New Poker Brand for BTC

[eking657]

Right off the top I can say that the differences between bitcoin users and fiat users, is that bitcoin users expect to have their deposits and withdrawals expedited without hassle, they do not want to be burdened by the KYC/AML restrictions, and they want accurate bitcoin to usd price discovery.  If you do not plan to provide those assurances, then you might as well use fiat...

Thank you for your input.
Would you think that 6-12 hour processing time for withdrawal would be fair?
and what do you think the minimum withdrawal ought to be. Taking into consideration that the site will host multiple daily freerolls etc...

Thanks

[vc888888]

I would prefer a good ranking system (with the opponents of my level) and Free money to sign up

[eking657]

I would prefer a good ranking system (with the opponents of my level) and Free money to sign up

Hi.

Can you give a name of a brand (fiat or btc) that has a good ranking system. I'd like to learn more about that. I personally don't see how that can be done (accurately anyway) - but id love to learn more.

Free money sign-ups - Not sure were going that route, but we definitely will have plenty of good freerolls and promos.

thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[cengsuwuei]

you want open new poker site ?

1. Deposit and Withdrawal Time? instant payment, after gambler request can process
2 Minimum Dep and Withdrawal? if support doge is good because can withdraw use minimum money because doge low rate, if only use bitcoin maybe 100k satoshi
3 Rakeback? , not important, can promote in bitcointalk use wager contest, another competition, or use signature campaign
4 Licenses for your region? if good use license, maybe use swisscasino
5 Customer support? Language? Live-Chat, livechat and support chatbox with moderation active is good can support rain give
6 What currency to host the games in?, another bitcoin is good use dogecoin
7 Freerolls? , yes can incraese new member, and try youre site

[BitMaver]

Deposit Time - Instant and Withdrawal Time - Process requests within 1-2 hours
Minimum Dep - 100k and Min Withdrawal - 200k
Rakeback - No
Licenses for your region? - No
Customer support? Language? Live-Chat  - Yes, of course. Live-chat should be in the first place
What currency to host the games in? Bitcoin only
Freerolls? Yes: for begginers, weekly, monthly
Free money to sign up? - No, You can give 100% bonus to new players when registering (of course  with the wagering  ).
Rake percentage? 2-3%

[Bitinity]

Right off the top I can say that the differences between bitcoin users and fiat users, is that bitcoin users expect to have their deposits and withdrawals expedited without hassle, they do not want to be burdened by the KYC/AML restrictions, and they want accurate bitcoin to usd price discovery.  If you do not plan to provide those assurances, then you might as well use fiat...

Thank you for your input.
Would you think that 6-12 hour processing time for withdrawal would be fair?
and what do you think the minimum withdrawal ought to be. Taking into consideration that the site will host multiple daily freerolls etc...

Thanks

6-12 hour for withdrawal is still acceptable but I think it should be faster like within an hour only. Instant would be much more better because bitcoin players like instant withdrawal. Processing it longer may give huge effect because bitcoin price maybe changed significantly while waiting for the withdrawal.
If you are going to have multiple daily freerolls then you should make a bit higher minimum withdraw to avoid freerollers who just play the freeroll then withdraw after win, ofc it is also depend on the freeroll's prizes.

[adam1230]

There are a lot of Poker games around but none of them is social.
If i have a developer team i will look for Zynga Poker. Its social and too many player.

Why you not try to make a poker game similar to Zynga Poker with BTC features?

For example 1 chip will be 1 satoshi. Engage with social platforms let people send chips each other.
And player may cashout their chips.

It will be fun and you will profit huge!

[eking657]

you want open new poker site ?

1. Deposit and Withdrawal Time? instant payment, after gambler request can process
2 Minimum Dep and Withdrawal? if support doge is good because can withdraw use minimum money because doge low rate, if only use bitcoin maybe 100k satoshi
3 Rakeback? , not important, can promote in bitcointalk use wager contest, another competition, or use signature campaign
4 Licenses for your region? if good use license, maybe use swisscasino
5 Customer support? Language? Live-Chat, livechat and support chatbox with moderation active is good can support rain give
6 What currency to host the games in?, another bitcoin is good use dogecoin
7 Freerolls? , yes can incraese new member, and try youre site

Thank you for taking the time to respond.
I have taken your points under consideration

[justspare]

Hey thank you for responding.
Honestly, I'm not relying on bringing in new players by posting on this thread. Players come from marketing. But to fully understand how to market you got to engage with your users. From what I learned so far, BTC poker players are not the same as the typical fiat players you get on all the regular sites. So I opened this thread to get as much input as I can.

It is easiest way to understand the marketing bitcoin. But yes you are right they not even fiat players. Everyone comes from a random websites. Play here. If some of them are lucky then they can easily swap a market while other are seeking the problem how to win. But BTC poker players are the genius players who can win everywhere in gambling sites of bitcoin.

Yes it is all about traffic where in other famous sites there are a lot of ads where people click and directed to gambling website after playing they become an interesting so there is no doubt on understanding marketing bitcoin. Because that's all what I have mentioned so i hopefully that you got all the knowledge about marketing in bitcoin in just simple sentence.

[eking657]

Hey thank you for responding.
Honestly, I'm not relying on bringing in new players by posting on this thread. Players come from marketing. But to fully understand how to market you got to engage with your users. From what I learned so far, BTC poker players are not the same as the typical fiat players you get on all the regular sites. So I opened this thread to get as much input as I can.

It is easiest way to understand the marketing bitcoin. But yes you are right they not even fiat players. Everyone comes from a random websites. Play here. If some of them are lucky then they can easily swap a market while other are seeking the problem how to win. But BTC poker players are the genius players who can win everywhere in gambling sites of bitcoin.

Yes it is all about traffic where in other famous sites there are a lot of ads where people click and directed to gambling website after playing they become an interesting so there is no doubt on understanding marketing bitcoin. Because that's all what I have mentioned so i hopefully that you got all the knowledge about marketing in bitcoin in just simple sentence.

thank you for your feedback

[eking657]

There are a lot of Poker games around but none of them is social.
If i have a developer team i will look for Zynga Poker. Its social and too many player.

Why you not try to make a poker game similar to Zynga Poker with BTC features?

For example 1 chip will be 1 satoshi. Engage with social platforms let people send chips each other.
And player may cashout their chips.

It will be fun and you will profit huge!

We are creating a similar game to what you are implying. I cant give too many details as of yet as we are still coding the implantation of this idea.
You are on the right track. That's all I can say for now

[FLoving]

Free money to signup is always good.

I have better things to do with my time than gamble, but if sites want to give me a chunk of money for spinning some colorful slot machine, or flipping card on screen - well they are paying me so I'll do it:)

Lol! You have got really good plans. You are really smart though. Of course, they are going to pay you and you should go for these in your free time. Some gambling sites are scam not all. It’s good to give authentic sites a try to grab a good amount of money. I also like getting money for sign ups. That’s the easiest way of earning. Do share such websites that are offering this. That would e generous act indeed.

[BitMaver]

It would be nice if the poker room will support multiple platforms: web, desktop, mobile. 

[Junko]

A question to all the people who are saying "no" to rakeback. Why would you say no to rakeback? Do you even know what rakeback is? If you don't know what rakeback is, rakeback is when the poker site gives back to you part of the rake that they take from the pots that you contribute to. Rakeback is the site giving back to you a portion of the tax/fee they charge for each hand played. Why would you not want that? Rakeback is pretty standard for poker sites. And no rollrover/play-through to receive rakeback that you earn from playing is also the standard. At least it's the standard for any site that wants to attract and keep players.

So again, why would you say "no" to rakeback? That's just weird. Rakeback is like the second most import thing, next to fast withdrawals and security/integrity of their games, of course.

[game-protect]

A question to all the people who are saying "no" to rakeback. Why would you say no to rakeback? Do you even know what rakeback is? If you don't know what rakeback is, rakeback is when the poker site gives back to you part of the rake that they take from the pots that you contribute to. Rakeback is the site giving back to you a portion of the tax/fee they charge for each hand played. Why would you not want that? Rakeback is pretty standard for poker sites. And no rollrover/play-through to receive rakeback that you earn from playing is also the standard. At least it's the standard for any site that wants to attract and keep players.

So again, why would you say "no" to rakeback? That's just weird. Rakeback is like the second most import thing, next to fast withdrawals and security/integrity of their games, of course.

Maybe because betcoin.ag stole rakeback and players are disappointed now?

Scam alert! Betcoinrakeback.com stole players money

[kolesozw]

A question to all the people who are saying "no" to rakeback. Why would you say no to rakeback? Do you even know what rakeback is? If you don't know what rakeback is, rakeback is when the poker site gives back to you part of the rake that they take from the pots that you contribute to. Rakeback is the site giving back to you a portion of the tax/fee they charge for each hand played. Why would you not want that? Rakeback is pretty standard for poker sites. And no rollrover/play-through to receive rakeback that you earn from playing is also the standard. At least it's the standard for any site that wants to attract and keep players.

So again, why would you say "no" to rakeback? That's just weird. Rakeback is like the second most import thing, next to fast withdrawals and security/integrity of their games, of course.

For me it's strange also. To say NO for something you are getting for free?! All sites are taking rake and getting a rakeback is just kind of bonus which cost you nothing. In fiat poker eco system it's almost obligatory to play with rakeback if you want to win some money due to many other good players.

[Junko]

A question to all the people who are saying "no" to rakeback. Why would you say no to rakeback? Do you even know what rakeback is? If you don't know what rakeback is, rakeback is when the poker site gives back to you part of the rake that they take from the pots that you contribute to. Rakeback is the site giving back to you a portion of the tax/fee they charge for each hand played. Why would you not want that? Rakeback is pretty standard for poker sites. And no rollrover/play-through to receive rakeback that you earn from playing is also the standard. At least it's the standard for any site that wants to attract and keep players.

So again, why would you say "no" to rakeback? That's just weird. Rakeback is like the second most import thing, next to fast withdrawals and security/integrity of their games, of course.

Maybe because betcoin.ag stole rakeback and players are disappointed now?

Scam alert! Betcoinrakeback.com stole players money

Dude, you're a clown. Using my post to hijack OP's thread in order to promote your scam agenda is such a reach, it's laughable - not to mention, shows what an utter and shameless scumbag you are. Do you work for CNN or the DNC or what? You must. Aside from that, your logic/thought process makes no sense whatsoever. You are basically suggesting that the reason players don't want rakeback on a new poker site is because they are disappointed about a rakeback problem that a different poker site - completely unrelated and unaffiliated to this one - had in the past? That's like saying, "People don't want cash back on their VISA card purchases because Mastercard had some problems with their own cash back program in the past."

Like I said, you are a clown. Though I do find it amusing how betcoin.ag is to you like President Trump is to the Liberal leftist moon bats, including the Fake News media. No matter how hard you disparage and hope betcoin.ag fails, it just keeps on keeping on despite all your efforts. Damn, son.

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For me it's strange also. To say NO for something you are getting for free?! All sites are taking rake and getting a rakeback is just kind of bonus which cost you nothing. In fiat poker eco system it's almost obligatory to play with rakeback if you want to win some money due to many other good players.

Exactly. It's hard enough to beat the game/profit as it is. But to try to do it without rakeback, why even make it tougher for yourself when you can play at poker sites that do have competitive rakeback? I don't get it. I guess if the site is super soft, then maybe. But even super soft sites eventually attract all the regs and the squishy softness is no longer.

[game-protect]

Using my post to hijack OP's thread in order to promote your scam agenda is such a reach, it's laughable - not to mention, shows what an utter and shameless scumbag you are.

Absolutely laughable to see how you prefer to make 10,000 nonsense posts instead of simply put the proof of your scam accusation on the table and get 5 BTC at once: Get 5 BTC for proof who Game Protect scammed and for how much?

After the introduction of eking657's poker brand, the publicly proven Betcoin.ag scam! will lose even more customers!

[eking657]

A question to all the people who are saying "no" to rakeback. Why would you say no to rakeback? Do you even know what rakeback is? If you don't know what rakeback is, rakeback is when the poker site gives back to you part of the rake that they take from the pots that you contribute to. Rakeback is the site giving back to you a portion of the tax/fee they charge for each hand played. Why would you not want that? Rakeback is pretty standard for poker sites. And no rollrover/play-through to receive rakeback that you earn from playing is also the standard. At least it's the standard for any site that wants to attract and keep players.

So again, why would you say "no" to rakeback? That's just weird. Rakeback is like the second most import thing, next to fast withdrawals and security/integrity of their games, of course.

Honestly I put the question of rakeback out there for this specific purpose. I wanted to see how many people would respond to free money and freerolls more than rakeback.

You are absolutely correct Junko. A real poker player would indeed prefer rakeback any day of the week, rather than getting 1mbtc free. But the question has to be asked. Its a kind of way for me to fully understand what I'm up against when opening this poker room. btc poker seems so different to traditional sites, and that actually has nothing to do with fiat or crypto currencies.

In regards to BetCoin, I cant give my input as I haven't played there. But from what I hear, they offered players promos and bonus' they couldn't stand by. That's why I'm properly doing my research, as I prefer to offer less, but stick to my word. So we'll have to see how this plays out.

What is for absolutely sure, I'm building the rakeback structure according to blind. $0.01/0.02 will receive a very low perhaps no rakeback. and as you climb the blinds you receive more rakeback - we are coding this now inside the actual table, so you can see your rakeback accumulated per session.

[Junko]

A question to all the people who are saying "no" to rakeback. Why would you say no to rakeback? Do you even know what rakeback is? If you don't know what rakeback is, rakeback is when the poker site gives back to you part of the rake that they take from the pots that you contribute to. Rakeback is the site giving back to you a portion of the tax/fee they charge for each hand played. Why would you not want that? Rakeback is pretty standard for poker sites. And no rollrover/play-through to receive rakeback that you earn from playing is also the standard. At least it's the standard for any site that wants to attract and keep players.

So again, why would you say "no" to rakeback? That's just weird. Rakeback is like the second most import thing, next to fast withdrawals and security/integrity of their games, of course.

Honestly I put the question of rakeback out there for this specific purpose. I wanted to see how many people would respond to free money and freerolls more than rakeback.

You are absolutely correct Junko. A real poker player would indeed prefer rakeback any day of the week, rather than getting 1mbtc free. But the question has to be asked. Its a kind of way for me to fully understand what I'm up against when opening this poker room. btc poker seems so different to traditional sites, and that actually has nothing to do with fiat or crypto currencies.

In regards to BetCoin, I cant give my input as I haven't played there. But from what I hear, they offered players promos and bonus' they couldn't stand by. That's why I'm properly doing my research, as I prefer to offer less, but stick to my word. So we'll have to see how this plays out.

What is for absolutely sure, I'm building the rakeback structure according to blind. $0.01/0.02 will receive a very low perhaps no rakeback. and as you climb the blinds you receive more rakeback - we are coding this now inside the actual table, so you can see your rakeback accumulated per session.

@OP: Regarding the question of rakeback, yes, it is an eye opener for sure and made me super curious. Very interesting, indeed. With the attrition rate that bitcoin poker/gambling sites have had over the years - and as you pointed out, the problems, issues, flaws and mistakes other poker sites such as betcoin.ag have had in the recent and distant past - it would be a prudent thing for a new start up to do thier market reseach as you are doing now so as to give themselves the best chance for success.

Anyway, I wish you and your site success and look forward to seeing what your poker site has to offer and trying it out when it opens. It's always good for players to have multiple options as far as places to play and just good for bitcoin poker in general.

Using my post to hijack OP's thread in order to promote your scam agenda is such a reach, it's laughable - not to mention, shows what an utter and shameless scumbag you are.

Absolutely laughable to see how you prefer to make 10,000 nonsense posts instead of simply put the proof of your scam accusation on the table and get 5 BTC at once: Get 5 BTC for proof who Game Protect scammed and for how much?

After the introduction of eking657's poker brand, the publicly proven Betcoin.ag scam! will lose even more customers!

@ game-protect: Just perusing the multitude of bullshittery on your website should be more than enough to convince anyone who possesses even just a shred of intelligence that you and your operation is just one big scam. Just because people aren't fool enough to fall for your bullshit doesn't make you any less of a scammer. A shitty scammer is still a scammer.

And once again, you show how clueless you are when it comes to poker players. Most real poker players are happy to try out new sites, as well as play regularly on various different poker sites. Most real poker players, as well as poker sites that are confident in their product, aren't afraid of competition and welcome different and competing poker sites. Multiple co-existing successful bitcoin poker sites are good for players, good for the different bitcoin poker sites and good for bitcoin poker in general. You wouldn't understand that, obviously, with all your pretending to be a player advocate and your ulterior motives.