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Title: [ANN] ANANAS - Tech against hate [Pre-sale live]
Post by: ANA_Anacoin on July 19, 2017, 03:39:48 PM
Announcement
ANANAS - Tech against hate

This is the main announcement thread for Anacoin, the token of the Ananas platform.

Please refer here for the latest updates and announcements

Bounty Thread  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2035304/)
2% of total coins in existence at main sale, 200,000 available
Questions: Bounty@ananas.org.uk

Join us on Slack, First 1337 memberss recieve 10 anacoin, post tokensale (https://slack.anacoin.io/)

 One Page Overview (https://medium.com/ananas-blog/crypto-against-extremism-anacoin-88237f5bcd84)
White Paper (https://docsend.com/view/gpwnqam/)

 Announcement Thread  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2035149/)
Website (https://anacoin.io//)
Questions: information@ananas.org.uk

 Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/ANA.anacoin/)
 Twitter  (https://twitter.com/ANA_Anacoin//)
 Reddit  (https://www.reddit.com/r/Anacoin//)
 Medium blog (https://medium.com/ananas-blog/)


Pre-sale Start Date: 20th July 09:00 AM GMT – 100% bonus.

Pre-sale End Date: 06th August 11:59 PM GMT

Presale instructions and wallet address  (https://anacoin.io/presale/)

Sale Timeline:

• 20th July: Pre-sale/Token Campaign Begins
• 6th August: Pre-sale Ends
• 9th September: Token sale Begins
• 7th October: Token sale Ends

Our Vision

What if you could learn about Hinduism from the perspective of Christianity?

Visualise the differences between Republican and Democrat healthcare approaches?

Understand if ISIS is Islamic?

At the Ananas Foundation, a UK-registered charity (http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=1164664&subid=0), we are building a platform to do this by mapping ideologies in a common digital format and providing easy to use tools necessary to contextually navigate them.

Information without context can never be knowledge and knowledge without experience cannot be wisdom.

Our modern approach to information analysis and presentation gives us the opportunity to bridge the gap to knowledge by providing context.

This is especially important at a time when our social media bubbles and politics are causing increasing divisions in our societies and extremist groups are rapidly rising.

We have constructed the Ananas platform to provide an objective source for subjective knowledge.

Our first focus is on Islam, starting with its core text, the Quran, to help combat growing jihadist terrorism and Islamophobia.

We have created a unique structure to facilitate the creation of this based on our token, the Anacoin. This is a private economy that incentivises the creation and collation of unstructured and structured data, building a resource that is comprehensive, up-to-date and authoritative.

As the value of the contextual content increases, the value of the ecosystem should also rise in turn, creating a unique structure to align incentives and reward those who have contributed to building this vital resource.

This creates real value by leveraging the crowd of individuals who would both like to understand how ideologies are formed better as well as fight extremists looking to pervert these ideologies for political gain.

As the community grows and in response to its demands, we will map out more ideologies in a common data format and provide easy to access tools to navigate and understand them.

We believe our project is necessary in an increasingly complex world and invite your suggestions and help to make a real difference.

It will not eliminate extremism, but we believe it is a necessary, if not sufficient part in the fight against it while helping many people explore their own traditions and beliefs.

This must be a community effort and we welcome your help and input in achieving our goals.

The best suggestion to improve our platform will receive a special bonus, details to be announced soon!

Who we are  (https://anacoin.io/aboutus//)

The Ananas team consists of a diverse team from a range of backgrounds and faiths, but with a common goal of helping to integrate communities, educate the public and reduce extremism.

We are aggressively growing the team in the coming months as many share our ideals and goals, but have lacked the structure to help achieve them.

We are independent of any government or religious organization.

Please click on the above link for more information on the core team members, if you would like to join us in our mission, please email information@ananas.org.uk

Ananas Foundation Road Map (based on soft-cap):

• 2017 Q3: Ananas foundation to hold ANACOIN presale with a main sale at a later date
• 2017 Q4: Soft Launch of the community platform and begin sponsorship auction
• 2018 Q1: Community growth, continue sponsorship and grow community
• 2018 Q2: Release of beta smart phone app
• 2018 Q4: Platform expansion, framework expansions

Press

Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-08/odd-lots-how-a-fund-manager-is-trying-to-solve-some-of-the-middle-east-s-biggest-problems) (Ananas discussed from 22 minutes in)
Reuters (http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/16/islamic-state-and-the-management-of-savagery/)


Announcements and updates

• 20/07/17 - We are now listed on Stocktwits
• 20/07/17 - The Pre-sale will go onto 6th August 11:59 PM GMT. We updated this on the first day of the sale (amended from 29th July, 2017) as we received feedback that 1 week was not enough time to go over the details, we hope this will be sufficient.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: prikitiw on July 19, 2017, 03:46:41 PM
okey
Im waiting Pre-TOKEN SALE Date: 20th July 09:00 AM GMT – 100% premium.
Pre-TOKEN SALE End Date: 29th July 11:59 PM GMT


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: adarwis on July 19, 2017, 03:52:15 PM
200K Total token and the premine was 2% , it was great man, let me know the road map of this project. so It make me sure this project will going rise or didnt, for now I just wanna bookmark this first


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: wraith band on July 19, 2017, 04:01:15 PM
hopefully I join with this project to make new knowledge and insights I growing,thank you.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: NewWorldCoiner on July 20, 2017, 07:06:43 AM
So you want to stop extremism with what exactly? Sponsored scriptures and religious texts?

The Saudi's have spent billions of dollars a year since the 70's funding the spread of Wahhabism, which is the doctrine used by ISIS. The money comes from oil sold to the US. The military industrialists then make billions of dollars a year fighting the War on Terror. It's a giant cash cow. You know all this. Do you really think you can stop that by examining different religions and ideologies?

Also, it's not wise to hype up the future price of a coin in your whitepaper using $100m paintings as an example. The reason should be obvious.  

So, you're either (a) massive scammers, (b) naive idealists, or (c) you actually work for the government, and have rather cheekily come here to seek funding for your deradicalization program.

So which is it?







Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: maxNIMFA on July 20, 2017, 07:08:01 AM
Sounds like a revolution


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: adsamy on July 20, 2017, 07:16:44 AM
A coin of faith, which was sold in July 20th, why is it being promoted now? Everyone doesn't know it yet. How can you take an active part in it?


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: Emadm on July 20, 2017, 05:04:12 PM
Hi NewWorldCoiner,

Thank you for your feedback, in response to your queries:

So you want to stop extremism with what exactly? Sponsored scriptures and religious texts?

I don't think its possible to stop extremism. I think it is possible to reduce religious extremism and move some people off "Mount Stupid"/disrupt the process of radicalisation from the research we have done.

Creating a resource where you can map lots of ideologies can help the communities that these traditions/ideologies as well as help ease those from different ideologies understand each other.

For those who reject religious ideologies this resource should be great as it gives them more standardised data :)

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The Saudi's have spent billions of dollars a year since the 70's funding the spread of Wahhabism, which is the doctrine used by ISIS. The money comes from oil sold to the US. The military industrialists then make billions of dollars a year fighting the War on Terror. It's a giant cash cow. You know all this. Do you really think you can stop that by examining different religions and ideologies?

We note this in the white paper, that the epistemological structure of Sunni Islam is quite flat so those that speak for it are those with money or who shout loudest (more people Googling ISIS than Islam).

This will continue unless you try to create a "better" authoritative source, much as Google and Wikipedia are essential in our modern epistemology.

Given the way that Muslims (and non-Muslims) access data, it is not inconceivably hard to create a better solution, following the process we have laid out.

To make it clearer, you gather unstructured data, then help communities structure it, but then you must create tools to help people access it, which will be custom for ontology.

For Islam it has to start with the Quran.

On your point on the military industrial complex etc, I am quite familiar with this, but this is why you need to create a private economy/market network to make a dent.

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Also, it's not wise to hype up the future price of a coin in your whitepaper using $100m paintings as an example. The reason should be obvious.  

The coin was designed to go up with the value of the platform, both in terms of usage (which reflects utility) and difficult of content creation/collation (which goes up exponentially as you get into the fine details).

We used that painting example to show asset scarcity, but I understand your point and will write an article detailing the coin economics in more detail on the blog and happy to post to any other location.

I think it should go up in value if the platform is successful, but there are no sure fire guarantees.

The coins should, however, be uncorrelated to ETH/BTC if we have constructed them correctly.

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So, you're either (a) massive scammers, (b) naive idealists, or (c) you actually work for the government, and have rather cheekily come here to seek funding for your deradicalization program.

So which is it?

(a) no, we are all verifiable and in real jobs, in my case as part of an established hedge fund (http://capricornfundmanagers.com/emad-mostaque/)/

You can listen to me discuss this project here (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-08/odd-lots-how-a-fund-manager-is-trying-to-solve-some-of-the-middle-east-s-biggest-problems) at 22 minutes with Joe and Tracy at Blooomberg and contact me @emostaque on Twitter (https://twitter.com/EMostaque) or em@ananas.org.uk.

There will be additional press and announcements on this in the coming weeks and we aim to be as transparent as possible, although we have made some errors in kicking off.

(b) perhaps, but we are trying and I think if enough people help we might create something useful.

There will be an open competition shortly for other, better ideas to try to make a dent in what is a growing and troubling phenomenon of extremism as we don't have all the answers.

(c) No government ties except for some advisory work I did for the Arab Strategy Forum predicting 6 "grey swans" for this year: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pin4mv1fvns6xcb/ar_grey_swan.pdf1557943292.pdf?dl=0 while on a personal break from being a hedge fund manager.

We will have to engage with governments at some point as we note and have access, but it is far better to do this as a grass roots initiative than have them control it.

I hope that helps.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: Emadm on July 20, 2017, 05:39:58 PM
A coin of faith, which was sold in July 20th, why is it being promoted now? Everyone doesn't know it yet. How can you take an active part in it?


Hello adsamy, the main ICO will be on the 9th of September, this is the presale with 100% bonus.

There is an error in the first post on the end date of the presale, which should be 6th August 2017, now corrected.

For the main ICO the full details will be released two weeks ahead of time and not changed (no hidden caps or anything like that).

We don't want to hurry anyone and allow for as many questions to be answered as possible. Also all constructive feedback is very welcome.

There will be some features on the members of the team in press in the coming period, which should help increase confidence

We didn't do the best job of launching it, but hopefully everything should smooth out by tomorrow.

If anyone would like to help, please do email us at information@ananas.org.uk!

The first post should now be updated, but if you click on the website in the first post, you can click on pre-sale to get details of how to participate (never click on links in comments!).

The details are also now posted on our Medium blog and will shortly be on all other channels.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: Emadm on July 21, 2017, 05:13:15 PM
Hello everyone,

Things have been a bit quiet while we iron out a few final things before pushing on, but we have some very interesting things in the pipeline.

We are happy to be one of the first tokens on the Stocktwits Network per today's announcement: https://blog.stocktwits.com/stocktwits-adds-streams-and-symbology-for-100-cryptocurrencies-and-tokens-a4069c1af358

You can find us here: https://stocktwits.com/symbol/ANA.X and can discuss there or by posting with the cash tag $ANA.X

More soon..


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: Crypto_trader87 on July 22, 2017, 06:54:34 AM
Hello everyone,

Things have been a bit quiet while we iron out a few final things before pushing on, but we have some very interesting things in the pipeline.

We are happy to be one of the first tokens on the Stocktwits Network per today's announcement: https://blog.stocktwits.com/stocktwits-adds-streams-and-symbology-for-100-cryptocurrencies-and-tokens-a4069c1af358

You can find us here: https://stocktwits.com/symbol/ANA.X and can discuss there or by posting with the cash tag $ANA.X

More soon..

Thats a good news i hope the ico will success i like the conceipt of this coin it looks interisting for me i will support yhis coin until i see that this coin is going to yhe highest price good luck to you all team.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: BitPotus on July 22, 2017, 06:59:39 AM
The only way you will stop extremism is buy getting these fuckers to eat pork and stop putting bin bags on the heads of their women.



Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: TimeTeller on July 22, 2017, 07:41:30 AM
The only way you will stop extremism is buy getting these fuckers to eat pork and stop putting bin bags on the heads of their women.


LOL...
Such motivation to create a coin against extremism is very well-appreciated.
But this kind of ambition is impossible to attain.
It's like punching in the air. Please don't promise what you can't deliver.
Better stop this project while you can.  ::)


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: Katashi on July 22, 2017, 10:37:58 AM
So you want to stop extremism with what exactly? Sponsored scriptures and religious texts?

The Saudi's have spent billions of dollars a year since the 70's funding the spread of Wahhabism, which is the doctrine used by ISIS. The money comes from oil sold to the US. The military industrialists then make billions of dollars a year fighting the War on Terror. It's a giant cash cow. You know all this. Do you really think you can stop that by examining different religions and ideologies?

Also, it's not wise to hype up the future price of a coin in your whitepaper using $100m paintings as an example. The reason should be obvious.  

So, you're either (a) massive scammers, (b) naive idealists, or (c) you actually work for the government, and have rather cheekily come here to seek funding for your deradicalization program.

So which is it?







I totally agree with this. to just sum up the point. what in the world you are to infuse you belief or religion to any entity like business.
if that's your belief then hold on to it. it's not a good thing make money from it. like in other countries someones selling lucky charms, then if it's
for luck then why sell it?.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: Emadm on July 22, 2017, 11:17:23 AM
I totally agree with this. to just sum up the point. what in the world you are to infuse you belief or religion to any entity like business.
if that's your belief then hold on to it. it's not a good thing make money from it. like in other countries someones selling lucky charms, then if it's
for luck then why sell it?.

Hi Katashi,

This is a charitable foundation looking to use technology to try to help understand all ideologies, religions or otherwise.

Clearly there is a lack of understanding today and increasing sectarianism and hate, so isn't it a good thing to try to build a resource to help build bridges and understanding?

The foundation is apolitical and does not back any religion or ideology.

We are starting with a structure for Islam as there are clearly big issues there and it forms a good template for others, which will do their own mapping once there are a critical mass of people from that community that wants to help build it.

For example, under the framework we are designing it should be possible to map out visually the belief system behind fiat and cryptocurrency, behind Austrian and Keynsian economics.

This is basically a variant of the Google Knowledge Graph, but for ideology and beliefs.

I would add that in any ICO the token issuer has a specific belief that they infuse in the network - in almost all cases you are not purchasing them for their current value, but an expectation of future value in that network under the belief it will cause a change in the status quo.

For example, you buy Tezos as you believe it can be a better ethereum and will be widely used.

In our case our belief is that mapping ideologies and allowing easy navigation of them will decrease hatred and help communities come together.

A resource like this has, in our opinion, clear value, so the tokens should appreciate in line with that future utility value to many people.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: Emadm on July 22, 2017, 11:41:22 AM
LOL...
Such motivation to create a coin against extremism is very well-appreciated.
But this kind of ambition is impossible to attain.
It's like punching in the air. Please don't promise what you can't deliver.
Better stop this project while you can.  ::)

Hi Timeteller,

I find your post a bit depressing.

The fact that we are on Bitcointalk means that we both believe that modern technology can make a fundamental difference to the way that we think as a society.

Every ICO believes it can change or disrupt a system and are based on platforms that were once written off and laughed at, but are starting to mature and make a real difference.

We haven't promised world peace (!), but have laid out an approach to create a resource that has real value within a year.

Our milestones and initial targets are realistic (I think, please let me know if they aren't) and, as mentioned in the previous post, what we are effectively trying to do is create a Google-style Knowledge Graph for ideology.

Given advances in data science and the information available, the technological challenge for this isn't high as compared to the majority of other ICOs, which promise, for example, completely free and instant transfers or complete disruption of the legacy banking system.

The lack of existing options for accessing this information in a structured way means that the bar for creating something of value is relatively low and, I believe, achievable.

I think we have to try to make a difference and the first stages of this will at least create a resource to attack a specific part of the problem.

The ultimate goal of mapping all the major ideologies is tricky as it needs community help, but I'd be appreciative to know if you think that what we are trying to do in the initial part of our project

a) has no value
b) will make no difference
c) is impossible

Many thanks


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: Emadm on July 22, 2017, 11:48:23 AM
The only way you will stop extremism is buy getting these fuckers to eat pork and stop putting bin bags on the heads of their women.



Dear BitPotus,

This is certainly an approach that could be employed, but unfortunately history shows that forcing people to do things against their beliefs doesn't end up very well, typically very bloody.

While it may seem a reasonable approach to "kill em all and let God sort the good from the bad after", we have to ask ourselves the following question:

In the last 16 years on the War on Terror we have spent $2 trillion, seen hundreds of thousands of innocents die from the huge numbers of weapons we have used and the number of jihadists has risen from under 1,000 to over 100,000.

Are we winning?

If not, how can we make progress?

We have outlined our view of how extremism comes about here: https://medium.com/ananas-blog/extremism-and-mount-stupid-5afa0eec7d4e

There has been great research on deradicalisation done by individuals like Dr John Horgan and Steve Hassan, an important part is getting aside the extremists context and breaking it down from there.

This is what we are trying to do with Ananas, create tools to allow this to happen as well as the contextual information needed to innoculate others who might be prone to ideological radicalisation.

If you have confidence in our governments to solve this issue with their current approach, then this project is not for you.

If you don't, then you have to think on whether this is an approach that could cause even a marginal difference.

I think we can, I hope you can believe in us too.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: dobrujk on July 22, 2017, 11:51:45 AM
Hello! Let me reserve the translation of the bitcointalk Russian thread/site/whitepaper

Reserved Italian Translation


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: CryptoGeneral on July 22, 2017, 12:00:30 PM
I would like to know why you choose the name ananas? Does this have a particular meaning? Because "Ananas" is the german word for pineappel. Maybe you want to reconsider it for better marketing. Anyway, I think this is an interesting project and I will keep an eye on it.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: akai on July 22, 2017, 12:13:06 PM
The value of a platform depends on its users, and the knowledge sharing can lead to everyone interested in the content is the key to the users, I hope the team can do a detailed plan to develop this project, let more people join this platform to know the truth of the matter.Long live the peace.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: Emadm on July 22, 2017, 12:13:24 PM
I would like to know why you choose the name ananas? Does this have a particular meaning? Because "Ananas" is the german word for pineappel. Maybe you want to reconsider it for better marketing. Anyway, I think this is an interesting project and I will keep an eye on it.

Hi CryptoGeneral,

Branding is always tough, but we picked Ananas as we are not promoting one ideology but trying to create a platform that is open and inclusive to map them all and give tools to help these communities.

Ananas is good for that because.. It's the one word that is the same in the most languages in the world (!)

There are a few exceptions, but its tough to find something that people recognize in Arabic and Hebrew, Russian and Hindi, Suomi and Turkish.

Makes you wonder what the Brits were thinking when they made it Pineapple in English:

> Sir, this fruit is actually delicious under all the spikes!
> What do the locals call it Sinjin?
> Ananas sir
> Hmm. That won't do, lets call it a pineapple because Empire

We have actually registered the trademark in the EU for the name for an online community and own a few of the domains.

Plus everyone likes pineapples.. Right? 🍍🍍


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: dolores13 on July 22, 2017, 12:17:03 PM
SHAME

Scammers now are trying to make money from religions , i thought persons like you were extinct, shutdown this topic before more members come here and start to insult you.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: BitPotus on July 22, 2017, 12:24:28 PM
The only way you will stop extremism is buy getting these fuckers to eat pork and stop putting bin bags on the heads of their women.



Dear BitPotus,

This is certainly an approach that could be employed, but unfortunately history shows that forcing people to do things against their beliefs doesn't end up very well, typically very bloody.

While it may seem a reasonable approach to "kill em all and let God sort the good from the bad after", we have to ask ourselves the following question:

In the last 16 years on the War on Terror we have spent $2 trillion, seen hundreds of thousands of innocents die from the huge numbers of weapons we have used and the number of jihadists has risen from under 1,000 to over 100,000.

Are we winning?

If not, how can we make progress?

We have outlined our view of how extremism comes about here: https://medium.com/ananas-blog/extremism-and-mount-stupid-5afa0eec7d4e

There has been great research on deradicalisation done by individuals like Dr John Horgan and Steve Hassan, an important part is getting aside the extremists context and breaking it down from there.

This is what we are trying to do with Ananas, create tools to allow this to happen as well as the contextual information needed to innoculate others who might be prone to ideological radicalisation.

If you have confidence in our governments to solve this issue with their current approach, then this project is not for you.

If you don't, then you have to think on whether this is an approach that could cause even a marginal difference.

I think we can, I hope you can believe in us too.

so you think by you collecting a fuck load of money and then you using that money to sit down and talk to the goat fuckers will work....

sorry, but you are the one taking the piss mate.

War is coming.....
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/62/fe/c1/62fec10edb096ad860e8cca9df02cbfb--military-signs-military-humor.jpg


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: Emadm on July 22, 2017, 12:34:06 PM
SHAME

Scammers now are trying to make money from religions , i thought persons like you were extinct, shutdown this topic before more members come here and start to insult you.

Dear Dolores13,

We are not scammers, but are verifiable individuals, some of whom work for regulated entities and are easily searchable and accessible.

For example, you can find me here (http://capricornfundmanagers.com/emad-mostaque/) and see me discussing this project on Bloomberg at 22 minutes here (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-08/odd-lots-how-a-fund-manager-is-trying-to-solve-some-of-the-middle-east-s-biggest-problems) and outlining the need for it on Reuters here (http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/16/islamic-state-and-the-management-of-savagery/) after predicting the fall of West Iraq to the group later known as ISIS here (http://www.businessinsider.com/most-important-charts-2013-12?op=1&IR=T).

I have appeared in international press as an expert on geopolitics and market economies for over a decade, including writing for the Wall Street Journal amongst others on extremism.

This is also being undertaken by a UK-registered charity that has additional funding routes.

A resource such as the one described is achievable if it gets the right help and increasingly valuable to the world as hatred and sectarianism rise.

The resource will be free to use, unlike other approaches that charge for access to structured religious information.

For example, when studying Christianity Logos was invaluable: https://www.logos.com/, with plans ranging from $294.99 to $999.99

Please feel free to critique any part of the project structure or approach if you disagree, we welcome any suggestions for improvements as we do not have all the answers.

Members are free to insult us if any part of the project is offensive or we are being patently unreasonable. I hope neither of this is the case as we have been very careful with this.

The token ecosystem enables contributors to participate in the creation of something truly useful that I would use myself and hope my children would too.

We will be writing more on how charities can use this model when building projects of value in the next few days on our blog.

If there is any element of this that still unsettles you, please let me know and I'll try my best to answer.

If you think this is a useless project, I'd also be appreciative of understanding why so we can hopefully make it better.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: malcolml4 on July 22, 2017, 12:44:12 PM
Continue to pay attention more information form your project.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: BitPotus on July 22, 2017, 12:48:56 PM
Go fucking beg for money from the UK government instead of trying to enrich yourself on the back of cryptotraders you fucking muzzie faggot.

Better yet, go ask for money from Saudi Arabia......



Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: Ardhi on July 22, 2017, 12:58:22 PM
The concept is quite convincing for the development of a project, but in other it certainly the development shouldn't stop here, because the more developments made, the more will be interested in this project, hopefully run well dev, good luck


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: Emadm on July 22, 2017, 12:58:42 PM
Quote

so you think by you collecting a fuck load of money and then you using that money to sit down and talk to the goat fuckers will work....

sorry, but you are the one taking the piss mate.

War is coming.....
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/62/fe/c1/62fec10edb096ad860e8cca9df02cbfb--military-signs-military-humor.jpg

Hi BitPotus,

We are raising money to create a digital resource that can help disrupt the process of radicalisation both with regards to Islam and then other ideologies in the same framework.

This will enable those who wish it to sit down and talk to these individuals and indeed deradicalize them on an individual basis.

This has proven to be the most effective way to do that in numerous studies as a quick google will show.

Having a free digital resource allows for a wider reach to help many more.

BitPotus, we have been at war for 16 years already with entire cities reduced to rubble and thousands dead.

You have to ask yourself why our soldiers have been dying for years to fight this menace, with many more coming back scarred for life yet the terrorists numbers keep growing.

This is why the US lost in Vietnam, they never reached the point of "crossover", where they killed their enemies faster than they grew.

58,318 Americans died in that war with over a hundred thousand severely injured before they realised their folly, with likely a million Vietnamese civilians dying in the process.

There are a lot more Muslims than Vietnamese.

I have spoken with veterans who fought at the first battle of Fallujah only to see ISIS take the city again and again.

I know people who have been directly impacted in terrorist attacks.

We are all angry and hurt.

Our multi-faith team is trying to make a difference to reduce the loss of human life and discord and we hope those that share our aims will join us on this project in any way they can.

If you believe genocide is the answer (which is the only time that approach has worked), then I would respectfully disagree with you and hope you are wrong.

Go fucking beg for money from the UK government instead of trying to enrich yourself on the back of cryptotraders you fucking muzzie faggot.

Better yet, go ask for money from Saudi Arabia......


Money for initiatives like this is readily available with strings attached.

I thought one of the tenets of those who believe in cryptocurrency is that is better to be free of government influence  ;)

We are trying to build this as a community effort for that reason.

I have been respectful of you on this thread and tried to answer your points to the best of my ability, I hope you can extend me that kindness as a fellow human and wish you a good weekend.

If you view me as sub-human then you must take a step back and look at yourself and what you are trying to achieve by making such comments as thats what the terrorists love to hear.

I would never want to say something they would like.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: dolores13 on July 22, 2017, 01:08:34 PM
SHAME

Scammers now are trying to make money from religions , i thought persons like you were extinct, shutdown this topic before more members come here and start to insult you.

Dear Dolores13,

We are not scammers, but are verifiable individuals, some of whom work for regulated entities and are easily searchable and accessible.

For example, you can find me here (http://capricornfundmanagers.com/emad-mostaque/) and see me discussing this project on Bloomberg at 22 minutes here (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-08/odd-lots-how-a-fund-manager-is-trying-to-solve-some-of-the-middle-east-s-biggest-problems) and outlining the need for it on Reuters here (http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/16/islamic-state-and-the-management-of-savagery/) after predicting the fall of West Iraq to the group later known as ISIS here (http://www.businessinsider.com/most-important-charts-2013-12?op=1&IR=T).

I have appeared in international press as an expert on geopolitics and market economies for over a decade, including writing for the Wall Street Journal amongst others on extremism.

This is also being undertaken by a UK-registered charity that has additional funding routes.

A resource such as the one described is achievable if it gets the right help and increasingly valuable to the world as hatred and sectarianism rise.

The resource will be free to use, unlike other approaches that charge for access to structured religious information.

For example, when studying Christianity Logos was invaluable: https://www.logos.com/, with plans ranging from $294.99 to $999.99

Please feel free to critique any part of the project structure or approach if you disagree, we welcome any suggestions for improvements as we do not have all the answers.

Members are free to insult us if any part of the project is offensive or we are being patently unreasonable. I hope neither of this is the case as we have been very careful with this.

The token ecosystem enables contributors to participate in the creation of something truly useful that I would use myself and hope my children would too.

We will be writing more on how charities can use this model when building projects of value in the next few days on our blog.

If there is any element of this that still unsettles you, please let me know and I'll try my best to answer.

If you think this is a useless project, I'd also be appreciative of understanding why so we can hopefully make it better.

Do you know the most dangerous thing beside extremist from all religions of this world, Men with shiny suit , banks controlling life of billions of poor people over the world with debts and interest , Men with shiny suit spreading war over the globe to fill their bank accounts, Trillions of dollars wasted on war and weapons and their own country are full of homeless, jobless people, they cant even afford to pay for basic health care...........ofcourse no one can talk about men in shiny suit and what they doing to our world!!!

Pre-sale cap: 999 ETH , better asking for 99999.99 ETH? Bitcointalk is the heaven of every scammer and sucker of this world.


@Emadm How person like you know that much about crypto and ICOs, ETH, if you are not an old scammer (dont tell me:my friend idea etc.....) and btw links you provided means nothing.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: Emadm on July 22, 2017, 01:23:06 PM
Do you know the most dangerous thing beside extremist from all religions of this world, Men with shiny suit , banks controlling life of billions of poor people over the world with debts and interest , Men with shiny suit spreading war over the globe to fill their bank accounts, Trillions of dollars wasted on war and weapons and their own country are full of homeless, jobless people, they cant even afford to pay for basic health care...........ofcourse no one can talk about men in shiny suit and what they doing to our world!!!

Pre-sale cap: 999 ETH , better asking for 99999.99 ETH? Bitcointalk is the heaven of every scammer and sucker of this world.


@Emadm How person like you know that much about crypto and ICOs, ETH, if you are not an old scammer (dont tell me:my friend idea etc.....) and btw links you provided means nothing.

Dear Dolores,

I agree with you that there are major issues with the current financial system and extraction of rents from people to concentrate in the hands of asset owners who hoard the wealth.

This is the reason that the economy is starting to stagnate and radical and extreme ideologies are gaining in traction, leading to increasing hatred and fear.

We discuss this in the white paper and the excerpt that can be found here: https://medium.com/ananas-blog/extremism-and-mount-stupid-5afa0eec7d4e

Essentially the "American Dream" or equivalent is no longer available to too many and the result of this is anger and a demand for change, while those in power wish to maintain the status quo.

But the question is how can this be adjusted? If you listen to the Bloomberg podcast I linked at the end I discuss an initiative I am advising to give free biometric smartphones to refugees to help them reclaim their identity and discussing with major aid agencies.

All we can do is try to make a difference.

The pre-sale cap is in line with similar projects and is a hard cap. For example, there is this nice project here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2007772.0 that intends to also register as a charity and has a 2,500 cap. I actually think they are more ambitious than us.

In terms of what I know.. I don't know that much but have been learning for the last few years with the rest of the team.

One of the advantages of my current role is that I have been able to speak to some of the top experts in this field.

I also have a degree in Maths and Computer Science and have been programming for the last 16 years in various languages, which has definitely helped.

I will be trying to make some contributions of original thought in the coming weeks on our blog and other sites, particularly in the area of how charities can create market economies to self-fund and create real value and change.

If you look at the white paper it tries to link to best practices and ideas from the likes of Vitalik Buterin, William Mougyar and Naval Ravikant wherever it can to make sure we are not making errors.

If we are, please let us know, all help is appreciated.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: dolores13 on July 22, 2017, 01:59:12 PM

...................

In terms of what I know.. I don't know that much but have been learning for the last few years with the rest of the team.

One of the advantages of my current role is that I have been able to speak to some of the top experts in this field.

I also have a degree in Maths and Computer Science and have been programming for the last 16 years in various languages, which has definitely helped.

I will be trying to make some contributions of original thought in the coming weeks on our blog and other sites, particularly in the area of how charities can create market economies to self-fund and create real value and change.

If you look at the white paper it tries to link to best practices and ideas from the likes of Vitalik Buterin, William Mougyar and Naval Ravikant wherever it can to make sure we are not making errors.

If we are, please let us know, all help is appreciated.


I almost believed you, Leave this forum and its members in peace, we are sick of scammers and their ICOs , if you are that sincere launch your project from your own money pocket, or ETH is better , you can get thousands of $$$ without any law pursuit.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: niknik1966 on July 22, 2017, 02:28:57 PM
Nonsense. With the help of a coin they want to exterminate Islamophobia. Are you going to scatter in the squares to those who came to you, bombed by the same Arabs? Try it. It will be interesting on you then to look at.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: satria33 on July 22, 2017, 02:40:14 PM
Why go through pre-sale, why not direct sale token
This takes a long time
20th July: Pre-sale / Token Campaign Begins
6th August: Pre-sale Ends
September 9th: Token sale Begins
7th October: Token sale Ends
About 3 months but i hope your project will be success like another ico


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: sevenshards on July 22, 2017, 02:51:02 PM

Very upgraded project, I can get up to 16 stake in facebook campaign, I want to join soon, hope be a very profitable project, good luck


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: Emadm on July 22, 2017, 03:01:36 PM
Why go through pre-sale, why not direct sale token
This takes a long time
20th July: Pre-sale / Token Campaign Begins
6th August: Pre-sale Ends
September 9th: Token sale Begins
7th October: Token sale Ends
About 3 months but i hope your project will be success like another ico

Hello Satria,

The reason for the pre-sale was to engage with the community and attract individuals who would like to be involved in the project as its success or otherwise will be down to the broad range of individuals who help.

We will also hopefully be making some exciting announcements about various elements including new advisors and team mates in the coming weeks as well as posting a series of hopefully informative articles in both crypto and international press.

If we get it right then by the main sale we will have provided more information on our project than any other use of token economies, as well as hopefully have been able to respond cogently to those who disagree with any part of it, whether these are justified criticisms or pure transposed hatred.

I think this is rare in ICOs so far, with most following this framework:

1. Decentralise all things, disrupt an established industry/system
2. Magic
3. Profit

We hope to be a part of the fight against extremism across ideologies but do not have all the answers.

We hope our approach and roadmap are reasonable and can rapidly create something of real value though.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: Emadm on July 22, 2017, 03:13:13 PM

I almost believed you, Leave this forum and its members in peace, we are sick of scammers and their ICOs , if you are that sincere launch your project from your own money pocket, or ETH is better , you can get thousands of $$$ without any law pursuit.

Dear Dolores,

We have been working on this project for three years, spending our own time and money to do extensive research into the topic.

If you have read or found any more sensible or feasible approaches to the problem at hand (ex genocide as favoured by some), I would be delighted to hear it.

One breakthrough for us in trying to figure out how to scale was the emergence of thinking on the token economy, in which we agreed with Vinny Lingham of Civic in his thoughts here: https://vinnylingham.com/why-tokens-are-eating-the-world-b4174235c87b

If you read through our white paper and model the approach we are recommending, it represents a straightforward virtuous circle of benefit. Anacoin (aside from sounding like an naughty Padawan) is more a token than a coin per that classification.

This is completely legal and there is an established charity and system in place to make sure proper usage of funds. For the main sale we will be trying to adhere to best standards from escrow to ens addresses.

Part of the reason we posted here is because we thought we might find like minded individuals to help grow our multi faith team. We have already received several offers and look forward to growing with the community as a good example of how to do things right.

The ICO economy is also fascinating in the various elements it consists of, in particular the translations and language capability which will prove useful for the project in bringing on a diverse team of individuals.

If you have specific issues with any element of our approach or governance versus other ICOs I would appreciate your insight.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: Emadm on July 22, 2017, 03:34:29 PM
BitPotus,

While I am saddened by the Islamophobic and homophobic language you are using I think you might find this interesting.

If you truly believe what you are saying, that war with the Muslims is coming, a holy war or crusade if you will, then it is important that you understand there opponent.

In the case of the jihadist terror groups, you can actually find their operational manuals and strategy as anyone counter intelligence individual can tell you.

One particularly important piece is the Management of Savagery, which you can find translated by Aaron Zelin of the bipartisan Washington Institute for Near East Policy: http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/experts/view/aaron-y.-zelin (unsurprisingly he's not Muslim)

This lays out ISIS's overarching strategy, including trying to trigger the conflict you have described and he language you are using, all planned ahead years ago.

You don't have to take my word for it, plenty of non-Muslims have written on this and analysed it in depth, analyses that are freely available of exactly how they are looking to eliminate the 'grey zone' of coexistsnce.

If I ever agreed with ISIS on something I would take a long hard look at what led me to do that.

We don't agree with them and are a multifaith team doing what we can to curb their rise and that of other extremist ideologies through education, technology and positivity.

Our CTO is Sikh, our Chairman Anglican etc working together to build something the world needs.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: satria33 on July 22, 2017, 04:05:51 PM
Why go through pre-sale, why not direct sale token
This takes a long time
20th July: Pre-sale / Token Campaign Begins
6th August: Pre-sale Ends
September 9th: Token sale Begins
7th October: Token sale Ends
About 3 months but i hope your project will be success like another ico

Hello Satria,

The reason for the pre-sale was to engage with the community and attract individuals who would like to be involved in the project as its success or otherwise will be down to the broad range of individuals who help.

We will also hopefully be making some exciting announcements about various elements including new advisors and team mates in the coming weeks as well as posting a series of hopefully informative articles in both crypto and international press.

If we get it right then by the main sale we will have provided more information on our project than any other use of token economies, as well as hopefully have been able to respond cogently to those who disagree with any part of it, whether these are justified criticisms or pure transposed hatred.

I think this is rare in ICOs so far, with most following this framework:

1. Decentralise all things, disrupt an established industry/system
2. Magic
3. Profit

We hope to be a part of the fight against extremism across ideologies but do not have all the answers.

We hope our approach and roadmap are reasonable and can rapidly create something of real value though.

Thank you for your answer, now I understand why it takes so long time for this project, and i hope the answer you give it will be able to attract many investors into this ico project
Good Luck


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: BitPotus on July 23, 2017, 12:08:55 AM
BitPotus,

While I am saddened by the Islamophobic and homophobic language you are using I think you might find this interesting.

If you truly believe what you are saying, that war with the Muslims is coming, a holy war or crusade if you will, then it is important that you understand there opponent.

In the case of the jihadist terror groups, you can actually find their operational manuals and strategy as anyone counter intelligence individual can tell you.

One particularly important piece is the Management of Savagery, which you can find translated by Aaron Zelin of the bipartisan Washington Institute for Near East Policy: http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/experts/view/aaron-y.-zelin (unsurprisingly he's not Muslim)

This lays out ISIS's overarching strategy, including trying to trigger the conflict you have described and he language you are using, all planned ahead years ago.

You don't have to take my word for it, plenty of non-Muslims have written on this and analysed it in depth, analyses that are freely available of exactly how they are looking to eliminate the 'grey zone' of coexistsnce.

If I ever agreed with ISIS on something I would take a long hard look at what led me to do that.

We don't agree with them and are a multifaith team doing what we can to curb their rise and that of other extremist ideologies through education, technology and positivity.

Our CTO is Sikh, our Chairman Anglican etc working together to build something the world needs.

I don't need to understand the "enemy".

I have first hand experience of what muzzies are capable of in the name of their perverse "religious beliefs"

The War with Islam never stopped.

Islam never stopped trying to conquer the world.

Just because lately the world has become overly feminised and Western males have turned into some pussy faggots thanks to the cancer that feminism

is doesn't mean that some of us are not fully awake and can see through all the BS.

Do you honestly think that some sexually repressed goat fucker who's been brought up believing that if he kills an infidel, he's going to heaven to fuck

72 virgins is going to change his mind by sitting down and having a chat with you?

You are fucking deluded and you are part of the problem.

You are also blatantly after a money grab as well.

Crypto should be free of religion and I have an issue with you supposedly masquerading as some knight in shining armour when you are blatantly trying

to raise as much money as possible to line your own pocket.

Go to fucking kickstarter or some other fund raising avenue if you need to raise funds.

Crypto doesn't need your bullshit

YOU FUCKING FAGGOT.



Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: CryptoGeneral on July 23, 2017, 05:56:37 AM
I would like to know why you choose the name ananas? Does this have a particular meaning? Because "Ananas" is the german word for pineappel. Maybe you want to reconsider it for better marketing. Anyway, I think this is an interesting project and I will keep an eye on it.

Hi CryptoGeneral,

Branding is always tough, but we picked Ananas as we are not promoting one ideology but trying to create a platform that is open and inclusive to map them all and give tools to help these communities.

Ananas is good for that because.. It's the one word that is the same in the most languages in the world (!)

There are a few exceptions, but its tough to find something that people recognize in Arabic and Hebrew, Russian and Hindi, Suomi and Turkish.

Makes you wonder what the Brits were thinking when they made it Pineapple in English:

> Sir, this fruit is actually delicious under all the spikes!
> What do the locals call it Sinjin?
> Ananas sir
> Hmm. That won't do, lets call it a pineapple because Empire

We have actually registered the trademark in the EU for the name for an online community and own a few of the domains.

Plus everyone likes pineapples.. Right? 🍍🍍

Didn't knew that the word is this popular. But it makes more sense to me now. Sunday morning and I already learned something new.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANANAS - Tech against hate [Pre-sale live]
Post by: ANA_Anacoin on July 23, 2017, 04:55:24 PM
Slack channel now added!

Please join us here: https://slack.anacoin.io/


Title: Re: [ANN] ANANAS - Tech against hate [Pre-sale live]
Post by: zqure on July 24, 2017, 09:09:13 AM
Hi dobrujk,

Thanks for reserving the translation for Italian. We would love for you to start as soon as possible but first we would like to let you know the guidelines below and ask if you could send us some of your work? Please email information@ananas.org.uk

Guidelines:

1.        Translation must be original, without automatic translation tools such as Google Translate.
2.        If automatic translation is detected, the translator will be immediately disqualified.
3.        AnanasTeam reserves the right to change and / or apply new terms.

Also, could you give a rough estimate of time of how long translation would take?


Title: Re: [ANN] ANACOIN - Crypto against extremism
Post by: ANA_Anacoin on July 24, 2017, 12:58:54 PM
Hello! Let me reserve the translation of the bitcointalk Russian thread/site/whitepaper

Translators please join our slack channel : https://slack.anacoin.io/

First 1337 that join also receive 10 free tokens after main token sale!

GO time ;)


Title: Re: [ANN] ANANAS - Tech against hate [Pre-sale live]
Post by: nonlinearboy on July 24, 2017, 03:49:52 PM

What is the pre-ICO progress since it was started on July 20th, I mean how many pre-ICO tokens have been sold. I have tried to see this information on your website but I can not find it.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANANAS - Tech against hate [Pre-sale live]
Post by: bro_bro on July 24, 2017, 04:30:48 PM
Besides mining is there any other way like bounty and the other to get this coin. thanks so much dev.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANANAS - Tech against hate [Pre-sale live]
Post by: mrongos on July 24, 2017, 09:20:30 PM
this project is interesting concept
i am join bounty fb and twitter
hopefull this project will be succesfull


Title: Re: [ANN] ANANAS - Tech against hate [Pre-sale live]
Post by: Emadm on July 24, 2017, 09:24:52 PM
Besides mining is there any other way like bounty and the other to get this coin. thanks so much dev.

Hi bro_bro, you can gain coins by participating in the bounty campaign: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2035304/

Once the platform is up and running contributors, moderators etc who help will be rewarded with Anacoins as part of the token economy.


Title: Re: [ANN] ANANAS - Tech against hate [Pre-sale live]
Post by: Emadm on July 25, 2017, 06:10:39 PM
Hi nonlinearboy,

We had a few hiccups at the start but should be fully up and running shortly. The total number of pre-ICO tokens allocated so far is 391k out of 10m total Anacoin supply (this is for ETH and $, we may add BTC). The full details of the design of the token economy and main sale will be up in the next few days once we have the white paper translated as we are planning a push into the weekend. Feel free to join the slack if you have additional questions or shoot us a mail, sorry for the delayed response!


Title: Re: [ANN] ANANAS - Tech against hate [Pre-sale live]
Post by: mprep on July 26, 2017, 04:39:55 AM
ATTENTION: Due to the bounty incentivising posting on the ANN thread (which is an on-forum altcoin giveaway in any and all definitions), this thread is locked. There is zero tolerance for those blatantly breaking the "no on-forum altcoin giveaways" rule.