  In fact, it was bestowed the dubious honour of being the most economically deprived district in all of Kent at one point.  I'm honestly not sure if that's still the case now, but I assure you it ain't no Kensington and Chelsea here.  The school I attended back in the day was twice labelled "worst in the country" by OFSTED.  I've worked in a factory that went bust, a high street retailer that went bust and now a call centre.  Most of the criminals I see round here are home-grown chavs (and, obviously, the tories too).  None of the deprivation here is caused by immigration, it's always been that way for decades.  But feel free to keep being a presumptuous arse and jumping to conclusions. 

Three local tory constituencies, the one I reside in and the two adjacent, are under investigation for electoral fraud.  All our local MPs could potentially (fingers crossed) end up behind bars.
Kent :D..People believe me KENT is posh compared to Birmingham .
Farmland country and Maidstone kent is a nice place to live..

So now i know you have no clue to the real immigration problem ..

Thanks for clearing that up.. KENT :D..
A young kid could walk in the wrong area and be killed so thank your lucky stars you live in KENT..

If you want to keep portraying this myth that every square inch of Kent is some glorious paradise, then you can join bryant.coleman in the "feel free to keep being a presumptuous arse and jumping to conclusions" camp.  But the simple fact remains, it varies from one locality to another.  There are obviously some very nice, posh areas, but equally some total shit-holes.  If Kent is the "Garden of England", my corner of it must be that bit where they put the compost heap and store the manure.  People generally assume Medway is the roughest part of Kent, but my district has higher crime figures. 


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on April 28, 2017, 10:02:53 PM
Margaret Thatcher held secret Saudi arms talks, archives show - BBC ...
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37167251
24 Aug 2016 - Margaret Thatcher held secret talks with Saudi Arabian rulers in 1985, leading ... Secrecy has always played a large part in arms sales, and the .


THATCHER .The WITCH ..She should of been dumped on the rubbish tip when she died..BITCH.

She robbed our TAXES ;).FACT..

And May is absolutely no different:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/saudi-arabia-arms-sales-us-uk-theresa-may-angus-robertson-snp-a7474206.html

Steal the taxes of the hard working British Public, give tax breaks to billionaires, sell off public assets to some more billionaires, sell weapons to the Saudis.  Thatcher and May - two peas in a shit-smeared pod. 

I'd have expected the anti-establishment sentiment on a Bitcoin forum to be more pronounced than this, but it seems like most of you are happy to continue being cheerleaders for more of the same neoliberal lies because you're gullible enough to believe the tories actually give two shits about you.  How abysmally disappointing.


You may not have much issues with the immigrants, because you are living in posh gated communities, which are well guarded against the immigrant crime. The same can't be said about the native blue collar workers. They have suffered enormously.

ROFL what?  I can promise you my area is absolutely not a posh gated community.  In fact, it was bestowed the dubious honour of being the most economically deprived district in all of Kent at one point.  I'm honestly not sure if that's still the case now, but I assure you it ain't no Kensington and Chelsea here.  The school I attended back in the day was twice labelled "worst in the country" by OFSTED.  I've worked in a factory that went bust, a high street retailer that went bust and now a call centre.  Most of the criminals I see round here are home-grown chavs (and, obviously, the tories too).  None of the deprivation here is caused by immigration, it's always been that way for decades.  But feel free to keep being a presumptuous arse and jumping to conclusions. 

Three local tory constituencies, the one I reside in and the two adjacent, are under investigation for electoral fraud.  All our local MPs could potentially (fingers crossed) end up behind bars.
Kent :D..People believe me KENT is posh compared to Birmingham .
Farmland country and Maidstone kent is a nice place to live..

So now i know you have no clue to the real immigration problem ..

Thanks for clearing that up.. KENT :D..
A young kid could walk in the wrong area and be killed so thank your lucky stars you live in KENT..

If you want to keep portraying this myth that every square inch of Kent is some glorious paradise, then you can join bryant.coleman in the "feel free to keep being a presumptuous arse and jumping to conclusions" camp.  But the simple fact remains, it varies from one locality to another.  There are obviously some very nice, posh areas, but equally some total shit-holes.  If Kent is the "Garden of England", my corner of it must be that bit where they put the compost heap and store the manure.  People generally assume Medway is the roughest part of Kent, but my district has higher crime figures. 
Go and live in Birmingham for 1 month and you will see and feel the difference .
Kent is not known for a bad area some little rough parts but nothing compared to Birmingham
NOTHING COMPARED TO IT..
Birmingham is like going to PAKISTAN  :D.

And soon Kent suppose to be getting a Disney World .
I can understand you might live in a so called rough area BUT could you get shot for being in the wrong street..
It's like Chicago Birmingham and were i live..
Your just farmland ..

ROWLAND HILDER Land.. <Artist


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on May 02, 2017, 05:53:44 PM
Go and live in Birmingham for 1 month and you will see and feel the difference .
Kent is not known for a bad area some little rough parts but nothing compared to Birmingham
NOTHING COMPARED TO IT..
Birmingham is like going to PAKISTAN  :D.

Funny you should keep banging on about Birmingham in an effort to prove your point, as 9 out of the 10 constituencies in Birmingham voted for a Labour MP (https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/info/20097/elections_and_voting/1080/mps_and_meps) in the last election and the Brexit referendum was close to a 50/50 split.  49.5% voted to remain and 50.5% voted to leave in Birmingham.  Anyone looking at this might just get the impression that you're blowing this immigration thing out of all proportion, because on the whole, people living there clearly don't feel as strongly about it as you do.



In more tory criminal news, evidence has arisen of £5 million of tory funding being illegally laundered through HSBC and IPGL Ltd, chaired by Tory Party Treasurer & Chief Fundraiser, Michael Spencer (https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/10886/campaigners-rail-against-tories-cash-conservatives-scandal).  If you vote tory, you're voting for corruption.  Combine this with one of the tories top donors, Lycamobile, having nine people charged for tax fraud and money laundering (http://economia.icaew.com/news/june-2016/lycamobile-offices-raided-by-french-police-in-money-laundering-probe) *and* tory donors' links to offshore firms leaked in the Panama papers (https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/04/tory-donors-links-to-offshore-firms-revealed-in-leaked-panama-papers) and it all starts to look like a criminal cartel.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on May 04, 2017, 08:49:41 AM
Go and live in Birmingham for 1 month and you will see and feel the difference .
Kent is not known for a bad area some little rough parts but nothing compared to Birmingham
NOTHING COMPARED TO IT..
Birmingham is like going to PAKISTAN  :D.

Funny you should keep banging on about Birmingham in an effort to prove your point, as 9 out of the 10 constituencies in Birmingham voted for a Labour MP (https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/info/20097/elections_and_voting/1080/mps_and_meps) in the last election and the Brexit referendum was close to a 50/50 split.  49.5% voted to remain and 50.5% voted to leave in Birmingham.  Anyone looking at this might just get the impression that you're blowing this immigration thing out of all proportion, because on the whole, people living there clearly don't feel as strongly about it as you do.



In more tory criminal news, evidence has arisen of £5 million of tory funding being illegally laundered through HSBC and IPGL Ltd, chaired by Tory Party Treasurer & Chief Fundraiser, Michael Spencer (https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/10886/campaigners-rail-against-tories-cash-conservatives-scandal).  If you vote tory, you're voting for corruption.  Combine this with one of the tories top donors, Lycamobile, having nine people charged for tax fraud and money laundering (http://economia.icaew.com/news/june-2016/lycamobile-offices-raided-by-french-police-in-money-laundering-probe) *and* tory donors' links to offshore firms leaked in the Panama papers (https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/04/tory-donors-links-to-offshore-firms-revealed-in-leaked-panama-papers) and it all starts to look like a criminal cartel.
50/50 split in Birmingham No We Brexit won 49 to 50 and because Birmingham voted out
it was a total SHOCK ..So goes to show how bad we feel..
I have voted LABOUR ALL MY LIFE..Not this time leader is pathetic ..WEAK ..No NUKES no thank you.

BUT you remoaners have no clue YOUR ARE DUMB ASSES.. :D.

If we leave with no deal we go to tariffs ..NOW THIS IS HOW STUPID YOU ARE..
We pay 10% but so do they when they send stuff to the UK..
WHAT YOUR JUST GOING TO LET THE EU CHARGE US ..BUT WE DON'T CHARGE THEM??

In the same year, UK exports to the EU were valued at £223.3 billion, while UK imports from the EU stood at £291.1 billion.

We import 70 billion pounds more each year from the EU..
Now 10% of 70 billion means we gain 7 billion more each year if we both charge 10% on tariffs ..

Norway are out ..They charge the EU well more when they import from the EU..
They are not STUPID..YOU ARE.. ;)..

Why Norway voted NO to the EU - and why it's NEVER looked back, ... Norway's Mimmi Kvisvik says the country is far better off out of the EU ... There has been a rock solid majority against EU membership for more than 10 years. ... the European Free Trade Agreement (EEA) that makes Norway part of the ..

We need to get out of the EU we have better plans ..
We voted out and out means out..

And you remoaners need to learn OUT MEANS OUT..

Oh but no not hard out  we want soft out :D..
NO OUT MEANS OUT..

YOU VOTED IN and in means in and you lost..

I mean we could say no be we never voted for soft in :D :D..

So now we are moaning over hard out and soft in..
Sounds like a night with the wife..^
Mind you the brexit like a divorce with the wife..I WANT THIS <the wife <the EU..


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on May 04, 2017, 09:24:15 AM
This is NORWAY..

Norwegians voted ‘no’ to the EU in a heated referendum in 1994 – and we are not regretting it.

According to the most recent poll, 72 per cent are opposed to Norwegian membership of the EU, with only 18.1 per cent supporting it and 9.9 per cent undecided.

Norway has experienced unprecedented economic growth since the ‘no’ vote in 1994.

Annual growth in GDP has been significantly higher in Norway than the EU average.

There has been a strong increase in foreign investments in Norway, more than doubling in the last 10 years alone.

For decades, Norway has enjoyed easy access to the EU market.

Since 1994 through the European Free Trade Agreement (EEA) that makes Norway part of the Single Market.

We believe Norway would be even better off by replacing the EEA agreement with a bilateral trade agreement with the EU.

The EEA agreement is still very much preferable to EU membership. The EEA agreement encompasses less than 10 percent of EU law making. (Source: EUR-lex and annual EFTA-reports)

The EU is both a single market and a political and economic union.

The EEA agreement includes Norway in the Single Market, but we are still independent from most of the European Union. In addition, and more importantly, Norway still has a sovereign right to refuse the incorporation of new EU legislation.

Norway’s monetary policy is decided BY Norway FOR Norway.

Outside the euro, Norway has used its economic policies to stimulate employment and growth.


And you believe WHAT EU GANGSTERS TELL YOU..

Now i know why they wanted immigration so much so they stay in the EU..
More vote for the EU gangsters ..

Very sneaky people ..RATS to be honest ..

Please don't talk to me REMOANERS YOU ARE DICKS..
Yes and even some family members of mine are complete DICKS..

THEY WANT OUR TAXES to pay there pensions ..
And some of our politicians are in on it ..THEY ALL ARE AROUND EUROPE..
EUROPEAN DOUBLE PENSIONS..1 pension of the country they come from and another from the EU..
FUCKING DOUBLE PENSIONS..  Greedy RATS..

And all for talking COMPLETE BULLSHIT..And never changed nothing BUT GOT US KILLED..

scum bags..


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: pyata4ok on May 04, 2017, 05:23:07 PM
This is NORWAY..

Norwegians voted ‘no’ to the EU in a heated referendum in 1994 – and we are not regretting it.

According to the most recent poll, 72 per cent are opposed to Norwegian membership of the EU, with only 18.1 per cent supporting it and 9.9 per cent undecided.

Norway has experienced unprecedented economic growth since the ‘no’ vote in 1994.

Annual growth in GDP has been significantly higher in Norway than the EU average.

There has been a strong increase in foreign investments in Norway, more than doubling in the last 10 years alone.

For decades, Norway has enjoyed easy access to the EU market.

Since 1994 through the European Free Trade Agreement (EEA) that makes Norway part of the Single Market.

We believe Norway would be even better off by replacing the EEA agreement with a bilateral trade agreement with the EU.

The EEA agreement is still very much preferable to EU membership. The EEA agreement encompasses less than 10 percent of EU law making. (Source: EUR-lex and annual EFTA-reports)

The EU is both a single market and a political and economic union.

The EEA agreement includes Norway in the Single Market, but we are still independent from most of the European Union. In addition, and more importantly, Norway still has a sovereign right to refuse the incorporation of new EU legislation.

Norway’s monetary policy is decided BY Norway FOR Norway.

Outside the euro, Norway has used its economic policies to stimulate employment and growth.


And you believe WHAT EU GANGSTERS TELL YOU..

Now i know why they wanted immigration so much so they stay in the EU..
More vote for the EU gangsters ..

Very sneaky people ..RATS to be honest ..

Please don't talk to me REMOANERS YOU ARE DICKS..
Yes and even some family members of mine are complete DICKS..

THEY WANT OUR TAXES to pay there pensions ..
And some of our politicians are in on it ..THEY ALL ARE AROUND EUROPE..
EUROPEAN DOUBLE PENSIONS..1 pension of the country they come from and another from the EU..
FUCKING DOUBLE PENSIONS..  Greedy RATS..

And all for talking COMPLETE BULLSHIT..And never changed nothing BUT GOT US KILLED..

scum bags..

In Europe, people are not so that they could be characterized negatively. The fact is that their life styles made Neo only political for such a social revolution in the minds of people. This suggests that in Europe people live entirely according to different rules, differing sent lives of other countries.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on May 04, 2017, 06:04:28 PM
If we leave with no deal we go to tariffs ..NOW THIS IS HOW STUPID YOU ARE..
We pay 10% but so do they when they send stuff to the UK..
WHAT YOUR JUST GOING TO LET THE EU CHARGE US ..BUT WE DON'T CHARGE THEM??

In the same year, UK exports to the EU were valued at £223.3 billion, while UK imports from the EU stood at £291.1 billion.

We import 70 billion pounds more each year from the EU..
Now 10% of 70 billion means we gain 7 billion more each year if we both charge 10% on tariffs ..

Norway are out ..They charge the EU well more when they import from the EU..

And if trade were the sole defining factor of Brexit, you might almost be close to making a valid point for once in your life, but it isn't the sole defining factor.  You also have to consider things like how many British jobs rely on travel to the EU.  Thankfully I don't work in travel myself, but I do work for a British company that provide travel insurance, package holidays and cruises.  Brits are quite fond of popping across on budget airlines or the tunnel for short periods because it's simple and easy.  But if there comes a point where it's not simple or easy and less people start calling my company because it's too mach hassle, or our prices are affected and customers deem the costs prohibitive, some of my colleagues' jobs could be on the line.  And that's just the first example that came to mind.  Obviously you don't care about that, though, because you're too busy worrying about people coming over here instead.  I'm not surprised it would escape your attention.

Since you said you're a builder, perhaps you'd be fractionally more attuned to the effects on your own industry:

Quote
The free movement of labour between the UK and other EU member states is a valuable asset to the construction industry – with a significant number of skilled and non-skilled roles filled by non-UK nationals.

The construction industry accounts for around three million jobs in the UK (10 per cent of total employment), and a significant number of these professionals are from other EU member states.

"If the UK were to leave the EU, skilled construction workers who would previously have considered coming to the country for work may find it easier to find work in France, Germany or Spain,” explains Manchester.

Freedom of movement is seen by many to be at the very cornerstone of the UK construction industry’s success, accommodating the combination of a varied selection of skills in this multi-discipline environment.

Mark Webb, chairman of the property and construction group at Smith & Williamson explains: “When considering that the key components of the sector are also cornerstones of the EU, access to labour and flexible working, it is less shocking.

"The survey highlights the concern within the industry that should a Brexit happen there is a very high likelihood of access to labour declining as margins are squeezed.”

Glasgow Roofing Service's director Jamie Wood also fears that if immigration laws change it would leave Britain worryingly short of tradesmen in the construction and housebuilding sectors.

“Why would workers struggle across to Britain with strict emigration laws?” he asks.

Paul Payne, managing director of construction and rail recruitment specialist One Way, expects support from specialist professionals across the EU to become more difficult, potentially slowing down project timelines and stalling completion dates.

“Our construction workforce could miss out on gathering new insight and skills from their EU counterparts. In a field where new developments and green initiatives impact the way we work, the ability to gain experience from across the continent is hugely beneficial in staying ahead of the curve,” he says.

Wood also expects the cost of labour to rise and for small contractors and business owners “this is a worrying notion,” he says.

The current cost of construction has increased by average eight per cent on labour cost in the last six months and is set to keep on rising, explains Monika Slowikowska, founder of Golden Houses Developments.

“By leaving the EU, we predict that this could increase by an extra 15 to 20 per cent,” she says.

and

Quote
Only 15% of construction executives favoured a UK exit from the EU but the industry must now come to terms with the reality of the UK’s departure from the European Union.

So what are the possible implications?
The construction industry relies heavily on a skilled and non-skilled migrant workforce. It is feared that outside of the EU (which guarantees the right to free movement) the existing skills shortage could worsen. If immigration is limited, particularly for skilled workers, the UK could witness higher project costs where labour demand outstrips supply.
This could have a knock-on effect on housebuilders abilities to meet the government’s housing targets, with potential cost increases for the housing market and construction companies. This further decline in housebuilding could deepen the housing crisis.

And that's just travel and construction.  Now consider every other field of industry in Britain.


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap General Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on May 09, 2017, 07:57:34 AM
This is NORWAY..

Norwegians voted ‘no’ to the EU in a heated referendum in 1994 – and we are not regretting it.

According to the most recent poll, 72 per cent are opposed to Norwegian membership of the EU, with only 18.1 per cent supporting it and 9.9 per cent undecided.

Norway has experienced unprecedented economic growth since the ‘no’ vote in 1994.

Annual growth in GDP has been significantly higher in Norway than the EU average.

There has been a strong increase in foreign investments in Norway, more than doubling in the last 10 years alone.

For decades, Norway has enjoyed easy access to the EU market.

Since 1994 through the European Free Trade Agreement (EEA) that makes Norway part of the Single Market.

We believe Norway would be even better off by replacing the EEA agreement with a bilateral trade agreement with the EU.

The EEA agreement is still very much preferable to EU membership. The EEA agreement encompasses less than 10 percent of EU law making. (Source: EUR-lex and annual EFTA-reports)

The EU is both a single market and a political and economic union.

The EEA agreement includes Norway in the Single Market, but we are still independent from most of the European Union. In addition, and more importantly, Norway still has a sovereign right to refuse the incorporation of new EU legislation.

Norway’s monetary policy is decided BY Norway FOR Norway.


Again, you appear to be supporting my point rather than attacking it.  Norway is a fantastic example.  You should probably vote for Corbyn, then.  Corbyn favours 'Norway model' post Brexit (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-favours-norway-model-post-brexit-a7309861.html):

Quote
The Labour leader indicated that access to the single market, similar to that which Norway currently has, is the relationship Britain should seek after it exits the European Union

Jeremy Corbyn has indicated a Norway-style model would be the best option for Britain when it leaves the EU.

Following a speech at the headquarters of financial data company Bloomberg, Mr Corbyn said in an interview with Bloomberg TV: "We're looking very closely at the Norwegian model. Not using their model, it's learning the lessons from Norway."

Mr Corbyn said the Labour Party “will be pressing for full access to the European single market for goods and services” but with some conditions.

“We should not be falling back on a World Trade Organisation-only trade deal with Europe as that would potentially risk damage to the public finances and significant job losses,” he said.

Norway has full access to the free trade zone but must pay into the EU budget, accept its laws and accept the free movement of the bloc's citizens.

Theresa May has indicated that the referendum result means that controls will be placed on EU migration. The EU’s negotiators have said access to the single market without free movement of people is impossible.


Norway recognised the absolute importance of maintaining access to the single market.  Incompetent May has indicated on numerous occasions that she'd happily sacrifice access to the single market if it meant she could enact more of her exploitative policies to rob the average Brit of both their money and their rights.  Plus she's going to fall flat on her face with her piss-poor negotiating stance that doesn't actually involve any negotiating and mostly consists of blindly making stupid demands that are never going to be met.

Further, Norwegians living in the UK think that Corbyn's policies don't make him some sort of hard-left radical and he'd actually fit pretty well in Norway's own Labour party (https://www.opendemocracy.net/can-europe-make-it/jonas-fossli-gjers/jeremy-corbyn-mainstream-scandinavian-social-democrat):

Quote
As a Scandinavian who has spent more than a decade living in Britain, nothing has made me feel more foreign than observing the current Labour leadership election. From his style to his policies Mr Corbyn would, in Norway, be an unremarkably mainstream, run-of-the-mill social-democrat. His policy-platform places him squarely in the Norwegian Labour Party from which the last leader is such a widely respected establishment figure that upon resignation he became the current Secretary-General of NATO.

Yet, here in the United Kingdom a politician who makes similar policy-proposals, indeed those that form the very bedrock of the Nordic-model, is brandished as an extremist of the hard-left and a danger to society.

So who is right? Is the Norwegian Labour movement some dangerous extremist group that unknowingly has occupied the furthest leftist fringe of the political spectrum? If so, a casual glance at the UN’s Human Development Index would suggest that Norway certainly has not suffered as a result of successive Labour-dominated governments. Or is it, perhaps, that the British media’s portrayal of Corbyn, and by extent his policies are somewhat exaggerated and verging on the realm of character assassination rather than objective analysis and journalism?


And before you decide to start waffling on about immigration again, because I know you can't help it, you should know that when Theresa May was Home Secretary, she ended up overseeing the biggest migration surge in UK history (http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/dont-believe-right-wing-immigration-lies.html):

Quote
Do you know which home secretary oversaw the highest levels of net migration in UK history?

It was Theresa May, who in 2010 promised the electorate that she would cut net migration to below 100,000, but instead allowed the biggest inwards migration surge in history, with net migration peaking at a huge 336,000 shortly before she was appointed as Prime Minister by her Tory chums.

You might be inclined to disbelieve me because you haven't heard much about this in the media, but there are reasons you haven't heard it. Last year, under pressure from Theresa May's allies in the Tory party the Daily Telegraph spiked an excoriating article about Theresa May's track record at the Home Office.

There are people who really don't want you to know how badly Theresa May handled the immigration situation when it was her remit, and they're the same kind of people who spread lies and misrepresentations about Labour's immigration policies too aren't they?

Theresa May's immigration policy is arbitrary and stupid

Politicians plucking arbitrary numbers out of thin air and making that number their golden objective is as old as the hills. Tony Blair and Gordon Brown did it with their ridiculous 3% borrowing golden rule (you know the rule that drove the expansion of rip-off PFI economic alchemy schemes and was quickly jettisoned to lob £billions at the insolvent "too big to fail" banks).

Theresa May's 100,000 target wasn't just an arbitrary and ridiculous objective that drove lamentable policies, she ended up overseeing the biggest migration surge in UK history.

Two of the dreadful policies Theresa May introduced to try to repress immigration ended up driving away economically beneficial migrants like university students and tens of thousands of non-EU citizens who are married to UK citizens,

Driving away university students in order to juke the immigration statistics has seriously harmed UK universities because foreign students are a massive net benefit to the UK economy. International students contribute £25 billion to the UK economy and support some 200,000 jobs.

Using discriminatory rules to force tens of thousands of British families into exile because one of the adults is a non-EU citizen is also ridiculous. Only an intense bigot would try to argue that migrants who are married to a British citizen are the kind of people the government should be clamping down on. If they're married to a Brit they're highly likely to speak English, assimilate well into British culture, work and pay tax in the UK, and stay here instead of taking their earnings out of the country to return to their country of origin like a lot of migrant workers do.

Despite cruelly wrecking the lives of tens of thousands of families and damaging UK universities with her dreadfully ill-considered immigration policies Theresa May still missed her arbitrary 100,000 target by miles, becoming the Home Secretary who let in more migrants than any other Home Secretary in history!

She set a stupid arbitrary target, introduced terrible policies to try to achieve it, and spectacularly failed by her own measure of success.

https://i2.wp.com/voxpoliticalonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/170508-Theresa-May-on-Immigration-Morten-Morland.jpg?resize=529%2C382

So yeah, you haven't really got a leg to stand on if you insist on shooting yourself in the foot.

Any more points you'd like to raise that only serve to prove you wrong?


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on May 19, 2017, 01:44:32 PM
*bump*

Theresa May to shut down the internet as we know it (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html)

The tories continue their unrelenting assault on both encryption and personal freedom on the internet.  It was already well established that the incompetent and technologically illiterate halfwits don't understand encryption in the slightest (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1119474.msg11866866#msg11866866).  Despite all the warnings from industry leaders and security experts, they're going to plough ahead with their dangerous and ignorant policy to coerce companies to install backdoor vulnerabilities in software, but only after it seems they finally figured out that they can't actually ban math itself, which was their original plan (and I wish to fuck I was making that up, they really are that fucking stupid).  Then double down with some heavy censorship and draconian "thought police" policies.  

And people claim the tories aren't fascists?   These demagogues are a greater threat to civilisation than ANY terrorist could ever hope to be.  Those who would willingly trade their freedom for their security deserve neither and that's precisely what you're going to get if the tories have their way.  No security and no freedom.  If you are a UK voter, you need to act on the 8th June and get these deranged psychopaths out of government.  


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Jet Cash on May 19, 2017, 02:41:30 PM
I'm voting for UKIP - we need a clean Brexit to get away from the KeiserReich. May is messing about with stupid negotiated trade deals. Politicians don't make trade deals, they just erect barriers, and raise taxes.

We don't want reduced immigration, we want negative immigration. Stop the toxic immigration, and encourage the beneficial immigration.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on May 19, 2017, 04:18:28 PM
I'm voting for UKIP - we need a clean Brexit to get away from the KeiserReich. May is messing about with stupid negotiated trade deals. Politicians don't make trade deals, they just erect barriers, and raise taxes.

We don't want reduced immigration, we want negative immigration. Stop the toxic immigration, and encourage the beneficial immigration.

The problem is, you're still going to let May win unless you vote tactically (https://www.tactical2017.com/), because our First-Past-The-Post system is a sham, along with the boundary rigging the tories are engaged in.  Britain had the chance to vote for something slightly more representative back in 2011, but again, the gormless public shot themselves in the foot during that referendum.  It's getting to be a habit now.  


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Sithara007 on May 20, 2017, 03:28:18 AM
I'm voting for UKIP - we need a clean Brexit to get away from the KeiserReich. May is messing about with stupid negotiated trade deals. Politicians don't make trade deals, they just erect barriers, and raise taxes.

We don't want reduced immigration, we want negative immigration. Stop the toxic immigration, and encourage the beneficial immigration.

Even the UKIP is against completely stopping the immigration. As such, there is no choice for the British who are against the current immigration policies. Earlier there was the BNP, but they disintegrated years back.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on May 20, 2017, 03:56:35 AM
I'm voting for UKIP - we need a clean Brexit to get away from the KeiserReich. May is messing about with stupid negotiated trade deals. Politicians don't make trade deals, they just erect barriers, and raise taxes.

We don't want reduced immigration, we want negative immigration. Stop the toxic immigration, and encourage the beneficial immigration.

The problem is, you're still going to let May win unless you vote tactically (https://www.tactical2017.com/), because our First-Past-The-Post system is a sham, along with the boundary rigging the tories are engaged in.  Britain had the chance to vote for something slightly more representative back in 2011, but again, the gormless public shot themselves in the foot during that referendum.  It's getting to be a habit now.  
We the people voted OUT so we want OUT..<DEMOCRACY  ;D..Even if we starve to death that was our choice..
BUT we British are way to smart to starve..

It's what we do best we like the pressure because it makes us stronger ..
If we fail the EU fails 100 times worse ;)..

We are the buyers and if we don't buy all the other EU countries except Germany and a few others will suffer..

Our QUEEN her head is on many a countries money ;D..
About 2 billion in the commonwealth ..

So to the EU we want free trade with no tariffs and we are not paying no money ..
If you be nice WE MIGHT pay you a couple of billion BUT you must be nice ..

FREE TRADE .NO TARIFFS ..NO PAYING THE EU TO TRADE..And we run our own laws and no free movement of people..

I.E RELIGIOUS CRAZIES <no free movement..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on May 20, 2017, 04:46:11 AM
To Mrs may you have many a people who have put their trust in you so please don't let us down..
Truth goes a long way..

If you budget is 1 billion every year to pay for public services if you keep adding more people it means less for the rest..

1 doctor in a hospital 20 years ago will see about 30 patients a day NOW about 200 :D.

So we need more doctors to cope meaning less money for roads and schools because we only have 1 billion budget..

SO DO YOU UNDERSTAND..The more people the less to go around..
The government only put out so much money each year to spend on the public..

The MATHS don't WORK..Give me £10 i have £10 add 1 more person i only got £5 keep adding and you keep getting less..

Good if you run a business because you don't pay much taxes to put back into the public purse only the workers do..
And plus if you own a good business you can always go private..

Free movement cannot work the rich will get richer the poor will suffer..And the poor are the middle class ..The low class are doomed..<NO HOPE.

It's not about the colour of your skin it's about to much immigration kills your public services ..< And maybe that's the plan to privatise everything..

See many vote for labour TONY BLAIR the RAT ..
Just think he wanted free movement knowing quite well it would over run our public services .
So what happens is they say it's not working we need to privatise everything..

Labour party are promising us all the world ..
Yes very nice but with free movement and with the fact everyone almost can speak English around the world they will want to come to the UK first
Makes sense they speak our lingo ..
So how does labour PAY FOR THE WHOLE WORLD..

Free homes free hospitals free schools free maternity pay free pensions free school meals..
And all this to anyone around the world who wants to come to the UK ..

How many live in the UK 65 million soon it will be 2 billion if labour win..

We will one day soon be having to eat each other for food and shelter ..

WHAT ABOUT MY FUTURE CHILDREN..Don't care if someone from another country takes his or her spot..<Schools and what not.

So why care for your COUNTRY?..^ < It's not really your country then    your only a slave for taxes..

So why not FLEE if war breaks out :-\..Well my so called country only wanted my taxes and give the best deal to people from other countries..

LABOUR is a finished PARTY..Invite anyone in for a vote..

How will he pay for the whole planet to live Jeremy Corbyn ..Free this free that to anyone and to anyone with free movement ::)..

He must have some money stashed to be paying for the whole world..Yes he will they will all want to come HERE..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on May 22, 2017, 02:14:44 PM
Free movement cannot work the rich will get richer the poor will suffer..And the poor are the middle class ..The low class are doomed..<NO HOPE.

It's not about the colour of your skin it's about to much immigration kills your public services ..< And maybe that's the plan to privatise everything..

Immigration also builds our public services.  Considerable research (https://fullfact.org/immigration/immigration-and-nhs-staff/) and fact checking (https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-immigration-and-pressure-nhs/) has been done to show that migration is clearly not the cause of our struggling NHS, but may have more of an impact on education (https://fullfact.org/immigration/impacts-migration-local-public-services/).  Literally the only thing the tories are getting right is that they're still letting people in faster than Labour ever did.  

Listen to what people in the NHS themselves are actually saying (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUGAcyX_TPU).

It's also laughable that May has to throw more money (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/dementia-tax-google-adverts-conservatives-stop-reading-policy-controversy-election-2017-manifesto-a7748646.html?cmpid=facebook-post) at hiding her disastrous U-turn on her social care plans (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-dementia-tax-u-turn-pensioners-labour-corbyn-general-election-conservative-tory-poll-a7749001.html) after negative media coverage and a massive slide in the polls.  I sincerely hope this election spending is correctly declared and they're not engaging in yet more fraud.  


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on May 30, 2017, 09:03:43 PM
To Mrs may you have many a people who have put their trust in you so please don't let us down..
Truth goes a long way..

And the truth is out.  The vile cunt plans on pissing away £10 Billion of public money to expedite a mass firesale of public NHS assets to private owners (https://skwawkbox.org/2017/05/30/may-loves-naylorreport-everyone-must-seeshare-video-ge17-nhs/).

Any gormless fuckwit who still thinks the NHS is safe in the tories' hands needs to read this and watch the video now (https://skwawkbox.org/2017/05/30/may-loves-naylorreport-everyone-must-seeshare-video-ge17-nhs/)

Quote
During her TV interview with Andrew Neil last week, Theresa May repeated her usual nonsense ad nauseam, but when asked about Tory plans for the NHS, she only talked about The Naylor Report.

May admits that implementing the Naylor Report will cost ten billion pounds – but she makes it sound like this is additional government investment in the NHS.

It is not – it’s £10bn of our money that Mrs May intends to spend on ‘accelerating’ a ‘BOGOF’ two-for-one fire sale of NHS buildings and land to private developers at knock-down prices. The plan will also charge hospital trusts millions if they don’t want to sell.

Every vote for a tory is a vote for the end of the NHS.  Be under no illusion what it is you're choosing if you vote for her.  You are a moron if you don't realise it by now, that loathesome bint is going to ruin this country and make a tidy profit for her rich donor friends in the process.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: joebrook on May 30, 2017, 09:48:54 PM
Ever since she called for an election, The Labour party has been doing so well in the opinion polls that have been conducted but I don't think Corbyn is the right guy to lead the Labour Party.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on May 30, 2017, 10:03:41 PM
To Mrs may you have many a people who have put their trust in you so please don't let us down..
Truth goes a long way..

And the truth is out.  The vile cunt plans on pissing away £10 Billion of public money to expedite a mass firesale of public NHS assets to private owners (https://skwawkbox.org/2017/05/30/may-loves-naylorreport-everyone-must-seeshare-video-ge17-nhs/).

Any gormless fuckwit who still thinks the NHS is safe in the tories' hands needs to read this and watch the video now (https://skwawkbox.org/2017/05/30/may-loves-naylorreport-everyone-must-seeshare-video-ge17-nhs/)

Quote
During her TV interview with Andrew Neil last week, Theresa May repeated her usual nonsense ad nauseam, but when asked about Tory plans for the NHS, she only talked about The Naylor Report.

May admits that implementing the Naylor Report will cost ten billion pounds – but she makes it sound like this is additional government investment in the NHS.

It is not – it’s £10bn of our money that Mrs May intends to spend on ‘accelerating’ a ‘BOGOF’ two-for-one fire sale of NHS buildings and land to private developers at knock-down prices. The plan will also charge hospital trusts millions if they don’t want to sell.

Every vote for a tory is a vote for the end of the NHS.  Be under no illusion what it is you're choosing if you vote for her.  You are a moron if you don't realise it by now, that loathesome bint is going to ruin this country and make a tidy profit for her rich donor friends in the process.
Any gormless fuckwit who still thinks the NHS is safe in the tories' hands  :D :D..

Not as bad as the fuckwits who think we can keep an NHS and have free movement ;)..
We will be paying for the NHS and nothing else or we be waiting 6 months to see a doctor ..
Could be dead by then..

Free movement means people coming just to use NHS because the cost in there countries are to high..
means I PAY FOR IT OUT MY TAXES..
means more debt for our future children..

VOTE LABOUR..And we will be the next GREECE ..

Why is Greece poor?..To much giving with not enough work done..
open door immigration we will be giving to the WHOLE WORLD..

Plus he wants to get rid of our NUKES :o :o..

Plus he as no idea how he will pay to give the whole world free education free healthcare free home..
GOOD LUCK..



Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on May 30, 2017, 10:13:19 PM
I am thinking of voting labour for the free education ..
Because i don't think it's right to put a child in debt over an education..

Say my child doesn't get a job in the subject she chose in university and she gets a job over 21k even though it's not what she studied for my child still has to pay it back if she is on 21k..

I think that is so unfair ..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on May 30, 2017, 10:20:27 PM
We must agree that all over the world we have been getting robbed by all politicians for many many years..
We should do this to them all..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLEdahn7DWc

Joke by the way..THROW AN EGG :D


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on May 30, 2017, 10:30:42 PM
To Mrs may you have many a people who have put their trust in you so please don't let us down..
Truth goes a long way..

And the truth is out.  The vile cunt plans on pissing away £10 Billion of public money to expedite a mass firesale of public NHS assets to private owners (https://skwawkbox.org/2017/05/30/may-loves-naylorreport-everyone-must-seeshare-video-ge17-nhs/).

Any gormless fuckwit who still thinks the NHS is safe in the tories' hands needs to read this and watch the video now (https://skwawkbox.org/2017/05/30/may-loves-naylorreport-everyone-must-seeshare-video-ge17-nhs/)

Quote
During her TV interview with Andrew Neil last week, Theresa May repeated her usual nonsense ad nauseam, but when asked about Tory plans for the NHS, she only talked about The Naylor Report.

May admits that implementing the Naylor Report will cost ten billion pounds – but she makes it sound like this is additional government investment in the NHS.

It is not – it’s £10bn of our money that Mrs May intends to spend on ‘accelerating’ a ‘BOGOF’ two-for-one fire sale of NHS buildings and land to private developers at knock-down prices. The plan will also charge hospital trusts millions if they don’t want to sell.

Every vote for a tory is a vote for the end of the NHS.  Be under no illusion what it is you're choosing if you vote for her.  You are a moron if you don't realise it by now, that loathesome bint is going to ruin this country and make a tidy profit for her rich donor friends in the process.
Any gormless fuckwit who still thinks the NHS is safe in the tories' hands  :D :D..

Not as bad as the fuckwits who think we can keep an NHS and have free movement ;)..
We will be paying for the NHS and nothing else or we be waiting 6 months to see a doctor ..
Could be dead by then..

Free movement means people coming just to use NHS because the cost in there countries are to high..
means I PAY FOR IT OUT MY TAXES..
means more debt for our future children..

Ah, yes, the usual popcorn1 claims about scary foreigners, which are, as usual, demonstrably untrue if you bothered to do any fact checking (https://fullfact.org/health/health-tourism-whats-cost/).  The NHS is perfectly affordable if the tories stop giving all the money away to billionaires and funded it correctly.  May has said in no uncertain terms that she's selling it off.  If you still vote for her after that, there's something wrong with you.  

You'll still be paying your taxes, but you won't be getting any public services in return because they'll be gone and then you can look forward to paying out more money each and every time your family need private medical help.  

Please keep telling us how Labour's plans are worse than that.  I need a good laugh after how absolutely fucking depressing it is that you still can't understand the damage you're going to do if you let those verminous tories win.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: af_newbie on May 30, 2017, 10:30:58 PM
I am thinking of voting labour for the free education ..
Because i don't think it's right to put a child in debt over an education..

Say my child doesn't get a job in the subject she chose in university and she gets a job over 21k even though it's not what she studied for my child still has to pay it back if she is on 21k..

I think that is so unfair ..

Vote for anti-Islamic politician, if you don't, your grandchildren will be Muslim.

Reversing Islamization of the UK should be your ONLY priority.

Your best bet is the Conservative Party and work on/join grassroots anti-Islamist movement (or UK Independence Party).

Labour party will take to you to the cleaners.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Sithara007 on May 31, 2017, 06:36:30 AM
Vote for anti-Islamic politician, if you don't, your grandchildren will be Muslim.

There are no viable choices. The Labor party is the worst, but the Tories are not too far behind. Both are in for Muslim appeasement. And the UKIP is having hardly any chances in most of the regions, although they are very moderate.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: bitbust on May 31, 2017, 11:28:34 AM
May and the Tories are losing ground in the polls, but there's not that much time left to the vote to sway people who still haven't made up their mind. In any way whatever happens on the 8th reversing the Islamisation of the UK is something that likely won't happen and people can only hope to slow it down to less uncontrollable rates.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Xester on May 31, 2017, 12:03:23 PM
The problem with corrupt politicians is that they are always winning the election. People kept voting for them and that is why they have extended their rule and enjoy spending the governments money. Hoping the upcoming election the voice of the people will speak against corruption and will vote for good political candidates. The only problem left is that almost all politicians who run for government service are all corrupt. UK is doomed.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: matuson on May 31, 2017, 12:16:46 PM
The problem with corrupt politicians is that they are always winning the election. People kept voting for them and that is why they have extended their rule and enjoy spending the governments money. Hoping the upcoming election the voice of the people will speak against corruption and will vote for good political candidates. The only problem left is that almost all politicians who run for government service are all corrupt. UK is doomed.
People have no choice. Policy it is the clan which transmits power to the one, and then they change places. The people themselves are to blame. They vote for nice wrapper without even thinking about why people put their money into the presentation. Then a politician comes to power and returns the money with a profit. Is born and corruption. The existing policy is a barrel of shit. In the election of their mixed and those who swam at the top lay on the bottom until the next election. And constantly have to choose from the same barrel.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on May 31, 2017, 12:32:23 PM
To Mrs may you have many a people who have put their trust in you so please don't let us down..
Truth goes a long way..

And the truth is out.  The vile cunt plans on pissing away £10 Billion of public money to expedite a mass firesale of public NHS assets to private owners (https://skwawkbox.org/2017/05/30/may-loves-naylorreport-everyone-must-seeshare-video-ge17-nhs/).

Any gormless fuckwit who still thinks the NHS is safe in the tories' hands needs to read this and watch the video now (https://skwawkbox.org/2017/05/30/may-loves-naylorreport-everyone-must-seeshare-video-ge17-nhs/)

Quote
During her TV interview with Andrew Neil last week, Theresa May repeated her usual nonsense ad nauseam, but when asked about Tory plans for the NHS, she only talked about The Naylor Report.

May admits that implementing the Naylor Report will cost ten billion pounds – but she makes it sound like this is additional government investment in the NHS.

It is not – it’s £10bn of our money that Mrs May intends to spend on ‘accelerating’ a ‘BOGOF’ two-for-one fire sale of NHS buildings and land to private developers at knock-down prices. The plan will also charge hospital trusts millions if they don’t want to sell.

Every vote for a tory is a vote for the end of the NHS.  Be under no illusion what it is you're choosing if you vote for her.  You are a moron if you don't realise it by now, that loathesome bint is going to ruin this country and make a tidy profit for her rich donor friends in the process.
Any gormless fuckwit who still thinks the NHS is safe in the tories' hands  :D :D..

Not as bad as the fuckwits who think we can keep an NHS and have free movement ;)..
We will be paying for the NHS and nothing else or we be waiting 6 months to see a doctor ..
Could be dead by then..

Free movement means people coming just to use NHS because the cost in there countries are to high..
means I PAY FOR IT OUT MY TAXES..
means more debt for our future children..

Ah, yes, the usual popcorn1 claims about scary foreigners, which are, as usual, demonstrably untrue if you bothered to do any fact checking (https://fullfact.org/health/health-tourism-whats-cost/).  The NHS is perfectly affordable if the tories stop giving all the money away to billionaires and funded it correctly.  May has said in no uncertain terms that she's selling it off.  If you still vote for her after that, there's something wrong with you.  

You'll still be paying your taxes, but you won't be getting any public services in return because they'll be gone and then you can look forward to paying out more money each and every time your family need private medical help.  

Please keep telling us how Labour's plans are worse than that.  I need a good laugh after how absolutely fucking depressing it is that you still can't understand the damage you're going to do if you let those verminous tories win.
Ah, yes, the usual popcorn1 claims about scary foreigners, :D
Why are they scary?.

If you own a car and it has 5 seats in it     it's against the law to put more people in your car WHY?..

Same goes for football stadiums nightclubs WHY..Is it because the people are SCARY..?

Ok if we build a million homes and god knows how many schools every year to compensate for the immigration     then immigration not a problem..But will any party do it answer impossible ..

An immigrant who works on a farm picking stuff will not be worth a free home and a school place..
So any immigrant on low pay is not worth the CARROTS they pick..
They are worth it to the farmer    not to me the tax payer..

Statistics compiled by independent Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) paint a divided picture about the benefits of mass EU migration to the UK.

They show that migrants from the continent are more likely to be employed than British nationals, but that they are mostly filling low-skilled, low paid jobs.

In total 75 per cent of European migrants are in work - a figure which rises to 83 per cent for Eastern Europeans, compared to just 74 per cent of Britons.

As a result EU nationals claim less in unemployment benefits, like Jobseekers Allowance, than British people.

However, they are claiming more cash in tex credits and child benefit than UK nationals which is acting as a significant drain on the public purse.

The claims for child benefits are especially controversial, as many migrants send the cash straight back to children who are still living in their home country.

At the same time many are paying lower rates of tax than Britons because they are undercutting wages to take low paid jobs.

On average EU migrants earn £3 per hour less than British employees, working in low skilled sectors such as food processing and machinery operation.

They are also as likely as British-born people to live in social housing, although the researchers add that a higher proportion are privately renting.

I NEED TO BE OUT OF THE EU..Out ways anything else..
What will happen is we VOTE TORIES ..Get out the EU and if they do bad WE VOTE UKIP in 2022
And they will kick anyone out :D :D..

So that's my plan..

Now for the last bit of our talk about politics .

Please keep telling us how Labour's plans are worse than that.  I need a good laugh ..

WHAT PLANS DO LABOUR HAVE..?

I can say i will give you everything with no plans..

Bit like a DRUNKEN UNCLE when he is PISSED promises you the world next day
what are you talking about oh i was drunk ::) :'( :'(.. >:( >:(.. :D :D

Will labour do this AGAIN?..

'I'm afraid there is no money.' The letter I will regret for ever | Liam ...
https://www.theguardian.com › Opinion › Labour
9 May 2015 - Labour's Liam Byrne apologises for 'crass' 'there's no money' note ... As chief secretary, I spent bruising months negotiating £32bn of annual ... Of course, the Conservatives attacked us – though it was the timetable they eventually delivered. ... Into my head came the phrase I'd used to negotiate all those ...

David Cameron fury as Ed Balls says 'no money left' note was a joke ...
www.telegraph.co.uk › News › Politics › Ed Miliband
16 Apr 2015 - David Cameron fury as Ed Balls says 'no money left' note was a joke ... He said that the government subsequently spent "hundreds of ... they've not even balanced the books - it's going to take a Labour ... It is clear Labour has not learnt the lessons of the past and would do the same all over again - more

When I arrived at my desk on the very first day as chief secretary, I found a letter from the previous chief secretary to give me some advice, I assumed, on how I conduct myself over the months ahead.
"Unfortunately, when I opened it, it was a one-sentence letter which simply said 'Dear chief secretary, I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left,' which was honest but slightly less helpful advice than I had been expecting," he said...


LABOUR HAS NO PLANS..

And if you look the biggest tax thieves of all LABOUR..Tony blair Gordon brown..

NO I HAVE MADE MY MIND UP..Those 2 names just got me angry..
TORIES the NASTY party BUT at least my country safe..

LABOUR gives everything away to the world and has no idea how to make the money to do this..

And the worst of all is ALL THE ISLAM CRAZIES..Making our youth depressed .



Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on May 31, 2017, 12:47:57 PM
Mind you more terror attacks happen under the TORIES..
Hmm never thought about that..

The worst attacks happen under the Tories always ..

If it's not attack on the public purse it's attacks with terrorists..

Hmm they love to attack the poor don't they..

So fucking hard to choose >:(..
When i am thinking about the whole situation BOTH PARTIES ARE A JOKE..

I might not even vote the more i think about it..
Both will bring SHIT..

And she as been in charge of immigration anyways for 7 years and done nothing about it..



Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Okurkabinladin on May 31, 2017, 01:34:43 PM
To Mrs may you have many a people who have put their trust in you so please don't let us down..
Truth goes a long way..

And the truth is out.  The vile cunt plans on pissing away £10 Billion of public money to expedite a mass firesale of public NHS assets to private owners (https://skwawkbox.org/2017/05/30/may-loves-naylorreport-everyone-must-seeshare-video-ge17-nhs/).

Any gormless fuckwit who still thinks the NHS is safe in the tories' hands needs to read this and watch the video now (https://skwawkbox.org/2017/05/30/may-loves-naylorreport-everyone-must-seeshare-video-ge17-nhs/)

Quote
During her TV interview with Andrew Neil last week, Theresa May repeated her usual nonsense ad nauseam, but when asked about Tory plans for the NHS, she only talked about The Naylor Report.

May admits that implementing the Naylor Report will cost ten billion pounds – but she makes it sound like this is additional government investment in the NHS.

It is not – it’s £10bn of our money that Mrs May intends to spend on ‘accelerating’ a ‘BOGOF’ two-for-one fire sale of NHS buildings and land to private developers at knock-down prices. The plan will also charge hospital trusts millions if they don’t want to sell.

Every vote for a tory is a vote for the end of the NHS.  Be under no illusion what it is you're choosing if you vote for her.  You are a moron if you don't realise it by now, that loathesome bint is going to ruin this country and make a tidy profit for her rich donor friends in the process.

Thanks. We rather stick with thiefs, than Sharia police, you can have that and more in your french paradise, now that Macron declared jihad against evil polish Gastarbeiters.

http://www.thenews.pl/92fc1f36-7a61-472c-ae32-4b5ad29defb6.file (http://www.thenews.pl/92fc1f36-7a61-472c-ae32-4b5ad29defb6.file)

That Corbyn bastard actually supports palestinian Hamas, even went as far as giving his regards to dead palestinian bomber.

In the wake of Manchester massacre, that takes balls of cancer...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/28/jeremy-corbyn-criticised-labour-election-candidates-wreath-laying/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/28/jeremy-corbyn-criticised-labour-election-candidates-wreath-laying/)

My british friends, you know better than me, if Ms. May is fine or not. However, I dont see alternative to her at this moment. With labour being controlled by a criminal madman, its basically choice between lesser evil.

Islamic gulags or theft as usual?


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on May 31, 2017, 02:17:36 PM
To Mrs may you have many a people who have put their trust in you so please don't let us down..
Truth goes a long way..

And the truth is out.  The vile cunt plans on pissing away £10 Billion of public money to expedite a mass firesale of public NHS assets to private owners (https://skwawkbox.org/2017/05/30/may-loves-naylorreport-everyone-must-seeshare-video-ge17-nhs/).

Any gormless fuckwit who still thinks the NHS is safe in the tories' hands needs to read this and watch the video now (https://skwawkbox.org/2017/05/30/may-loves-naylorreport-everyone-must-seeshare-video-ge17-nhs/)

Quote
During her TV interview with Andrew Neil last week, Theresa May repeated her usual nonsense ad nauseam, but when asked about Tory plans for the NHS, she only talked about The Naylor Report.

May admits that implementing the Naylor Report will cost ten billion pounds – but she makes it sound like this is additional government investment in the NHS.

It is not – it’s £10bn of our money that Mrs May intends to spend on ‘accelerating’ a ‘BOGOF’ two-for-one fire sale of NHS buildings and land to private developers at knock-down prices. The plan will also charge hospital trusts millions if they don’t want to sell.

Every vote for a tory is a vote for the end of the NHS.  Be under no illusion what it is you're choosing if you vote for her.  You are a moron if you don't realise it by now, that loathesome bint is going to ruin this country and make a tidy profit for her rich donor friends in the process.

Thanks. We rather stick with thiefs, than Sharia police, you can have that and more in your french paradise, now that Macron declared jihad against evil polish Gastarbeiters.

http://www.thenews.pl/92fc1f36-7a61-472c-ae32-4b5ad29defb6.file (http://www.thenews.pl/92fc1f36-7a61-472c-ae32-4b5ad29defb6.file)

That Corbyn bastard actually supports palestinian Hamas, even went as far as giving his regards to dead palestinian bomber.

In the wake of Manchester massacre, that takes balls of cancer...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/28/jeremy-corbyn-criticised-labour-election-candidates-wreath-laying/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/28/jeremy-corbyn-criticised-labour-election-candidates-wreath-laying/)

My british friends, you know better than me, if Ms. May is fine or not. However, I dont see alternative to her at this moment. With labour being controlled by a criminal madman, its basically choice between lesser evil.

Islamic gulags or theft as usual?
Thanks. We rather stick with thiefs, than Sharia police..BUT LOOK AT THIS :'( :'(..

Theresa May hails 'benefits' of Sharia as inquiry set up into 'misuse' of ...
www.telegraph.co.uk › News
26 May 2016 - Theresa May hails 'benefits' of Sharia as inquiry set up into 'misuse' of Islamic law. May Theresa May has set up an independent review into .

Katie Hopkins slams Theresa May over her 'support' for Sharia law ...
www.express.co.uk › News › UK
7 Jul 2016 - THERESA MAY'S belief that British people 'benefit' from Sharia drew a furious reaction from Katie Hopkins.

Theresa May Minces Words Over Free Movement And Sharia Law
www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/11/may-brexit-free-movement-sharia-law/
11 Jul 2016 - Theresa May stated that "Brexit means Brexit", but gave mealy-mouthed responses over free movement, and sharia law in Britain.

Which politician do i choose because all they do is line there own pockets first and throw the crumbs to the poor..

Privatise everything BUT they have a slice of the PIE when they privatise our public money..

Some things should be privatised BUT somethings shouldn't ..
And the Tories privatise everything because they get a cut of the proceeds .

SICK OF GREEDY POLITICIANS ..I HATE THEM..DESTROY OUR PLANET..

I need to choose a rat politician ....         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdeMkRCsbN0


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on May 31, 2017, 02:36:01 PM
Jeremy corbyn is the most trusted to do the right thing in life for our peoples ..
BUT he is so stupid be like taking candy from a baby..

Jeremy corbyn if you left the EU lowered immigration i would vote for you 100%
you would be the perfect labour leader ..

Because i trust you to try to do the right thing ..
But it's like giving a keen guy a painting and decorating job and he as no idea how to do it..

He will have a good go BUT what will your home look like..

May cannot be trusted BUT will get us out of the EU means we have our own laws means she gets to make the law :'( :'( :'( :D :D..

HELP I NEED SOMEONE HELP ..

It's funny because with the INTERNET AGE we know so much about these politicians nowadays
it makes it very hard to choose..

Years ago so easy to sweep shit under the carpet..NOT NOW ;D ;D..NICE..

 


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap Election in June
Post by: valta4065 on May 31, 2017, 02:43:20 PM
Corrupt politicians urged to vote for brexit, and now do not know what decision to make. It seems to me that early elections is an attempt to shift responsibility for the consequences of brexit on the other.

Totally agreed here.

Problem is that anyone who would herit from this shit would have nothing but two choices:
-Stay out of the EU and godamn whatever they want to do it'll be hard
-Make a move back and stay in the EU but that would be a clear to say fuck to its own people...

Even if the decision wasn't very wise it was made from a democratic move.
The only real possibility to stop that would be another one ^^


Title: Re: UK PM Calls For Snap Election in June
Post by: popcorn1 on May 31, 2017, 03:35:13 PM
Corrupt politicians urged to vote for brexit, and now do not know what decision to make. It seems to me that early elections is an attempt to shift responsibility for the consequences of brexit on the other.

Totally agreed here.

Problem is that anyone who would herit from this shit would have nothing but two choices:
-Stay out of the EU and godamn whatever they want to do it'll be hard
-Make a move back and stay in the EU but that would be a clear to say fuck to its own people...

Even if the decision wasn't very wise it was made from a democratic move.
The only real possibility to stop that would be another one ^^
You mean UKIP ?..

Wont change nothing not enough votes..
The only way i see is vote may and if she messes everything up we vote UKIP..

Labour the MATH don't add up..
Tories total liars to the poor I.E anyone who ain't got a few million..

But at least we be out of the EU..

Maybe one day we get the right leader to choose ..WISHFUL THINKING..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: shroomzcoin on May 31, 2017, 03:53:46 PM
people are forgetting what it was like at the end of labour and criticize conservative for making cuts, i was a nurse back in 2005 just before the country was spiraling into debt, not to mention the NHS. The debts were huge, overstaffed wards, people getting paid for nothing, my local trust plummeted into £200 million of debt within 2 years and labours mismanagement of funds caused this. They committed a standard of care that was not financially possible and it ruined the NHS, when conservative came in they had to hire outside accountants and finance companies to get the trusts paying the debt back, which had to involve cuts. All the debt we have today was started with labour, they spent money and gave it away like they had an infinite amount. Then at the end they had the audacity to leave stupid little notes saying "haha the money is all gone". They started the war in iraq and turned a few thousand al qaeda force, into a few million strong isis army with no toleration for anyone in the west. We have labour to thank for this again and jeremy corbyn wants to open our borders and continue letting people in without any back round checks, no proof of who they are, so we have more problems like the rotherham sex scandals, which also a labour mp is giving a character statement to reduce the sentence for a pedophile. I dont like conservative but labour will never get my vote again, they have never apologized for the problems they caused and only insult conservatives for having the clean up the mess labour created. If only the lib dems had a decent leader or a party that spoke sense, i'll probably just not vote, or vote conservative to try stop the despicable act tactical voting.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on May 31, 2017, 04:30:49 PM
people are forgetting what it was like at the end of labour and criticize conservative for making cuts, i was a nurse back in 2005 just before the country was spiraling into debt, not to mention the NHS. The debts were huge, overstaffed wards, people getting paid for nothing, my local trust plummeted into £200 million of debt within 2 years and labours mismanagement of funds caused this. They committed a standard of care that was not financially possible and it ruined the NHS, when conservative came in they had to hire outside accountants and finance companies to get the trusts paying the debt back, which had to involve cuts. All the debt we have today was started with labour, they spent money and gave it away like they had an infinite amount. Then at the end they had the audacity to leave stupid little notes saying "haha the money is all gone". They started the war in iraq and turned a few thousand al qaeda force, into a few million strong isis army with no toleration for anyone in the west. We have labour to thank for this again and jeremy corbyn wants to open our borders and continue letting people in without any back round checks, no proof of who they are, so we have more problems like the rotherham sex scandals, which also a labour mp is giving a character statement to reduce the sentence for a pedophile. I dont like conservative but labour will never get my vote again, they have never apologized for the problems they caused and only insult conservatives for having the clean up the mess labour created. If only the lib dems had a decent leader or a party that spoke sense, i'll probably just not vote, or vote conservative to try stop the despicable act tactical voting.
Sex scandals  :o  i was looking on google last night and this popped up ..

Missing Blackpool girl, 14, abused, murdered and 'sliced up for kebabs'
www.dailystar.co.uk › News › Latest News
2 Nov 2013 - POLICE have reopened a probe into the death of a teenager who vanished amid fears she was sexually abused and made into kebabs.

was murdered and chopped up at a kebab restaurant - Daily Mail
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Murder-squad-detectives-issue-CCTV-killers-girl-14-murdered-...
1 Nov 2016 - Charlene Downes disappeared from Blackpool on November 1, 2003; New CCTV images ... The court heard her body was chopped up and had 'gone into kebabs' ... Detectives investigating the disappearance of a teenage girl have released new ...


I thinks i will not be eating KEBABS ANYMORE  :D..

I have always voted labour not this time it hurts to vote TORIES   but i may have to so we can have some sort of control over our lives ..

And you was a nurse so you know what your talking about..
BUT harold shipman was a doctor :D :D :D..




Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: shroomzcoin on May 31, 2017, 08:49:36 PM
people are forgetting what it was like at the end of labour and criticize conservative for making cuts, i was a nurse back in 2005 just before the country was spiraling into debt, not to mention the NHS. The debts were huge, overstaffed wards, people getting paid for nothing, my local trust plummeted into £200 million of debt within 2 years and labours mismanagement of funds caused this. They committed a standard of care that was not financially possible and it ruined the NHS, when conservative came in they had to hire outside accountants and finance companies to get the trusts paying the debt back, which had to involve cuts. All the debt we have today was started with labour, they spent money and gave it away like they had an infinite amount. Then at the end they had the audacity to leave stupid little notes saying "haha the money is all gone". They started the war in iraq and turned a few thousand al qaeda force, into a few million strong isis army with no toleration for anyone in the west. We have labour to thank for this again and jeremy corbyn wants to open our borders and continue letting people in without any back round checks, no proof of who they are, so we have more problems like the rotherham sex scandals, which also a labour mp is giving a character statement to reduce the sentence for a pedophile. I dont like conservative but labour will never get my vote again, they have never apologized for the problems they caused and only insult conservatives for having the clean up the mess labour created. If only the lib dems had a decent leader or a party that spoke sense, i'll probably just not vote, or vote conservative to try stop the despicable act tactical voting.
Sex scandals  :o  i was looking on google last night and this popped up ..

Missing Blackpool girl, 14, abused, murdered and 'sliced up for kebabs'
www.dailystar.co.uk › News › Latest News
2 Nov 2013 - POLICE have reopened a probe into the death of a teenager who vanished amid fears she was sexually abused and made into kebabs.

was murdered and chopped up at a kebab restaurant - Daily Mail
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Murder-squad-detectives-issue-CCTV-killers-girl-14-murdered-...
1 Nov 2016 - Charlene Downes disappeared from Blackpool on November 1, 2003; New CCTV images ... The court heard her body was chopped up and had 'gone into kebabs' ... Detectives investigating the disappearance of a teenage girl have released new ...


I thinks i will not be eating KEBABS ANYMORE  :D..

I have always voted labour not this time it hurts to vote TORIES   but i may have to so we can have some sort of control over our lives ..

And you was a nurse so you know what your talking about..
BUT harold shipman was a doctor :D :D :D..




But you wont have any control over labour, in fact it will only get worse. Labour cannot grasp economics, capitalism or how the world works, they are happy to see the uk to plunge into debt and millions left without jobs just to prove their point. Just look at their top policies, £10 an minimum wage, we will no longer have a service industry, all call centres will close, even going down to local cafes, how will they pay the extra 20% wage? Then there is the corporation tax on top, oh and not lets forget about the fat cat tax, oh and increased taxes all round for businesses. Then when the figures are looked at by impartial economists are proved they are not financially possible. So labour want all our service industries gone, about 20% of the workforce unemployed as that is all the employers will do when they have to pay 20% extra wages just get rid of 20% of workforce or move it abroad. Oh and the end of zero hour contracts, which many businesses need to survive, for busy periods and extra large orders. So a large percentage of the zero hour contract works will be immediately let go and will have to sign on. Then when you have applied all of these taxes which businesses do you think we keep their head offices in this country? they will all move to somewhere cheaper. Foreign investment will grind to a halt as noone will want to open a company in the uk with the worlds highest taxes. Then the amount of businesses that simply wont be able to afford the changes, which will be a large part things like pubs, clubs, cafes, corner shops. These businesses are just struggling by now, how are they going to afford 20% extra wages, business tax, and general tax raise, they wont and all we will get after are stupid little snide notes from labour saying "haha the money is all gone"


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Sithara007 on June 01, 2017, 05:37:39 AM
The problem with corrupt politicians is that they are always winning the election. People kept voting for them and that is why they have extended their rule and enjoy spending the governments money. Hoping the upcoming election the voice of the people will speak against corruption and will vote for good political candidates. The only problem left is that almost all politicians who run for government service are all corrupt. UK is doomed.

Corruption is less prevalent in the United Kingdom, when compared to the other nations. The major issue is that, the establishment political parties (Labor, Tories, and the Liberal Democrats) all favor replacing the native British population with the immigrant Muslims.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 01, 2017, 05:55:04 PM
TO THE YOUTH

VOTE LABOUR..

VOTE LABOUR..

EDUCATION EDUCATION FREE FREE FREE..

No debt hanging over your heads ..
If labour fail RICH and POOR will have to pay it back..

Your not alone..WE ARE NOT ALONE ;D

Tories say cuts cuts cuts..

CUTS TO WHO ..THIS?

Britain spends almost as much on foreign aid as it does on Wales
https://www.thesun.co.uk/.../britain-set-to-spend-more-on-foreign-aid-than-on-entire-wa...
6 Apr 2017 - Spending on Wales stood at £13.5billion in 2016, while foreign aid spending soared .

NO THE TORIES Would rather make our own people suffer..
Plus think about this SHE WAS IN CHARGE OF IMMIGRATION..7 Years she was in charge..

Now you think you cut the foreign aid before cutting your own people money?..

Or does the foreign aid really GET STOLEN by our greedy politicians and the cronies?..
SURE LOOKS THAT WAY..

What we give about 2 billion the rest gets STOLEN..<Maybe
Must be because they rather our own people suffer?..

AND WE PAY THIS ..

£93bn of corporate welfare? What nonsense | FT Data - Blogs
blogs.ft.com › Comment › Blogs › FT Data
28 Sep 2015 - First of all, the very concept of “corporate welfare” is tricky and ... This sounds more sensible – after all, Serco's total UK revenues for 2014 were ..


AND ALL TO GIVE SOME GREEDY PERSON MORE MONEY...WHY?..

Because the politicians get payed by these people..
And some of them even make there spouse a politician to get what they WANT..

GREEDY HUMANS..^^^..

Don't get me wrong some really nice people who have plenty of cash..
VERY CHARITABLE ^^^..

VOTE LABOUR ..Get YOUR EDUCATION FOR FREE..

Makes no difference WE ARE THE UK and we will one day tell our DEBT collectors to FUCK OFF..
WE THE UK ARE IN DEBT...PISS OFF..

WE ARE PREDATORS ..And we will kill to take it back if we fall foul to DEBT COLLECTORS..

I.E The people who lend countries money..The UK will tell you to FUCK OFF..
And we will have a war to get what we want back..

HUMAN SPECIES..PREDATORS^^^..COUNTRY going to war because they are poor <predators..
And the UK is famous for it.. :D :D..

Well just think a universal income could stop the future madness..

OH and ROBOTS..

People in the bedrooms will make EMP and wipe any robot out..
Just in case the RICH think they get a robot to protect them :D :D :D..

Or the poor little GENIUS make a ROBOT to smash your robots to bits..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on June 01, 2017, 06:13:09 PM
Labour cannot grasp economics, capitalism or how the world works, they are happy to see the uk to plunge into debt and millions left without jobs just to prove their point.

We're already plunging into debt if you hadn't noticed.  Just because the tories keep bleating on about the absurd notion that they know what the hell they're playing at, doesn't mean they actually do.  The UK is officially the worst-performing advanced economy in the world (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-worst-performing-advanced-economy-world-post-brexit-slump-election-pound-sterling-a7766286.html).  Millions without jobs isn't vastly different to millions coerced into zero-hour contracts which are about as profitable as not having a job at all.  The tories can't grasp economics, only the theft of things that don't belong to them.  They might as well claim that the NHS fell off the back of a lorry in their haste to flog it at bargain basement prices.


£10 an minimum wage, we will no longer have a service industry, all call centres will close

I work in a call centre and can confirm this is just speculation.  With the Q1 profits they announced, they can definitely afford it, even with a workforce of over 300 people (although I'm sure they'd take the opportunity to reduce commission if the base pay is higher, so I probably won't see much difference anyway).


Then there is the corporation tax on top, oh and not lets forget about the fat cat tax, oh and increased taxes all round for businesses.

Corporation tax doesn't seem like a huge issue if you compare it with other countries:

http://www.wearedecentralised.co.uk/corptax.jpg


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 01, 2017, 07:28:48 PM
VOTE LABOUR                     VOTE LABOUR ..

Do you want to be THIS?..How dare you put our youth in debt to line your own pockets ..

Student Loans: More Debt, More Defaults, More Problems - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p0HyjtfaMg



Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: protokol on June 01, 2017, 09:22:41 PM
While I do think the Labour party is in a bit of a shambles at the moment, I think we should do everything we can to try and get the Tories out right now. So I will be tactically voting Labour in the election even though I don't agree with all their policies.

I mean the Tories are basically in bed with big business, and obviously don't care about the young, poor people of the country. Not to mention their archaic views on encryption, surveillance and recreational drug use. I'm honestly baffled that so many people on a bitcoin forum support them, when Bitcoin is all about freedom from this type of regulation and nanny-state bullshit.

I'm not saying Labour are perfect, but they're a step forwards, whereas keeping that cyborg Theresa fucking May in charge is a step back.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 01, 2017, 09:53:34 PM
While I do think the Labour party is in a bit of a shambles at the moment, I think we should do everything we can to try and get the Tories out right now. So I will be tactically voting Labour in the election even though I don't agree with all their policies.

I mean the Tories are basically in bed with big business, and obviously don't care about the young, poor people of the country. Not to mention their archaic views on encryption, surveillance and recreational drug use. I'm honestly baffled that so many people on a bitcoin forum support them, when Bitcoin is all about freedom from this type of regulation and nanny-state bullshit.

I'm not saying Labour are perfect, but they're a step forwards, whereas keeping that cyborg Theresa fucking May in charge is a step back.
I'm honestly baffled that so many people on a bitcoin forum support them..

With the price of bitcoin they have now turned into ASS HOLES :D :D..

So you gone from paper rich ass holes to btc rich ass holes..
But in the end they become RICH ASS HOLES..

So as BITCOIN SAVED ANYONE?..Not really you just past 1 form of rich to another STILL ASS HOLES..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Sithara007 on June 02, 2017, 03:46:04 AM
£10 an minimum wage, we will no longer have a service industry, all call centres will close

I work in a call centre and can confirm this is just speculation.  With the Q1 profits they announced, they can definitely afford it, even with a workforce of over 300 people (although I'm sure they'd take the opportunity to reduce commission if the base pay is higher, so I probably won't see much difference anyway).

Call centers in the Philippines pay around £2 per hour for their workers, and the quality is almost equal to those within the United Kingdom. In addition to that the taxes are also lower in the Philippines. It is just a matter of time, before the "great flight" begins.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on June 03, 2017, 09:55:11 PM
Despite starting with a 21 point gap in the polls, it might now be down to just a single point between the two leading parties (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-election-poll-icm-idUSKBN18U0U5) according to the latest polls.  With less than a week to go, many are now predicting a hung parliament, with no single party achieving a decisive majority.  

The only reason the tories called the election was because they thought it was a done deal and they could potentially increase their majority, but now it's likely they're actually going to lose seats.  Also, a tory MP has finally been charged with election fraud (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-election-fraud-craig-mackinlay-south-thanet-mp-candidate-nigel-farage-tory-charge-cps-a7768596.html), accused of falsely declaring expenses in the previous election.  Took the CPS long enough, but at least it will hopefully ruin his campaign.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: shroomzcoin on June 04, 2017, 09:27:53 AM
£10 an minimum wage, we will no longer have a service industry, all call centres will close

I work in a call centre and can confirm this is just speculation.  With the Q1 profits they announced, they can definitely afford it, even with a workforce of over 300 people (although I'm sure they'd take the opportunity to reduce commission if the base pay is higher, so I probably won't see much difference anyway).

Call centers in the Philippines pay around £2 per hour for their workers, and the quality is almost equal to those within the United Kingdom. In addition to that the taxes are also lower in the Philippines. It is just a matter of time, before the "great flight" begins.

I think they are higher quality actually, but yeah i give it 1 year if labour wins before all the major companies move their head offices out of the uk and stop paying any tax to the uk at all, i know i'll be closing my business and just running it off the books, will also be having to fire my apprentice, he's due to be qualified this summer and i was going to offer him a job after, but if the wages are going to £10 i simply cant afford it. And to the other guy, i can afford to shop in house of fraiser, but i dont as i would spend most my money, just like these companies, they could pay the extra wages, or just move to somewhere like the Philippines and save 80%, i know what i would choose if i owned any big business, after all the tax and ni contributions also go up 20%, they wont pay it. It will be easier, cheaper, better service for moving it abroad, while having to deal with less taxes, less regulation, less working laws, and the joy for having all this extra freedom, 50% reduced operating costs, the great company migration will start soon, you will have seen nothing like it before


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Qartada on June 04, 2017, 09:37:49 AM
Despite starting with a 21 point gap in the polls, it might now be down to just a single point between the two leading parties (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-election-poll-icm-idUSKBN18U0U5) according to the latest polls.  Many are now predicting a hung parliament, with no single party achieving a decisive majority. 
Labour have pulled off a top-notch election campaign and Corbyn's vote share will undoubtedly be higher than Miliband's pathetic 30% or so in 2015 which would stop people from avoiding voting Labour because they're "unelectable"...

That said, it's far too easy to overestimate the number of young people which will actually go and vote.  The Tories' vote share tend to be more "reliable" voters so to speak, and they've just received a big boost from UKIP (expelled Tories who were too evil even for them).  Labour's vote share could be pushed either side of the margin of error.

Quote from: DooMAD
The only reason the tories called the election was because they thought it was a done deal and they could potentially increase their majority, but now it's likely they're actually going to lose seats.  Also, a tory MP has finally been charged with election fraud (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-election-fraud-craig-mackinlay-south-thanet-mp-candidate-nigel-farage-tory-charge-cps-a7768596.html), accused of falsely declaring expenses in the previous election.  Took the CPS long enough, but at least it will hopefully ruin his campaign.
The entire Conservative Party should be fucked from these electoral fraud allegations, but it looks like they're managing to cling on without enough publicity even happening due to the bastards in the Murdoch press and Daily Mail.  I don't think it'll have too much of an impact for now.

If you vote for any party other than Tories you will be supporting Islamists.

Everyone who is not Muslim MUST vote Tories.  There is no other party to slow down the Islamization.


Yeah, the Iraq, Syria and Libya wars have done so much to help stem the flow of terrorism haven't they?  The West have been so altruistic when pointlessly switching sides and fighting everyone at once, haven't they?  Don't try to convince yourself that 1.6 billion people are terrorists, which is clearly what you mean by "Islamization".

Do you even know what Muslims coming to the West as refugees are running away from?  It's a mixture of terrorism against them from "Muslims" (since the biggest victims of terrorism are Muslims by far), and terrorism from the West.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on June 04, 2017, 10:06:53 AM
If you vote for any party other than Tories you will be supporting Islamists.

Everyone who is not Muslim MUST vote Tories.  There is no other party to slow down the Islamization.

I can only assume you weren't paying attention earlier in the thread when I was explaining to popcorn1 how the tories' record is on immigration is apparently a figment of your vivid imagination.  The reality doesn't even bear the slightest resemblance to the picture you paint.  I'm completely indifferent to the "issue", but if you're one of those intolerant types who can't handle a little diversity, May definitely isn't your preferred candidate:

And before you decide to start waffling on about immigration again, because I know you can't help it, you should know that when Theresa May was Home Secretary, she ended up overseeing the biggest migration surge in UK history (http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/dont-believe-right-wing-immigration-lies.html):

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Do you know which home secretary oversaw the highest levels of net migration in UK history?

It was Theresa May, who in 2010 promised the electorate that she would cut net migration to below 100,000, but instead allowed the biggest inwards migration surge in history, with net migration peaking at a huge 336,000 shortly before she was appointed as Prime Minister by her Tory chums.

You might be inclined to disbelieve me because you haven't heard much about this in the media, but there are reasons you haven't heard it. Last year, under pressure from Theresa May's allies in the Tory party the Daily Telegraph spiked an excoriating article about Theresa May's track record at the Home Office.

There are people who really don't want you to know how badly Theresa May handled the immigration situation when it was her remit, and they're the same kind of people who spread lies and misrepresentations about Labour's immigration policies too aren't they?

Theresa May's immigration policy is arbitrary and stupid

Politicians plucking arbitrary numbers out of thin air and making that number their golden objective is as old as the hills. Tony Blair and Gordon Brown did it with their ridiculous 3% borrowing golden rule (you know the rule that drove the expansion of rip-off PFI economic alchemy schemes and was quickly jettisoned to lob £billions at the insolvent "too big to fail" banks).

Theresa May's 100,000 target wasn't just an arbitrary and ridiculous objective that drove lamentable policies, she ended up overseeing the biggest migration surge in UK history.

Two of the dreadful policies Theresa May introduced to try to repress immigration ended up driving away economically beneficial migrants like university students and tens of thousands of non-EU citizens who are married to UK citizens,

Driving away university students in order to juke the immigration statistics has seriously harmed UK universities because foreign students are a massive net benefit to the UK economy. International students contribute £25 billion to the UK economy and support some 200,000 jobs.

Using discriminatory rules to force tens of thousands of British families into exile because one of the adults is a non-EU citizen is also ridiculous. Only an intense bigot would try to argue that migrants who are married to a British citizen are the kind of people the government should be clamping down on. If they're married to a Brit they're highly likely to speak English, assimilate well into British culture, work and pay tax in the UK, and stay here instead of taking their earnings out of the country to return to their country of origin like a lot of migrant workers do.

Despite cruelly wrecking the lives of tens of thousands of families and damaging UK universities with her dreadfully ill-considered immigration policies Theresa May still missed her arbitrary 100,000 target by miles, becoming the Home Secretary who let in more migrants than any other Home Secretary in history!

She set a stupid arbitrary target, introduced terrible policies to try to achieve it, and spectacularly failed by her own measure of success.

https://i2.wp.com/voxpoliticalonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/170508-Theresa-May-on-Immigration-Morten-Morland.jpg?resize=529%2C382

What people tend to forget is that 'trickle down economics' is an insipid lie.  Money flows from the poorest at the bottom of the pyramid up to the wealthiest at the top.  The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, so immigration is a useful tool for those who worship the neoliberal doctrine to import some fresh debt-slaves once you've completely drained the existing ones.  Despite the tories' numerous claims to the contrary, they have absolutely no interest in curbing immigration.  There's money to steal and they need as many people as possible to feed into the machine.  But they also blame the migrants for the fact that there's no money, despite the fact that migrants aren't to blame.

Plus, as others have already pointed out, the war-mongering tories aren't exactly going to bring stability to the world stage when they're too busy exporting arms to Syria, Saudi Arabia and anywhere else it might be profitable.  Even if there are consequences to pay later.  Not to mention being more than happy to play lap-dog to Trump in bombing anywhere and everywhere that absolutely doesn't need any further escalation of tensions.  Each person you kill on foreign soil exponentially increases the risk of a bereaved and pissed off family member becoming radicalised and committing an atrocity closer to home.  And you're stupid enough to blame an religion of innocent bystanders when it's actually your own fault for openly encouraging that exact scenario to happen?  What the actual fuck is wrong with you?


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Nagadota on June 04, 2017, 12:42:33 PM
£10 an minimum wage, we will no longer have a service industry, all call centres will close

I work in a call centre and can confirm this is just speculation.  With the Q1 profits they announced, they can definitely afford it, even with a workforce of over 300 people (although I'm sure they'd take the opportunity to reduce commission if the base pay is higher, so I probably won't see much difference anyway).

Call centers in the Philippines pay around £2 per hour for their workers, and the quality is almost equal to those within the United Kingdom. In addition to that the taxes are also lower in the Philippines. It is just a matter of time, before the "great flight" begins.
And to the other guy, i can afford to shop in house of fraiser, but i dont as i would spend most my money, just like these companies, they could pay the extra wages, or just move to somewhere like the Philippines and save 80%
There will always be huge tax evasion/avoidance schemes, but UK corporation tax is one of the lowest in the G20 already.  Average corporation tax has been falling and falling as all countries, especially the UK, delude themselves into believing that companies will all just run off.  I don't know when it's going to happen but it sure hasn't yet.

Pretending that all Labour's plans are somehow unaffordable is ridiculous.  The Attlee government nationalised the coal industry, Bank of England, health service (created the NHS), electricity, cable and wireless networks, trains/rail, waterways, gas and the steel industry.  They even created zero unemployment, only had six years, and ran a surplus.

Why do people act like all these things are impractical today?


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Vishnu.Reang on June 04, 2017, 12:57:52 PM
If Corbyn becomes the Prime Minister, then it is going to be a disaster not just to the United Kingdom, but also to the whole world. After the election of Emmanuel Macron as the French president, we don't need another pro-ISIS figure heading a major European country.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: hoian0809 on June 04, 2017, 01:40:57 PM
What happened to there's no need to call a snap election and all that bullshit about creating instability? How things change like that.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 04, 2017, 01:55:59 PM
Despite starting with a 21 point gap in the polls, it might now be down to just a single point between the two leading parties (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-election-poll-icm-idUSKBN18U0U5) according to the latest polls.  Many are now predicting a hung parliament, with no single party achieving a decisive majority. 
Labour have pulled off a top-notch election campaign and Corbyn's vote share will undoubtedly be higher than Miliband's pathetic 30% or so in 2015 which would stop people from avoiding voting Labour because they're "unelectable"...

That said, it's far too easy to overestimate the number of young people which will actually go and vote.  The Tories' vote share tend to be more "reliable" voters so to speak, and they've just received a big boost from UKIP (expelled Tories who were too evil even for them).  Labour's vote share could be pushed either side of the margin of error.

Quote from: DooMAD
The only reason the tories called the election was because they thought it was a done deal and they could potentially increase their majority, but now it's likely they're actually going to lose seats.  Also, a tory MP has finally been charged with election fraud (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-election-fraud-craig-mackinlay-south-thanet-mp-candidate-nigel-farage-tory-charge-cps-a7768596.html), accused of falsely declaring expenses in the previous election.  Took the CPS long enough, but at least it will hopefully ruin his campaign.
The entire Conservative Party should be fucked from these electoral fraud allegations, but it looks like they're managing to cling on without enough publicity even happening due to the bastards in the Murdoch press and Daily Mail.  I don't think it'll have too much of an impact for now.

If you vote for any party other than Tories you will be supporting Islamists.

Everyone who is not Muslim MUST vote Tories.  There is no other party to slow down the Islamization.


Theresa May hails 'benefits' of Sharia as inquiry set up into 'misuse' of ...
www.telegraph.co.uk › News
26 May 2016 - Theresa May hails 'benefits' of Sharia as inquiry set up into 'misuse' of Islamic law. May Theresa May has set up an independent review into .

Under the Tories we have terror in our land ..
Under labour we have none..

Now to me it looks like the London elite like to play games with the poor ..

They want more terror so they have an excuse to watch us all ..
I don't no why they don't just say we want to stick a bug up every ones ass..

So the ELITE can rob our taxes and be protected because they know we know we are getting ROBBED by the London ELITE..

Always more police in LONDON always more of everything in London..

I think to myself the only thing London needs is a big wall around it and they can play the
HUNGER GAMES with the poor peoples.. :D

THE TORIES ARE RATS..

They lie lie lie lie lie ..And tell everyone OH yes we are putting money into this.. ::)

BAD LIARS..THE NASTY PARTY..

Theresa may was in charge of immigration FOR 7 YEARS ..
And under the TORIES we have had many many terror attacks..

This is who is in power tell me the difference ..

Harry Enfield - Tim Nice But Dim (Armed Robbery) - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1f8UOWF4RY


AND HIS TWIN BROTHER..

Boris Johnson gets stuck on a zip wire (long version) - YouTube
Video for boris johnson flips out youtube▶ 1:28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hRwnXmdRCo


Boris Johnson nearly shoves Labour's campaign chief to the floor ...
Video for boris johnson▶
www.mirror.co.uk › News › Politics › Boris Johnson
22 hours ago
Boris Johnson called Labour's campaign chief a "big girl's blouse" before nearly shoving him to the floor . :D :D :D :D..


THIS IS ALL THE LONDON ELITE PLAYING GAMES..

You don't BOMB A NATION and invite the enemy to your lands and then give them no money..

MANY MANY ISLAMS threw into a little town to be forgotten ..

But they don't forget ..Your Bombing there native lands PLUS making them suffer with no good job..

And the government KNOWS QUITE WELL if you put that together WE HAVE TROUBLE..

THESE RICH ELITE ..Are way to greedy..

ALSO RICHARD BRANSON..  You go on about pollution and saving the EARTH
IT'S YOU who is POLLUTING it the WORST you DOUGHNUT ..

You are flying around in your ROCKETS and planes and you own an ISLAND not a little home in a street using little electricity YOUR burning more FUEL than any FUCKER..

IT'S YOU ELITE who are the TERRORIST ..

You terrorise everyone for money or our taxes..



Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: criptix on June 04, 2017, 04:26:48 PM
Tories are pro muslim af_newbie.

And not all muslims are terrorist.

Sorry to pop your bubble :/


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Jet Cash on June 04, 2017, 05:16:21 PM
I wanted to vote for UKIP, but I don't have a candidate in my constituency.

May is a remainer who was appointed as a manchurian candidate.
Labour is in cloud fantasy land.
The greens are misguided and messing up the environment
The lib dems are another party that is divorced from reality

We voted for a clean Brexit, and nobody is prepared to give this to us. It seems every party wants to keep us in the Keiser Reich while it strips us of out assets, and then cast us out like Greece.

I making a protest vote for a small part with only 3 candidates, and which is unlikely to get more than a couple of hundred votes. If it gets over 1,000, then maybe that could be another wake up call to the politicians. I wanted to register the domain name polly-ticks.com, because they are all clockwork parrots.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: valta4065 on June 04, 2017, 06:04:32 PM
Tories are pro muslim af_newbie.

And not all muslims are terrorist.

Sorry to pop your bubble :/

They are better than the Labour party.  UKIP or EDL are much better choices to expel Muslims from the UK, but they will not win.
Right now Tories are the only option.  Conservatives in Canada, Republicans in the US.  Even if you are a democrat/liberal you should vote conservative/republican if
you care about your daughters being raped and your sons knifed to death.

Islamism and Jihadism should be criminalized.

Muslims can pray 10 times a day, nobody gives a fuck.  When they bring Sharia Law and want us to accept their values, we have a problem.



yeaaaaaaaaaaah
Let's all vote for the parties that bomb the Middle East!
It can't go wrong at all!!
Bomb the Middle East then close the borders! Nothing can go wrong here!


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on June 04, 2017, 08:57:41 PM
Jihadism should be criminalized.

Well it's not exactly legal, is it, you prat.   ::)


If British people elect the Labour party it would mean they either don't care or don't understand what is going on.

You don't understand what's going on.  The things the terrorists hate most are our freedom, democracy, tolerance, pluralism and decency.  It's nothing more than provocation on their part.  They want you to lower yourself to their level.  They're goading you into fighting on their terms.  They know that the more we try to tighten our grip, the more radicalised individuals we create.  They want you to abandon all the things that make us who we are to fight them.  Stop falling for it like an idiot.  Stop giving in.

For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking.  You're giving extremists exactly what they want, namely more extremism and further escalation.  You don't defeat terrorists by letting them win.

Try thinking it through to conclusion for a change.  There are ways to beat terrorism that don't include debasing your morals to the point that you're no better than they are.  Pity you're already there, though.  Just don't expect the rest of us to join you.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: criptix on June 04, 2017, 09:15:52 PM
Jihadism should be criminalized.

Well it's not exactly legal, is it, you prat.   ::)


If British people elect the Labour party it would mean they either don't care or don't understand what is going on.

You don't understand what's going on.  The things the terrorists hate most are our freedom, democracy, tolerance, pluralism and decency.  It's nothing more than provocation on their part.  They want you to lower yourself to their level.  They're goading you into fighting on their terms.  They know that the more we try to tighten our grip, the more radicalised individuals we create.  They want you to abandon all the things that make us who we are to fight them.  Stop falling for it like an idiot.  Stop giving in.

For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking.  You're giving extremists exactly what they want, namely more extremism and further escalation.  You don't defeat terrorists by letting them win.

Try thinking it through to conclusion for a change.  There are ways to beat terrorism that don't include debasing your morals to the point that you're no better than they are.  Pity you're already there, though.  Just don't expect the rest of us to join you.

What?? You dont fight terror with even greater terror???

Anyway good post but i doubt it will reach their brains.



Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 04, 2017, 09:22:31 PM
Jihadism should be criminalized.

Well it's not exactly legal, is it, you prat.   ::)


If British people elect the Labour party it would mean they either don't care or don't understand what is going on.

You don't understand what's going on.  The things the terrorists hate most are our freedom, democracy, tolerance, pluralism and decency.  It's nothing more than provocation on their part.  They want you to lower yourself to their level.  They're goading you into fighting on their terms.  They know that the more we try to tighten our grip, the more radicalised individuals we create.  They want you to abandon all the things that make us who we are to fight them.  Stop falling for it like an idiot.  Stop giving in.

For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking.  You're giving extremists exactly what they want, namely more extremism and further escalation.  You don't defeat terrorists by letting them win.

Try thinking it through to conclusion for a change.  There are ways to beat terrorism that don't include debasing your morals to the point that you're no better than they are.  Pity you're already there, though.  Just don't expect the rest of us to join you.
giving extremists exactly what they want,..YOUR RIGHT and we have been giving them what they want for..

1,400 Years of Islamic Aggression: An Analysis - CBN.com
www.cbn.com/spirituallife/.../understandingislam/IslamHistory0212.aspx
1,400 Years of Christian/Islamic Struggle: An Analysis ... The Muslim wars of imperialist conquest have been launched for almost 1,500 years .... the large numbers of Christians who have recently taken long pilgrimages in the footsteps of the ..


AND I DON'T LIVE THAT LONG..

So we have to have VIGILS every other month for the next 2000 more YEARS..

Because LOOK AT IRELAND ..They terrorised ENGLAND they didn't do to bad..

EVEN have a gay leader and HALF INDIAN..
So it seems YOUR WRONG..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 04, 2017, 09:31:19 PM
For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking..

Answer me this then..

They kill for 70 virgins and a river flowing with wine..
So why not go out and get pissed a fuck all the women you can try and get..

Some can go through a 1000 women SO THEY SAY :D..And you just go the off licence buy some booze
all the rivers of booze you want..

See how stupid they are ..

So you must get rid of stupid people like that..


Hay bob what are you doing I am blowing myself up to get duck eggs in heaven..
Well bob you can buy them in the supermarket ..



Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Nagadota on June 04, 2017, 09:31:49 PM
Despite starting with a 21 point gap in the polls, it might now be down to just a single point between the two leading parties (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-election-poll-icm-idUSKBN18U0U5) according to the latest polls.  Many are now predicting a hung parliament, with no single party achieving a decisive majority. 
Labour have pulled off a top-notch election campaign and Corbyn's vote share will undoubtedly be higher than Miliband's pathetic 30% or so in 2015 which would stop people from avoiding voting Labour because they're "unelectable"...

That said, it's far too easy to overestimate the number of young people which will actually go and vote.  The Tories' vote share tend to be more "reliable" voters so to speak, and they've just received a big boost from UKIP (expelled Tories who were too evil even for them).  Labour's vote share could be pushed either side of the margin of error.

Quote from: DooMAD
The only reason the tories called the election was because they thought it was a done deal and they could potentially increase their majority, but now it's likely they're actually going to lose seats.  Also, a tory MP has finally been charged with election fraud (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-election-fraud-craig-mackinlay-south-thanet-mp-candidate-nigel-farage-tory-charge-cps-a7768596.html), accused of falsely declaring expenses in the previous election.  Took the CPS long enough, but at least it will hopefully ruin his campaign.
The entire Conservative Party should be fucked from these electoral fraud allegations, but it looks like they're managing to cling on without enough publicity even happening due to the bastards in the Murdoch press and Daily Mail.  I don't think it'll have too much of an impact for now.

If you vote for any party other than Tories you will be supporting Islamists.

Everyone who is not Muslim MUST vote Tories.  There is no other party to slow down the Islamization.


Yeah, the Iraq, Syria and Libya wars have done so much to help stem the flow of terrorism haven't they?  The West have been so altruistic when pointlessly switching sides and fighting everyone at once, haven't they?  Don't try to convince yourself that 1.6 billion people are terrorists, which is clearly what you mean by "Islamization".

Do you even know what Muslims coming to the West as refugees are running away from?  It's a mixture of terrorism against them from "Muslims" (since the biggest victims of terrorism are Muslims by far), and terrorism from the West.
It might work with traumatized Germans or British but it will not work in the US or Eastern Europe.
Ah hah.  Here's what it is - you don't even have connections to Britain or Germany.  You've made it clear with that little slip of yours, using the third person to refer to British people.

All you've been doing is reading bullshit in the press about Britain being "taken over" or something, and you've exaggerated minor events in your pitiful mind.  This helps you delude yourself into a victim mentality which creates an endless cycle of hatred - this can only ever be stopped when one self-proclaimed "side" actually looks inward instead of outward when considering emotions.

Furthermore, Sharia Law is a vague term referring to laws based on the Qur'an - Sharia courts in the UK are not official courts and cannot override real courts, they're just for domestic disputes for personal business which is why they're allowed.  Furthermore, the countries and governments which have implemented Sharia Law have not implemented it based on the same ideals which Western Muslims typically have.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 04, 2017, 09:36:21 PM
Despite starting with a 21 point gap in the polls, it might now be down to just a single point between the two leading parties (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-election-poll-icm-idUSKBN18U0U5) according to the latest polls.  Many are now predicting a hung parliament, with no single party achieving a decisive majority. 
Labour have pulled off a top-notch election campaign and Corbyn's vote share will undoubtedly be higher than Miliband's pathetic 30% or so in 2015 which would stop people from avoiding voting Labour because they're "unelectable"...

That said, it's far too easy to overestimate the number of young people which will actually go and vote.  The Tories' vote share tend to be more "reliable" voters so to speak, and they've just received a big boost from UKIP (expelled Tories who were too evil even for them).  Labour's vote share could be pushed either side of the margin of error.

Quote from: DooMAD
The only reason the tories called the election was because they thought it was a done deal and they could potentially increase their majority, but now it's likely they're actually going to lose seats.  Also, a tory MP has finally been charged with election fraud (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-election-fraud-craig-mackinlay-south-thanet-mp-candidate-nigel-farage-tory-charge-cps-a7768596.html), accused of falsely declaring expenses in the previous election.  Took the CPS long enough, but at least it will hopefully ruin his campaign.
The entire Conservative Party should be fucked from these electoral fraud allegations, but it looks like they're managing to cling on without enough publicity even happening due to the bastards in the Murdoch press and Daily Mail.  I don't think it'll have too much of an impact for now.

If you vote for any party other than Tories you will be supporting Islamists.

Everyone who is not Muslim MUST vote Tories.  There is no other party to slow down the Islamization.


Yeah, the Iraq, Syria and Libya wars have done so much to help stem the flow of terrorism haven't they?  The West have been so altruistic when pointlessly switching sides and fighting everyone at once, haven't they?  Don't try to convince yourself that 1.6 billion people are terrorists, which is clearly what you mean by "Islamization".

Do you even know what Muslims coming to the West as refugees are running away from?  It's a mixture of terrorism against them from "Muslims" (since the biggest victims of terrorism are Muslims by far), and terrorism from the West.
It might work with traumatized Germans or British but it will not work in the US or Eastern Europe.
Ah hah.  Here's what it is - you don't even have connections to Britain or Germany.  You've made it clear with that little slip of yours, using the third person to refer to British people.

All you've been doing is reading bullshit in the press about Britain being "taken over" or something, and you've exaggerated minor events in your pitiful mind.  This helps you delude yourself into a victim mentality which creates an endless cycle of hatred - this can only ever be stopped when one self-proclaimed "side" actually looks inward instead of outward when considering emotions.

Furthermore, Sharia Law is a vague term referring to laws based on the Qur'an - Sharia courts in the UK are not official courts and cannot override real courts, they're just for domestic disputes for personal business which is why they're allowed.  Furthermore, the countries and governments which have implemented Sharia Law have not implemented it based on the same ideals which Western Muslims typically have.
THE UK IS MY COUNTRY ;D..And ISLAM IS A CANCER IN MY LAND..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on June 04, 2017, 09:52:33 PM
For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking..

Answer me this then..

They kill for 70 virgins and a river flowing with wine..
So why not go out and get pissed a fuck all the women you can try and get..

Some can go through a 1000 women SO THEY SAY :D..And you just go the off licence buy some booze
all the rivers of booze you want..

See how stupid they are ..

So you must get rid of stupid people like that..


Hay bob what are you doing I am blowing myself up to get duck eggs in heaven..
Well bob you can buy them in the supermarket ..



If an atheist blew up your house in the name of appeasing the flying spaghetti monster, would you blame all atheists?  Would we need a crackdown on them too?  Or would you just blame that individual for being an insane bellend who clearly wasn't right in the head?  You can't tar everyone with the same brush.  

Well, you can, but it just makes you look like a dick.   ::)

Obviously the vast majority of Muslims don't believe in killing innocents by blowing themselves up, otherwise you wouldn't be so concerned with how numerous they are, heh.  I mean, seriously, which is it?  They're all suicide bombers, or they're all here to steal your job, or they're all here to claim benefits?  I've heard you claim all three, but they all sound pretty mutually exclusive and contradictory.  Pick an argument and stick with it for crying out loud.   ::)


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 04, 2017, 10:15:35 PM
For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking..

Answer me this then..

They kill for 70 virgins and a river flowing with wine..
So why not go out and get pissed a fuck all the women you can try and get..

Some can go through a 1000 women SO THEY SAY :D..And you just go the off licence buy some booze
all the rivers of booze you want..

See how stupid they are ..

So you must get rid of stupid people like that..


Hay bob what are you doing I am blowing myself up to get duck eggs in heaven..
Well bob you can buy them in the supermarket ..



If an atheist blew up your house in the name of appeasing the flying spaghetti monster, would you blame all atheists?  Would we need a crackdown on them too?  Or would you just blame that individual for being an insane bellend who clearly wasn't right in the head?  You can't tar everyone with the same brush.  

Well, you can, but it just makes you look like a dick.   ::)

Obviously the vast majority of Muslims don't believe in killing innocents by blowing themselves up, otherwise you wouldn't be so concerned with how numerous they are, heh.  I mean, seriously, which is it?  They're all suicide bombers, or they're all here to steal your job, or they're all here to claim benefits?  I've heard you claim all three, but they all sound pretty mutually exclusive and contradictory.  Pick an argument and stick with it for crying out loud.   ::)
spaghetti monster,..I AM an ATHEIST ..Guess what   I AM AN ATHEIST ..

Guess what try another cause      I am an ATHEIST ..

So now what do i blow myself for..   You killed my children?..

Well it's a a good reason to blow myself up and the people who done it..
But what's that got to do with RELIGION..?


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 04, 2017, 10:32:04 PM
I mean, seriously, which is it?  They're all suicide bombers, or they're all here to steal your job, or they're all here to claim benefits?..You missed the SHARIA LAW too..

But you just about covered it ;)..

Theresa May defends Sharia Law views as she prepares to become ...
www.express.co.uk › News › UK
13 Jul 2016 - Theresa May forced to defend views on Sharia Law as she prepares to ... she supports Sharia in the UK, said she is "concerned" that the 'law' is ..

All SHE needs now is a police officer in every ones home doing 2 shifts day and nights ..

She keeps saying the internet is a breeding ground for terror
looks like she wants to control what we think about them more the reason why not the ISLAMS ..

Islam terror been going way before i had a laptop..

Just i know more about SHADY POLITICIANS now than ever ever did thanks to the INTERNET..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on June 04, 2017, 10:38:22 PM
Jihadism should be criminalized.

Well it's not exactly legal, is it, you prat.   ::)


If British people elect the Labour party it would mean they either don't care or don't understand what is going on.

You don't understand what's going on.  The things the terrorists hate most are our freedom, democracy, tolerance, pluralism and decency.  It's nothing more than provocation on their part.  They want you to lower yourself to their level.  They're goading you into fighting on their terms.  They know that the more we try to tighten our grip, the more radicalised individuals we create.  They want you to abandon all the things that make us who we are to fight them.  Stop falling for it like an idiot.  Stop giving in.

For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking.  You're giving extremists exactly what they want, namely more extremism and further escalation.  You don't defeat terrorists by letting them win.

Try thinking it through to conclusion for a change.  There are ways to beat terrorism that don't include debasing your morals to the point that you're no better than they are.  Pity you're already there, though.  Just don't expect the rest of us to join you.

You will lose if you are not more brutal than they are.

Appeasement does not work.  You don't win by letting terrorists operate in your country.

You need to round up Islamists operating your country and expel them.

You need to carpet bomb the ISIS-controlled territory.  Wipe them out!!!

You need to ban Islamists from entering your country.

You need to deport all families, confiscate their property, seize their bank accounts if any member of their families is Islamist or Jihadist.

You need to actively go after Islamists and Jihadists.

That is how you win.

If I believed in that sort of thing, I'd rather deport you to be honest.  You sound like a bigger threat to my quality of life than any terrorist because you hate freedom even more than they do.  

That is not how you win.  That's how you escalate the situation and create even more terrorists, feeding the vicious cycle of violence.  You are appeasing the terrorists by giving them what they want.  Way to completely miss the point of my previous reply to you.

You have already lost because you have already lowered yourself to the level of a terrorist.  You and the terrorists are just two sides of the same coin.  You should be ashamed, but I know you won't be.



For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking..

Answer me this then..

They kill for 70 virgins and a river flowing with wine..
So why not go out and get pissed a fuck all the women you can try and get..

Some can go through a 1000 women SO THEY SAY :D..And you just go the off licence buy some booze
all the rivers of booze you want..

See how stupid they are ..

So you must get rid of stupid people like that..


Hay bob what are you doing I am blowing myself up to get duck eggs in heaven..
Well bob you can buy them in the supermarket ..



If an atheist blew up your house in the name of appeasing the flying spaghetti monster, would you blame all atheists?  Would we need a crackdown on them too?  Or would you just blame that individual for being an insane bellend who clearly wasn't right in the head?  You can't tar everyone with the same brush.  

Well, you can, but it just makes you look like a dick.   ::)

Obviously the vast majority of Muslims don't believe in killing innocents by blowing themselves up, otherwise you wouldn't be so concerned with how numerous they are, heh.  I mean, seriously, which is it?  They're all suicide bombers, or they're all here to steal your job, or they're all here to claim benefits?  I've heard you claim all three, but they all sound pretty mutually exclusive and contradictory.  Pick an argument and stick with it for crying out loud.   ::)
spaghetti monster,..I AM an ATHEIST ..Guess what   I AM AN ATHEIST ..

Guess what try another cause      I am an ATHEIST ..

So now what do i blow myself for..   You killed my children?..

Well it's a a good reason to blow myself up and the people who done it..
But what's that got to do with RELIGION..?

*facepalm*

Am I being too subtle?  "What's that got to do with religion?" was my entire point.  Not all Muslims are bombers and not all bombers are Muslim.  That example demonstrates it.  Any person of any religion, or someone who isn't religious at all, could blow up someone's house.  It doesn't then mean you retaliate by attacking anyone who is ascribed the same label as the person who blew up the house.  The people you choose to attack don't even share the same views as the bomber, because they aren't extremists or terrorists like the bomber was.  But in the act of attacking them, you run the risk of turning them into future extremists or terrorists.


I mean, seriously, which is it?  They're all suicide bombers, or they're all here to steal your job, or they're all here to claim benefits?..You missed the SHARIA LAW too..

But you just about covered it ;)..

*double facepalm*

I know it generally kills the humour when you have to explain a joke, but I can see you need walking through it.  You're doing the classic Shrodinger's Immigrant (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=schrodinger%27s+immigrant+meme&source=lnms&tbm=isch) argument, which is stupid enough to begin with, but now you're saying they can steal your job and claim benefits after they've blown themselves up.  Clearly your argument doesn't make sense.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: criptix on June 04, 2017, 10:39:37 PM
Jihadism should be criminalized.

Well it's not exactly legal, is it, you prat.   ::)


If British people elect the Labour party it would mean they either don't care or don't understand what is going on.

You don't understand what's going on.  The things the terrorists hate most are our freedom, democracy, tolerance, pluralism and decency.  It's nothing more than provocation on their part.  They want you to lower yourself to their level.  They're goading you into fighting on their terms.  They know that the more we try to tighten our grip, the more radicalised individuals we create.  They want you to abandon all the things that make us who we are to fight them.  Stop falling for it like an idiot.  Stop giving in.

For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking.  You're giving extremists exactly what they want, namely more extremism and further escalation.  You don't defeat terrorists by letting them win.

Try thinking it through to conclusion for a change.  There are ways to beat terrorism that don't include debasing your morals to the point that you're no better than they are.  Pity you're already there, though.  Just don't expect the rest of us to join you.

You will lose if you are not more brutal than they are.

Appeasement does not work.  You don't win by letting terrorists operate in your country.

You need to round up Islamists operating your country and expel them.

You need to carpet bomb the ISIS-controlled territory.  Wipe them out!!!

You need to ban Islamists from entering your country.

You need to deport all families, confiscate their property, seize their bank accounts if any member of their families is Islamist or Jihadist.

You need to actively go after Islamists and Jihadists.

That is how you win.



Nice penal system.
Punish the whole family because one family member did something.

I know exactly one nation in the world where such a system exist: north korea.
(And maybe somewhere deep in the african bush or amazon)

But yeah let that day come and some of your family member does some shit. I will be giggling seing your face. ::)


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 04, 2017, 10:44:14 PM
Jihadism should be criminalized.

Well it's not exactly legal, is it, you prat.   ::)


If British people elect the Labour party it would mean they either don't care or don't understand what is going on.

You don't understand what's going on.  The things the terrorists hate most are our freedom, democracy, tolerance, pluralism and decency.  It's nothing more than provocation on their part.  They want you to lower yourself to their level.  They're goading you into fighting on their terms.  They know that the more we try to tighten our grip, the more radicalised individuals we create.  They want you to abandon all the things that make us who we are to fight them.  Stop falling for it like an idiot.  Stop giving in.

For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking.  You're giving extremists exactly what they want, namely more extremism and further escalation.  You don't defeat terrorists by letting them win.

Try thinking it through to conclusion for a change.  There are ways to beat terrorism that don't include debasing your morals to the point that you're no better than they are.  Pity you're already there, though.  Just don't expect the rest of us to join you.

You will lose if you are not more brutal than they are.

Appeasement does not work.  You don't win by letting terrorists operate in your country.

You need to round up Islamists operating your country and expel them.

You need to carpet bomb the ISIS-controlled territory.  Wipe them out!!!

You need to ban Islamists from entering your country.

You need to deport all families, confiscate their property, seize their bank accounts if any member of their families is Islamist or Jihadist.

You need to actively go after Islamists and Jihadists.

That is how you win.



Nice penal system.
Punish the whole family because one family member did something.

I know exactly one nation where such a system exist: north korea.

But yeah let that day come and some of your family member does some shit. I will be gigglign seing your face.
Jeez you Germans loosing your touch ..
You should easy be able to think of a good way to get rid of them..
ANY IDEAS :D :D..

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Can you smell something funny :D :D..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: criptix on June 04, 2017, 10:54:30 PM

[Text which is way above popcorns intelligence]


Please show some sympathy.
Popcorn is not the smartest especially when he starts to light his joint while posting here.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: criptix on June 04, 2017, 10:55:46 PM
Jihadism should be criminalized.

Well it's not exactly legal, is it, you prat.   ::)


If British people elect the Labour party it would mean they either don't care or don't understand what is going on.

You don't understand what's going on.  The things the terrorists hate most are our freedom, democracy, tolerance, pluralism and decency.  It's nothing more than provocation on their part.  They want you to lower yourself to their level.  They're goading you into fighting on their terms.  They know that the more we try to tighten our grip, the more radicalised individuals we create.  They want you to abandon all the things that make us who we are to fight them.  Stop falling for it like an idiot.  Stop giving in.

For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking.  You're giving extremists exactly what they want, namely more extremism and further escalation.  You don't defeat terrorists by letting them win.

Try thinking it through to conclusion for a change.  There are ways to beat terrorism that don't include debasing your morals to the point that you're no better than they are.  Pity you're already there, though.  Just don't expect the rest of us to join you.

You will lose if you are not more brutal than they are.

Appeasement does not work.  You don't win by letting terrorists operate in your country.

You need to round up Islamists operating your country and expel them.

You need to carpet bomb the ISIS-controlled territory.  Wipe them out!!!

You need to ban Islamists from entering your country.

You need to deport all families, confiscate their property, seize their bank accounts if any member of their families is Islamist or Jihadist.

You need to actively go after Islamists and Jihadists.

That is how you win.



Nice penal system.
Punish the whole family because one family member did something.

I know exactly one nation where such a system exist: north korea.

But yeah let that day come and some of your family member does some shit. I will be gigglign seing your face.
Jeez you Germans loosing your touch ..
You should easy be able to think of a good way to get rid of them..
ANY IDEAS :D :D..

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS   Can you smell something funny :D :D..

Get a dictionary and look up the word:

Sarcasm


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 04, 2017, 10:59:05 PM
I am only joking you know ..About gassing them..
Just hang them instead :D Another joke ;D :-*

I think we should just knock all the religious buildings down and build science learning and sports centres in there places ..

And all colour people could learn and share there knowledge amongst each other AS ONE..

Do you think i will ever get my way..

OR will have have to make a new religion ABOUT EARTHALON..?


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: criptix on June 04, 2017, 11:05:03 PM
I am only joking you know ..About gassing them..
Just hang them instead :D Another joke ;D :-*

I think we should just knock all the religious buildings down and build science learning and sports centres in there places ..

And all colour people could learn and share there knowledge amongst each other AS ONE..

Do you think i will ever get my way..

OR will have have to make a new religion ABOUT EARTHALON..?


Well then im relieved.

The thing about religion is that it is part of our western values regarding freedom (religious freedom). Abolishing religion because some people think it is wrong would be fascism.

So i guess you could try to be the jesus of the Earthalon religion :)


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 04, 2017, 11:08:08 PM
I am only joking you know ..About gassing them..
Just hang them instead :D Another joke ;D :-*

I think we should just knock all the religious buildings down and build science learning and sports centres in there places ..

And all colour people could learn and share there knowledge amongst each other AS ONE..

Do you think i will ever get my way..

OR will have have to make a new religion ABOUT EARTHALON..?


Well then im relieved.

The thing about religion is that it is part of our western values regarding freedom (religious freedom). Abolishing religion because some people think it is wrong would be fascism.

So i guess you could try to be the jesus of the Earthalon religion :)

will you be my Peter or Paul ?.. ;D

Well share those bitcoins with JESUS then :D :D..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: criptix on June 04, 2017, 11:13:05 PM
Sadly im not the religious type and regarding bitcoins im a greeady bastard :P


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: criptix on June 04, 2017, 11:29:27 PM
^

Af_newbie:

Why dont you move to north korea? Everything what you want and more is real there.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 04, 2017, 11:33:21 PM
Sadly im not the religious type and regarding bitcoins im a greeady bastard :P
I know :D..But your more middle class in the BTC world..

Some own 1000s of BTC..Could i be one of them?..

No your right :'( :'(..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: criptix on June 05, 2017, 02:24:24 AM
^

Af_newbie:

Why dont you move to north korea? Everything what you want and more is real there.

Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia? You will be closer to Mecca.

Because im no muslim and disapprove of the sauds?
Are you able to read?

You can post from north korea and tell us how great it is there.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: criptix on June 05, 2017, 03:33:16 AM
^

Af_newbie:

Why dont you move to north korea? Everything what you want and more is real there.

Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia? You will be closer to Mecca.

Because im no muslim and disapprove of the sauds?
Are you able to read?

You can post from north korea and tell us how great it is there.

So go to Chechnya that is where you from, right?

There are now depending on whom you believe atleast 193 countries left where i could come from.
I can tell you i wont be your neighbour when you move to north korea, so now are atleast 192 nations left.

Btw. How comes you expect me to be russian? Last time i read RT and breitbart they said russians do not like muslims or immigrants. :S

And it seems you dont want to live in NoKor even though there exist everything what you wish for.
I wonder why?

Lulz


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: shroomzcoin on June 05, 2017, 10:08:48 AM
£10 an minimum wage, we will no longer have a service industry, all call centres will close

I work in a call centre and can confirm this is just speculation.  With the Q1 profits they announced, they can definitely afford it, even with a workforce of over 300 people (although I'm sure they'd take the opportunity to reduce commission if the base pay is higher, so I probably won't see much difference anyway).

Call centers in the Philippines pay around £2 per hour for their workers, and the quality is almost equal to those within the United Kingdom. In addition to that the taxes are also lower in the Philippines. It is just a matter of time, before the "great flight" begins.
And to the other guy, i can afford to shop in house of fraiser, but i dont as i would spend most my money, just like these companies, they could pay the extra wages, or just move to somewhere like the Philippines and save 80%
There will always be huge tax evasion/avoidance schemes, but UK corporation tax is one of the lowest in the G20 already.  Average corporation tax has been falling and falling as all countries, especially the UK, delude themselves into believing that companies will all just run off.  I don't know when it's going to happen but it sure hasn't yet.

Pretending that all Labour's plans are somehow unaffordable is ridiculous.  The Attlee government nationalised the coal industry, Bank of England, health service (created the NHS), electricity, cable and wireless networks, trains/rail, waterways, gas and the steel industry.  They even created zero unemployment, only had six years, and ran a surplus.

Why do people act like all these things are impractical today?

Because if you just look at the figures, they dont add up, they are good policies and good for the public except it will ruin the country and leave us with less money than ever. And have you seen the state of our council services atm, its run by a bunch of monkeys and labour already proved 10 years ago they manage it worse, and they want it all nationalized? they couldn't run a piss up in a brewery, so how do you think the trains will run under nationalization, bear in mind they would have to pay off richard branson and the others for taking their business that they have spent 100+hours a week working for their entire lives, im guessing virgin trains will not be a cheap buyout either, surerly a few billion then would have to set it all up again, labour will destroy the country if they get in, kinda why im voting for them.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on June 05, 2017, 10:47:52 AM
Because if you just look at the figures, they dont add up

Here are the names of 100+ economists who think tory austerity doesn't add up (https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/over-100-economists-want-you-to-stop.html).  Are you telling me each and every one of them is wrong?


i was a nurse back in 2005 just before the country was spiraling into debt

And what connection do you currently hold with the NHS?  Because all the people I know who work in the NHS right now say it's worse under the tories.  Think I'll be taking their word over yours, cheers.  Plus, the solution certainly isn't to sell off the NHS on the cheap (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TQrTJLnia8), which is what the tories are all for.  The satirists (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PymtGtxGX8) can see it, why can't you?


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: shroomzcoin on June 05, 2017, 11:25:02 AM
Because if you just look at the figures, they dont add up

Here are the names of 100+ economists who think tory austerity doesn't add up (https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/over-100-economists-want-you-to-stop.html).  Are you telling me each and every one of them is wrong?


i was a nurse back in 2005 just before the country was spiraling into debt

And what connection do you currently hold with the NHS?  Because all the people I know who work in the NHS right now say it's worse under the tories.  Think I'll be taking their word over yours, cheers.

i left a long time ago when they started closing local hospitals down, never went back. Nursing stopped being about nursing a long time ago, when you spend 90% of your day doing paperwork and only 10% actually looking after patient its just not nursing. Went back to uni and became a bookkeeper, get paid a lot more for doing the same amount of paperwork. And yes of course it will be worse, labour plunged it into billions of debt that HAD to be paid back, that is only possible with cuts to all the services, how else will the NHS pay the money back? i was saying it back then that everything was being wasted and most of the staff were lazy, getting paid 20k+ a year for actually doing nothing, cleaning up 1 spill a day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp-2__k7I1o is why you cant have the NHS labour wants, they tried it and ruined it, tories left to pick up the debt, again with stupid notes left by the labour cabinet saying haha the money is all gone, does that sound like a responsible government to you?


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Sithara007 on June 06, 2017, 02:13:37 AM
^

Af_newbie:

Why dont you move to north korea? Everything what you want and more is real there.

Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia? You will be closer to Mecca.

Saudi Arabia does not give citizenship to non-Saudis. Officially, there is a pathway for citizenship for the Muslim expats who have continuously resided in KSA for 20 years, but it is very rarely honored. And citizenship for non-Muslims is banned altogether.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on June 06, 2017, 03:36:18 PM
Speaking of Saudi Arabia, an independent candidate, Nicholas Wilson, in the Hastings and Rye constituency was trying to raise the issue of how arms sales to the region weaken our security.  The current Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, shut him down by passing a note to the moderator.  He then tried to move onto the subject of the tories shutting down the Serious Fraud Office, but again, was shut down.  Or, perhaps it was the part right at the beginning, where he pointed out the conflict of interest with the Prime Minister's husband being tied to HSBC, who are known money launderers (https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/10886/campaigners-rail-against-tories-cash-conservatives-scandal) who fund terrorism (https://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2012/07/16/hsbc-helped-terrorists-iran-mexican-drug-cartels-launder-money-senate-report-says/).  Either way, this is no excuse to resort to totalitarianism to silence dissent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEcMW6RmC_w


Mr Wilson then had to take to social media to continue making his point:

https://www.facebook.com/realmediaUK/videos/1335994809823388/


But it will only be so long before we can't do that either, with the tories looking to place restrictions on the internet "coz terrists", as if that were somehow the problem.  NewsThump probably gave the best response in the form of this:

http://newsthump.com/2017/06/05/uk-hasnt-done-enough-to-tackle-terrorism-says-woman-whose-job-it-was-to-tackle-terrorism/

Quote
UK hasn’t done enough to tackle terrorism, says woman whose job it was to tackle terrorism

The UK hasn’t done enough to tackle terrorist extremists in the UK, according to the woman responsible for doing just that for the last six years.

Prime Minister Theresa May took the unprecedented step of attacking her own track record in tackling extremism when talking the reporters today.

She told the press, “The UK has not done enough to defeat extremism, and I should know because it was very specifically my job.

“When I say we haven’t done enough, I can be sure I’m correct in that assessment because everything we did for the last six years in trying to tackle extremism went across my desk as Home Secretary, and was specifically approved by me.

“So when I say we haven’t done enough, I am basically saying I was a bit shit at my job for quite a number of years.

“That’s how confident I am about this election; I can openly admit I did a bad job, but you lot will still vote for me because Jeremy Corbyn looks a bit awkward in a suit.

Satire, but only by the smallest of margins.  It couldn't be much closer to the sad reality we face.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 06, 2017, 04:10:38 PM
Speaking of Saudi Arabia, an independent candidate, Nicholas Wilson, in the Hastings and Rye constituency was trying to raise the issue of how arms sales to the region weaken our security.  The current Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, shut him down by passing a note to the moderator.  He then tried to move onto the subject of the tories shutting down the Serious Fraud Office, but again, was shut down.  Or, perhaps it was the part right at the beginning, where he pointed out the conflict of interest with the Prime Minister's husband being tied to HSBC, who are known money launderers (https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/10886/campaigners-rail-against-tories-cash-conservatives-scandal) who fund terrorism (https://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecchia/2012/07/16/hsbc-helped-terrorists-iran-mexican-drug-cartels-launder-money-senate-report-says/).  Either way, this is no excuse to resort to totalitarianism to silence dissent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEcMW6RmC_w


Mr Wilson then had to take to social media to continue making his point:

https://www.facebook.com/realmediaUK/videos/1335994809823388/


But it will only be so long before we can't do that either, with the tories looking to place restrictions on the internet "coz terrists", as if that were somehow the problem.  NewsThump probably gave the best response in the form of this:

http://newsthump.com/2017/06/05/uk-hasnt-done-enough-to-tackle-terrorism-says-woman-whose-job-it-was-to-tackle-terrorism/

Quote
UK hasn’t done enough to tackle terrorism, says woman whose job it was to tackle terrorism

The UK hasn’t done enough to tackle terrorist extremists in the UK, according to the woman responsible for doing just that for the last six years.

Prime Minister Theresa May took the unprecedented step of attacking her own track record in tackling extremism when talking the reporters today.

She told the press, “The UK has not done enough to defeat extremism, and I should know because it was very specifically my job.

“When I say we haven’t done enough, I can be sure I’m correct in that assessment because everything we did for the last six years in trying to tackle extremism went across my desk as Home Secretary, and was specifically approved by me.

“So when I say we haven’t done enough, I am basically saying I was a bit shit at my job for quite a number of years.

“That’s how confident I am about this election; I can openly admit I did a bad job, but you lot will still vote for me because Jeremy Corbyn looks a bit awkward in a suit.

Satire, but only by the smallest of margins.  It couldn't be much closer to the sad reality we face.

Amber Rudd and Theresa may..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHTHsgW6ho


I forgot here husband is a bankster gangster < Money Predators the worst of the lot..
They cause trouble for the stock markets ..UP or DOWN ..

If you know something go down
If you know something go ups  ;D..

SHE IS ANOTHER HILLARY CLINTON ..THERESA MAY..AKA ZELDA..<with an haircut..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Qartada on June 06, 2017, 06:46:37 PM
^

Af_newbie:

Why dont you move to north korea? Everything what you want and more is real there.

Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia? You will be closer to Mecca.

Saudi Arabia does not give citizenship to non-Saudis. Officially, there is a pathway for citizenship for the Muslim expats who have continuously resided in KSA for 20 years, but it is very rarely honored. And citizenship for non-Muslims is banned altogether.

And why the Western democracies are not following the same rules?  Saudis are smarter than Westerners.
Oh, so you're against freedom then.  What values are you even protecting when you hate Muslims so much?  You just associate Muslim nations with evil, then argue that Western nations should do exactly the same things as them?

Are you even listening to yourself?


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 06, 2017, 06:59:18 PM
Theresa May says the internet must now be regulated following ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › UK › UK Politics
2 days ago - New international agreements should be introduced to regulate the internet in the light of the London Bridge terror attack, Theresa May has said. ... London attack shows too much tolerance for extremism in UK, May says. ... “We need to work with allied democratic governments to reach

Theresa May: London Bridge attack shows 'we are too ... - Sky News
news.sky.com/.../theresa-may-london-bridge-attack-shows-we-are-too-tolerant-of-extr...
2 days ago - Theresa May: London Bridge attack shows 'we are too tolerant of extremism'. After the van and knife attack in London, the Prime Minister says

She said extremism is creating extremism :D..WOW

I thought it was ISLAM
I mean you got the taliban and many other islamic faiths killing each other in other countries

Pakistan you die for blasphemy   Africa they cut women's pussies
and also some fathers and family members will kill there own family members for shaming the religion..

NOW WHAT CREATES this in our land ..HMMMM let me GUESS ..

would it be inviting many many different belief systems all living in little BRITAIN
to spread there way of life NOT OUR WAY but there way..

I mean why would a guy from Pakistan believe in our way     if in his own country he hates
blasphemers he would still hate them HERE..

And TO ALL MUSLIMS ..

ISLAM AS NO MEANING IN THE UK..IT'S OUR COUNTRY.. ;)WE FUCKING HATE IT..
AND ALWAYS WILL..

We the UK never had Muslims telling us it's there country NO IT'S FUCKING NOT..

The only reason why is because GREEDY TWAT POLITICIANS take SAUDI MONEY..

THEY SOLD US OUT..

I am SICK OF MUSLIMS saying it's our country IT'S NOT..

THE UK IS NO MUSLIM COUNTRY ..And it never ever will be CIVIL WAR BEFORE IT DOES..

Why would we want you horrible little twats running around our nation?..
YOUR RELIGION IS THE RELIGION OF SHIT..

And no wonder INDIA fucking moved you all out .
To make your own land called PAKISTAN..

So if YOU MUSLIMS ARE SO GOOD ..

WHY THE FUCK DID INDIA ..MOVE YOU OUT?..

I mean if something is so good you keep it.. So how good was you for INDIA..
Remember you are PAKISTANI are really Indians ..

So the INDIANS thought get those CRAZY MUSLIM INDIANS out because they don't bring nothing BUT
SHIT..



Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 06, 2017, 07:12:16 PM
And when immigrants come over have you ever heard the expression like father like son..
Well his father come from PAKISTAN  and he hate many things we westerners do..

And i bet some rub off onto the CHILDREN..

Don't do this don't do that from the father ..Then when child grows up don't do this and don't do that..

DO WHAT ..Well anything is father could of brought from PAKISTAN ..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Spendulus on June 06, 2017, 07:13:31 PM
How much Saudi money did the PM take, would you know?


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: protokol on June 06, 2017, 07:22:32 PM
Jihadism should be criminalized.

Well it's not exactly legal, is it, you prat.   ::)


If British people elect the Labour party it would mean they either don't care or don't understand what is going on.

You don't understand what's going on.  The things the terrorists hate most are our freedom, democracy, tolerance, pluralism and decency.  It's nothing more than provocation on their part.  They want you to lower yourself to their level.  They're goading you into fighting on their terms.  They know that the more we try to tighten our grip, the more radicalised individuals we create.  They want you to abandon all the things that make us who we are to fight them.  Stop falling for it like an idiot.  Stop giving in.

For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking.  You're giving extremists exactly what they want, namely more extremism and further escalation.  You don't defeat terrorists by letting them win.

Try thinking it through to conclusion for a change.  There are ways to beat terrorism that don't include debasing your morals to the point that you're no better than they are.  Pity you're already there, though.  Just don't expect the rest of us to join you.

Great post.

This is what I don't understand about the mindset of a Tory voter - The party will literally and flagrantly take away the freedoms that make Britain so great. Their nonsense about censoring the internet is especially worrying, yet they fail to put police on the street where they can actually make a difference. Theresa May cut thousands of police jobs when she was Home Secretary.

Not to mention the immmigration debate which is ridiculous on two levels: Firstly the Conservative party has failed to curb immigration and it has increased while they were in power; secondly the majority of the terrorist attacks in recent months have been made by British citizens, so their immigration policy wouldn't have worked anyway.

A vote for the Tories is not in 90% of the members' of this forum's interest...


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 06, 2017, 07:32:34 PM
How much Saudi money did the PM take, would you know?
Well we wont know until the future like this..

Mark Thatcher accused: Sources say he got 12m pounds from arms ...
www.independent.co.uk/.../mark-thatcher-accused-sources-say-he-got-12m-pounds-fr...
8 Oct 1994 - MARK THATCHER made millions of pounds from Britain's huge ... publish, Mr Sheldon said there had been 'no evidence of fraud or corruption'.

Thatcher made secrecy pact with Saudi king over 'corrupt' arms deal ...
https://www.rt.com/uk/310030-saudi-thatcher/
16 Jul 2015 - Margaret Thatcher promised Saudi Arabia secrecy ahead of a £43 ... They were being investigated by Britain's Serious Fraud Office at the time..


And that's why they want to do this... ;)

London Attack: Theresa May Wants to Transform the Internet | Time.com
time.com/4805645/theresa-may-london-attack-internet/
1 day ago - Theresa May Wants to Regulate Cyberspace After the London Attack. ... British Prime Minister Theresa May has focused on vastly improved regulation of the internet since the U.K. suffered its third terrorist attack in the space of three months on Saturday. ..


SHE IS A SNAKE ..So maybe we will know how much in the future or maybe we will never know nothing because the internet been SHUT DOWN.. :D..

And Bitcoin will be worth 1p :D..

CRIPTIX will shit his pants :D


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 06, 2017, 07:49:52 PM
Jihadism should be criminalized.

Well it's not exactly legal, is it, you prat.   ::)


If British people elect the Labour party it would mean they either don't care or don't understand what is going on.

You don't understand what's going on.  The things the terrorists hate most are our freedom, democracy, tolerance, pluralism and decency.  It's nothing more than provocation on their part.  They want you to lower yourself to their level.  They're goading you into fighting on their terms.  They know that the more we try to tighten our grip, the more radicalised individuals we create.  They want you to abandon all the things that make us who we are to fight them.  Stop falling for it like an idiot.  Stop giving in.

For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking.  You're giving extremists exactly what they want, namely more extremism and further escalation.  You don't defeat terrorists by letting them win.

Try thinking it through to conclusion for a change.  There are ways to beat terrorism that don't include debasing your morals to the point that you're no better than they are.  Pity you're already there, though.  Just don't expect the rest of us to join you.

Great post.

This is what I don't understand about the mindset of a Tory voter - The party will literally and flagrantly take away the freedoms that make Britain so great. Their nonsense about censoring the internet is especially worrying, yet they fail to put police on the street where they can actually make a difference. Theresa May cut thousands of police jobs when she was Home Secretary.

Not to mention the immmigration debate which is ridiculous on two levels: Firstly the Conservative party has failed to curb immigration and it has increased while they were in power; secondly the majority of the terrorist attacks in recent months have been made by British citizens, so their immigration policy wouldn't have worked anyway.

A vote for the Tories is not in 90% of the members' of this forum's interest...
secondly the majority of the terrorist attacks in recent months have been made by British citizens..

BUT NOT NATIVES  ..^^^

The parents come over for a job and have a baby and then teach that child WHAT?..

Well if i am from ITALY i will teach my child even though i live in Spain how to make PASTA
or become a gangster the MAFIA and will teach them CHRISTIANITY ..

Now if your from CHINA even though you live in the UK you teach your child how to make PEKING DUCK and have a BET..

Now if your from PAKISTAN you will teach your child to do WHAT even though you live in Spain?..
would they teach the daughters to go out and enjoy themselves and have a boy friend?..
would they teach them CHRISTIANITY and to forgive all?..

I could imagine they teach them the ways of the KORAN being a MUSLIM


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: protokol on June 06, 2017, 08:01:13 PM
Jihadism should be criminalized.

Well it's not exactly legal, is it, you prat.   ::)


If British people elect the Labour party it would mean they either don't care or don't understand what is going on.

You don't understand what's going on.  The things the terrorists hate most are our freedom, democracy, tolerance, pluralism and decency.  It's nothing more than provocation on their part.  They want you to lower yourself to their level.  They're goading you into fighting on their terms.  They know that the more we try to tighten our grip, the more radicalised individuals we create.  They want you to abandon all the things that make us who we are to fight them.  Stop falling for it like an idiot.  Stop giving in.

For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking.  You're giving extremists exactly what they want, namely more extremism and further escalation.  You don't defeat terrorists by letting them win.

Try thinking it through to conclusion for a change.  There are ways to beat terrorism that don't include debasing your morals to the point that you're no better than they are.  Pity you're already there, though.  Just don't expect the rest of us to join you.

Great post.

This is what I don't understand about the mindset of a Tory voter - The party will literally and flagrantly take away the freedoms that make Britain so great. Their nonsense about censoring the internet is especially worrying, yet they fail to put police on the street where they can actually make a difference. Theresa May cut thousands of police jobs when she was Home Secretary.

Not to mention the immmigration debate which is ridiculous on two levels: Firstly the Conservative party has failed to curb immigration and it has increased while they were in power; secondly the majority of the terrorist attacks in recent months have been made by British citizens, so their immigration policy wouldn't have worked anyway.

A vote for the Tories is not in 90% of the members' of this forum's interest...
secondly the majority of the terrorist attacks in recent months have been made by British citizens..

BUT NOT NATIVES  ..^^^

The parents come over for a job and have a baby and then teach that child WHAT?..

Well if i am from ITALY i will teach my child even though i live in Spain how to make PASTA
or become a gangster the MAFIA and will teach them CHRISTIANITY ..

Now if your from CHINA even though you live in the UK you teach your child how to make PEKING DUCK and have a BET..

Now if your from PAKISTAN you will teach your child to do WHAT even though you live in Spain?..
would they teach the daughters to go out and enjoy themselves and have a boy friend?..
would they teach them CHRISTIANITY and to forgive all?..

I could imagine they teach them the ways of the KORAN being a MUSLIM


Natives, Schmatives.

I get your point though, you're saying that the terrorists have Islamic roots.

Perhaps the UK should have been more restrictive on its immigration policy 50 years ago...

But don't forget that if that were the case, we probably wouldn't have the NHS, which benefited hugely from Pakistani and Indian immigrants in the 70s and 80s.

if our country wasn't able to get these qualified, immigrant nurses and doctors, we probably wouldn't have a free health service right now.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: popcorn1 on June 06, 2017, 08:23:12 PM
Jihadism should be criminalized.

Well it's not exactly legal, is it, you prat.   ::)


If British people elect the Labour party it would mean they either don't care or don't understand what is going on.

You don't understand what's going on.  The things the terrorists hate most are our freedom, democracy, tolerance, pluralism and decency.  It's nothing more than provocation on their part.  They want you to lower yourself to their level.  They're goading you into fighting on their terms.  They know that the more we try to tighten our grip, the more radicalised individuals we create.  They want you to abandon all the things that make us who we are to fight them.  Stop falling for it like an idiot.  Stop giving in.

For every person calling for a crackdown, deportations, destruction of mosques, etc, you are the ones attacking the exact same freedoms that the terrorists themselves are attacking.  You're giving extremists exactly what they want, namely more extremism and further escalation.  You don't defeat terrorists by letting them win.

Try thinking it through to conclusion for a change.  There are ways to beat terrorism that don't include debasing your morals to the point that you're no better than they are.  Pity you're already there, though.  Just don't expect the rest of us to join you.

Great post.

This is what I don't understand about the mindset of a Tory voter - The party will literally and flagrantly take away the freedoms that make Britain so great. Their nonsense about censoring the internet is especially worrying, yet they fail to put police on the street where they can actually make a difference. Theresa May cut thousands of police jobs when she was Home Secretary.

Not to mention the immmigration debate which is ridiculous on two levels: Firstly the Conservative party has failed to curb immigration and it has increased while they were in power; secondly the majority of the terrorist attacks in recent months have been made by British citizens, so their immigration policy wouldn't have worked anyway.

A vote for the Tories is not in 90% of the members' of this forum's interest...
secondly the majority of the terrorist attacks in recent months have been made by British citizens..

BUT NOT NATIVES  ..^^^

The parents come over for a job and have a baby and then teach that child WHAT?..

Well if i am from ITALY i will teach my child even though i live in Spain how to make PASTA
or become a gangster the MAFIA and will teach them CHRISTIANITY ..

Now if your from CHINA even though you live in the UK you teach your child how to make PEKING DUCK and have a BET..

Now if your from PAKISTAN you will teach your child to do WHAT even though you live in Spain?..
would they teach the daughters to go out and enjoy themselves and have a boy friend?..
would they teach them CHRISTIANITY and to forgive all?..

I could imagine they teach them the ways of the KORAN being a MUSLIM


Natives, Schmatives.

I get your point though, you're saying that the terrorists have Islamic roots.

Perhaps the UK should have been more restrictive on its immigration policy 50 years ago...

But don't forget that if that were the case, we probably wouldn't have the NHS, which benefited hugely from Pakistani and Indian immigrants in the 70s and 80s.

if our country wasn't able to get these qualified, immigrant nurses and doctors, we probably wouldn't have a free health service right now.
if our country wasn't able to get these qualified, immigrant nurses and doctors, we probably wouldn't have a free health service right now.

You are so right BUT why ISLAMS why not GREECE ITALY CANADA all with many people looking for a job..

And as for India they have never been a problem NOT EVER ..
I love the NONE MUSLIM Indians  ..They are apart of our culture they will mix ..

But even they cannot over fill our nation NOT ENOUGH getting built to cope..
Like a football stadium only so many seats  then you need to shut the doors..

But the ISLAM is a crazy belief system that many do not like ONLY A MUSLIM does..
And who's RELIGION is causing all THIS?..

Not me i don't believe in FAIRY TALES..
And many British people don't believe in fairy tales SO you can imagine the shock when someone kills people because we don't believe what they believe..FAIRY TALES..

So you begin to wonder are these people for real?..
And not very many are saying it's the Islam..


If i went in your shop and blew your shop up and said THIS IS FOR HORSES ..
You would tell the police he killed for WHAT?..  For sheep..

If they go in and said this               allahu akbar  this is for the infidels
then you would say to the police they done it for what..

WELL GIVE YOURSELF A PAT ON THE BACK..Oh and 10 house points and a gold star..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: protokol on June 06, 2017, 09:28:18 PM

Who said I hate Muslims? I don't hate people.

I hate the Islamist ideology.  I am all for freedom.

Freedom does not mean you allow the enemy to operate on your territory.

When you are at war, you need to protect your country and protect your borders.  You do this to protect your freedoms, you little twit!!!



Firstly, there is no war. There are dumbass annoying twats blowing shit up - they are not part of an army. If there was an army, then there would be multiple attacks every day, and that's not the case.

The war on terror is not a real war. It is a clash of ideologies of the west, and the individual extremist Islamists who choose to counter those ideologies. They are obviously tiny in number, as you are more likely to be killed by some furniture in the UK, than by a terrorist. They are pretty much all lone wolves.

Secondly, protecting our borders will do absolutely no good, as the people that carry out these attacks are predominantly British citizens already.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: af_newbie on June 06, 2017, 09:41:21 PM

Who said I hate Muslims? I don't hate people.

I hate the Islamist ideology.  I am all for freedom.

Freedom does not mean you allow the enemy to operate on your territory.

When you are at war, you need to protect your country and protect your borders.  You do this to protect your freedoms, you little twit!!!



Firstly, there is no war. There are dumbass annoying twats blowing shit up - they are not part of an army. If there was an army, then there would be multiple attacks every day, and that's not the case.

The war on terror is not a real war. It is a clash of ideologies of the west, and the individual extremist Islamists who choose to counter those ideologies. They are obviously tiny in number, as you are more likely to be killed by some furniture in the UK, than by a terrorist. They are pretty much all lone wolves.

Secondly, protecting our borders will do absolutely no good, as the people that carry out these attacks are predominantly British citizens already.

You are in denial.  Go ahead, wait until you'll have multiple attacks every day. 

If you are non-Muslim go and live in Dearborn, MI.  See how long you'll last.

I think you are simply ill-informed and brainwashed.





Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: protokol on June 06, 2017, 09:46:40 PM

Who said I hate Muslims? I don't hate people.

I hate the Islamist ideology.  I am all for freedom.

Freedom does not mean you allow the enemy to operate on your territory.

When you are at war, you need to protect your country and protect your borders.  You do this to protect your freedoms, you little twit!!!



Firstly, there is no war. There are dumbass annoying twats blowing shit up - they are not part of an army. If there was an army, then there would be multiple attacks every day, and that's not the case.

The war on terror is not a real war. It is a clash of ideologies of the west, and the individual extremist Islamists who choose to counter those ideologies. They are obviously tiny in number, as you are more likely to be killed by some furniture in the UK, than by a terrorist. They are pretty much all lone wolves.

Secondly, protecting our borders will do absolutely no good, as the people that carry out these attacks are predominantly British citizens already.

You are in denial.  Go ahead, wait until you'll have multiple attacks every day. 

If you are non-Muslim go and live in Dearborn, MI.  See how long you'll last.

I think you are simply ill-informed and brainwashed.





Nice arguments... oh wait. You didn't actually say anything.

A. You claim to predict the future.
B. You presume my religion and ask me to live somewhere else.
C. You present an ad hominem attack on my character.

Try addressing my points, rather than spouting random bullshit.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: protokol on June 06, 2017, 10:03:18 PM
I'm not watching youtube videos.

If you want to convince me you're gonna have to use words like a civilised person.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: valta4065 on June 06, 2017, 10:06:53 PM


You will lose if you are not more brutal than they are.



The perfect American
If a problem isn't solved with bombs it means you haven't used enough bombs right?

Please you ugly stupid motherfucker, could you try to use your FUCKING BRAIN FOR ONCE IN YOUR PATHETIC LIFETIME????

Damn I got angry
You can't fight ideals and ideas with violence it just DOESN'T WORK!
What are you going to do? Bomb the whole Middle East without any consideration towards innocent citizens? Fine! Imagine we do that, what will happen next?

GREAT JOB! By bombing the whole Middle East and killing millions of innocents you actually gave AN EXCELLENT reasons for citizens of all around the world to hate you, despize you and try to destroy you! You MIGHT HAVE DESTROYED ONE TERRORIST GROUP (and it's not guaranteed at all unless you use 500 atomic bombs) and you created 50 new ones! Excellent really!

USE YOUR BRAIN

Give me ONE EXAMPLE, just ONE, of a country that managed to annihilate terrorism or guerilla through war!
answer: there are none!!!

And to even think people like you vote ><
But sure, go on do like the Americans, 40 years of wars all around the world, 40 years of defeats, 40 years of creating more and more terrorists, 40 years of simply giving more money to weapons producers...


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: yoseph on June 06, 2017, 11:13:30 PM
Vote for anti-Islamic politician, if you don't, your grandchildren will be Muslim.

There are no viable choices. The Labor party is the worst, but the Tories are not too far behind. Both are in for Muslim appeasement. And the UKIP is having hardly any chances in most of the regions, although they are very moderate.

I am not a fan of the Tories, but they are the best option right now, Since Blair left, the Labour part has been in tatters, their leader Corbyn is a joke and I don't know how come he hasn't been challenged yet for the leadership of the party.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: gentlemand on June 06, 2017, 11:27:52 PM

Natives, Schmatives.

I get your point though, you're saying that the terrorists have Islamic roots.

Perhaps the UK should have been more restrictive on its immigration policy 50 years ago...

But don't forget that if that were the case, we probably wouldn't have the NHS, which benefited hugely from Pakistani and Indian immigrants in the 70s and 80s.

if our country wasn't able to get these qualified, immigrant nurses and doctors, we probably wouldn't have a free health service right now.

Until 1962 I believe every single member of the Commonwealth had the right to live and work in the UK. That would've added up to about 800 million people which would've been a squeeze.

The Daily Mail has now gone full retard - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4578716/Apologists-terror-Corbyn-McDonnell-Abbott.html

Judging by the comments even White Van Man is tiring a little now, or it's been invaded by Momentum.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: protokol on June 06, 2017, 11:41:22 PM
Vote for anti-Islamic politician, if you don't, your grandchildren will be Muslim.

There are no viable choices. The Labor party is the worst, but the Tories are not too far behind. Both are in for Muslim appeasement. And the UKIP is having hardly any chances in most of the regions, although they are very moderate.

I am not a fan of the Tories, but they are the best option right now, Since Blair left, the Labour part has been in tatters, their leader Corbyn is a joke and I don't know how come he hasn't been challenged yet for the leadership of the party.

You must be rich, or disillusioned.

The Tories are in bed with big business, they will allow the inequality of the UK to become even more pronounced, by enforcing taxes on the poor and middle class, and allow offshore businesses to operate on our shores with zero contributions.

They will give more power to the financial sector, hurting Bitcoin. They will enforce surveillance, both on our internet connections and our streets, invading the privacy of the population.

They will fail to counter terrorist attacks, because they think that they can counter them with "internet surveillance", "banning encryption", "forcing companies to allow back doors in software", and "not allowing safe spaces on the internet".

Thanks Theresa, for cutting 20% of our police officers when you were Home Secretary, police officers that could have prevented terrorist attacks. Instead you funnel our taxes into internet surveillance which achieves nothing (and many might argue endangers the privacy and civil liberties of your citizens).

They refuse to legalise drugs - even when the majority of the USA is legalising marijuana for recreational use, they fail to see the moral side of the issue, and exempt our economy from the huge amount of revenue that this would generate. Because they need the votes of old, stupid people.

They are stupid, archaic, and out of touch with the world of technology.

I'm not a huge fan of Labour, but the Tories are fucking obsolete in terms of the technological world we live in today. I would hope that anyone on a Bitcoin forum could see that, and tactically vote against them.

Bitcoin: This Machine Kills Inconveniences Tories


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: protokol on June 06, 2017, 11:49:41 PM

Natives, Schmatives.

I get your point though, you're saying that the terrorists have Islamic roots.

Perhaps the UK should have been more restrictive on its immigration policy 50 years ago...

But don't forget that if that were the case, we probably wouldn't have the NHS, which benefited hugely from Pakistani and Indian immigrants in the 70s and 80s.

if our country wasn't able to get these qualified, immigrant nurses and doctors, we probably wouldn't have a free health service right now.

Until 1962 I believe every single member of the Commonwealth had the right to live and work in the UK. That would've added up to about 800 million people which would've been a squeeze.

The Daily Mail has now gone full retard - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4578716/Apologists-terror-Corbyn-McDonnell-Abbott.html

Judging by the comments even White Van Man is tiring a little now, or it's been invaded by Momentum.

Bloody hell, I didn't read it all but the first few paragraphs read like full-on smear tactics, spin and scathing propaganda. I think they're scared...

It's funny you mention "White Van Man". I know of the demographic, but perhaps if Theresa banned actual white vans, and kitchen knives, she might do a better job of combatting terrorism than demanding back doors in our internet applications...


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Sithara007 on June 07, 2017, 02:09:53 AM
How much Saudi money did the PM take, would you know?

Everyone takes the Saudi money. What is wrong in it? It will be wrong to blame Theresa May for it, when Jeremy Corbyn is even more likely to accept funds from the GCC nations such as KSA and the United Arab Emirates.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on June 07, 2017, 09:40:37 AM
How much Saudi money did the PM take, would you know?

Since March 2015, the UK Government has approved 194 export licences for arms and related equipment to Saudi Arabia, worth an estimated £3.5 billion.  This is despite numerous calls to halt arms exports after Saudi airstrikes in Yemen have violated international law (http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/uk-government-more-concerned-protect-saudi-arms-deals-yemeni-lives-119057494).

These arms sales themselves are also in direct contravention of international law.  The UK is a signed and ratified member of the Arms Trade Treaty (http://www.thearmstradetreaty.org/), aiming to restrict the number of weapons that could be used for war crimes:

Quote
The Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) was adopted by the UN General Assembly to regulate the international trade in conventional arms by establishing the highest international standards and to prevent and eradicate illicit trade and diversion of conventional arms.
The ATT contributes to international and regional peace, security and stability, reducing human suffering, and promoting cooperation, transparency and responsible action among the international community.

The UK now completely undermines this treaty and acts in violation of it.


All this while the government attempt to bury a report into the funding of terrorism (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/home-office-terrorist-funding-report-saudia-arabia-focus-not-publish-conservatives-government-a7766381.html) doesn't look good, to put it mildly.  You can listen to what the Foreign Secretary, Boris "Arseclown" Johnson, struggles to get the words out to say about it here (https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/872075827575492609).

A human rights charity has also warned that May risks handing terrorists their greatest victory (https://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/news/press-releases-and-statements/prime-minister-risks-handing-terrorists-their-greatest-victory):

Quote
"Our human rights laws are the legacy of World War Two, the brainchild of a Conservative Prime Minister and drafted by British lawyers. They're a beacon of hope for those still fighting for basic rights elsewhere. And, most importantly, they continue to help ordinary people all over this country - from trafficking victims to the Hillsborough families.

"If Theresa May does what she threatens, she will go down in history as the Prime Minister who handed terrorists their greatest victory. For cheap political points and headlines, she is willing to undermine our democracy, our freedom and our rights – the very things these violent murderers seek to attack.

"All this and we'll be no safer – our security services and police already have vast powers to tackle terror and hate speech and monitor those they suspect of doing us harm."



In other news, tory 'strong and stable' advertising van overturns in the wind (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/election-tory-strong-stable-van-overturns-conservatives-theresa-may-advert-a7776136.html).   ;D

And May becomes the first serving Prime Minister in 7 General Elections to refuse an interview with the great British institution that is Jon Snow (https://twitter.com/ReclaimTheNews/status/872210097744818178).  Shameful.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBK87KsXgAUpCTA.jpg


Maybe it's due to the humiliating but accurate hammering she took the last time she faced off with a veteran interviewer, when this happened (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77-d_tV4fUk):

http://www.wearedecentralised.co.uk/blowhard.png


Title: Re: Theresa's Jihadis | UK Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on June 07, 2017, 09:41:30 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Why am I only reading just now, the day before the election, that both London attacker Rachid Redouane and Salman Abedi, the Manchester bomber fought in the 2011 British/NATO war against Gaddafi?

People are now saying that they were both recruited by MI5 to fight in Libya and Syria.  The reason that being frequently reported to the PREVENT program did nothing is because they weren't on a watchlist, they were on our own government's payroll!

Quote
It’s little wonder that just one day before the general election, Theresa May has gone camera shy. Theresa May is hiding from questions by journalists about her activities as Home Secretary which saw the recruitment of British Jihadis by MI5 to fight in Libya and Syria and who were given freedom of movement and funding to come in and out of the UK as they pleased. Hiding from questions about her selling Billions of pounds of weaponry to Saudi Arabia, the biggest supplier of weapons to ISIS. Hiding from questions about cutting military personnel by 35,000, police numbers by 20,000 and firefighters by 10,000.

"A London attacker and UK covert operations in Syria and Libya. The Telegraph reports that London attacker Rachid Redouane fought in the 2011 British/NATO war against Qadafi – as did Salman Abedi, the Manchester bomber – and joined a militia which went on to send jihadist fighters to Syria. In Libya, he is believed to have fought with the Liwa al Ummah unit.
http://markcurtis.info/2017/06/07/a-london-attacker-and-uk-covert-operations-in-syria-and-libya/#_ftn1

"'Sorted' by MI5: How UK government sent British-Libyans to fight Gaddafi"
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/sorted-mi5-how-uk-government-sent-british-libyans-fight-gaddafi-1219906488

"TERROR IN BRITAIN: WHAT DID THE PRIME MINISTER KNOW?"
http://johnpilger.com/articles/terror-in-britain-what-did-the-prime-minister-know

"British Libyans and Libyan exiles in Britain, who saw their “control orders” lifted and their passports returned by MI5 six years ago so they could go and fight Gaddafi were never going to turn into sober citizens the day after his fall. Just as the link is undeniable between the perpetrators of 9/11 and the US and Saudi backing for Jihadis fighting the Communists in Afghanistan in the 1980s, so too is the connection between the Manchester bombing and the British Government using Salafi-jihadis from the UK to get rid of Gaddafi."
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/30/we-cant-britainbecome-a-vast-isis-recruiting-station/

If there turns out to be even the slightest hint of truth to this, we are absolutely NOT SAFE under Theresa May!


Title: Re: Theresa's Jihadis | UK Election on 8th June
Post by: citizenh-ssd on June 07, 2017, 09:51:35 PM
BREAKING NEWS:

Why am I only reading just now, the day before the election, that both London attacker Rachid Redouane and Salman Abedi, the Manchester bomber fought in the 2011 British/NATO war against Gaddafi?

People are now saying that they were both recruited by MI5 to fight in Libya and Syria.  The reason that being frequently reported to the PREVENT program did nothing is because they weren't on a watchlist, they were on our own government's payroll!

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It’s little wonder that just one day before the general election, Theresa May has gone camera shy. Theresa May is hiding from questions by journalists about her activities as Home Secretary which saw the recruitment of British Jihadis by MI5 to fight in Libya and Syria and who were given freedom of movement and funding to come in and out of the UK as they pleased. Hiding from questions about her selling Billions of pounds of weaponry to Saudi Arabia, the biggest supplier of weapons to ISIS. Hiding from questions about cutting military personnel by 35,000, police numbers by 20,000 and firefighters by 10,000.

"A London attacker and UK covert operations in Syria and Libya. The Telegraph reports that London attacker Rachid Redouane fought in the 2011 British/NATO war against Qadafi – as did Salman Abedi, the Manchester bomber – and joined a militia which went on to send jihadist fighters to Syria. In Libya, he is believed to have fought with the Liwa al Ummah unit.
http://markcurtis.info/2017/06/07/a-london-attacker-and-uk-covert-operations-in-syria-and-libya/#_ftn1

"'Sorted' by MI5: How UK government sent British-Libyans to fight Gaddafi"
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/sorted-mi5-how-uk-government-sent-british-libyans-fight-gaddafi-1219906488

"TERROR IN BRITAIN: WHAT DID THE PRIME MINISTER KNOW?"
http://johnpilger.com/articles/terror-in-britain-what-did-the-prime-minister-know

"British Libyans and Libyan exiles in Britain, who saw their “control orders” lifted and their passports returned by MI5 six years ago so they could go and fight Gaddafi were never going to turn into sober citizens the day after his fall. Just as the link is undeniable between the perpetrators of 9/11 and the US and Saudi backing for Jihadis fighting the Communists in Afghanistan in the 1980s, so too is the connection between the Manchester bombing and the British Government using Salafi-jihadis from the UK to get rid of Gaddafi."
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/30/we-cant-britainbecome-a-vast-isis-recruiting-station/

If there turns out to be even the slightest hint of truth to this, we are absolutely NOT SAFE under Theresa May!
You need to look at the situation soberly and toughly solve this problem. First of all, every person living in Europe today is afraid of any Muslim and is not ready to live with them. Radical steps are needed to stamp out the Islamists' stay in the countries of Europe. Otherwise, we will suffer every day from their actions.


Title: Re: Theresa's Jihadis | UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Sithara007 on June 08, 2017, 01:30:36 AM
Yeah.... I knew something was fishy when I first read that one of the attackers were originally from Libya. First of all, there are only a handful of Libyans in the UK. And almost all of them were brought to the UK, when Gaddafi was overthrown.


Title: Re: Theresa's Jihadis | UK Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on June 08, 2017, 08:22:37 AM
Radical steps are needed to stamp out the Islamists' stay in the countries of Europe. Otherwise, we will suffer every day from their actions.

Maybe the first radical step should be for us not to recruit and train them to fight proxy wars and overthrow regimes we once supported?

Still waiting to see when, or more likely if the traditional media pick up on it.  It's shocking that most Brits will be going to the polls today completely unaware that the tories trained the terrorists who attacked us:

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As Home Secretary, Theresa May ensured that counter-terror police were overruled to allow the Manchester bomber and his father - a known member of Al Qaeda's Libyan affiliate, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group - to train and fight in Libya. The same policy allowed literally hundreds of 'subjects of interest' to shuttle back and forth between Britain and the training camps and battlefields of Libya and Syria as part of Britain's campaign to destroy those states. As far as she and her government are concerned, the murdered victims of the Manchester and London Bridge attacks are merely collateral damage. Apparently this story is of no interest whatsoever to any serious media outlet.
- Daniel Glazebrook

Theresa May facilitated the Manchester bomber's training (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuv76X6j-kE)


Title: Re: Theresa's Jihadis | UK Election on 8th June
Post by: MostHigh on June 08, 2017, 08:40:37 AM
Following this story, Theresa May, being the Home Secretary was a corporate to all this Arab crisis in Saudi and Syria for a reward for this Jihadis. The whole Britain is paying for a decision a few crook politicians made. My take is fish all this Jihadist out and deport them home


Title: Re: Theresa's Jihadis | UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Sithara007 on June 09, 2017, 05:38:56 AM
So guys, it is confirmed. There will be a hung parliament in the United Kingdom. Theresa May was wrong when she declared early polls.

Right now, the Tories are at 313, with Lab+SNP+LD at 306. The DUP is at 10, Sinn Fein 7, Plaid Cymru 4, and Greens 1.

DUP may side with the Tories, but Sinn Fein, Greens and Plaid Cymru might go with Labor.

So Tories+ is at 323, and Lab+ is at 318. 326 is needed for a majority, and 8 seats are yet to be declared.


Title: Re: Theresa's Jihadis | UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Sithara007 on June 11, 2017, 05:21:33 AM
Everyone bow down to the UK's new overlords, the DUP.

The anti-LGBT+, anti-abortion to the point of human rights abuses, climate change denying bastards, the DUP.

I hope you're all happy that you didn't get a "coalition of chaos" from the Labour Party.  Instead you've got something that's actually bad, not a lot of empty words.

Not many residing outside the Northern Ireland know much about the DUP. Their policies are well known, but their priorities are not very clear. Obviously, they are anti-LGBT and anti-abortion. But would they force these policies on May? We need to wait and watch.


Title: Re: Theresa's Jihadis | UK Election on 8th June
Post by: DooMAD on June 11, 2017, 09:36:15 AM
Everyone bow down to the UK's new overlords, the DUP.

The anti-LGBT+, anti-abortion to the point of human rights abuses, climate change denying bastards, the DUP.

I hope you're all happy that you didn't get a "coalition of chaos" from the Labour Party.  Instead you've got something that's actually bad, not a lot of empty words.

Not many residing outside the Northern Ireland know much about the DUP. Their policies are well known, but their priorities are not very clear. Obviously, they are anti-LGBT and anti-abortion. But would they force these policies on May? We need to wait and watch.

I think this tells you everything you need to know about the DUP (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/former-dup-council-candidate-sentenced-to-eight-years-for-pipebomb-attack-on-polish-neighbours-29206287.html).  May warned us about a coalition of terrorists sympathisers, turns out to be the most honest thing the vile witch has ever said.  She simply neglected to mention that she'd be the one in charge of it!  Fucking hypocrite!  They're more than happy to jump into bed with these Protestant Christian extremists, because other some religious extremists are bad.  Tory logic at it's finest.

Plus, despite failing to capture a majority by themselves, they're still going to try to force through draconian "Big Brother" legislation (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-05/dear-great-britain-%E2%80%93-blame-your-intelligence-agencies-government-not-internet) to regulate the internet (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-04/theresa-may-international-agreements-needed-protect-internet-extremist-content), despite warnings from people who, unlike the tories, actually know what they're talking about, saying (much like her plan to call an election to begin with) this could massively backfire and actually make life easier for terrorists (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/london-attack-theresa-may-internet-regulation-terrorist-networks-jihadis-surveillance-privacy-a7773021.html).


Title: Re: Theresa's Jihadis | UK Election on 8th June
Post by: Sithara007 on June 12, 2017, 05:50:07 AM
Everyone bow down to the UK's new overlords, the DUP.

The anti-LGBT+, anti-abortion to the point of human rights abuses, climate change denying bastards, the DUP.

I hope you're all happy that you didn't get a "coalition of chaos" from the Labour Party.  Instead you've got something that's actually bad, not a lot of empty words.

Not many residing outside the Northern Ireland know much about the DUP. Their policies are well known, but their priorities are not very clear. Obviously, they are anti-LGBT and anti-abortion. But would they force these policies on May? We need to wait and watch.

I think this tells you everything you need to know about the DUP (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/former-dup-council-candidate-sentenced-to-eight-years-for-pipebomb-attack-on-polish-neighbours-29206287.html).  May warned us about a coalition of terrorists sympathisers, turns out to be the most honest thing the vile witch has ever said.  She simply neglected to mention that she'd be the one in charge of it!  Fucking hypocrite!  They're more than happy to jump into bed with these Protestant Christian extremists, because other some religious extremists are bad.  Tory logic at it's finest.

Plus, despite failing to capture a majority by themselves, they're still going to try to force through draconian "Big Brother" legislation (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-05/dear-great-britain-%E2%80%93-blame-your-intelligence-agencies-government-not-internet) to regulate the internet (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-04/theresa-may-international-agreements-needed-protect-internet-extremist-content), despite warnings from people who, unlike the tories, actually know what they're talking about, saying (much like her plan to call an election to begin with) this could massively backfire and actually make life easier for terrorists (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/london-attack-theresa-may-internet-regulation-terrorist-networks-jihadis-surveillance-privacy-a7773021.html).

Wow... that guy bombed his Polish neighbors just because they were Catholic? I thought that the civil war was over in Northern Ireland, and there has been no violence for the past many years. Seems like I was wrong. So what they are going to do next, provided that they are in power now? Are they going to send pipe-bombs to the Vatican?


Title: UK Election on 8th June (and ensuing aftermath)
Post by: DooMAD on June 18, 2017, 10:07:34 PM
So along with Theresa May still not having managed to reach a deal with the DUP (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/17/theresa-may-cancels-2018-queens-speech-dup-pact-hangs-balance/) (yet somehow still adamant she can negotiate with the whole European Union), her own party are turning on her (much like the papers claimed Jeremy Corbyn's own party would turn on him, but haven't).  They've given May "10 days to shape up or ship out (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-may-given-10-days-to-shape-up-or-step-down-as-leader-by-tory-mps-a3567506.html)", threatening a vote of no confidence in her leadership. 

By some strange coincidence, she has suddenly stopped blurting out "strong and stable" at every given opportunity.    ::)

Could the UK be heading for a minority government?  And if no parties are willing to work with the tories due to their abhorrent policies, will that minority government be formed by Labour and one or more other parties?  If the tories can't find a working majority, the leader of the opposition can be called on to attempt to form a government instead.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June (and ensuing aftermath)
Post by: popcorn1 on June 18, 2017, 10:27:01 PM
So along with Theresa May still not having managed to reach a deal with the DUP (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/17/theresa-may-cancels-2018-queens-speech-dup-pact-hangs-balance/) (yet somehow still adamant she can negotiate with the whole European Union), her own party are turning on her (much like the papers claimed Jeremy Corbyn's own party would turn on him, but haven't).  They've given May "10 days to shape up or ship out (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-may-given-10-days-to-shape-up-or-step-down-as-leader-by-tory-mps-a3567506.html)", threatening a vote of no confidence in her leadership. 

By some strange coincidence, she has suddenly stopped blurting out "strong and stable" at every given opportunity.    ::)

Could the UK be heading for a minority government?  And if no parties are willing to work with the tories due to their abhorrent policies, will that minority government be formed by Labour and one or more other parties?  If the tories can't find a working majority, the leader of the opposition can be called on to attempt to form a government instead.
I want to BORROW and BORROW and BORROW until there is no tomorrow ..

ARR well we can do it for weapons and foreign aid we can do it for free education and free healthcare.
Funny because TV saying DUP want to remain  :D :D..

THEY WANT OUT..

All i know is most politicians are lying thieving RATS and all they do is talk BULLSHIT for MONEY..
IT'S THE JOBS to BULLSHIT ..

Never trust any of them they are all BULLSHIT :D..

And this planet is the way it is because of the BULLSHIT..

This guy knows what i mean..

George Carlin - American Bullshit - YouTube
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqd289uv4aI
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Same old bullshit from America, brought to you by the government from ... American bullshit. https://www


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June (and ensuing aftermath)
Post by: Sithara007 on June 19, 2017, 01:47:41 AM
So along with Theresa May still not having managed to reach a deal with the DUP (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/17/theresa-may-cancels-2018-queens-speech-dup-pact-hangs-balance/) (yet somehow still adamant she can negotiate with the whole European Union), her own party are turning on her (much like the papers claimed Jeremy Corbyn's own party would turn on him, but haven't).  They've given May "10 days to shape up or ship out (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-may-given-10-days-to-shape-up-or-step-down-as-leader-by-tory-mps-a3567506.html)", threatening a vote of no confidence in her leadership. 

By some strange coincidence, she has suddenly stopped blurting out "strong and stable" at every given opportunity.    ::)

Could the UK be heading for a minority government?  And if no parties are willing to work with the tories due to their abhorrent policies, will that minority government be formed by Labour and one or more other parties?  If the tories can't find a working majority, the leader of the opposition can be called on to attempt to form a government instead.

I checked the Daily Mail, and they are saying that the pact with the DUP is still not finalized. Isn't there any other option? I know that there is at least one independent MP and a few MPs from Plaid Cymru. Can't May form a government with their support?


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June (and ensuing aftermath)
Post by: DooMAD on June 19, 2017, 10:36:42 AM
So along with Theresa May still not having managed to reach a deal with the DUP (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/17/theresa-may-cancels-2018-queens-speech-dup-pact-hangs-balance/) (yet somehow still adamant she can negotiate with the whole European Union), her own party are turning on her (much like the papers claimed Jeremy Corbyn's own party would turn on him, but haven't).  They've given May "10 days to shape up or ship out (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-may-given-10-days-to-shape-up-or-step-down-as-leader-by-tory-mps-a3567506.html)", threatening a vote of no confidence in her leadership.  

By some strange coincidence, she has suddenly stopped blurting out "strong and stable" at every given opportunity.    ::)

Could the UK be heading for a minority government?  And if no parties are willing to work with the tories due to their abhorrent policies, will that minority government be formed by Labour and one or more other parties?  If the tories can't find a working majority, the leader of the opposition can be called on to attempt to form a government instead.

I checked the Daily Mail, and they are saying that the pact with the DUP is still not finalized. Isn't there any other option? I know that there is at least one independent MP and a few MPs from Plaid Cymru. Can't May form a government with their support?

The thing to bear in mind is, after you jump into bed with the tories, your reputation can take a hit once they've kicked you to the curb after they finish using you.  The Lib Dems entered into a coalition with David Cameron, but in order to do so, the Lib Dems had to abandon a significant proportion of their ideals.  They managed to negotiate a few key Lib Dem policies in, but had to concede on most of their other election pledges and play lapdog.  After the coalition ended and the Tories had an outright majority under David Cameron, many Lib Dem voters felt somewhat betrayed.  

There are some big costs and it's not a decision to be taken lightly, so May will likely struggle to find support because of this.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June (and ensuing aftermath)
Post by: gentlemand on June 19, 2017, 08:15:25 PM
I checked the Daily Mail, and they are saying that the pact with the DUP is still not finalized. Isn't there any other option? I know that there is at least one independent MP and a few MPs from Plaid Cymru. Can't May form a government with their support?

The DUP is the only one vaguely in line with their notions, though not all that much on Brexit and the less said about abortion the better.

I think they're the only game in town.

With Brexit at least it really should be a cross party deal no matter who's nominally in power. Incredible that a few moronic and fully insulated Conservative MPs can throw an entire country down the toilet because they wanted to.


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June (and ensuing aftermath)
Post by: popcorn1 on June 19, 2017, 09:05:57 PM
No one in the UK as the balls to say it..

WE WANT THE ISLAMS OUT..

But every time someone goes on TV they are to scared to say it they say IMMIGRATION ..
When really they mean the ISLAMS but wont say it..Well be bad hassle if in a job if you did say it..

So most British natives say immigrants..

Do you think we care if a German comes for a job or a French or a Spanish persons NO
IT'S THE MUSLIMS ..They rape our children and blow them up..

So all this getting out of the EU is because of the ISLAMIC MUSLIMS ..
We westerners HATE THEM.. ;D..

To all MUSLIMS ..Don't ever think we will ever like your RELIGION we will never ever like it..
WHY because we hated our own religion in the END..
It's for backward DICK BRAINS..

OMG..Theresa may

Muslims 'have the right' to use Sharia law in Britain, says activist | UK ...
www.express.co.uk › News › UK
3 Nov 2016 - Muslims 'have the RIGHT to use Sharia law in Britain', says Islamic activist .... Katie Hopkins attacks Theresa May for 'supporting Sharia law' ..... Sharia Theresa May is traitor to the UK, and did she not tell us when she was ..

Home Secretary Theresa May say many Britons 'BENEFIT GREATLY ...
www.express.co.uk › News › UK
29 May 2016 - THERESA May sparked anger by claiming many Britons “benefit a great deal” from Sharia Law. ... Top Tory Mrs May, who wants Britain to stay in the European Union, insisted the inquiry will not look into the legality of Sharia Law courts in a move designed to reassure Muslims.


THIS WOMEN IS NOT OUR LEADER..SHE IS A TRAITOR ..

This is just the start so thank TONY BLAIR and the london elite..

Don't think you will get away with it ..
If we have civil war YOU politicians homes are going on fire..

You caused this on purpose..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June (and ensuing aftermath)
Post by: popcorn1 on June 19, 2017, 09:09:08 PM
get out THERESA MAY GET OUT GET OUT ..

YOU HORRIBLE WOMEN..

You have no children so you don't care about the next lives you only care for yourself ..
Police you can treat it like a terror attack BUT 17 million treat it like REVENGE .. ;D ;D

AND YES IT'S SWEET..

Do our children again and you will see some shit then ..
Where i live you will all be shot.. :D :D ISLAMIC DIRTY TWATS..

DIE YOU FUCKERS..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June (and ensuing aftermath)
Post by: DooMAD on June 27, 2017, 08:22:59 AM
The tories have successfully bribed the DUP (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-40406396) with £1.5 Billion worth of taxpayers money in an increasingly desperate attempt to cling to power.  This has prompted MPs from Wales and Scotland to ask where their share of the money is, since funds are meant to be distributed evenly.  For seven years the tories have told us there is no "Magic Money Tree" for our NHS, for our schools, to support disabled people, to save our firestations and to avoid cutting 10000 police from our streets.  They increased the National Debt to £1.8 Trillion, increased homelessness and poverty and cut our front-line essential services to such an extent that they could no longer protect our citizens from terrorist attacks.  

Yet all of a sudden, we have ample money to throw at a bunch of scientifically illiterate, climate change denying, anti-abortion, homophobic, backwards creationists who believe the world is something like 6000 years old?  Not to mention this could jeopardise the Northern Ireland Peace Treaty.  If we can’t afford to give money to the scientists who say things like medicine and global warming require cash, how can we dispense it to a bunch of religious fanatics who think that medicine and global warming should be ignored?  And how is a bribe for votes even legal anyway?

On top of that farce, Theresa May is now planning to extend MPs' summer holidays to 3 months to delay the back-bencher rebellions which will almost certainly arise when parliament returns from recess.  A feeble and failed attempt to conceal the obvious fact that the tories are divided, in complete disarray and utterly unable to provide a functional government for this country.  The more May tries to tighten her grip, the faster it all slips through her talons.

Oh, and Brexit negotiations have been an embarrassing failure (http://www.itv.com/news/2017-06-25/david-davis-admits-britain-may-leave-eu-with-no-deal/) so far.  Plus they're still selling off the NHS in increasingly stupid and reckless ways (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-hunt-nhs-firm-nhsp-health-department-save-money-taxpayers-70-million-year-a7807911.html?cmpid=facebook-post).

Omnishambles.


//EDIT:  And they've probably broken numerous laws again in this election, making unlawful phone calls to voters in marginal seats:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RWPwdqpzO0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RWPwdqpzO0)


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June (and ensuing aftermath)
Post by: coins4masses on June 27, 2017, 04:11:24 PM
£1.5bn would be a good deal only if it got rid of Ireland altogether, not to take on board a bunch of mad misogynists. Will be interesting to see what happens in the next few months and if this will affect the anniversary of the Good Friday Agreement.

May called the elections to avoid a hung parliament but that's exactly what she got and lost her majority and jeopardized the whole Brexit negotiations. What a shameful waste of time and public money.

Money, however, they seem to have plenty of if they can afford to be involved in wars in countries that have not attacked the UK. Fortunately, and unlike Eurozone countries, they can just print more to their heart's delight. And yet, in spite of this, the NHS is going down...


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June (and ensuing aftermath)
Post by: popcorn1 on June 27, 2017, 06:13:20 PM
The tories have successfully bribed the DUP (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-40406396) with £1.5 Billion worth of taxpayers money in an increasingly desperate attempt to cling to power.  This has prompted MPs from Wales and Scotland to ask where their share of the money is, since funds are meant to be distributed evenly.  For seven years the tories have told us there is no "Magic Money Tree" for our NHS, for our schools, to support disabled people, to save our firestations and to avoid cutting 10000 police from our streets.  They increased the National Debt to £1.8 Trillion, increased homelessness and poverty and cut our front-line essential services to such an extent that they could no longer protect our citizens from terrorist attacks.  

Yet all of a sudden, we have ample money to throw at a bunch of scientifically illiterate, climate change denying, anti-abortion, homophobic, backwards creationists who believe the world is something like 6000 years old?  Not to mention this could jeopardise the Northern Ireland Peace Treaty.  If we can’t afford to give money to the scientists who say things like medicine and global warming require cash, how can we dispense it to a bunch of religious fanatics who think that medicine and global warming should be ignored?  And how is a bribe for votes even legal anyway?

On top of that farce, Theresa May is now planning to extend MPs' summer holidays to 3 months to delay the back-bencher rebellions which will almost certainly arise when parliament returns from recess.  A feeble and failed attempt to conceal the obvious fact that the tories are divided, in complete disarray and utterly unable to provide a functional government for this country.  The more May tries to tighten her grip, the faster it all slips through her talons.

Oh, and Brexit negotiations have been an embarrassing failure (http://www.itv.com/news/2017-06-25/david-davis-admits-britain-may-leave-eu-with-no-deal/) so far.  Plus they're still selling off the NHS in increasingly stupid and reckless ways (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-hunt-nhs-firm-nhsp-health-department-save-money-taxpayers-70-million-year-a7807911.html?cmpid=facebook-post).

Omnishambles.


//EDIT:  And they've probably broken numerous laws again in this election, making unlawful phone calls to voters in marginal seats:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RWPwdqpzO0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RWPwdqpzO0)

Oh come on we will end up walking you don't think we will agree on anything do you?..

So we are out like what we voted for OUT OF THE EU..

Then we get the TORIES out and labour will win the NASTY PARTY..
All they have ever done is line the super rich and the CRONIES..

Always the same and always will be I know next election we will be getting everything back and no
one will be able to do anything about it..

I also have a feeling we might have a civil war soon..

Even THE POLICE HATE the government at the moment ..

Soon they will have no one to turn to ..MPs STRUNG UP ON LAMPPOST..

All TORIES  :D :D..

I also our election have been getting FIXED for the TORIES to win Just a hunch BUT something not right..

I am not worried because the way they are carrying on they will be the most hated party in the UK soon :D :D :D..
And it will be 100 years before the TORIES will ever get back in power again..

THE NASTY PARTY ..All for the rich they don't even look after our police nurses doctors army
they abuse our service people with cuts and wage cuts and expect them to protect these
ASS HOLES..

I can see a day when the police will laugh secretly in the minds when politicians get killed :D :D..
They will all be happy..

Just hope the TORIES BUS drives off a cliff with them all in it ;D..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June (and ensuing aftermath)
Post by: popcorn1 on June 27, 2017, 06:43:39 PM
You TORIES have killed more people with your CUTS well not even cuts they are giving it away to the rich and their friends .

You have killed more people than whats in the house of commons by your nasty cuts..

So i hope ALL THE TORIES DIE..A slow death TWATS..

NHS cuts blamed for 30,000 deaths in new study | The Independent
www.independent.co.uk › News › World › Americas › US politics
17 Feb 2017 - “Relentless cuts” to the health service could be behind 30000 deaths in 2015 ... A&E waiting times at NHS hospitals 'at record levels', leak suggests ..... vulnerable older people may have died due to poor care, adding the NHS


YOU ARE MURDERERS ..And i hope the same happens to you TORIES..

So any NUT JOBS out there don't blame the public no matter what religion they are BLAME the politicians ATTACK THEM only :D :D..

Well if you feel like going NUTS attack the TORIES :D :D..

Yes and most of the uk WILL BE HAPPY  ;D..

Like when the IRA blew the hotel up..
Just missed the   THATCHER BITCH

And this how good thatcher was..

Margaret Thatcher's role in securing controversial £42bn arms deal ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › UK › UK Politics
23 Aug 2016 - Newly released files have exposed the role Margaret Thatcher ... more than a decade later the Serious Fraud Office launched an investigation...

SHE WAS A CUNT..And i was so sad they missed we all was where i lived..

And it looks like the TORIES playing the same tune as THATCHER TWAT..

So any crazies blame the politicians not ali baba or mary or javid BLAME the government..

Only if you feel the need to go NUTS  :D :D..

And it makes good news the news win and we win because we get rid of ASS HOLES..
Who MURDER OUR OWN PEOPLES by the cuts they do..

And so they can sell our NHS and have a slice of the never ending DEATH and sick monies
that they will get and forever get THE CHILDREN'S children will get a slice of the sick monies..

Public contracts to line there own pockets..

DIE TORIES..YOUR FINISHED..



Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June (and ensuing aftermath)
Post by: popcorn1 on June 27, 2017, 07:09:54 PM
Margaret Thatcher's death greeted with street parties in Brixton and ...
Video for party when maggie thatcher dies▶ 1:43
https://www.theguardian.com › Politics › Margaret Thatcher

Were gonna have a party when maggie thatcher dies - YouTube
Video for party when maggie thatcher dies▶ 0:18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N6LUR_Sq2w

MARGARET THATCHER DEAD!! Brixton Celebrates Party - Ghost ...
Video for party when maggie thatcher dies▶ 3:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikhRGrJReJ8

Liverpool Celebrates the Death of Thatcher - YouTube
Video for party when maggie thatcher dies▶ 1:16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDE0L2f9tKQ
8 Apr 2013 - Uploaded by Agarista


SO CARRY ON TORIES ..And maybe possible parties if your bus drives off a cliff..

Because many are starting to hate what you stand for.. ;D.

THE NASTY PARTY..

We don't want to live like the USA
we want a little bit of CAPITALISM and SOCIALISM  ;)..

Meaning free healthcare free schools free university for all children rich and poor..

And that will always stand WHY because i had it my parents had it
SO OUR CHILDREN WILL HAVE IT TOO.. >:( >:(..

To our YOUTH we vote LABOUR because WHY SHOULD YOU BE PUT IN DEBT..
I never so why should you?..

Please you must let LABOUR know why you voted for labour because you promised we would not be put in debt over an EDUCATION..

You make sure you are promised this pledge ..

you privatised the rail electric and many other companies YOU ARE NOT ..
privatising the NHS or SCHOOLS so you can get a cut in the private proceeds ..

GO AND DIE TWATS..

We will have a CIVIL WAR and burn the HOUSE OF COMMONS TO THE GROUND..

YOU MOTHER FUCKERS..

The NHS the POLICE the ARMY the SCHOOLS pensions and social care ARE NOT TO BE MESSED WITH..Not ever YOU SCUM BAGS..


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June (and ensuing aftermath)
Post by: popcorn1 on June 27, 2017, 07:49:15 PM
Just been talking to some parents and i believe you have lowered the student debt from this  >:( >:(.

17 Feb 2015 - 3. You might not repay the entire student loan. Any outstanding debt you owe after 30 years is written off, even if you haven't paid anything back during that time (because you weren't working or you were earning below £21,000).

AND KNOW YOU ASS HOLES.. >:( >:(..

Student Loan Repayment - Plan 1 - How repayments are calculated
www.studentloanrepayment.co.uk/portal/page?_pageid=93,6678490&_dad...
How much you will repay. Your employer will ... You may still have to make student loan repayments when you earn below £17,775 a year. This will happen ..


You TORIES are taking the piss the fact things have become more expensive LIKE RENT >:(..

You expect our future CHILDREN to be in debt?


Title: Re: UK Election on 8th June (and ensuing aftermath)
Post by: popcorn1 on June 27, 2017, 07:52:47 PM
TO our YOUTH of the UK we MUST vote them out they will put you in debt SOLE DEBT..
Meaning you are the only ones that suffer because you own the sole debt..

Now if we borrow and as a nation we are all in debt we all have to get out this debt which is much easier than 1 sole young adult racked with 60k debt and having to pay it back now when you only earn 17K ..

Don't vote TORIES anymore STUDENTS they hate you