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Hello forum members.

I am currently under development of a new software for a poker room. We are looking to launch our brand probably within the first 2 weeks of this upcoming September. Needless to say, the poker room will be completely bitcoin based, and our mission is to grow and give out white-labels to potential partners. We are working extremely hard, to get a unique angle to this poker room.
However, before launching, I was wondering what players on bitcointalk think about BTC poker sites.
If any of you can give me your take on it. What are YOU looking for in a BTC poker room.

Deposit and Withdrawal Time?
Minimum Dep and Withdrawal?
Rakeback?
Licenses for your region?
Customer support? Language? Live-Chat
What currency to host the games in?
Freerolls?
Free money to sign up?
Rake percentage?

**Please also list some features you'd like to see on the poker table
Some features we are working on (will share pictures soon) - RakeBack box - showing you how much rakeback you accumulate per session.
Optional country flag
Optional Avatar
Chat bubble (similar to the old merge network) with icons and emoji's
let me know whats important to you

These are some serious concerns I would like to address, as I am sure that some or perhaps ALL of these questions have either stopped you from registering or have left you with little faith to deposit.

The more information I get from you guys the better I can build this thing!
PS - Please give reasonable answers. Obviously no one would expect to receive 1BTC no deposit and withdraw auto. So keep it REAL and perhaps our new brand will be the next PokerStars of Bitcoin! :)

Thank you in Advance.

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30/07/2017 UPDATE

So as we leap closer to launch date I wanted to update you guys with one of the features we are working right now to implement in our system.
Its called UBPlay (why its called that I'll leave for a different time)

Basically, we are going to introduce a game based on PLAY MONEY MODE.

And it goes like this:
When a new user signs up, he will be given 500 play chips that can be topped up once every 6 hours.
You can play any game you want , including cash games, tourneys, sitNgos.
Once you accumulate enough chips  you can purchase tickets for our events
8 events will run monthly, between mbtc100 - 1000 EVERY month.
Only way to enter the events is buy purchasing tickets through PLAY MONEY.
On May of every year we will host the Main Events of UBPlay, with prizes up to  BTC20

Players wishing to start with more than 500 play chips, or want to play bigger play tournaments can do so by purchasing play chips (kind of like on pokerstars, zyngapoker or wsop on facebook)

Value of chips: Every chip is worth 1 satoshi (however play chips can not be converted to real money)
Play chips can be purchased at 1mbtc for 100,000 (as there are 100,000 satoshis in 1mbtc)

We believe this can be a really nice feature that can push newbies to become real money players and help new btc players get acquainted with how bitcoin works

LET US KNOW YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS FEATURE

REAL MONEY FEATURES WILL BE LISTED HERE SOON

This my opinion ;D

Deposit and Withdrawal Time? Anytime
Minimum Dep and Withdrawal? DP Min 1mbt - maks 100 btc WD
Rakeback? No
Licenses for your region? No
Customer support? Language? Live-Chat ( yes English language )
What currency to host the games in? Btc and alt coin
Freerolls? Yes
Free money to sign up? Yes
Rake percentage? Yes

Thank you for you speedy reply.
I will take note of your answers.
If you can clarify just afew things:
What do you think rake percentage should be? brands typically take between 2-5% up to $5 depending on number of player and game size. How do yuo feel about rake?

thank you so much for your time.
much appreciated

free rolls are always nice and bring a lot of players. I hope to see something focusing on the UX/UI, at least more enjoyable than the poker rooms currently available.

edit: agreed with the previous post. atlcoin support could help

Thank you for your response! Point taken!
UX/UI is something that we are really focusing on. Including mobile version.
We will also have games similar to what you may find on PokerStars/Titan/Party. Including speed poker.

In addition to bitcoin, what other altcoins would you want added? And if you could have a wallet with multiple cryptos, what would be the coin of choice for ring games?

Best

My advice will be short.
I will like free money to be given on sign ups. And I will like the platform currency to be USD and BTC the user should chose when signing up. And for the language it can't be only English because everyone doesn't speak English. The user should also chose his or her language when signing up it will make the platform more engaging. That's my little advice for now.
Bravo.

Freerolls might bring in maybe 1 player for each 20 participants.

Rakeback would be far superior in enticing more players to join rather than essentially giving money away for 'promotions'. What you'll get is a lot of players only coming for the freerolls and/or collusion.

Point very well taken. I have considered this, as I know this to be true from other brands I have operated (in other marketing verticals).

In regards to Rakeback - What are your thoughts
Daily/Weekly?
What percentage?
Should that percentage change with bigger games?

It will be nice to have more options in Bitcoin Poker.

Just my opinion:

Deposit and Withdrawal Time?
Must be anytime, this is a critical thing to consider IMHO.

Minimum Dep and Withdrawal?
Min Deposit 0.001 BTC /  Min Withdrawal 0.002-0.003 BTC.

Rakeback?
Yes, 30% is fine (daily).

Licenses for your region?
No.

Customer support? Language?
Via e-mail, live chat and bitcointalk official thread in Gambling section of course, english preferred, spanish would be nice too.

What currency to host the games in?
Bitcoin and Litecoin.

Freerolls?
Yes.

Free money to sign up?
Yes.

Rake percentage?
Yes, 2,5% to 7,0% of the pot.

Thank you so much for your feedback.

Deposit and Withdrawal Time?
Minimum Dep and Withdrawal?
Rakeback?
Licenses for your region?
Customer support? Language? Live-Chat
What currency to host the games in?
Freerolls?
Free money to sign up?
Rake percentage?

Most gamblers i think they are always looking for good promotion freerolls rareback and free register bonus which is gamblers are taking this advantage and affiliate bonus that they can share the link affiliate to get more bonus or earn few bitcoins that they can promote to their friends or other site..
That is why we have games and rounds here where many gamblers are looking for bonuses for the brand new poker or other games..
And also they are always looking for provably fair games this is mostly the important in gambling..

Hey bitmaxz thank you for taking time to reply.
When you say, 'looking for fair games' what exactly do you mean by that?
I appreciate your help in the matter
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while it's true, it can bring a lot of 'free rollers'  if there are freerolls running every hours / every day, you'll definitely assure yourself no profits. but look at nitrogen since they tighten the cheating issue i think that the way they handle their freerolls, doesn't seem to harm them at all. but I'm no poker site owner so just a thought.

Now wait just a minute! If you're saying NitrogenSports has the collusion issue down pat then you are completely wrong. If you take a look at their 4FL games close to the Daily 100 Flop tournament time, you'll see a lot of 2-seat games happening between two colluders. If you sit down, at least one of them will leave. Read my recent posts on their main thread and/or check out Sadsong's collusion thread.

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Weekly rakeback will help prolong gameplay.
2 to 3% would be an incentive. Lower than PokerStars' rake (http://www.rakeback.com/pokerstars/rake-structure/).
Increase up to 4.5% to stay competitive and profitable.

Offer higher rakeback to players that have played more hands/contributed more rake/etc to further incentivize contribution. A level-rewards system not dissimilar to Betcoin's would be a thought but a simple measure could be to have players achieve a minimum of N rake/flops at a certain stake for X rakeback.

It is okay to use USD as a currency to host your poker game. Users are attracted mostly if you offer free money to signup.
However,  must have a good referral reward promotion to encourange players spreading word.

bitcoins accept n poker games .we can login anytime.registration is free. if a player deposited 1 BTC on ACR this time last year then ACR would have credited their account with $400. If the same player then withdraws the same amount today he will receive 0.21 of a Bitcoin. The player will still have $400 worth of BTC so won't have lost a cent in real money, but ACR will have made some $1,475 from the remainder of this single BTC.

guarantee tourneys with possible overhang  8)

Probably main coins like BTC, LTC, and ETH?
Anyway, freerolls and free satellites?

Thanks for your feedback.

We will ofcourse have freerolls, and satellites. But we are also developing a brand new type tournament that will attract new poker players to play and receive free money.

Let me know if you would have any other requests in order to join a new poker room. Things that are important to you.

Deposit and Withdrawal Time?
Using crypto currecy deposits are usually instant or as soon as there is 1 - 3 confirmations on the blockchain , sometimes up to 6 confirmations if the deposits are big ( 10 BTC and up ) , cashouts in crypto - currencies needs to be in a reasonable time as
1. The whole point of crypto currencies is swiftness and no one likes to wait , it is what makes the difference between a regular poker site that has a 1- 5 days waiting period to a bitcoin opereated poker site. If you have a good system in place for fraud , collusion , multiple accounts , then there is no reason not to let players withdraw immediately , the quicker they receive there money , the better they are to feel good about depositing again with you.

Minimum Dep and Withdrawal?

most bitcoin poker sites have a 1mbtc ( 100,000 satoshi ) minimum deposit , which is about $2 today ( 18/17 /2017 ) which again is a lot less than the traditional $10- $25 min deposit that you have on most poker sites. Same for withdrawls maybe 5mbtc , you have to always take into consideration how much transaction fees are so maybe not instant withdrawls but rather when you have 10 withdrawls made to be sent out together , I'm not an expert on how you can save money on multi transfers but I'm sure there is a way to save if you do a large amount .

Rakeback?

Key element for players who grind hours at the table , I don't think that every player should be receiving bitcoin , but only the players who put in the hours at the table , so you can do a 20% - 40% rakeback for players who reach a certain threshold ( amount of hands / rake / tables etc.. )

Licenses for your region?

This is a really tricky and complex issue . Using bitcoin in many countries is still not known as a recognized currency so I don't know about regulation , however having a regulation helps players feel safer with there money , so that if something ever happens they have an address , this is usually pointless , take fulltiltpoker when it closed down if pokerstars didn't buy them out players would have never received their funds , so does regulation help , the answer is yes and no.

Customer support? Language? Live-Chat

The more ways that you have to talk with your clients the better it is for you , I would recommend live chat , email , skype and ticket center for players to be able to get in touch , languages should be obviously English but adding Russian , Spanish and a few more will bring you players from different regions as well , also helping your site in seo to reach organic traffic in different countries.

What currency to host the games in?

If you are using only crypto - currencies then only in btc , lets say 1 bitcoin = 1000 mbtc , so if players want to play even micro limits they are available. If you add other currencies then have the option for currency exchange rates on the site say litecoins how many btc points you get per litecoin , and to convert litecoin to bitcoin on the site , then for withdrawl they can exchange back to there crypto currency of their choice.

Freerolls?

Always a good idea to bring new players to test out the platform , but be warned there are a lot of freerollers out there that have no real interest in being poker players , and they open multiple accounts which can really screw your system. I would recommend really small freerolls and also vip freerolls for players who play a certain amount of hands per day / week

Free money to sign up?

No need really , I really don't like the free money bonuses as they talke forever to clear , its better to offer stuff like free sit and go tickets on first deposits , or first time deposit weekly freeroll , again this can lead to players opening a few accounts and making small deposits if the freeroll has potential value so make sure you have a good no multi account procedure in place.

Rake percentage?

The standard is about 3% - 5% up to a few dollars or in this case bitcoin , I would suggest either lowering it for bigger blinds or keep it as it is but be able to add more incentives for your players .

I hope this helps :)

Hello BTCJack. Thank you for putting the time to answer some of our main concerns.

newpoker is the game which is accepted and receiving the bitcoins.this has no registration fees,we have to login with valid mail id and passward.in internet world we can see number of sites like poker site.it is addiction for some people,so they are wasting their money that game makes more excitement to  them.this is slow poison.if we get money that fine otherwise its very bad.

I would like to see a poker room with 1)a unique or at least a high-end software (regardless of it being web-based or a downloadable software), not the regular script that doesn't inspire much trust in the website, NitrogenSports Poker interface is better, and smoother than the free script most simple and less funded sites use.
ETH and BTC are the main currencies now, IMO having more than 2 coins would require converting the money to USD since you can't have 5-10 different rooms for different (blind) for each coin.

Thank you for sharing your opinion with us.
We are currently building a new downloadable software for poker that will look and feel similar to some of the bigger well known poker rooms online.

All the Bitcoin only (No Fiat money) poker sites have a very low traffic as you can see on www.pokerscout.com

So if you want to introduce another Bitcoin poker site, please tell how you plan to reach a sustainable number of players?

Very good question! Going into this project, that was one of the first things I dedicated a week of research into. Why are there no reasonably sized BTC/CRYPTO only poker brands with atleast a decent amount of players.

I can not answer that question with precision, but the first thing that really is apparent is the low quality software and branding of most of these poker brands. Most are only web based and look absolutely horrible. And in my opinion, the look and feel of the poker client is just as important as customer support. Players invest time and money playing poker, a feeling of security in most of these sites are definately missing.

The second point ive noticed is the lack of general poker knowledge most of these brands have. Poker players are accustomed to almost 20 years of online poker - GTD tournaments, freerolls, qualifiers, special games like zoom poker, spin and go etc are not part of these btc brands.

Last but not least - marketing!!!
I have been an online marketer for over 8 years, I have owned several brands (in other verticals) and even an affiliate network. It seems to me that most of these brands are actually a 2 man operation with a max of $10,000 in funds to get rolling. BTC or not, it takes way more than that!

My angle - I have a unique angle on this poker room, it will introduce something new t "new poker players" that have never deposited before. Tis idea has not yet been done and from several tests we have done it looks like it may pick up.

Which brings me to my original post - I can have all the answers in my head, but in the end of the day, bitcoin users KNOW what they want and what they are looking for. I think  its good to engage early on. That way, I can build this thing way better.

i say the the thing thats killing the games on the btc site are the bum hunting HU players, theres not enough players to have HU tables the sites should get rid of them. also rake needs to be low like 2 or 3% max with a good rack back program and please dont make freeroll tournys as promos for playing do a high hand promo or badbeat jackpot.

Thanks. Good point.

Hello eking657, I really like poker so here is some of my input:

Deposit and Withdrawal Time?
I know this is important for bitcoin users, but I know that in poker the withdrawals sometimes need to take some extra time, so I don't mind waiting 3 business days for a withdrawal, and I think it's normal. Of course the faster the better. As for deposit I like them fast, so maybe after one confirmation the coins should be available.

Minimum Dep and Withdrawal?
Not a highroller here, so they should be small (maybe 1 or 2mBTC), or the equivalent to $5.

Rakeback?
Not a highroller like I said, so I prefer other promotions, like freerolls.

Licenses for your region?
Well I guess that is up to you, if you want to risk it or not. I just want to be able to play poker.

Customer support? Language? Live-Chat
I like live-chat. Just English is fine, but multi language is always appreciated.

What currency to host the games in?
Multicurrency is good, or at least some in game currency. Bitcoin price is always floating, so that would help.

Freerolls?
Yes please, I really like to try to build a bankroll from freerolls, and satellites t big torns.

Free money to sign up?
It helps, but not important, as long as you have freerolls.

Rake percentage?
Like I said I don't really care about this, so any normal % is fine by me.

Deposit - after 1 confirmation
Withdrawal Time - ASAP
Minimum Dep and Withdrawal - 10$?
Rakeback - yes
Licenses for your region - yes
Customer support - yes
Language - english
Live-Chat - no
What currency to host the games in - bitcoin
Freerolls - yes
Free money to sign up - yes

Thank you for your feedback.
We will have several freeroll options as well as exciting new games never seen before specifically targeting new players

Hello and thank you so much for your insights. Indeed it seems you have a lot of knowledge in this vertical.

So just to make it clear, I am not building this software from scratch. Rather I am licencing a ready made poker software and am adding several elements and layers on it. Ontop of that, I am changing the design of the lobby and rooms. Both for download and mobile versions.

You have made some very interesting points and I will definitely take them into consideration.

As I mentioned on other posts, I actually have quite a bit of experience in building brands from the ground up, and have run some affiliate networks in the past. Never poker, but as a player, Ive seen them all (that's not to say that I know exactly what triggers new players to come and stick around).

I agree with you 100% regarding free money and overplaying freerolls. However, since we are dealing with bitcoins, I'm not so sure that we are talking about the same type of user, that's why I have asked the kind of questions that might sound quite obvious. I have noticed for example that bitcoin users are MUCH more sensitive to rake for example than normal users are.

Ive also noticed that most of the people ive spoken to within this community infact don't care too much about regulation, which I find odd as in real fiat currency the answer would be completely different.

Id be very interested talking to you more.
If youd like please send me your skype by mail here and ill add you.

Deposit and Withdrawal Time? Deposit - instant. Withdrawal - processed within 24 hrs.
Minimum Dep and Withdrawal? NO, especially no min withdrawal, at least not some ridiculously high min withdrawal.
Rakeback? YES, weighted, contributed, at least 27% or higher. Higher if you want to be competitive.
Licenses for your region? No
Customer support? Language? Live-Chat Yes, English
What currency to host the games in? Bitcoin or chips converted from Bitcoin
Freerolls? Don't care. Freerolls just attract non-depositors mostly, imo.
Free money to sign up? Don't care, especially if the play requirement to unlock funds is unreasonable.
Rake percentage? Low, especially for heads-up/ short handed tables

VIP/Loyalty Rewards Program - Yes

Fast withdrawals, a generous VIP/Loyalty Rewards program, good rakeback and excellent customer support are more important (to me, at least) than any amount of freerolls and/or deposit bonuses.

Freerolls would really be nothing compared on Rakebacks and as you said the ratio would really be like that when it comes to free rolls/free money. Its the most common thing that is being used as of now but it wont really be much more effective since people would really rather choose up rakebacks including me. Suggested things on earlier post are good there no need to repeat.

Hi MileWilda.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Indeed I am working right on coding a rakeback system where players will be rewarded a percentage of rake according to the size of table they sit on. For example high stakes may receive 30% rakeback, mid-stake 25% all the way down to micro which might be 5-10%. that way we also reward the higher limit players.

In my view, freerolls are still good for almost any brand. It helps new players to get accustomed to playing and veteran players just to get a feeling for the vibe of the software.

If that rakeback system is part of some earned rewards program in which the various rake percentages are in addition to a base standard rakeback % that every player gets no matter what stakes they play, then maybe.

But if that rakeback schedule is what you plan as the base rakeback for all players - i.e. according to the stakes they play, then you will never get any mid, low, or micro stakes players as they will play at other sites where they will get better rakeback obviously. All you will get is high stakes players who are ok with just 30% rakeback, not including any additional effective rakeback from VIP/Loyalty rewards if any. Which is fine if that is the only players you are looking for. It certainly won't include any freeroll players, that's for sure. I guess you'd also get clueless players who don't even know what rakeback is and who wouldn't know any better anyways.

I agree with what you are trying to do here by getting input before launch however I think the only important factor is start-up capital.

Programming and developement these days is very cheap compared to the required capital needed to run a gambling site.

I think unless you got at least >25BTC available for gambling capital then the rest shouldn't be attempted.

Reason being you might have a bad week and one whale can take the entire sites BTC wallet and what happens then? Everybody who deposited will get nothing.

Deposit and Withdrawal Time?   2-3 days is fine with me
Minimum Dep and Withdrawal? there should be no min deposit... but with 100k fee i don't see people doing less then 0.01
Rakeback?     i don't really worry about the rake back id pref 40% of all rake turned into player tier freerolls
Licenses for your region? never matters rooms with them has scammed before.
Customer support? Language? Live-Chat      this is the key.... have nice support not ones who give a fake solution then closes chat.
What currency to host the games in?    id pref a currency 1btc=1,000,000 chips
Freerolls?
Free money to sign up? no... because you would need enough to cover all of the players and when there's free money  you get 10x the amount how ever much it is i wouldn't trust you had the funds to cover this without proof of your btc holdings.

Rake percentage? 5%


Now for my opinions...
when btc started blowing up there was like 10btc poker rooms "atleast"

swc
betcoin
infiniti
nitrogen
pokerdominico
pocketrockets
satoshipoker
and 2 others that i can't remember
one had a nice vs ai system.


And now swc is dead and betcoin is shit.
I wish i supported some of the other options.

That will be your biggest problem noone wants to play a site with low traffic... so you're gonna have to have an amazing launch....

If your software is good start in ico so you will have good promotions running until the traffic goes from low to med

don't waste funds for no deposit... 90% of people getting this will lose it within 5mins and never play there again.

I think these will get the most traffic for you.
Leagues... freerolls with no prize but ladders every week the top 10players win 0.01btc each

faucet 1k chips per 60mins (10k sat)

For the faucet or any no deposit offers it would be important to add brm feature...
Players can only enter with 5%-10% of there bankroll (Which can be disabled when they reach a higher tier)
this insures they don't play 5mins lose and quit... which will generate more rake plus keep a higher amount of traffic.




I agree with what you are trying to do here by getting input before launch however I think the only important factor is start-up capital.

Programming and developement these days is very cheap compared to the required capital needed to run a gambling site.

I think unless you got at least >25BTC available for gambling capital then the rest shouldn't be attempted.

Reason being you might have a bad week and one whale can take the entire sites BTC wallet and what happens then? Everybody who deposited will get nothing.
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That's why there's a rake "fee" if a whale cleans everyone the site doesn't go broke unless...... the owner runs promotions he can't cover

It seems like you are really experienced with this kind of things.
I mean, you are already making a pre-marketing strategy by asking the users of what a poker site should be.
I dont have much ideas about this. I just rely on the one's who created it and play the game and see the errors within while playing.
But we wont see it while it is not yet out.
I guess I will just be reading here to see the next things that will happen.
A good promotion now, you are already making users think it will be a good poker site because of this.

Hey thank you for responding.
Honestly, I'm not relying on bringing in new players by posting on this thread. Players come from marketing. But to fully understand how to market you got to engage with your users. From what I learned so far, BTC poker players are not the same as the typical fiat players you get on all the regular sites. So I opened this thread to get as much input as I can.

Hey thank you for responding

25BTC or around $50K is around the first phase marketing budget that I'm putting into this - pure marketing. Not promos. I'm not worried about the whale, he's welcome to join we'll be fine 😃

the topic will have a lot of spams ( started at post number 1 which was clearly a spam ) , so it's too much hustle for you
if you are serious about the site you should simply try to offer what others site not offering and at the same time don't lose money
so a higher rakeback or a good vip system should be great , also of course a good software

and my best advice is not to offer crazy freerolls , cause during my experience here freerolls weren't a success at all
sites that offered big freerolls at their launch  don't exist now , players who cashed simply made withdrawals
so true poker players don't need freerolls , it would be better if you offer freerolls for real players like rake X amount and win a ticket

Thanks for your input.
Not planning on crazy freerolls, but don't you think a few freerolls a day will bring Afew potential real players to try the software out?

No.

ONE freeroll maximum (for a small reward) without any prerequisites. The rest should have X rake accumulation requirements so you know it's real players. Then it becomes an additional rakeback opportunity.

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You want to reward persistent players with freerolls, not the degenerate masses that will flood in.

agreed with that
if you have new poker site please dont make creazy freeroll with big prize pool , im sure you can got flooded fake player on there after the freeroll finished everyone just leave and withdraw your free money with nothing feedback.

daily freeroll its good advice for started promotion

"I am currently under development of a new software for a poker room."

We don't need a Brand. We need a poker room with adequate management to acquire enough traffic for normal play. Currently if a bitcoin poker room have more than a single ring table running, it's like a real holiday.

IMO the best way to promote it is to have MTTs with guaranteed or added coins to the prize pools. Freerolls are only attracting... freerollers.

I agree! I have already taken into consideration the possibility of losing afew bitcoins over GTD tournaments for the first 3-5 months of launch. But also for cash players, we are now coding a new system for rakeback, where you will see how much rakeback you are generating on the fly, per session. ill shed out some more info on that regards closer to launch time.

thank you for your feedback. Its always good to hear

Free money to signup is always good.

I have better things to do with my time than gamble, but if sites want to give me a chunk of money for spinning some colorful slot machine, or flipping card on screen - well they are paying me so I'll do it:)

If you haven't done so already, try asking the same question on 2+2 forum. I'd also advise you to study current business and legal environment. To do that, try either onlinepokerreport or pokerindustrypro - this is paid service, but I think it's worth it (or at least it was back when I was using it).

I haven't asked on 2+2 yet. I'll give it a shot. In my opinion though, the average poker player on fiat currencies wouldn't feel the same about a btc brand. But, Ill try regardless.

thank you for the websites, I know onlinepokerreport. Ill check the other one out for sure.


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Poker is a group game so basic target should be to drive in
nice amount players in table which a poker can do by making some daily programs and freerolls. Without it a poker site can become dull very soon (as what happened with luckyflop)

You can also achieve the same by making another platform (maybe like dice or sports betting or casino )along with it.

Also I think something like Lolyalty token/program would be good for making gamblers stick to site.

Somehow if they have good security, they should be able to maintain only one account per ip, so i do not think there is bothering thing to make huge freeroll. More over if one new site is made, of course they need some huge prize to attract some players, so many of them will try to win something here, without these things, there will be no players and your site will be down for sure

25BTC for starting promotion your site?its good enough,i think people with big budget will easy to promote their site.
in my opinon,
Deposit and Withdrawal Time? this is should be anytime,of course
Minimum Dep and Withdrawal? if you can,this should be unlimited
Rakeback? this is your choice
Licenses for your region? if you can,all country
Customer support? Language? Live-Chat must have
What currency to host the games in? bitcoin and etherum enough
Freerolls? yes
Free money to sign up? for a  week or month will be good

Thanks for your input.
The issues revolving security measures are way more elaborate than simply having one account per i.p. infact, most poker rooms close due to security breaches that get out of control. It is hard to maintain, but I honestly believe that we have what it takes to make our users feel secure while depositing, withdrawing and playing on our tables.

Freerolls and other promos I suppose MUST be on every poker brand. However, I do agree with the previous post that there is no need to overextend free cash. We are working on a new system, a new type of game that will allow new users to be able to win some very nice prizes/cash without having to risk anything (or a very small amount). It will be a perfect game to introduce them to real money. More info ahead :)

It is easiest way to understand the marketing bitcoin. But yes you are right they not even fiat players. Everyone comes from a random websites. Play here. If some of them are lucky then they can easily swap a market while other are seeking the problem how to win. But BTC poker players are the genius players who can win everywhere in gambling sites of bitcoin.

For me what is the most important being a  big gambler is the licence. I am forced to declare any winnings every year and if the casino is not legit, it can be bad for me.

As deposit time, I think now it is not a problem, 1 confirmation is still quite fast.

What  I would like to see is multiple crypto over there and the coins to be changed and users to play only with chips from the website.

Hi. thanks for your feedback.

We will have multiple crypro-currency option for deposit and withdrawal. Once you deposit in lets say, btc, you will have btc in your poker wallet. Once you sit on a cash table, your btc you bring with you to the table will get converted to USD (on demand) and automatically back to btc when leaving the table. This way you can have multiple cryptos in your poker wallet and play with players that have deposited in a different crypto.

We have decided against giving away free money.
We will have daily freerolls and a new type of tournament for new players. Where you can make some real BIG prizes without having to deposit.
Will keep you updated.

Right off the top I can say that the differences between bitcoin users and fiat users, is that bitcoin users expect to have their deposits and withdrawals expedited without hassle, they do not want to be burdened by the KYC/AML restrictions, and they want accurate bitcoin to usd price discovery.  If you do not plan to provide those assurances, then you might as well use fiat...

Thank you for your input.
Would you think that 6-12 hour processing time for withdrawal would be fair?
and what do you think the minimum withdrawal ought to be. Taking into consideration that the site will host multiple daily freerolls etc...

Thanks

I would prefer a good ranking system (with the opponents of my level) and Free money to sign up

Hi.

Can you give a name of a brand (fiat or btc) that has a good ranking system. I'd like to learn more about that. I personally don't see how that can be done (accurately anyway) - but id love to learn more.

Free money sign-ups - Not sure were going that route, but we definitely will have plenty of good freerolls and promos.

thanks for sharing your thoughts.

you want open new poker site ?

1. Deposit and Withdrawal Time? instant payment, after gambler request can process
2 Minimum Dep and Withdrawal? if support doge is good because can withdraw use minimum money because doge low rate, if only use bitcoin maybe 100k satoshi
3 Rakeback? , not important, can promote in bitcointalk use wager contest, another competition, or use signature campaign
4 Licenses for your region? if good use license, maybe use swisscasino
5 Customer support? Language? Live-Chat, livechat and support chatbox with moderation active is good can support rain give
6 What currency to host the games in?, another bitcoin is good use dogecoin
7 Freerolls? , yes can incraese new member, and try youre site

Deposit Time - Instant and Withdrawal Time - Process requests within 1-2 hours
Minimum Dep - 100k and Min Withdrawal - 200k
Rakeback - No
Licenses for your region? - No
Customer support? Language? Live-Chat  - Yes, of course. Live-chat should be in the first place
What currency to host the games in? Bitcoin only
Freerolls? Yes: for begginers, weekly, monthly
Free money to sign up? - No, You can give 100% bonus to new players when registering (of course  with the wagering  :)).
Rake percentage? 2-3%

6-12 hour for withdrawal is still acceptable but I think it should be faster like within an hour only. Instant would be much more better because bitcoin players like instant withdrawal. Processing it longer may give huge effect because bitcoin price maybe changed significantly while waiting for the withdrawal.
If you are going to have multiple daily freerolls then you should make a bit higher minimum withdraw to avoid freerollers who just play the freeroll then withdraw after win, ofc it is also depend on the freeroll's prizes.

There are a lot of Poker games around but none of them is social.
If i have a developer team i will look for Zynga Poker. Its social and too many player.

Why you not try to make a poker game similar to Zynga Poker with BTC features?

For example 1 chip will be 1 satoshi. Engage with social platforms let people send chips each other.
And player may cashout their chips.

It will be fun and you will profit huge!

Thank you for taking the time to respond.
I have taken your points under consideration

Yes it is all about traffic where in other famous sites there are a lot of ads where people click and directed to gambling website after playing they become an interesting so there is no doubt on understanding marketing bitcoin. Because that's all what I have mentioned so i hopefully that you got all the knowledge about marketing in bitcoin in just simple sentence.

thank you for your feedback

We are creating a similar game to what you are implying. I cant give too many details as of yet as we are still coding the implantation of this idea.
You are on the right track. That's all I can say for now :)

Lol! You have got really good plans. You are really smart though. Of course, they are going to pay you and you should go for these in your free time. Some gambling sites are scam not all. It’s good to give authentic sites a try to grab a good amount of money. I also like getting money for sign ups. That’s the easiest way of earning. Do share such websites that are offering this. That would e generous act indeed.

It would be nice if the poker room will support multiple platforms: web, desktop, mobile.  :)

A question to all the people who are saying "no" to rakeback. Why would you say no to rakeback? Do you even know what rakeback is? If you don't know what rakeback is, rakeback is when the poker site gives back to you part of the rake that they take from the pots that you contribute to. Rakeback is the site giving back to you a portion of the tax/fee they charge for each hand played. Why would you not want that? Rakeback is pretty standard for poker sites. And no rollrover/play-through to receive rakeback that you earn from playing is also the standard. At least it's the standard for any site that wants to attract and keep players.

So again, why would you say "no" to rakeback? That's just weird. Rakeback is like the second most import thing, next to fast withdrawals and security/integrity of their games, of course.

Maybe because betcoin.ag stole rakeback and players are disappointed now?

Scam alert! Betcoinrakeback.com stole players money (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1903130.0)

For me it's strange also. To say NO for something you are getting for free?! All sites are taking rake and getting a rakeback is just kind of bonus which cost you nothing. In fiat poker eco system it's almost obligatory to play with rakeback if you want to win some money due to many other good players.

Dude, you're a clown. Using my post to hijack OP's thread in order to promote your scam agenda is such a reach, it's laughable - not to mention, shows what an utter and shameless scumbag you are. Do you work for CNN or the DNC or what? You must. Aside from that, your logic/thought process makes no sense whatsoever. You are basically suggesting that the reason players don't want rakeback on a new poker site is because they are disappointed about a rakeback problem that a different poker site - completely unrelated and unaffiliated to this one - had in the past? That's like saying, "People don't want cash back on their VISA card purchases because Mastercard had some problems with their own cash back program in the past."

Like I said, you are a clown. Though I do find it amusing how betcoin.ag is to you like President Trump is to the Liberal leftist moon bats, including the Fake News media. No matter how hard you disparage and hope betcoin.ag fails, it just keeps on keeping on despite all your efforts. Damn, son.

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Exactly. It's hard enough to beat the game/profit as it is. But to try to do it without rakeback, why even make it tougher for yourself when you can play at poker sites that do have competitive rakeback? I don't get it. I guess if the site is super soft, then maybe. But even super soft sites eventually attract all the regs and the squishy softness is no longer.

Absolutely laughable to see how you prefer to make 10,000 nonsense posts instead of simply put the proof of your scam accusation on the table and get 5 BTC at once: Get 5 BTC for proof who Game Protect scammed and for how much? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1769527.msg17668097#msg17668097)

After the introduction of eking657's poker brand, the publicly proven Betcoin.ag scam! (https://game-protect.com/betcoin-ag-scam/) will lose even more customers! :D

Honestly I put the question of rakeback out there for this specific purpose. I wanted to see how many people would respond to free money and freerolls more than rakeback.

You are absolutely correct Junko. A real poker player would indeed prefer rakeback any day of the week, rather than getting 1mbtc free. But the question has to be asked. Its a kind of way for me to fully understand what I'm up against when opening this poker room. btc poker seems so different to traditional sites, and that actually has nothing to do with fiat or crypto currencies.

In regards to BetCoin, I cant give my input as I haven't played there. But from what I hear, they offered players promos and bonus' they couldn't stand by. That's why I'm properly doing my research, as I prefer to offer less, but stick to my word. So we'll have to see how this plays out.

What is for absolutely sure, I'm building the rakeback structure according to blind. $0.01/0.02 will receive a very low perhaps no rakeback. and as you climb the blinds you receive more rakeback - we are coding this now inside the actual table, so you can see your rakeback accumulated per session.

@OP: Regarding the question of rakeback, yes, it is an eye opener for sure and made me super curious. Very interesting, indeed. With the attrition rate that bitcoin poker/gambling sites have had over the years - and as you pointed out, the problems, issues, flaws and mistakes other poker sites such as betcoin.ag have had in the recent and distant past - it would be a prudent thing for a new start up to do thier market reseach as you are doing now so as to give themselves the best chance for success.

Anyway, I wish you and your site success and look forward to seeing what your poker site has to offer and trying it out when it opens. It's always good for players to have multiple options as far as places to play and just good for bitcoin poker in general.




@ game-protect: Just perusing the multitude of bullshittery on your website should be more than enough to convince anyone who possesses even just a shred of intelligence that you and your operation is just one big scam. Just because people aren't fool enough to fall for your bullshit doesn't make you any less of a scammer. A shitty scammer is still a scammer.

And once again, you show how clueless you are when it comes to poker players. Most real poker players are happy to try out new sites, as well as play regularly on various different poker sites. Most real poker players, as well as poker sites that are confident in their product, aren't afraid of competition and welcome different and competing poker sites. Multiple co-existing successful bitcoin poker sites are good for players, good for the different bitcoin poker sites and good for bitcoin poker in general. You wouldn't understand that, obviously, with all your pretending to be a player advocate and your ulterior motives.

Why do you prefer to promote a shitty scammer?

So as we leap closer to launch date I wanted to update you guys with one of the features we are working right now to implement in our system.
Its called UBPlay (why its called that I'll leave for a different time)

Basically, we are going to introduce a game based on PLAY MONEY MODE.

And it goes like this:
When a new user signs up, he will be given 500 play chips that can be topped up once every 6 hours.
You can play any game you want , including cash games, tourneys, sitNgos.
Once you accumulate enough chips  you can purchase tickets for our events
8 events will run monthly, between mbtc100 - 1000 EVERY month.
Only way to enter the events is buy purchasing tickets through PLAY MONEY.
On May of every year we will host the Main Events of UBPlay, with prizes up to  BTC20

Players wishing to start with more than 500 play chips, or want to play bigger play tournaments can do so by purchasing play chips (kind of like on pokerstars, zyngapoker or wsop on facebook)

Value of chips: Every chip is worth 1 satoshi (however play chips can not be converted to real money)
Play chips can be purchsed at 1mbtc for 100,000 (as there are 100,000 satoshis in 1mbtc)

We believe this can be a really nice feature that can push newbies to become real money players and help new btc players get acquainted with how bitcoin works

REAL MONEY FEATURES WILL BE LISTED HERE SOON

nice ,
let us know when the website is ready and send details in private message about beta opening

thanks

will do

If anyone has a unique that they think could work for crypto poker, please share your thoughts here

Are you going to tear off a piece from Pokerstars?
These guys crushed the entire pool of players!
I do not know of a more convenient poker room. I know many are annoyed by the unnecessarily strict security service of PokerStars. I myself consider it superfluous, but this is the safety of our money. Here, caution can not be superfluous.
Do you know why PokerStars dominates?
Usability, usability, usability ...
Not the flag of the country and not the rakeback!
Give me an interesting project that can poke the PokerStars and I will be your investor first.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

We are not competing with PokerStars, if we were, I wouldn't invest my time nor money in this project.
Our brand, like most bitcoin related software, is completely anonymous. We accept players worldwide, without the need of users supplying KYC form, documents, licenses or addresses. Furthermore, we accept cryptocurrencies, that users can withdraw ALOT faster than any other fiat gaming brand.
The cost of depositing or withdrawals are minimal. The cost of marketing is also different, and as such, with less operating expenses, we can also give lower rake to our users (or more rakeback options).

Therefor, it is in my opinion, and my partners, that if we create a brand, that has all the necessary software capabilities, a good UI, good promotions, high level security, and a good chunk of money to put into marketing (which is something I have over 8 years of experience in) I believe a poker brand can be successful.

If you'd like to further discuss, pm me and we can take our conversation to a skype call.

Best

I don't like pokerstars, much more interesting poker place for me is 888, call it as you like its the taste, I like 888 more cause of the look, awesome promotions, prizes, tournaments, different cash games, reward and loyalty program. I open 888 poker every single day, I can't skip one day cause I always spin that wheel for some nice prize, ticket, 3$ sports bet, 5$ for casino...
When we talk about bitcoin poker my favorite site is the one I advertise betcoin.ag, nice tournaments, loyalty program is also good, there is some nice free tournaments.

Now about new site, everything is important, general experience must be very good. I think that we count everything starting from the look of your site, support, good promotion and bonuses for first players, rakeback, some leaderboards with prizes for people on that list, you need to think about everything before you see people on your poker tables. Most of us already have our favorite places, and you really need to offer something unique and a bit better then others to attract players to come to play poker in your site.

Your absolutely right. We have created some interesting new promo ideas, that I will announce when we are closer to launch.
In the meantime, check out my other post here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2069122.0

You can see the design of the poker brand were launching.

thanks

Will you be getting a gambling license for this poker room?

Deposit and Withdrawal Time?
Instant deposit. 1 confirmation if the fees is to low. Instant withdrawal as long as deposit is confirmed.

Minimum Dep and Withdrawal?
No limit when you use crypto as long as it covers miners fee.

Rakeback?
Low rake is better then rakeback. Freerolls for people who play. Some loyalty point scheme.

Licenses for your region?
No. Please no! Keep it unlicensed. Thats the future.

Customer support? Language? Live-Chat
Live chat is always great if they are competent and polite.

What currency to host the games in?
Bitcoin.

Freerolls?
Yes, for people who play with real money.

Free money to sign up?
A traditional sign up bonus that's easy to clear.

Rake percentage?
As low as possible. 1% at the lowest table. 2-3% at higher tables.

Hey , I m a Hyper Sit n Go Player , from other BTC Poker sites I know it s hard to get Sit and Gos running , so I think its best to focus on cashgame and MTT.
Rake: You should have a look at other bitcoin Poker sites , Betcoin for example has a very low rake for cash game , I think thats a nice way to attract players . For MTT 10% Rake is normal for regular and turbo Speed , For hyperTurbo MTTs you should go a bit lower.
Rakeback: Rakeback is very important for a sucessfull Pokerroom. It should depend on a VIP Lvl or something like that and range from 20% for the lowest lvl  to 60% for active users.

SignUp/Deposit Bonus/Freerolls Everyone loves Free stuff. But to be honest not a single good PokerPlayer enjoys playing them.
Instead of Freerolls , you should go with a little faucet ... for example 100-1000 satoshis every hour and run some very low cashgames (1sat/2sat Blinds) , to get new players into the game.  A first Deposit Bonus is always nice for example 100% up to 1BTC.

Heads up games are my favorite

with low rake (5% 50 cent usd equivalent cap)

Rake is lower than 5% on a full table, and will be even lower on a HU table. Moreover, every table you sit on you receive Rakeback, depending on table stakes. (Cap will vary and  depends on table stakes, but you can expect it to be lower than most fiat based poker rooms).

Thanks

@shtako being unlicensed will bring alot of issues. I have been in the industry for 10+ years.

@eking657 research servers, countries laws, ssl certification & payment intergration carefully if your not intending to get a gambling license. If you  intend to get this site live with a basic DV cert, 3rd party servers & 3rd party payment intergration it wont last very long. Another issue will be if you use your own hardware you will need more protection then simple DDOS, Injection and other software on the server. If a single incoming/outgoing connection is not secured someone can quite easily find the ports to attack. Once an ip can be located authorities will go after the domain, ssl and server company and if that fails they will go after your ISP. Poker is a high target for attacks & local gov.

From experience i would advise to prioritise security & dont use 3rd party api's, use your own hardware before even spending $1 on advertising. Software can be easily decompiled and reverse engineered to find exploits, logs & information for the server side.

As for marketing stick to the basics with poker, retention is quite low, aim for players in US, Canada, UK, New Zealand, Australia, Italy, Saudi, Ireland for a quicker return.

A few suggestions if your not thought of them already.
- Ensure any chat system is secure within the software (high target)
- Introduce a VIP system (keeps players returning for bonuses)
- Use multiple wallets so funds are split (Bank, Rake, Bonuses, Withdrawels etc) dont have all the funds in one bag.
- Backup server regulary.
- Only hire trusted staff members, limit support staff to certain controls & LOG every action.


Looking forward to see this develop, good luck with the project. Nice to see a developement thats not the crappy mavens poker engine.

I am aware there are many sites that to play poker for fiat in rummycircle, jungles ace123 and many sites provide the earning in online. Bitcoin related gambling site is available in huge numbers but we need to check the amount of stack limit according to your capacity.

Thank you very much for your comment.
Yes I'm WELL aware of all security measures you pointed out (well, most anyway  :o )
The aim is to get this brand as the number 1 crypto poker brand out there. In order to do that, the  brand can NOT be regulated whatsoever, simply for one reason and one only - It has to give the player the right to stay anonymous, which simply can not be done under any regulation.
We have a very strong tech and security team, which in all honesty, I think is probably the biggest expense we are incurring, otherwise building a new brand nowadays is actually a lot easier than it used to be, so I'm quite confident that this brand is here to stay and wont wither away after 3 - 6 months like many other bitcoin poker brands (and casinos) I have seen in the past 2-3 years.

Anyway, thank you so much for the advise, it is well noted.
And I will definitely send you a PM once we are ready to launch our beta.

Best.

Yeaaa considering bitcoin gambling sites include poker room run illegally , a license will be a good one.
Also don't run a completely free "freeroll" , just take a look to nitrogen poker freeroll requirement it is good.
A badbeat jackpot should be there and a new unique software that completely different with most poker room will make people not get bored & comfortable .

What issues will it bring?

The reality and my experience confirm exactly the opposite!


Please show examples where the local government went after online poker sites outside the US?

I think what he meant was, it MAY bring up an issue. From my experience, there shouldn't be a problem either, especially that our game-server is overseas, staff overseas and we are dealing with crypto-currencies, there should be little to no problem.

Yeah that's right we need to know, they have a license or not because this is the important thing before we select the site for play may be some people ignore it or doesn't know about it. what's wrong if they run a freeroll tournament? it's good way to promoted their site.

always new poker site is good but freroll need bee part off site new player come fast

Hello Bajing.

This poker room will NOT be going through a process of getting licensed. We thought about it, infact almost did it! But if we do it, we might as well make it a fiat poker brand.
The point of running a BTC and/or crypto poker room (or casino) is to ensure that users can stay anonymous, and have relatively fast withdrawals. Most fiat casinos and poker rooms take 48 hours minimum to withdraw and up to 14 days if your getting paid by cheque. Bitcoin withdrawals shouldn't take in anycase more than 12 hours (unless theres some kind of issue out of the casinos control, like on blockchain)

Freerolls - We will have freerolls running 24/7.
There will be several types of freerolls
Bronze level - everyone can join
Silver - Only silver can join (typically less players with a bigger prize pool)
Gold - "                                                                                               "
We will also have freerolls with RB/AO's

One of the biggest promos we are working on is the way our rakeback system works. Firstly, everyone playing on cash-games automatically gets rakeback.
The bigger buy-in tables will have a bigger rakeback - up to 50%
Our rakeback can be viewed on your table as you play (please refer to my other post with a photo of the poker table) we call it Rakeback-Per-Session as it lets you view how much rakeback you have generated on every table.
Unlike most brands, rakeback will be returned to players account the next day... instead of next week.

If your interested in more information, doesn't hesitate to contact me directly on pm.

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This is so nice. I'll be waiting for this one. I'm playing on PPPOKER apps in android using real money with my friends. If this one will use bitcoin or altcoins I would love to try this one. I'll an eye on this one. Good luck sir :)

Thank you very much!
I will keep you posted

looks nice.

.it would be good to have special qualifying tournaments for players that play a certain amount oh realmoney hands.
.freerolls tend to be all in all the time games. gets old.
.bounties/knockout tournaments are always fun.
.web client a huge plus.

Hi Tues.

Sorry for the late reply.

Please have a look at our post here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2069122.0

We will have several options for freerolls, according to VIP level.

Additionally, we are running a unique type of game based on faucet/play money with the chance to get into our UBEvents, with real cash prizes.

Have a look at the post, and if you have any further questions let me know

any updates on the site ? Beta is going to  launch on October 1st still  ? 
Will you need testers for the pre-beta before you release it ? If you do you can count me in as TestMonkey for a few satoshis.

We should be good to go on the 1st, as mentioned on the other post.
However, we may have to postpone the beta date by a few days. We are still working on getting the website done, and getting bitcoin processing synced to our system.

When the beta starts, I will be giving every new user 1 mBTC NO DEPOSIT BONUS for testing out Ultimatebit, as well as exclusive BETA freerolls.

Please look at my other posts for updates.

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