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Title: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: dwgscale11 on April 25, 2017, 07:45:22 PM
Are you missing out on this Litecoin action or just hiding in the shadows?


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: tkk3k on April 25, 2017, 07:50:17 PM
he got banned  :-\


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Thenoticer on April 25, 2017, 07:55:18 PM

One final speculation post (and please do quote it before the cookie modsters eat it) depicting the repeating patterns I see at the large and small scale and a longer-term graphical prediction of the LTC price.

I'll be getting back to technological work now and end my public stint as a trader with this final post.

http://i.imgur.com/VkYKEK5.png (http://i.imgur.com/VkYKEK5.png)
(click to enlarge)

analysis...

The analysis is that some posters are more equal than others. Bitnet user is deleted per mods, loser users like york780 get to stay. We the readers and the internet in general get deprived of valuable viewpoints but are always allowed to read the dribble from the countless scammers who walk all over this site with impunity.



Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: cryptohunter on April 25, 2017, 08:17:14 PM
last i heard he went in on LTC so i dont think he is missing out.

maybe he is just working away hard on his new project right now and focusing on that.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: york780 on April 27, 2017, 06:03:06 PM
last i heard he went in on LTC so i dont think he is missing out.

maybe he is just working away hard on his new project right now and focusing on that.
No he's banned for ever.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: dennyd999 on April 27, 2017, 06:25:13 PM
last i heard he went in on LTC so i dont think he is missing out.

maybe he is just working away hard on his new project right now and focusing on that.
No he's banned for ever.

why??? Because he helped people ? :)


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: arnbrd on April 27, 2017, 06:43:03 PM
last i heard he went in on LTC so i dont think he is missing out.

maybe he is just working away hard on his new project right now and focusing on that.

No he's banned for ever.

No, that can not be real ?! Why has been banned ? This was someone very interesting, and probably one of the most intelligent people out there, if not the most...


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: The Pharmacist on April 27, 2017, 06:45:42 PM
he got banned  :-\
Call me a silly skeptic, but without proof I don't believe you.   He isn't a shitposter or a copy-paster, so why would he be banned?  I definitely missed it if this is true.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: dwgscale11 on April 27, 2017, 07:01:48 PM
#Free Iamnotback!


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Geraldo on April 27, 2017, 07:47:12 PM
Maybe now that he got banned he can focus on his project, buy a life.. You can find him on github by the name "shelby".


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: arnbrd on April 27, 2017, 07:54:50 PM
Maybe now that he got banned he can focus on his project, buy a life.. You can find him on github by the name "shelby".

Really this story of him being banned is something that is making me embarassed. Because you know, iamnotback this is not just iamnotback, this is a long tradition of a clever guy, because he had many accounts before.

But let be optimistic : if he is banned he could have not been able to tell it, and considering that there is not topic mentionning it in the meta section, I still hope that this is just pure fake news.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Nathan047 on April 27, 2017, 08:06:30 PM
he got banned  :-\
This is the first I have heard of this and I am kind of skeptical. Perhaps you could point us to a links that shows us if he was banned or not.

He seemed like such a good BitcoinTalk member, but then again I guess you never know. It'd be a shame to hear if he was banned.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Thenoticer on April 27, 2017, 08:10:32 PM
Maybe now that he got banned he can focus on his project, buy a life.. You can find him on github by the name "shelby".

Really this story of him being banned is something that is making me embarassed. Because you know, iamnotback this is not just iamnotback, this is a long tradition of a clever guy, because he had many accounts before.

But let be optimistic : if he is banned he could have not been able to tell it, and considering that there is not topic mentionning it in the meta section, I still hope that this is just pure fake news.

Link to his github please. There are like 500 shelbys on github.

His latest account was bitnet, which was deleted. I managed to quote his last post before it disappeared into the ether. Funny thing is, Mods deleted one of my quotes of his last post already. I'm sure we haven't heard the last of Shelby. For any of you history buffs, BTT has booted/banned many colorful characters over the years, honorable mention to MPOE PR.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: clickerz on April 27, 2017, 08:49:11 PM

Hey buddy 'Iamnotback',the community really missed you terribly.  ;D

Or maybe he has a new account but afraid to come out he might get banned again. He may violated some rules and meted his punishment but for someone he had help he is good one.We can not deny, he inspire some of the forumers here.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Dink on April 27, 2017, 09:03:27 PM
Yes RETURN ASAP, You are the only one worth reading here!... well mostly ;D



Hey buddy 'Iamnotback',the community really missed you terribly.  ;D

Or maybe he has a new account but afraid to come out he might get banned again. He may violated some rules and meted his punishment but for someone he had help he is good one.We can not deny, he inspire some of the forumers here.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Traxo on April 27, 2017, 09:30:35 PM
@iamnotback got banned, he explained it on his new account @BitNet (official) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=987318),
but his entire post history(~30 posts) got deleted on that account.

Some quotes can be found here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1663070.msg18730041#msg18730041) and here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1663070.msg18713771#msg18713771)

his github: https://github.com/shelby3
https://opensourcecontributo.rs/user/shelby3/events/1

Steemit: https://steemit.com/@anonymint

Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/user/iamnotback (he is posting there so...)


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: dennyd999 on April 27, 2017, 09:41:15 PM
Can we vote to unban his account. I find his post quite usefull!

Free iamnotback!!


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: CoinHoarder on April 27, 2017, 11:01:24 PM
That sucks for him, but it is probably for his own good (if he wants to finish his project.) It is doubtful he would ever finish his project if he continued posting here at rhe same frequency. I am developing something too, and I know that if I waste too much time here... time flies by and I get nothing done.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Leonard2016 on April 28, 2017, 05:41:47 AM
he got banned  :-\
Call me a silly skeptic, but without proof I don't believe you.   He isn't a shitposter or a copy-paster, so why would he be banned?  I definitely missed it if this is true.

i agree, he was not at all a shitposter but he was a copy paster. one day during the litecoin pump rise i visited bitcointalk and every topic i opened i saw him in it copying the same thing and pasting it in all the threads! which was very weird.

but i think he is not banned, he went away himself. most probably because he got dissapointed in his litecoin choice and it took a lot longer than he was speculating for LTC to rise and instead it got dumped and he lost money.
but that is just my guess. we may never know.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: dinofelis on April 28, 2017, 06:05:24 AM
That sucks for him, but it is probably for his own good (if he wants to finish his project.)

This.  I hope he gets to work now and stops wasting his time here.  He was useful for others (for me, a lot), but it wasn't useful for him any more.  He was wasting value for himself here.

Brilliant and at the same time totally crazy, deluded, paranoid and visionary at the same time, and totally enslaved to BCT, not capable of doing anything else than post here.  So he needs to be cured by getting banned.  It can only do him good.  I hope for him that he gets his thing finally done.

(or maybe Shelby was a group of people, financed by some dark forces  ;D who knows )


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: arnbrd on April 28, 2017, 06:31:10 AM
Well, until someone will show me a clear proof that he has been banned, the better being that someone such has hilariousandco comes here to tell it, or find in the mod log that has been banned, I refuse to believe it. I see absolutely no reason for him to be banned.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on April 28, 2017, 07:46:08 AM
I suggest if you want this post to not disappear, you must quote it numerous times.

Quoting this post means you hate censorship and that you want a decentralized forum with all data stored on a blockchain that no one can manipulate. This is technologically plausible.

@iamnotback appears to still be active on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5r6l2v/lightning_network_security_concern_and_bitcoin/dgte8fl/?context=5) and on Pastebin (https://pastebin.com/R7izKWi0) both of which are also not trustworthy because some assholes can control the centralized database. All this centralized shit must die and be replaced by decentralized blockchains.

There is no need for mods to have this authority to absolutely censor anything. Each user can choose their own mods, and the data from the blockchain can be filter for the user according to their personal choices. Different users can choose different moderators. This will be a vast improvement in degrees-of-freedom (and thus potential energy) over this forum and other shitty centralized services on the Internet. All of them are going to die, including Facebook and Google. The centralized shit will wither away and Theymos will become irrelevant.

This is war now.

“The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”

The pattern for LTC is 25 times longer in duration than the corresponding pattern from March.

Thus we'll see a low of 0.0095 more than once before we will see a high 0f 0.05 later this year. Patience is a virtue but taking profits above 0.01 every time is for the wise.

I heard that many users of this forum are still looking for a decentralized forum alternative due to Theymos taking much BTC in donations and then never improving the software of the forum.

The end of this nonsense is near.

I have to wonder whether speculating in the speculation thread was what got you banned or if it was something you said that was a little too close to the structure of a behind-the-scenes plan (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170425043232/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all)?

Will be watching price movement. Bitcoin and all of the majors (ETH, XMR, DASH, ZEC, DASH, XRP) are up except for LTC which appears to be inversely correlated. What's especially nice about that is that the possibility exists to remain entirely in crypto without having to jump out to fiat for large trading profits.

Of course, chasing money is an annoying necessity that we could all do without...

The mods deleted this post. I am now creating an copy of this page of this thread at archive.org (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170424192611/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1663070.540). The mods are censoring the information that @coinling and others asked me to provide.

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Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: kennyP on April 28, 2017, 07:55:12 AM
I suggest if you want this post to not disappear, you must quote it numerous times.

Quoting this post means you hate censorship and that you want a decentralized forum with all data stored on a blockchain that no one can manipulate. This is technologically plausible.

@iamnotback appears to still be active on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5r6l2v/lightning_network_security_concern_and_bitcoin/dgte8fl/?context=5) and on Pastebin (https://pastebin.com/R7izKWi0) both of which are also not trustworthy because some assholes can control the centralized database. All this centralized shit must die and be replaced by decentralized blockchains.

There is no need for mods to have this authority to absolutely censor anything. Each user can choose their own mods, and the data from the blockchain can be filter for the user according to their personal choices. Different users can choose different moderators. This will be a vast improvement in degrees-of-freedom (and thus potential energy) over this forum and other shitty centralized services on the Internet. All of them are going to die, including Facebook and Google. The centralized shit will wither away and Theymos will become irrelevant.

This is war now.

“The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”

The pattern for LTC is 25 times longer in duration than the corresponding pattern from March.

Thus we'll see a low of 0.0095 more than once before we will see a high 0f 0.05 later this year. Patience is a virtue but taking profits above 0.01 every time is for the wise.

I heard that many users of this forum are still looking for a decentralized forum alternative due to Theymos taking much BTC in donations and then never improving the software of the forum.

The end of this nonsense is near.

I have to wonder whether speculating in the speculation thread was what got you banned or if it was something you said that was a little too close to the structure of a behind-the-scenes plan (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170425043232/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all)?

Will be watching price movement. Bitcoin and all of the majors (ETH, XMR, DASH, ZEC, DASH, XRP) are up except for LTC which appears to be inversely correlated. What's especially nice about that is that the possibility exists to remain entirely in crypto without having to jump out to fiat for large trading profits.

Of course, chasing money is an annoying necessity that we could all do without...

The mods deleted this post. I am now creating an copy of this page of this thread at archive.org (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170424192611/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1663070.540). The mods are censoring the information that @coinling and others asked me to provide.

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Time for anonymint coin, 'Proof of Shelby'


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Traxo on April 28, 2017, 10:12:33 AM
He got banned. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18776720#msg18776720)
Any more skeptics?

I suggest if you want this post to not disappear, you must quote it numerous times.

Quoting this post means you hate censorship and that you want a decentralized forum with all data stored on a blockchain that no one can manipulate. This is technologically plausible.

@iamnotback appears to still be active on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5r6l2v/lightning_network_security_concern_and_bitcoin/dgte8fl/?context=5) and on Pastebin (https://pastebin.com/R7izKWi0) both of which are also not trustworthy because some assholes can control the centralized database. All this centralized shit must die and be replaced by decentralized blockchains.

There is no need for mods to have this authority to absolutely censor anything. Each user can choose their own mods, and the data from the blockchain can be filter for the user according to their personal choices. Different users can choose different moderators. This will be a vast improvement in degrees-of-freedom (and thus potential energy) over this forum and other shitty centralized services on the Internet. All of them are going to die, including Facebook and Google. The centralized shit will wither away and Theymos will become irrelevant.

This is war now.

“The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”

The pattern for LTC is 25 times longer in duration than the corresponding pattern from March.

Thus we'll see a low of 0.0095 more than once before we will see a high 0f 0.05 later this year. Patience is a virtue but taking profits above 0.01 every time is for the wise.

I heard that many users of this forum are still looking for a decentralized forum alternative due to Theymos taking much BTC in donations and then never improving the software of the forum.

The end of this nonsense is near.

I have to wonder whether speculating in the speculation thread was what got you banned or if it was something you said that was a little too close to the structure of a behind-the-scenes plan (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170425043232/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all)?

Will be watching price movement. Bitcoin and all of the majors (ETH, XMR, DASH, ZEC, DASH, XRP) are up except for LTC which appears to be inversely correlated. What's especially nice about that is that the possibility exists to remain entirely in crypto without having to jump out to fiat for large trading profits.

Of course, chasing money is an annoying necessity that we could all do without...

The mods deleted this post. I am now creating an copy of this page of this thread at archive.org (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170424192611/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1663070.540). The mods are censoring the information that @coinling and others asked me to provide.

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Since that post above was made, some other censorship lolz occurred (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all) other censorship lolz occurred (https://web.archive.org/web/20170425043232/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all).




Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: vapourminer on April 28, 2017, 01:09:44 PM

his github: https://github.com/shelby3
https://opensourcecontributo.rs/user/shelby3/events/1

Steemit: https://steemit.com/@anonymint

Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/user/iamnotback (he is posting there so...)

thanks for the links

I suggest if you want this post to not disappear, you must quote it numerous times.

Quoting this post means you hate censorship and that you want a decentralized forum with all data stored on a blockchain that no one can manipulate. This is technologically plausible.

@iamnotback appears to still be active on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5r6l2v/lightning_network_security_concern_and_bitcoin/dgte8fl/?context=5) and on Pastebin (https://pastebin.com/R7izKWi0) both of which are also not trustworthy because some assholes can control the centralized database. All this centralized shit must die and be replaced by decentralized blockchains.

There is no need for mods to have this authority to absolutely censor anything. Each user can choose their own mods, and the data from the blockchain can be filter for the user according to their personal choices. Different users can choose different moderators. This will be a vast improvement in degrees-of-freedom (and thus potential energy) over this forum and other shitty centralized services on the Internet. All of them are going to die, including Facebook and Google. The centralized shit will wither away and Theymos will become irrelevant.

This is war now.

“The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”

The pattern for LTC is 25 times longer in duration than the corresponding pattern from March.

Thus we'll see a low of 0.0095 more than once before we will see a high 0f 0.05 later this year. Patience is a virtue but taking profits above 0.01 every time is for the wise.

I heard that many users of this forum are still looking for a decentralized forum alternative due to Theymos taking much BTC in donations and then never improving the software of the forum.

The end of this nonsense is near.

I have to wonder whether speculating in the speculation thread was what got you banned or if it was something you said that was a little too close to the structure of a behind-the-scenes plan (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170425043232/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all)?

Will be watching price movement. Bitcoin and all of the majors (ETH, XMR, DASH, ZEC, DASH, XRP) are up except for LTC which appears to be inversely correlated. What's especially nice about that is that the possibility exists to remain entirely in crypto without having to jump out to fiat for large trading profits.

Of course, chasing money is an annoying necessity that we could all do without...

The mods deleted this post. I am now creating an copy of this page of this thread at archive.org (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170424192611/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1663070.540). The mods are censoring the information that @coinling and others asked me to provide.

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Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Fatoshi on April 28, 2017, 01:32:03 PM
The truth is he is a little belligerent and a lot arrogant.  ;D

BUT if there was anyone who had the right to be arrogant it is this guy. He got a bit surly with me but I didn't take offence like I would with 99.99% of people cause only a fool doesn't recognise when someone much much smarter in in the room. I would love to hear a discussion between him and Satoshi, I'm convinced he would make Satoshi look like a 5 year old who didn't do his sums right.

I'm glad he is not here and I hope he gets on with his project.

When his project is ready he should set up a forum or get someone dependable here to set one up. I honestly think it could in time rival this site if he does half of what he says he can do.

Good Luck Iamnotback and good health, I have my 10btc ready to invest!


* What we should do is set up a small fund for the guy so he doesn't spend all his time worrying about fricken Litecoin trading. I'll throw .1BTC into it if someone set up one from a trusted Escrow?


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Traxo on April 28, 2017, 01:44:04 PM
* What we should do is set up a small fund for the guy so he doesn't spend all his time worrying about fricken Litecoin trading.

He wanted to make us richer by giving us trading advice, so we can hopefully invest in his project.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: thejaytiesto on April 28, 2017, 03:31:22 PM
Hopefully this will speed up the release of his project. Spending a lot of time on internet forums can reach a point where it's addictive and you don't get your job done. Sometimes it helps to discuss related themes to what you are working with other people but if you post too much you'll see that you are not getting anything done. If I was him I would go 100% work mode and only come back with a whitepaper and something that can be installed on a computer so people can't accuse you of vaporware. We need a gamechanger satoshi style.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: European Central Bank on April 28, 2017, 06:28:35 PM
i think it was probably for his own good. i hate to think how many thousands of words he was writing per day.

and though alot of it was very interesting, he seems like the type of person who has absolutely zero interest in any opinion other than his own. i don't find that type of person very rewarding to be around in the end.

it'll be cool to see what happens with his coin.



Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: FunkyDuck on April 28, 2017, 07:03:26 PM
I suggest if you want this post to not disappear, you must quote it numerous times.

Quoting this post means you hate censorship and that you want a decentralized forum with all data stored on a blockchain that no one can manipulate. This is technologically plausible.

@iamnotback appears to still be active on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5r6l2v/lightning_network_security_concern_and_bitcoin/dgte8fl/?context=5) and on Pastebin (https://pastebin.com/R7izKWi0) both of which are also not trustworthy because some assholes can control the centralized database. All this centralized shit must die and be replaced by decentralized blockchains.

There is no need for mods to have this authority to absolutely censor anything. Each user can choose their own mods, and the data from the blockchain can be filter for the user according to their personal choices. Different users can choose different moderators. This will be a vast improvement in degrees-of-freedom (and thus potential energy) over this forum and other shitty centralized services on the Internet. All of them are going to die, including Facebook and Google. The centralized shit will wither away and Theymos will become irrelevant.

This is war now.

“The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”

The pattern for LTC is 25 times longer in duration than the corresponding pattern from March.

Thus we'll see a low of 0.0095 more than once before we will see a high 0f 0.05 later this year. Patience is a virtue but taking profits above 0.01 every time is for the wise.

I heard that many users of this forum are still looking for a decentralized forum alternative due to Theymos taking much BTC in donations and then never improving the software of the forum.

The end of this nonsense is near.

I have to wonder whether speculating in the speculation thread was what got you banned or if it was something you said that was a little too close to the structure of a behind-the-scenes plan (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170425043232/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all)?

Will be watching price movement. Bitcoin and all of the majors (ETH, XMR, DASH, ZEC, DASH, XRP) are up except for LTC which appears to be inversely correlated. What's especially nice about that is that the possibility exists to remain entirely in crypto without having to jump out to fiat for large trading profits.

Of course, chasing money is an annoying necessity that we could all do without...

The mods deleted this post. I am now creating an copy of this page of this thread at archive.org (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170424192611/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1663070.540). The mods are censoring the information that @coinling and others asked me to provide.

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Mutany for Shelby.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: StinkyLover on April 28, 2017, 07:20:02 PM
i think it was probably for his own good. i hate to think how many thousands of words he was writing per day.

I agree. He was very interesting but he would quote himself as proof of his own argument which I found very weird. I goaded him a lot early on. Not because I disliked him or his posts but because I wanted to goad him into getting the project finished rather than talking about it (in 20,000 words or more).

I'm just not sure any crypto he releases will solve all the problems of crypto. I just wanted him to release something... ANYTHING! It didn't have to be perfect.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: John Titor on April 28, 2017, 07:24:39 PM

his github: https://github.com/shelby3
https://opensourcecontributo.rs/user/shelby3/events/1

Steemit: https://steemit.com/@anonymint

Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/user/iamnotback (he is posting there so...)

thanks for the links

I suggest if you want this post to not disappear, you must quote it numerous times.

Quoting this post means you hate censorship and that you want a decentralized forum with all data stored on a blockchain that no one can manipulate. This is technologically plausible.

@iamnotback appears to still be active on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5r6l2v/lightning_network_security_concern_and_bitcoin/dgte8fl/?context=5) and on Pastebin (https://pastebin.com/R7izKWi0) both of which are also not trustworthy because some assholes can control the centralized database. All this centralized shit must die and be replaced by decentralized blockchains.

There is no need for mods to have this authority to absolutely censor anything. Each user can choose their own mods, and the data from the blockchain can be filter for the user according to their personal choices. Different users can choose different moderators. This will be a vast improvement in degrees-of-freedom (and thus potential energy) over this forum and other shitty centralized services on the Internet. All of them are going to die, including Facebook and Google. The centralized shit will wither away and Theymos will become irrelevant.

This is war now.

“The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”

The pattern for LTC is 25 times longer in duration than the corresponding pattern from March.

Thus we'll see a low of 0.0095 more than once before we will see a high 0f 0.05 later this year. Patience is a virtue but taking profits above 0.01 every time is for the wise.

I heard that many users of this forum are still looking for a decentralized forum alternative due to Theymos taking much BTC in donations and then never improving the software of the forum.

The end of this nonsense is near.

I have to wonder whether speculating in the speculation thread was what got you banned or if it was something you said that was a little too close to the structure of a behind-the-scenes plan (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170425043232/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all)?

Will be watching price movement. Bitcoin and all of the majors (ETH, XMR, DASH, ZEC, DASH, XRP) are up except for LTC which appears to be inversely correlated. What's especially nice about that is that the possibility exists to remain entirely in crypto without having to jump out to fiat for large trading profits.

Of course, chasing money is an annoying necessity that we could all do without...

The mods deleted this post. I am now creating an copy of this page of this thread at archive.org (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170424192611/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1663070.540). The mods are censoring the information that @coinling and others asked me to provide.

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A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

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Since that post above was made, some other censorship lolz occurred (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all).

Shelby was one of the only posters left that made coming to this forum still worth the time, if he is banned I honestly see this forum becoming irrelevant very quickly.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: FlamingFingers on April 28, 2017, 07:48:34 PM
This is so saddening. A great member in this community gets banned while tons of shitty scammers, spammers, frauds, FUDs, and untrustworthy scum are roaming on this forum. And when anyone faces a scammer/gets scammed, every staff member says, "We are sorry, but we don't ban scammers here – they are not violating this forum's rules or terms." Well, fuck those kind of rules.   


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: European Central Bank on April 28, 2017, 07:50:47 PM
this thread should be in meta and then maybe we'd get some answers from someone. unless it was self requested it doesn't really make alot of sense.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Fatoshi on April 28, 2017, 07:57:27 PM
I suggest if you want this post to not disappear, you must quote it numerous times.

Quoting this post means you hate censorship and that you want a decentralized forum with all data stored on a blockchain that no one can manipulate. This is technologically plausible.

@iamnotback appears to still be active on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5r6l2v/lightning_network_security_concern_and_bitcoin/dgte8fl/?context=5) and on Pastebin (https://pastebin.com/R7izKWi0) both of which are also not trustworthy because some assholes can control the centralized database. All this centralized shit must die and be replaced by decentralized blockchains.

There is no need for mods to have this authority to absolutely censor anything. Each user can choose their own mods, and the data from the blockchain can be filter for the user according to their personal choices. Different users can choose different moderators. This will be a vast improvement in degrees-of-freedom (and thus potential energy) over this forum and other shitty centralized services on the Internet. All of them are going to die, including Facebook and Google. The centralized shit will wither away and Theymos will become irrelevant.

This is war now.

“The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”

The pattern for LTC is 25 times longer in duration than the corresponding pattern from March.

Thus we'll see a low of 0.0095 more than once before we will see a high 0f 0.05 later this year. Patience is a virtue but taking profits above 0.01 every time is for the wise.

I heard that many users of this forum are still looking for a decentralized forum alternative due to Theymos taking much BTC in donations and then never improving the software of the forum.

The end of this nonsense is near.

I have to wonder whether speculating in the speculation thread was what got you banned or if it was something you said that was a little too close to the structure of a behind-the-scenes plan (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170425043232/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all)?

Will be watching price movement. Bitcoin and all of the majors (ETH, XMR, DASH, ZEC, DASH, XRP) are up except for LTC which appears to be inversely correlated. What's especially nice about that is that the possibility exists to remain entirely in crypto without having to jump out to fiat for large trading profits.

Of course, chasing money is an annoying necessity that we could all do without...

The mods deleted this post. I am now creating an copy of this page of this thread at archive.org (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170424192611/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1663070.540). The mods are censoring the information that @coinling and others asked me to provide.

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A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

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Since that post above was made, some other censorship lolz occurred (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all).


I'm in....


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Fatoshi on April 28, 2017, 08:03:39 PM
i think it was probably for his own good. i hate to think how many thousands of words he was writing per day.

and though alot of it was very interesting, he seems like the type of person who has absolutely zero interest in any opinion other than his own. i don't find that type of person very rewarding to be around in the end.

it'll be cool to see what happens with his coin.




What do you do when you know someone opinion is very very stupid, you ignore, refute it and yes call people out on it, it's natural. I feel like he could be a bit more polite but he only acts how we would if everyone relative to us sounded like a moron. Plus feeling sick makes people really irritable. The guy I believe is a rare breed of high functioning genius.

Fascinating guy. I would of liked to hear his ideas on Christianity as he said he tried to live like Jesus and live in poor shack areas of Philipines. Well I know the Philipines and I've been a missionary there for a short time and I know knowing Christ is not all about the poor, it's clique more than anything as you will find just as many assholes among the poor as rich. I think spiritually he certainly wasn't as mature as his logic was. Maybe...just maybe being too smart and always being right can make a person arrogant and maybe....maybe as he engaged with God, God is trying to teach him through physical and emotional suffering humbleness and maybe...once that lesson is learned he can do something great that really is God inspired and will help many people in the world. But our good ideas have to be submitted to God I believe.




Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: European Central Bank on April 28, 2017, 08:15:00 PM
What do you do when you know someone opinion is very very stupid, you ignore, refute it and yes call people out on it, it's natural. I feel like he could be a bit more polite but he only acts how we would if everyone relative to us sounded like a moron. Plus feeling sick makes people really irritable. The guy I believe is a rare breed of high functioning genius.

Fascinating guy. I would of liked to hear his ideas on Christianity as he said he tried to live like Jesus and live in poor shack areas of Philipines. Well I know the Philipines and I've been a missionary there for a short time and I know knowing Christ is not all about the poor, it's clique more than anything as you will find just as many assholes among the poor as rich. I think spiritually he certainly wasn't as mature as his logic was.

well yeah, 98 or more % of the posters here are incredibly stupid and i'd include myself in that. but there are a few very clever people hidden away and i'm not sure i ever saw another point of view taken on board by him.



Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: arnbrd on April 28, 2017, 08:41:46 PM
What do you do when you know someone opinion is very very stupid, you ignore, refute it and yes call people out on it, it's natural. I feel like he could be a bit more polite but he only acts how we would if everyone relative to us sounded like a moron. Plus feeling sick makes people really irritable. The guy I believe is a rare breed of high functioning genius.

Fascinating guy. I would of liked to hear his ideas on Christianity as he said he tried to live like Jesus and live in poor shack areas of Philipines. Well I know the Philipines and I've been a missionary there for a short time and I know knowing Christ is not all about the poor, it's clique more than anything as you will find just as many assholes among the poor as rich. I think spiritually he certainly wasn't as mature as his logic was.

well yeah, 98 or more % of the posters here are incredibly stupid and i'd include myself in that. but there are a few very clever people hidden away and i'm not sure i ever saw another point of view taken on board by him.

Yeah, I agree with you. If there is five very great posters, of course he is part of them. What I would really know would be the reason why he has been banned.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Instamined on April 28, 2017, 09:35:40 PM
The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say Iamnotback is in deep with Theymos and is actually just deleting his own stuff, pretending to be attacked by the forum.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: mprep on April 28, 2017, 09:59:22 PM
AFAIK he's permabanned for repeated streaks of trolling, breaking the 24 hour bump rule (consecutive posting) and ban evasion. If you have other questions related to it, ask.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Dink on April 28, 2017, 11:32:26 PM
Try a detailed explanation...instead of generalizations...are you the judge , jury and exicutioner as well?


AFAIK he's permabanned for repeated streaks of trolling, breaking the 24 hour bump rule (consecutive posting) and ban evasion. If you have other questions related to it, ask.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Traxo on April 29, 2017, 12:17:37 AM
AFAIK he's permabanned for repeated streaks of trolling, breaking the 24 hour bump rule (consecutive posting) and ban evasion. If you have other questions related to it, ask.

Please quote his troll posts if possible. This is interesting :)


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Viper1 on April 29, 2017, 12:36:14 AM
AFAIK he's permabanned for repeated streaks of trolling, breaking the 24 hour bump rule (consecutive posting) and ban evasion. If you have other questions related to it, ask.

Please quote his troll posts if possible. This is interesting :)

You could just go read some of those last few posts. Keep in mind this is a guy that at one point asked the mods to ban or disable his account to make him stay away. I think that was the anonymint one. Then he came back later with I think at least one other account prior to the iamnotback though I can't remember what that one was as it was well over a year ago. He has some inciteful things to say at times if you can strip away all the nutty stuff but much of the time he just comes across as a raving nutcase. Some of the stuff he's said recently, like how bitcoin was about to crash (I think it was over a week ago), how segwit had been defeated on BTC and LTC, just makes it hard to take him seriously and in the case of the LTC talk, like he was simply trying to pump LTC for his benefit

Edit: Had a look. This was one of his other accounts after he had them shut down anonymint.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=375762


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: dinofelis on April 29, 2017, 05:16:28 AM
The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say Iamnotback is in deep with Theymos and is actually just deleting his own stuff, pretending to be attacked by the forum.

In the line of his own kind of conspirational thinking, that wouldn't be a bad move to promote his bitnet work, as a tool to fight the crypto establishment.  This is the problem with conspirational thinking: you can give a conspirational explanation of about any event, and its opposite, and you always feel smart of "having seen through the smoke and mirrors of the evil and smart enemy".


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Fatoshi on April 29, 2017, 07:10:29 AM
His name was Shelby Moore......His name was Shelby Moore....His name..


Seriously I wish he would just start his project even if it needs some others to add and help. Satoshi didn't come to everyone with a perfect project but a concept and a working prototype.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: mprep on April 29, 2017, 09:06:10 AM
Try a detailed explanation...instead of generalizations...are you the judge , jury and exicutioner as well?


AFAIK he's permabanned for repeated streaks of trolling, breaking the 24 hour bump rule (consecutive posting) and ban evasion. If you have other questions related to it, ask.

AFAIK he's permabanned for repeated streaks of trolling, breaking the 24 hour bump rule (consecutive posting) and ban evasion. If you have other questions related to it, ask.

Please quote his troll posts if possible. This is interesting :)


I didn't ban him (I can't issue bans aside from nukes - permananent newbie account bans) nor have I requested the ban. I did however request a ban on one of his ban evading alts. Even if I wanted to quote his trolling, it'd be rather difficult considering that posts which break the rules get deleted. If I'm not mistaken, the iamnotback account was primarily banned for ban evasion.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: cryptohunter on April 29, 2017, 10:34:36 AM
Iamnotback was only the 5th reincarnation of the one....

When the time is right he will return...


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: kiklo on April 29, 2017, 11:59:00 AM
AFAIK he's permabanned for repeated streaks of trolling, breaking the 24 hour bump rule (consecutive posting) and ban evasion. If you have other questions related to it, ask.


1.  Who makes the final call to permaban?

2.  The guy is obsessed with posting, but he does draw in readers which ups your advertising count,
     so in the interest of freedom of speech and making the readers happy, what are the chances to change his permaban to only a month?
     
3.  Speaking as someone that has been banned for 7 days,  the process kind of sucks, because I am still not even sure what I was banned for when it happened as no link to the post that got me banned was sent to me.


 8)






Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: cryptohunter on April 29, 2017, 12:12:20 PM
AFAIK he's permabanned for repeated streaks of trolling, breaking the 24 hour bump rule (consecutive posting) and ban evasion. If you have other questions related to it, ask.


1.  Who makes the final call to permaban?

2.  The guy is obsessed with posting, but he does draw in readers which ups your advertising count,
     so in the interest of freedom of speech and making the readers happy, what are the chances to change his permaban to only a month?
     
3.  Speaking as someone that has been banned for 7 days,  the process kind of sucks, because I am still not even sure what I was banned for when it happened as no link to the post that got me banned was sent to me.


 8)






Yeah that is strange I would have thought you would be told why you are banned especially if hero or legends since it is 100 hours or 1000s to reach that level. An explanation would be good.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: arnbrd on April 29, 2017, 12:53:02 PM
Try a detailed explanation...instead of generalizations...are you the judge , jury and exicutioner as well?


AFAIK he's permabanned for repeated streaks of trolling, breaking the 24 hour bump rule (consecutive posting) and ban evasion. If you have other questions related to it, ask.

AFAIK he's permabanned for repeated streaks of trolling, breaking the 24 hour bump rule (consecutive posting) and ban evasion. If you have other questions related to it, ask.

Please quote his troll posts if possible. This is interesting :)


I didn't ban him (I can't issue bans aside from nukes - permananet newbie account bans) nor have I requested the ban. I did however request a ban on one of his ban evading alts. Even if I wanted to quote his trolling, it'd be rather difficult considering that posts which break the rules get deleted. If I'm not mistaken, the iamnotback account was primarily banned for ban evasion.

Okay, so ban evasion would be the primary reason, but why doing it just now ? He has been around for a long time, and if this is related to his other accounts, he has been telling for a long time that he was the continuation of anonymint & co. Anyway I am sad for him, he will miss me.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Traxo on April 29, 2017, 02:18:55 PM
AFAIK he's permabanned for repeated streaks of trolling, breaking the 24 hour bump rule (consecutive posting) and ban evasion. If you have other questions related to it, ask.

Please quote his troll posts if possible. This is interesting :)
<mumbling>




If I'm not mistaken, the iamnotback account was primarily banned for ban evasion.

Ok, ban evasion seems reasonable...
But gotta wonder why now (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=400235.msg16925985#msg16925985)  ??? ::)


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: mprep on April 29, 2017, 02:34:31 PM
AFAIK he's permabanned for repeated streaks of trolling, breaking the 24 hour bump rule (consecutive posting) and ban evasion. If you have other questions related to it, ask.

1.  Who makes the final call to permaban?

2.  The guy is obsessed with posting, but he does draw in readers which ups your advertising count,
     so in the interest of freedom of speech and making the readers happy, what are the chances to change his permaban to only a month?
    
3.  Speaking as someone that has been banned for 7 days,  the process kind of sucks, because I am still not even sure what I was banned for when it happened as no link to the post that got me banned was sent to me.

 8)
1) If the user is of a higher rank than Newbie, an admin or a global mod (in other words, a moderator who can issue bans). If a user is a Newbie, any patroller. Here's a breakdown of what each mod can do (from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0)):

Q:What can <insert staff member name or rank here> do?
A: Different ranks have different access to moderation tools. A quote from Salty Spitoon explains it pretty well:

<...>

Admins: can do everything imaginable on the site. They however can't delete their accounts.

Global Moderators: can perma ban, nuke newbies, see and handle reports from all sections, and see reported PMs.

Moderators: can see and handle reports from their sections and nuke newbies

Patrollers: Are essentially Moderators but can only do moderator tasks for newbie members.

<...>

2) None. Just because a user is "popular" doesn't negate the fact that he was banned for trolling on his previous account(s) and then habitually ban evaded ever since.

3) SMF forum software is rather limited in what can be conveyed via a ban message. Usually users aren't banned over a single message but rather over a pattern in their posts (e.g. mostly low value, constant trolling, etc.).



Yeah that is strange I would have thought you would be told why you are banned especially if hero or legends since it is 100 hours or 1000s to reach that level. An explanation would be good.
AFAIK there usually is a ban message briefly specifying why he was banned (e.g "Trolling").



Ok, ban evasion seems reasonable...
But gotta wonder why now (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=400235.msg16925985#msg16925985)  ??? ::)
Okay, so ban evasion would be the primary reason, but why doing it just now ? He has been around for a long time, and if this is related to his other accounts, he has been telling for a long time that he was the continuation of anonymint & co. Anyway I am sad for him, he will miss me.
We're not omnipotent beings floating in the ether, capable of processing information at the speed of light. Since none of the moderators happened to stumble upon his writings about how he's an alt of a banned account (though looking through the ban requests, one of the mods did mention his strong suspicions around the middle of last year about him ban evading but I'm not sure whether this was investigated further or acted upon) and nobody reported it, it went unnoticed up until recently. When one of the mods noticed, a ban was issued.


I'm moving this to Meta since there seems to be primarily forum related discussion going on.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: theheolyn on April 30, 2017, 11:19:13 AM

his github: https://github.com/shelby3
https://opensourcecontributo.rs/user/shelby3/events/1

Steemit: https://steemit.com/@anonymint

Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/user/iamnotback (he is posting there so...)

thanks for the links

I suggest if you want this post to not disappear, you must quote it numerous times.

Quoting this post means you hate censorship and that you want a decentralized forum with all data stored on a blockchain that no one can manipulate. This is technologically plausible.

@iamnotback appears to still be active on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5r6l2v/lightning_network_security_concern_and_bitcoin/dgte8fl/?context=5) and on Pastebin (https://pastebin.com/R7izKWi0) both of which are also not trustworthy because some assholes can control the centralized database. All this centralized shit must die and be replaced by decentralized blockchains.

There is no need for mods to have this authority to absolutely censor anything. Each user can choose their own mods, and the data from the blockchain can be filter for the user according to their personal choices. Different users can choose different moderators. This will be a vast improvement in degrees-of-freedom (and thus potential energy) over this forum and other shitty centralized services on the Internet. All of them are going to die, including Facebook and Google. The centralized shit will wither away and Theymos will become irrelevant.

This is war now.

“The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”

The pattern for LTC is 25 times longer in duration than the corresponding pattern from March.

Thus we'll see a low of 0.0095 more than once before we will see a high 0f 0.05 later this year. Patience is a virtue but taking profits above 0.01 every time is for the wise.

I heard that many users of this forum are still looking for a decentralized forum alternative due to Theymos taking much BTC in donations and then never improving the software of the forum.

The end of this nonsense is near.

I have to wonder whether speculating in the speculation thread was what got you banned or if it was something you said that was a little too close to the structure of a behind-the-scenes plan (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170425043232/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all)?

Will be watching price movement. Bitcoin and all of the majors (ETH, XMR, DASH, ZEC, DASH, XRP) are up except for LTC which appears to be inversely correlated. What's especially nice about that is that the possibility exists to remain entirely in crypto without having to jump out to fiat for large trading profits.

Of course, chasing money is an annoying necessity that we could all do without...

The mods deleted this post. I am now creating an copy of this page of this thread at archive.org (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170424192611/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1663070.540). The mods are censoring the information that @coinling and others asked me to provide.

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A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Quote
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Since that post above was made, some other censorship lolz occurred (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all).

Shelby was one of the only posters left that made coming to this forum still worth the time, if he is banned I honestly see this forum becoming irrelevant very quickly.

Agreed!... Wish he takes time to work on his project though!


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on April 30, 2017, 07:30:41 PM
As usual, quote this if you don't want it to disappear.

This will be the final post.

When the time is right he will return...

No. He will never return to this forum nor any other website that has a database that is not open sourced on a blockchain.

He was asked to continue posting on Reddit in the interim; and his response was that he would not contribute content to any more centralized databases.

He is now on a mission to destroy (replace) all centralized websites on the Internet.

Are you missing out on this Litecoin action or just hiding in the shadows?

He has stated to us in private (Crypto.cat chat) that there is a high probability that LTC will decline to the 0.0107 - 0.0112 region before noon on May 1 UTC, and that would be a firm bottom. His prediction for the next major top some weeks later is 0.016+. The ATH of 0.05 is on the longer-term horizon.

He had also predicted the rise from 0.01017 to 0.0122, because it is mimicking the pattern from late March and early April (see the crash low and rebound and crash again in early April). The intersections of the Fibonnaci concentric circles is also providing these predictions for inflection points.

 
3.  Speaking as someone that has been banned for 7 days,  the process kind of sucks

Banning and deleting posts is inane busywork that will end forever with the introduction of decentralized databases on blockchains.

With a decentralized database stored on the blockchain, it is impossible to censor information. See Steemit.com as an example, with busy.org as an alternative view on the same open sourced database on a blockchain. Each user can elect mods which that user's client employs to filter the database. Deletes and bans can occur, but only for that user's choice of filter on the database. Each user can select a different moderation set filter (i.e. choose different mods), which provides degrees-of-freedom to everyone. More degrees-of-freedom, means more potential energy and thus exponentially greater network effects and value created. The actual data on the database is never deleted. Other users can choose to view the data and nobody can permaban or fully censor anyone. This solves the spam problem while also eliminating the need to censor. So of course this decentralized open source databases paradigm will (eventually over time) destroy BCT (and all other centralized databases).

Ok, ban evasion seems reasonable...

Reasonable ??? It is an inane, centralized paradigm of busywork nonsense.

Okay, so ban evasion would be the primary reason

It is an inane busywork which only makes sense because either because a) the forum software hasn't been improved so each users can choose their own moderator set, or b) Theymos likes centralized control. Or laziness and lack of vision for the future.

2. but he does draw in readers which ups your advertising count, so in the interest of freedom of speech and making the readers happy, what are the chances to change his permaban to only a month?

2) None. Just because a user is "popular" doesn't negate the fact that he was banned for trolling on his previous account(s) and then habitually ban evaded ever since.

Lol. BCT is being perma-banned, not @iamnotback.

Your Luddite paradigm and archaic perspective is being disrupted.

AFAIK he's permabanned

Try a detailed explanation...instead of generalizations...are you the judge , jury and exicutioner as well?

They are their own executioners (of their centralized paradigm).

We're not omnipotent beings floating in the ether, capable of processing information at the speed of light.

That is yet another reason why centralized selection of moderators for all users is inane. With decentralized databases, users will be able to create decentralized moderator choices unsupervised and at-will. A permissionless system is the future. An Inverse Commons.

All the centralized shit will die. The Luddites thought that cottage industry would not be replaced by mass production factories. The old guard always is blindsided when the evolution comes that disrupts their paradigm.

I'm glad he is not here and I hope he gets on with his project.

... Wish he takes time to work on his project though!

He is. He is not posting any where, except on Github and technical work.

Github will also be disrupted by Bitnet. All that centralized shit will be disrupted.

especially if hero or legends since it is 100 hours or 1000s to reach that level.

@iamnotback and his various accounts was double of Legendary (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=400235.msg16925985#msg16925985). This is the problem with things which are not open sourced. Theymos has attempted to steal @iamnotback's four year investment.

Centralized shit will die because it destroys value. The end is near of this inane, value-destructive nonsense.

BCT is becoming a small echo chamber because of the inability of it to tolerate growth of ideas and styles of communication.

The centralized paradigm is very inflexible and eventually suffocates itself.

Satoshi didn't come to everyone with a perfect project but a concept and a working prototype.

Satoshi/Bitcoin was a $multi-million project of the shadow elite over a decade or more. @iamnotback is one dude who is undergoing 24 weeks of delirium inducing, toxic medications for Tuberculosis.

You're wishes for instantaneous gratification are not realistic. Go Tweet instead and leave the serious work for the people who have a decade of patience.

The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say Iamnotback is in deep with Theymos and is actually just deleting his own stuff, pretending to be attacked by the forum.

And another possible conspiracy is that your mother was a pig who fornicated with a caterpillar.

inciteful

Well since you can't spell, then that could explain why you can't comprehend certain things.

nutty stuff ... how bitcoin was about to crash

He predicted on April 2 that BTC could not make significant new ATHs until LTC significantly caught up.

See that double-top at $1350 for BTC.

 ;)

how segwit had been defeated on BTC and LTC

Incorrect. He wrote that BTC will never get SegWit (never get LN scaling) and LTC will. And LTC did get it, as he predicted.

His negative comments about SegWit on LTC were about the near-term (week or so) manipulation by the Chinese miners, but not the longer-term outcome.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: kennyP on April 30, 2017, 09:56:11 PM
As usual, quote this if you don't want it to disappear.

This will be the final post.

When the time is right he will return...

No. He will never return to this forum nor any other website that has a database that is not open sourced on a blockchain.

He was asked to continue posting on Reddit in the interim; and his response was that he would not contribute content to any more centralized databases.

He is now on a mission to destroy (replace) all centralized websites on the Internet.

Are you missing out on this Litecoin action or just hiding in the shadows?

He has stated to us in private (Crypto.cat chat) that there is a high probability that LTC will decline to the 0.0107 - 0.0112 region before noon on May 1 UTC, and that would be a firm bottom. His prediction for the next major top some weeks later is 0.016+. The ATH of 0.05 is on the longer-term horizon.

He had also predicted the rise from 0.01017 to 0.0122, because it is mimicking the pattern from late March and early April (see the crash low and rebound and crash again in early April). The intersections of the Fibonnaci concentric circles is also providing these predictions for inflection points.

 
3.  Speaking as someone that has been banned for 7 days,  the process kind of sucks

Banning and deleting posts is inane busywork that will end forever with the introduction of decentralized databases on blockchains.

With a decentralized database stored on the blockchain, it is impossible to censor information. See Steemit.com as an example, with busy.org as an alternative view on the same open sourced database on a blockchain. Each user can elect mods which that user's client employs to filter the database. Deletes and bans can occur, but only for that user's choice of filter on the database. Each user can select a different moderation set filter (i.e. choose different mods), which provides degrees-of-freedom to everyone. More degrees-of-freedom, means more potential energy and thus exponentially greater network effects and value created. The actual data on the database is never deleted. Other users can choose to view the data and nobody can permaban or fully censor anyone. This solves the spam problem while also eliminating the need to censor. So of course this decentralized open source databases paradigm will (eventually over time) destroy BCT (and all other centralized databases).

Ok, ban evasion seems reasonable...

Reasonable ??? It is an inane, centralized paradigm of busywork nonsense.

Okay, so ban evasion would be the primary reason

It is an inane busywork which only makes sense because either because a) the forum software hasn't been improved so each users can choose their own moderator set, or b) Theymos likes centralized control. Or laziness and lack of vision for the future.

2. but he does draw in readers which ups your advertising count, so in the interest of freedom of speech and making the readers happy, what are the chances to change his permaban to only a month?

2) None. Just because a user is "popular" doesn't negate the fact that he was banned for trolling on his previous account(s) and then habitually ban evaded ever since.

Lol. BCT is being perma-banned, not @iamnotback.

Your Luddite paradigm and archaic perspective is being disrupted.

AFAIK he's permabanned

Try a detailed explanation...instead of generalizations...are you the judge , jury and exicutioner as well?

They are their own executioners (of their centralized paradigm).

We're not omnipotent beings floating in the ether, capable of processing information at the speed of light.

That is yet another reason why centralized selection of moderators for all users is inane. With a decentralized databases, users will be able to create decentralized moderator choices unsupervised and at-will. A permissionless system is the future. An Inverse Commons.

All the centralized shit will die. The Luddites thought that cottage industry would not be replaced by mass production factories. The old guard always is blindsided when the evolution comes that disrupts their paradigm.

I'm glad he is not here and I hope he gets on with his project.

... Wish he takes time to work on his project though!

He is. He is not posting any where, except on Github and technical work.

Github will also be disrupted by Bitnet. All that centralized shit will be disrupted.

especially if hero or legends since it is 100 hours or 1000s to reach that level.

@iamnotback and his various accounts was double of Legendary. This is the problem with things which are not open sourced. Theymos has attempted to steal @iamnotback's four year investment.

Centralized shit will die because it destroys value. The end is near of this inane, value-destructive nonsense.

BCT is becoming a small echo chamber because of the inability of it to tolerate growth of ideas and styles of communication.

The centralized paradigm is very inflexible and eventually suffocates itself.

Satoshi didn't come to everyone with a perfect project but a concept and a working prototype.

Satoshi/Bitcoin was a $multi-million project of the shadow elite over a decade or more. @iamnotback is one dude who is undergoing 24 weeks of delirium inducing, toxic medications for Tuberculosis.

You're wishes for instantaneous gratification are not realistic. Go Tweet instead and leave the serious work for the people who have a decade of patience.

The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say Iamnotback is in deep with Theymos and is actually just deleting his own stuff, pretending to be attacked by the forum.

And another possible conspiracy is that your mother was a pig who fornicated with a caterpillar.

inciteful

Well since you can't spell, then that could explain why you can't comprehend certain things.

nutty stuff ... how bitcoin was about to crash

He predicted on April 2 that BTC could not make significant new ATHs until LTC significantly caught up.

See that double-top at $1350 for BTC.

 ;)

how segwit had been defeated on BTC and LTC

Incorrect. He wrote that BTC will never get SegWit (never get LN scaling) and LTC will. And LTC did get it, as he predicted.

His negative comments about SegWit on LTC were about the near-term (week or so) manipulation by the Chinese miners, but not the longer-term outcome.

Censorship in the crypto community is absolutely scandalous!!


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: mprep on April 30, 2017, 11:40:57 PM
I see "iamnotback" is back (intentionally​ (?) ironic choice of username for a ban evader) again. If you're planning to post (if you're going to follow through with your promises, then I guess not) outside of here, don't. Talking about your ban in Meta is fine - posting outside isn't (and I already had to delete a few of those).

Also, to anyone quoting the post "for posterity", that's a myth. Most moderators when deleting a post, usually wipe any posts that quoted it (if it relied on the quoted content) or edit it out (if it didn't).


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 01, 2017, 12:34:58 AM
I see "iamnotback" is back (intentionally​ (?) ironic choice of username for a ban evader) again. If you're planning to post (if you're going to follow through with your promises, then I guess not) outside of here, don't. Talking about your ban in Meta is fine - posting outside isn't (and I already had to delete a few of those).

Also, to anyone quoting the post "for posterity", that's a myth. Most moderators when deleting a post, usually wipe any posts that quoted it (if it relied on the quoted content) or edit it out (if it didn't).

Fuck you. Fuck Theymos. United we will destroy your business and replace them with honest and open sourced improvements.

All of your corrupt censorship is being permanently recorded (http://20170501013702/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.0;all) and will become a permanent record all to permanently ban your corrupt businesses soon.

Delete the entire thread if you dare. Pussies.

The username represents the end of Bitcointalk is near. You are so clueless, you didn't even get the point.

You are pissing off a lot of users.

Are you going to delete every user who posts about Bitnet when it is kicking ass on everything. That will be your demise.

Edit: you don't seem to understand that your positions of authority are granted by the community and are not an absolute privilege to run roughshod amok on common sense. You may think you are acting out of common sense but it is only because you are clueless and mindless idiots. Try again to read my prior post and wrap your mind around the disruption that will put an end to the abuse of the community. I hate corruption and especially I hate little pompous privileged pussies who hide behind the wire while they abuse and steal the investment of others.

The reason closed source is so onerous (and the reason that open source is kicking ass on closed source) is no one serious invests in closed source, because they can lose their entire investment as BCT is doing to the investment made by Shelby Moore III in the community and arena. Don't trust me, this is the Crossing the Rubicon moment.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: kennyP on May 01, 2017, 12:41:45 AM
I see "iamnotback" is back (intentionally​ (?) ironic choice of username for a ban evader) again. If you're planning to post (if you're going to follow through with your promises, then I guess not) outside of here, don't. Talking about your ban in Meta is fine - posting outside isn't (and I already had to delete a few of those).

Also, to anyone quoting the post "for posterity", that's a myth. Most moderators when deleting a post, usually wipe any posts that quoted it (if it relied on the quoted content) or edit it out (if it didn't).

Why was 'iamnotback' banned in the first place? He has been a significant contributor on this forum for many years, highly respected for his analysis, and he has educated many forum users on a wide range of topics. He deserved more respect, looks like you banned a significant and important 'voice' in the crypto space just because what he says and does annoyed you ... that's weak & cowardly.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Traxo on May 01, 2017, 12:45:59 AM
Ok, ban evasion seems reasonable...
Reasonable ??? It is an inane, centralized paradigm of busywork nonsense.

Only in terms of this centralized nonsense oligarchy, yeah.
If they decided to keep @iamnotback off their lawn, it makes sense to ban his alts as well.

They have rules to follow, no exceptions, e.g.
Just because a user is "popular" doesn't negate the fact that he was banned for trolling on his previous account(s) and then habitually ban evaded ever since.

I hope Shelby puts an end to these systems soon.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Viper1 on May 01, 2017, 01:31:38 AM
nutty stuff ... how bitcoin was about to crash

He predicted on April 2 that BTC could not make significant new ATHs until LTC significantly caught up.

See that double-top at $1350 for BTC.

 ;)

how segwit had been defeated on BTC and LTC

Incorrect. He wrote that BTC will never get SegWit (never get LN scaling) and LTC will. And LTC did get it, as he predicted.

His negative comments about SegWit on LTC were about the near-term (week or so) manipulation by the Chinese miners, but not the longer-term outcome.

Sell all crypto-currency to fiat IMMEDIATELY. BTC will dive -30%. Altcoins will decline even more. SegWit and scaling has been defeated on both Bitcoin and (at least near-term) also Litecoin. Also there are macroeconomics things going on which will also hit gold and every asset except USD. Store your money in USD or altcoin USDT (dollar peg) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1871567.0) temporarily until this dip has concluded

Perhaps your idea of "near term" is different to most.

I don't really want to poke at you as I find a lot of things you discuss highly informative. But I really can't stand half truths, lies or misleading statements when people's money is at stake. I don't really think that's your intent.

Some advice from someone who's a bit older than you and has "wasted" more than just 3 years "thinking" about a problem as opposed to actually doing. Start doing something. Doesn't matter if you know part of it won't work. Doing something often clarifies and focuses the thought process enabling one to make that final break through. When you spend a ton of time just thinking about a particular problem, you inevitably lock yourself into that cycle and it's very hard to break out of it as it's so "comfortable". I suspect you have the ability to eventually work out the problems you're struggling with and I look forward to that. However, I'd also suggest you start thinking outside the box as opposed to confining yourself to what currently exists. Off the top of my head, perhaps there's something in nature, biology etc that might trigger a thought that could be adapted mathematically i.e. something that completely changes some aspect(s) of the current idea set (like the blockchain itself perhaps) that would then allow other problems to be dealt with in completely different ways. Good luck to you.









Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 01, 2017, 01:41:21 AM
Perhaps your idea of "near term" is different to most.

Misunderstanding someone by taking one sentence out-of-context in one of 100s of posts is not a valid reason for banning someone. This thread is about banning, not about whether we agree or disagree with a person's commentary or priorities.

You see the misunderstandings and complaints are endless (which was the original reason for the perma-ban because Ethereum shills complained about Shelby's loud mouthed technological fact finding). That is why BCT can become nothing other than a useless echo chamber, because anyone who dares speaks something controversial and fights with the dozens of people determined to bury alternative viewpoints, will of course be called a 'troll'.

The only solution is a decentralized database and every user can choose their own moderators so different users see posts deleted and some don't. Then everyone has freedom to get their way.

Any way, I am wasting time replying to you.

Goodbye BCT, you're going away.

P.S. Shelby doesn't need your advice. He has created million user software businesses all by himself. He certainly didn't need your advice to accomplish it more than once before. Frankly not to be a jerk, but your words are useless.

Everyone is so self-important, but really we are not.

But I can predict with high likelihood that Shelby will personally have will (eventually) have 100s if not 1000s of followers of his writings in the new decentralized paradigm. Not so important, but more than who care what @mprep has to say about anything.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Viper1 on May 01, 2017, 01:51:21 AM
Everyone is so self-important, but really we are not.
This is the only real truth in that post. Good luck.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: dinofelis on May 01, 2017, 04:58:32 AM
I see "iamnotback" is back (intentionally​ (?) ironic choice of username for a ban evader) again. If you're planning to post (if you're going to follow through with your promises, then I guess not) outside of here, don't. Talking about your ban in Meta is fine - posting outside isn't (and I already had to delete a few of those).

Also, to anyone quoting the post "for posterity", that's a myth. Most moderators when deleting a post, usually wipe any posts that quoted it (if it relied on the quoted content) or edit it out (if it didn't).

Why was 'iamnotback' banned in the first place? He has been a significant contributor on this forum for many years, highly respected for his analysis, and he has educated many forum users on a wide range of topics. He deserved more respect, looks like you banned a significant and important 'voice' in the crypto space just because what he says and does annoyed you ... that's weak & cowardly.

It is pretty ironic to see people who think they understand the long-term game theory of past evil planners, not understand the obvious "game theory" of discussion forums, thinking that discussion forums are just that: generously put up places of free speech discussion.  If access to a discussion forum is free, then you are the product, of course.  So you have to understand that, or the forum won't buy your product any more.  If you play it well, you can use the free publicity of the forum to get more audience than you would on your own, but the price to pay is that you deliver for the purpose of the forum (which is not "free speech" but looks enough like it to be credible).  In other words, a forum is a team, owned by some, and if you want to profit from the team, you have to pay your price.  Thinking that you can get your profit without paying the price, is the kind of error that leads to being banned.  So you have to understand the price you need to pay, to get out of it what you want or need.



Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Proof of Bullshit on May 01, 2017, 05:12:59 AM
No. He will never return to this forum.
Wow, this is such a good news. I am so happy.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: iTradeChips on May 01, 2017, 05:38:43 AM
Yes RETURN ASAP, You are the only one worth reading here!... well mostly ;D



Hey buddy 'Iamnotback',the community really missed you terribly.  ;D

Or maybe he has a new account but afraid to come out he might get banned again. He may violated some rules and meted his punishment but for someone he had help he is good one.We can not deny, he inspire some of the forumers here.


Shelby Moore III where are you buddy. you are really missed here. we are waiting on your BitNet project and of course your trading predictions. keep it coming man i hope you are well these days


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: dinofelis on May 01, 2017, 09:57:02 AM
The only solution is a decentralized database and every user can choose their own moderators so different users see posts deleted and some don't. Then everyone has freedom to get their way.

This used to exist, in a rudimentary way: usenet, and NNTP. 
For the younger ones:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

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One notable difference between a BBS or web forum and Usenet is the absence of a central server and dedicated administrator. Usenet is distributed among a large, constantly changing conglomeration of servers that store and forward messages to one another in so-called news feeds. Individual users may read messages from and post messages to a local server operated by a commercial usenet provider, their Internet service provider, university, employer, or their own server.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: mprep on May 01, 2017, 11:48:07 AM
Fuck you. Fuck Theymos. United we will destroy your business and replace them with honest and open sourced improvements.
Great. I'll be waiting for said open source improvements.

All of your corrupt censorship is being permanently recorded (http://20170501013702/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.0;all) and will become a permanent record all to permanently ban your corrupt businesses soon.
Not quite sure how moderating a privately owned forum according to a set of rules is corrupt, but sure, whatever.

Delete the entire thread if you dare. Pussies.
I would, if it broke the rules. It doesn't so I don't. Not exactly hard to understand, isn't it?

The username represents the end of Bitcointalk is near. You are so clueless, you didn't even get the point.
I feel your username is much more suited to reflect your status as a serial ban evader.

You are pissing off a lot of users.
No, I'm pissing off a condescending, self-entitled troll, who despite hating Bitcointalk (and all it's centralised counterparts) is surprisingly resilient in trying to continue to participate in discussions within it. Your self-righteous ass couldn't even follow through on your "This will be the final post." promise the second you got mentioned - gotta feed that over-inflated ego, amirite?

Are you going to delete every user who posts about Bitnet when it is kicking ass on everything. That will be your demise.
If your project really kicks off to such a degree, I really doubt I'll need to do anything. "It's going to replace all the centralized shit" was something you kept going on about, wasn't it? However, while it's still in it's infancy, it's going to have to abide by Bitcointalk's rules if it wants to stay here.

Edit: you don't seem to understand that your positions of authority are granted by the community and are not an absolute privilege to run roughshod amok on common sense. You may think you are acting out of common sense but it is only because you are clueless and mindless idiots. Try again to read my prior post and wrap your mind around the disruption that will put an end to the abuse of the community. I hate corruption and especially I hate little pompous privileged pussies who hide behind the wire while they abuse and steal the investment of others.
My position was granted by theymos, in order to moderate a part of this community according to his principles and ideas. If you were to have paid attention to at least a single sticky in the Altcoin forums, you might've noticed that I've compiled a list of such rules. Also, rather ironic for a man with an ego as huge as a skyscraper to accuse someone else of being "pompous privileged pussies".

The reason closed source is so onerous (and the reason that open source is kicking ass on closed source) is no one serious invests in closed source, because they can lose their entire investment as BCT is doing to the investment made by Shelby Moore III in the community and arena. Don't trust me, this is the Crossing the Rubicon moment.
Sure, not like any of the massive crypto business (such as the biggest exchanges, major altcoins, etc.) have a thread here. /s

Anyway, since your decentralised forum idea is so revolutionary, how about you focus on working on it instead of trolling, promoting it in a forum you hate, complaining about how moderation is the literal devil and trying to seek validation for your fragile self-esteem here.



I see "iamnotback" is back (intentionally​ (?) ironic choice of username for a ban evader) again. If you're planning to post (if you're going to follow through with your promises, then I guess not) outside of here, don't. Talking about your ban in Meta is fine - posting outside isn't (and I already had to delete a few of those).

Also, to anyone quoting the post "for posterity", that's a myth. Most moderators when deleting a post, usually wipe any posts that quoted it (if it relied on the quoted content) or edit it out (if it didn't).

Why was 'iamnotback' banned in the first place? He has been a significant contributor on this forum for many years, highly respected for his analysis, and he has educated many forum users on a wide range of topics. He deserved more respect, looks like you banned a significant and important 'voice' in the crypto space just because what he says and does annoyed you ... that's weak & cowardly.
According to other mods who dealt with his antics (I've merely reported one of his alts), he's been banned multiple times under numerous other accounts for trolling (which ended up with him finally getting a permaban and thus him ban evading to circumvent that). He has shown a complete disregard to the forum's rules to such a degree that I don't think any sort of reputation is going to help him.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Fragbait on May 01, 2017, 12:46:25 PM
Why was 'iamnotback' banned in the first place? He has been a significant contributor on this forum for many years, highly respected for his analysis, and he has educated many forum users on a wide range of topics. He deserved more respect, looks like you banned a significant and important 'voice' in the crypto space just because what he says and does annoyed you ... that's weak & cowardly.
According to other mods who dealt with his antics (I've merely reported one of his alts), he's been banned multiple times under numerous other accounts for trolling (which ended up with him finally getting a permaban and thus him ban evading to circumvent that). He has shown a complete disregard to the forum's rules to such a degree that I don't think any sort of reputation is going to help him.

So the underlying reason for ban is trolling. It's such a convenient rule that can be applied basically to every user here. Still there are thousands of users who are not banned.

What I have noticed is that he doesn't have patience for Dunning Krugers, so if he lets you (the general you) have it (and as he often does, quite bluntly so) perhaps instead of getting offended and taking the easy way out by labeling it as trolling you might consider evaluating your own knowledge about the subject and perhaps getting wiser by the process.

That would require people eating the humble pie though and knowing the human nature that won't happen so we are where we are. You can't force people to accept what they want to deny. We'll just have to wait and see how the things will play out eventually.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: John Titor on May 01, 2017, 01:38:48 PM
Wow, the mods of Bitcointalk really are disgusting human beings.  Banning one of the only good posters they had left, but leaving signature campaigns alive and well, and doing nothing about the litany of scams being pushed through their site since early 2014.

mprep and Theymos, you are both terrible human beings and you are deliberately slowing down the advancement of crypto through your actions.
 I don't know how you guys sleep at night


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: mprep on May 01, 2017, 02:02:51 PM
Why was 'iamnotback' banned in the first place? He has been a significant contributor on this forum for many years, highly respected for his analysis, and he has educated many forum users on a wide range of topics. He deserved more respect, looks like you banned a significant and important 'voice' in the crypto space just because what he says and does annoyed you ... that's weak & cowardly.
According to other mods who dealt with his antics (I've merely reported one of his alts), he's been banned multiple times under numerous other accounts for trolling (which ended up with him finally getting a permaban and thus him ban evading to circumvent that). He has shown a complete disregard to the forum's rules to such a degree that I don't think any sort of reputation is going to help him.

So the underlying reason for ban is trolling. It's such a convenient rule that can be applied basically to every user here. Still there are thousands of users who are not banned.

What I have noticed is that he doesn't have patience for Dunning Krugers, so if he lets you (the general you) have it (and as he often does, quite bluntly so) perhaps instead of getting offended and taking the easy way out by labeling it as trolling you might consider evaluating your own knowledge about the subject and perhaps getting wiser by the process.

That would require people eating the humble pie though and knowing the human nature that won't happen so we are where we are. You can't force people to accept what they want to deny. We'll just have to wait and see how the things will play out eventually.

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So the underlying reason for ban is trolling. It's such a convenient rule that can be applied basically to every user here. Still there are thousands of users who are not banned.
That's why this guideline exists (from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0)):

<...>
However, trolling isn't allowed. If a user is habitually posting obviously false nonsense ("obviously false nonsense" to an outsider, NOT to someone who follows or is involved in the discussion) just to stir up trouble, then it's considered trolling, which is prohibited. Such cases should be thoroughly documented in the report though (There are tons of reports that just say "trolling", but moderators don't have time to look through each user's post).

You all seem to forget that I neither issued the bans (I requested for one on one of his ban evading accounts) nor have I AFAIK personally dealt with his previous alts. However, his demeanor and current actions (habitual ban evasion) signals me that it isn't far from the truth. Me labeling him as a troll wasn't because he disagreed with me, the forum's rules or the validity of his ban, it's because alongside the aforementioned actions and demeanor, he seems to behave like one whenever he hangs around here (e.g dismissing opinions because he "created million user software businesses all by himself" so other people's "words are useless", while continuing to instigate pointless, nonconstructive conflict for the heck of it).

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What I have noticed is that he doesn't have patience for Dunning Krugers, so if he lets you (the general you) have it (and as he often does, quite bluntly so) perhaps instead of getting offended and taking the easy way out by labeling it as trolling you might consider evaluating your own knowledge about the subject and perhaps getting wiser by the process.

That would require people eating the humble pie though and knowing the human nature that won't happen so we are where we are. You can't force people to accept what they want to deny. We'll just have to wait and see how the things will play out eventually.
Just like he dislikes people who think they're superior based on their position rather than capability (not quite sure why moderating the forum based on guidelines provided by the owner would make me that but who am I decide), I can't stomach self-entitled and/or self-righteous smug hypocrites with massive egos. While I agree that he makes some valid points (e.g. the general fragility of any centralized system), I can't respect someone who neither respects (both verbally and with his actions) the forum, it's moderation team nor me (the other side of the discussion) while also exhibiting the aforementioned character traits.



Wow, the mods of Bitcointalk really are disgusting human beings.  Banning one of the only good posters they had left, but leaving signature campaigns alive and well, and doing nothing about the litany of scams being pushed through their site since early 2014.

mprep and Theymos, you are both terrible human beings and you are deliberately slowing down the advancement of crypto through your actions.
 I don't know how you guys sleep at night

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Wow, the mods of Bitcointalk really are disgusting human beings.
[X] Call someone "disgusting human being" because you disagree with how they manage a privately owned forum.

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Banning one of the only good posters they had left, but leaving signature campaigns alive and well, and doing nothing about the litany of scams being pushed through their site since early 2014.
[X] Ignore https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1684035.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1684035.0) as well as countless efforts by global mods to reduce sig spam while still maintaining a free space for constructive discussion.
[X] Ignore explanation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0#post_faq (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0#post_faq)) why possible scams aren't moderated and instead of reporting them to the authorities actually equipped with dealing with such matters, complain about it in a random thread.

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mprep and Theymos, you are both terrible human beings and you are deliberately slowing down the advancement of crypto through your actions.
 I don't know how you guys sleep at night
[X] Make sure to finish off the post with another guilt trip, since your opinion is always right.

/s

If you don't like it here, feel free to start a new forum, get it popular and then fairly handle each and every scam accusation when there's hundreds of reports coming in every day, most of whom contain shaky/untrustworthy evidence, questionable witnesses while also lacking the capabilities the authorities have (e.g. valid court orders to discover identity of users or retrieve evidence, countless of highly-trained professionals in different fields (judges, investigators, etc.), several hundreds to sometimes thousands of years of laws and judicial practice governing how each case should be processed), who with all that power, still struggle to decide on who's guilty and who's not.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: BitWhale on May 02, 2017, 05:26:02 AM
I hope Shelby puts an end to these systems soon.

I can near guarantee he will talk alot about it, that's all I can guarantee though.

Lol it was so obvious to me right away that "the_end_is_near" was him. If you are going to do something, fuckin' do it, let's skip the 4 years of talking about it eh?


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Traxo on May 02, 2017, 06:22:20 PM
Lol it was so obvious to me right away that "the_end_is_near" was him.

They found Shelby? ???


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 02, 2017, 08:47:59 PM
So this has turned into a discussion wherein the mod of Altcoin Discussion (the subforum where Shelby did most of his posting over the years), is explaining that he is clueless and delusional. So I think this deserves one final clarification for the official record, so when we look back on this some years later, we will realize that Shelby was correct about this issue at hand, and @mprep had his head so far up his asshole that he couldn't even see the bark on the trees, not to mention seeing over the weeds. Even the biblical must acknowledge Jesus said he came bearing a sword, and of course wise parables for those whose eyes were open. Don't expect me to be nice to idiots who steal the property of others even (or especially) when they don't even realize they are doing it. I've found in the past that in order to have an amicable relationship with idiots, I must just nod my head and keep my IQ to myself. I was quite a popular person when I did this in high school and college, but here on this forum I was doing serious work and speaking about serious matters, so unfortunately the strife with idiots will proliferate. The only way to avoid this is to do what I am doing, which is preparing to disrupt the centralized paradigm wherein idiots have exclusive control over anything. Of course, I have no qualms about idiots having control over their own circle jerk self-destruction zone. And this is why Shelby will never come back to Bitcointalk.org under any circumstances. Let's just set the record straight and be done with this discussion.

@mprep, you're delusional. Let's explain why. Of course, none of this explanation will make any sense to you, because you are a clueless idiot and so for you sensible is nonsensical and nonsense is sensible.

Why was 'iamnotback' banned in the first place? He has been a significant contributor on this forum for many years, highly respected for his analysis, and he has educated many forum users on a wide range of topics. He deserved more respect, looks like you banned a significant and important 'voice' in the crypto space just because what he says and does annoyed you ... that's weak & cowardly.

According to other mods who dealt with his antics (I've merely reported one of his alts), he's been banned multiple times under numerous other accounts for trolling (which ended up with him finally getting a permaban and thus him ban evading to circumvent that). He has shown a complete disregard to the forum's rules to such a degree that I don't think any sort of reputation is going to help him.

1) So the underlying reason for ban is trolling. It's such a convenient rule that can be applied basically to every user here. Still there are thousands of users who are not banned.

2) What I have noticed is that he doesn't have patience for Dunning Krugers, so if he lets you (the general you) have it (and as he often does, quite bluntly so) perhaps instead of getting offended and taking the easy way out by labeling it as trolling you might consider evaluating your own knowledge about the subject and perhaps getting wiser by the process.

That would require people eating the humble pie though and knowing the human nature that won't happen so we are where we are. You can't force people to accept what they want to deny. We'll just have to wait and see how the things will play out eventually.

1. That's why this guideline exists (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0):

However, trolling isn't allowed. If a user is habitually posting obviously false nonsense ("obviously false nonsense" to an outsider, NOT to someone who follows or is involved in the discussion) just to stir up trouble, then it's considered trolling, which is prohibited.

Thus the policy of Bitcointalk.org is that expertise is trolling.

However, his demeanor and current actions (habitual ban evasion) signals me that it isn't far from the truth. Me labeling him as a troll wasn't because he disagreed with me, the forum's rules or the validity of his ban, it's because alongside the aforementioned actions and demeanor, he seems to behave like one whenever he hangs around here (e.g dismissing opinions because he "created million user software businesses all by himself" so other people's "words are useless", while continuing to instigate pointless, nonconstructive conflict for the heck of it).

Effectively the policy and your idiocy is to create a forum which has the least common denominator of expertise. This is the Chinese Communism where no one dared lift their head above the poppy seeds so to speak, i.e. no one dared disagree and display their expertise publicly.

2) Just like he dislikes people who think they're superior based on their position rather than capability (not quite sure why moderating the forum based on guidelines provided by the owner would make me that but who am I decide), I can't stomach self-entitled and/or self-righteous smug hypocrites with massive egos.

You're so clueless that you still haven't figured out that the salient distinction is that with a decentralized forum, all centralized power is vanquished, and therein if you can't stomach my superior expertise then you can choose to filter my posts from your view of the decentralized database, but in no case will idiots like you have any exclusive power to steal the property of others just because you're offended by their vastly superior expertise.

My statement above will be a confirmation for you (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1404) of all the justification you think you have for doing the inane, worse-than-useless, destructive, corrupt, thievery busywork that you do.

Note this isn't a complaint. Rather it is myself finally coming to accept that I must write software to provide a place where idiots like yourself can't do the destruction that you do.

While I agree that he makes some valid points (e.g. the general fragility of any centralized system),

Lol, then why don't you get that Bitcointalk.org is fragile and is destroying itself. I can only imagine it must be because you are an idiot.

I can't respect someone who neither respects (both verbally and with his actions) the forum, it's moderation team nor me (the other side of the discussion) while also exhibiting the aforementioned character traits.

Shelby doesn't respect your centralized piece-of-shit forum, your centralized moderation, your rules, nor other idiots like @dinofelis, @Dorky, and a long list of others. That is his prerogative; and the fact that you can stop him and others from having our own choices is the reason that Bitcointalk is dying and it will be replaced by a decentralized vehicle wherein you idiots can have your choices separately from Shelby and his followers from their choices.

Have you ever tried to order "one size fits all" clothing.

Aren't you getting a clue of how incredibly dumb you are.

Wow, the mods of Bitcointalk really are disgusting human beings.  Banning one of the only good posters they had left, but leaving signature campaigns alive and well, and doing nothing about the litany of scams being pushed through their site since early 2014.

mprep and Theymos, you are both terrible human beings and you are deliberately slowing down the advancement of crypto through your actions.

I don't know how you guys sleep at night

[X] Call someone "disgusting human being" because you disagree with how they manage a privately owned forum.

[X] Make sure to finish off the post with another guilt trip, since your opinion is always right.

Shelby is not @Traxo nor @John Titor, nor any other user that has posted in this thread. He has no sock puppet accounts in reserve.

You're delusional and trying to reaffirm your confirmation bias.

Banning one of the only good posters they had left, but leaving signature campaigns alive and well, and doing nothing about the litany of scams being pushed through their site since early 2014.

[X] Ignore this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1684035.0), as well as countless efforts by global mods to reduce sig spam while still maintaining a free space for constructive discussion.

Shelby has never advertized any signature spam on any of his accounts.

You're delusional and trying to reaffirm your confirmation bias.

[X] Ignore explanation why possible scams aren't moderated (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0#post_faq) and instead of reporting them to the authorities actually equipped with dealing with such matters, complain about it in a random thread.

Why aren't you banning @smooth, @Icebreaker, @generalizethis and all the Monero supporters who have continuously complained about Dash.

You're stating that the forum policy is to disallow discussion about possible scams.  ::)

Dude I think you've dropped all the marbles out of your skull.

If you don't like it here, feel free to start a new forum, get it popular and then fairly handle each and every scam accusation when there's hundreds of reports coming in every day, most of whom contain shaky/untrustworthy evidence, questionable witnesses while also lacking the capabilities the authorities have (e.g. valid court orders to discover identity of users or retrieve evidence, countless of highly-trained professionals in different fields (judges, investigators, etc.), several hundreds to sometimes thousands of years of laws and judicial practice governing how each case should be processed), who with all that power, still struggle to decide on who's guilty and who's not.

You seem to not even have understood a single word I wrote about a decentralized forum future.

You're the one who decided to be a mod for an inane, centralized clusterfuck. That was your choice.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: ArticMine on May 02, 2017, 11:04:53 PM
I must say that I am very saddened that Shelby Moore III has been treated in this fashion here on BCT.

I have had many valid and stimulating discussions with him here on serious technical and design issues that impact Bitcoin. He is in my opinion one of very few people who has spent the time understanding the serious issues that Bitcoin faces with:
 
1) The Fixed blocksize.
2) The unproven fee market that is supposed to replace block rewards in Bitcoin.
3) Miner centralization and the host of attacks that are possible because of the fixed blocksize.
4) Many of the serious failings in the solutions that have been presented, including but not limited to Bitcoin Unlimited.
5) What may be a fundamental design flaw in Bitcoin.
6) A host of other technical issues and attack vectors in Bitcoin.

My take is that banning Shelby Moore III amounts to nothing more than shooting the messenger when the message is both very valid and very unpalatable to many in the Bitcoin community.

I will request that this ban be reversed.

Thank you.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: mprep on May 02, 2017, 11:41:56 PM
So this has turned into a discussion wherein the mod of Altcoin Discussion (the subforum where Shelby did most of his posting over the years), is explaining that he is clueless and delusional. So I think this deserves one final clarification for the official record, so when we look back on this some years later, we will realize that Shelby was correct about this issue at hand, and @mprep had his head so far up his asshole that he couldn't even see the bark on the trees, not to mention seeing over the weeds. Even the biblical must acknowledge Jesus said he came bearing a sword, and of course wise parables for those whose eyes were open. Don't expect me to be nice to idiots who steal the property of others even (or especially) when they don't even realize they are doing it. I've found in the past that in order to have an amicable relationship with idiots, I must just nod my head and keep my IQ to myself. I was quite a popular person when I did this in high school and college, but here on this forum I was doing serious work and speaking about serious matters, so unfortunately the strife with idiots will proliferate. The only way to avoid this is to do what I am doing, which preparing to disrupt the centralized paradigm wherein idiots have exclusive control over anything. Of course, I have no qualms about idiots having control over their own circle jerk self-destruction zone. And this is why Shelby will never come back to Bitcointalk.org under any circumstances. Let's just set the record straight and be done with this discussion.

@mprep, you're delusional. Let's explain why. Of course, none of this explanation will make any sense to you, because you are a clueless idiot and so for you sensible is nonsense and nonsense is sensible.
It's hilarious to see how delusional you are in your apparent "intellectual superiority", berating anyone who disagrees with any of your opinions (e.g. your fetishistic levels of attraction towards decentralizing everything, whether it's actually viable or not). You seem to derive nearly ecstatic pleasure from touting your own horn about how intelligent you are, how your IQ is so much higher than those around you and how everyone that doesn't recognize that is an "idiot". Since you're so well-educated, I don't think you'll have any issues in digesting this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect). I find it rather fitting when talking to someone who's all bark and no bite (ping me when one of your decentralized forum projects takes over the industry). Also, is this your final-final-final clarification or should I get more popcorn for the next one?

Thus the policy of Bitcointalk.org is that expertise is trolling.
Expertise isn't. Your self-righteous rants about how great you are are.

Effectively the policy and your idiocy is to create forum which has the least common denominator of expertise. This is the Chinese Communism where no one dared lift their head above the poppy seeds so to speak, i.e. no one dared disagree and display their expertise publicly.
Nope, it's to maintain a free space for constructive discussion, rather than allow a single person to dominate discussions via fallacies, pointless ad-hominem filled rants or outright spam.

You're so clueless that you still haven't figured out that the salient distinction is that with a decentralized forum, all centralized power is vanquished, and if you can't stomach my superior expertise then you can choose to filter my posts from your view of the decentralized database, but in no case will idiots like you have any power to steal the property of others just because you're offended by their vastly superior expertise.

My statement above will be a confirmation for you (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1404) of all the justification you think you have for doing the inane, worse-than-useless, destructive, corrupt, thievery busywork that you do.

Note this isn't a complaint. Rather it is myself finally coming to accept that I must write software to provide a place where idiots like yourself can't do the destruction that you do.
Oh, I'm quite aware of your stance on centralized systems as well as it's decentralized counterpart's advantages. However, as with all theoretical systems, quite a few fall apart in practice due to unforeseen social issues. You keep mentioning setting up your own moderators that would apply filters to the content you want to see but you seem to assume that an average person using the internet isn't lazy (which is one of the reasons why quite a few of such systems still haven't gained wide mainstream acceptance (e.g cryptocurrencies) and why successful commercial consumer systems often prioritize convenience above all else (e.g. Twitter, Google, Tinder)). A rather close to home example of such laziness is the general use of the Trust system, which was meant for users to set their own "trusted users" yet ended in most people simply using DefaultTrust. But hey, you're the expert here - if you manage to solve this and gain mainstream acceptance, I'll add in "successful" alongside "self-entitled and self-righteous smug hypocrite with a massive ego" whenever I refer to you (not that you would care about what an "idiot" does, right?).

Lol, then why don't you get that Bitcointalk.org is fragile and is destroying itself. I can only imagine it must be because you are an idiot.
“No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.” - Winston S. Churchill. Until someone develops a superior community system (and by that I mean that not only does it not have unique significant technical or social (including wide acceptance) flaws of it's own but also fixes the main issues of the best currently available system), I'll tolerate the flaws of the best system we currently have.

Shelby doesn't respect your centralized piece-of-shit forum, your centralized moderation, your rules, nor other idiots like @dinofelis, @Dorky, and a long list of others. That is his prerogative; and the fact that you can stop him and others from having our own choices is the reason that Bitcointalk is dying and it will be replaced by a decentralized vehicle wherein you idiots can have your choices separately from Shelby and his followers from their choice.

Have you ever tried to order "one size fits all" clothing.

Aren't you getting a clue of how incredibly dumb you are.
"Everyone that disagrees with me is dumb and I shall lead those who follow me to salvation". For someone who keeps touting decentralization, you oddly remind me of a cult leader, who's going to have his followers commit mass suicide to ascend to a spaceship that'll carry them to heaven (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_group)), rather than a "visionary developer".

Shelby is not @Traxo nor @John Titor, nor any other user that has posted in this forum. He has no sock puppet accounts in reserve.

You're delusional and trying to reaffirm your confirmation bias.
Nor have I claimed otherwise. There's a reason my post contained a line separating the list of quotes and my responses.

Shelby has never advertized any signature spam on any of his accounts.

You're delusional and trying to reaffirm your confirmation bias.
Again, not quite sure how this applies to you.

Why aren't you banning @smooth, @Icebreaker, @generalizethis and all the Monero supporters who have continuously complained about Dash.

You're stating that the forum policy is to disallow discussion about possible scams.  ::)

Dude I think you've dropped all the marbles out of your skull.
For a man of your "intelligence" you sure are having a lot of difficulty in understanding that possible scams aren't moderated to allow the community (or in some cases official authorities) to make their opinions on what is a scam and what isn't. Or are you trolling again (something you claimed you weren't doing, but merely providing "expertise")?

You seem to not even have understood a single word I wrote about a decentralized forum future.

You're the one who decided to be a mod for an inane, centralized clusterfuck. That was your choice.
Need ointment for that butthurt?



I must say that I am very saddened that Shelby Moore III has been treated in this fashion here on BCT.

I have had many valid and stimulating discussions with him here on serious technical and design issues that impact Bitcoin. He is in my opinion one of very few people who has spent the time understanding the serious issues that Bitcoin faces with:
 
1) The Fixed blocksize.
2) The unproven fee market that is supposed to replace block rewards in Bitcoin.
3) Miner centralization and the host of attacks that are possible because of the fixed blocksize.
4) Many of the serious failings in the solutions that have been presented, including but not limited to Bitcoin Unlimited.
5) What may be a fundamental design flaw in Bitcoin.
6) A host of other technical issues and attack vectors in Bitcoin.

My take is that banning Shelby Moore III amounts to nothing more than shooting the messenger when the message is both very valid and very unpalatable to many in the Bitcoin community.

I will request that this ban be reversed.

Thank you.
Even though the chances of his ban getting revoked after he demonstrated and continues to demonstrate complete disregard for order within the forum are near zero, I'd suggest forwarding this appeal to someone who can issue (and preferably reverse such bans) - theymos and/or Cyrus. Just because someone is "intelligent" or "insightful", doesn't grant him the license to do whatever he pleases. If an MIT professor came to my home and kept shitting all over my furniture while explaining to me how the latest neural network tech allows for synthesizing realistic voices, I wouldn't just brush it off and say "Well, I mean he really helps me to fully grasp how neural networks operate via practical application". No, I'd kick him out, never let him back in and find a different way to acquire said knowledge.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 03, 2017, 01:47:32 AM
(note this post is made from the same IP address @iamnotback used)

@mprep, you're very slow to understand. Let's try one more time to drill some simple information into your retarded brain...

Readers note that the reason I am not restraining myself because the clusterfuck software here doesn't offer the features needed for me to operate amicably within my followers set, while allowing me to filter out all the riff-raff outside my followers set (presuming my followers would typically choose to filter the posts according to my moderation decisions). I am responding in kind to the abuse being levied against my 4 years of work. Also I am obviously trying to maximally offend @mprep to make a philosophical point that when we grow up and enter the real world, we come to understand that we don't have any control whatsoever over others and only some control over ourselves. @mprep can be offended until his head explodes, yet he will never be able to control me. And I have no desire whatsoever to control him.

It is a delusional ludicrous concept that because this is a privately owned forum, thus they have the incentive to abuse 4 years of investment in their forum made by an expert such as myself. What they have accomplished is made me see very clearly the very strong demand for a decentralized forum. BCT will decline in a waterfall collapse within the next year or two.

Did anyone notice LTC declined to below 0.011 yesterday as I had precisely predicted in this thread when the price was much higher (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18814151#msg18814151).

It's hilarious to see how delusional you are in your apparent "intellectual superiority", berating anyone who disagrees with any of your opinions (e.g. your fetishistic levels of attraction towards decentralizing everything, whether it's actually viable or not).

It will be more hilarious when what I have written comes true and you eat humble pie.

You are not an expert. Thus you can't very well discern fact from opinion.

You seem to derive nearly ecstatic pleasure

No man (are you?). I don't derive any pleasure from wasting my time with worthless morons like you.

You're so self-important.

What have you ever accomplished @mprep?

As I said, once we have the decentralized forum with the proper set of features, then I won't even need to respond to idiots any more. I will just click "delete" and all my followers who choose me as the moderator for my threads, will not view those posts (their client will automatically filter them but of course they could go peek at them if they wanted to but eventually they will come to see that my moderation decisions are expert and accurate). As for the riff-raff, you'll be able to see all your nonsensical noise trolling, which is perfect. When I know my followers are normally accepting my moderation actions by default, then I can simply click "delete" as a form of punishment against those who wish to bait me in a disingenuous and non-constructive dialogue. That will be much more efficient.

Also, is this your final-final-final clarification or should I get more popcorn for the next one?

Is this your final idiotic reply?

You're baiting and you know it. Do you ever do any real work?

I've been working (https://githubcontributions.io/user/shelby3/events/1). Where can we see your work?

Thus the policy of Bitcointalk.org is that expertise is trolling.

Expertise isn't. Your self-righteous rants about how great you are are.

Frame this. This is going to be so humiliating in retrospect.

@mprep, you are obviously not capable of distinguishing expertise from trolling. You're wincing and contorted bent-out-of-shape (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1404) by strong personalities. I got inside your head and fucked you up (https://youtu.be/JEB-PSCYPm4?t=21) because you are weak. And it is absolutely true (https://youtu.be/JEB-PSCYPm4?t=95) that @iamnotback was very ill for 5 years with TB in spread all over his body in his lymph nodes, brain, gut, etc.. The normal mode of death for disseminated TB is rupturing of blood vessels and bleeding to death. I was going on 5 years of decline until the TB was diagnosed and the 24 weeks of meds started at the end of January 2017.

But obviously you've dug in your heels as all idiots do. So please dig them in deep, so when the time comes, you can't climb out of your tar pit.

Regarding the side-band defense of myself against the constant barrage of idiot baiting attacks, you characterize this defense as self-righteous. Note there won't be any need to say anything in defense in the future, I will simply click "delete" and my followers will ignore that noise (other readers can wade through the noise I ignore if they wish to mire and associate with the self-destructive idiot cohorts). The other moderation option will be to edit the users' post as the mod sees fit (and of course the readers' clients can show an icon that the post has been moderated which can be clicked to see the edit history because it will all be there immutable on the blockchain). So for example, I could have edited @dinofelis' long-winded diatribes to be more concise to the point in order to keep the discussion manageable for readers. Again each user chooses which moderator actions they wish to follow by default and they can change this setting at any time, so none of those "deletes" or "edits" are destructive rather only constructive (aka additive).

Even we had for example the reasonably smart @dinofelis baiting me into such defense with his slanderous and erroneous mischaracterization (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170425043232/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all) of both Satoshi's design and his (imo erroneous) assumptions about my motivations and allegations of confirmation bias. This sort of strife and discord is never ending in Internet discussions. The only efficient way to deal with it, is to employ self-moderated threads. With a decentralized forum, the "deleted" posts are still accessible but are simply not normally shown in the default view wherein the thread creator is the default moderator.

Forum activity is both a cooperation and a competition amongst men and thus without the proper software, the competition aspect turns either into a dirty clusterfuck and/or least common denominator echo chamber of censorship and experts bailing out (have you not noticed that nearly no experts post any more to BCT not even @gmaxwell nor @bytemaster even @smooth has nearly stopped posting), which is what BCT descending into. BCT is dying. The experts are leaving, because the clusterfuck became a huge burden with a high opportunity cost.

Effectively the policy and your idiocy is to create forum which has the least common denominator of expertise. This is the Chinese Communism where no one dared lift their head above the poppy seeds so to speak, i.e. no one dared disagree and display their expertise publicly.

Nope, it's to maintain a free space for constructive discussion, rather than allow a single person to dominate discussions via fallacies, pointless ad-hominem filled rants or outright spam.

Censoring content that some readers want to read in order to have all content be acceptable to all readers (i.e. the least common denominator clusterfuck) is destructive to network effects. You're concept of constructive dialogue seems to revolve around personality. But entirely the point is that we should have a common hub for discussion but allow different groups to prioritize/filter what content they don't wish to interact with. So that everyone can co-exist in the greater economies-of-scale of a common nexus of activity without forcing all users to the least common denominator.

With a proper forum software design, every user could filter the posts differently, thus your view of the database (and any of your followers) would reflect your opinion of what is of value.

I of course don't agree with your estimation of the value of my expertise and content. This should be falsifiable. We'll have a truth metric eventually on the Bitnet decentralized forum wherein we can compare the number of followers I will have to anyone else on this forum.

I predict you will have humble pie rammed so far up your ass the you vomit it out the other end orifice where all your bullshit normally flows out.

You're so clueless that you still haven't figured out that the salient distinction is that with a decentralized forum, all centralized power is vanquished, and if you can't stomach my superior expertise then you can choose to filter my posts from your view of the decentralized database, but in no case will idiots like you have any power to steal the property of others just because you're offended by their vastly superior expertise.

My statement above will be a confirmation for you (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1404) of all the justification you think you have for doing the inane, worse-than-useless, destructive, corrupt, thievery busywork that you do.

Note this isn't a complaint. Rather it is myself finally coming to accept that I must write software to provide a place where idiots like yourself can't do the destruction that you do.

Oh, I'm quite aware of your stance on centralized systems as well as it's advantages. However, as with all theoretical systems, quite a few fall apart in practice due to unforeseen social issues. You keep mentioning settings up your own moderators that would apply filters to the content you want to see but you seem to assume that an average person using the internet isn't lazy (which is one of the reasons why quite a few of such systems still haven't gained wide mainstream acceptance (e.g cryptocurrencies) and why successful commercial consumer systems often prioritize convenience above all else (e.g. Twitter, Google, Tinder)).

I created Cool Page which was a million user downloaded software back at the turn of the century when the Internet was 1/10th the population it is now. Obviously the theme of that product was making website creation and publishing drag-drop and "one click publishing" (this was before others copied the concept). So I am very much aware of user friendly issues and human nature. So obviously I had a long-time ago already thought of the issue you raise above and had already solved the issue. I am not going to tell you now how I will solve the issue, because I am not going to give you or any competitors to my idea any premature assistance.

A rather close to home example of such laziness is the general use of the Trust system, which was meant for users to set their own "trusted users" yet ended in most people simply using DefaultTrust.

Nobody even knows the feature exists. On top of that, trust is not something that we need immediately when using this forum. It is something we might need as a refinement later. Whereas, the filtering of posts is something we are very much battling over and aware of. There is an entire game theory on Reddit about how to get posts ranked higher, etc.. Posting and readership is the primary activity here. Trust is not.

But hey, you're the expert here -

And it really offends you doesn't it. How dare I come here and become more important than a mod or Theymos or even eventually possibly more important than Satoshi (although I hope this doesn't happen because it will destroy my life).

Your ego issue is your problem (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1404).

if you manage to solve this and gain mainstream acceptance, I'll add in "successful" alongside "self-entitled and self-righteous smug hypocrite with a massive ego" whenever I refer to you (not that you would care about what an "idiot" does, right?).

I won't even know you exist any more. You are an entirely irrelevant grain of sand for me.

You were only ephemerally relevant because I allowed you to be, because I was attempting to use this BCT for discussion.

Lol, then why don't you get that Bitcointalk.org is fragile and is destroying itself. I can only imagine it must be because you are an idiot.

“No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.” - Winston S. Churchill. Until someone develops a superior community system (and by that I mean that not only does it not have unique significant technical or social (including wide acceptance) flaws of it's own but also fixes the main issues of the best currently available system), I'll tolerate the flaws of the best system we currently have.

I don't tolerate. I disrupt and improve. I've always been that way, even since before age 5.

I pushed BCT as far as it could go, and then BCT failed, which was the push I need to Cross the Rubicon.

Shelby doesn't respect your centralized piece-of-shit forum, your centralized moderation, your rules, nor other idiots like @dinofelis, @Dorky, and a long list of others. That is his prerogative; and the fact that you can stop him and others from having our own choices is the reason that Bitcointalk is dying and it will be replaced by a decentralized vehicle wherein you idiots can have your choices separately from Shelby and his followers from their choice.

Have you ever tried to order "one size fits all" clothing.

Aren't you getting a clue of how incredibly dumb you are.

"Everyone that disagrees with me is dumb and I shall lead those who follow me to salvation". For someone who keeps touting decentralization, you oddly remind me of a cult leader, who's going to have his followers commit mass suicide to ascend to a spaceship that'll carry them to heaven (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_group)), rather than a "visionary developer".

Someone like you would have said the same thing to Satoshi if he had been discussing Bitcoin years before its launch.

Idiots can't ever see beyond the tip of their nose.

Shelby is not @Traxo nor @John Titor, nor any other user that has posted in this forum. He has no sock puppet accounts in reserve.

You're delusional and trying to reaffirm your confirmation bias.

Nor have I claimed otherwise. There's a reason my post contained a line separating the list of quotes and my responses.

Then why did you have checkboxes signifying a checklist of violations alleged against @iamnotback justifying his ban as quoted below:

[X] Ignore this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1684035.0), as well as countless efforts by global mods to reduce sig spam while still maintaining a free space for constructive discussion.

Now you're just lying and backsplaining.

Shelby has never advertized any signature spam on any of his accounts.

You're delusional and trying to reaffirm your confirmation bias.
Again, not quite sure how this applies to you.

Why aren't you banning @smooth, @Icebreaker, @generalizethis and all the Monero supporters who have continuously complained about Dash.

You're stating that the forum policy is to disallow discussion about possible scams.  ::)

Dude I think you've dropped all the marbles out of your skull.

For a man of your "intelligence" you sure are having a lot of difficulty in understanding that possible scams aren't moderated to allow the community (or in some cases official authorities) to make their opinions on what is a scam and what isn't. Or are you trolling again (something you claimed you weren't doing, but merely providing "expertise")?

How are you going to lie and backsplain what you wrote in that context insinuating that I had violated a policy by complaining about scams in a random thread as quoted below:

[X] Ignore explanation why possible scams aren't moderated (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0#post_faq) and instead of reporting them to the authorities actually equipped with dealing with such matters, complain about it in a random thread.

I wasn't complaining about lack of forum moderation of scams.





You seem to not even have understood a single word I wrote about a decentralized forum future.

You're the one who decided to be a mod for an inane, centralized clusterfuck. That was your choice.

Need ointment for that butthurt?

Are you so delusional that you're pretending that I am butthurt because you've got yourself mired in a centralized clusterfuck that is dying ???

Even though the chances of his ban getting revoked after he demonstrated and continues to demonstrate complete disregard for order within the forum are near zero, I'd suggest forwarding this appeal to someone who can issue (and preferably reverse such bans) - theymos and/or Cyrus.

Stop pretending that your forum has any remaining value to me. I have no desire whatsoever to contribute content to your corrupt business.

@ArticMine please do not request that I am unbanned. Don't worry at all. We will all have a much better place for discussion soon. BCT will die.

Just because someone is "intelligent" or "insightful", doesn't grant him the license to do whatever he pleases.

Try to stop me if you can.  :P You can't. (in the general sense of creating a decentralized forum, etc)

If an MIT professor came to my home and kept shitting all over my furniture while explaining to me how the latest neural network tech allows for synthesizing realistic voices, I wouldn't just brush it off and say "Well, I mean he really helps me to fully grasp how neural networks operate via practical application". No, I'd kick him out, never let him back in and find a different way to acquire said knowledge.

Sure you can do that for your followers, but to impose your (imo erroneous) opinion of the quality of my activity on my followers is the corruption and theft.

But no worries, the end is near of this clusterfuck morass.



@mprep, I think we're beating a dead horse. Let it die already. Move on. We're wasting time and effort. We're never going to agree. The outcome won't be known until a future juncture.




afaik Shelby and jl777 communicate(d) regularly and share mutual respect for each others skills, but I don't want to speak for Shelby.

@jl777 and I stopped communicating ever since he got too busy after he launched Komodo.

There were some other reasons which I will not state.

@jl777 also advised me in 2015 and again 2016 to stop posting at BCT and he (like many devs) have a negative opinion of BCT.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: mprep on May 03, 2017, 03:42:50 AM
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(note this post is made from the same IP address @iamnotback used)

@mprep, you're very slow to understand. Let's try one more time to drill some simple information into your retarded brain...

Readers note that the reason I am not restraining myself because the clusterfuck software here doesn't offer the features needed for me to operate amicably within my followers set, while allowing me to filter out all the riff-raff outside my followers set (presuming my followers would typically choose to filter the posts according to my moderation decisions). I am responding in kind to the abuse being levied against my 4 years of work. Also I am obviously trying to maximally offend @mprep to make a philosophical point that when we grow up and enter the real world, we come to understand that we don't have any control whatsoever over others and only some control over ourselves. @mprep can be offended until his head explodes, yet he will never be able to control me. And I have no desire whatsoever to control him.
Sure, you're not restraining yourself not because of your ego but because you can't have your own dedicated echo chamber. Also if you're trying to offend me - enjoy trying. I'm merely having fun with someone who's of above average intelligence yet thinks he's a visionary genius. You're merely the flavor of the month self-entitled prick - controlling you (as in unrelated to my job as a moderator) is of my least priority. Ironic how you lecture about none of us having control yet you actively keep coming back trying to fight anyone who disagrees with you or attempt to shut down or at least dominate discussions that didn't go your way.

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It is a delusional ludicrous concept that because this is a privately owned forum, thus they have the incentive to abuse 4 years of investment in their forum made by an expert such as myself. What they have accomplished is made me see very clearly the very strong demand for a decentralized forum. BCT will decline in a waterfall collapse within the next year or two.

Did anyone notice LTC declined to below 0.011 yesterday as I had precisely predicted in this thread when the price was much higher.
You really seem to struggle to not stroke your ego while trying to make your point. Putting that aside, you're free to back all your posts up and host them somewhere where you're welcome (writing a scraper for someone like you shouldn't cause much trouble, won't it?). Every time a post is deleted, you should've received a deletion PM - backup that too. Other than that Bitcointalk owes you nothing - it provided a service for free and it can revoke that service at any point in time (which it did for breaking the rules multiple times). If you don't like it, go and actually spend the time developing that decentralized forum software you keep talking about, instead of trying to prove a point your followers probably already agree with and other people don't give a crap about.

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It will be more hilarious when what I have written comes true and you eat humble pie.

You are not an expert. Thus you can't very well discern fact from opinion.
Great, then stop talking and start building. Also, it doesn't take an expert to tell that your ideology of centralized systems being inferior in every way to even the most basic decentralized ones is an opinion, not a fact.

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No man (are you?). I don't derive any pleasure from wasting my time with worthless morons like you.

You're so self-important.

What have you ever accomplished @mprep?

As I said, once we have the decentralized forum with the proper set of features, then I won't even need to respond to idiots any more. I will just click "delete" and all my followers who choose me as the moderator for my threads, will not view those posts (their client will automatically filter them but of course they could go peek at them if they wanted to but eventually they will come to see that my moderation decisions are expert and accurate). As for the riff-raff, you'll be able to see all your nonsensical noise trolling, which is perfect.
Highlighted for irony. You seem to have an obsession with achievements, acolades and appraisals of your intelligence. While I can understand and sympathize with the reason behind it, I can't really sympathize with a person who berates others for not chasing pointless social validation, that in the end will be forgotten by all come pass a few generations. We may be vain creatures, but try being at least a bit self-aware about it.

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Is this your final idiotic reply?

You're baiting and you know it. Do you ever do any real work?

I've been working (https://githubcontributions.io/user/shelby3/events/1). Where can we see your work?
My work can be seen in the shit I clean every day, dropped by serial visionaries like you. Unlike you, I don't try to pretend I'm important. I'm a digital janitor in a small to medium community. What I think you're mistaking as "self-importance" is my thorough annoyance and dislike towards people like you - vain, egoistic lunatics, who think they're hot shit, just because they achieved something in life. News flash: to me, you're just another guy dragging his ass across the floor I try to keep clean for people who actually enjoy being here.

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Frame this. This is going to be so humiliating in retrospect.

@mprep, you are obviously not capable of distinguishing expertise from trolling.

But obviously you've dug in your heels as all idiots do. So please dig them in deep, so when the time comes, you can't climb out of your tar pit.
Just when I thought you calmed down, you're back to ranting how I'll regret everything and how I'm an idiot. Figures...

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Censoring content that some readers want to read in order to have all content be acceptable to add readers (i.e. the least common denominator clusterfuck) is destructive to network effects. You're concept of constructive dialogue seems to revolve around personality. But entirely the point is that we should have a common hub for discussion but allow different groups to prioritize/filter what content they don't wish to interact with. So that everyone can co-exist in the greater economies-of-scale of a common nexus of activity without forcing all users to the least common denominator.

With a proper forum software design, every user could filter the posts differently, thus your view of the database (and any of your followers) would reflect your opinion of what is of value.

I of course don't agree with your estimation of the value of my expertise and content. This should be falsifiable. We'll have a truth metric eventually on the Bitnet decentralized forum wherein we can compare the number of followers I will have to anyone else on this forum.

I predict you will have humble pie rammed so far up your ass the you vomit it out the other end where all the bullshit normally flows out.
Your usual "dick measuring contest" crap aside, great. You have your idea of a perfect community, so enjoy developing and managing it. As long as it's not here.

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I created Cool Page which was a million user downloaded software back at the turn of the century when the Internet was 1/10th the population it is now. Obviously the theme of that product was making website creation and publishing drag-drop and "one click publishing" (this was before others copied the concept). So I am very much aware of user friendly issues and human nature. So obviously I had a long-time ago already thought of the issue you raise above and had already solved the issue. I am not going to tell you now how I will solve the issue, because I am not going to give you or any competitors to my idea any premature assistance.
Awesome. Since you seem to have both the tech and social design down, the only possible pitfall for the project is that the dev is an emotionally unstable asshole. That and possible societal changes in the past 20 years.

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Nobody even knows the feature exists. On top of that, trust is not something that we need immediately when using this forum. It is something we might need as a refinement later. Whereas, the filtering of posts is something we are very much battling over and aware of. There is an entire game theory on Reddit about how to get posts ranked higher, etc.. Posting and readership is the primary activity here. Trust is not.
Fair point.

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And it really offends you doesn't it. How dare I come here and become more important than a mod or Theymos or even eventually possibly more important than Satoshi (although I hope this doesn't happen because it will destroy my life).

Your ego issue is your problem (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1404).
Not really. See my previous comments in this post for clarification. Also, it isn't even Christmas and your dishing out gifts one after the other: the irony of a self-entitled self-righteous smug guy lecturing me about how my ego is the main problem is sweeter than honey.

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I won't even know you exist any more. You are an entirely irrelevant grain of sand for me.

You were only ephemerally relevant because I allowed you to be, because I was attempting to use this BCT for discussion.
Yet you keep coming back every time I post an answer to your bullshit. Hipocrate through and through, ain't ya? Also, that cult leader comparison is getting more and more apt.

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I don't tolerate. I disrupt and improve. I've always been that way, even since before age 5.

I pushed BCT as far as it could go, and then BCT failed, which was the push I need to Cross the Rubicon.
That's what assholes say to justify their inconsiderate and self-centered actions. Another keyboard revolutionist that argues with a janitor about how the place should be round instead of a square...

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Someone like you would have said the same thing to Satoshi if he had been discussing Bitcoin years before its launch.

Idiots can't ever see beyond the tip of their nose.
Except Satoshi wasn't a self-important dick (comparing yourself to Satoshi, really?) who thought his ideas / systems were perfect (or at least he didn't show it).

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Then why did you have checkboxes signifying a checklist of violations alleged against @iamnotback justifying his ban as quoted below:

[X] Ignore this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1684035.0), as well as countless efforts by global mods to reduce sig spam while still maintaining a free space for constructive discussion.

Now you're just lying and backsplaining.

Shelby has never advertized any signature spam on any of his accounts.

You're delusional and trying to reaffirm your confirmation bias.
Again, not quite sure how this applies to you.

Why aren't you banning @smooth, @Icebreaker, @generalizethis and all the Monero supporters who have continuously complained about Dash.

You're stating that the forum policy is to disallow discussion about possible scams.  ::)

Dude I think you've dropped all the marbles out of your skull.

For a man of your "intelligence" you sure are having a lot of difficulty in understanding that possible scams aren't moderated to allow the community (or in some cases official authorities) to make their opinions on what is a scam and what isn't. Or are you trolling again (something you claimed you weren't doing, but merely providing "expertise")?

How are you going to lie and backsplain what you wrote in that context insinuating that I had violated a policy by complaining about scams in a random thread as quoted below:

[X] Ignore explanation why possible scams aren't moderated (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0#post_faq) and instead of reporting them to the authorities actually equipped with dealing with such matters, complain about it in a random thread.

I wasn't complaining about lack of forum moderation of scams.
Sigh, you truly are thicker than you comprehend (that or you're pathetically trying to grasp at straws that aren't even there). The checklist was an expressive form of "checking off" all the obvious answers the user ignored (that being the explanation of why possible scams aren't moderated, the efforts of global mods to enforce stricter guidelines) as well as pointing out the user's disposition towards people holding a different opinion. A suggestion for next time: before attacking someone, make sure the statements are actually aimed at you.

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Are you so delusional that you're pretending that I am butthurt because you've got yourself mired in a centralized clusterfuck that is dying ???
As much as you try to deny it, you're still here, you're still replying to my posts while simultaneously talking about how you're not going to post here anymore.

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Stop pretending that your forum has any remaining value to me. I have no desire whatsoever to contribute content to your corrupt business.

@ArticMine please do not request that I am unbanned. Don't worry at all. We will all have a much better place for discussion soon. BCT will die.
Yet you're here, doing exactly that. Ironic, huh?

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Try to stop me if you can.  :P You can't.
When it comes to this forum, we'll sure as hell try.

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Sure you can do that for your followers, but to impose your (imo erroneous) opinion of the quality of my activity on my followers is the corruption and theft.

But no worries, the end is near of this clusterfuck morass.
I didn't ban you for trolling nor have I (AFAIK) deleted your trolling posts - not quite sure how my opinion on your posts factors in all of this. I've only dealt with your ban evasion, a few consecutive posts and your cripplingly paradoxical character traits (which confirmed my suspicions on you being a troll).

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@mprep, I think we're beating a dead horse. Let it die already. Move on. We're wasting time and effort. We're never going to agree. The outcome won't be known until a future juncture.
You are free to stop at any time. For me, this is merely verbal exercise that I enjoy partaking in my free time.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 03, 2017, 04:04:04 AM
@mprep, when you deleted this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all) where did it go? BitNet (official) did not receive copies of those deleted posts in his PM inbox. I archived that thread (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170425043232/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all), but I had edited the last post of the thread and added some important links in the last post in that thread which I wasn't able to capture in another archive before you nuked the thread. Can you please return that valuable work to me? I expended hours finding the links I needed for my future research.This is research work for my project and I don't appreciate it when you nuke my work and don't return copies to me!!

Damn it!  >:(

I know you are a complete dunce and don't understand the incredible technical expertise in that thread you nuked. That was a very important thread for coalescing the debate between @dinofelis and myself about whether Satoshi's design was genius or not. It contains highly technical analysis which is probably beyond your level of comprehension.

Please don't tell me the data is lost forever. With a blockchain, this will never happen!

I am Shelby Moore III. My photos and LinkedIn are public knowledge. @mprep who are you in real life?

Don't tell me you are going to hide behind anonymity while you make such slanderous allegations and misrepresentations. If you believe you are correct, then certainly you can put your real name on it, as I have done.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: jonald_fyookball on May 03, 2017, 04:31:45 AM
dinofelis is the same guy (anonymint) same style, same talking points.



Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: mprep on May 03, 2017, 04:44:14 AM
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@mprep, when you deleted this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all) where did it go? BitNet (official) did not receive copies of those deleted posts in his PM inbox. I archived that thread (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170425043232/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all), but I had edited the last post of the thread and added some important links in the last post in that thread which I wasn't able to capture in another archive before you nuked the thread. Can you please return that valuable work to me? I expended hours finding the links I needed for my future research.This is research work for my project and I don't appreciate it when you nuke my work and don't return copies to me!!

Damn it!  >:(

I know you are a complete dunce and don't understand the incredible technical expertise in that thread you nuked. That was a very important thread for coalescing the debate between @dinofelis and myself about whether Satoshi's design was genius or not. It contains highly technical analysis which is probably beyond your level of comprehension.

Please don't tell me the data is lost forever. With a blockchain, this will never happen!
Your ban evading account was nuked by another mod (that being a ban and auto-deletion of all posts, only possible on Newbie rank users). Also you don't receive notifications for deleted threads (just posts), however if you PM Cyrus and/or theymos, who have access over deleted content (especially in theymos' case), I'm sure they'll provide you the BB code and text. Even if they didn't, by the time you were posting on your Bitnet account, you were already refused service and merely used deception and secrecy to maintain unrestricted access to this site.

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I am Shelby Moore III. My photos and LinkedIn are public knowledge. @mprep who are you in real life?

Don't tell me you are going to hide behind anonymity while you make such slanderous allegations and misrepresentations. If you believe you are correct, then certainly you can put your real name on it, as I have done.
What sort of slanderous allegations have I put forward? You do know that my opinion of your behavior and character isn't considered slander, since I'm not claiming any sort of facts, but merely providing a perspective of how I perceive your demeanour? Also, my identity should matter the least to you - according to you, I'm stupid and insignificant, did you already forget? Or do you simply want to boast how much better, more skilled and experienced than me you are, in an attempt to discredit my arguments about your IMHO clear superiority complex?


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Proof of Bullshit on May 03, 2017, 05:16:25 AM
@mprep
Why are you even wasting your time on this person. He doesn't have a life! This pointless argument can go on forever and just wastes your precious time.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 03, 2017, 05:24:34 AM
@mprep
Why are you even wasting your time on this person. He doesn't have a life! This pointless argument can go on forever and just wastes your precious time.

It will be great when we have the decentralized forum and I can simply click delete and your useless noise disappears for me and my important and valued followers.

Your riff-raff useless cohorts will be inundated with all your noisy useless postings.



dinofelis is the same guy (anonymint) same style, same talking points.

Incorrect. @dinofelis is some kind of academic who lives in Europe. Shelby lives in the Philippines.

You guys are so delusional.

You are entirely incapable of comprehending the discussion between @dinofelis and myself (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170425043232/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all), in which I was disagreeing with him on many technical points. Therefor, since you can't understand it, you just presume we are saying the same things (this is a known Dunning-Kruger symptom).



Don't tell me you are going to hide behind anonymity while you make such slanderous allegations and misrepresentations. If you believe you are correct, then certainly you can put your real name on it, as I have done.

[excuses to obfuscate and avoid having any honor]

Ah I see. You can state highly adversarial positions without putting your real world reputation at stake. That is asymmetrical but astute readers will clearly see who is more honorable because they have put their real world reputation at stake.




Sure, you're not restraining yourself not because of your ego but because you can't have your own dedicated echo chamber.

I had resisted creating self-moderated threads on BCT and I never censored anyone creating an echo chamber. It is you who is creating that echo chamber by being so offended by strong personalities that you nuke important work.

One hundred expert moderated groups will trounce a one-size-fits-all totalitarianism and socialist least common denominator clusterfuck. The reason Medium is succeeding is because all the important people post there, including for example superstars such as Nicholas Taleb.

Experts refuse to waste their time having discussions where they don't have sufficient moderation control in order to keep the discussion on point of the expert's group focus.

Even I am proposing to improve upon that, by having all moderation actions be entirely optional to follow since all the data remains immutable on the decentralized blockchain.

Also if you're trying to offend me - enjoy trying.

It is self-evident that I already did, because you felt compelled to fight back by nuking things. And you've demonstrated in your comments in this thread that you are highly offended by my strong personality.

Again I am going to refer you for the 4th time to read this Ego is for Little People (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1404) (written by the ~160 IQ creator of the term "open source") and understand how you are committing all the enumerated misconceptions that the little people do. Go re-read your posts in this thread and you can see you have done everything mentioned in that essay. Lol.

I'm merely having giving fun with to someone who's of above average intelligence yet thinks knows he's a visionary genius.

Correct.

You're merely the flavor of the month self-entitled prick

And you're not offended.  ::)  Lol.

Did you really think you had any chance of winning a debate against me.

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Ironic how you lecture about none of us having control yet you actively keep coming back trying to fight anyone who disagrees with you or attempt to shut down or at least dominate discussions that didn't go your way.

You don't understand definitions of words. A dictionary could be helpful for your edification.

Refuting and working hard to win debates is not control. It is the free market of competition. Everyone else was free to do the same, until you intervened and snuffed the free market with your totalitarian hammer.

I don't create posts to bump threads to the top. I create only posts that have important content. You don't comprehend the posts, therefor you think I am only pursuing some stupid thread bumping. And if you only look up at a stuck clock at 6am and 6pm, you'll also assume the clock is not broken (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170425043232/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1884978.0;all). This is Dunning-Kruger aliasing error, which both you and @dinofelis and many others suffer from.

P.S. your use of the word 'lecture' is another indication that I got inside your head and you are offended.


Every time a post is deleted, you should've received a deletion PM - backup that too.

I didn't. See the prior post.

Other than that Bitcointalk owes you nothing

Oh I agree BCT is free to destroy itself. I don't have a problem with that, other than I really didn't want to make a decentralized forum my first priority app. But you've more or less forced me to Cross the Rubicon now.

If you don't like it, go and actually spend the time developing that decentralized forum software you keep talking about, instead of trying to prove a point your followers probably already agree with and other people don't give a crap about.

Here you are slandering me and then slandering me again for trying to defend myself.

But of course you must do that in order to defend the reputation of BCT, but clearly you can see you are losing in that respect.

And of course I am going to make damn sure that I make it very clear that you've been defeated by logic, before I move on because there are so many misconceptions that can be formed otherwise.

Now anyone who wants the story can be linked to this thread (or to the archive of it if you nuke it). So I don't have to repeat myself again in the future when I've since forgotten all the details of our disagreement.

Highlighted for irony. You seem to have an obsession with achievements, acolades and appraisals of your intelligence. While I can understand and sympathize with the reason behind it, I can't really sympathize with a person who berates others for not chasing pointless social validation, that in the end will be forgotten by all come pass a few generations. We may be vain creatures, but try being at least a bit self-aware about it.

It is not about vanity. It is about those who can't do, destroy. I want to know if you actually do anything, other than destroy things?

Reason being that if you don't actually accomplish anything in your life, then you are expendable and thus have no status to be claiming to have any standing in your opinions or authority over me.

It is the epitome of failure for a society to put those who destroy in control over those who create.

That you interpreted it as vanity again is another one of those things that little people err on as explained in the Ego is for Little People (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1404) essay. For me it is not about vanity but about production. You are destroying production. I am creating production. Do you actually create any production?


My work can be seen in the shit I clean every day, dropped by serial visionaries like you.

Afaics, that is destruction of data, not productive work. It is worse-than-useless busywork of removing information.

Better would be if you were a programmer and were actually improving the forum software to do some of the moderation ideas I have presented. I've heard that Theymos collected a lot of BTC and then never delivered the forum upgrade he allegedly promised. I wasn't around at that time, so I only hear about it from others.

Unlike you, I don't try to pretend I'm important. I'm a digital janitor in a small to medium community.

And it is the epitome of failure for a society to put janitors in charge of judging the quality of the work of geniuses.

But no worries, I will route around your failure.

What I think you're mistaking as "self-importance" is my thorough annoyance and dislike towards people like you - vain, egoistic lunatics, who think they're hot shit, just because they achieved something in life. News flash: to me, you're just another guy dragging his ass across the floor I try to keep clean for people who actually enjoy being here.

Well your Millennials delusion is why Western society will collapse. The frank truth is that production matters, and being offended by hard working experts is about the dumbest thing society could possibly do.

Awesome. Since you seem to have both the tech and social design down, the only possible pitfall for the project is that the dev is an emotionally unstable asshole. That and possible societal changes in the past 20 years.

I am not angry at people who don't fuck with my production. But again read the Ego is for Little Peopl (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1404)e because it explains how you are conflating confidence with arrogance.

Except Satoshi wasn't a self-important dick (comparing yourself to Satoshi, really?) who thought his ideas / systems were perfect (or at least he didn't show it).

Did you miss @satoshi's rebuttal of @bytemaster.

Oh and you are not offended.  ::)

The checklist was an expressive form of "checking off" all …

Backsplaining and lying.

Btw, @Traxo and I both noticed you deleted one of his posts from this thread because you thought he was my sockpuppet.

When it comes to this forum, we'll sure as hell try.

Remember you banned Bitcointalk, not @iamnotback.

That is how it will go down in history.

For me, this is merely verbal exercise that I enjoy partaking in my free time.

Socialism has afforded you the funding to destroy production and become offended by (instead of respecting and admiring) confidence.

I think the world will change and all you useless trolls will find it very difficult to survive with your usual do-nothing busywork.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: four3200 on May 03, 2017, 06:43:28 AM
Quote
Refuting and working hard to win debates is not control. It is the free market of competition. Everyone else was free to do the same, until you intervened and snuffed the free market with your totalitarian hammer.

Coupled with the fact that this is the claimed OFFICIAL forum, de facto not de jure, of the very project that is the paramount of open money and open tech.

Mods your argument  that BCT is a private enterprise is not only laughable but offensive.

You have perhaps sunk this ship, with this very act.

The bitcoin.com/forum, and others are ready made rafts.

And this entire FORUM will likely recamp at some steem-like-rewards-based platform.

With glee.

Or you can re-in-state Shelby, say sorry my bad, and the few (very few) intelligent commentators remain on board.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Viper1 on May 03, 2017, 07:34:02 AM
This thread has become so entertaining. My favorite part is when Shelby quotes that ego article. It's like he's so convinced he's an A-lister that he fails to comprehend what a real A-lister has to say on the matter. Anyone that is or is close to A-listers knows without a doubt that Shelby is nothing more than a wannabe b-lister lol.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: kiklo on May 03, 2017, 07:48:14 AM
dinofelis is the same guy (anonymint) same style, same talking points.


Nope ,

I had week long arguments with both, definitely two different guys.   :)


This thread has become so entertaining. My favorite part is when Shelby quotes that ego article. It's like he's so convinced he's an A-lister that he fails to comprehend what a real A-lister has to say on the matter. Anyone that is or is close to A-listers knows without a doubt that Shelby is nothing more than a wannabe b-lister lol.


Which confirms what I posted earlier, whether you agree or disagree with him, he is probably the most entertaining poster in all of BTCTalk,
and his constant posting generates more ad revenue than others.

If Theymos wanted to play this a better way , would be to give Shelby his own Discussions forum and split the ad revenue with him for that forum.
Anyone that does not want to read Shelby thoughts can stay out of that specific forum.
Those that do, which are numerous , could enjoy it , without mods banning him for a rule system , that to be quite honest many here don't agree with anyway.
Permaban does nothing but kill a screen name as the technically literate can evade it, if they so choose.

Shelby brings up points that makes you think, some will agree some won't , but censorship of his thoughts in a forum that needs posts to gain more ad revenue is self defeating.

IMO, either kill the permaban or give the guy his own forum here and be done with it, because otherwise this meta forum will be the most popular of all your foums and take a lot of your Mods time that could be spent on better things.  
In trying to become another man's Jailer , you also imprison yourself with him.

 8)


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: BitWhale on May 03, 2017, 08:42:42 AM
^Technically he could start his own forum which could serve the same purpose without Theymos having to do anything at all. It'd actually be in his best interest because then there's no rules for him to follow and he is free to "centralize" his own forum as he sees fit. He supposedly already has a "giant following" & "thousands of readers", why not take them elsewhere if that is true?

The only thing I dislike about all of this is the fact that Spoetnik and others trolls are still around.. If you are going to ban for trolling, you can't ignore the self-proclaimed king of the throne. Equal punishment for similar offenses, that way we have less ammo as a community to be recreationally outraged with. :D


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: kiklo on May 03, 2017, 09:35:07 AM
^Technically he could start his own forum which could serve the same purpose without Theymos having to do anything at all. It'd actually be in his best interest because then there's no rules for him to follow and he is free to "centralize" his own forum as he sees fit. He supposedly already has a "giant following" & "thousands of readers", why not take them elsewhere if that is true?

The only thing I dislike about all of this is the fact that Spoetnik and others trolls are still around.. If you are going to ban for trolling, you can't ignore the self-proclaimed king of the throne. Equal punishment for similar offenses, that way we have less ammo as a community to be recreationally outraged with. :D

Nothing is more boring than watching sheep eat grass all day.

Throw in some wolves, and then you have something worth watching.  ;)

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2506246/images/o-WOLVES-facebook.jpg

 8)



Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Traxo on May 03, 2017, 10:09:04 AM
Btw, @Traxo and I both noticed you deleted one of his posts from this thread because you thought he was my sockpuppet.

Can confirm.

Posts like this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18815494#msg18815494) still stand, while mine (with same quotation + additional replies) is deleted.
Another post (not mine) with same quotation was posted with "For posterity" message added, but is removed.
This (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18816332#msg18816332) was written after my post.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 03, 2017, 10:09:44 AM
I just want to reiterate that I am totally at peace with not posting to BCT. I don't want to come back. I will not come back. I want to instead improve the paradigm, so that I can have what I think I want in a forum so as to be able to be more efficient and for moderation to be nonexclusive, unprivileged, and incorruptible.

I actually don't blame @mprep for the problem. He is just a follower, not a leader. And his attitude about political correctness and ego metrics is quite prevalent now amongst the millennials (even including up to many of the boomers). I don't blame him for being indoctrinated and ostensibly having his brain programmed by the culture and school system.

Frankly, until I have the features I want that can enable me to be more efficient on a forum, it is better for me to be banned so I don't waste time in this inefficient system we have now.

Similar to many of you, I learned a lot while on BCT. From my perspective, it served its purpose but I simply outgrew it. It's just time to create something that can grow with me to much higher levels.

And I think that is enough about me. Stop already please. Please stop petitioning for me.

Let's go into work mode and see if we can actually launch something and not just more and more and more talk.

^Technically he could start his own forum which could serve the same purpose without Theymos having to do anything at all.

Can you please stop with your nonsense already. I will create a decentralized forum. Can't you read  ???

This thread has become so entertaining. My favorite part is when Shelby quotes that ego article. It's like he's so convinced he's an A-lister that he fails to comprehend what a real A-lister has to say on the matter. Anyone that is or is close to A-listers knows without a doubt that Shelby is nothing more than a wannabe b-lister lol.

Your post exemplifies the ego issues of b-listers enumerated in the essay. Here you are all elbows and acrimony trying to convince yourself that I am not A-lister. It won't work out well for you though.

@mprep
Why are you even wasting your time on this person. He doesn't have a life! This pointless argument can go on forever and just wastes your precious time.
It will be great when we have the decentralized forum and I can simply click delete and your useless noise disappears for me and my important and valued followers.
Your riff-raff useless cohorts will be inundated with all your noisy useless postings.

You are too dumb to even begin to understand how you are contradicting yourself and what you have been saying for days now ;D

Right on cue with the metronome, here comes all the offended b-lister riff-raff.

Again it will get much more peaceful at the top where we A-listers operate once I have the features I want in a decentralized forum.

You riff-raff will have no voice and no one important will ever see your posts. You'll be permanently relegated to "riff-raff" jail where all you riff-raff and can read each others' posts that no one important ever sees due to our expert moderation. Decentralized of course, so it will be a free market outcome. If you can convince others to choose your moderation choices, then so be it. I am fairly certain that A-listers won't be choosing to follow your moderation and posts. A free market competition is all I need to falsify who are the b-listers and who are the A-listers.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Proof of Bullshit on May 03, 2017, 10:34:29 AM
@mprep
Why are you even wasting your time on this person. He doesn't have a life! This pointless argument can go on forever and just wastes your precious time.
It will be great when we have the decentralized forum and I can simply click delete and your useless noise disappears for me and my important and valued followers.
Your riff-raff useless cohorts will be inundated with all your noisy useless postings.

You are too dumb to even begin to understand how you are contradicting yourself and what you have been saying for days now ;D


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: four3200 on May 03, 2017, 11:37:04 AM
There is an ignore button, and there is no need for anything else.

If offended by troll then anyone can mute anyone else.

We don't need gatekeepers.

Even for bot spam, but that is more nuanced, most reasonable persons agree that a mechanism could exist to delete none human spammers.

banning is too controversial


Editing where and what is allowed on each board is still a right Mods can have.

That's power enough.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: mprep on May 03, 2017, 11:45:39 AM
@mprep
Why are you even wasting your time on this person. He doesn't have a life! This pointless argument can go on forever and just wastes your precious time.
I was just having some fun. Considering his last response, I feel my work here is done since it's no fun discussing with someone who not only keeps repeating himself but also ignores any explanation to his inaccurate accusations. Guess this month's "poke the pompous prick" carnival ride broke and I'll have to wait for the next one.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Viper1 on May 03, 2017, 11:51:57 AM
I just want to reiterate that I am totally at peace with not posting to BCT. I don't want to come back. I will not come back.
And yet you keep coming back as you prove yourself over and over to be weak willed and lacking in any self control.

I will create a decentralized forum.
Not to mention completely unfocused. You have so little self control that you allow your emotions to take you away from focusing on your more important project.

Your post exemplifies the ego issues of b-listers enumerated in the essay. Here you are all elbows and acrimony trying to convince yourself that I am not A-lister. It won't work out well for you though.
Funny. You exhibit every single trait outlined in that article about b-listers. Real A-listers and those that associate regularly with real A-listers recognize you as a b-lister. Your actions alone show a complete lack of A-lister personality traits.  You know what they say. If it walks like a b-lister, if it spouts off like a b-lister, it is a b-lister.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: dinofelis on May 03, 2017, 12:03:05 PM
dinofelis is the same guy (anonymint) same style, same talking points.

I don't know if I should take that as a compliment, or whether I should hurry seeking a psychiatrist  ;D

Seriously, I'm really not Shelby.  He's much more expert that I am, but he's also much more deluded than I am (and he considers me an idiot, which he would never think of himself).

To Shelby: go and do your thing now, that's much more important.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: jonald_fyookball on May 03, 2017, 12:32:20 PM
dinofelis is the same guy (anonymint) same style, same talking points.

I don't know if I should take that as a compliment, or whether I should hurry seeking a psychiatrist  ;D

Seriously, I'm really not Shelby.  He's much more expert that I am, but he's also much more deluded than I am (and he considers me an idiot, which he would never think of himself).

To Shelby: go and do your thing now, that's much more important.


^
I'm more convinced than ever that you are.  :D


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: dinofelis on May 03, 2017, 03:02:54 PM

^
I'm more convinced than ever that you are.  :D

If I am without knowing that myself, I REALLY need a psychiatrist !  :D

Hell, how am I going to find out ?  :o


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 03, 2017, 07:24:15 PM

@mprep
Why are you even wasting your time on this person. He doesn't have a life! This pointless argument can go on forever and just wastes your precious time.
I was just having some fun. Considering his last response, I feel my work here is done since it's no fun discussing with someone who not only keeps repeating himself but also ignores any explanation to his inaccurate accusations. Guess this month's "poke the pompous prick" carnival ride broke and I'll have to wait for the next one.

Enjoy the inane, centralized control privilege that enables idiots (janitors who produce nothing and only burn books) to obstruct production, because the end is near of that nonsense clusterfuck arrangement. It is a typical behavior these days of debt-funded, socialism, entitled Westerners (especially high prevalence amongst the Millennials youth) to whirl away their time on lolz activities (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18846356#msg18846356) which produce nothing-at-all. Men have turned into females wherein they pay more attention to attitude than who can produce the most and wage war most effectively. I wrote that I don't really blame you for being a predicament of the dominant cultural and centralized technological paradigms, although self-responsibility dictates you will be victim of it if you don't find a way to break out of its deleterious effect on your brain.

I stumbled onto Szabo's Law of the Dominant Paradigm (http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2006/09/law-of-dominant-paradigm.html), and it is a reasonable conjecture and explanation for the value of the groupthink which is apparently enforced by Bitcoin's moderation policies as cited by @mprep.



Seriously, I'm really not Shelby.  He's much more expert that I am, but he's also much more deluded than I am (and he considers me an idiot, which he would never think of himself).

Since our debate/discussions got cut off by the ban, let's make this 100% clear so as to set the foundation for any future discussion between us, such as if we continue on any future decentralized forum.

I have already stated upthread that my hope would be to only engage you on a decentralized forum wherein I could "edit your posts" for brevity and "delete" your insolent posts when they are accusing me of being deluded based on your unfalsifiable and unprovable theory of the confirmation bias you allege I have due to my investment of my effort over the past years in blockchain research and my Bitnet project. As I explained, these moderation actions would only appear for those who had chosen to have their forum client software follow me as a moderator. All your posts would remain fully intact on the blockchain, and any reader could view them if they want to. So in no way would I propose a system wherein I could censor you, yet if I am a popular moderator, I can influence you to structure your discussion to be more concise and to avoid adversarial ad hominem allegations that can't be falsified. You've demonstrated a tendency to jump to false confidence, which requires great effort on my part of unravel all the details necessary to point this out factually (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18846516#msg18846516). It is too much of a distraction from the main work I need to be doing, as you have also acknowledged as quoted below wherein you are encouraging me to focus on "do your thing".

We both have a high intellect; and I detect that your broad knowledge base is likely greater than mine considering you're probably an academic. Whereas, my highly specialized (maximum division-of-labor) knowledge base in blockchains and consensus algorithms is more high-end state-of-the-art than yours at the moment, simply because I've been intensely working in that area for past years. For example, before the mods cut me off, I was planning to explain why your conceptualization of proof-of-stake is incomplete or flawed. But that is another intensely detailed discussion and frankly it would be better to do it on the Bitnet forum wherein we want to compare the Bitnet consensus design to other technologies such as PoW and PoS. So actually it is better I got cut off for the time being, so I can focus on coding, not talking, debating, and explaining.

You're intense, haughty, insolent skepticism/pessimism/fatalism about the (lack of) importance of blockchains and Bitcoin (as well the similar insolent, haughty attitude that refuses to admit the possibility of a future worsening banking and economics crisis in Europe) is a major turnoff for me, because for example similar myopia presumably (most certainly) existed at the dawn of the Internet and the Great Depression and its ensuing Holocaust. You'll attribute my reaction to the confirmation bias you allege I have, yet my point as a visionary has always been to not miss the exponential change that humans can't detect in its nascent stages wherein for example aliasing error (remember the broken clock example upthread) would cause someone to presume that Bitcoin and blockchains are only about unregulated illegal activities, gambling and speculation. I think you're going to be eating humble pie at the rapid transformation of the importance of Bitcoin and blockchains over the coming years.

Your closed-mindedness (abuse of Occam's Razor and skepticism towards all major transformation, except for your religious devolution to Kurzweil's Singularity fatalistic sensationalism wherein man is destroyed (http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2011/01/singularity.html)) is a major turnoff for a visionary personality like mine. So any use of the word 'idiot' as a poor/lazy (need for concision) attempt to summarize the above, is more or less about aliasing error due to your personality traits. Whereas, although I do have a visionary leaning confirmation bias, I am very much open to facts which invalidate my perspective or theories. I have a very open-mind always receiving new data points and re-calibrating.

The timing of technological revolutions coincide with some key enabling factor. For example, the Second Industrial Revolution (mass production in factories) was enabled by the First Industrial Revolution (http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2006/01/letter-from-industrial-revolution.html) (e.g. steel fabrication). Szabo has written extensively1 about enabling factors of the Second Agricultural Revolution and the subsequent industrial revolutions. The Internet made possible and even necessary to solve the problem of decentralized consensus, i.e. blockchains. This is a technological revolution in its nascent stage which is going to significantly transform the world.

That I put this much effort into clarifying this for you, means that I do acknowledge your high intellect, but it frustrates my interaction with you, that you combine that high intellect with a disrespect for the seriousness of my blockchain work (and thus you feel it is appropriate to consume my time on verbose diversionary debates as your recreational activity) and a haughty, fatalistic perspective on the fate of mankind. Szabo explained (http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2011/01/singularity.html) that the Singularity requires that the maximum division-of-labor be invalid. I was trying to explain this you before in our prior discussion on the Singularity. You have a high intellect but a very haughty, fatalistic, myopic, near-sighted, aliasing error bias. We necessarily can only exist in a relavistic universe, and thus there can't be any all encompassing superior intelligence. Any reference point which you try to use to compute your surety of the coming absolute superiority of machine intelligence is invalidated by the chaos of non-local hidden variables (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1767014.msg18606675#msg18606675) of in the unification of quantum mechanics and General relativity (macroscopic mechanics) via the relavistic quantum mechanics theory. Moreover, mankind exists because mankind perceives his existence. If you remove mankind, then perspective that creates the existence of the world that we currently perceive to be reality, will no longer be.

P.S. my Theory of Everything blog actually points out that time travel is realistic when we become purely information, i.e. there is some unification yet also contrast with the Singularity concept. Had to put that on the back burner for the time being. We really need to dive into relativistic quantum mechanics in future when the urgent blockchain work is completed. Note my health issue is fading away rapidly now, and is no longer a hindrance. I'm approaching age 52 in June, yet for the first time in years I did consecutive days of 12 x 75 meter 100% effort sprints. My former 4.5s 40 yard dash speed is coming back. Also I am feeling the crazy power to go out and want to run more sprints after 30 minute of rest. I had completely lost that during my TB infection. I have such crazy power coming now that I've been trading LTC non-stop for the past week or more without sleeping much more than a 1 hour cat nap here and there. And then go out and run 2kms following by 12 sprints without any sleep! That is what I was before the TB. My crazy intense athletics is back so I don't need this forum any more. I have an outlet now to release/satiate/regulate my high levels of dopamine.

1http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2013/11/european-asian-divergence-predates.html
http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2011/06/trotting-ahead-of-malthus.html
http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2010/12/some-conjectures-and-facts-regarding.html
http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2011/06/agricultural-consequences-of-black.html

To Shelby: go and do your thing now, that's much more important.

Indeed.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 03, 2017, 10:32:29 PM
One more major issue about Bitcoin's coming transaction fees that needed to be clarified and was about to refute @Dorky, but got banned. So here is the missing information so @Dorky can hopefully understand his error:

But I am optimistic things will work out my way. My way is that both the whales and the non-whales will be transacting in the same blockchain each paying reasonable fee relative to their transaction value.

That is mathematically impossible if the block size remains 1MB, then there will be increasing transaction demand competing for limited block size space, thus miners must prioritize those transactions which pay the highest fees.

Since whales will have transactions which are say 1000 times higher in transferred value than minnows, so if whales are willing to pay 0.1% fee, then minnows will pay a 100% fee (i.e. they can't transact any more).

For example, when I withdraw BTC from Poloniex, Poloniex merges that output into a transaction with many outputs for other clients, thus one of Poloniex’s transactions can be worth much more than one individual’s.

If the miners have sole power to influence the fee, then even the whales (forget the non-whales that @iamnotback said will be forced out of the blockchain) will be forced to pay higher and even higher fee and compete among themselves to get confirmed to the point of total breakdown in the bitcoin economy. That's a very lousy game theory, I say.

At the point that miners are making too much profit off of whales, the whales are economically incentivized to rent hashrate, mine their own blocks, and pay the fees to themselves. Thus ultimately, the miners and the whales are economically the same entities.

Your reasoning/logic based on game theory is flawed/incomplete.

A dialogue...
Whale: I am not going to send you transaction if you charge me fee.
Miner A: Where will you send your transaction?
Whale: To miner B.
Miner B: So you want me to NOT charge you any fee?
Whale: Yes.
Miner B: And if I refuse?
Whale: I will take my business to miner C.
Miner C: What now?
Whale: Okay, I pay my fee to you.
Miner A & Miner B: Get lost!
Whale: Well, at least I still pay.
Miner A & Miner B: Bluffer!

The next whale (whale #2) shows up...
Whale 2: Hi! I am here to make a deal.
Miner A: Fuck off and die if it's about free transaction.
Whale 2: Urmmmm...... no. I pay.
Miner A: Good.

The whales and the miners are economically the same entities, per the math above. Your imaginary dialogue is complete nonsense from an economics analysis perspective.

And that is why I stated that the dolphins (the $millionaires) will be paying the fees for the whales. The whales will pay no fees. And the minnows will be kicked off the blockchain by the high fees.

My analysis was mathematically cogent. You simply couldn't visualize the math without me spelling it out for you ABCDEFG.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: ulhaq on May 03, 2017, 11:47:46 PM
I am shocked at this decision to ban him. I did not see any trollish posts. One of the reason I was attracted to these forums was because of the openness of discussion, which is not present in other places. Obviously it makes sense due to the culture of the cryptocommunity.

I'm sure this decision will negatively impact bitcointalk in the future more than iamnotback, who is being banned.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: jonald_fyookball on May 04, 2017, 12:09:20 AM
I am shocked at this decision to ban him. I did not see any trollish posts. One of the reason I was attracted to these forums was because of the openness of discussion, which is not present in other places. Obviously it makes sense due to the culture of the cryptocommunity.

I'm sure this decision will negatively impact bitcointalk in the future more than iamnotback, who is being banned.

a huge number of sock puppets.  this guy literally loves to talk to himself.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 04, 2017, 12:11:29 AM
You know what they say.

How could someone who is acting like B-lister by trying to bait me into an argument possibly have any comprehension of what an A-lister does. An A-lister wouldn't waste his time doing what you're doing.

Eric Raymond is certainly a A-lister, and if you posted some crap like that to his blog, he would also either humiliate you or delete your post.

Unfortunately the Ignore feature of this forum doesn't work very well. It continues to show me the blanked out posts of those I Ignored and replies to those I ignored. I want an Ignore feature that erases you entirely from my view, so you can't come back to haunt me when someone I don't Ignore decides to reply to you. It is an unfortunate feature of this forum that is subjects us to trolls we don't want to have to deal with. That is why for example, you won't see an A-lister such as Eric Raymond posting extensively in a forum where he can be torn to shreds in a battle of attrition by 100s of anonymous newbie trolls who want to take pot shots at the top dog. I participated in BCT because I wanted to learn everything I could about the blockchain technology and the community. It was a necessary sacrifice that subjected me to a lot of strife that A-listers would refuse to get mired in. But sometimes we have to step down to be subjected B-lister activity in order to attain the grassroots knowledge that can aid us to accomplish A-lister paradigm shifts.

The most appropriate quoted from that essay that pertains to me is (and with the italic emphasis on the word lonely), especially given I've been trapped in the Philippines since 2006 (a country where it is impossible for me to find a technological peer):

… the more prone you are to welcome discovering new peers because there are so damn few of them that it gets lonely. There comes a point past which winning more ego contests becomes so pointless that even the most ambitious, suspicious, external-validation-fixated strivers tend to notice that it’s no fun any more and stop.

On this forum, @smooth is my peer (we are nearly at par) when it comes to accuracy of logic, but afaics creativity wise he is not my peer. And him being anonymous is major disappointment for me because I want "jamming" (real interaction) in voice, etc while doing creative production. And in other ways I am not up to par on his level such as his interests in mining coins, finance, chess; I'm more hyperfocused on creativity and find those other interests to be dilutive. My one major alternative outlet is intensive, competitive sports. There are dozen others who are roughly high functioning intellectual level peers such as @dinofelis, @ArticMine, @gmaxwell, @johoe, @andytoshi, @aminorex, @miscreanity, etc.. and I'm not up to par with them in formal math education. Yet so far I don't see any of them as my peers on the creativity level. In terms of creativity, I admire @satoshi (although I don't think he was one person), @bytemaster, @tonych, and perhaps others I am not thinking of at the moment.

We'll soon know if you were correct or not.

Btw, you are such a clueless B-lister that you didn't realize this entire thread is the most valuable marketing campaign I could possibly get for Bitnet's coming decentralized forum.  ;) Now that is how an A-lister outsmarted you and made you think he was doing B-lister activity while he was actually most efficiently accomplishing a goal.   8)

That you are capable of causing the thread to devolve into a noisy pissing contest because the forum does not empower me to be my own moderator, is advertising why we need the decentralized forum improvements I've written about in this thread.

So do please continue to devolve the thread and exemplify your B-lister traits.

My favorite part is when Shelby quotes that ego article.

And yet you still don't comprehend the essay as you continue to exhibit B-lister activity.

Elevate your game if you can. And stop the elbows and acrimony.



And here is another example of where I would just decide to make this guy entirely disappear from my view so I never see anything he writes ever again, because he is delusional:

a huge number of sock puppets.  this guy literally loves to talk to himself.

He has been told that I don't have sockpuppets yet he persists in making a false allegation while the irony is he is anonymous and I am not anonymous.

The insanity of this forum.

Sometimes I wonder if these guys are paid to disrupt all productive activities.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: theymos on May 04, 2017, 03:27:36 AM
He has several accounts all banned for ban evasion. It seems that the underlying offense which caused him to initially get into trouble (and often the thing which causes his alts to get noticed) is excessive multi-posting. But when he was warned and/or temporarily banned for this minor thing, he kept evading his bans. This forum cannot operate unless its few rules are followed, so ignoring the warnings and temporary bans that you receive and continuing to do the same stuff is unacceptable. People who do so are not welcome here.

His bans will not automatically expire, and any future alts we see from him will be permabanned. I may manually reconsider his ban if he promises to actually try not to break forum rules. The rules are not meant to silence anyone, but to keep the forum usable and fair. When someone multi-posts excessively, it monopolizes a thread in a way which harms everyone else's ability to communicate. Based on his posts in this thread, I think that he will just continue to break rules if unbanned, so I will not unban him at this time.

bitcointalk.org is not a normal for-profit company. Even if banning iamnotback somehow stopped all future ad revenue, he would still be banned, since his rule-breaking is disrupting the forum's mission of hosting free discussion of Bitcoin and related topics. (As explained above, "free discussion" is not "unmoderated discussion".) Similarly, I would welcome effective competition from decentralized forums, and I would be thrilled to be able to shut down bitcointalk.org in favor of a better-in-all-ways decentralized alternative. But although decentralized forums have existed for a long time (eg. Freenet's FMS is almost exactly what iamnotback keeps describing, and has existed since before Bitcoin), they have unfortunately not been widely used since the era of the semi-decentralized Usenet system, mainly due to vastly inferior usability.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Dorky on May 04, 2017, 04:08:31 AM
The whales and the miners are economically the same entities, per the math above. Your imaginary dialogue is complete nonsense from an economics analysis perspective.

And that is why I stated that the dolphins (the $millionaires) will be paying the fees for the whales. The whales will pay no fees. And the minnows will be kicked off the blockchain by the high fees.

My analysis was mathematically cogent. You simply couldn't visualize the math without me spelling it out for you ABCDEFG.

Stupid idiot.

The main primary purpose of bitcoin is NOT to financially milk the sheeps, BUT to digitally track the activities and properties of them.
What you are analyzing is based on what is happening TODAY.
In the future, things will change.
That's why they are testing out PoS and other non-PoW proposals.
The moment bitcoin activates segwit, your whole stupid thesis falls apart in your face.

Scum.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: jonald_fyookball on May 04, 2017, 04:14:36 AM
The whales and the miners are economically the same entities, per the math above. Your imaginary dialogue is complete nonsense from an economics analysis perspective.

And that is why I stated that the dolphins (the $millionaires) will be paying the fees for the whales. The whales will pay no fees. And the minnows will be kicked off the blockchain by the high fees.

My analysis was mathematically cogent. You simply couldn't visualize the math without me spelling it out for you ABCDEFG.

Stupid idiot.

The main primary purpose of bitcoin is NOT to financially milk the sheeps, BUT to digitally track the activities and properties of them.
What you are analyzing is based on what is happening TODAY.
In the future, things will change.
That's why they are testing out PoS and other non-PoW proposals.
The moment bitcoin activates segwit, your whole stupid thesis falls apart in your face.

Scum.

lol... im not falling for it.  dorky is another sock.  

whats with you man



Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Dorky on May 04, 2017, 04:19:06 AM
Since whales will have transactions which are say 1000 times higher in transferred value than minnows, so if whales are willing to pay 0.1% fee, then minnows will pay a 100% fee (i.e. they can't transact any more).

The whales make up over 80% of all bitcoin supply, leaving only <20% to the bottom 90% and that makes little financial difference whether to retain or oust them out of the blockchain. And 0.1% fee is already a reality today with all the minnows.

You have unjustified nightmare imagination.


At the point that miners are making too much profit off of whales, the whales are economically incentivized to rent hashrate, mine their own blocks, and pay the fees to themselves. Thus ultimately, the miners and the whales are economically the same entities.

The whales and the miners are economically the same entities, per the math above. Your imaginary dialogue is complete nonsense from an economics analysis perspective.

1. If ALL the minnows are completely 100% out of bitcoin blockchain, then WHO will pay the fee to feed the miners? Nobody! Then what's the point of pushing the minnows out? There is no point.
2. If the whales are the same as the miners, then pushing out all the minnows and earn ZERO fee instead of retaining them and earn some fee is unwise.

You keep talking about pushing out the minnows based entirely on miners' greed.
You don't really understand game theory entirely.

Without the minnows, who will pay the fee to the miners?
Who will make up for the difference once ALL the minnows left?
Answer me, you retard!


If bitcoin is reserved only for the whales, the top $billionaires and $trillionaires, then I sincerely say you have no fcking idea what's the primary purpose of bitcoin.
If you think bitcoin is made to fight the tyrant governments and sideline the banksters, you are really an idiot.
Bitcoin wasn't made reserved for the top elites.
Bitcoin was made for us sheeps.
The altcoins are just 1) distraction, 2) sandboxes to test out proposals.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: dinofelis on May 04, 2017, 05:51:04 AM
I have already stated upthread that my hope would be to only engage you on a decentralized forum wherein I could "edit your posts" for brevity and "delete" your insolent posts when they are accusing me of being deluded

Visibly your "insolence meter" is asymmetrically calibrated.  This is probably one of the reasons why you end up banned from online social interaction here, which, from an intellectual point of view, can be regrettable, but which, on the side of politeness, is understandable.

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As I explained, these moderation actions would only appear for those who had chosen to have their forum client software follow me as a moderator. All your posts would remain fully intact on the blockchain, and any reader could view them if they want to. So in no way would I propose a system wherein I could censor you, yet if I am a popular moderator, I can influence you to structure your discussion to be more concise and to avoid adversarial ad hominem allegations that can't be falsified.

Such a rudimentary system existed in the 1990-ies as I said before: it was called usenet, and had a simple, decentralized protocol: NNTP.  Nobody ever bothered writing a filter script on top of it, but that is something that could be done with not too much hassle.  usenet died because it crumbled under gigabytes of daily spam ; but what is spam for one, is interesting for another one.  I used to hang around in the sci.physics section, where every lunatic was exposing his rants about his theories of the universe, making normal talk about normal physics essentially impossible.  That's how sci.physics.research was born, with moderation.  Now, of course, to most of us, those lunatic "original thinkers" were spammers writing every thread full of bullshit, but for a limited audience, they were of course visionaries that exposed the conspiracy and idiocy of academia.  So who's to decide ?  Of course you could add blacklists.  Yes, you could even distribute black lists.  But it was a pain.

On the other hand, if you want to vent your own opinions, the internet allows you to have your personal blog where you are master.  Nobody stops you from citing other blogs, picking out what you like, and comment it.  If you are a popular blogger, people will read your stuff.

However, attracting attention to your blog is much more work that profiting from the attraction of an existing centralized forum.  I guess that's why you are here - that's why I am here: both of us want the easiness of picking in on the existing success and social gathering of this forum, instead of going through the difficulty of trying to build such a community from scratch, with all chances of it failing.  I want to have people answering my stuff, so that I can learn from it, and I have my own method of provoking answers, which is not necessarily adversarial to the system I'm (ab)using.  The price to pay to profit from some other entities' popularity, is to accept their power and rules. BTW, this is why many decentralized systems are doomed: people, in general, are willing to pay a price of power, to get easiness back from it.   Usenet was a precursor of decentralized discussion.  People prefer, by large, centralized versions of it.   If you want to have decentralized discussion, restart usenet, and add a "Joe's moderation preferences" script to it, with a moderated group mod.prefs.joe, which contains the encodings of his daily moderation preferences ; or Joe can also put his moderation preferences on his web site.  Nothing difficult.  Nobody will use it.  Hell, there were moderated groups on usenet too, the only ones that were actually usable.  Everybody could start his own moderated group.  Most people didn't.

I've been moderating scientific discussions for a long time, until I really got enough of it.  I respect the moderators on a big forum like this: it is an ungrateful job, and it is difficult to keep one's cool sometimes.  Of course, sometimes, when things don't happen the way you think is fair, a suspicion of conspiracy against your ideas is easy, because the power structure is opaque.  As I've seen the other side for years, and if you see the free investment by people, you know that this is most likely not the case.

This is, BTW, something that crypto is entirely killing: free engagement.  Everything that was freely given away, is now subject to accountancy.  Your idle computing time that could be used for voluntary projects, is taken away because you can use it to mine some coins ; discussing on a blog becomes an act to be paid for in coins ; when free generosity becomes a matter of accountancy, there's no fun to be had any more.  Crypto is killing the last bit of freedom by trying to make everything to be paid for.

You are popular.  You can have a popular blog.  You can of course copy whatever you want from this forum to comment on your blog.  That's exactly what you are proposing.  What's the problem ?


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: dinofelis on May 04, 2017, 08:33:46 AM
a huge number of sock puppets.  this guy literally loves to talk to himself.

Why are you on a forum where there are essentially, to your view, only two participants: "you and your sock puppets" and "us" ?

That said, it comes close to my view on the world: "me", and "the others" :)


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 04, 2017, 09:33:11 AM
He has several accounts all banned for ban evasion. It seems that the underlying offense which caused him to initially get into trouble (and often the thing which causes his alts to get noticed) is excessive multi-posting.

I am not the one who allows multiple duplicate threads on the same subjects, thus forcing me to copy posts to the multiple threads on the same topics.

It is not a logically valid reason for perma-banning.

I've always wondered why your mods are so derelict that they can't stop the duplication of threads on the same subject matter.

But when he was warned and/or temporarily banned for this minor thing, he kept evading his bans.

Because your ban was inane for the reason I stated above. I refuse to follow inane rules made by unorganized fools.

This forum cannot operate unless its few rules are followed, so ignoring the warnings and temporary bans that you receive and continuing to do the same stuff is unacceptable.

Thus your policy is that posting in all the threads on the same subject matter is unacceptable. And whose fault is that. Duh.

People who do so are not welcome here.

And that is why your forum will die. And is dying.

I've also heard you were also censoring on Reddit.

His bans will not automatically expire, and any future alts we see from him will be permabanned. I may manually reconsider his ban if he promises to actually try not to break forum rules.

http://i.imgur.com/EQ2AwGd.gif

I will never promise to respect idiots who are corrupt, unorganized, and make inane rules.

Besides why would I allow you to be an authority over me, when I can simply disrupt your paradigm and destroy your corruption. The latter is much more sane and inspirational.

I am not coming back to your insane asylum. The final posts will be made here in this Meta thread.

The rules are not meant to silence anyone, but to keep the forum usable and fair. When someone multi-posts excessively, it monopolizes a thread in a way which harms everyone else's ability to communicate.

If by "multi-posts" you are referring to fact that I post multiple responses to different individuals in a thread, then your rule is batshit insane. How else am I supposed to conduct myself if I am not able to discuss all the issues presented in the thread. And my posts are often incredibly detailed because of the nature of the subject matter and thus necessarily too long to merge multiple posts into a single post, even though I do that often with horizontal rules separators. I fail to see the major difference between multiple posts and multiple posts merge into one post. It is the same content regardless.

Essentially your inane rule is that you are throttling how much effort someone can put into making content for your forum. That is stupid.

You are arbitrarily silencing me because others don't like the fact that I work very hard to cover all the issues.

If you really want a throttle, then simply institute one, some maximum number of posts per hour for example.

Based on his posts in this thread, I think that he will just continue to break rules if unbanned, so I will not unban him at this time.

http://i.imgur.com/EQ2AwGd.gif

Correct. And it will never change until you fix your problem. Or more likely, until I fix the problem and render your forum irrelevant.

bitcointalk.org is not a normal for-profit company. Even if banning iamnotback somehow stopped all future ad revenue, he would still be banned, since his rule-breaking is disrupting the forum's mission of hosting free discussion of Bitcoin and related topics.

You're disrupting your own forum. The end is near.

Similarly, I would welcome effective competition from decentralized forums, and I would be thrilled to be able to shut down bitcointalk.org in favor of a better-in-all-ways decentralized alternative.

I could almost like you, if I could possibly understand your behavior in allegedly censoring at Reddit and the inane throttling of my ability to create incredibly valuable content.

It is possible to turn my attitude into a positive one, if you simply fix the inane nonsense.

I'm quite amiable with people who don't destroy value. It is not difficult to be my friend, as my friends will attest.

But corruption and inane destruction of value will justifiably continue to earn my ire. I never intentionally put myself on the wrong side of what is correct. Those who do simply have some vested interest which prevents them from doing so or blindness to the correct reality.

But although decentralized forums have existed for a long time (eg. Freenet's FMS is almost exactly what iamnotback keeps describing, and has existed since before Bitcoin), they have unfortunately not been widely used since the era of the semi-decentralized Usenet system, mainly due to vastly inferior usability.

FMS is a messaging system (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet#Communication), not a forum. You don't seem to understand most basic issues of technology, because there is no way that Freenet could implement a forum because afaik it doesn't have any distributed consensus on ordering of data in time. It is a P2P file sharing system, not a blockchain.

Also there are bound to be a huge laundry list with usability issues by any software created by an academic who doesn't have experience in creating commercial user facing software. For example, I don't even know if there is a web browser interface so that someone doesn't have to download an app just to taste it. And any mobile apps available?



Meanwhile in Venezuela (http://imgur.com/gallery/bBGCL).



Edit on May 5:

Someone sent me a PM suggesting that I try to compromise with @Theymos. I declined. The reason is because I've been compromising for the past 4 years dealing with this inane insane asylum forum. I am tired of fighting with all the trolls and being blindsided by moderation. I think I need to create something better. I don't think I need to go backwards into the cesspool. So thanks, but no thanks. If BCT is improved, I might change my mind.

To elaborate a bit, I am a pragmatic person and did choose to use BCT rather than attempt a more difficult challenge. I am normally a person who is willing to compromise in order to facilitate the most efficient path forward. But I also learned in life that once you've been severely abused, if you come back for more, you'll be abused more. The pattern we see early in a relationship never changes. I have learned from life, that what we see is what we get. People don't change.

So no! I am not going to come back for more abuse. Sorry. There is no possible compromise other than if BCT is improved to fix what is causing the problems. But of course it won't be improved ever. It won't change.

Additionally the rules are ambiguous and arbitrary and I would have to walk on eggshells. Sorry I don't want to live my life worried about everything. BCT isn't worth the headaches.

I do not want to continue discussions on a site where I have deal with so many trolls and don't have the moderation tools available so I can efficiently squelch their strife. It simply isn't worth the disruption to production. It is a cesspool of noise and strife. I don't want my important technological content being buried and obscured by trolls and subject to deletion by mods. It creates too much duplication of work and wastes enormous quantities of time dealing with crap. This time could be better invested in productive activities.

To the idiot who keeps sending me PMs and thinks he knows better than me, you're just another troll. Please stop. It has nothing to do with my ego. It has to do with stopping the daily strife, so that I can get work done. Stop being so worried about how I will market my project. I know what I am doing. And you don't! So please STFU and stop sending me PMs. I don't need your advice nor your opinion. It's just more noise. I get so much noise from this forum. If you can do something important, go do it. Stop running your mouth and causing me to waste more time explaining it to you. I don't need to explain. I know what I am doing and that is the only person who needs to know at this juncture.

A permissionless crypto-currency is not well matched to a permissioned forum. Mavericks don't attain greatness by compromising their goals and ideals and pussy footing around.

Oh btw, I never wrote that I wouldn't consider buying advertising (from @Theymos or from users' signature space) in the future. It remains a possibility, although there are other choices as well such as Coindesk, Coinmarketcap, etc.. I haven't analyzed that yet. Too premature.

Due to the recent changes implemented by theymos I would not trust to post in a thread I've not started. Sorry.

Re: MPOE-PR Perma-Banned after warning, Temp Ban more appropriate?

You don't get banned for swearing at a moderator. MPOE-PR was asked to stop spamming/trolling by Maged, and rather than stopping, she swore at him. The act of insulting Maged itself didn't get her banned, it was the warning, and then lack of acknowledgement of the warning that got the ban.

As much as MPOE-PR (Mircea Popescu) was hated she/he was usually right when he called bullshit (and that's why people hated him). He had Bitfinex pegged in 2013: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=230182.0


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 04, 2017, 11:10:05 AM
I have already stated upthread that my hope would be to only engage you on a decentralized forum wherein I could "edit your posts" for brevity and "delete" your insolent posts when they are accusing me of being deluded

Visibly your "insolence meter" is asymmetrically calibrated.

As I already wrote, the group leader/expert should moderate asymmetrically when the subject matter is perceived to be insolent to group's mission or thesis:

One hundred expert moderated groups will trounce a one-size-fits-all totalitarianism and socialist least common denominator clusterfuck. The reason Medium is succeeding is because all the important people post there, including for example superstars such as Nicholas Taleb.

Experts refuse to waste their time having discussions where they don't have sufficient moderation control in order to keep the discussion on point of the expert's group focus.

Even I am proposing to improve upon that, by having all moderation actions be entirely optional to follow since all the data remains immutable on the decentralized blockchain.

But entirely the point is that we should have a common hub for discussion but allow different groups to prioritize/filter what content they don't wish to interact with. So that everyone can co-exist in the greater economies-of-scale of a common nexus of activity without forcing all users to the least common denominator.

You'd be welcome to go lead your own group else stop being insolent to the astute thesis of the group expert:



You're intense, haughty, insolent skepticism/pessimism/fatalism about the (lack of) importance of blockchains and Bitcoin … yet my point as a visionary has always been to not miss the exponential change that humans can't detect in its nascent stages wherein for example aliasing error (remember the broken clock example upthread) would cause someone to presume that Bitcoin and blockchains are only about unregulated illegal activities, gambling and speculation. I think you're going to be eating humble pie at the rapid transformation of the importance of Bitcoin and blockchains over the coming years.



The timing of technological revolutions coincide with some key enabling factor. For example, the Second Industrial Revolution (mass production in factories) was enabled by the First Industrial Revolution (http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2006/01/letter-from-industrial-revolution.html) (e.g. steel fabrication). Szabo has written extensively1 about enabling factors of the Second Agricultural Revolution and the subsequent industrial revolutions. The Internet made possible and even necessary to solve the problem of decentralized consensus, i.e. blockchains. This is a technological revolution in its nascent stage which is going to significantly transform the world.



This is probably one of the reasons why you end up banned from online social interaction here, which, from an intellectual point of view, can be regrettable, but which, on the side of politeness, is understandable.

There you go again with your aliasing error. You form batshit insane conclusions from point samples, as if you looked up at a stopped clock at 6am and 6pm and concluded the clock was functioning properly.

I have no problem in a social setting when I can remove the riff-raff trolls from the conversation I am participating in. Either I am leading that group or I find the group leader's moderation to be agreeable to me else I don't participate (and that is why I no longer participate in BCT). I already explained that this forum doesn't allow one to effectively form groups:

Unfortunately the Ignore feature of this forum doesn't work very well. It continues to show me the blanked out posts of those I Ignored and replies to those I ignored. I want an Ignore feature that erases you entirely from my view, so you can't come back to haunt me when someone I don't Ignore decides to reply to you. It is an unfortunate feature of this forum that is subjects us to trolls we don't want to have to deal with. That is why for example, you won't see an A-lister such as Eric Raymond posting extensively in a forum where he can be torn to shreds in a battle of attrition by 100s of anonymous newbie trolls who want to take pot shots at the top dog.

Instead it is a one-size-fits-all least common denominator clusterfuck wherein we have paid trolls like @jonald_fyookball writing delusional nonsense as follows:

a huge number of sock puppets.  this guy literally loves to talk to himself.

Why are you on a forum where there are essentially, to your view, only two participants: "you and your sock puppets" and "us" ?


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 04, 2017, 12:18:18 PM
Are you missing out on this Litecoin action or just hiding in the shadows?

He has stated to us in private (Crypto.cat chat) that there is a high probability that LTC will decline to the 0.0107 - 0.0112 region before noon on May 1 UTC, and that would be a firm bottom. His prediction for the next major top some weeks later is 0.016+. The ATH of 0.05 is on the longer-term horizon.

He had also predicted the rise from 0.01017 to 0.0122, because it is mimicking the pattern from late March and early April (see the crash low and rebound and crash again in early April). The intersections of the Fibonnaci concentric circles is also providing these predictions for inflection points.

Did anyone notice LTC declined to below 0.011 yesterday as I had precisely predicted in this thread when the price was much higher (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18814151#msg18814151).

Next stop 0.016+ (http://imgur.com/a/JSKaI).

Note how the pattern matches from April 23 (http://i.imgur.com/SRPVJ2e.png), except the lows are not as low, thus indicating the next rise will make a higher high instead of a lower high. And I have a theory about (http://i.imgur.com/mkldkL7.png) alternating downwards and upwards staircase steps, with the angle of ascent increasing.

I advised buying LTC when it was $7 and less than 0.006. Now it is $20+ and 0.0014+. I wrote on April 2, that LTC would have to catch up on making its ATH before BTC could make significant progress on its new ATH. Thus once again my prediction was correct.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: iTradeChips on May 04, 2017, 01:53:39 PM
Are you missing out on this Litecoin action or just hiding in the shadows?

He has stated to us in private (Crypto.cat chat) that there is a high probability that LTC will decline to the 0.0107 - 0.0112 region before noon on May 1 UTC, and that would be a firm bottom. His prediction for the next major top some weeks later is 0.016+. The ATH of 0.05 is on the longer-term horizon.

He had also predicted the rise from 0.01017 to 0.0122, because it is mimicking the pattern from late March and early April (see the crash low and rebound and crash again in early April). The intersections of the Fibonnaci concentric circles is also providing these predictions for inflection points.

Did anyone notice LTC declined to below 0.011 yesterday as I had precisely predicted in this thread when the price was much higher (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18814151#msg18814151).

Next stop 0.016+ (http://imgur.com/a/JSKaI).

Note how the pattern matches from April 23 (http://i.imgur.com/SRPVJ2e.png), except the lows are not as low, thus indicating the next rise will make a higher high instead of a lower high. And I have a theory about (http://i.imgur.com/mkldkL7.png) alternating downwards and upwards staircase steps, with the angle of ascent increasing.

I advised buying LTC when it was $7 and less than 0.006. Now it is $20+ and 0.0014+. I wrote on April 2, that LTC would have to catch up on making its ATH before BTC could make significant progress on its new ATH. Thus once again my prediction was correct.


good to see you posting again man. would you advise to take profits on LTC now at 0.0140-0.0145 range? if so what will be a good buyback price?


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Thenoticer on May 04, 2017, 02:46:01 PM
Are you missing out on this Litecoin action or just hiding in the shadows?

He has stated to us in private (Crypto.cat chat) that there is a high probability that LTC will decline to the 0.0107 - 0.0112 region before noon on May 1 UTC, and that would be a firm bottom. His prediction for the next major top some weeks later is 0.016+. The ATH of 0.05 is on the longer-term horizon.

He had also predicted the rise from 0.01017 to 0.0122, because it is mimicking the pattern from late March and early April (see the crash low and rebound and crash again in early April). The intersections of the Fibonnaci concentric circles is also providing these predictions for inflection points.

Did anyone notice LTC declined to below 0.011 yesterday as I had precisely predicted in this thread when the price was much higher (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18814151#msg18814151).

Next stop 0.016+ (http://imgur.com/a/JSKaI).

Note how the pattern matches from April 23 (http://i.imgur.com/SRPVJ2e.png), except the lows are not as low, thus indicating the next rise will make a higher high instead of a lower high. And I have a theory about (http://i.imgur.com/mkldkL7.png) alternating downwards and upwards staircase steps, with the angle of ascent increasing.

I advised buying LTC when it was $7 and less than 0.006. Now it is $20+ and 0.0014+. I wrote on April 2, that LTC would have to catch up on making its ATH before BTC could make significant progress on its new ATH. Thus once again my prediction was correct.

Simply in awe. The advice has been amazing. Wish I had something to contribute to the conversation. Waynes World moment...[We're not Worthy!!!]


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 05, 2017, 07:40:30 AM
In the future, things will change.

The moment bitcoin activates segwit, your whole stupid thesis falls apart in your face.

I don't think so. The whales have no incentive to allow it to change. The whales (miners and hodler whales) have and will continue to block SegWit and any other changes which remove their mathematical economic dominance as I described it. @dinofelis and I seem to agree on this point.

I even claim that Satoshi premeditated designed it this way. Of course whenever I claim that, it causes @dinofelis to accuse me of being delusional and having a confirmation bias.

That's why they are testing out PoS and other non-PoW proposals.

This will never happen for the reason I stated above and also because of the huge investment in ASIC mining farms and ASIC engineering (e.g. Bitmain).

Litecoin has been designated the offchain (thus regulated) scaling coin. Bitcoin will remain the on chain, unregulated but only for those who can afford to pay the egregious transaction fees that are coming in the future years.

The whales make up over 80% of all bitcoin supply, leaving only <20% to the bottom 90% and that makes little financial difference whether to retain or oust them out of the blockchain. And 0.1% fee is already a reality today with all the minnows.

You have unjustified nightmare imagination.

That is not a refutation of the math I provided.

You seem to have difficulty comprehending the math, as evident by your reply which makes no logical point w.r.t. math I provided.

1. If ALL the minnows are completely 100% out of bitcoin blockchain, then WHO will pay the fee to feed the miners? Nobody! Then what's the point of pushing the minnows out? There is no point.

I already stated that the dolphins (those who are $millionaires now) will. They will pay the high transaction fees because they want to transact on chain, unregulated.

The minnows are entirely worthless and insignificant. As usual, the sheep are pushed out on to the regulated farm so they can be harvested for economic parasitism by the shadow elite.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 05, 2017, 10:24:31 AM
As I explained, these moderation actions would only appear for those who had chosen to have their forum client software follow me as a moderator. All your posts would remain fully intact on the blockchain, and any reader could view them if they want to. So in no way would I propose a system wherein I could censor you, yet if I am a popular moderator, I can influence you to structure your discussion to be more concise and to avoid adversarial ad hominem allegations that can't be falsified.

Such a rudimentary system existed in the 1990-ies as I said before: it was called usenet, and had a simple, decentralized protocol: NNTP.

Afaik, NNTP is not decentralized consensus. Rather it is a single news server which is the canonical source and other servers can mirror it.

usenet died because it crumbled under gigabytes of daily spam

Thus it didn't have my moderation feature. And it didn't charge a minuscule microtransaction fee to post, which is the another aspect I'm planning. Steemit already does this, you don't do any activity on the blockchain without paying a fee, but the fee on Steemit is a quota instead of deduction from your token balance (yet your token balance is debased, so same effect as charging a fee). On Bitnet, the fees are burned, so the money supply shrinks and thus your tokens become more valuable.

… moderation …  So who's to decide ?  Of course you could add blacklists.  Yes, you could even distribute black lists.  But it was a pain.

A poorly designed and programmed system is not a refutation of my plans.

On the other hand, if you want to vent your own opinions, the internet allows you to have your personal blog where you are master.

A blog page with trailing comments, and self-moderated forum thread are essentially the same thing.

However, there are advantages to the economies-of-scale of having a unified GUI and feature set for all threads.

Also I hub of threads, i.e. a forum, yields economies-of-scale in readers and content browsing/searching.

However, attracting attention to your blog is much more work that profiting from the attraction of an existing centralized forum.

The forum canonical source doesn't need to be centralized. Perhaps you mean having the common hub or nexus of a list of threads that can be browsed and searched. Indeed.

I guess that's why you are here - that's why I am here: both of us want the easiness of picking in on the existing success and social gathering of this forum, instead of going through the difficulty of trying to build such a community from scratch, with all chances of it failing.

I am up for the challenge of trying to create a decentralized forum technology that could end up being used by a billion users.

BCT is but a speck of sand at the beach, compared to what I have in mind.

The price to pay to profit from some other entities' popularity, is to accept their power and rules.

There you go with your aliasing error again. You constructed a strawman. I don't need to pay a price. Just create a better mousetrap and watch the world choose to use it, instead of the inferior forum software out there now.

BTW, this is why many decentralized systems are doomed: people, in general, are willing to pay a price of power, to get easiness back from it.

Decentralized forums don't need to suffer any disadvantages and can have many advantages, if they are designed well.

Usenet was a precursor of decentralized discussion.

Not really. Please stop comparing archaic crap to my plans. Usenet is not all similar to what I have in my plans.

Everybody could start his own moderated group.  Most people didn't.

Correct most people are followers, not leaders. You have this habit of failing to assimilate what I already wrote upthread (like you have selective reading comprehension):

One hundred expert moderated groups will trounce a one-size-fits-all totalitarianism and socialist least common denominator clusterfuck. The reason Medium is succeeding is because all the important people post there, including for example superstars such as Nicholas Taleb.

Experts refuse to waste their time having discussions where they don't have sufficient moderation control in order to keep the discussion on point of the expert's group focus.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 05, 2017, 11:39:31 AM
Edit on May 5:

Someone sent me a PM suggesting that I try to compromise with @Theymos. I declined. The reason is because I've been compromising for the past 4 years dealing with this inane insane asylum forum. I am tired of fighting with all the trolls and being blindsided by moderation. I think I need to create something better. I don't think I need to go backwards into the cesspool. So thanks, but no thanks. If BCT is improved, I might change my mind.

To elaborate a bit, I am a pragmatic person and did choose to use BCT rather than attempt a more difficult challenge. I am normally a person who is willing to compromise in order to facilitate the most efficient path forward. But I also learned in life that once you've been severely abused, if you come back for more, you'll be abused more. The pattern we see early in a relationship never changes. I have learned from life, that what we see is what we get. People don't change.

So no! I am not going to come back for more abuse. Sorry. There is no possible compromise other than if BCT is improved to fix what is causing the problems. But of course it won't be improved ever. It won't change.

Additionally the rules are ambiguous and arbitrary and I would have to walk on eggshells. Sorry I don't want to live my life worried about everything. BCT isn't worth the headaches.

I do not want to continue discussions on a site where I have deal with so many trolls and don't have the moderation tools available so I can efficiently squelch their strife. It simply isn't worth the disruption to production. It is a cesspool of noise and strife. I don't want my important technological content being buried and obscured by trolls and subject to deletion by mods. It creates too much duplication of work and wastes enormous quantities of time dealing with crap. This time could be better invested in productive activities.

To the idiot who keeps sending me PMs and thinks he knows better than me, you're just another troll. Please stop. It has nothing to do with my ego. It has to do with stopping the daily strife, so that I can get work done. Stop being so worried about how I will market my project. I know what I am doing. And you don't! So please STFU and stop sending me PMs. I don't need your advice nor your opinion. It's just more noise. I get so much noise from this forum. If you can do something important, go do it. Stop running your mouth and causing me to waste more time explaining it to you. I don't need to explain. I know what I am doing and that is the only person who needs to know at this juncture.

A permissionless crypto-currency is not well matched to a permissioned forum. Mavericks don't attain greatness by compromising their goals and ideals and pussy footing around.

Oh btw, I never wrote that I wouldn't consider buying advertising (from @Theymos or from users' signature space) in the future. It remains a possibility, although there are other choices as well such as Coindesk, Coinmarketcap, etc.. I haven't analyzed that yet. Too premature.

Due to the recent changes implemented by theymos I would not trust to post in a thread I've not started. Sorry.

Re: MPOE-PR Perma-Banned after warning, Temp Ban more appropriate?

You don't get banned for swearing at a moderator. MPOE-PR was asked to stop spamming/trolling by Maged, and rather than stopping, she swore at him. The act of insulting Maged itself didn't get her banned, it was the warning, and then lack of acknowledgement of the warning that got the ban.

As much as MPOE-PR (Mircea Popescu) was hated she/he was usually right when he called bullshit (and that's why people hated him). He had Bitfinex pegged in 2013: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=230182.0


This troll continues to lecture and patronize me in PMs after I've told him to please stop, so in case anyone else has similar thoughts to him, let's just bring it in the open and address it:

His bans will not automatically expire, and any future alts we see from him will be permabanned. I may manually reconsider his ban if he promises to actually try not to break forum rules. The rules are not meant to silence anyone, but to keep the forum usable and fair. When someone multi-posts excessively, it monopolizes a thread in a way which harms everyone else's ability to communicate. Based on his posts in this thread, I think that he will just continue to break rules if unbanned, so I will not unban him at this time.

You read that Shelby, the owner himself came here to offer a truce and a chance to shake hands if you promise to stop fucking around copy pasting your posts in 2000 threads, even though you insulted him and the rest multiple times.

As I see it he has a set of unbreakable rules and you have somehow crossed the line. We are technically in his property and we should respect his rules, no matter how stupid they seem to be in our opinion.

That also means he appreciates you and your comments, as the rest of us, but he also has principles and his ego, as you do. Don't be fucking silly and take advantage of it, you can stop this farts battle now. You don't have to do it publicly, you could send him a PM.

Besides, you gonna need this platform to promote your incoming project, so c'mon. Be water my friend. We need ya here.

I am not a beta male. I don't need him nor his inane forum. Observe the outcome.

That has nothing to do with being a beta male, or a dick contest. That has to do with having or not street smarts. You can use his own platform to undermine him. Direct confrontation is not always the best strategy to defeat the enemy.

Maybe reading "The Art of War" again could help ya understand my point.

http://scienceofstrategy.org/main/content/winning-without-conflict

You don't seem to have enough experience in life. You are forcing me to explain what a wise man knows.

It has nothing to do with a dick contest!!! What the fuck is wrong with you. You are acting like all the other trolls.

I've quoted from the Art of War in the past (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1739268.msg18285698#msg18285698). Please you aren't telling me anything I don't already know. Do you think I am so clueless. I know what I am doing.

I added one more comment to the post:

Additionally the rules are ambiguous and arbitrary and I would have to walk on eggshells. Sorry I don't want to live my life worried about everything. BCT isn't worth the headaches.

You might well know everything but you are applying nothing from it. You prefer conflict over diplomacy, the longer and rougher path, being clear you will be the one losing the most in this conflict.

You take it as if he slapped you publicly and you must stand your ground to avoid being taken for a ride and appear as a wimp, when the reality is he's already made concessions coming to this thread and posting why you're banned and how you can reverse it, because he wants you in the forum, but respecting his admittedly stupid rules.

But you have to double down like fucking "el Chapo", when it is painfully clear this is not the way to win this war, nor the right strategy.

Your target users - the pioneers and speculators needed to get the ball rolling and start the network effect - are already here.

Better start marketing your project here to make your life easier until you have reached critical mass?

You are another troll who is wasting my time. Please go away.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18864936#msg18864936

I already told you, I know what i am doing. And you don't. Please stop lecturing me. I am smarter than you realize.

You don't know what i am doing. You are too blind to even detect it.

Absolutely! I'm another troll and you need to sleep it off.

The ban will help ya to focus on your project, and stop embarrassing yourself here in the forum.

If you're embarrassed for me, that is your problem and prerogative. I'm not at all embarrassed.

Who the fuck is going to invest in your project after reading all your rants?

Certainly not you! Which will be perfect when you are so jealous after the others gain so much while you'll be too butthurt to invest.

"Know your enemy and know yourself"

Fuck your inane platitudes. I actually know how the work gets done. Your misapplication of the Art of War as hammer for every nail, is your ignorance and inexperience on display.

Do you realize how stupid it is for you presume you know better than me and then lecture me. I am not 20 years old. I have experience. I know what I am doing.

Seems you are unable to manage people and lead a team, after seeing you can't appreciate people giving you sound advice.

Noise makers are the Mythical Man Month. They reduce production, not increase it.

You are socially inept, and fail to understand how important a skill it is to manage people to execute a project.

I am socially adept. I have entertained large crowds at Comdex. Have you not watched my video I did last year on Ethereum and consensus designs?


I recorded a video of myself to try to explain some of these issues:

http://coolpage.com/commentary/economic/shelby/Shelby_Ethereum_Paradox.avi


You're so damn self-important.

You definitely have not what it takes to form and lead a team to execute this project.

You have not the ability to judge what I can and can't do.

All you're doing is appeasing your self-importance ego and wasting my time.

Maybe you are a really good CTO, but you will need a CEO still, a business partner. The problem is you won't be willing to respect his strategic decisions, because you are an arrogant know-it-all, unable to understand your own limitations and be part of a team and delegate the decision making process to someone with the chops for it.

You are ironically, as per Raymond's post, an execution b-lister.

Loud self-display? check. Insecurity? check. Constant approval-seeking? check. Overinflating one’s accomplishments? check. Touchiness about slights? check. Territorial twitchiness about one’s expertise? check.

But yeah, you just need more fanboys and yesmen to adore you and tell ya how great and super smart you are, instead of "trolls" like me that actually tell you the problems as they see them from the outside, so you can actually pivot and rectify your strategy. And that is, in a nutshell, your problem: you will form a politically correct team of yesmen that will handle ya with kids gloves.

Don't bother to answer back, I already know the BS you'll write. Don't try to waste my time again. This will be my last message. I honestly don't give a shit anymore.

Now I see clearly that your project, if you ever execute it, will be good for a PnD or two, not long term investing.

All I can say, is do NOT invest because you have it all figured out correctly. ::)

That will be perfect.

And the loud display is you refusing to stop lecturing me. I told you I had it under control, but you are determined to ram your self-important, b-lister ego shit down my throat.

  • Insecurity. Responding to debate is not a display of insecurity dufus.
  • Constant approval seeking. As the essay says, I figure if I am not regularly pissing people off, then I'm doing something wrong. How on earth did you interpret that I'm seeking approval. I never sugar coat anything in order to get approval. I always speak what I believe to be the facts.
  • Overinflating one’s accomplishments. Never have I done this. I speak factually about my accomplishments and failures.
  • Touchiness about slights. When I try to ignore you trolls, you don't stop badgering me. That is why I am leaving so I can create some proper moderation controls, so in the future you trolls will disappear with one click of "ignore forever". As a prolific and controversial poster, BCT forces one to fight against all the self-important crab bucket mentality (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality) trolls, or to disengage. I tried fighting back, now I am disengaging.
  • Territorial twitchiness about one’s expertise. Debating is what BCT is for. Debating is not twitchniness, but rather is one of the main functions of the forum. Eric means someone who claims exclusive expertise and tries to prevent anyone else from claiming to have that expertise. I don't do that. I'm happy when I can find the rare person that has expertise that I also have, so we can jam together.
  • Loud self-display. I'm simply responding to the posts in the thread. Being prolific is not a loud self-display. Nicholas Taleb is prolific also in the volume of material he publishes (even on Medium), but that doesn't make it a loud self-display. Eric means those who try to pump up their own reputation by boasting or what ever. I try to make sure that readers have the facts as I understand them to be, because I know in many cases there is no one else on the forum who will give them that factual information. And the readers know and appreciate this, that is why there are here demanding that I be unbanned.

You could rightfully accuse me of trying too hard to try to clarify many things for readers. I think most A-listers have realized that the more we try to explain, the more people will be pissed off and have misconceptions. You're an example of that. As I said, I am disengaging because this experiment has taught me that as much as I would like to help others understand, I actually can't help others understand. C'est la vie.

You're yet another clueless idiot who thinks he knows something, but actually doesn't.



Edit on May 6:

To further address @Skalpell’s allegation that I prefer conflict over diplomacy, diplomacy requires that both sides get something they want or need, i.e. a win-win. What has been offered by Theymos is a win-lose, thus of course only a defeated person would accept it. He made absolutely no concessions or improvements at all. He basically said I have to admit that everything is my fault and suck it up and then maybe, just maybe (but probably not), they might just barely let me back in the door. Which means at the first opportunity they will simply ban me again and then all the momentum I could have had by standing my ground and winning will be lost. In short, you don’t even understand what compromise and diplomacy entail, so you are no position to be judging me and ramming unsolicited advice down my throat. Diplomacy can only begin with mutual respect. Theymos only bothered to post in the thread, because some members with high reputations are not happy with the ban. Theymos has absolutely 0 respect for me, as evident by his win-lose (he wins and I lose) proposal.

As if your users are at fault when your policies and software are inane. Blaming the customer is the dumbest possible thing a business can do. It is the business shooting itself in the foot.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: dinofelis on May 05, 2017, 12:21:04 PM
Such a rudimentary system existed in the 1990-ies as I said before: it was called usenet, and had a simple, decentralized protocol: NNTP.

Afaik, NNTP is not decentralized consensus. Rather it is a single news server which is the canonical source and other servers can mirror it.


Nope.  It was, AFAIK, totally decentralized.  You posted your post to the news server your reader was connected to, who then propagated it in a P2P network of news servers.  You could run your own news server of course but only institutions did so, because that was "heavy" at that time for the existing technology in those days.  In fact, it would even be "heavy" today too.  Bitcoin's block chain is ridiculously small compared to the news groups' daily volume.  That said, a news server mostly didn't keep old stuff.  One month of history was usually standard.  If you wanted to keep stuff, it was entirely your business.

The "consensus" was simply everything, because there was no specific order needed, there was no contradiction to be resolved etc...
Of course, every news server could decide for himself whether he propagated the article or not, but the standard policy was to propagate everything.  There was no crypto needed for that.  You didn't need an "account".   Everyone could just post and put the "credentials" he liked - but of course, nobody would stop you from signing your messages.

The exception were moderated groups.  They only accepted articles from a specific e-mail address, the moderator's e-mail, and if you "posted" there, in fact, you sent an e-mail to the moderator, who could relay it to the news group or not.

https://internetworkingsecuritysafety.blogspot.fr/2017/03/what-newsgroups-are-and-how-they-work.html

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usenet died because it crumbled under gigabytes of daily spam

Thus it didn't have my moderation feature. And it didn't charge a minuscule microtransaction fee to post, which is the another aspect I'm planning.

Of course this could have been improved.  In fact, Adam Black's hashcash against spam would have been a solution for high-volume mass posting.  But that was not the real difficulty.  The real difficulty was not the "standard spam", but rather the "annoying posters", and that is something you cannot solve without human moderation.  So in the end, for some serious discussions, people just went to moderated discussion groups, which were the inspiration for internet discussion forum software.

Slight improvements of usenet would have implemented the features you are longing for, like multiple versions of moderated groups with different moderators, but visibly there was not enough demand for that.  In fact, technically, the system was already possible: instead of having one moderated group, you could have as many versions of it as you'd like, with different moderator e-mail addresses: every moderator would decide, independently, what posts to relay, and have his "fan moderated group".
But of course, as I said, nothing stops one from having an overlay on an un-moderated group, where you have your news reader load Joe's moderation preferences from Joe's web site, who has published the message ID he thinks should be read, and your news reader only showing those that have a corresponding message ID on Joe's page.  You could even make logical combinations:
"I want to see the messages that are approved by at least 3 of the 5 guys in the list Joe, Jack, James, Jeffrey and Joey, and are disapproved by at least one of the 3 girls Mary, Jane, Helena" or other fancy things.

I only wanted to point out that decentralized discussion platforms existed in the 80-90-ies and essentially disappeared, which indicates the relatively low value people attach to this decentralized paradigm.  Maybe it could be revived, but it doesn't need much sophistication to do what you want.  No need for much crypto/block chain/consensus/.... KISS.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 05, 2017, 12:42:07 PM
Such a rudimentary system existed in the 1990-ies as I said before: it was called usenet, and had a simple, decentralized protocol: NNTP.

Afaik, NNTP is not decentralized consensus. Rather it is a single news server which is the canonical source and other servers can mirror it.

Nope.  It was, AFAIK, totally decentralized.  You posted your post to the news server your reader was connected to, who then propagated it in a P2P network of news servers.  You could run your own news server of course but only institutions did so, because that was "heavy" at that time for the existing technology in those days.  In fact, it would even be "heavy" today too.  Bitcoin's block chain is ridiculously small compared to the news groups' daily volume.  That said, a news server mostly didn't keep old stuff.  One month of history was usually standard.  If you wanted to keep stuff, it was entirely your business.

The "consensus" was simply everything, because there was no specific order needed, there was no contradiction to be resolved etc...
Of course, every news server could decide for himself whether he propagated the article or not, but the standard policy was to propagate everything.  There was no crypto needed for that.  You didn't need an "account".   Everyone could just post and put the "credentials" he liked - but of course, nobody would stop you from signing your messages.

No wonder it was a clusterfuck failure. Anyone could then act as an imposter for anyone, and other inconsistencies such as people could post in the future dated as if they had responded in the past, thus pretending to be able to predict the future.

Also there is no guarantee that any server is giving you the full or even correct data!

As I explained to @Theymos, it is really impossible to do coherent decentralized databases without the decentralized consensus.

Actually P2P is not decentralized consensus, which was my claim.

and that is something you cannot solve without human moderation.

Which can be accomplished in a decentralized forum.

Slight improvements of usenet would have implemented the features you are longing for, like multiple versions of moderated groups with different moderators, but visibly there was not enough demand for that.

I don't expect a lot of demand for that feature either. As I had detailed in my Bitcoin killer thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1739268.msg18359684#msg18359684), I think the two choices 1) group leader's (aka thread creator's) moderation and 2) no moderation will be the most popular choices and #2 is very important bcz as you found out that when a post is deleted in self-moderated thread on BCT, the post disappears from public accessibility. Some users might want to toggle the "no moderation" to glance at what is being deleted by default by the group/thread moderator.

Yet when I build something, I might as well build the generality because the market can sometimes surprise and find uses for things we didn't envision.

I think we might also find that some superstars become frequently chosen moderators, so the generality might actually end up being used.

I only wanted to point out that decentralized discussion platforms existed in the 80-90-ies and essentially disappeared, which indicates the relatively low value people attach to this decentralized paradigm.

Aliasing error again. You have really bad hole in your intellect pertaining to jumping to conclusions that fit your confirmation bias without considering all the possibilities. You need to look at that stuck clock once every 12 hours.

They didn't fail because they were decentralized. They failed because they sucked. Also there was no legitimate known need for being decentralized at that time. Some decades later, we now understand that centralized databases are a major liability.

Most importantly, people will earn tokens which is one thing that will motivate them to use it.  :P

And the superstars will earn tokens. Where the superstars go, the flock follows.

Also the decentralized database means a plethora of GUIs and apps on top of the same database, so that network effects kick in and the users are getting more of their choices met than @Theymos could possibly keep up. The real reason users need decentralized DBs is not because they care at all (they don't!) but the users do care about competition and getting more apps and more features faster.

And so now all those fucking B-listers can go fuck themselves because I actually do know what I am doing.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: iTradeChips on May 05, 2017, 03:42:41 PM
Last reminder to get on the LTC train and don't be butthurt that I told everyone to get on at $7 and 0.06. Facts are facts.

http://i.imgur.com/Ava5Mxt.png

man i sold some too early above 0.012+ and then the remaining LTC at 0.014-0.0145. isnt it too high now to enter? wait for dip?
about BTC i was lucky to sell at ~1650 USDT. what is your estimate for a good buy back? thanks man your predictions are almost exact


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Dorky on May 05, 2017, 04:43:38 PM
That is not a refutation of the math I provided.

You seem to have difficulty comprehending the math, as evident by your reply which makes no logical point w.r.t. math I provided.

I already stated that the dolphins (those who are $millionaires now) will. They will pay the high transaction fees because they want to transact on chain, unregulated.

You are trying to shape a thought pattern that Bitcoin will be an exclusive currency only for the $billionaires, unregulated.
You have your own thoughts, beliefs, truths, etc, that is your own business.
I have my own justification to disagree and we don't need to force each other to comply to the other's argument.

You keep talking about math and accuse me of being a math retard.
The truth is, I don't even know what math you are talking about nor did I ever (you can quote me if you like) argue about your math.

Bitcoin as I personally understand it, will be BOTH regulated and centralized, and nobody will be exempted from it, not the $millionaires and not the $billionaires.

Your thesis is based on Bitcoin being settlement layer first and foremost, and subsequently all your analysis is derived from that main thesis.
My thesis is based on Bitcoin being a digital tracking/surveillance system first and settlement layer second, and subsequently all my main analysis is derived from the first thesis first and the rest (least important) from the second thesis.

Bitcoin will be the Mark of the Beast.
Whether the $billionaires are going to pay high fee or low is not the most important issue for the rothschilds as long as it does not interfere with Bitcoin's primary function as a digital/online tracking/surveillance system/network.
And it is not an issue for you to dictate the outcome.
The moment you realize the true purpose of Bitcoin, you will realize why the fee will not be an issue, not for the $billionaires, not for the $millionaires, and not for the insignificant minnows.

Most people see Bitcoin as a digital currency.
Few see it as a payment/settlement layer.
Fewer still (among the few) see it as a digital/online tracking/surveillance system/network.

You will not buy nor sell without the Mark of the Beast, regardless of the fee that you are paying.
You should be clear by now the true direction of Bitcoin, and how everything continue to revolve around it.
Don't even waste your brain cells on the fee.

The whales (like Roger Ver) have no final say.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 05, 2017, 08:11:18 PM
Last reminder to get on the LTC train and don't be butthurt that I told everyone to get on at $7 and 0.06. Facts are facts.

http://i.imgur.com/Ava5Mxt.png

man i sold some too early above 0.012+ and then the remaining LTC at 0.014-0.0145. isnt it too high now to enter? wait for dip?
about BTC i was lucky to sell at ~1650 USDT. what is your estimate for a good buy back? thanks man your predictions are almost exact

The mods deleted the post wherein I am trying to fulfill my responsibility for the trade advice I initiated before I got banned. I happen to believe in the concept of word-of-honor and fulfilling responsibilities. Because I am not a corrupt motherfucker. I have a conscience and I believe I try to do what is correct for society.

I was told by @mprep upthread, that the policy is not to deleted posts in Meta. Sheesh. These guys can't handle the shame of the fact that they banned me right during the major rise of LTC which I was advising thus causing many speculators to lose an opportunity to make a lot of money (or even lose money since my sell alerts weren't communicated). It is their fault and they can't accept it. Denial of reality/facts and/or corruption.

This is why I will not return to BCT. The moderation nonsense is entirely unpredictable, untrustworthy, insane, inane, and destroys production. They have insulted themselves. I am just speaking honestly about their corruption. Why would I be embarrassed about exposing or want to be under the skirt of such corrupt fools.

Note it did go up to 0.0176 after I posted that above, so it was a good time to buy, but now it is a good time to sell.

I was sleeping. But hopefully everyone was astute enough to observe on their own that the trendline from the 0.0106 origin (as drawn on the chart I had provided before sleeping) was broken to the downside. Thus LTC is in bearish mode until we bottom:

http://i.imgur.com/lY1uWxY.png

As it moves closer to its ATH in fiat ($50), the demand from FOMO speculators should increase. The majority is always late. At some point it has to take a major correction to shake out weak hands and leveraged longs. Probably not now though. Right now everybody who missed out on the move from $7 to $25, is getting butthurt jealous and trying to avoid buying late, but the FOMO effect overpowers shame after some delay (so that the majority buys too late).

Iamback is toasting champaign glasses somewhere at this time. Litecoin is chiming right along and on schedule. Did not disappoint. Let the fomo start to set in.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: jonald_fyookball on May 05, 2017, 08:43:38 PM
Last reminder to get on the LTC train and don't be butthurt that I told everyone to get on at $7 and 0.06. Facts are facts.

http://i.imgur.com/Ava5Mxt.png

man i sold some too early above 0.012+ and then the remaining LTC at 0.014-0.0145. isnt it too high now to enter? wait for dip?
about BTC i was lucky to sell at ~1650 USDT. what is your estimate for a good buy back? thanks man your predictions are almost exact

The mods deleted the post wherein I am trying to fulfill my responsibility for the trade advice I initiated before I got banned. I happen to believe in the concept of word-of-honor and fulfilling responsibilities. Because I am not a corrupt motherfucker. I have a conscience and I believe I try to do what is correct for society.

I was told by @mprep upthread, that the policy is not to deleted posts in Meta. Sheesh. These guys can't handle the shame of the fact that they banned me right during the major rise of LTC which I was advising thus causing many speculators to lose an opportunity to make a lot of money (or even lose money since my sell alerts weren't communicated). It is their fault and they can't accept it. Denial of reality/facts and/or corruption.

This is why I will not return to BCT. The moderation nonsense is entirely unpredictable, untrustworthy, insane, inane, and destroys production. They have insulted themselves. I am just speaking honestly about their corruption. Why would I be embarrassed about exposing or want to be under the skirt of such corrupt fools.

Note it did go up to 0.0176 after I posted that above, so it was a good time to buy, but now it is a good time to sell.

I was sleeping. But hopefully everyone was astute enough to observe on their own that the trendline from the 0.0106 origin (as drawn on the chart I had provided before sleeping) was broken to the downside. Thus LTC is in bearish mode until we bottom:

http://i.imgur.com/lY1uWxY.png

You shouldn't be giving investment advice without a lisense.  You might run into trouble with the authorities.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 05, 2017, 08:48:57 PM
The truth is, I don't even know what math you are talking about nor did I ever (you can quote me if you like) argue about your math.

You can't respond to the logic without responding to the math. So since you are not responding to the math, then your argument has no merit.

The reason is because Bitcoin can't magically become something which the economics dictate that it can't be. Bitcoin was designed with a given economics that dictate what it is and will progress to.

Bitcoin as I personally understand it, will be BOTH regulated and centralized, and nobody will be exempted from it, not the $millionaires and not the $billionaires.



Bitcoin will be the Mark of the Beast.



Fewer still (among the few) see it as a digital/online tracking/surveillance system/network.

You will not buy nor sell without the Mark of the Beast, regardless of the fee that you are paying.

The 666 outcome can happen without violating what Bitcoin is designed to be. Bitcoin is designed so the shadow elite have a better gold to avoid regulations in the coming NWO system. The minnows won't be allowed onto this unregulated escape. And the $millionaires (dolphins) will be bleed to death by egregious transaction fees to be able to transact on this privileged system.

The masses (like you and I) will be pushed off chain (LN on Litecoin probably) regulated systems where the 666 outcome will take place.

Blockchains are not able to be regulated by nation-states because the blockchain is global and nation-states can only regulate what is inside their borders. Don't conflate blockchains with centralized exchanges. Whereas, off chain LN "banks" can be regulated by the existing banking regulation systems, because most people will have an account on one of these Mt.Box "banks" (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5r6l2v/lightning_network_security_concern_and_bitcoin/dgte8fl/?context=5).

What I have explained is the most counter-intuitive and thus according to Szabo's Law of Dominant Paradigm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18857480#msg18857480), my math analysis is the correct one, as it is the least understood by most people, i.e. what I have explained is only known by the few (myself only?) who are expert enough.

@Dorky, you should learn to pay attention and stop missing out on my expertise. I say that not as a loud display to be boastful. I am simply trying to help you and others stop being blind. But as I wrote upthread, I realize this is a futile activity on my part and I am disengaging. Hey I offered you one final chance to open your eyes.

Quote from: anonymous from Crypto.cat chat
The 666 scenario would make sense if Bitcoin sustains an injury where it is thought to be defeated, yet comes back to function as the elite platform which is given back authority by Litecoin

That is a possible Biblical interpretation.



Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: mprep on May 05, 2017, 10:03:52 PM
Reminder to all: this thread is meant for discussing about iamnotback's (and his alts') ban(s) and topics directly surrounding it (his actions, forum policy, rules, positive, neutral or negative opinions about said topics), NOT to speculate about LTC's price or anything else. To iamnotback: you're allowed to talk about your ban (and the aforementioned directly related topics) in Meta and that's it - discussing about topics unrelated to it (again, LTC price predictions) is considered ban evasion.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 05, 2017, 10:11:12 PM
Reminder to all: this thread is meant for discussing about iamnotback's (and his alts') ban(s) and topics directly surrounding it (his actions, forum policy, rules, positive, neutral or negative opinions about said topics), NOT to speculate about LTC's price or anything else. To iamnotback: you're allowed to talk about your ban (and the aforementioned directly related topics) in Meta and that's it - discussing about topics unrelated to it (again, LTC price predictions) is considered ban evasion.

I see you deleted more posts from this thread. All the deleted posts are still available on the archive (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170505215430/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.0;all) or a prior days archive (https://web-beta.archive.org/web/*/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.0;all) which are being recorded to document your corrupt insanity.

Btw, multiple highly respected members of this forum are telling me in PMs that they are giving up on BCT and that mods have become unreasonable and the SNR is too high. They say they will continue to read my posts where ever I end up writing.

You're destroying your own forum.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Traxo on May 05, 2017, 11:16:49 PM
Reminder to all: this thread is meant for discussing about iamnotback's (and his alts') ban(s) and topics directly surrounding it (his actions, forum policy, rules, positive, neutral or negative opinions about said topics), NOT to speculate about LTC's price or anything else. To iamnotback: you're allowed to talk about your ban (and the aforementioned directly related topics) in Meta and that's it - discussing about topics unrelated to it (again, LTC price predictions) is considered ban evasion.

Food for thought: I think majority of people reading this thread is here to read what @iamnotback has to say, and not how you execute censorship.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: mprep on May 05, 2017, 11:49:56 PM
Reminder to all: this thread is meant for discussing about iamnotback's (and his alts') ban(s) and topics directly surrounding it (his actions, forum policy, rules, positive, neutral or negative opinions about said topics), NOT to speculate about LTC's price or anything else. To iamnotback: you're allowed to talk about your ban (and the aforementioned directly related topics) in Meta and that's it - discussing about topics unrelated to it (again, LTC price predictions) is considered ban evasion.

Food for thought: I think majority of people reading this thread is here to read what @iamnotback has to say, and not how you execute censorship.
None of my concern. The topic's clear ("Where are you 'Iamnotback'?", not "What does iamnotback have to say about LTC price?") and him discussing LTC price changes is ban evasion. He's free to complain how the moderation team is the literal devil in this thread all he wants, but he's still banned from participating in other discussions within this forum.

Even though quite a few of you don't care, the forum still has rules (explanation of rule from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0)):

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25. If you get banned (temporary or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 05, 2017, 11:55:05 PM
Though quite a few of you don't care, the rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.) still apply:

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25. If you get banned (temporary or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.

http://i.imgur.com/EQ2AwGd.gif

You're inane rules which nobody important cares to follow (that's why they no longer post on BCT much at all) are simply banning BCT from the future use by those superstars who the flock will gravitate to.

You continue on with your worst-than-useless, self-destructive activity right into the twilight of the irrelevance and usership of closed-source, top-down controlled paradigms such as AOL.

Most likely you'll remain the smug (“for the lolz” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18857480#msg18857480)) prick that you are until you are the last user of the system moderating yourself.

I remember I figured out when I was in my early teens that every prick who wanted to fuck with others aspired to a position of corrupt privileged authority such as being a policeman.

It was about then that I realized my life mission would be to disruptively destroy the paradigms of top-down control. I am age 52 this June and still working on my fundamental ambition.

Quote from: mprep's avatar slogan
In a world of peaches, don't ask for apple sauce

As I surmised before, you are a follower who lives in the status quo, not a leader nor visionary. But you did also admit upthread, that you enjoy your position of authority because it allows you to be a "for the lolz" prick B-lister (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1404) and as you stated (and fucking with the serious work of others which you misinterpret to be egotistical (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18881605#msg18881605) because you're offended by your perception of ego as all B-listers do (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1404)):

No, I'm pissing off a condescending, self-entitled troll … gotta feed that over-inflated ego, amirite?

I'm merely having fun with someone who's of above average intelligence yet thinks he's a visionary genius.



My work can be seen in the shit I clean every day, dropped by serial visionaries like you … my thorough annoyance and dislike towards people like you - vain, egoistic lunatics, who think they're hot shit, just because they achieved something in life. News flash: to me, you're just another guy dragging his ass across the floor I try to keep clean for people who actually enjoy being here.



Btw, I had missed this comment before:

Sure, not like any of the massive crypto business (such as the biggest exchanges, major altcoins, etc.) have a thread here. /s

They do not primary rely on BCT for their communication medium. They do not invest a large amount in BCT. They invest the minimum they need to in order to siphon off any value they can extract and take out of the BCT ecosystem. They are not investing in the ecosystem but rather extracting from it.

If they were investing it, you'd see them creating apps, conspicuously promoting a link to the BCT page on their website (or even embedding the forum content into their website seamlessly if Theymos even had a clue about technology), etc. for it, i.e. actually investing.

Theymos doesn't have a clue about how to build network effects, thus the market is wide open ripe for the taking. I have experience at this.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Traxo on May 06, 2017, 12:04:21 AM

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25. If you get banned (temporary or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.

Say what?  :o


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: minifrij on May 06, 2017, 12:48:03 AM
Say what?  :o
Believe it or not, if you continue to use the forum as normal after being banned, you're then evading that ban.
If Ban Evasion wasn't an enforceable rule, then there would be no point on ever banning anyone.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 06, 2017, 01:01:39 AM
Say what?  :o

Believe it or not, if you continue to use the forum as normal after being banned, you're then evading that ban.
If Ban Evasion wasn't an enforceable rule, then there would be no point on ever banning anyone.

http://i.imgur.com/EQ2AwGd.gif

His point is that banning public posts is a sufficient punishment, and moderation doesn't even apply to private communication between consenting parties.

Banning PMs (as a punishment inducement to follow policies on public posts) is totalitarianism which is antithetical to the concept of the Internet, decentralized money, etc.. It's as laughable and ignorable as mass media creating paywalls to destroy their readership. We'll simply say "no thanks" and route around the failure. (It is as if Theymos doesn't understand that we have 100s of options for communication these days, it isn't like he can sustain the illusionary monopoly that he thinks he has).

Also that rule exhibits that Theymos has a Hitler control freak fetish, which btw he has been accused of on Reddit as well for deleting all posts about Bitcoin Classic.

If this problem I have with Theymos was just small misunderstanding, then yes we could try to understand each other and find a way to work it out. But the problem is more fundamental than that. The East Germans couldn't just agree to cope with the system, they had to tear down the Berlin wall.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: minifrij on May 06, 2017, 02:20:21 AM
His point is that banning public posts is a sufficient punishment, and moderation doesn't even apply to private communication between consenting parties.
If you have broken the rules of a specific website, what obligation does that website then have to facilitate anything for you?

Banning PMs (as a punishment inducement to follow policies on public posts) is totalitarianism which is antithetical to the concept of the Internet, decentralized money, etc.. It's as laughable and ignorable as mass media creating paywalls to destroy their readership. We'll simply say "no thanks" and route around the failure. (It is as if Theymos doesn't understand that we have 100s of options for communication these days, it isn't like he can sustain the illusionary monopoly that he thinks he has).
Precisely. If someone has had to have been forcefully removed from participating in a forum I see no reason for said forum to use it's resources to help that someone to communicate, especially so when there are 100s of other (possibly easier) options for doing so.

If this problem I have with Theymos was just small misunderstanding, then yes we could try to understand each other and find a way to work it out.
If you can find a method of contacting theymos and have him listen to the problems involving this forum then you will be even more sought after than it already seems you are. theymos doesn't care.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 06, 2017, 02:34:25 AM
His point is that banning public posts is a sufficient punishment, and moderation doesn't even apply to private communication between consenting parties.

If you have broken the rules of a specific website, what obligation does that website then have to facilitate anything for you?

Vindictiveness is not an attribute that coincides with the successful.

Also inane laws tend to be unenforceable. If the community doesn't think they are benefiting from the derelict rules, the community will route around the failure.

Banning PMs (as a punishment inducement to follow policies on public posts) is totalitarianism which is antithetical to the concept of the Internet, decentralized money, etc.. It's as laughable and ignorable as mass media creating paywalls to destroy their readership. We'll simply say "no thanks" and route around the failure. (It is as if Theymos doesn't understand that we have 100s of options for communication these days, it isn't like he can sustain the illusionary monopoly that he thinks he has).

Precisely. If someone has had to have been forcefully removed from participating in a forum I see no reason for said forum to use it's resources to help that someone to communicate, especially so when there are 100s of other (possibly easier) options for doing so.

The resources consumed by PMs are less than a grain of sand at the beach compared to the revenues from advertising.

This is supposed to be the official forum for an open source Bitcoin which were mislead to believe no one controls (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18859434#msg18859434). Theymos has a privileged position of receiving revenues from this and it behooves him to not do unnecessary vindictiveness which could incite the community to fork off.

For when we do finally fork off, the fork will be far superior and Theymos' forum will wither away and he will lose everything.

Vindictiveness is not a wise strategy.

Additionally, this was not a case of "had to have been forcefully removed". As it was explained to Theymos and @mprep upthread, there was no compelling reason. It's all just batshit insane.

If this problem I have with Theymos was just small misunderstanding, then yes we could try to understand each other and find a way to work it out.

If you can find a method of contacting theymos and have him listen to the problems involving this forum then you will be even more sought after than it already seems you are. theymos doesn't care.

The smug confidence right before the fall off the cliff.

Did you not notice that Theymos posted in this thread.

And yes we know he doesn't care. He took all the BTC donations apparently promising to upgrade the forum software, then never did.

Are you somehow affiliated with the corruption?



Edit: I think the bottom line is that some of us are really not happy with the feature set of this forum. We've been trying to cope with it in varying degrees of disgust. In my case, I am a prolific poster, thus I am the point man (the martry or leader who takes the first bullets) for the problem at hand.

I think it is silly that we continue to argue. Those of you who are satisfied with BCT, then stay here. Those who are not, I may try to help us get what we want.

Then we can compare relative success from that point forward.

Competition is the best way to settle disputes. Butthurts so good is the way to admonish the vindictive pricks (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18889914#msg18889914) in the most satisfying but not revengeful manner. They can always come join the new party with their tail between their legs having their power castrated (the power granted to them their former corrupt regime).

I think it is very difficult for someone who is not a prolific, controversial poster to put themselves in the shoes of the person who is. I am so tired of having to fend off all the crab bucket mentality trolls, the threat of content being suddenly deleted makes the site not a reliable archive of content, thus it is really pointless to continue posting. Why would any one use a system which was so inefficient for them. BCT may be adequate for others and they may not have any compelling needs that are unmet by BCT. I don't really see a problem, as those of us who are unsatisfied can fork off.

However, I am saying that I detest the paradigm that is BCT and of course I think in the end most people will choose to move to a system that has a higher SNR and where the crab bucket mentality, vindictive shit can be filtered out more efficiently without censoring the data entirely (so that everyone has the freedom to read what they want and post what they want).


I am a teenage web developer from the UK.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: minifrij on May 06, 2017, 12:30:59 PM
The smug confidence right before the fall off the cliff.
Did you not notice that Theymos posted in this thread.
theymos being here doesn't mean he will listen and fix any complaints that you bring up. Proof of this is in the blatant spam problem and inane account recovery system.

And yes we know he doesn't care. He took all the BTC donations apparently promising to upgrade the forum software, then never did.
This software is still in development, granted he is deciding to piss away hundreds of thousands of dollars while this development continues.

Are you somehow affiliated with the corruption?
I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion, but no. I don't have any say in the moderation or administration of this forum past the Report feature.

I think it is silly that we continue to argue. Those of you who are satisfied with BCT, then stay here. Those who are not, I may try to help us get what we want.
Agreed, I won't be posting in this thread again unless addressed. Best of luck with your project.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Dorky on May 06, 2017, 02:23:27 PM
You can't respond to the logic without responding to the math. So since you are not responding to the math, then your argument has no merit.

The reason is because Bitcoin can't magically become something which the economics dictate that it can't be. Bitcoin was designed with a given economics that dictate what it is and will progress to.

1. What you said in 1st sentence is utter nonsense. Math is valid only after you know the whole picture, and use math to explain it. You don't try to use math on something you understand fractionally and claim your math holds the truth.
2. The 2nd sentence of yours is also nonsense by implying you already know the future based on Bitcoin's math.


The 666 outcome can happen without violating what Bitcoin is designed to be. Bitcoin is designed so the shadow elite have a better gold to avoid regulations in the coming NWO system. The minnows won't be allowed onto this unregulated escape. And the $millionaires (dolphins) will be bleed to death by egregious transaction fees to be able to transact on this privileged system.

Now this sets me apart from you. You don't know the shadow elites do NOT need bitcoin to avoid regulation. The fact that you think they need bitcoin to avoid regulation (or need anything to avoid regulation itself) means you are not really a savvy person to discuss about the shadow elites. I never say 666 outcome will violate bitcoin. Bitcoin is mark of 666. There is no need for self-violation.

The masses (like you and I) will be pushed off chain (LN on Litecoin probably) regulated systems where the 666 outcome will take place.

You will be wrong on this. It won't take long for this to play out. By then, you will disappear from the forum.

Blockchains are not able to be regulated by nation-states because the blockchain is global and nation-states can only regulate what is inside their borders. Don't conflate blockchains with centralized exchanges. Whereas, off chain LN "banks" can be regulated by the existing banking regulation systems, because most people will have an account on one of these Mt.Box "banks" (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5r6l2v/lightning_network_security_concern_and_bitcoin/dgte8fl/?context=5).

This implies you do NOT understand how the shadow elites will use bitcoin/blockchain to regulate us. And what you are saying about people getting regulated because they have account on the Mt. Gox "banks" is utterly untrue. It shows your ignorance.

What I have explained is the most counter-intuitive and thus according to Szabo's Law of Dominant Paradigm (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18857480#msg18857480), my math analysis is the correct one, as it is the least understood by most people, i.e. what I have explained is only known by the few (myself only?) who are expert enough.

I have no interest to look into your math. Only you have interest in your own work.
Quote
Given opposing opinions with equal evidence in their favor, the less popular opinion is more likely to be correct.
You can bet my opinion is the least popular and most against by most people.


@Dorky, you should learn to pay attention and stop missing out on my expertise. I say that not as a loud display to be boastful. I am simply trying to help you and others stop being blind. But as I wrote upthread, I realize this is a futile activity on my part and I am disengaging. Hey I offered you one final chance to open your eyes.

@iamnotback, what is your expertise? A PhD in math? A PhD in critical thinking? A psychic? You may think I need you to survive the future but that's like I saying you need me to survive the future. Both are equally BS. But at least I am not the one uttering the BS. I don't know how to make a retard like you understand. If I say I don't need your expertise, you may think I am stupid/foolish. But then if I say the exact same thing to you (that you need my expertise), you may say I am an idiot. But then if I say I need your expertise, you will say I am smart. So can you see where this kind of one-sided thought process of yours is heading? Utterly foolish, boastful and egoistic. You need my guidance. But you need to submit to me first.

Quote from: anonymous from Crypto.cat chat
The 666 scenario would make sense if Bitcoin sustains an injury where it is thought to be defeated, yet comes back to function as the elite platform which is given back authority by Litecoin

That is a possible Biblical interpretation.

That clearly shows you don't really know the shadow elites, nor the Bible, nor bitcoin. Do you even know who/what is the Beast? You are more dumb than I thought.

Bitcoin is the ONE AND ONLY digital currency of choice. Not litecoin. Not monero/dash. Not even ethereum.
You can contradict me all you like with your smartness, but its not like you really know, or going to succeed.



Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 07, 2017, 01:08:09 AM
You don't know the shadow elites do NOT need bitcoin to avoid regulation.

Yes they do because they need to quietly obscure their power so they will commingle their transactions with the dolphins.

Have you forgotten what David Rockefeller said about the importance of discretion. Rothschilds achieved his original fortune by employing deception.

You don’t seem to understand that if the dolphins united, they could defeat the shadow elite, so the discretion must be employed until the next NWO stage is achieved then the power can become more overt.

This implies you do NOT understand how the shadow elites will use bitcoin/blockchain to regulate us. And what you are saying about people getting regulated because they have account on the Mt. Gox "banks" is utterly untrue.

The dolphins ($millionaires or $billionaires now, $billionaires as BTC appreciates) will be on chain in Bitcoin and they are the high priority for digital tracking on chain since they are next rung below the shadow elite whale $trillionaires.

The minnows are to be destroyed by their own nation-states as the nation-states collapse giving way to the NWO, so putting them off chain, regulated on LN where their nation-states can tax and confiscate them.

Yes ultimately everyone who survives the nation-state collapse into the 10 Kings regions will be on chain, but that is later when the NWO is established.

We have stages to go through first.

Dorky the chart of reality refutes you:

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionfees-btc.html

P.S. I will not reply again to you on this topic of discussion about Bitcoin’s future transaction fees. Let this die now please. You may have the last word.



Edit: we are having a discussion over at slack and Craig Wright (@csw) the self-proclaimed Satoshi Nakamoto is participating (https://pastebin.com/TZY4aQU0). I am posting there as @anonymint. In the discussion, @macsga wrote:

macsga [10:47 PM]
no bans here
 
we banned Thermos
 
anonymint [10:47 PM]

Lol. +1

The entire discussion in context (and this pastebin will be updated if @csw replies):

https://pastebin.com/S6quvGMk

Code: (https://pastebin.com/S6quvGMk)
csw [9:49 PM]
https://web.archive.org/web/20160502203742/http://www.drcraigwright.net/tulips-myths/
Dr. Craig Wright Blog
Tulips and other myths - Dr. Craig Wright Blog
What common knowledge tells us and the truth of a matter is not always the same thing. One example is the relationship between tulips and economies.
April 26th, 2016 at 10:54 AM
 

[9:50]
Don't always believe what you are told.


zillionaire [9:52 PM]
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11127-006-9074-4
SpringerLink
The tulipmania: Fact or artifact?
The famous tulipmania, which saw the reported prices of several breeds of tulip bulbs rise to above the value of a furnished luxury house in 17th century Amsterdam, was an artifact created by an impli
 

fatman3001 [9:52 PM]
_"I think the three years core has stalled on chain development is a failure of their leadership"_
It's not leadership at all, and they're proud of it. They think it's some free flowing wishy washy approach for hippie anarcaps, but in reality it just means the ones who shout the loudest are the ones who are heard. Kind of like Gavin said it would be. Where is Gavin btw?

tomothy
[9:55 PM]
The reaction to bcoin and parity, in my opinion, illustrates that it's not about what's best for the market or for bitcoin, but blockstream/core. Anything perceived as a threat to that power structure is attacked and undermined. There wasn't any constructive feedback or discourse. Simply, "BAD! BAD BAD!" It demonstrates that something's rotten, to the core. (edited)


klee [9:56 PM]
They bullied Sergio from Rootstock FOR FUCK's SAKE

fatman3001 [9:57 PM]
Posted a question in the SegWit Q&A thread. I've asked before without much luck.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1682183.msg18900818#msg18900818
bitcointalk.org
Post your SegWit questions here - open discussion - big week for Bitcoin!
Post your SegWit questions here - open discussion - big week for Bitcoin!

klee [9:57 PM]
not to mention Emin...

zillionaire [9:57 PM]
is Emir Gun on core side?

tomothy
[9:57 PM]
The reason for my vitriolic response is that i saw how f2pool flipped after being attacked for supporting scaling. Would they flip again if they were attacked for not supporting scaling? These actions skew the economic market. Like someone playing pinball and tilting the machine. (edited)

klee [9:57 PM]
NO

[9:57]
he got bullied too

[9:58]
and trolled hard

tomothy
[9:58 PM]
Emin is more independent than most imho.

[9:59]
Hence I think he could be an interesting person to conduct studies or a student under. His neutral to bigger blocks and hated by core. Good enough.

zillionaire [9:59 PM]
we should have chief of propaganda lol.

tomothy
[9:59 PM]
No. That's a waste of resources.

[10:00]
You'd be better off hiring a similar troll army.

zillionaire [10:00 PM]
have some bot posting the same thing, banhammer lol

anonymint [10:03 PM]
joined private by invitation from @zillionaire

vlad2vlad [10:04 PM]
@zillionaire  I've been calling myself minister of propaganda for iXcoin.  So I agree.  Core has theirs - we should have ours.  :)

[10:05]
@anonymint !!!!  Been looking for you?!!!

newliberty [10:05 PM]
Balancing core is beneath our dignity.


vlad2vlad [10:05 PM]
Lol.  True story!!! ^^^^

[10:06]
Core needs to be disassembled.  Enough wasted time.

tomothy
[10:07 PM]
Hey anonyumint, welcome. LOL

newliberty [10:09 PM]
@anonymint take notice of the pinned statements from @csw which presents a funded research offer.  It might be something you could dig your teeth into.


macsga [10:09 PM]
@anonymint welcome buddy

[10:09]
enjoy your stay

anonymint [10:10 PM]
Someone share this with me, https://pastebin.com/TZY4aQU0 and also some other ideas from csw about how to scale Bitcoin by employing merchants as miners.
Pastebin
The Challenge - Pastebin.com (19kB)

vlad2vlad [10:10 PM]
What do you think about that, @anonymint ?

anonymint [10:11 PM]
Well @illodin also pointed out to me that csw seems to regurgitating the concerns Peter Todd wrote: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/012103.html

newliberty [10:13 PM]
Todd's is a thought paper, the proposal is for demonstrating it with evidence.

cypherblock [10:13 PM]
yes csw posted link to that a while back

anonymint [10:19 PM]
It seems to be true that with SegWit, the minority miners who don't often win their own blocks, have an incentive to mine without validating, so they can decrease their losses due to mining sooner on the next block by not needing to wait for the propagation of witness data and validation delay. However, my thought is they can begin mining on the next block trusting without the witness data, but statistically they will nearly always have received the witness data and validated it long before they actually find a block solution. So from a theoretical standpoint, I am not understanding the big threat. Additionally, the majority hash rate miners (later we will get into why hashrate will always be centralized) will see their own blocks instantly thus they know they are validated. If the majority hashrate miners want to collude and do malfeasance, they already can with a 51% attack without SegWit. What am I missing?

2 replies Last reply today at 1:50 AM View thread

tomothy
[10:20 PM]
Incentive also to Mine non valididated blocks?

pesa [10:20 PM]
joined private by invitation from @tomothy

anonymint [10:20 PM]
Nice to see you again macsga.

vlad2vlad [10:20 PM]
@anonymint  I didn't even finish reading your sausage message yet feel like you should win Satoshi's £36.000.  Where should I sent it?

tomothy
[10:20 PM]
Afrokoin is pesa

[10:20]
Spelling my bad

vlad2vlad [10:21 PM]
Ohhh, just realized Dr. Wright strapped me down with multi-sig.  He saw this coming.  :)

anonymint [10:21 PM]
Lol.

vlad2vlad [10:24 PM]
We're getting world class people in this room.

hankdasilva [10:25 PM]
csw said that he visions 100 000 nodes (merchants?) mining, did he explain why they would be mining as they can't possible compete against large mining farms located next to power plants thus mining at a loss

macsga [10:26 PM]
world class yes

[10:28]
@anonymint got it immediately

tomothy
[10:28 PM]
Hankdasilva, I think it's the assumption that they want to support and include their own txs and security of them. I.e., Toyota finance, selling cars or leases, they want those txs secure and confirmed

macsga [10:28 PM]
we didn't have to argue about it

vlad2vlad [10:28 PM]
Mining nodes = profit sharing.

[10:29]
@tomothy  yes, PLUS profit sharing

tomothy
[10:30 PM]
I mean, a supermarket POS upgrade is like 2-10kish the idea was $20k hardware... And yeah they can get their own fees back in return

[10:31]
I know theirs been talk of working with excess power generators on off time and mining with older hardware. Certain niches have an incentive to use excess supply

hankdasilva [10:32 PM]
if there are 100 000 merchanst mining then on average it takes 100 000 blocks to include their tx in a block if that's the reason for them mining in the first place, I'm confused (edited)

anonymint [10:33 PM]
@hankdasilva is my sockpuppet, lol. Well almost. Good job!

hankdasilva [10:34 PM]
yeah, except I'm almost always confused lol

tomothy
[10:36 PM]
But that's based on current size constraints right? What if there is no block size limit?

[10:37]
They're not trying to make money, merchants pay in average 3% of every cc txs. But it helps offset costs.

[10:37]
At least that was my interpretation. Phones dying. Back later lol.

cryptorebel [10:40 PM]
@hankdasilva some people think mining will become more decentralized over time: https://medium.com/@lopp/the-future-of-bitcoin-mining-ac9c3dc39c60
Medium
The Future of Bitcoin Mining – Jameson Lopp – Medium
Speculation about long-term changes to the dynamics of who and why people will mine bitcoins.
Reading time
----------------
8 min read

(401kB)
Dec 19th, 2015 at 10:19 PM

macsga [10:40 PM]
I was away for a couple of hours guys, do we have any takers on the challenge?

[10:40]
maybe @anonymint should be the supervisor of the team to test the hypothesis

anonymint [10:40 PM]
Although afaics SegWit does partially ameliorate the advantage that centralized mining has over minority miners in terms of being able to start mining sooner on the next block due to propagation and validation delay, it doesn’t eliminate all the economy-of-scale advantages that drive centralization of PoW mining. In addition to economies-of-scale on electricity costs and being able to locate next to the lowest cost sources (or even perhaps corruption of having political connections to get utility power at below cost), economies-of-scale on hardware acquisition and being first to get new hardware, perhaps one of the most salient factors is that there are only two 14nm fabs in the world. So this tells me that the shadow elite control Bitcoin via Bitmain and their indirect control over large Capex infrastructure such as these two 14nm fabs.

zillionaire [10:42 PM]
Damn ... I didn't know what I did but now I know ...

vlad2vlad [10:44 PM]
@anonymint  "Although afaics SegWit does partially ameliorate the advantage that..."

AmelioWhat?  Stop that Anonymint.

anonymint [10:45 PM]
Also recently I explained that the whales and the miners are the same economic entity:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18859434#msg18859434
And they have no incentive to ever allow large blocks.
bitcointalk.org
Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Where are you 'Iamnotback'?

klee [10:45 PM]
So BU does not actually want big blocks?

anonymint [10:46 PM]
No. It was only a PR game by Bitmain.

tomothy
[10:46 PM]
No. That's insane.

macsga [10:46 PM]
that explains it all

tomothy
[10:46 PM]
Will respond later.

macsga [10:47 PM]
I knew there was a conspiracy somewhere

anonymint [10:47 PM]
Please don’t ban me. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

macsga [10:47 PM]
no bans here

[10:47]
we banned Thermos

anonymint [10:47 PM]
Lol. +1

klee [10:47 PM]
Interesting theory, seriously

anonymint [10:48 PM]
Somebody please give me a pastebin of this when we are done.

pesa [10:51 PM]
+1 me too. pastebin much better for tldr

zbingledack [10:51 PM]
Transacting on a soon-to-be dead chain seems pretty uninteresting for most whales, as does mining on such a chain.

[10:53]
Much more interesting to make profits from new investors because the chain is usable and grows

cryptorebel [10:53 PM]
I made a pastebin from when craig popped in earlier: https://pastebin.com/Wa1CMM1E
Pastebin
private by invitation from @jp  zbingledack  7:48 AM  @andy He was on the BU sla - Pastebin.com (19kB)

[10:53]
but I didn't make it public, don't feel comfortable making everything public

macsga [10:54 PM]
good thing @cryptorebel

fatman3001 [10:54 PM]
Anonymint?
https://media.tenor.co/images/9d06a86bdcd648c964e322559fdd3b80/tenor.gif (1MB)

macsga [10:54 PM]
we don't want the man out of here

cryptorebel [10:54 PM]
yeah true

anonymint [10:56 PM]
I didn’t read the policies when I joined. Are we restricted or encouraged not to share this chat publicly?

fatman3001 [10:56 PM]
Restricted

cryptorebel [10:56 PM]
not sure, it does say the channel is not actually private

zbingledack [10:56 PM]
Impossible to enforce anything like that

cryptorebel [10:57 PM]
I was thinking maybe it would be good to make the chat public somehow, with a bot linked to IRC or something, then public can view, but trolls cant disrupt the discussion


klee [10:57 PM]
no need for restrictions I think, it is private in a sense to cut the trolls


zbingledack [10:57 PM]
The point of making it private is to keep it readable

macsga [10:58 PM]
^this

vlad2vlad [10:59 PM]
The assumption is the only way for a mining node to be profitable is as they are now.

100,000 merchants. Plus.

They have their own reasons and methods...

We will explain how in time... but no Protocol change needed other than the cap
  

macsga [11:01 PM]
@vlad2vlad thanks for clarifying this for the newcomers

vlad2vlad [11:01 PM]
That was from the Dr. Wright

macsga [11:01 PM]
:slightly_smiling_face:

andy [11:02 PM]
:slightly_smiling_face:

anonymint [11:06 PM]
@zbingledack why would Bitcoin be dead with 1 MB blocks? It will become highly sought after due to scarcity of transacting on chain unregulated in the reserve currency of the crypto-currency ecosystem.

tula [11:08 PM]
@anonymint that can only happen if 1MB is a natural limit, not artificial (edited)


anonymint [11:20 PM]
@tula there is no natural limit which is a tragedy of the commons. Thus it is a power vacuum which must be filled by a centralized power that sets a limit and has an economic incentive to enforce it.

tula [11:22 PM]
so current hardware has no limits?

anonymint [11:22 PM]
Btw, poor punctuation phrasing. I meant the lack of a natural limit, creates a tragedy of the commons.

tula [11:24 PM]
there are no commons, the network is owned by the miners

anonymint [11:24 PM]
The transaction fees are the commons.

tula [11:25 PM]
elaborate

anonymint [11:29 PM]
In a hypothetical decentralized scenario (which doesn't exist), the miners will fight with each other to compete to offer larger block sizes, thus lower transaction fees, and drive their revenue and thus security towards 0. There is no fee market without a block size limit. This is tragedy of the commons, thus even if mining wasn’t centralized for the other stated reasons, it would become centralized in order to dictate a maximum block size. The whales and miners are the same economic entity and have no incentive to offer larger than 1 MB block size.

[11:30]
That is presuming the block size wasn't limited in the protocol.

macsga [11:30 PM]
That notion there just blew my mind

[11:30]
I need to sleep

anonymint [11:31 PM]
Sleep first.

macsga [11:31 PM]
good night everyone enjoy your stay

[11:31]
nice talking to you @anonymint

fatman3001 [11:31 PM]
gn

klee [11:33 PM]
Why security goes to 0?

fatman3001 [11:33 PM]
cause no fees

[11:33]
no block reward

klee [11:33 PM]
so spamming

[11:35]
Suddenly IOTA comes to mind

[11:36]
0 fees, but spamming supposed to secure the network (instead of destroying it)

[11:36]
Never understood how

anonymint [11:37 PM]
How do we know the real Craig Wright is posting here?

tula [11:37 PM]
@anonymint i suppose you are familiar with https://www.bitcoinunlimited.info/resources/feemarket.pdf
so what are your objections to that?

cypherblock [11:38 PM]
@anonymint earlier I requested he post a selfie of himself with this slack in background. he complied

vlad2vlad [11:38 PM]
@anonymint  cause I pinky swear

klee [11:38 PM]
He posted a shit ton of photos taken live before some hours
anonymint
How do we know the real Craig Wright is posting here?
Posted in #privateYesterday at 11:37 PM

cypherblock [11:38 PM]
it is above somewhere unless deleted

[11:38]
background is somewhat blurry but I think it was this slack. I could sort of see my icon in the background

anonymint [11:38 PM]
I obliterated @Peter R's whitepaper in discussion on BCT. I will try to find a link for you. It was a long discussion.

fatman3001 [11:39 PM]
I disagree with @anonymint. I think competition of ideas will land the network at a place where profitability for miners, utility for users and security for the network will be balanced within an acceptable range. Some miners will see that it's in their interest to make the network as attractive as possible for it to grow and become more profitable. Some will mine large blocks altruistically. (edited)

[11:39]
search image.png in the slack

anonymint [11:39 PM]
I think the real reason they banned me is because I speak heresy.

cypherblock [11:40 PM]
who banned you?

fatman3001 [11:40 PM]
scrolling takes too much time

klee [11:40 PM]
Who gives a shit about Theymos et al any more

[11:40]
screw them

fatman3001 [11:41 PM]
not many of the cool cats left there (edited)

anonymint [11:41 PM]
@Theymos: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18861383#msg18861383
bitcointalk.org
Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Where are you 'Iamnotback'?

[11:44]
@fatman3001, the altruistic miners are being bankrupted by Bitmain. Bitmain miners sells their hardware first to those who support the master plan. The altruistic miners get hardware when it is beyond its profitability life.

fatman3001 [11:44 PM]
We can't just have one asic producer forever

anonymint [11:44 PM]
He who controls the 14nm fabs, controls Bitcon.

fatman3001 [11:44 PM]
it's madness

klee [11:44 PM]
Where's Intel?

[11:44]
or AMD?

[11:45]
Why not in this biz too?

anonymint [11:45 PM]
Intel has 14nm fabs, but not available for custom ASICs. AMD's fab is Global Foundaries, one of the two 14nm available for custom ASICs.

klee [11:46 PM]
aha

fatman3001 [11:47 PM]
Maybe some of the other independent miners should go together and buy a chip dev firm. Globalfoundries will make chips to anyone and their mother as long as you pay them. TSMC too.

[11:49]
Soon they're going to want Bitcoiners to pay for their initial runs of 10-11nm processes

tomothy
[11:49 PM]
Mining and segwit. Segwit changes the economic incentives necessary for mining development to continue. Rewards from mining are necessary to encourage people to spend money on capital projects, they are rewarded with fees / BTC block reward. As miners compete, their efforts result in the network being secured. Segwit changes this economic incentive. Mining itself isn't centralized but mining production is. So long as bitmain doesn't censor who can or can't buy their tools that concern is invalid. Additionally price of BTC is an issue. You don't have large companies investing in hardware development because there isn't enough demand. These issues go away as bitcoin grows. However the incentives changed by segwit do not.

[11:50]
Growth has artificially been suppressed because of the cap. That's cws's whole point on all of this.

fatman3001 [11:50 PM]
chip design is the tricky part

tomothy
[11:50 PM]
He specifically States, no fees.

fatman3001 [11:50 PM]
Bitmain has a massive head start

tomothy
[11:50 PM]
Not only does he say no fees, he says no cap.

[11:51]
Sure but most companies could buy bitmain with pocket change at this point.

[11:51]
They may be a leader in their field but not a global leader.

anonymint [11:51 PM]
@klee not even spamming. Just the fact that without a block size limit then users don’t have to include any significant transaction fee, because some miner will add it for the incremental revenue no matter how small it is. That is assuming miners haven’t colluded/agreed to set a maximum block size or minimum fee. A minimum fee dictates a block size limit as well. So therefor there has to be some protocol (or de facto agreed) limit else it is a tragedy of the commons. Iota requires proof-of-work to accompany each transaction and the game theory on that is obtuse and unclear to me as well. But I Iota has bigger problems in that afaics it doesn’t converge on consensus without centralized servers.

fatman3001 [11:51 PM]
They're a global leader in their field

tomothy
[11:51 PM]
And don't the have 2nm now?

[11:52]
Sorry, global leader in their field, but still not mega Corp

[11:52]
I.e., Sony, etc etc etc

anonymint [11:53 PM]
@fatman3001 I heard the the fabs are oversubscribed and they prioritize their largest customers. Bitmain seems to have someone pulling strings for them, as their volume is not large compared to say AMD.

tula [11:53 PM]
@anonymint can you give me the gist of that orphaning rebuttal of yours? let me guess 100% centralization?

vlad2vlad [11:54 PM]
@anonymint  you've got mail.  :)

tomothy
[11:54 PM]
I think you're right that their are large behind the scene players. However the players are bitmain and bitfury. And bitmain at least sells to the general public.

[11:55]
Those Public sales help support more Decentralized mining as compared to the full setups by bitfury

anonymint [11:55 PM]
They sell the public, but the public seems to get the newest profitable versions somewhat later than the insiders.

fatman3001 [11:55 PM]
AMD doesn't want to pay for the initial runs. The price is high and the yield is terrible in the beginning. Basically the manufacturing process isn't really "finished" until it's run several runs and ironed out the kinks.

tomothy
[11:56 PM]
Sure but that's mitigated by a persons electric costs

anonymint [11:56 PM]
I heard that independent miners will tell that the ASICs killed their profits for the most part.

fatman3001 [11:57 PM]
Bitcoin ASICs is Gods gift to chip manufacturers.

tomothy
[11:57 PM]
Sure, if you don't have money you lose

[11:57]
But that's the nature of competition

[11:57]
You grow or die

[11:58]
But again a lot of that was due to price. If bitcoins' price was 2-3x smaller miners would still be profitable

[11:58]
Failing to grow not only hurt adoption but also chain security.

anonymint [11:58 PM]
I need to eat breakfast. Fasting since I took my TB meds. Famished now. Brb.

tomothy
[11:59 PM]
Np thanks for comments.


----- Today May 7th, 2017 -----
vlad2vlad [12:03 AM]
TB mess?  @anonymint

[12:03]
Mess?

[12:03]
Meds *

klee [12:03 AM]
tuberculosis

vlad2vlad [12:04 AM]
@anonymint your profile pic, is that the mind of a muppet?  Just askin'?

klee [12:04 AM]
Homer Simpson

vlad2vlad [12:04 AM]
Tuberculosis?  @anonymint you 98 or you chilling in the jungles of Africa again looking for answers?

[12:04]
Haha

[12:05]
I like really like this @anonymint guy.  A real genius.  Shit, I hope I don't have to ban his shit.   :)

tomothy
[12:06 AM]
Jesus tb is rough, sorry dude


cryptorebel [12:06 AM]
lol

vlad2vlad [12:06 AM]
Maybe he deserves it.  Maybe he's a small Blocker.  Just sayin'!

cryptorebel [12:07 AM]
he sounds like a small blocker

vlad2vlad [12:08 AM]
Luke is a small Blocker and he's coming to our global domination party.  So it depends

tomothy
[12:08 AM]
Security is important and that's what this concerns, mining incentives and segwit

[12:08]
I think mining centralization and segwit incentives are different and this study just concerns the latter

vlad2vlad [12:09 AM]
We need @csw in here debating him on the centralized bankster nature of Segwit and LN.


cryptorebel [12:09 AM]
Craig was mentioning a big danger of segwit is the developers can set the mining fees, so it takes away power from miners and gives it to devs


[12:09]
we don't really want a centrally planned blockchain


vlad2vlad [12:09 AM]
Yeah.  Segwit is a power play.  Power stolen from the miners

anonymint [12:16 AM]
@klee & @macsga, after all my chronic illness was finally diagnosed in January as disseminated Tuberculosis. All those years since 2012 at least, I was fighting TB and didn’t know what was causing my health problems. I never suspected TB because I did not have a cough. The TB was disseminated all over in my gut, lymph nodes, brain, etc.. The normal mode of death is an internal hemorrhage due to the disfigurement caused by the bacteria. So that explains the gut pain and liver disease I developed. Any way 15 weeks into very toxic TB meds, I am coming cured!! I can actually enjoy life again! Back to doing my intense sports, able to think without delirium, etc.. What a massive relief!!

klee [12:17 AM]
I read that

[12:17]
glad to found the reason

anonymint [12:17 AM]
Supercharged and ready to go!

klee [12:18 AM]
stay strong and fight the disease (we all fight some disease)

tomothy
[12:18 AM]
Jesus dude. Will it be fully gone after you finish the medication courses?

fatman3001 [12:18 AM]
Congratulations man

[12:18]
That's friggin insane

cryptorebel [12:18 AM]
you can never be fully cured of TB, there is only active and inactive form


elliotolds [12:18 AM]
joined private by invitation from @bitsko

bitsko
[12:18 AM]
thank you for joining @elliotolds

klee [12:18 AM]
You manage it for life

anonymint [12:19 AM]
Unless it is a MDR strain, I have a 90+% chance of no recurrence. If it is MDR and it comes back after a year, there are new superior treatments under Stage 2 and 3 trials at the TBalliance.org

klee [12:20 AM]
Going to sleep guys, tight XRP stop (shotring it)

anonymint [12:22 AM]
gn @klee. The inactive and active form of TB can be eradicated, but it is not 100% certain, because TB hides away and if you don't get every last one of those fuckers, it can come back again. The stats are roughly 93% chance of no reoccurrence after 5 years. And that includes people who maybe didn't do their meds every day. So the odds are pretty good. And the new drug regimens coming are probably even more effective.

newliberty [12:22 AM]
Grats anon, I was concerned for you for a long time, great news.

cryptorebel [12:26 AM]
sometimes i feel like blockstream is Bitcoin's TB

[12:27]
neverending battle

anonymint [12:27 AM]
@vlad2vlad I do hope @csw comes back. I had once cited him as being smarter than Nick Szabo and Gregory Maxwell on the issue of whether Bitcoin is Turing complete:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1284083.msg13239420#msg13239420
bitcointalk.org
Layman's Journey to Understanding Zerocash
Layman's Journey to Understanding Zerocash

cryptorebel [12:29 AM]
yeah Craig had some interesting comments about turing completeness on Bitcoin using a double stack architecture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdvQTwjVmrE&amp;feature=youtu.be&amp;t=17m11s
YouTube BitcoinInvestor.com
All-Star Panel: Ed Moy, Joseph VaughnPerling, Trace Mayer, Nick Szabo, Dr. Craig Wright
 

vlad2vlad [12:30 AM]
@anonymint I can guarantee you CSW will be back here but only if you respond to my PM.  And he is smarter than Szabo et al.  Dude, did you see how many degrees he wiped the floor with?  Ludicrous!!!

[12:31]
Double stack?  What?

fatman3001 [12:32 AM]
Pancakes

[12:32]
with syrup

cryptorebel [12:32 AM]
he said dual stack architecture, sounds interesting though maybe Craig could elaborate what he means

ajd [12:33 AM]
joined private by invitation from @bitsko


satoshi [12:35 AM]
Putting together some tools to facilitate opposition research.

anonymint [12:37 AM]
@tula, you were asking for a gist about my orphaning rebuttal. I presume you mean my rebuttal to @Peter R's BU whitepaper about a natural fee market with unlimited block size. Afair (and there may have been more details I am not remembering offhand), Peter's analysis assumed an equal orphan rate for all miners, but each miner has a different orphan rate determined primary by their proportion of the hashrate and other factors such as their connectivity for propagation.

vlad2vlad [12:37 AM]
uploaded this image: Double Stack!!!
Add Comment

vlad2vlad [12:37 AM]
Never in my life did I think my junk would have such meaning.

bitsko
[12:39 AM]
is there no place on the internet that is free from your junk pics lol

tula [12:40 AM]
@anonymint different cost is still not zero cost ...

anonymint [12:41 AM]
@tula I will dig up a link for you, bcz I have forgotten all of the issues offhand. There were game theories enabled by this fact that orphan rate is asymmetrical.

vlad2vlad [12:42 AM]
Fair enough

[12:42]
No junk

vlad2vlad [12:43 AM]
uploaded this image: Vlad2vlad - BIG Blocker!!!
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fatman3001 [12:47 AM]
_wtf?_

satoshi [12:48 AM]
:eyes:

vlad2vlad [12:48 AM]
IXcoin.  Ohhh.  I keep forgetting to plug that

xhiggy [1:07 AM]
A miner that makes a block that can't propagate and be validated in less than ten minutes, would be at a substantial orphan risk.

[1:07]
Compared to a block that could be

vlad2vlad [1:08 AM]
uploaded this image: I just can't help myself.  Oh...IXcoin!!!
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newliberty [1:28 AM]
BitCoin already has an Alt-stack
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Script#Stack
Turing machine can be made from a small number of deterministic outputs and functions.  CSW is right in that BitCoin in its current state is Turing complete, but then so also is Conway's game of life.
Meaning that you can program anything that can be programmed with it.
Here's a digital clock with Conway's game of life:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NDAZ5g4EuU

A Turing complete system is one thing, being able to do things with easily and economically it still another.
YouTube Mikhail Goncharov
digital clock in conways game of life
 


zillionaire [1:29 AM]
Dr. Conway ... mad respect for him. 4 hours of meeting was gold.

[1:29]
He was talking about Church, God, Turing and Russel

[1:30]
Explained 3n+1 conjecture, incompleteness theorem, turing, 2+2=5 joke, etc. (edited)

[1:31]
Had him personally taught "surreal number" and the monster.

anonymint [1:40 AM]
Why are some of my posts in this slack disappearing from history? Who is the moderator here?

tomothy
[1:41 AM]
10000 posts

[1:41]
and i don't think thats possible

anonymint [1:41 AM]
I scroll up and I can't find some of my posts.

tomothy
[1:41 AM]
slack sucks, there is that

[1:41]
has it loaded?

[1:42]
oh, you have to click" and more"

[1:42]
to unlock the prior pages

[1:42]
it's not like irc in that regard

[1:42]
well, it doesnt suck, i mean, emojjis

[1:42]
:dancing_penguin:

anonymint [1:44 AM]
The posts between 4am and 4:54am are gone.

[1:46]
Somebody is deleting more and more of the posts. Now the ones from 4:54 are gone also.

tomothy
[1:46 AM]
keep scrolling back and unloading more?

[1:46]
it only keeps 10,000

bitsko
[1:46 AM]
people are allowed to delete their own posts per the settings

anonymint [1:47 AM]
I did. I can see posts from 4am and before, and 4:56am after. But the posts between that time frame are gone. And those were the most damning posts I wrote refuting Craig Wright.

tomothy
[1:47 AM]
impossible

anonymint [1:47 AM]
I did not delete my posts!

tomothy
[1:47 AM]
i can't delete your posts and you can't delete mine

bitsko
[1:47 AM]
I am the only moderator, I am on not going to delete others posts

anonymint [1:47 AM]
So where are my first posts in this discussion?

tomothy
[1:48 AM]
let me do a search

[1:48]
did you say craig or csw/ or?

[1:48]
(trying to limit terms

anonymint [1:48 AM]
Somebody go look for any posts between 4am and 4:56am. Can anyone see any posts from that time frame?

tomothy
[1:49 AM]
i dont have same time, what time is it for you now?

[1:49]
i'm 750pm

anonymint [1:49 AM]
7:50am for me. So go look for posts between 4pm and 4:56pm your time.

tomothy
[1:49 AM]
kk

anonymint [1:50 AM]
Now there are no posts between 4am and 5:29am for me. The problem is getting worse.

tomothy
[1:51 AM]
i have some from 410+

[1:51]
you share the pastebin

[1:51]
i don't think its limit? is it limit?

[1:52]
stuffs missing

[1:52]
i think

anonymint [1:52 AM]
All posts have returned when I refreshed the browser page. Apparently it was some JavaScript glitch.

tomothy
[1:52 AM]
my whole cconversation with you is gone

[1:52]
wtf

[1:53]
ok. so i'm not crazy, but this could drive one crazy :smile:

[1:53]
:hypnotoad:

anonymint [2:15 AM]
@tula, I am glad you prompted me to go review my prior research on the two BU papers, because it caused me to realize something new and important! @dinofelis and I (along with @tromp from private msg) had reasoned[1] that Peter R's whitepaper was irrelevant because well before any posited equilibrium could be reached due to the limitation of orphan rate, that the network would have failed (or necessarily come under centralized control enforcing a lower block size equilibrium) due to bandwidth overload[2], asymmetrical orphan rate game theory strategies[3], or failure to converge on a longest chain due to too high of an orphan rate. I then refuted[4] Andrew Stone’s white paper on the grounds that regulating block size via empty block production will cause miner centralization. However, because as I explained in this slack[5] SegWit enables Xthin-like propagation with UTXO changes available immediately (with the witness proof to normally arrive statistically before the block solution is found), then there is no equilibrium point on block size and it is a tragedy-of-the-fee-commons power vacuum that must be filled by a centralized mining power that enforces a block size limit.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1819153.msg18289475#msg18289475
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1739268.msg18260085#msg18260085
[3] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1819153.msg18273645#msg18273645
[4] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1837136.msg18323030#msg18323030
[5] My comment at 4:19am. https://btcchat.slack.com/archives/G583BUJ7J/p1494101954754652
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Do you think "iamnotback" really has the" Bitcoin killer"?
Do you think "iamnotback" really has the" Bitcoin killer"?
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Miner cartel, Bankster cartel, or an altcoin? Your choice?
Miner cartel, Bankster cartel, or an altcoin? Your choice?
 anonymint
It seems to be true that with SegWit, the minority miners who don't often win their own blocks, have an incentive to mine without validating, so they can decrease their losses due to mining sooner on the next block by not needing to wait for the propagation of witness data and validation delay. However, my thought is they can begin mining on the next block trusting without the witness data, but statistically they will nearly always have received the witness data and validated it long before they Show more…
Thread in #privateYesterday at 10:19 PM

tomothy
[2:19 AM]
Have you reviewed or evaluated parallel validation?

anonymint [2:25 AM]
By parallel validation you could be referring to either multicore usage on each miner, or you could be alluding to some sort of sharded block chain design?

[2:26]
Satoshi’s PoW can not be sharded. And multicore usage doesn’t solve the scaling issues we are discussing.

bitsko
[2:28 AM]
https://github.com/BitcoinUnlimited/BitcoinUnlimited/pull/254/commits/cca06f89f9287e7b0412eeb649e6878170f8d203
GitHub
Parallel Validation by ptschip · Pull Request #254 · BitcoinUnlimited/BitcoinUnlimited
opening PR on the dev branch
 
 

tomothy
[2:28 AM]
and then bitcrusts'

[2:28]
https://bitcrust.org/blog-spend-tree
bitcrust.org
BITCRUST
BITCRUST, Second generation bitcoin software | Fast parallel block validation without UTXO-index (12kB)

[2:29]
https://bitcrust.org/blog-fraud-proofs
bitcrust.org
BITCRUST
BITCRUST, Second generation bitcoin software | Fast parallel block validation without UTXO-index (12kB)

anonymint [2:30 AM]
I am reasonably confident I already figured out what is going to happen, so I can tell you with high confidence the future.

Bitcoin will never be forked to increase the block size or add SegWit. It will remain 1MB forever. It will be the reserve currency and be used by the wealthy who can afford the high transaction fees. Litecoin will become the SegWit+LN off chain scaling coin. There will be no on chain scaling for most of us. We will be pushed off chain onto to regulated Mt. Box-like "banks" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18888361#msg18888361). The shadow elite have planned this out well. Bitcoin was a trojan horse. And we've been totally fooled.
bitcointalk.org
Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Where are you 'Iamnotback'?

tomothy
[2:31 AM]
I think that is a possibility, however, based on continued miner scaling support for an increase, I think there is a chance of that future not coming to pass.

bitsko
[2:31 AM]
:wut:

tomothy
[2:31 AM]
I think we'll probably get 2mbs on chain

anonymint [2:31 AM]
My question for @csw is what is your role in this? Are you a disinformation agent of the shadow elite?


tomothy
[2:31 AM]
but I think LTC will be an interesting experiment

[2:32]
as CW is suggesting the complete removal of a block limit; although he could be a disinformation agent, he still seeks onchain scaling, which runs contrary to globalist interests regarding control

[2:32]
especially if it is to be used to facilitate gaming in all it's shapes and forms...

anonymint [2:35 AM]
In case my links to Bitcointalk stop functioning (mods havebeen deleting posts and entire threads of mine), here is a backup archive: https://web-beta.archive.org/web/*/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.0;all

Does someone have a lifetime paid pastebin account to make a permanent pastebin of my discussion here?
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tomothy
[2:35 AM]
I think there was discussion of setting up an IRC relay; so text could be sent to irc via a bot, and then that text saved/archived

[2:36]
I'm not sure the status of that however

cypherblock [2:39 AM]
@anonymint are you anonymint on bitcointalk ?

[2:39]
or who

anonymint [2:40 AM]
@tomothy I posit there is no real support for an increase. BU and all that (including perhaps @csw) is just PR to keep us distracted from our self-enslavement which we are enabling with our fanatical support of these systems. @dinofelis says I have a confirmation bias because I am working on a consensus design which I claim/posit doesn’t have these problems. I claim to have solved everything.

cypherblock [2:40 AM]
Iamnotback ?

anonymint [2:42 AM]
I am all of these accounts and my real name is Shelby Moore III (my photo is on my avatar at the following link):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=400235.msg16925985#msg16925985
bitcointalk.org
rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;)
rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;)

tomothy
[2:44 AM]
I think you miss the forest for the trees; what i mean by that, is that bitcoin adoption is stalling because of the limit. bitmain has invested significant amounts of capital and needs a return on that which is dependent on again, increased adoption, and increased bitcoin fees

[2:45]
if bitcoin fails to increase on chain txs, mining won't be able to support itself after the next halving

[2:49]
so if there is no increase, bitcoin mining dies. it would have to change how it works and it would no longer be bitcoin

tula [3:05 AM]
@anonymint ok thx.. so it was as i thought ..you assume unregulated blocksize leads to 100% centralization ..because bigger pools have an advantage over smaller pools (no shit)
thus "proving" that bitcoin does not work (is a ponzi scheme) and we need a central bank.
also mathematically proving that generally free market capitalism does not work and thus the only system that works is communism (this should give you a hint where i think you made a mistake) (edited)


jesse [3:06 AM]
joined private by invitation from @bitsko

anonymint [3:33 AM]
@tomothy the altcoin ecosystem adoption is not stalling. Bitcoin is the reserve currency (the most liquid, least volatility) of this ecosystem. Bitcoin will continue to grow in value as the mother ship. Bitmain will profit handsomely. Besides, I am positing that Bitmain is just a front for the shadow elite, and most mined coins end up in the shadow elite's pocket because Bitmain makes sure that independent miners are not that profitable, by selling them hardware that is already months after first produced for the insiders. Nothing is dying. It is all going according to the master plan: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18897366#msg18897366
bitcointalk.org
Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Where are you 'Iamnotback'?

anonymint [3:45 AM]
Coinmarketcap has a chart on total market capitalization that will show you the ecosystem is still growing.

tomothy [3:47 AM]
Yes the overall market has increased. However, I think increasing the blocksize would also increase bitcoin dominance (59). This is because more block space would allow more increased development. In doing so, it would also clearly weakens altcoin market.

anonymint [3:47 AM]
As well that BTC's share of the ecosystem has declined from 90+% to roughly 2/3 rather precipitously recently with the Scalepocalypse coming to moment of truth.

tomothy
[3:47 AM]
I think the global elite ideas is dependent on how that and the issue is framed

[3:48]
For example. If you have a bitcoin, now, you are part of the global elite. Think about how many people live on less than $5 USD/day. So it's about​ perspectives.

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anonymint [3:49 AM]
@tomothy you are at best only a dolphin. Refer to my prior BCT links which explain what I think will happen to the dolphins and the role you play in the NWO.

tomothy
[3:50 AM]
In terms of global politics? I think there was an attempt to limit bitcoin Independence by suggesting segwit and refusing size increase. It failed. Now? Now bitcoin has the opportunity to vote on it's future. Will it change that future? Maybe. Maybe not.
Ok I'll take a look. And then AFK.

cypherblock [9:57 AM]
i would like to be a dolphin

anonymint [9:59 AM]
@tula correct fungible finance is always a winner-take-all paradigm. Marxism rose up (as promoted by the shadow elite to give us a way to deceive ourselves and keep  us preoccupied) as a false antithesis because it is also a loser-take-all paradigm. Neither of these are the solution. But I have good news for you. Both of those paradigms are dying and I know the solution. The death of fungible money is underway and the rise of Inverse Commons in the knowledge age is coming (see links below for more details). My project is all about this. This is why @dinofelis says I have a confirmation bias on my conspiracy theories, yet my math and logic is cogent.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1837136.msg18526830#msg18526830
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1837136.msg18505797#msg18505797

cypherblock [9:59 AM]
wait maybe I am a dolphin. I would like to be a bitcoin dolphin though

[9:59]
sorry had a few glasses of wine

@cryptorebel wrote:
> @hankdasilva some people think mining will become more decentralized over time: https://medium.com/@lopp/the-future-of-bitcoin-mining-ac9c3dc39c60

Ah sorry I debunked the PoW as space heaters in my unpublished whitepaper:

https://gist.github.com/shelby3/943a7191771090600ba08d978a116534

checksum0 [11:28 AM]
Bitcoin mining has never been more decentralized since the advent of mining pool, it is not people arguing, it's fact. (edited)

[11:33]
Also, I don't believe in PoW as space heaters because machine are not build for that (they are built and design to be in mining farm). In the link you posted, the author argue that it is 4000 times more efficient to extract heat thru immersion cooling (citation needed?), well do you know how much efficient _NOT_ removing waste heat is?

[11:33]
I save tens of thousands of dollars every winter _NOT_ having to cool my farm

[11:35]
Bottom line is this: 1kw of heating or 1kw of computation produce the same heat, the idea is too offset you heating cost by mining, NOT to offset your mining cost by not heating the area (edited)

anonymint [11:42 AM]
@checksum0 I have this habit of calling people idiots when they fail to read carefully, because they waste my time causing me to repeat and explain what was already written for them to read. Please try to read again more carefully what I provided. I am the author.

Please read again before replying. (edited)

checksum0 [11:44 AM]
You mean the exerpt that is totally unreadable, that goes from 5.1.1 to 5.7 and then die off without even a conclusion

[11:44]
Yeah, no

[11:44]
fuck off

anonymint [11:45 AM]
Here come the idiot trolls again. They seem to follow me where ever I go.

checksum0 [11:45 AM]
Lol

anonymint [11:47 AM]
If you think it is unreadable, then you are admitting you did not comprehend it.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 07, 2017, 04:24:01 AM
Lol, regarding the prior post, after @macsga assured me there would be no bans, they banned me from the Slack discussion with Craig Wright because @checksum0 is incapable of reading this:

https://gist.github.com/shelby3/943a7191771090600ba08d978a116534

That is why I won’t come back into this cesspool without the groupwise moderation controls we need, because I never know when all the sincere effort I put into a discussion is suddenly blindsided by corrupt moderators.

@checksum0 can’t seem to comprehend that a 4000X efficiency improvement in removing heat is not a 4000X improvement in electricity overhead and the 30 - 50% reduction to 1% is more than ample to make the point there why PoW mining for heat is not economic on any significant scale that could enable decentralization.

He also can not seem to comprehend the point made about the scale of heat that could be offset in the home (nothing of sufficient scale to challenge the centralization of mining farms) is not even worth the labor and capex cost of setting it up and also that in most places in the world winter is only seasonal yet mining equipment is always depreciating if not in constant use. Some miniscule, seasonal, uneconomic anecdotal use of mining offset as heat is irrelevant.

Any way, the point of mentioning here, is this is the reason @Theymos and the mods are induced to ban experts, because the idiots do not want the truth to be stated. They get angry, defensive, and troll until they can either drown out the expert or get the expert banned by baiting an intentional flame war.

This has to stop. And the only way is for us to be able form our own group moderations so we can keep the trolls out of our like-minded groups.

Theymos can either implement the feature of BCT, else I will be implementing it on my project Bitnet.

I think I am done here.

See you like-minded (or even antithetically minded) folks on Bitnet soon....  8)

http://i.imgur.com/Tq6SDby.jpg


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: macsga on May 07, 2017, 05:13:39 AM
Unfortunately not everyone understands your mental and intellectual level my friend. You don't belong there with them but IMO, it's their loss. If the have problems to solve, they are now a brain shorter. Let them figure it out all by themselves.

Cheers and I'm sorry I misinformed you about the ban tactics.
 


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: dinofelis on May 07, 2017, 07:21:41 AM
I consider this post as related to @iamnotback's ban, and his complaint about this being a centralized discussion entity that makes banning of authors, instead of filtering messages, possible.


Such a rudimentary system existed in the 1990-ies as I said before: it was called usenet, and had a simple, decentralized protocol: NNTP.

Afaik, NNTP is not decentralized consensus. Rather it is a single news server which is the canonical source and other servers can mirror it.

Nope.  It was, AFAIK, totally decentralized.  You posted your post to the news server your reader was connected to, who then propagated it in a P2P network of news servers.  You could run your own news server of course but only institutions did so, because that was "heavy" at that time for the existing technology in those days.  In fact, it would even be "heavy" today too.  Bitcoin's block chain is ridiculously small compared to the news groups' daily volume.  That said, a news server mostly didn't keep old stuff.  One month of history was usually standard.  If you wanted to keep stuff, it was entirely your business.

The "consensus" was simply everything, because there was no specific order needed, there was no contradiction to be resolved etc...
Of course, every news server could decide for himself whether he propagated the article or not, but the standard policy was to propagate everything.  There was no crypto needed for that.  You didn't need an "account".   Everyone could just post and put the "credentials" he liked - but of course, nobody would stop you from signing your messages.

No wonder it was a clusterfuck failure. Anyone could then act as an imposter for anyone, and other inconsistencies such as people could post in the future dated as if they had responded in the past, thus pretending to be able to predict the future.

Also there is no guarantee that any server is giving you the full or even correct data!

Well, these are "worries" that didn't ever pose a problem.  

1) Given the fact that an "identity" was just an e-mail address (and a name if you cared about it), it also meant that users KNEW this and hence didn't attach any particular value to that field: there was no point in "stealing an identity" because there wasn't any, so there was not this idiocy of creating "virtual important personalities with a reputation".   But of course, if you really wanted to prove an identity, nothing stopped you from signing a message.  In any case, messages were not meant to be kept, and discussion was ephemeral, unless you wanted to save old stuff yourself.    I think this was in fact a big advantage: the "identity" of the author didn't really matter, what mattered was what was said, and it only mattered for a limited amount of time, like oral conversations.  This limited naturally the "fake personality social value and reputation" because there wasn't really an avatar.  I have to say I've never seen abuse of this.  

2) There wasn't really a "future" or a "past".  There were just messages, threading together (you could of course only reply to an existing message, forming a reply tree ; and there were independent reply trees, taken together in "discussion groups").  You could configure your newsreader to keep a local copy of all the replies of a given tree, so that when these messages were purged from most of the servers, you still had a copy of what was discussed in those discussions you bothered to read.  

3) There was no need for any guarantee.   Of course, as an owner of a news server, you were free to relay or not what you wanted, but given that this was a decentralized system, a message would only not propagate if a LARGE MAJORITY of servers decided to not relay it ; there's a kind of "percolation limit" as to how many servers should ban a message before it gets effectively not propagated.  Note that bitcoin and other cryptos are not different: if the whole network decides to ban a transaction from propagating, it won't propagate.  But this didn't happen.  It did (openly) happen for whole discussion groups: many servers decided to only serve and propagate a limited list of groups ; but this was mainly for reasons of volume.
And of course, it is sufficient that one server contains a given message, and everyone can connect his reader to it to read it.  In other words, this was a true decentralized paradigm.

I have to say I liked usenet a lot, especially for these properties ; the very fact that discussions were essentially ephemeral, that there wasn't any "avatar personality reputation building" and other virtual nonsense, and that the system was simple and decentralized.

But it is clear that it died because people were looking for centralized authority, medals, moderators and the attraction of fake avatar personality building as a side effect of taking positions in discussions.  They wanted a "boss" to select for them what is correct content.  

Usenet wasn't a "database".  That's important. It was a *discussion* of which old interactions disappeared.  Even though this was only implemented for reasons of disk volume, this was in fact a good thing.  Archiving informal discussions is problematic, because in informal discussions, one can test ideas, take temporary positions, say sometimes stupid things ...  Archiving takes all this stuff and turns it into a kind of eternal social contract.  The strong linking between avatars and content makes that one focusses now more on the building of a reputation and the destruction of competitors' reputations, than to discuss about the content.  Whole strategies are now deployed to market or destroy avatars.  

Informal intellectual or recreational discussion shouldn't be a database, and authors of content shouldn't matter.   That was the good thing of usenet.   The bad thing, and why everyone left it, was that the uncensorable freedom to write gibberish made the exercise of reading discussions quite hard and time consuming ; so people preferred a trusted party to select the interesting parts for them ; at the same time, these selectors could "make" or "destroy" authors, which is what opened a market for "allowed posters" ; and, like in tribal acceptance, "being a member of a forum" meant somehow that you were part of those that were saying "important" stuff.  Forums replied with handing out medals, reputations, .... and all the other stuff authorities use to build a hierarchy, and users liked this.  That's how forums took over from usenet ; how a decentralized and free paradigm was set aside for the desire of authority, "social hierarchical recognition", "reputation building" and so on.

This is why I think that "decentralized stuff for the masses" is bullshit.  The masses want hierarchy, bosses and central authority.  Some of us, a small minority, don't.  And we should make our thing, but understand that we are a small, insignificant minority.

There are many indications that "the masses" want authority and prefer centralized paradigms over decentralized ones.  Because people like their own freedom, but they hate even more other peoples' freedom.  And they prefer easiness over freedom, and are willing to delegate trust if it makes life simpler.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 07, 2017, 07:22:46 AM
Someone had sent me a link to @Theymos’ design proposal for a scalable altcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1862818.msg18524718#msg18524718) and so I decided to leave Theymos a parting gift on my way out the door. The browser tab (window) for Theymos’ latest design idea was still open on my browser and I was checking off extraneous todo from list, so I realized I could assist Theymos on this.

Theymos please note I had replied in your prior thread about why a PoW/PoS hybrid is less secure (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1654457.msg17158224#msg17158224) than either PoW or PoS alone.

Your new proposal appears to be a duplicate of Peter Todd's Tree-chains proposal which is already discussed in the unpublished whitepaper for my project.

Quote from: Bitnet whitepaper
[^tree-chains]: Peter Todd. Tree-chains preliminary summary (http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg04388.html). Bitcoin-development mailing list at lists.sourceforge.net, Mar 25, 2014.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 07, 2017, 08:22:19 AM
I consider this post as related to @iamnotback's ban, and his complaint about this being a centralized discussion entity that makes banning of authors, instead of filtering messages, possible.

Agreed.

I thought I was done, but I feel compelled to reply because I think I see some errors in your logic below.


1) [disorganized chaos and crappy user experience]

2) [ditto]

Yep, Usenet wasn’t easy-to-use nor could it remain popular with the much better user experiences with current websites.

3) [no performance guarantees, chaos and unreliable, inconsistent user experience]. In other words, this was a true decentralized paradigm.

You are conflating decentralized with disorganized shit. Decentralized software systems can be indistinguishable in terms of user experience from centralized software systems. That is your broken clock aliasing error again. I do not understand why your brain continually does this. You seem like you have a very high intellect, but you seem to so often make these egregious errors of logic.

Edit: I see below that you were conflating decentralized with maximally disordered.

I have to say I liked usenet a lot, especially for these properties ; the very fact that discussions were essentially ephemeral, that there wasn't any "avatar personality reputation building" and other virtual nonsense, and that the system was simple and decentralized.

Reputation is essential to the way humans evolved in our ancestral environment. Without reputation, humans do not know how to function well, because they do not digest all the information. They use reputation to make shortcuts, because humans are lazy and busy on other things (such as masturbating, stuffing their mouth with food, watching porn, stroking their ego, and other very important activities).

But it is clear that it died because people were looking for centralized authority, medals, moderators and the attraction of fake avatar personality building as a side effect of taking positions in discussions.  They wanted a "boss" to select for them what is correct content.

You were close to correct. They actually want tribal leaders. They want to compare reputations, because this is what humans have always done in tribes.

But you are incorrect to equate this with a single centralized authority. Humans are quite well adapted to forming groups with group leaders. In fact, they like being part of their own tribe within their Dunbar limit. Theymos’ mistake is he is trying for one-size-fits-all site-wide reputation and moderation authority, which is devolving into a clusterfuck (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1904608.msg18905853#msg18905853) because humans need to be able to splinter off into competing tribes (teams). They will rip each others heads off until they are allowed to form tribes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1904608.msg18905853#msg18905853) within their Dunbar limit of closer like-minded relationships.

This is why I am fairly certain my design for a forum will kick ass on BCT’s current design.

Usenet wasn't a "database".  That's important. It was a *discussion* of which old interactions disappeared.

Group leaders will never tolerate such a system. Would never become popular because the flock follow where the tribal leaders go.

The group leaders will drive the demand for the decentralized systems, because they do not want to invest in closed source, because they risk their investment being stolen by the centralized authority of the closed source.

Archiving informal discussions is problematic, because in informal discussions, one can test ideas, take temporary positions, say sometimes stupid things ...  Archiving takes all this stuff and turns it into a kind of eternal social contract.  The strong linking between avatars and content makes that one focusses now more on the building of a reputation and the destruction of competitors' reputations, than to discuss about the content.  Whole strategies are now deployed to market or destroy avatars.

It will remain that way until humans evolve.

Informal intellectual or recreational discussion shouldn't be a database, and authors of content shouldn't matter.

I disagree. I often refer back to my discussions to remember what I was thinking. Can you remember everything you ever said and thought  ??? Even if you can, how many people can do that?

I can remember a lot of what I have written. Maybe 500 pages of it, but not verbatim. I can remember well enough to use Google to find the post I want.

That was the good thing of usenet.   The bad thing, and why everyone left it, was that the uncensorable freedom to write gibberish made the exercise of reading discussions quite hard and time consuming ; so people preferred a trusted party to select the interesting parts for them ; at the same time, these selectors could "make" or "destroy" authors, which is what opened a market for "allowed posters" ; and, like in tribal acceptance, "being a member of a forum" meant somehow that you were part of those that were saying "important" stuff.  Forums replied with handing out medals, reputations, .... and all the other stuff authorities use to build a hierarchy, and users liked this.  That's how forums took over from usenet ;

Correct.

how a decentralized and free paradigm was set aside for the desire of authority, "social hierarchical recognition", "reputation building" and so on.

Decentralization does not necessarily mean that there are no group leaders. You are thinking in terms of absolute decentralization, but there is no absolute. Decentralize all the atoms in our bodies, we can not even post anything, and that is still not absolute.

Disorder and decentralization are not the same concept. You are conflating. Decentralization is about distributing the control of a system. It does not mean the distribution has to be maximal to the point that there is no control whatsoever (complete disorder, i.e. maximum uncertainty and random chance).

This is why I think that "decentralized stuff for the masses" is bullshit.

Disordered chaos is bullshit, but you are conflating this with decentralized systems.

The masses want hierarchy, bosses and central authority.

Nope they will kill each other if locked into a single grouping (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1904608.msg18905853#msg18905853) and they can not fork off into tribes. That is why the future of the EU is going to be so horrific because the EU refuses to allow the different groups (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/macrons-victory-at-65-is-part-i-part-ii-parliament-elections-in-june/) to have their own governance.

Some of us, a small minority, don't.  And we should make our thing, but understand that we are a small, insignificant minority.

Nope we are all in the majority of being tribal.

There are many indications that "the masses" want authority and prefer centralized paradigms over decentralized ones.  Because people like their own freedom, but they hate even more other peoples' freedom.  And they prefer easiness over freedom, and are willing to delegate trust if it makes life simpler.

They hate not having tribes (teams) to go war against.

They prefer reputation over information.

Now I understand why you wrote the following and why you hope the Singularity is true and humans are destroyed and replaced by machine intelligence:

That said, it comes close to my view on the world: "me", and "the others" :)


Regarding the Craig Wright scam Slack that banned me from my post in the prior page of this thread today:

Code:
[quote]also, "Reputation is essential to the way humans evolved in our ancestral environment. Without reputation, humans do not know how to function well, because they do not digest all the information. They use reputation to make shortcuts":
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cryptorebel
8:23 AM
anonymint seemed like the troll and being disrespectful, imo...im glad hes gone

cryptorebel
8:31 AM
i dont think check was rude, anonymint seemed very rude to me from the start
i thought he was some infiltrator troll or something
but a lot were vouching for him

cryptorebel
8:33 AM
anonymint was acting arrogant, he could have raised his points without being a jerk about it

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cryptorebel is trusting his perception of checksum0's reputation against the new intruder
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csw
11:39 AM
@anonymint Commons. Please... The solution is simple, markets. No more no less
fatman3001
11:41 AM
looks like anonymint ragequit the channel
csw
11:43 AM
Bloody socialists

And they ganged up to kick me out because I was busting their scam. Craig Wright could not stand up to me and have debate. The scammer Craig Wright says something nebulous about markets and didn’t refute any of the points I made (see the pastebin in my prior post for the details).

Then of course they lie and accuse me of rage quitting when in fact they removed my access to the Slack discussion channel (someone I know sent me the update of what they wrote about me after they kicked me out).

They are playing the reputation game.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: dinofelis on May 07, 2017, 12:10:05 PM
Yep, Usenet wasn’t easy-to-use nor could it remain popular with the much better user experiences with current websites.

That was just a matter of making a better newsreader client.  I think that was not the problem.  It is true that usenet originated in the unix/command line/text interface world, and its traditional users probably didn't see any reason to switch to some fancy graphical interface and "feature-hiding", but it could easily have evolved.  As I said, that was not, IMO, the principal reason for its abandoning.

3) [no performance guarantees, chaos and unreliable, inconsistent user experience]. In other words, this was a true decentralized paradigm.

I never had any technical issues, honestly.  The only pain in moderated groups was that your post only appeared something like the next day, because the moderator had to approve it before it appeared.  But that was already not usenet's spirit.  Moderation was something that was added to it because the unmoderated groups were full of shit, and wading though it to find something interesting to discuss was delegated to a dude that wanted to do this.

But usenet worked very reliably, technically.  No "bad user experience" (if you didn't mind command line client software and ascii, but on a VT-100 terminal, you mostly didn't have anything else in any case !).

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You are conflating decentralized with disorganized shit. Decentralized software systems can be indistinguishable in terms of user experience from centralized software systems. That is your broken clock aliasing error again. I do not understand why your brain continually does this. You seem like you have a very high intellect, but you seem to so often make these egregious errors of logic.

As I said, and I've been using usenet for more than a decade, it wasn't "disorganized shit" at all, but the fancy bells and whistles of graphical user interfaces was not deemed necessary (that said, they exist).
And yes, I already told you that I think that a system can only remain decentralized when it is "disorganized" and when there are no "rules forever".  For instance, I consider the ecosystem of crypto coins as potentially decentralized, but there is no single crypto coin which comes near being "decentralized", on the contrary.  However, the "disorganized mess" they form, comes somewhat closer.  So yes, in as much as usenet could about do anything, it was decentralized. 


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Edit: I see below that you were conflating decentralized with maximally disordered.

Yup, but that's on purpose.

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Reputation is essential to the way humans evolved in our ancestral environment. Without reputation, humans do not know how to function well, because they do not digest all the information. They use reputation to make shortcuts, because humans are lazy and busy on other things (such as masturbating, stuffing their mouth with food, watching porn, stroking their ego, and other very important activities).

This brings us to trust, to hierarchies, and to centralization.  And why most people are not into the "decentralized stuff" thing.

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You were close to correct. They actually want tribal leaders. They want to compare reputations, because this is what humans have always done in tribes.

But you are incorrect to equate this with a single centralized authority. Humans are quite well adapted to forming groups with group leaders.

Ah, I see.   By "centralized" I don't mean "one single controlling entity", but simply the existence of hierarchies of control and command.  So yes, several tribal leaders are a centralized system (from the point of view of a tribe member).  Of course, they form a decentralized system amongst themselves, if these tribal leaders themselves do not have "higher" hierarchies.  But from the point of view of the tribe member, he is part of a centralized system: his tribe, with its rules and hierarchy.

Now, there can be dynamics in the "decentralized layer" of tribal leaders (for instance, warfare) that have the tendency to make only one the dominant one ; or there can be dynamics that will rather make it difficult to dominate.  Depending on the dynamical laws of the system, there will be convergence to a "natural monopoly" or not.    Things which have network effect tend to have this convergence towards monopoly, and discussion forums are part of that.

As a member, a discussion forum is a central authority ; but discussion forums on the internet have no "higher authority" and hence form an disorganised, and hence decentralized, system.  But their evolution is usually that the forum with the biggest network effect draws in all users - unless there are niche applications for other forums (for instance, differently moderated).  The dynamical interactions of the market share of discussion forums are a messy, and hence decentralized dynamics, with no hierarchical control but which usually lead to a single market leader, giving a lot of power to the hierarchy of that "tribe".

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In fact, they like being part of their own tribe within their Dunbar limit. Theymos’ mistake is he is trying for one-size-fits-all site-wide reputation and moderation authority, which is devolving into a clusterfuck (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1904608.msg18905853#msg18905853) because humans need to be able to splinter off into competing tribes (teams). They will rip each others heads off until they are allowed to form tribes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1904608.msg18905853#msg18905853) within their Dunbar limit of closer like-minded relationships.

Well that's not Theymos' "fault".  He's just the tribal leader of the tribe that became a natural monopoly.  If you want to be part of his tribe, there's not much else to do but to submit to his rules (or stay under the radar).

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Usenet wasn't a "database".  That's important. It was a *discussion* of which old interactions disappeared.

Group leaders will never tolerate such a system. Would never become popular because the flock follow where the tribal leaders go.

That's exactly why I think that usenet got abandoned ; because people wanted tribal leaders (= centralisation = hierarchy and authority).

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The group leaders will drive the demand for the decentralized systems, because they do not want to invest in closed source, because they risk their investment being stolen by the centralized authority of the closed source.

Forum software is mostly open source... (?)

Archiving informal discussions is problematic, because in informal discussions, one can test ideas, take temporary positions, say sometimes stupid things ...  Archiving takes all this stuff and turns it into a kind of eternal social contract.  The strong linking between avatars and content makes that one focusses now more on the building of a reputation and the destruction of competitors' reputations, than to discuss about the content.  Whole strategies are now deployed to market or destroy avatars.

It will remain that way until humans evolve.

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Informal intellectual or recreational discussion shouldn't be a database, and authors of content shouldn't matter.

I disagree. I often refer back to my discussions to remember what I was thinking. Can you remember everything you ever said and thought  ??? Even if you can, how many people can do that?

I can remember a lot of what I have written. Maybe 500 pages of it, but not verbatim. I can remember well enough to use Google to find the post I want.

That's actually one of your irritating posting habits.  I forget about immediately what I say (even though by saying it, I improved a conceptual understanding of something).   It is like an oral conversation: you simply have to say again whatever it might have been what you were saying before.  I consider a discussion "without memory", and arguments only to be valid at the moment of discussion in the flow of the arguments.  Of course, during some "back and forth" in a *given discussion*, one can refer to some earlier posts if they inspired a reply to a reply or something, but indeed, everything from more than a week ago should be forgotten (and in my case, mostly IS forgotten). 

Logical reasoning is "instantaneous", well, for the length of the argument, and is then "back into the bit bucket", just like in the case of an oral conversation.  You are not going to have people listen to pre-recorded older conversations in a given conversation, are you ?


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Decentralization does not necessarily mean that there are no group leaders. You are thinking in terms of absolute decentralization, but there is no absolute. Decentralize all the atoms in our bodies, we can not even post anything, and that is still not absolute.

Ah, to me, yes. Decentralization is the total absence of hierarchy, leadership and the perfect "flatness" of all command and control - which can only happen in a totally disorganized system.

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Disorder and decentralization are not the same concept. You are conflating. Decentralization is about distributing the control of a system. It does not mean the distribution has to be maximal to the point that there is no control whatsoever (complete disorder, i.e. maximum uncertainty and random chance).

Ok, well, to me, both notions are the same.   I'm not saying that a decentralized system cannot implement dynamics that naturally evolve towards forms of leadership, but I consider then that they centralize ; unless they also contain dynamical rules that destroy these leaders, so that leadership is an ephemeral phenomenon. 

Like prey and predators in nature ; you might think that these establish some kind of "hierarchy", but usually, these hierarchies are just as well destroyed as set up, so that's ok.   It is when the dynamics can lock in leadership, that I consider it a failed decentralisation. 

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The masses want hierarchy, bosses and central authority.

Nope they will kill each other if locked into a single grouping (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1904608.msg18905853#msg18905853) and they can not fork off into tribes. That is why the future of the EU is going to be so horrific because the EU refuses to allow the different groups to have their own governance.

I'm not talking about a SINGLE grouping, but *every* form of sustained grouping.  Tribal groupings are also, as I said, centralized from the point of view of a tribe member.  Whether you have to obey to your tribe leader, or you have to obey to the king of the world, doesn't really matter from the point of view of a member.  Of course, it makes all the difference in the world for a tribal leader, who has to put up with other tribal leaders ; or with a king of the world ; or wants to be the king of the world.

From the moment there are hierarchies, I consider the system centralized, even if there can be many of them in parallel, as long as you are locked into one as a member, it doesn't make a difference.

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Nope we are all in the majority of being tribal.

I'm not very tribal. 

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There are many indications that "the masses" want authority and prefer centralized paradigms over decentralized ones.  Because people like their own freedom, but they hate even more other peoples' freedom.  And they prefer easiness over freedom, and are willing to delegate trust if it makes life simpler.

They hate not having tribes (teams) to go war against.

They prefer reputation over information.

Now I understand why you wrote the following and why you hope the Singularity is true and humans are destroyed and replaced by machine intelligence:

That said, it comes close to my view on the world: "me", and "the others" :)


Finally :)


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 07, 2017, 09:50:55 PM
A reminder to moderators, @dinofelis and I are continuing this discussion because it pertains to the ban and the fact that BCT does not allow formation of groups.

Yep, Usenet wasn’t easy-to-use nor could it remain popular with the much better user experiences with current websites.

That was just a matter of making a better newsreader client.  I think that was not the problem.  It is true that usenet originated in the unix/command line/text interface world, and its traditional users probably didn't see any reason to switch to some fancy graphical interface and "feature-hiding", but it could easily have evolved.  As I said, that was not, IMO, the principal reason for its abandoning.

The user experience includes the fact that without moderation Usenet was disorganized mess.

And sorry but you are incorrect. Everything I wrote about why it died is correct (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9987679).

Technically there were all sorts of problems (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty) and the lack of monetization (https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/3c3xyu/why_usenet_died/) due to the fact that it was a not a blockchain with a monetization model. And it sucked and no one had the incentive (or even the top-down power to) to organize and improve the system holistically.

Frankly, @dinofelis but I know my field of software very well. I have been a specialist in this field for 38 years.

I never had any technical issues, honestly.



But usenet worked very reliably, technically.  No "bad user experience" (if you didn't mind command line client software and ascii, but on a VT-100 terminal, you mostly didn't have anything else in any case !).

Incorrrect. See the linked references above.

You are conflating decentralized with disorganized shit. Decentralized software systems can be indistinguishable in terms of user experience from centralized software systems. That is your broken clock aliasing error again. I do not understand why your brain continually does this. You seem like you have a very high intellect, but you seem to so often make these egregious errors of logic.

As I said, and I've been using usenet for more than a decade, it wasn't "disorganized shit" at all

Incorrect.

You were close to correct. They actually want tribal leaders. They want to compare reputations, because this is what humans have always done in tribes.

But you are incorrect to equate this with a single centralized authority. Humans are quite well adapted to forming groups with group leaders.

Now, there can be dynamics in the "decentralized layer" of tribal leaders (for instance, warfare) that have the tendency to make only one the dominant one ; or there can be dynamics that will rather make it difficult to dominate.  Depending on the dynamical laws of the system, there will be convergence to a "natural monopoly" or not.    Things which have network effect tend to have this convergence towards monopoly, and discussion forums are part of that.

Twitter is a prime example of group leaders yet interacting for a larger economy-of-scale network effects.

Each person’s Twitter feed is their own self-moderated domain, yet these group leaders do choose to interact and cite tweets by each other. Each top level tweet is analogous to a new self-moderated forum thread. Then discussion proceeds in that thread.

So there is already a very popular precedent for what I want to do. The major distinction is that Twitter does sometimes remove content and with a blockchain that will be impossible. And the other major distinction is that Twitter’s database is closed source so that no one can build alternative clients and ways of interacting with the data. With a blockchain, new sorts of apps and forum designs can sprout spontaneously without any permission nor interference from a centralized overlord (e.g. Twitter or Theymos).

In fact, they like being part of their own tribe within their Dunbar limit. Theymos’ mistake is he is trying for one-size-fits-all site-wide reputation and moderation authority, which is devolving into a clusterfuck (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1904608.msg18905853#msg18905853) because humans need to be able to splinter off into competing tribes (teams). They will rip each others heads off until they are allowed to form tribes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1904608.msg18905853#msg18905853) within their Dunbar limit of closer like-minded relationships.

Well that's not Theymos' "fault".  He's just the tribal leader of the tribe that became a natural monopoly.  If you want to be part of his tribe, there's not much else to do but to submit to his rules (or stay under the radar).

Sorry but you yet again do not grasp the point.

Theymos’ has not improved the software so that groups can form within the monolith of BCT. I do not know why you are so obstinate and refuse to grasp points that are made to you. It makes it very frustrating to have a discussion with you. It is when you make replies like this, I doubt whether you have a high intellect.

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Usenet wasn't a "database".  That's important. It was a *discussion* of which old interactions disappeared.

Group leaders will never tolerate such a system. Would never become popular because the flock follow where the tribal leaders go.

That's exactly why I think that usenet got abandoned ; because people wanted tribal leaders (= centralisation = hierarchy and authority).

You can not seem to wrap your mind around the concept that there are levels of decentralization. A single top-down control which does not allow the natural splintering of top-down groups as the usership grows beyond the Dunbar limit, is thus going to stagnate and die. Which is what is happening now to BCT. Whereas, Twitter which does allow natural fitness of splintering into group formation is thriving. Whereas, Usenet which was derelict in so many ways and moderated groups was added as an after thought and did not function that well compared to other options that group leaders have, thus died.

We build systems for the group leaders. They are the most important users.

The group leaders will drive the demand for the decentralized systems, because they do not want to invest in closed source, because they risk their investment being stolen by the centralized authority of the closed source.

Forum software is mostly open source... (?)

The database of this forum is not open source.

I disagree. I often refer back to my discussions to remember what I was thinking. Can you remember everything you ever said and thought  ??? Even if you can, how many people can do that?

I can remember a lot of what I have written. Maybe 500 pages of it, but not verbatim. I can remember well enough to use Google to find the post I want.

That's actually one of your irritating posting habits.

Quoting is disruptive to discussion and I contemplated (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1739268.msg18359684#msg18359684) how we might think about striking a better balance.

I forget about immediately what I say (even though by saying it, I improved a conceptual understanding of something).   It is like an oral conversation: you simply have to say again whatever it might have been what you were saying before.  I consider a discussion "without memory", and arguments only to be valid at the moment of discussion in the flow of the arguments.  Of course, during some "back and forth" in a *given discussion*, one can refer to some earlier posts if they inspired a reply to a reply or something, but indeed, everything from more than a week ago should be forgotten (and in my case, mostly IS forgotten).  

Logical reasoning is "instantaneous", well, for the length of the argument, and is then "back into the bit bucket", just like in the case of an oral conversation.  You are not going to have people listen to pre-recorded older conversations in a given conversation, are you ?

Your group will be enjoined by people who want to have the sort of discussion you like. My group will be enjoined by those who like my German attention to detail (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4901) (I do have German ancestry and some Germans are known to write an accounting of everything they ever buy). Note I also have Welsh, southern French, and Cherokee native American ancestry as well. So I have a mix of ancestral personality types. Sometimes I will do a very rash/erratic/belligerent action, and that is probably my Cherokee genetics. I am very creative so I am not just your typical boring German, which I attribute to the exotic mix of Welsh, French, and Cherokee.

What will be ironic is after all your obstinance here in this thread, you’ll probably ending using Bitnet and loving it.

Decentralization does not necessarily mean that there are no group leaders. You are thinking in terms of absolute decentralization, but there is no absolute. Decentralize all the atoms in our bodies, we can not even post anything, and that is still not absolute.

Ah, to me, yes. Decentralization is the total absence of hierarchy, leadership and the perfect "flatness" of all command and control - which can only happen in a totally disorganized system.

Then splinter yourself into the smallest known particles or wave actions known in the universe, yet you still will never be maximally disordered because the 2nd law of Thermo says entropy is always trending to maximum.

There are levels of decentralization, and there are no absolutes in our universe.

Disorder and decentralization are not the same concept. You are conflating. Decentralization is about distributing the control of a system. It does not mean the distribution has to be maximal to the point that there is no control whatsoever (complete disorder, i.e. maximum uncertainty and random chance).

Ok, well, to me, both notions are the same.

Aliasing error again.

I'm not saying that a decentralized system cannot implement dynamics that naturally evolve towards forms of leadership, but I consider then that they centralize ; unless they also contain dynamical rules that destroy these leaders, so that leadership is an ephemeral phenomenon.

You are concerned that any system which can centralize will grow ever more centralized.

Actually that is an incorrect fear about the way nature is. That happens in fungible finance because fungible finance is a winner-take-all paradigm:

Edit: we are having a discussion over at slack and Craig Wright (@csw) the self-proclaimed Satoshi Nakamoto is participating (https://pastebin.com/TZY4aQU0). I am posting there as @anonymint:

https://pastebin.com/S6quvGMk

tula [3:05 AM]
@anonymint ok thx.. so it was as i thought ..you assume unregulated blocksize leads to 100% centralization ..because bigger pools have an advantage over smaller pools (no shit)
thus "proving" that bitcoin does not work (is a ponzi scheme) and we need a central bank.
also mathematically proving that generally free market capitalism does not work and thus the only system that works is communism (this should give you a hint where i think you made a mistake) (edited)

anonymint [9:59 AM]
@tula correct fungible finance is always a winner-take-all paradigm. Marxism rose up (as promoted by the shadow elite to give us a way to deceive ourselves and keep  us preoccupied) as a false antithesis because it is also a loser-take-all paradigm. Neither of these are the solution. But I have good news for you. Both of those paradigms are dying and I know the solution. The death of fungible money is underway and the rise of Inverse Commons in the knowledge age is coming (see links below for more details). My project is all about this. This is why @dinofelis says I have a confirmation bias on my conspiracy theories, yet my math and logic is cogent.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1837136.msg18526830#msg18526830
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1837136.msg18505797#msg18505797

But humans actually refuse to remain in groups larger than their Dunbar limit. They can only be enticed to do so by massive debt-based bribes of socialism, but this is not sustainable.

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The masses want hierarchy, bosses and central authority.

Nope they will kill each other if locked into a single grouping (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1904608.msg18905853#msg18905853) and they can not fork off into tribes. That is why the future of the EU is going to be so horrific because the EU refuses to allow the different groups (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/macrons-victory-at-65-is-part-i-part-ii-parliament-elections-in-june/) to have their own governance.

I'm not talking about a SINGLE grouping, but *every* form of sustained grouping.  Tribal groupings are also, as I said, centralized from the point of view of a tribe member.  Whether you have to obey to your tribe leader, or you have to obey to the king of the world, doesn't really matter from the point of view of a member.

Users will have the freedom to join different groups and even create their own groups, as they do on Twitter.

P.S. more links on why EU is going to have a hard crash landing:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/taxes/hunting-tourists-in-europe-for-fines/
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/french-elections-a-sell-signal-long-term-for-the-eu-regardless-of-who-wins/
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/europes-current-economy/poland-the-next-crisis-for-the-eu-independent-sovereignty-is-the-issue/

Nope we are all in the majority of being tribal.

I'm not very tribal.

You do appear to be an oddball. I do not see how you cope in society since you believe in absolute decentralization which can not exist. We could get into the theoretical Physics of that, but not now.

I view you as a pessimist curmudgeon. You dislike humanity and wish they’d all be culled (except as you said some of your friends which means you are tribal). But humanity is actually fantastically creative (http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html).

I still am inspired by humanity. Of course I would like to be able to filter the trolls from my group, but I would not want to ban them from the view of others who wish to see their posts.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: kiklo on May 08, 2017, 02:49:00 AM
So Iamnotback got a perma ban for ban evasion, after posting a few of the same posts.

Lauda , who commits extortion on BTC Talk members , not only is allowed to stay and sully the names of others on a whim.

Why has Lauda not been perma banned , where I come from Extortion is a much greater offense , than simply having multiple posts.

Why is Lauda receiving favoritism and Iamnotback receiving the extreme punishment.

Lauda is the one that should be Perma Banned not Iamnotback!


 8)


FYI:
This guy got banned for Plagiarizing content.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1902351.0

If he had only committed extortion instead , then he be fine as Lauda.  :P
What kind of fucked up system is this, that Plagiarizing and multiple posting is Worse than Extortion!


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: jonald_fyookball on May 08, 2017, 03:23:39 AM
While we're on the topic, Lauda is obviously a blockstream shill... Gmaxwell is abusing the trust system as well, downvoting me and upvoting lauda and carlton banks.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Lecter on May 08, 2017, 07:13:09 AM
the_end_is_near:

Where are you currently posting besides BCT?


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 08, 2017, 03:45:52 PM
@kiklo and @jonald_fyookball, well good luck on fighting the system. I just think we need a system that each of us can own and not depend on anyone to get what we want. With a blockchain based forum, we will each own our investment in forum discussions, followers, and group formation. I prefer to work on a solution, rather than fighting within the system here.

the_end_is_near:

Where are you currently posting besides BCT?

Trying to stop posting and do coding instead. Actually when @iamnotback was recently banned, I remarked in private that it was probably the best favor for me, to force me to stop using so much time posting. Prior bans I didn't accept, because I wasn't yet in the position (nor health) to actuate plans. I accept this ban now.

I will be back to posting (not here) as soon as I can get Bitnet launched.

Watch for an announcement on my Steemit (http://steemit.com/@anonymint) (you can follow me there). Also I presume some others will be following me there, and then pass along the ANN on BCT.

Bitnet is the tentative name and I've tried to think of a better name, and so far I had been admonished and told Bitnet is the best name. So I am assuming that will probably stick.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: jonald_fyookball on May 09, 2017, 02:52:59 AM
@kiklo and @jonald_fyookball, well good luck on fighting the system. I just think we need a system that each of us can own and not depend on anyone to get what we want. With a blockchain based forum, we will each own our investment in forum discussions, followers, and group formation. I prefer to work on a solution, rather than fighting within the system here.

the_end_is_near:

Where are you currently posting besides BCT?

Trying to stop posting and do coding instead. Actually when @iamnotback was recently banned, I remarked in private that it was probably the best favor for me, to force me to stop using so much time posting. Prior bans I didn't accept, because I wasn't yet in the position (nor health) to actuate plans. I accept this ban now.

I will be back to posting (not here) as soon as I can get Bitnet launched.

Watch for an announcement on my Steemit (http://steemit.com/@anonymint) (you can follow me there). Also I presume some others will be following me there, and then pass along the ANN on BCT.

Bitnet is the tentative name and I've tried to think of a better name, and so far I had been admonished and told Bitnet is the best name. So I am assuming that will probably stick.

I'm not trying to fight anything, just taking the opportunity to point out some malicious actors.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 10, 2017, 08:36:38 PM
Since @kiklo’s thread is locked, I want to relay from PMs that he had been undergoing very bad back pain, so that might be another reason he lashed out so aggressively, even though his angst was justifiable, I tried to point out to him that nobody cares that much that the forum is flawed, because we are all too busy making money speculating on altcoins while BTC also continues to rise. So economically, no one has an incentive to change what appears to be working for drawing in more newbies so all boats keep rising. I also suggested he consider barbell workouts for the holistic health benefits of HGH. @kiklo is 84 years old! I think Theymos should treat his elders with more respect! @kiklo is my elder as I am only a spring chicken at age 52. An 84 year old man that apparently coded his own altcoin impresses me.

Remember this. All of you millennials are going to be old someday, and then you will also have physical limitations/pains/fatigue, and wish that people will have some consideration for all that you've accomplished and worked hard for in your life. Or maybe y'all just all commit suicide because you're failed fantasies, dominated by the hard working Asians, and jaded attitude may make you all too depressed when you get old. What happened to being nice to old people? It made me feel good to show extra consideration to my grandparents and they were also very loving to me.

I think Theymos does not understand the older generation. We elders come from a time where word-of-honor and respecting each other was a paramount virtue. The younger Twitter generation has a more jaded and disposable view of family, tribe, and honor. The Millennials are the “throw away” generation. Many of them do not respect anyone and as @mprep demonstrated upthread, they do not respect production and want to cut everyone down in a crab bucket mentality just “for the lolz” (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18857480#msg18857480). I believe (not in every individual case of course but overall) the Asians (Chinese especially) are going to kick ass on the western Millennials, because they have stronger family values and want to accomplish something for their parents and community. Note however, there is some value in being flexible, doing the easiest things first (e.g. 1 line tweets), and not taking online crap too seriously. In that respect, we might expect Millennials to find the sweet spots of production. We elders need to also adapt.

I believe that is bullshit lies that Craig Wright is writing in Slack about Theymos and Cobra-Bitcoin being involved in cybercrime and botnets formerly for pharma spam, then mining, and now DDoS for hire. Theymos is between 25 (he said 21 on his AMA 4 years ago) and 26 (DOB on a doxx was 1991) years old. He got involved in Bitcoin because he heard something on 4chan. He works as a web programmer for the State Senate of Wisconsin. He is/was a CompSci student of University of Wisconsin at Madison. Sirus turned over his role in BCT and Bitcoin.org to an anonymous person Cobra-Bitcoin. Sirus says that he and Theymos only managed the domains and the domains are actually owned by someone Satoshi trusted. It is strikingly notable that Theymos has been annointed to have so much control over those two domains plus r/BTC. Me thinks Theymos knows many things he is not telling us. On his AMA, he ignored the question asking if he was involved somehow in the government with his role in Bitcoin. But I can only speculate.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: KikloV2 on May 12, 2017, 07:12:09 AM
@Shelby,

It was a pleasure meeting you.
Lauda aka Theymos just banned me.

Good Luck with your Projects.  :)

Kiklo has left the Building.


FYI:
Why was Kiklo banned?
Because Lauda is Theymos!


FYI2:
What really sucks is this newbie account was only a few short of no longer being a newbie.  :P


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: criptix on May 13, 2017, 02:14:58 AM
Much drama while i was busy  :o

Sad to see that there wont be any compromise, but well - it was pretty much written on the wall.

Good luck for bitnet, i will try to put an eye on it!


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 21, 2017, 08:41:48 AM
The mods do not want you to know the reality about Bitcoin.

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@Dorky the chart of reality refutes you:

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionfees-btc.html


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: hv_ on May 22, 2017, 09:51:59 AM
Hey friends, cool thread here, looks like a new legend Mods-Observer in the making?


 ;D


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: the_end_is_near on May 26, 2017, 11:30:38 PM
Farewell to BCT with this final post. Follows a summary of wisdom (re-)gained.

Quote from: shelby 27 May., 2:18 am
Just this week at the 4th of the 6 month antibiotic treatment for my 6+ year disseminated (e.g. gut, lymph nodes, brain, lungs) Tuberculosis infection, has my health improved such that I can function normally in work and daily intense athletics without crashing. I want to code and think about code only. This speculative trading and Internet discussions activity is a huge distraction that will destroy my focus on the Bitnet project if I do not cease it. That would be a damn shame.

Quote from: shelby 27 May., 2:15 am
So to K.I.S.S. principle (https://github.com/keean/zenscript/issues/27#issuecomment-304210354), I am remaining in BTC and if LTC drops to 0.009 (https://www.tradingview.com/x/Ij4xncZf/), then I will buy. I have no strong compelling reason I must buy here at 0.0115. I need to not lose money, more than I need to make money. My BTC is for my expenses so I can focus on my programming and complete Bitnet pronto. And I need my regular sleeping patterns, not being slave to staring at a trading screen.

The hypothesis since April 2 was that in 2013 LTC had to move towards 0.03 then 0.05 in April and November, in order for BTC to start moving towards a significant new ATH. When LTC caught up at 0.05 in November, then BTC crashed and we entered a 3 year winter. Why wouldn’t that pattern repeat (http://i.imgur.com/gOnzJfq.png). Remember the majority is always wrong. If everybody is afraid LTC will crash (and BTC has peaked), then LTC will not crash and BTC has not peaked. When everyone starts thinking BTC to $10,000 or $100,000, that is when BTC has peaked at perhaps $4000. Just remember that any linear increase in blocksize such as 2MB + SegWit (https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-price-hits-2150-following-rapid-progress-in-segwit-scaling-talks) does not resolve nor stop the exponentially rising transaction fees which will force everyone off chain (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18859434#msg18859434), and even SegWit enables Lightning Networks which places more demand for on chain transactions for settlement of off chain centralized Mt. Box aggregators (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5r6l2v/lightning_network_security_concern_and_bitcoin/dgte8fl/?context=5) who will easily afford to pay $60,000 per transaction fees. Every blockchain consensus technology to date is winner-take-all political struggle of the whales (https://cointelegraph.com/news/dirty-politics-responsible-for-confirmation-queues-on-bitcoin-blockchain). And we have a Dot.com-like ICO bubble that will probably also soon burst (https://medium.com/@josh_nussbaum/the-ico-bubble-6cadefaf8cbc). Are we really surprised that the recent scalability agreement is not a panacea (http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-new-scaling-agreement-reaction/) and thus BTC price is not going to the moon in a straight line.

Edit: In that ICO link above, Ethereum is Netcape (https://medium.com/@josh_nussbaum/the-ico-bubble-6cadefaf8cbc#6f72) and I hope Bitnet will be Firefox, W3C standards, Chrome, and the iPhone.

Quote from: shelby 27 May., 4:30 am
The main impediment was the illness. You could research what chronic illness does to a human. You really have no way to understand it. Imagine you had to spend the next 6 years inside a barrel of oil with a breathing tube.

Try to code drunk with someone punching you in the stomach while working and get food poisoning also. Something like that describes my condition before these antibiotics. The high dose vitamin d3 would give me enough hormones to fight through a 2 hour workout, but the crashing after it was like my first sentence. I am not exaggerating. It was really horrible. My intense desire not to fail somehow super-willed me to get some work done, but when I remember working in that chronic illness condition, I shudder.

That is 100% truth.

That description didn't really accurately describe the malaise though. It is like you are asleep and can't not wake up. And very bad feeling in your head and body. And feel so fatigue can not hold your eyes open, but if you lay down you can not sleep either. I really can not describe it well. Until you have experience it, you can not know the feeling.

The feeling is so horrible. You just wish it would end. You wish you could just sleep and never wake up (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1070773/). I need to think about how to describe it with words such that someone could visualize the feelings.

Unlike in a normal health, we enjoy being awake. We feel interested to do things.

During my 6+ year sickness or especially the last 2 - 3 years, doing anything (including doing nothing) was so horrible and difficult. You just want it to all end.

The only thing I could do was fight and try to be productive so as to try to not think about it, but it is nearly impossible to ignore it. Ah I really can not describe it. Just so very thankful I am feeling better, even if I still have a little bit of the symptoms remaining.

Quote from: anonymous 27 May., 4:33 am
yeah I remember those moments you had lost the hope and were talking about just starting to run somewhere and run until you die, can't really imagine what it was like

if you didn't have your athletic spirit and talent you wouldnt' be here today, I'm certain

when someone is sick normally with fever or stomach flu or even has a hangover, the knowledge that it'll be over in a few hours or days makes it bearable.. but if there's no hope that tomorrow will be any better, then... well let's just say I'm happy I haven't had to experience it!

Quote from: shelby 27 May., 4:37 am
Yeah sort of like that!

But now I wake up and I am interested to do things. I am enjoying life mostly.  Still some symptoms but not so continuously and not so horrible. Just slight.

Quote from: anonymous 27 May., 2:19 am
It certainly would be. Do you feel your stance on discussion has changed for the better? Has it been helping at all?

Quote from: shelby 27 May., 2:26 am
When I was a very productive programmer in the 1980s and 1990s (before I was attacked and lost my right eye on 12/1/1999), there was no Internet (or at least I did not participate in any Internet discussions). I started to dabble in Internet discussions around 2005 (https://github.com/keean/zenscript/issues/27#issuecomment-304210354).

What I have learned during this illness when I spent a lot of time exploring, learning, and discussing on the Internet, is that it is a valuable activity for gaining awareness and information, but it is a horrible activity for coding productivity. So to mix the two is not good.

Also it has helped for me to learn the importance of posting more judiciously and with more careful thought about writing positively (https://github.com/keean/zenscript/issues/13#issuecomment-303978044) and just not post if it would be negative and/or if it is not that important. We can not discuss every minutiae (minute detail) with others and expect to get any productivity in our own work. Our minds move much faster than we can communicate. Which is precisely why the Mythical Man Month exists and why the future is Inverse Commons (open source and everyone thinks on their own and contributes to a commons which improves and does not have a tragedy-of-the-commons).

Fungible money was important for aggregating economies-of-scale during the fungible mass production age (agriculture and factories). They are winner-take-all paradigms. Bitnet and Inverse Commons are about individualized production.

Quote from: shelby 27 May., 2:38 am
But yeah it has been very helpful to observe how you communicate positively and thinking about how I can handle discussion with different personalities (https://github.com/keean/zenscript/issues/13#issuecomment-303978044).

The key is reduce (especially PUBLIC) posting and think a lot before posting something. If it is not valuable enough to put enough time into thinking out carefully (and thinking about the potential pitfalls of the people in the discussion), then do not post on that issue. Every PUBLIC post is a liability that has a cost. They are not free. So I must budget my public posts more carefully.

That is not for judging others. It is a diverse world. Everyone should be free to do it their own way, because we need diversity. So when I communicate, I need to think more about the liability, costs, and pitfalls, and not blame nature for being a snake pit of diversity that can suck up order into disorder. The Second Law of Thermodynamics requires it to be so. Order is not anti-fragile, thus the less of it we require, then the more conducive our activities to the trend of maximum entropy. In other words, be like water in the sense of not creating unnecessary burdens, not by doubling-down on a clusterfuck as @Skalpell demanded (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18881605#msg18881605), but by not participating in the clusterfuck.

Quote from: shelby 27 May., 4:22 am
And if we sell any of the smallish premine on exchanges (maybe our own decentralized exchange per my discussion with @miscreanity last month), those are fungible, unlocked tokens. We can just sit on the Ask for the volume rate which we need to sell to meet our expenses. Those investors who are astute will be buying when it is under the radar and underpriced. So gradually onboarded tokens will become free trading (unlocked) so they can also be traded on exchanges. But locked up tokens can still be transferred, i.e. spent to app devs, they just are not fungible for exchange trading.

In other words, we do not stop the locked tokens (awarded to users in return for the activity to encourage onboarding) from being transferred, but they can not appear as transaction inputs with other tokens that have a different lock period. We might also limit the rate at which locked up tokens can be transferred, so that they can be transferred in smallish amounts for spending to app devs, but not viable for exchanging in bulk.

Once the lock period expires, the tokens are free trading and fully fungible.

The entire point is that onboarded users can not just join and then sell their tokens too fast. They can spend them for apps and other services on Bitnet (providing revenue to encourage more apps and developers), and they also see the tokens rising in value over time (their balance growing), thus they learn to value the tokens and not cash out. It is sort of a teach by forced experience. I can imagine some users leaving and forgeting about it, then later realizing it has become valuable and coming back. A form of long-term stickiness.

Quote from: anonymous 27 May., 4:28 am
you have been thinking this non stop for the last years, and it shows.. if you had rushed something way earlier it probably wouln't have been the success Bitnet has a real chance to be

your plan has multiple attributes feeding each other into a positive cycle, like onboarding, if it goes viral, app devs will find the large audience irresistable, and the more and better apps there will be the more people will spend the tokens within th ecosystem and tell their friends etc

but it can also be a chicken-egg problem, hopefully it's gonna be the former :)

Quote from: shelby 27 May., 4:45 am
Yes it would have been worse if I had rushed. But I could not rush. I was really ill. In hindsight, I was much more ill than perhaps you realize.

The hen-egg problem resolves itself if you have something that the participants need. I am creating a decentralized foundation on which others can build without the problems of centralized systems. I think a wealth of advantages will percolate out of it. I am an idea machine, so I will just keep adding features and advantages and eventually it will gain traction. The long-term quality product wins in the end. But obviously we must launch something within this year, else we are getting too late.

Quote from: shelby 27 May., 6:10 am
Decentralization is the theme of the coming global transformation given the developing short dollar vortex (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1913408.msg19041785#msg19041785) will drive safe haven capital stampeding into the USA with the 40+ year sovereign bond bubble peaking in 2018 (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/markets-by-sector/interest-rates/interest-rate-up-bond-up/) and ensuing waterfall collapse, devolution of the West accelerates next year and then the civil war in the USA and collapse starts in 2022 (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/europes-current-economy/catalonia-to-separate-from-spain/) with Asia’s coming flash crash (http://carnegieendowment.org/chinafinancialmarkets/64825) bottoming in 2020. By 2032, Shanghai and Singapore will replace (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/understanding-cycles/financial-capitol-of-the-world-its-migration/) (see also (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/china/xi-jinping-see-a-change-in-the-world-in-10-years/)) New York and London as the financial capitals (centers) of the world.


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Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: jbreher on May 27, 2017, 02:09:11 AM
Farewell to BCT with this final post. Follows a summary of wisdom (re-)gained.

Quote from: shelby 27 May., 2:18 am
Just this week at the 4th of the 6 month antibiotic treatment for my 6+ year disseminated (e.g. gut, lymph nodes, brain, lungs) Tuberculosis infection, has my health improved such that I can function normally in work and daily intense athletics without crashing. I want to code and think about code only. This speculative trading and Internet discussions activity is a huge distraction that will destroy my focus on the Bitnet project if I do not cease it. That would be damn shame.

Quote from: shelby 27 May., 2:15 am
So to K.I.S.S. principle (https://github.com/keean/zenscript/issues/27#issuecomment-304210354), I am remaining in BTC and if LTC drops to 0.009 (https://www.tradingview.com/x/Ij4xncZf/), then I will buy. I have no strong compelling reason I must buy here at 0.0115. I need to not lose money, more than I need to make money. My BTC is for my expenses so I can focus on my programming and complete Bitnet pronto. And I need my regular sleeping patterns, not being slave to staring at a trading screen.

The hypothesis since April 2 was that in 2013 LTC had to move towards 0.03 then 0.05 in April and November, in order for BTC to start moving towards a significant new ATH. When LTC caught up at 0.05 in November, then BTC crashed and we entered a 3 year winter. Why wouldn’t that pattern repeat (http://i.imgur.com/gOnzJfq.png). Remember the majority is always wrong. If everybody is afraid LTC will crash (and BTC has peaked), then LTC will not crash and BTC has not peaked. When everyone starts thinking BTC to $10,000 or $100,000, that is when BTC has peaked at perhaps $4000. Just remember that any linear increase in blocksize such as 2MB + SegWit (https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-price-hits-2150-following-rapid-progress-in-segwit-scaling-talks) does not resolve nor stop the exponentially rising transaction fees which will force everyone off chain (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18859434#msg18859434), and even SegWit enables Lightning Networks which places more demand for on chain transactions for settlement of off chain centralized Mt. Box aggregators (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5r6l2v/lightning_network_security_concern_and_bitcoin/dgte8fl/?context=5) who will easily afford to pay $60,000 per transaction fees. Every blockchain consensus technology to date is winner-take-all political struggle of the whales (https://cointelegraph.com/news/dirty-politics-responsible-for-confirmation-queues-on-bitcoin-blockchain). And we have a Dot.com-like ICO bubble that will probably also soon burst (https://medium.com/@josh_nussbaum/the-ico-bubble-6cadefaf8cbc). Are we really surprised that the recent scalability agreement is not a panacea (http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-new-scaling-agreement-reaction/) and thus BTC price is not going to the moon in a straight line.

Quote from: shelby 27 May., 4:30 am
The main impediment was the illness. You could research what chronic illness does to a human. You really have no way to understand it. Imagine you had to spend the next 6 years inside a barrel of oil with a breathing tube.

Try to code drunk with someone punching you in the stomach while working and get food poisoning also. Something like that describes my condition before these antibiotics. The high dose vitamin d3 would give me enough hormones to fight through a 2 hour workout, but the crashing after it was like my first sentence. I am not exaggerating. It was really horrible. My intense desire not to fail somehow super-willed me to get some work done, but when I remember working in that chronic illness condition, I shudder.

That is 100% truth.

That description didn't really accurately describe the malaise though. It is like you are asleep and can't not wake up. And very bad feeling in your head and body. And feel so fatigue can not hold your eyes open, but if you lay down you can not sleep either. I really can not describe it well. Until you have experience it, you can not know the feeling.

The feeling is so horrible. You just wish it would end. You wish you could just sleep and never wake up (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1070773/). I need to think about how to describe it with words such that someone could visualize the feelings.

Unlike in a normal health, we enjoy being awake. We feel interested to do things.

During my 6+ year sickness or especially the last 2 - 3 years, doing anything (including doing nothing) was so horrible and difficult. You just want it to all end.

The only thing I could do was fight and try to be productive so as to try to not think about it, but it is nearly impossible to ignore it. Ah I really can not describe it. Just so very thankful I am feeling better, even if I still have a little bit of the symptoms remaining.

Quote from: anonymous 27 May., 4:33 am
yeah I remember those moments you had lost the hope and were talking about just starting to run somewhere and run until you die, can't really imagine what it was like

if you didn't have your athletic spirit and talent you wouldnt' be here today, I'm certain

when someone is sick normally with fever or stomach flu or even has a hangover, the knowledge that it'll be over in a few hours or days makes it bearable.. but if there's no hope that tomorrow will be any better, then... well let's just say I'm happy I haven't had to experience it!

Quote from: shelby 27 May., 4:37 am
Yeah sort of like that!

But now I wake up and I am interested to do things. I am enjoying life mostly.  Still some symptoms but not so continuously and not so horrible. Just slight.

Quote from: anonymous 27 May., 2:19 am
It certainly would be. Do you feel your stance on discussion has changed for the better? Has it been helping at all?

Quote from: shelby 27 May., 2:26 am
When I was a very productive programmer in the 1980s and 1990s (before I was attacked and lost my right eye on 12/1/1999), there was no Internet (or at least I did not participate in any Internet discussions). I started to dabble in Internet discussions around 2005 (https://github.com/keean/zenscript/issues/27#issuecomment-304210354).

What I have learned during this illness when I spent a lot of time exploring, learning, and discussing on the Internet, is that it is a valuable activity for gaining awareness and information, but it is a horrible activity for coding productivity. So to mix the two is not good.

Also it has helped for me to learn the importance of posting more judiciously and with more careful thought about writing positively (https://github.com/keean/zenscript/issues/13#issuecomment-303978044) and just not post if it would be negative and/or if it is not that important. We can not discuss every minutiae (minute detail) with others and expect to get any productivity in our own work. Our minds move much faster than we can communicate. Which is precisely why the Mythical Man Month exists and why the future is Inverse Commons (open source and everyone thinks on their own and contributes to a commons which improves and does not have a tragedy-of-the-commons).

Fungible money was important for aggregating economies-of-scale during the fungible mass production age (agriculture and factories). They are winner-take-all paradigms. Bitnet and Inverse Commons are about individualized production.

Quote from: shelby 27 May., 2:38 am
But yeah it has been very helpful to observe how you communicate positively and thinking about how I can handle discussion with different personalities (https://github.com/keean/zenscript/issues/13#issuecomment-303978044).

The key is reduce (especially PUBLIC) posting and think a lot before posting something. If it is not valuable enough to put enough time into thinking out carefully (and thinking about the potential pitfalls of the people in the discussion), then do not post on that issue. Every PUBLIC post is a liability that has a cost. They are not free. So I must budget my public posts more carefully.

That is not for judging others. It is a diverse world. Everyone should be free to do it their own way, because we need diversity. So when I communicate, I need to think more about the liability, costs, and pitfalls, and not blame nature for being a snake pit of diversity that can suck up order into disorder. The Second Law of Thermodynamics requires it to be so. Order is not anti-fragile, thus the less of it we require, then the more conducive our activities to the trend of maximum entropy. In other words, be like water in the sense of not creating unnecessary burdens, not by doubling-down on a clusterfuck as @Skalpell demanded (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18881605#msg18881605), but by not participating in the clusterfuck.

Quote from: shelby 27 May., 4:22 am
And if we sell any of the smallish premine on exchanges (maybe our own decentralized exchange per my discussion with @miscreanity last month), those are fungible, unlocked tokens. We can just sit on the Ask for the volume rate which we need to sell to meet our expenses. Those investors who are astute will be buying when it is under the radar and underpriced. So gradually onboarded tokens will become free trading (unlocked) so they can also be traded on exchanges. But locked up tokens can still be transferred, i.e. spent to app devs, they just are not fungible for exchange trading.

In other words, we do not stop the locked tokens (awarded to users in return for the activity to encourage onboarding) from being transferred, but they can not appear as transaction inputs with other tokens that have a different lock period. We might also limit the rate at which locked up tokens can be transferred, so that they can be transferred in smallish amounts for spending to app devs, but not viable for exchanging in bulk.

Once the lock period expires, the tokens are free trading and fully fungible.

The entire point is that onboarded users can not just join and then sell their tokens too fast. They can spend them for apps and other services on Bitnet (providing revenue to encourage more apps and developers), and they also see the tokens rising in value over time (their balance growing), thus they learn to value the tokens and not cash out. It is sort of a teach by forced experience. I can imagine some users leaving and forgeting about it, then later realizing it has become valuable and coming back. A form of long-term stickiness.

Quote from: anonymous 27 May., 4:28 am
you have been thinking this non stop for the last years, and it shows.. if you had rushed something way earlier it probably wouln't have been the success Bitnet has a real chance to be

your plan has multiple attributes feeding each other into a positive cycle, like onboarding, if it goes viral, app devs will find the large audience irresistable, and the more and better apps there will be the more people will spend the tokens within th ecosystem and tell their friends etc

but it can also be a chicken-egg problem, hopefully it's gonna be the former :)

Quote from: shelby 27 May., 4:45 am
Yes it would have been worse if I had rushed. But I could not rush. I was really ill. In hindsight, I was much more ill than perhaps you realize.

The hen-egg problem resolves itself if you have something that the participants need. I am creating a decentralized foundation on which others can build without the problems of centralized systems. I think a wealth of advantages will percolate out of it. I am an idea machine, so I will just keep adding features and advantages and eventually it will gain traction. The long-term quality product wins in the end. But obviously we must launch something within this year, else we are getting too late.

Quote from: shelby 27 May., 6:10 am
Decentralization is the theme of the coming global transformation given the short dollar vortex (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1913408.msg19041785#msg19041785) driving safe haven capital stampeded into the USA with the 40+ year sovereign bond bubble peaking in 2018 (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/markets-by-sector/interest-rates/interest-rate-up-bond-up/) and ensuing waterfall collapse, devolution of the West accelerates next year and then the civil war in the USA and collapse starts in 2022 (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/europes-current-economy/catalonia-to-separate-from-spain/) with Asia’s coming flash crash (http://carnegieendowment.org/chinafinancialmarkets/64825) bottoming in 2020. By 2032, Shanghai and Singapore will replace (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/understanding-cycles/financial-capitol-of-the-world-its-migration/) (see also (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/china/xi-jinping-see-a-change-in-the-world-in-10-years/)) New York and London as the financial capitals (centers) of the world.


(Philippines standard time is GMT+0700)

...for posterity's sake


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Spoetnik on May 30, 2017, 05:23:44 AM
So i read the start of this page and i see "so i thought i was done"
Yup.. you are "leaving" *again* ...after being banned again ..blaming others for YOUR actions.  ::)
Remember your grand farewell topic after they banned one of your other accounts ?

Shelby you are an arrogant & stubborn self-professed "genius".

You said on the previous page what your "responsibility is"

Your responsibility is pretty simple.. follow the fucking rules  :D
You have posted on this topic endlessly you feel you are exempt.. because your smarter ?
Well..
If that was the case you would be able to still post what you want to say and still be within the rules
or within the extensive leeway the staff have given you here for years.

Are you forgetting they have extended a vast amount of patience to you here ?
Where is your gratitude ?
theymos himself says he may be willing to unban you if you say you learned your lesson.
So what do you do ?
You ran here running your mouth like a massive arrogant prick.. biting at anyone that does not agree with you.

I don't think you are as smart as you claim to be bud.  ::)
Or you wouldn't have a pile of accounts banned..
And you also have never understood WHY they fucking banned you.
For example..
You claimed they banned you for "Ethereum FUD".
If that was the case don't you think i would have been banned too ?  ;D  8)

WHY ..is the reason you are banned in the first place Shelby.
It's not what you did.. but the fact you never head warnings and push on breaking rules.
You were banned because you did not UNDERSTAND the rule and that you broke it.
Your never ending excuses are irrelevant.

They did not ban you because you slipped up and broke a rule ONCE.
You are banned because you are being a petulant little child who thinks he is exempt to following rules.
You are banned Again.. because they are trying to send you a message THAT YOU DO NOT COMPREHEND in your infinite "genius"  ::)

You spew a lot of bullshit bud.
You seem to see what you want in your own imaginary made up NWO agenda world.
You get banned for breaking extremely specific rules then in your mind you blame some other spooky / kooky little agenda.
For someone who struts around as the leading genius (exempt to rules) on here you have a horrendous grasp on reality and COMPREHENSION.

Grow up and accept responsibility for your actions.
You are acting like a fucking brat.

They banned you because YOU broke the rules and then forced their hand.
They let you get away with tons of shit and you pushed them until the breaking point.
Then you want to rail on about NWO agenda's and your gifts to theymos etc on and on ?
I think your "gift" to theymos would be to quit being a fucking pain in the ass ROFL  :D

You claimed this site should not function as it does and it should be run "better".
be that as it may.. you clicked agree to the TOS when you created your numerous accounts.
Did you read what you AGREED to ?

Anyway.. i have not always been on the best footing with mprep etc.
But i do think these guys are just trying to do their job and retain order.
And WHY would they be doing this ?
You can see that in the topic in this section i am going to create RIGHT NOW !




EDIT:

I Posted a topic pointing out there is now 1 million accounts here registered.
Implying it is a lot of work to moderate.
And it shouldn't be a rule system based on your arrogant attitude or IQ.

Take the multi posting rule..
Shelby thinks he's exempt from that rule because his comments are higher quality.
So he feels he is entitled to side step the rule he knows he's breaking.

Did Satoshi have to keep getting banned?

Like what the fuck is the problem?
Say you are sorry and agree to stop violating those key rules mentioned and move on.
Why is this even an issue?

Shelby 90% of us would not even get a 2nd consideration from the boss.. But you did.
And turned your nose up at it.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Traxo on May 31, 2017, 11:28:19 AM

And it shouldn't be a rule system based on your arrogant attitude or IQ.

Take the multi posting rule..
Shelby thinks he's exempt from that rule because his comments are higher quality.
So he feels he is entitled to side step the rule he knows he's breaking.

Like what the fuck is the problem?
Say you are sorry and agree to stop violating those key rules mentioned and move on.
Why is this even an issue?

Shelby 90% of us would not even get a 2nd consideration from the boss.. But you did.
And turned your nose up at it.

You should read the whole thread.
(if you actually read it - your prior post wouldn't exist)


Title: I can't stand snarky quote-tard's
Post by: Spoetnik on June 01, 2017, 08:54:49 PM
Or you could have avoided an abused function (the quote feature) and typed out an explanation.

You know how fed up i am listening to lippy one-liners with huge massive quotes i have to scroll past ?
And who the hell are you noob ? I know the guy, i have been dealing with him for years.

And get this.. read what, mprep said then read his info about a parting gift.
Yup he violated the ban evasion rule by sending theymos coin design info etc.

He REALLY doesn't understand what is going on around him.. he's fucked in the head consumed with his smug ego and self entitlement and his grand-standing bullshit multi quoted super rants.

He's made a career out of hanging out here posting HUGE self-quotes back to back.

News Flash you piss all over the rules long term deliberately they will ban you.. no matter how much of a big shot you think you are.

Quote that assholes LOL


Title: Re: Exchanger
Post by: Traxo on June 01, 2017, 10:44:43 PM
Or you could have avoided an abused function (the quote feature) and typed out an explanation.
You know how fed up i am listening to lippy one-liners with huge massive quotes i have to scroll past ?

I know the guy, i have been dealing with him for years.

Meh, I merely quoted small part of your post.
Explanation is quite long, so no tl;dr for you today :/ sorry.
Your post is really huge so cba to quote every single line and then find a post where he explained things that you question etc.

C'mon, give it a shot (you can read his posts only anyway - contains quotes so I think you wont get lost).
It's an interesting thread (you should know, since you know him so well) :)

you noob ?

Oh please, I'm Jr. Member!!1! show some respect  :'(


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: wiked1 on June 05, 2017, 10:29:34 PM
Did he get banned again  ???


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: criptix on June 05, 2017, 10:32:50 PM
Did he get banned again  ???

And this time it really seems that he is not gonna come back.

Kinda missing his walls of text  :-\


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: wiked1 on June 05, 2017, 10:48:13 PM
Did he get banned again  ???

And this time it really seems that he is not gonna come back.

Kinda missing his walls of text  :-\

He's on steemit and I think thats his github https://github.com/shelby3


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: statdude on July 01, 2017, 12:39:14 AM
anyone communicated with him?



Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: European Central Bank on July 01, 2017, 01:13:00 AM
He's been sending me pms. I assume they're not directly addressed to me as I have zero technical knowledge.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: iTradeChips on July 01, 2017, 01:24:12 AM
He's been sending me pms. I assume they're not directly addressed to me as I have zero technical knowledge.


i miss the guy. what is he up to these days? how about that much-awaited BitNet project of his? I did get some PMs from him too the past few weeks because I am one of those who followed his predictions on LTC. I hope he is well these days and return here because many people love reading his posts


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: statdude on July 01, 2017, 03:40:33 AM
He's been sending me pms. I assume they're not directly addressed to me as I have zero technical knowledge.


i miss the guy. what is he up to these days? how about that much-awaited BitNet project of his? I did get some PMs from him too the past few weeks because I am one of those who followed his predictions on LTC. I hope he is well these days and return here because many people love reading his posts

What are his predictions on LTC? That's the main reason i'm trying to reach him. please pm


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Last of the V8s on July 01, 2017, 07:00:17 AM
He's been sending me pms. I assume they're not directly addressed to me as I have zero technical knowledge.


i miss the guy. what is he up to these days? how about that much-awaited BitNet project of his? I did get some PMs from him too the past few weeks because I am one of those who followed his predictions on LTC. I hope he is well these days and return here because many people love reading his posts

What are his predictions on LTC? That's the main reason i'm trying to reach him. please pm
quite active on pms, also quite ill. nothing recent re ltc afaik sorry
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=991868;sa=showPosts something something smartphones


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: dwgscale11 on July 27, 2017, 01:13:03 PM
AnonyMint is active, and has some interesting things to say

https://steemit.com/money/@anonymint/re-blockchainttmft-re-anonymint-re-frankswi-re-anonymint-get-ready-for-a-world-currency-20170726t181729199z


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: wiked1 on August 02, 2017, 10:27:24 PM
How is he these days?Any new threads??


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: theheolyn on August 06, 2017, 12:30:47 AM
How is he these days?Any new threads??

His health has much improved, he's busy working, you may find some hints about that on his GitHub account, and his last (very interesting) blogs threads on Steemit (some of which have been quoted above)! He'll probably be less active on blogging and more on coding for a while as of now.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: kennyP on August 12, 2017, 11:11:22 AM
How is he these days?Any new threads??

His health has much improved, he's busy working, you may find some hints about that on his GitHub account, and his last (very interesting) blogs threads on Steemit (some of which have been quoted above)! He'll probably be less active on blogging and more on coding for a while as of now.

Anonymint's analysis is getting even better lately, you can tell his health is improving, it's a shame he was banned from this forum just at the time when new crypto users need access to quality information and opinions.

Another great thought provoking article,

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/is-monero-s-or-all-anonymity-broken


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: CRED.me on January 24, 2018, 06:08:34 AM
He was singled out by gangsters who have competing altcoin projects because they didn’t like his analysis which pointed out the flaws in their projects. Let’s see if he attempts to ban those who make criticisms of his project or if he addresses criticisms rationally and factually, admitting any lapses or errors (https://medium.com/@shelby_78386/thanks-for-the-correction-cbe6d29e83ac). And singled out by some of the mods who don’t like a person who is confident. Also he was attempting to cross-link from the numerous duplicate threads on similar topics, in order to help readers gain some coherency of issues. The link above to Meta contains all the details for any readers who want to judge for themselves. Reviewing the link to Meta above, you were offended by his very profitable analysis about SegWit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2259054.msg28347086#msg28347086), which is presumably why you started attacking him personally (rather than debating the facts about SegWit, BCH, etc). You’re focused on his personality traits (and frankly picking on a man who was incredibly ill with Tuberculosis and MRI-confirmed cysts all over his liver, spleen, and kidney causing delirium and massive fatigue and so I hope you’re proud of your statements about his lack of productivity), not on his technical arguments and capabilities. I hope that works out as well for you, as his capabilities have worked out for him. The proof is in the pudding Sir.

(note as for the picking on a man who he was gravely ill, then telling him “despite the fact he's a grown man responsible for his own actions”, that’s not very masculine. If you’re really AnonyMint’s elder, then you shouldn’t be talking smack, because much elder than him is when men decline significantly in all athletic metrics. I mean you don’t see Lebron James talking smack and then not showing up face-to-face to test his masculinity. It’s analogous to not being very masculine to pick on crippled kids instead of other men who are at your competitive level. IOW, grow up and stop the feminine bitching/trolling from behind the safety of the Internet. As @r0ach explained (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=495527.msg28481914#msg28481914), that is what females do is run away and hide while the men fight to death to see which man can go impregnate her. Men talk for analyzing and to do important actions.)

The forum has some “know-it-alls” who are flippantly offended by expertise (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2374729.msg28738404#msg28738404), without first doing their own research to confirm their often erroneous, presumptuous flippant judgments. And gangsters who for example use a person’s chronic illness(es) to attack a person’s reputation, expertise, and skill level. Whatever.

In any case, the point remains there will be no direct communication here because of that outcome. Let it rest, can’t you? If we could, we would close this thread, because its underhanded to ban someone then continue a derogatory thread where he can no longer defend himself.

AnonyMint is not the victim. He is the victor. I’m just responding to @d5000 about why there will not be official updates on this subforum where a certain mod runs the show.

And congratulations for yet again managing to destroy productivity by inciting a necessarily long-winded, detailed rebuttal. You’re so expert at that. Which is yet another reason to not have official communications here where the moderation and curation features are not sufficiently sophisticated and decentralized (i.e. a self-moderated thread is not objective, but an unmoderated thread has no curation, and that is why AnonyMint proposed a better alternative in Meta which he is now implementing). In a decentralized moderation/curation paradigm, I would simply mark your uselessly inflammatory/truculent post as unproductive and then everyone that trusts my curation decisions would not by default see your post. They could still turn off the filter if they wanted to see all the noise and check to make sure they still trust my curation decisions. And no one would be required to choose me as their curation filter. And then the math/algorithm for making those choices automatic. There are 100s of more good ideas like that in AnonyMint’s brain.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Viper1 on January 24, 2018, 07:06:32 PM
He was singled out by gangsters who have competing altcoin projects because they didn’t like his analysis which pointed out the flaws in their projects. Let’s see if he attempts to ban those who make criticisms of his project or if he addresses criticisms rationally and factually, admitting any lapses or errors (https://medium.com/@shelby_78386/thanks-for-the-correction-cbe6d29e83ac). And singled out by some of the mods who don’t like a person who is confident. Also he was attempting to cross-link from the numerous duplicate threads on similar topics, in order to help readers gain some coherency of issues. The link above to Meta contains all the details for any readers who want to judge for themselves. Reviewing the link to Meta above, you were offended by his very profitable analysis about SegWit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2259054.msg28347086#msg28347086), which is presumably why you started attacking him personally (rather than debating the facts about SegWit, BCH, etc). You’re focused on his personality traits (and frankly picking on a man who was incredibly ill with Tuberculosis and MRI-confirmed cysts all over his liver, spleen, and kidney causing delirium and massive fatigue and so I hope you’re proud of your statements about his lack of productivity), not on his technical arguments and capabilities. I hope that works out as well for you, as his capabilities have worked out for him. The proof is in the pudding Sir.

(note as for the picking on a man who he was gravely ill, then telling him “despite the fact he's a grown man responsible for his own actions”, that’s not very masculine. If you’re really AnonyMint’s elder, then you shouldn’t be talking smack, because much elder than him is when men decline significantly in all athletic metrics. I mean you don’t see Lebron James talking smack and then not showing up face-to-face to test his masculinity. It’s analogous to not being very masculine to pick on crippled kids instead of other men who are at your competitive level. IOW, grow up and stop the feminine bitching/trolling from behind the safety of the Internet. As @r0ach explained (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=495527.msg28481914#msg28481914), that is what females do is run away and hide while the men fight to death to see which man can go impregnate her. Men talk for analyzing and to do important actions.)

The forum has some “know-it-alls” who are flippantly offended by expertise (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2374729.msg28738404#msg28738404), without first doing their own research to confirm their often erroneous, presumptuous flippant judgments. And gangsters who for example use a person’s chronic illness(es) to attack a person’s reputation, expertise, and skill level. Whatever.

In any case, the point remains there will be no direct communication here because of that outcome. Let it rest, can’t you? If we could, we would close this thread, because its underhanded to ban someone then continue a derogatory thread where he can no longer defend himself.

AnonyMint is not the victim. He is the victor. I’m just responding to @d5000 about why there will not be official updates on this subforum where a certain mod runs the show.

And congratulations for yet again managing to destroy productivity by inciting a necessarily long-winded, detailed rebuttal. You’re so expert at that. Which is yet another reason to not have official communications here where the moderation and curation features are not sufficiently sophisticated and decentralized (i.e. a self-moderated thread is not objective, but an unmoderated thread has no curation, and that is why AnonyMint proposed a better alternative in Meta which he is now implementing). In a decentralized moderation/curation paradigm, I would simply mark your uselessly inflammatory/truculent post as unproductive and then everyone that trusts my curation decisions would not by default see your post. They could still turn off the filter if they wanted to see all the noise and check to make sure they still trust my curation decisions. And no one would be required to choose me as their curation filter. And then the math/algorithm for making those choices automatic. There are 100s of more good ideas like that in AnonyMint’s brain.
Lol. After reading some of "your' posts it's clear you're trying to avoid your ban again. Good luck that with.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: mprep on January 24, 2018, 07:13:23 PM
He was singled out by gangsters who have competing altcoin projects because they didn’t like his analysis which pointed out the flaws in their projects. Let’s see if he attempts to ban those who make criticisms of his project or if he addresses criticisms rationally and factually, admitting any lapses or errors (https://medium.com/@shelby_78386/thanks-for-the-correction-cbe6d29e83ac). And singled out by some of the mods who don’t like a person who is confident. Also he was attempting to cross-link from the numerous duplicate threads on similar topics, in order to help readers gain some coherency of issues. The link above to Meta contains all the details for any readers who want to judge for themselves. Reviewing the link to Meta above, you were offended by his very profitable analysis about SegWit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2259054.msg28347086#msg28347086), which is presumably why you started attacking him personally (rather than debating the facts about SegWit, BCH, etc). You’re focused on his personality traits (and frankly picking on a man who was incredibly ill with Tuberculosis and MRI-confirmed cysts all over his liver, spleen, and kidney causing delirium and massive fatigue and so I hope you’re proud of your statements about his lack of productivity), not on his technical arguments and capabilities. I hope that works out as well for you, as his capabilities have worked out for him. The proof is in the pudding Sir.

(note as for the picking on a man who he was gravely ill, then telling him “despite the fact he's a grown man responsible for his own actions”, that’s not very masculine. If you’re really AnonyMint’s elder, then you shouldn’t be talking smack, because much elder than him is when men decline significantly in all athletic metrics. I mean you don’t see Lebron James talking smack and then not showing up face-to-face to test his masculinity. It’s analogous to not being very masculine to pick on crippled kids instead of other men who are at your competitive level. IOW, grow up and stop the feminine bitching/trolling from behind the safety of the Internet. As @r0ach explained (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=495527.msg28481914#msg28481914), that is what females do is run away and hide while the men fight to death to see which man can go impregnate her. Men talk for analyzing and to do important actions.)

The forum has some “know-it-alls” who are flippantly offended by expertise (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2374729.msg28738404#msg28738404), without first doing their own research to confirm their often erroneous, presumptuous flippant judgments. And gangsters who for example use a person’s chronic illness(es) to attack a person’s reputation, expertise, and skill level. Whatever.

In any case, the point remains there will be no direct communication here because of that outcome. Let it rest, can’t you? If we could, we would close this thread, because its underhanded to ban someone then continue a derogatory thread where he can no longer defend himself.

AnonyMint is not the victim. He is the victor. I’m just responding to @d5000 about why there will not be official updates on this subforum where a certain mod runs the show.

And congratulations for yet again managing to destroy productivity by inciting a necessarily long-winded, detailed rebuttal. You’re so expert at that. Which is yet another reason to not have official communications here where the moderation and curation features are not sufficiently sophisticated and decentralized (i.e. a self-moderated thread is not objective, but an unmoderated thread has no curation, and that is why AnonyMint proposed a better alternative in Meta which he is now implementing). In a decentralized moderation/curation paradigm, I would simply mark your uselessly inflammatory/truculent post as unproductive and then everyone that trusts my curation decisions would not by default see your post. They could still turn off the filter if they wanted to see all the noise and check to make sure they still trust my curation decisions. And no one would be required to choose me as their curation filter. And then the math/algorithm for making those choices automatic. There are 100s of more good ideas like that in AnonyMint’s brain.
Lol. After reading some of "your' posts it's clear you're trying to avoid your ban again. Good luck that with.

I already banned his new alt for repeated ban evasion. Despite the fact that on multiple occasions he has stated that he will never ever post on this wretched forum again, he continues to create new accounts, attempting to circumvent his ban while spitting out long winded, masturbatory rants. He's so addicted to attention that can't hold back.



If you're reading anonymint, how about you stop deepthroating yourself so hard and stick to what you promised - never coming back here again and working on your own projects.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Traxo on January 25, 2018, 08:53:32 PM
I already banned his new alt

however, you can't ban a hacker, lol.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Traxo on July 13, 2018, 04:11:21 PM
anunymint got banned (again). It seems this was his 2nd acc. Dude was evading his ban lol. I wonder what was the reason for his 1st ban...

Was it plagiarism?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18861383#msg18861383

Excessive multi posting followed by excessive ban evasion in that case. Probably the same now.

What the fuck is wrong with forum..its a cesspit of shit posters and third world bounty whore posters. But when a glimmer of intelligent discussion comes from Anonymint aka Shelby Moore he gets deleted. I dont care what he did or who he pissed off. He is probably the last chance this forum holds any relevance into the next stage of crypto. Geeez wept. Whats wrong with you mods?


For the sake of the crypto community let the guy share discuss and argue his points. Ffs

Time to make a new forum don’t you think?

We need a forum that runs on a blockchain and nobody can delete anything. With decentralized moderation, meaning each of us separately can choose which mods we trust to filter content for each of us independent from each other.

It is ridiculous that we in crypto use a CORRUPT, PERMISSIONED, CENTRALIZED forum just like LN is intended to be.

It is so stupid to invest effort into what becomes a booty for CENTRALIZED, CORRUPT mods to steal.


It might be because of the lies and misinformation they were spreading.



CENTRALIZED determination of what is misinformation is the antithesis of our entire decentralized crypto movement.
Bitcointalk is no longer congruent with our movement.
It has become some echo chamber for selling CENTRALIZED, PERMISSIONED, BOOTY calls.


Every post from @anunymint apparently was deleted. The thread is now very difficult to understand because a significant portion of the discussion is missing.
  >:(

Although @anunymint is somewhat harsh and used a bitter language, I've to acknowledge his contribution as being helpful.

Banning users is cruelty but removing their posts? It is slutter.

I got this pm from @mpremp (the supreme leader) regarding my posts being deleted because of quoting @anunymint  :o

Believe it? He has removed my posts because I've quoted @anunymint. I mean what is it? A devious recursive slutter algorithm, run by a bot?

I'm shocked and disappointed, bitcointalk is not the right place for such malicious behaviors, I'll stop posting in here for a while.



Not sure why - I'd love to explain anything and repost my replies as needed.

Because btctalk management is petty beyond belief. Banning is one thing, but deleting posts is a whole other order of extremism reserved for the most petulant (and deleting RESPONSES!). Especially in thoughtful discussions.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: infofront on July 13, 2018, 06:48:55 PM
It's time to unban him.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: criptix on July 13, 2018, 07:04:32 PM
It's time to unban him.

Signed.


Shelby completely stopped posting for several months and accepted his ban until recently.

Imho it is time to unban and let him post here again.


We probaly can all agree that 99% of his posts are top notch content wise and it would be a shame for the whole board to lose him as a community member.


Also I think that he would not mass multipost everywhere again.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: mprep on July 13, 2018, 09:51:18 PM
Anonymint's still banned. Any posts made while one of your accounts is banned is considered ban evasion. If a user gets banned, creates a new account and continues posting (a.k.a. ban evading), I will ban his account and in most cases wipe any posts made during the ban. While wiping over a dozen pages of posts may have been difficult in the past, I've since written up a few scripts to assist me in this task. As for the replies, again, in most cases if a post a user was replying to was deleted, said reply would either be deleted or edited to remove the now deleted content.

Since the guy seems to have an issue with following his own promise(s) of leaving the forum forever, this might give him a reason to work on whatever project he's developing instead of pathetically crawling back to the forum he so despises and continuing to stroke his ego and bark at anyone he disagrees with. If he has changed his mind about the forum and it's rules, he's free to stop ban evading and instead use his newest alt to contact theymos and try to appeal his ban.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Last of the V8s on July 13, 2018, 11:53:46 PM
mprep follows the rules when it suits him^ and breaks them also when it suits him - see his trust.
Inconsistent, shoddy and disingenuous behaviour.

edit/add: here's a link to shelby's recent output in this august space https://web.archive.org/web/20180712225710/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2189580;sa=showPosts


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Traxo on July 14, 2018, 11:32:39 AM
Anonymint's still banned.
While wiping over a dozen pages of posts may have been difficult in the past, I've since written up a few scripts to assist me in this task. As for the replies, again, in most cases if a post a user was replying to was deleted, said reply would either be deleted or edited to remove the now deleted content.

you realize that running those scripts has probably done more damage to others than to him, right?

They participated in valuable discussions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4638321.msg42140348#msg42140348).
And you decide to delete their posts as well? It's even worse than useless because it destroys value.

Perhaps you could try and write some useful scripts in the future?

Any posts made while one of your accounts is banned is considered ban evasion. If a user gets banned, creates a new account and continues posting (a.k.a. ban evading), I will ban his account and in most cases wipe any posts made during the ban.

Besides, you can't really ban him (http://archive.is/BbdKO#selection-247.25-247.93) anyway.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: mprep on July 14, 2018, 11:51:37 AM
Anonymint's still banned.
While wiping over a dozen pages of posts may have been difficult in the past, I've since written up a few scripts to assist me in this task. As for the replies, again, in most cases if a post a user was replying to was deleted, said reply would either be deleted or edited to remove the now deleted content.

you realize that running those scripts has probably done more damage to others than to him, right?

They participated in valuable discussions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4638321.msg42140348#msg42140348).
And you decide to delete their posts as well? It's even worse than useless because it destroys value.

Perhaps you could try and write some useful scripts in the future?

Any posts made while one of your accounts is banned is considered ban evasion. If a user gets banned, creates a new account and continues posting (a.k.a. ban evading), I will ban his account and in most cases wipe any posts made during the ban.

Besides, you can't really ban him (http://archive.is/BbdKO#selection-247.25-247.93) anyway.
The discussions with Anonymint's alts were never meant to take place as per the forum's rules. As for the replies, I've already outlined why they were deleted. If they make sense on their own, the users are free to fetch them from the deletion PMs, edit them and repost them. As for not being able to stop him, I'll quote what I've said previously:

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Try to stop me if you can.  :P You can't.
When it comes to this forum, we'll sure as hell try.



mprep follows the rules when it suits him^ and breaks them also when it suits him - see his trust.
Inconsistent, shoddy and disingenuous behaviour.

edit/add: here's a link to shelby's recent output in this august space https://web.archive.org/web/20180712225710/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2189580;sa=showPosts
What forum rules have I broken? As for the auction extension, you are free to discuss that where it's on-topic - the split thread linked in the Trust feedback. I and many others have expressed their position on the situation so nothing's stopping you from doing the same.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: DooMAD on July 14, 2018, 12:43:36 PM
Besides, you can't really ban him (http://archive.is/BbdKO#selection-247.25-247.93) anyway.
The discussions with Anonymint's alts were never meant to take place as per the forum's rules.

I'm pretty sure you're having a discussion with one of his alts right now.  Maybe in Anonymint's head it's not inconceivable for one of his fans to feel the urge to go to every (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4666014.msg42103848#msg42103848) thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4418987.msg42103668#msg42103668) he (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=27787.msg42103504#msg42103504) posted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4543637.msg42103457#msg42103457) in (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4416188.msg42098934#msg42098934) (and those are just some of them) before he was banned and provide a link to where the posts have been archived.  But back here in the real world, most people would view that as rather suspicious, to say the least.  No one has a greater desire for that unhinged screed to be read than Anonymint himself.  Talk about a turd that won't flush.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Traxo on July 14, 2018, 03:34:56 PM
https://steemit.com/freedom/@anonymint/non-decentralized-forums-are-clusterfucks-of-corruption

(link to Medium blog with the same content will be inserted here)



If they make sense on their own, the users are free to fetch them from the deletion PMs, edit them and repost them.

The users can’t retrieve their posts from the threads where @anunymint wrote the first post in the thread, because  you acknowledged up-thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18846787#msg18846787) that users do not receive notifications of deletions when a moderator nukes an entire thread. Rather users only receive notifications (and copies) of deletions when only individual posts are deleted from a thread, not when the entire thread has been nuked. You admitted this up-thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18846787#msg18846787) and now you contradickT yourself.




I'm pretty sure you're having a discussion with one of his alts right now.

I already told you that my IP address is a well known ISP in Croatia thus verifiably not a VPN:

So we're just supposed to pretend this isn't yet another one of your accounts and you aren't talking about yourself in the third person right now?
The point is that it does not matter who I am. But seriously ask Theymos to check my IP address. How did Shelby transport himself to Croatia while he is simultaneously reading this from his account from an IP address in the Philippines.

He and I are not liars. Do you fantasize that he and decentralization are lone, isolated kooks?

So you’d also cut your dick off because someone pointed at you and yelled rape? God misplaced the discernment module when he conceived you.






 


I am not an administrator, and I don't know every single factor.  

All the factors were enumerated (https://steemit.com/freedom/@anonymint/non-decentralized-forums-are-clusterfucks-of-corruption), but as usual accordingly to your preferred trolling pattern, once again you’re so interested in commenting on issues which you know nothing about and are too lazy to actually research.

so it seems pretty fucking difficult to get banned in this forum

Ostensibly it’s very easy to get banned when you offend many people by writing things that are total alien to their ignorant viewpoints. And then telling them that they are ignorant when the antagonists refuse to research, only after patience is exhausted when the anagonists have made numerous inflammatory and derogatory remarks such as you do.

The decentralized moderation idea Shelby has proposed would make it easy for offended people to Ignore him (even as a group with a shared chosen moderator), but not make it possible to actually erase data that otherwise (here on bitcointalk.org) prevents his circle of peers from having access to their hard work and effort. Not all of us have the same circle of peers. You boys over in the Wall Observer thread like to masturbate with jokes and what not. Shelby prefers serious technical work. You do not understand him and he has no desire to understand you.

Regarding, the supposed substantive importance of anunymint:  I would imagine if he was actually saying something that was so fucking substantively important, then it would either not be deleted or others would be ready, willing and able to say it.. in other words, we are likely not losing much if anything substantively by getting rid of peeps, such as anunymint, who rise to such high level of nonsense to actually get banned from a relatively permissive forum.

Once again there you go again with your generalities commenting about something you know nothing about. I provided you some examples (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg42180120#msg42180120) which exemplify that it can be very damaging to presume the correctness of groupthink.

You pontificate from a position of ignorance. Any domain expert knows that is equivalent to pulling noise out of your asshole. Details matter. Very much. In domain expertise.

You apparently don't understand what is a troll.  You should look in the mirror or look at your fuck buddy, anunymint, as examples of what is a troll. If you spent more time providing good arguments and substance, then perhaps you could get somewhere with your various arguments, instead you and your fuck buddy, anunymint, seem to get caught up on questions of status and personalities.  

Lol, trolling while you "refute" my compliment (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg42182017#msg42182017) that you’re an expert troll. Kudos again!

Maybe you should go suck anunymint's dick, if he has one?

Kudos. Well done. So @anunymint is the one who hurls insults???


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: mprep on July 14, 2018, 10:45:49 PM
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If they make sense on their own, the users are free to fetch them from the deletion PMs, edit them and repost them.

The users can’t retrieve their posts from the threads where @anunymint wrote the first post in the thread, because  you acknowledged up-thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18846787#msg18846787) that users do not receive notifications of deletions when a moderator nukes an entire thread. Rather users only receive notifications (and copies) of deletions when only individual posts are deleted from a thread, not when the entire thread has been nuked. You admitted this up-thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887077.msg18846787#msg18846787) and now you contradickT yourself.

<...>
While I was referring to deletion of posts in non-anunymint threads, yeah, you're right on the anunymint thread posts. If they had posted any substantial content that could stand on it's own with a bit of editing, they're free to ping me via PM and I'll send over the BB code.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: JayJuanGee on July 14, 2018, 11:07:43 PM
I am not an administrator, and I don't know every single factor.  

All the factors were enumerated (https://steemit.com/freedom/@anonymint/non-decentralized-forums-are-clusterfucks-of-corruption), but as usual accordingly to your preferred trolling pattern, once again you’re so interested in commenting on issues which you know nothing about and are too lazy to actually research.

I could give a ratt's ass about reading through the history of anonymint according to his own presentation, unless I were assigned some kind of authority or position with bitcoin talk in which I needed to make some kind of recommendation.. which is not the case.  I have seen some presentations here from admins, such as mprep, that seem perfectly reasonable to me, and I presume that mprep did whatever due diligence research into the anonymint matter.

so it seems pretty fucking difficult to get banned in this forum

Ostensibly it’s very easy to get banned when you offend many people by writing things that are total alien to their ignorant viewpoints.

Has not been my experience.  I have seen some pretty aggressive trolling, shilling and offending in the forum that generally has to cross certain high boundaries before resulting in a ban or a suspension.

And then telling them that they are ignorant when the antagonists refuse to research, only after patience is exhausted when the anagonists have made numerous inflammatory and derogatory remarks such as you do.

What does this have to do with me?  Anonymint needs to figure out his own level of reasonableness, and I saw plenty of unnecessary trolling, irrelevance and provocation from him, so perhaps he needs to work on himself.  Has little to do with me, except that I had a few communications with him, but he seems to have dug his own grave (or whatever you want to call it - he put himself into his own perilous position by going beyond acceptable standards that are forum discretionary.. and there does not seem to be evidence that the forum has been rash in regards to the Anonymint-ban situation)

The decentralized moderation idea Shelby has proposed would make it easy for offended people to Ignore him (even as a group with a shared chosen moderator),

A banned person is not in a very credible position to be presenting forum rules, but of course, theymos and any mods can consider those proposals in either making or enforcing forum rules, to the extent that theymos has given them such authority.  Seems to be quite a bit f discretion in a forum like this concerning making and enforcing rules.

but not make it possible to actually erase data that otherwise (here on bitcointalk.org) prevents his circle of peers from having access to their hard work and effort.

Well, if you are concerned that your work product is going to get erased, then perhaps it would be a good idea to save it in another secure and accessible location.  There do seem to be some recourses for recovering deleted posts with the forum, too, so there is that.

Not all of us have the same circle of peers. You boys over in the Wall Observer thread like to masturbate with jokes and what not. Shelby prefers serious technical work. You do not understand him and he has no desire to understand you.

Well, he is going to have troubles if he does not seem to care about the audience in which he is presenting his ideas.  Therefore, it is probably better that he goes to circles in which he feels appreciated... especially if he has such thin skin.

Regarding, the supposed substantive importance of anunymint:  I would imagine if he was actually saying something that was so fucking substantively important, then it would either not be deleted or others would be ready, willing and able to say it.. in other words, we are likely not losing much if anything substantively by getting rid of peeps, such as anunymint, who rise to such high level of nonsense to actually get banned from a relatively permissive forum.

Once again there you go again with your generalities commenting about something you know nothing about. I provided you some examples (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg42180120#msg42180120) which exemplify that it can be very damaging to presume the correctness of groupthink.

You make little sense with your assertion of "groupthink."

You pontificate from a position of ignorance. Any domain expert knows that is equivalent to pulling noise out of your asshole. Details matter. Very much. In domain expertise.

O.k... you and your butt buddy are very important peeps... And you know a lot too... good for you.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: vapourminer on July 15, 2018, 12:28:23 PM
look, reading and understanding shelbys viewpoints takes a lot of time and homework on the readers part. there are no shortcuts to knowledge. sometimes you just need to put the time in and read the linked info. after all would you just blindly trust someone if he said something with no data to back it up. seems many do but thats not how trustlessness works. you need to show your work when presenting information.

sure many sheep blindly trust with no understanding of the subject (and pay dearly for their folly). but in crypto the whole point is trust is not needed. IOW understand the subject and its workings, dont just assume a particular group is trustworthy and blindly follow them.

shelby never tried to sell anything. he has repeatedly refused my offers of donations, saying to wait till he has a working product.

all he tries to do is help people save their btc investment by pointing out possible problems and to do that he needs to present the data that backs up that veiwpoint. and sure much is technical and the info needed is in many fields.

now sure he can be short, abrupt, and could make a better effort to be polite but reading some of the replies to him, especially those who dont read the links he provides.. well i can see how he could get a bit testy. not making excuses for him, he is who he is.

the laughable part of this ban? there are so many shitposters, scammers taking money, post whores upping their post counts, shillers, sockpuppets etc, they are allowed to stay. but shelby, who shares knowlede, provides interesting insights and conversations, get banned. riiiiiight.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: jbreher on July 15, 2018, 08:32:20 PM
many sheep blindly trust with no understanding of the subject

Word.

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the laughable part of this ban? there are so many shitposters, scammers taking money, post whores upping their post counts, shillers, sockpuppets etc, they are allowed to stay. but shelby, who shares knowlede, provides interesting insights and conversations, get banned. riiiiiight.

WordWord.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: DooMAD on July 15, 2018, 08:50:49 PM
now sure he can be short, abrupt, and could make a better effort to be polite but reading some of the replies to him, especially those who dont read the links he provides.. well i can see how he could get a bit testy. not making excuses for him, he is who he is.

the laughable part of this ban? there are so many shitposters, scammers taking money, post whores upping their post counts, shillers, sockpuppets etc, they are allowed to stay. but shelby, who shares knowlede, provides interesting insights and conversations, get banned. riiiiiight.

How is it beneficial to derail and cross-talk over multiple unrelated threads that contain useful info?  That kind of behaviour is the exact opposite of useful.  If he has to post a load of FUD nonsense about Theftcoin, start a new thread specifically for it and keep all the drivel neatly contained in one place.  I'm sure it would cause tremendous pain to his ego to have a potentially smaller audience reading his tirades, but not everyone appreciates his profound tendency to completely hijack threads.

He has clearly demonstrated the ability to maintain numerous accounts where he chooses not to exhibit this kind of extreme behaviour straight away, so (unless he is a bona fide schizophrenic) it stands to reason he's being this much of an ass deliberately.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Shelby_Moore_III on July 16, 2018, 08:34:10 AM
If he has to post a load of FUD nonsense about Theftcoin, start a new thread specifically for it and keep all the drivel neatly contained in one place.

I tried to keep it all in one thread: Why do some people believe that only the nodes miners run matter? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4416188.msg42098934#msg42098934)

But one of your cohort Core shills @Carlton Banks decided to entirely derail another thread with off-topic trolling about it which forced me to also reply in that thread: BLS signatures (better than Schnorr) (http://archive.is/Ojyin#selection-2065.0-2065.198)

You and your Core shills allege “nonsense” but aren’t able to refute any of my statements. Thus I am of the opinion that y’all are just trolling.

Frankly I am not interested in wasting my time arguing about SegWit with your boyz club tribe. It’s impossible to argue against an irrational religion (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/nature/you-cannot-change-the-mind-of-those-who-believe-in-global-warming-because-it-is-their-religion/). Please do keep your Bitcons in Core addresses that begin with a 3 instead of Satoshi real Bitcoin (http://thebitcoin.foundation/) addresses that begin with a 1, so that you will lose all your real Satoshi protocol BTC. Then you will be gone and worth-less as it should be.

I had clearly explained that Lightning Networks will work fine with Satoshi’s protocol once it centralizes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4638321.msg42110420#msg42110420) as it must because it is a natural monopoly:

Anyway, I think frankly I am not that interested to return. All the smart engineers are gone from bitcointalk.org. There’s no interesting technological discussion any more. Only when I join the threads does anything accurate get spoken these days. For example the current LN thread discussion is incorrect or incomplete (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4638321.msg42191202#msg42191202) ever since @anunymint was nuked from the thread. They do not understand the concept of a natural monopoly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly) and that the liquidity scale is the barrier-to-entry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly#Definition) in LN because users always need to be where the liquidity is as exemplified by exchanges, especially in payment systems because merchants and users don’t want to be stuck and not be able to checkout the shopping cart.

Scale = better service (routing, etc) and higher liquidity

Decentralized exchanges have failed because everyone needs to be where the liquidity is. Much more so for payment systems. When someone can’t route their payment because of insufficient liquidity, both the merchant and the customer lose.

The LN Mt.Gox hubs can then leverage this need into entrenched oligarchies, which can dictate terms to users and merchants. Visa and Mastercard here we come again.

Nothing changes. We are right back where we started from.






While I was referring to deletion of posts in non-anunymint threads, yeah, you're right on the anunymint thread posts. If they had posted any substantial content that could stand on it's own with a bit of editing, they're free to ping me via PM and I'll send over the BB code.

Unfortunately as you know, the affected users received no notification of the deletion so many of the dozens of people affected ostensibly do not know they are and we have no way to contact them because we also do not know who they were. For example, no complete archive was kept for the following two threads and I had some very important posts of mine in these two threads which I can’t reconstruct even on STEEM because I didn’t archive them:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4579834.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4462571.0;all

So I would like to suggest a kind gesture on your part would be send everyone their posts from the above two linked threads, including mine on this account or the banned @anunymint account. Or if you want to just restore those two threads (and no others), that would be even better for me. Or even if you restored them long enough for me to archive them, and the deleted them again, that would also be better for me.






I could give a ratt's ass about reading

Indeed we’ve already established that (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg42182684#msg42182684) you hate details and pontificate layered on top of derogatory ad hominem about all sorts of shit that you know nothing about.

Has not been my experience.  I have seen some pretty aggressive trolling, shilling and offending in the forum that generally has to cross certain high boundaries before resulting in a ban or a suspension.

We’ve already established that (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg42182684#msg42182684) you stay safely within the Wall Observer echo chamber for the most part.

You did not for example refute Gregory Maxwell about CoinJoin and many other such far reaching and more “precarious” endeavors.

Stick your neck out sufficiently before you insinuate that you’ve walked in my shoes.

What does this have to do with me?

I patiently tried to explain. You (and other Core shills) allege that I am an idiot, troll who spreads “nonsense FUD”. So I am not allowed to respond by stating that y’all are the idiot trolls?

The decentralized moderation idea Shelby has proposed would make it easy for offended people to Ignore him (even as a group with a shared chosen moderator),

A banned person is not in a very credible position to be presenting forum rules, but of course, theymos and any mods can consider those proposals in either making or enforcing forum rules, to the extent that theymos has given them such authority.  Seems to be quite a bit f discretion in a forum like this concerning making and enforcing rules.

You’re just one giant inkblot.

Your reading comprehension is so faulty, that you do not even seem to realize I’m not proposing that decentralized moderation idea for bitcointalk.org. It is one of the projects I would like to implement. I’m not demanding changes to bitcointalk.org, although if they want to make some changes I am not against them doing so.

Well, if you are concerned that your work product is going to get erased, then perhaps it would be a good idea to save it in another secure and accessible location.  There do seem to be some recourses for recovering deleted posts with the forum, too, so there is that.

I did archive nearly everything in June, but in July I was so busy posting and other work that I thought maybe the moderators were going to leave me alone so I stopped archiving. Then I made the fatal mistake of making my first post in the Altcoin Discussion forum, which presumably caught @mprep’s (or one of my haters in the Bitcoin Killer thread's) attention. Wham! Nuke! Because archiving is very tedious, sort of like regressing to the sneakernet where we used to carry floppy disks between computers to share data. Every edit of a post then must remember to re-archive.

It’s the antithesis of the automation of computing to manually archive. So sorry once again just a huge inkblot from you.

Do you not understand that time is money. I’m probably worth $150+ an hour as a programmer (now that I’m no longer so ill). Do you know how many hours it takes to reconstruct posts and then where to post them? Reformat from BBcode to Markdown and post at STEEM?

I’m amazed how much time you guys waste in the Wall Observer thread posting nonsense:

Do some of you people get paid to post here?  It's the same retards who can't shut the fuck up.  Stop posting, find a hobby.

Reddit's circlejerkign hugbox is probably better than reading the same three posters ITT

https://i.imgur.com/YM0PKX8.jpg

Even if you’re already wealthy, don’t you have any intellectual or creative pursuits outside of slapstick humor with the boyz. The Wall Observer thread is like boyz who never matured. They’re still into playing pranks with the other boyz. It’s funny for about a day or two. But my lord, you guys have been doing that for how many years?

Therefore, it is probably better that he goes to circles in which he feels appreciated... especially if he has such thin skin.

I did. Even within your Wall Observer echo chamber thread there are several people who appreciate my posts. You ostensibly think the minority doesn’t matter. But remember the minority holds all the wealth, knowledge, and other resources.

You make little sense with your assertion of "groupthink."

Lol. It’s okay snowflake. It’s above your paygrade to understand what cage you are inside.

O.k... you and your butt buddy are very important peeps... And you know a lot too... good for you.

You feel superior to those slobs who didn’t already buy Bitcoin don’t you? Feeling confident?

Other people’s attitudes towards bitcoin now are embarrassing, my girlfriend’s parents & sister don’t have a lot of money. Last year during the big bull run they were jealous AF, asking loads of questions, asking how many I’ve got etc, asking what the fiat value was.

[…]

I have to bite my lip, besides if I cashed in today I’d still have enough to outright buy about 4 houses of the value of the one’s they live in that they’ve got mortgages on.

Peasants!

And then it is going to be so funny and perfectly fit when you lose all your Bitcoins because you were too proud and lazy to understand what I was explaining, then you are right back in the cage with the slobs you were looking down on. I was trying to share my expertise to those who wanted it. I wasn’t forcing it down the throat of sheep.

But that is the way it is. Not much anybody can do to change it.

You Core shills with your “social consensus” and “non-mining nodes matter” delusions remind me of what a friend of mine recently wrote:

Quote from: friend
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-14/elon-musk-told-shove-proposed-cave-solution-his

Lefties love Musk so much, this is a consequence of their personality eternally seeking a savior, a messiah to lead the herd to paradise. Musk, a highly intelligent and malicious man, is playing them big time

The fact that Musk privately does something not only contrary to what he is selling to his public, but ultimately dangerous for his reputation, is indicative that something is fishy with him. This is the same than marxists heavily invested in Bitcoin (there is some Juan Carlos Monedero  -literally "Purse" or "Wallet", in English) who is a leader of a postmodern leftist party, turns out he is heavily invested in Bitcoin (leftists abhor Bitcoin since they are not only willing to give up monetary control to a central authority, but also political and moral control). This private/public life deviation is indicative of sociopathy


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: jbreher on July 16, 2018, 06:05:34 PM
While I was referring to deletion of posts in non-anunymint threads, yeah, you're right on the anunymint thread posts. If they had posted any substantial content that could stand on it's own with a bit of editing, they're free to ping me via PM and I'll send over the BB code.

Unfortunately as you know, the affected users received no notification of the deletion so many of the dozens of people affected ostensibly do not know they are and we have no way to contact them because we also do not know who they were. For example, no complete archive was kept for the following two threads and I had some very important posts of his in these two threads which I can’t reconstruct even on STEEM because I didn’t archive them:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4579834.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4462571.0;all

So I would like to suggest a kind gesture on your part would be send everyone their posts from the above two linked threads, including mine on this account or the banned @anunymint account.

Indeed. It is quite beyond the pale to delete posts of users not running afoul of any posting standards. Offensive, really.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: vapourminer on July 16, 2018, 07:05:19 PM
While I was referring to deletion of posts in non-anunymint threads, yeah, you're right on the anunymint thread posts. If they had posted any substantial content that could stand on it's own with a bit of editing, they're free to ping me via PM and I'll send over the BB code.

Unfortunately as you know, the affected users received no notification of the deletion so many of the dozens of people affected ostensibly do not know they are and we have no way to contact them because we also do not know who they were. For example, no complete archive was kept for the following two threads and I had some very important posts of his in these two threads which I can’t reconstruct even on STEEM because I didn’t archive them:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4579834.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4462571.0;all

So I would like to suggest a kind gesture on your part would be send everyone their posts from the above two linked threads, including mine on this account or the banned @anunymint account.

Indeed. It is quite beyond the pale to delete posts of users not running afoul of any posting standards. Offensive, really.

i second this. this blind nuking of all posts in threads started by someone who gets banned, without regard as to the posts other authors make in reply, does a great disservice to the forum and the (supposedly) unbiased information it stands for.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Shelby_Moore_III on July 16, 2018, 07:31:40 PM
If someone is willing to link or quote this in the LN discussion thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4638321.msg42191202#msg42191202), I suppose that would stimulate the discussion points over there. I guess my last contribution.

I had clearly explained that Lightning Networks will work fine with Satoshi’s protocol once it centralizes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4638321.msg42110420#msg42110420) as it must because it is a natural monopoly:

For example the current LN thread discussion is incorrect or incomplete (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4638321.msg42191202#msg42191202) ever since @anunymint was nuked from the thread. They do not understand the concept of a natural monopoly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly) and that the liquidity scale is the barrier-to-entry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly#Definition) in LN because users always need to be where the liquidity is as exemplified by exchanges, especially in payment systems because merchants and users don’t want to be stuck and not be able to checkout the shopping cart.

Scale = better service (routing, etc) and higher liquidity

Decentralized exchanges have failed because everyone needs to be where the liquidity is. Much more so for payment systems. When someone can’t route their payment because of insufficient liquidity, both the merchant and the customer lose.

The LN Mt.Gox hubs can then leverage this need into entrenched oligarchies, which can dictate terms to users and merchants. Visa and Mastercard here we come again.

Nothing changes. We are right back where we started from.

Also I mostly agree with this post there:

Once a problem looks to be a challenge on first layer, one should firstly think of improving the infrastructure. Bitcoin is not a rigid, dead system. This infrastructure has more potentials to be unleashed and yet we have sharding solutions in the horizon as well. Sharding is a first layer protocol, an on-chain scalability solution.

Sharding is more elegant and beautiful compared to ugly complicated second layer solutions like LN, which completely abstracts users from the consensus algorithm, the way google, facebook, .... ruined the Internet and turned it to such a dangerous place for ordinary people by compromising their privacy and security. I suppose you guys have a same agenda for destroying bitcoin by putting people behind layers of abstraction.

It is an insane strategy. Bitcoin needs fresh breath to breath interaction with users and simplicity. Only a corporate employee would take second layer development serious, a hacker, just don't GAS.  ;)

The caveat is that I had explained (but my posts were nuked) some of my reasons in the Limits of PoW thread and his PoCW thread, why my technological understanding is that the potential on-chain transaction volume scalability of proof-of-work (in any configuration such as even sharding) is limited and could not attain IoT scale. He seems to think otherwise, but until I see a research paper with convincing formalization, I believe he is incorrect in his belief.

In the nuked posts I had explained in detail for example elaborating on the analysis of OmniLedger which I had previously blogged about:

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/scaling-decentralization-security-of-distributed-ledgers






Decentralized exchanges have failed because everyone needs to be where the liquidity is. Much more so for payment systems. When someone can’t route their payment because of insufficient liquidity, both the merchant and the customer lose.

Decentralized exchanges are still in a raw state. They are not newbie friendly, just like the Lightning Network. I wouldn't call them a failure because there is still a lot of work which needs to be done. We still lack user-friendly Lightning Network wallets which could provide channel backup and easy full-node setup process. There is a risk that the whole network becomes more centralized in the future because of people opening their channels to the biggest nodes or depending on a third party. Despite all this facts, the number of nodes and users is constantly growing and you must be asking yourself, why is that?

Lightning Network is still in its early state, why not compare it to the early days of Bitcoin when it was fairly easy to take over the network with a 51% attack? Give it some more time. Nobody expects to see every Bitcoin user using the Lightning Network this year.

Love that “trolling” (not ad hominem but still time wasting crap) when someone replies but totally ignores the economic point and builds a strawman argument to obfuscate the fact they actually didn’t make any relevant rebuttal.

I didn’t claim that decentralized exchanges will never be used. In fact OTC markets are used by the very wealthy, but they go no bid in times of stress because there’s no possible way to do secure shorting in a non-centralized exchange.

The salient point which he side-stepped entirely is that for payment systems, users have no choice but to be where the liquidity is.

There’s no amount of improvement to the usability of the software that can overcome the economics bottom-line which is that everyone who uses a payment system needs to be on the same system and there needs to be always enough liquidity.

Of course the other bunny rabbits will think he actually rebutted me and carry on blissfully to the woodchipper (https://steemit.com/psychology/@anonymint/social-courtesies-the-witless-and-pointless-example).


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Traxo on July 17, 2018, 06:41:16 PM
Quote from: mprep in a PM to Shelby
While I was referring to deletion of posts in non-anunymint threads, yeah, you're right on the anunymint thread posts. If they had posted any substantial content that could stand on it's own with a bit of editing, they're free to ping me via PM and I'll send over the BB code.

Unfortunately as you know, the affected users received no notification of the deletion so many of the dozens of people affected ostensibly do not know they are and we have no way to contact them because we also do not know who they were. For example, no complete archive was kept for the following two threads and I had some very important posts of mine in these two threads which I can’t reconstruct even on STEEM because I didn’t archive them:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4579834.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4462571.0;all

So I would like to suggest a kind gesture on your part would be send everyone their posts from the above two linked threads, including mine on this account or the banned @anunymint account. Or if you want to just restore those two threads (and no others), that would be even better for me. Or even if you restored them long enough for me to archive them, and the deleted them again, that would also be better for me.


Traxo partially archived both threads (see the 2 recent threads he posted). As for the other posts, the interested parties should PM me and I can send over the posts' BBCodes. Since all your posts (aside from the thread itself) were deleted, you technically should have all the post contents from said threads as well.

Shelby tells me that you are incorrect. He never received any copies of the deleted posts from the threads which were entirely nuked. And he would like to have a copy of those posts.
Please do send them to either of his banned accounts and post here indicating which account you sent them to.

Also he still thinks it is ridiculous that he has lost the context of the posts of the others who were in the discussion. And the archives I had made are highly incomplete for the two threads he mentioned. I had posted nearly complete archives for the other threads you nuked. Those two Shelby listed are the most problematic. Please.

Shelby informs me via Crypto.cat that he was unable to reply to your private message because he was only allowed 2 messages per day and you and he had already consumed his prior day’s allotment and then his account was banned. So he asked me to insert his reply here.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: mprep on July 17, 2018, 07:00:51 PM
Quote from: mprep in a PM to Shelby
While I was referring to deletion of posts in non-anunymint threads, yeah, you're right on the anunymint thread posts. If they had posted any substantial content that could stand on it's own with a bit of editing, they're free to ping me via PM and I'll send over the BB code.

Unfortunately as you know, the affected users received no notification of the deletion so many of the dozens of people affected ostensibly do not know they are and we have no way to contact them because we also do not know who they were. For example, no complete archive was kept for the following two threads and I had some very important posts of mine in these two threads which I can’t reconstruct even on STEEM because I didn’t archive them:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4579834.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4462571.0;all

So I would like to suggest a kind gesture on your part would be send everyone their posts from the above two linked threads, including mine on this account or the banned @anunymint account. Or if you want to just restore those two threads (and no others), that would be even better for me. Or even if you restored them long enough for me to archive them, and the deleted them again, that would also be better for me.


Traxo partially archived both threads (see the 2 recent threads he posted). As for the other posts, the interested parties should PM me and I can send over the posts' BBCodes. Since all your posts (aside from the thread itself) were deleted, you technically should have all the post contents from said threads as well.

Shelby tells me that you are incorrect. He never received any copies of the deleted posts from the threads which were entirely nuked. And he would like to have a copy of those posts.
Please do send them to either of his banned accounts and post here indicating which account you sent them to.

Also he still thinks it is ridiculous that he has lost the context of the posts of the others who were in the discussion. And the archives I had made are highly incomplete for the two threads he mentioned. I had posted nearly complete archives for the other threads you nuked. Those two Shelby listed are the most problematic. Please.

Shelby informs me via Crypto.cat that he was unable to reply to your private message because he was only allowed 2 messages per day and you and he had already consumed his prior day’s allotment and then his account was banned. So he asked me to insert his reply here.
The last sentence in my PM refers to his own posts (as noted by the "since all your posts <...> were deleted" and the sentence before it mentioning other people's posts) - looking back at it, I can understand how it could've come off as him having access to all the threads' posts. If he hasn't received his own post deletion notification PMs for posts in his own thread (aside from the OP, which you've already archived), I can't help him since I don't have access over the deleted posts. As for the posts of other users, as mentioned in the PM, they (not Anonymint) should contact me and I'll send over the BBCodes of their posts.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Shelby_Moore_III_ on February 09, 2019, 06:43:02 AM
It’s been 9+ months so I wanted to add an update on my perma-ban.

For those who might be curious about if I disappeared from crypto, absolutely not. I wrote a very important new blog slamdunk refuting all those Core supporters who wanted me perma-banned:

Lightning Networks must FAIL, if it succeeds (https://steemit.com/blockchain-scaling/@anonymint/lightning-networks-must-fail-if-it-succeeds)

(an alternative link (https://busy.org/@anonymint/lightning-networks-must-fail-if-it-succeeds) for the above which has different fonts)

And over the past several days was my prescient prediction (https://steemit.com/trading/@anonymint/re-johnnyflynn-re-anonymint-re-johnnyflynn-re-anonymint-re-finitemaz-re-anonymint-re-anonymint-most-important-bitcoin-chart-ever-20190130t095832548z) of today’s BTC price breakout which occurred on the exact day I predicted days in advance.

The above linked blog ties in links to all archived past discussion (other than the posts which weren’t archived (https://archive.is/jxiH8)) which was deleted by @mprep. And it flattens my analysis of Lightning Networks and the impossibility of Bitcoin transaction scaling.

Bitcoin Core is an altcoin. This will become evident eventually over the next several years, decade, or so. This is an example of a very unpopular analysis which caused so many to want me perma-banned.

Here is a link to an update (https://steemit.com/cryptocurrencies/@anonymint/lfiller-re-anonymint-re-quillfiller-re-anonymint-re-quillfiller-re-anonymint-re-quillfiller-re-anonymint-re-quillfiller-re-anonymint-re-quillfiller-re-anonymint-re-phelim-re-anonymint-re-anonymint-name-your-decentralized-social-network-20190203t020930360z) about my ongoing gut health battle (after apparently curing the Tuberculosis in 2017 with 6 months of liver toxic antibiotics), as well as the latest naming ideas for the altcoin project I’m still involved.

P.S. I have respected the perma-ban and have not attempted to post outside of Meta for the past 9+ months. Also I have not even relayed posts outside of Meta via my friends (who are indeed not my sockpuppet accounts) such as @Traxo.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: JayJuanGee on February 09, 2019, 06:53:29 AM
It’s been 9+ months so I wanted to add an update on my perma-ban.

For those who might be curious about if I disappeared from crypto, absolutely not. I wrote a very important new blog slamdunk refuting all those Core supporters who wanted me perma-banned:

Lightning Networks must FAIL, if it succeeds (https://steemit.com/blockchain-scaling/@anonymint/lightning-networks-must-fail-if-it-succeeds)

(an alternative link (https://busy.org/@anonymint/lightning-networks-must-fail-if-it-succeeds) for the above which has different fonts)

And over the past several days was my prescient prediction (https://steemit.com/trading/@anonymint/re-johnnyflynn-re-anonymint-re-johnnyflynn-re-anonymint-re-finitemaz-re-anonymint-re-anonymint-most-important-bitcoin-chart-ever-20190130t095832548z) of today’s BTC price breakout which occurred on the exact day I predicted days in advance.

The above linked blog ties in links to all archived past discussion (other than the posts which weren’t archived) which was deleted by @mprep. And it flattens my analysis of Lightning Networks and the impossible of Bitcoin transaction scaling.

Bitcoin Core is an altcoin. This will become evident eventually over the next several years, decade, or so. This is an example of a very unpopular analysis which caused so many to want me perma-banned.

Here is a link to an update (https://steemit.com/cryptocurrencies/@anonymint/lfiller-re-anonymint-re-quillfiller-re-anonymint-re-quillfiller-re-anonymint-re-quillfiller-re-anonymint-re-quillfiller-re-anonymint-re-quillfiller-re-anonymint-re-phelim-re-anonymint-re-anonymint-name-your-decentralized-social-network-20190203t020930360z) about my ongoing gut health battle (after apparently curing the Tuberculosis in 2017 with 6 months of liver toxic antibiotics), as well as the latest naming ideas for the altcoin project I’m still involved.

P.S. I have respected the perma-ban and have not attempted to post outside of Meta for the past 9+ months. Also I have not even relayed posts outside of Meta via my friends (who are indeed not my sockpuppet accounts) such as @Traxo.

Your above post doesn't make much sense to me.

Aren't you making a substantive post by providing links to your various topics (likely crap, but whatever).

Who gives a ratt's ass that you making this particular post in meta, since you are not keeping the topic of your post related to the subject of attempting to get your account(s) back or attempting to resolve your perma-ban issues (to the extent there are any outstanding possible issues?), so I don't really understand how that kind of posting conduct, including this particular post, could be "respecting the perma-ban." 

Maybe someone can educate me?  I don't proclaim to be an expert in "respecting the perma-ban", so maybe I am missing something?


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Shelby_Moore_III_ on February 09, 2019, 07:10:44 AM
Your above post doesn't make much sense to me.

Here’s some explanations of why nothing correct makes much sense to you (these links were provided in the blog I linked for you in my prior post but obviously you didn’t even digest it because you’re a disingenuous Core sycophant lacking your own independent brain stem):

http://trilema.com/2018/how-to-piss-me-the-fuck-off-a-guide/
http://trilema.com/2016/thats-right-time-to-move-on-please-do-bitcoin-is-really-not-for-you/
http://trilema.com/2015/if-you-go-on-a-bitcoin-fork-irrespective-which-scammer-proposes-it-you-will-lose-your-bitcoins/
http://trilema.com/2016/the-end-of-democracy/
http://trilema.com/2018/the-common-psychosis/
http://trilema.com/2013/because-most-people-are-idiots-in-spite-of-never-manning-up-and-admitting-to-it/
http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/
http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/

Aren't you making a substantive post by providing links to your various topics (likely crap, but whatever).

Who gives a ratt's ass that you making this particular post in meta, since you are not keeping the topic of your post related to the subject of attempting to get your account(s) back or attempting to resolve your perma-ban issues (to the extent there are any outstanding possible issues?), so I don't really understand how that kind of posting conduct, including this particular post, could be "respecting the perma-ban."  

Maybe someone can educate me?  I don't proclaim to be an expert in "respecting the perma-ban", so maybe I am missing something?

Lol, you’re so butt hurt by my success.

You Core sycophants think you own this forum. Anyone who is intelligent and capable of exposing your lies is perma-banned.

My post was both pointing out that I haven’t been evading the ban for some 9 months. For example, as a point about “good behavior” in case for example @Theymos decided that I don’t have to kiss his feet and he can respect my independence and dignity while still doing the correct action and removing the perma-ban in the middle of a crypto winter so he won't have egg all over his face when the altcoin I am working on likely ends up being in the Top 10 on the next bull market circa 2021. The subtle allusions to the fact that I am making a lot of progress on my work, was intended to be a subtle hint to that effect for the astute.

My post was also providing a holistic compilation of the posts which were deleted by @mprep. I do believe @mprep allowed such links to archives to be posted here, because many other users complained about losing the context of discussions they had been involved in. The prior posts of links to the deleted posts were spread all over the place and not holistically compiled in one place. That post after 9 months was tying it all together in one place so the afflicted innocent parties can more easily recover from the transgression that was made against them.

And in general my post was to further the evidence I am presenting of a Core conspiracy to ban me, by further establishing that Core is an attack on Bitcoin.

And my recent blog I linked is another belated technical response to the post @Gmaxwell made in the other thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4675898.msg42628583#msg42628583) about my perma-ban.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: JayJuanGee on February 09, 2019, 08:14:16 AM
Your above post doesn't make much sense to me.

Here’s some explanations of why nothing correct makes much sense to you (these links were provided in the blog I linked for you in my prior post but obviously you didn’t even digest it because you’re a disingenuous Core sycophant lacking your own independent brain stem):

Pretty much you were able to reiterate enough information to show that I was correct in my initial speculation that whatever you had provided in the first post did not make much if any sense because it was not really meant to make sense, and the reason for such lack of sense was because it was mostly gobble-dee-gook. 

I've seen this kind of similar convoluted mumbo-jumbo baloney from you before, when you were typing under the name anunymint.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Shelby_Moore_III_ on February 09, 2019, 08:31:00 AM
Your above post doesn't make much sense to me.

Here’s some explanations of why nothing correct makes much sense to you (these links were provided in the blog I linked for you in my prior post but obviously you didn’t even digest it because you’re a disingenuous Core sycophant lacking your own independent brain stem):

Pretty much you were able to reiterate enough information to show that I was correct in my initial speculation that whatever you had provided in the first post did not make much if any sense because it was not really meant to make sense, and the reason for such lack of sense was because it was mostly gobble-dee-gook.  

I've seen this kind of similar convoluted mumbo-jumbo baloney from you before, when you were typing under the name anunymint.

This is indicative of either laziness/disinterest on your part or the only other possible explanation is that it is well known that for a reader with two standard deviations (SD) lower IQ than the author will perceive the author as unintelligible. And in the case of the Dunning-Kruger phenomenon, the retard will perceive the genius as being the retard.

I suggest you exert more diligent effort in your reading, because otherwise this is indicating that your IQ is below 1 SD. I was informed by Omar Bessa (confirmed 170+ IQ, i.e. 5 SD) that in his judgement the ~0.5 million BTC trilema.com author (who was the DAO attacker) has roughly a 3 SD IQ (so 145 IQ).

P.S. I’ve been told that trilema.com (actually the The Most Serene Republic (https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Atrilema.com+the+most+serene+republic), aka TMSR) represents the philosophy (and support of Satoshi’s original protocol without SegWit) of those who hodl millions (plural) of BTC.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Last of the V8s on February 09, 2019, 11:57:03 AM
searched for 'channel factories' and 'sighash_noinput' in your steemit piece
could not find ???
afaiu they - with schnorr - are the pieces of the puzzle that that lot of devs think might address all your concerns about blocksize and huge hubs/banks


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Shelby_Moore_III_ on February 13, 2019, 01:20:23 PM
searched for 'channel factories' and 'sighash_noinput' in your steemit piece
could not find ???
afaiu they - with schnorr - are the pieces of the puzzle that that lot of devs think might address all your concerns about blocksize and huge hubs/banks

Please search my blog post for “Edit:” wherein I have noted your peer review. Note that before these edits, my linked blog had already mentioned the ‘channel factories’ but not by that name and had already linked to the relevant paper by C.Decker et al. AFAICT, that Layer 3 technology doesn’t solve the fundamental flaw I have alleged and explained in my blog.

AFAICT, ‘sighash_noinput’ doesn’t address the fundamental flaw I raised and if it were extended to the point of making on-chain transaction capacity unbounded (which is not its intended purpose) then it would destroy miner revenue. I have pointed this out in my edits.

P.S. This continuing discussion may be heading off-topic from the issues I was addressing about my perma-ban and it’s evolving into technological discussion (which would not fall under the umbrella of linking the blog to refute @Gmaxwell’s post about my perma-ban). So to avoid others accusing me of circumventing the perma-ban and discussing technology in Meta, I respectfully request that any future technological discussion be in a private message or another forum. I am available on protonmail as well. I also have a GPG key.



Aren't you making a substantive post by providing links to your various topics (likely crap, but whatever).

Who gives a ratt's ass that you making this particular post in meta, since you are not keeping the topic of your post related to the subject of attempting to get your account(s) back or attempting to resolve your perma-ban issues (to the extent there are any outstanding possible issues?), so I don't really understand how that kind of posting conduct, including this particular post, could be "respecting the perma-ban."  

Maybe someone can educate me?  I don't proclaim to be an expert in "respecting the perma-ban", so maybe I am missing something?

[…]

My post was both pointing out that I haven’t been evading the ban for some 9 months. For example, as a point about “good behavior” in case for example @Theymos decided that I don’t have to kiss his feet and he can respect my independence and dignity while still doing the correct action and removing the perma-ban in the middle of a crypto winter so he won't have egg all over his face when the altcoin I am working on likely ends up being in the Top 10 on the next bull market circa 2021. The subtle allusions to the fact that I am making a lot of progress on my work, was intended to be a subtle hint to that effect for the astute.

My post was also providing a holistic compilation of the posts which were deleted by @mprep. I do believe @mprep allowed such links to archives to be posted here, because many other users complained about losing the context of discussions they had been involved in […]

On further reflection and until further notice, I kindly withdraw any perceived request to be unbanned, because it would actually reduce my productivity because I would end up consuming much of my time on never ending technical and political-economic debates (and especially the sort of ad hominem vacuous content attacks (https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/re-anonymint-re-anonymint-re-anonymint-scaling-decentralization-security-of-distributed-ledgers-20190214t094248913z) that unfortunately seem so prevalent (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4638321.msg49727767#msg49727767) on bitcointalk.org), such as this recent itch I had to scratch to correct some very important errors in @dinofelis’ overconfident technical arguments (https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/re-anonymint-re-anonymint-scaling-decentralization-security-of-distributed-ledgers-20190209t143757701z). And when I am overworked and exhausted (being age 54 and still suffering from some gut dysbiosis causing delirium weary fatigue), I tend to get sloppy with my writing and thought process. Much better for me to post my rebuttals elsewhere where the counter parties aren’t likely to bother to signup to go debate me there, so that I don’t end up wasting precious time that needs to be focused on coding and development work.

I do hope that Theymos and the mods will not ban those (who are not my sockpuppets!) who decide to post links to my comments in the relevant threads of BCT?

Also I received a respectful and courteous reply from @Theymos in a PM about my critique of Grin (https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/re-anonymint-re-anonymint-scaling-decentralization-security-of-distributed-ledgers-20190209t143757701z), so that is a positive step for building some mutual respect. I’d like to leave it rest with that for the time being.


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: vapourminer on March 03, 2019, 07:24:16 PM
where is iamnotback? he quit:

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/re-anonymint-re-anonymint-re-anonymint-re-anonymint-scaling-decentralization-security-of-distributed-ledgers-20190303t130445403z


Title: Re: Where are you 'Iamnotback'?
Post by: Shelby_Moore_III_ on March 05, 2019, 07:11:53 AM
where is iamnotback? he quit:

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@anonymint/re-anonymint-re-anonymint-re-anonymint-re-anonymint-scaling-decentralization-security-of-distributed-ledgers-20190303t130445403z

Confirmed. Thanks @vapourminer. Buh bye.