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EDIT: I mistakenly thought that both these bets(?) were of the same nature, which is not the case.

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EDIT AGAIN: This is the post I meant to include and not the bet with runeks.

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Here is the proof that Josh owes 1000 BTC:

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Proof that BFL owes 1000 BFL: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/123-bfl-offers-1000-btc-charity-if-they-miss-their-power-targets.html

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Unless you are an idiot, the above clearly shows that the first case is a bet between runeks and Josh, whereas the later case is somebody speaking in the capacity of BFL assuring their customer base--current and future--that they'll produce products within a certain tolerance, offering up a 1000 BTC donation to some charity as a guarantee.

Josh reaffirms his bet, whereas BFL didn't have to, for they're on record on their official website that a 1000 BTC guarantee is place.

It's safe to assume that at least one person ordered a BFL product based off this official statement on BFL's website. It's also safe to assume that at least two people purchased BFL products due to Josh's bet because of the trust factor alone.

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I'm on record in stating that I will donate $200 USD (doesn't matter if in $ or BTC) to a charity of Josh's or BFL's choice (doesn't matter which or to whom) once they show proof of delivery.

Instead of trying to dispute that such deliveries have yet to take place, I will simply concede that they have shipped. Ergo, I OWE $200 to some yet unnamed charity of which I will honor...

...As soon as both their 1000 BTC donations are satisfied.

~Bruno K~

It'll be interesting to see how anyone could wiggle out of this bet. The terms are very clearly established.

I don't have a unit to test the power usage of it but once this clearly established for the shipped product (not just the early dev versions) than how could this bet not be honored? I bet Josh et al. will  do the right thing here.

 ;)

Phinn, this is why I love you!
1000 BTC, damn! ehehehehehehehehehehehehheh

That's pretty much a quarter million dollars! Which would be awesome for charity! If BFL and Josh actually followed through, I think they'd both easily earn their respect. Or at least they would certainly have mine! :)

inb4 smoothie frizz and the other retards hi-jack this thread.

They won't.

I think BFL and mainly Josh are very reputable and honorable. Of course they will stand by their statements and wagers. Only a shifty magazine editor would make a bet like that and ignore it when they lose. ROTFL

Then you haven't made your homework.

That’s not true - they’re swell.  I love em’ so much I want to have their babies. I’m going into the toilet right now to make a little BFL baby. Only mine will come out on schedule with the correct specs.

The entire sentence is damn near a double entendre.

With the exchange rate currently at $113.10/BTC, if BFL donated now, they would only have to fork over $226,2000 to some charity(s).

Somebody, quick, calculated approximately how many one-chip Jalapeños, 60 GH/s Bitcoin Miner, and 1,500 GH/s MiniRigs this sum equates to before some other product is discontinued, thus having a need to do the calculations all over again. Bonus points awarded if the various shipping options are included on the Excel Sheet.

Question: When was the last time anybody saw a Butterfly Labs' ad on Google?

PG,

I already pointed this out in several other threads last week.

Josh claims he paid the bet. But I never got any proof. He did not respond when asked for proof.

So as far as I am concerned the bet is still unpaid. I mean, why hide it right?

Josh is a douche and will try to wiggle his way out of the bet.

LOL so fail...BFL and Josh so fail...I love it...entertainment at its finest.

 ;D ;D ;D

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191697.msg1990537#msg1990537

Where you fail is I already posted on this last week. LOL fail again bitch  :P

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191697.msg1990537#msg1990537

Here is where I call JOSH out on his bullshit claim that he settled the bet and asked for proof:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191697.msg1991422#msg1991422

and....SILENCE.


Surprised? Nope.  :P :P :P

$107,000 USD at current prices!

If Mattew N Wright can get a scammer tag over failing to honour a bet then so should Inaba. Otherwise double standards.

With all this betting going on, I fucked up, thinking that there were three 1000 BTC, two of which were charities. My bad.

I would love to see proof from runeks that his bet was satisfied, but won't need it to satisfy my $200 USD proposition with Josh/BFL, albeit I WILL need proof that they paid out that 1000 BTC guarantee.

Thanks, smoothie, for setting me straight. I will now amend the title to this thread.

EDIT: Actually, I don't need to amend the title, for it's valid, albeit the OP is skewed.

This is the post I meant to site as the other 1000 BTC bet, not the one with runeks, so there were 3 bits.


This is clearly Josh making the bet in the capacity of himself and not BFL.

Next expected announcement will be, "We are sorry for the inconvenience, but the shipment of our 2 petahashes in asics will be delayed by 1 week while we mine for the btc to pay our bets. Sorry for the delay."

Are they scammers?

This is how it feels to be a BFL investor:

https://i.imgur.com/ca52yA8.jpg

Unfortunately, this is probably true and doesn't sit well with me at all.

I don't know who exactly runeks is, but it does seem clear the company made this offer (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/content/123-bfl-offers-1000-btc-charity-if-they-miss-their-power-targets.html). (Note: I have taken a screenshot of this link in case they delete this post)

Because of this, correction or compensation is required. So in addition to what PG offers here, I will also donate $200 to the charity of BFL's choice assuming they are able to meet Bruno's requirement of proof that 1000BTC was paid to a charity. Put simply, my conditions are that if PG is satisfied with the proof enough to donate, I will also donate.

With regards to the runeks bet, I'm not sure I agree that a 50:1 bet was exactly fair, but that does appear to be what Inaba agreed to. So, if runeks is happy with whatever he got and PG is satisfied that runeks was compensated justly, I will definitely go through with an additional $200 donation to Inaba's favorite charity. I require no proof other than that PG is satisfied that runeks is satisfied.

I will donate to whichever charity they choose, regardless of said charity's CharityNavigator score (a site I follow regularly).

$400 total is a small amount of worthless fiat, but enough of the fiat that they covet so dearly to encourage both BFL and Inaba to do the right thing, IMHO. These bets were VERY predatory and encouraged people to purchase units on figures that were NOT met. It is only fair they do the right thing and honor their debts.

Otherwise, they have zero integrity and absolutely no business participating on these forums.

EDIT: Bolded the parts that are relevant

Please donate to the worlds largest charity, what ever it be. Tell them you will make a donation of over $100,000 or wait til it hits $120-130 a coin before sending and tell them a donation of $130,000 paid in bitcoin if they add the link on site to send it to. The only requirement is that they have to keep the link on site, this will be massive for bitcoin if it happens.

Imagine if you can get the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to accept bitcoin.

So, to be clear, $400 to a charity(s) of Josh/BFL choice once they prove that 1000 BTC was donated, and another $200 once it's proven that runeks bet was satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt, Raize putting it in my court in showing that that particular 1000 BTC was indeed transferred.

I look forward to Raize confirming or amending this proposition.

~Bruno K~

That is correct.

why do you quote someone saying something?

why do you quote someone saying something?

why do you quote two people saying something?

To be honest, I'm appalled that Josh doesn't have the scammer tag. 1000 BTC is a lot of money to default on. The bet wasn't especially formal, but it clearly wasn't a joke. This is in the same ballpark as Matthew's, which got him a scammer tag.

Theymos is turning his eye to this? Double standards?

From a very uneducated perspective - I am utterly baffled that this forum has not banned / got rid of BFL advertisements OR given them scammer tags.

The company is possibly the least professional I have ever seen but yet it seems like very few people stand up against them. Advertising here, with the blessing of this forum, has enabled them to scam many more people than even they could have dreamed of.

I knew of the bet existence but seriously guys? We are in the Bitcoin world. No signed messages no GPG keys? And now you want Josh to honor the bet? really? Josh? The same Josh from BFL? Honoring predetermined terms?

You all high on the emissions of your mining rigs if you think this is going to happen, IMO.

LOL +1

Can someone tell me why this is in the Off-Topic forum and not in Scam Accusations?

I'd consider myself a bit more reserved, and not part of the whole "Hurr Durr BFL and Josh are scammers! He's some lame memes and jokes about them..." bandwagon. But have you guys seen the latest update? I mean, it looks like they are delaying shipping further so they can meet their original power specs. Or in other words, they'll save money if they spend thousands more designing a better board rather than giving to charity. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/2239-what-happened-chips-3.html#post30793

I sincerely hope this isn't the case.

Apologies, for I assumed simply quoting it would suffice, having nothing else to add. Obviously, I deserve 500 lashes with a wet noodle. Who's providing the noodle and who's doing the whipping?  ;D


I felt it should go here to not clog up the Scam thread, whereupon if my assertions proved viable, some other member(s) would migrate the proof(s).


Either Google is no longer allowing the ads from BFL, or BFL has scaled back their advertising dollars.

I just thought of something of which may have already been expressed elsewhere, but eluded me: Why is it that both Josh/BFL stated loathing the BitcoinTalk forum, yet pay for ads here to garner sales from the same community they despise?

If one is an Agnostic, they don't advertise any wares they have on some religious forum. Likewise, if one's a racist, they don't advertise on sites populated with those they loathe, regardless if they would recognize a noticeable uptick in sales.

OTOH, you do promote to those having vulnerabilities, e.g., the elderly fond of playing the lottery.

Interesting!


Contractor: Is there enough drywall to complete the job?
Bruno: I'm not sure how many sheets have been hung.
Contractor: Why don't you count how many sheets are left and subtract that number from how many were stocked?
Bruno: It's not that simple. I had to take some of the drywall outta your house and use it in the one I'm building from myself. Since I took it at night and didn't keep a count, the resulting number you seek would be skewed.
Contractor: Obviously, I need to hire the other drywall contractor for my subsequent homes.
Bruno: You could, but they will take too long, use chinese drywall, and their customer service sucks.
Contractor: How the fuck did I get stuck with you guys?
Bruno: You pre-ordered last year when I was the only kid on the block.
Contractor: I've been waiting since last year to get the drywall hung in this house.
Bruno: Hanging drywall is hard.

I made a prank bet to goad people I thought were stupid, gullible, and mostly the kind of people who would post "get rid of matthew" style threads (so it was out of spite mostly). Despite never touching a single bitcent, I ended up losing $63,000, a job, and have had to initiate settlements with over a hundred people, (many of which admitted that they'd never even pay) in an effort to make things right. I may *never* successfully pay every last person as a result of the constant volatility. What I did was absolutely over the line and I deserved everything I got. I received a violent reaction from the greedy community who had already been duped into losing their fortunes in an "ask questions later" ponzi. I received a scammer tag *instantly* after the bet ended because it was obvious to Theymos that I had no intention of paying at the time (he even posted a macro image of a cat "Do you think this is a game?").

Let me repeat the important points: I, a well known troll and an individual, not a serious business, was held to my responsibilities for a bet, a bet that was intended merely to troll and was held to every penny, not just by the people involved in the bet, but by moderators and Theymos (admin) himself because the statements of claim to pay (bet) were made here on this forum. I am not a scammer, and thus take responsibility for my actions.

Now let's take Josh. He, as a company (representative) makes a public promise (on the forum) that if they cannot deliver within their specified range, they will pay 1000BTC to a charity. They not only failed to deliver on spec, they failed to deliver period. Are they sorry for making claims they couldn't back up? I'm sure they (privately) are, very much so. Would it be considered scamming if they didn't, despite obvious pain, pay the 1000 BTC to charity? Yes.

Josh and BFL have already earned a scammer tag, Theymos is just apparently waiting for something. As someone who has received a hasty scammer tag from Theymos *twice* since joining these forums, it always has been quite insulting to watch the favoritism here. It's kind of what made me (a normally serious poster) into a troll in the first place-- I completely lost all respect for these forums on multiple occasions.

Bravo! Well said and a very compelling argument for a scammer tag for Josh and BFL.

+1 yup so Theymos why no action?

Pirate got one, MNW got one, Josh/BFL should too.

Damn, after the interview I say yesterday, this is truly a possibility!

I wonder if Upton Sinclair could shed some light on this.

Crazy shit. GL sorting it out! Will be following this thread.

He has! Didn't you know that he speaks to Lithuanians, like myself, from his grave?

That's quiet easy, actually.

If Josh gets a scammer tag, how should Josh be able to be in the  auctions for "Advertise on this forum - Round 82"?  ;D


Theymos,

You are a fucking pussy.

Quite frankly, I'm gettin' tired of fixin' shit around here!  ;D

Are these saying BFL/Josh bought their way out of a scammer tag?

Pretty much. It's a damn circle jerk now. The dude could have his own reality TV show now.

OK, can just one confirm that he get a device from butterfly labs and he is mining big?

Mining big? Unlikely. Global hashrate has gone up tenfold since BFL first announced their miners a year ago. The 20 or so people who now got one certainly are not mining big. Right at this second a Jalapeno delivers about 0,0038 % of global hashrate. This number is rapidly shrinking.

And, In Two Weeks^TM a swarm of 17 Year Cicadas will be delivering them Jalapeños to BFL's investor's doors.

Personally I still think they should have followed up on that serum that made these locusts strong enough to carry all these boxes. Imagine how useful this stuff would be if it worked for old people.

Ok, so nobody can not confirm that people have devices which makes 25Ghas?
because it was written that some people gets theric ASICS in may?

25 GH/s? Nah, those ones are not out yet.

Sonny already has that figured out. He simply stenciled the word lottery on them Jalapeño boxes so that them old people would muster up all the energy within themselves to carry them where ever they chose. Rumor has it that a sailor logo is also embossed to make them believe there's an added surprise inside.

Is somewhere possible to see how many BTCs are maded per day?

Something tells me your intended username was "Brisk".

http://bfl.ptz.ro

Note this is incomplete.

maybe still is, who knows :)

So, instead of donating 1000 BTC to charity and just telling us which charities they are donating to they are spending 1000 BTC to start a Bitcoin-based charity foundation? I don't get it. Can anyone confirm that they've done *any* donating whatsoever? I don't mind following through on my promise to pay $200 worth in fiat or coin, but only if PG is satisfied they are actually spending the donations on charities, not holding on to it themselves.

If by donation you mean paying off luke-jr and ckolivas, then they've done donations via their "charity".

Highly doubt they will actually follow through with this :(

Me too. They've been babbling about it for a while.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=234711.0

1000 BTC? To charity? Biggest joke ive heard.

For sure :)

LOL...Oh shit!

Just because the owe it does not mean they will pay it :(. People are lucky if they pay out 10% of that

And Matthew got his last scammer tag because...

Update?

Did he end up paying?

I'm not sure about the first bet , but apparently they have set up a fund with 1000BTC for charity.http://www.bitcoindf.org/ (http://www.bitcoindf.org/)
It is slowly , giving out the 1000 BTC to various charities.

Well , they still need to pay out the other 1000 BTC to the other guy.

AFAIK, Josh still owes Runeks 1000BTC for losing the bet on power efficiency.

Despite that (and ignoring all the rest of BFL's shenanigans) , owing Runeks $500.0000, instead of a scammer tag he has a positive green trust rating.

BFL never keep their promise, at today's value 1000BTC is 500,000 USD!!!

And yet he don't have a scammer tag... so unfair...

I was told independently by runeks that the bet with Inaba was resolved to his satisfaction. After the charity was created, I donated my fiat bets in BTC to the charity in question per an independent side conversation with Josh & PG. I consider this matter resolved for my own bet which I followed through on, even if it wasn't fulfilled to PG's satisfaction.

I still share much of PG's lament on how this whole thing was handled. It would have been nice to have seen more action done on the charity side, honestly. Unfortunately, too, it looks like the charity can't be fully trusted because of BFL's involvement and their lackluster performance and shipping times. That said, I just consider all of this over with and I'm done complaining about it at this point.

TLDR; It was sad to see BFL/Josh make some of the decisions they did and say some of the things they said over the last 18 months.

https://blockchain.info/address/1ERVh27gZfPSDaaagL9R3W12xpMJ38ZBA7