[ANN] ANANAS - Tech against hate [Pre-sale live]

[Emadm]

I would like to know why you choose the name ananas? Does this have a particular meaning? Because "Ananas" is the german word for pineappel. Maybe you want to reconsider it for better marketing. Anyway, I think this is an interesting project and I will keep an eye on it.

Hi CryptoGeneral,

Branding is always tough, but we picked Ananas as we are not promoting one ideology but trying to create a platform that is open and inclusive to map them all and give tools to help these communities.

Ananas is good for that because.. It's the one word that is the same in the most languages in the world (!)

There are a few exceptions, but its tough to find something that people recognize in Arabic and Hebrew, Russian and Hindi, Suomi and Turkish.

Makes you wonder what the Brits were thinking when they made it Pineapple in English:

> Sir, this fruit is actually delicious under all the spikes!
> What do the locals call it Sinjin?
> Ananas sir
> Hmm. That won't do, lets call it a pineapple because Empire

We have actually registered the trademark in the EU for the name for an online community and own a few of the domains.

Plus everyone likes pineapples.. Right? 🍍🍍

[dolores13]

SHAME

Scammers now are trying to make money from religions , i thought persons like you were extinct, shutdown this topic before more members come here and start to insult you.

[BitPotus]

The only way you will stop extremism is buy getting these fuckers to eat pork and stop putting bin bags on the heads of their women.

Dear BitPotus,

This is certainly an approach that could be employed, but unfortunately history shows that forcing people to do things against their beliefs doesn't end up very well, typically very bloody.

While it may seem a reasonable approach to "kill em all and let God sort the good from the bad after", we have to ask ourselves the following question:

In the last 16 years on the War on Terror we have spent $2 trillion, seen hundreds of thousands of innocents die from the huge numbers of weapons we have used and the number of jihadists has risen from under 1,000 to over 100,000.

Are we winning?

If not, how can we make progress?

We have outlined our view of how extremism comes about here: https://medium.com/ananas-blog/extremism-and-mount-stupid-5afa0eec7d4e

There has been great research on deradicalisation done by individuals like Dr John Horgan and Steve Hassan, an important part is getting aside the extremists context and breaking it down from there.

This is what we are trying to do with Ananas, create tools to allow this to happen as well as the contextual information needed to innoculate others who might be prone to ideological radicalisation.

If you have confidence in our governments to solve this issue with their current approach, then this project is not for you.

If you don't, then you have to think on whether this is an approach that could cause even a marginal difference.

I think we can, I hope you can believe in us too.

so you think by you collecting a fuck load of money and then you using that money to sit down and talk to the goat fuckers will work....

sorry, but you are the one taking the piss mate.

War is coming.....

[Emadm]

SHAME

Scammers now are trying to make money from religions , i thought persons like you were extinct, shutdown this topic before more members come here and start to insult you.

Dear Dolores13,

We are not scammers, but are verifiable individuals, some of whom work for regulated entities and are easily searchable and accessible.

For example, you can find me here and see me discussing this project on Bloomberg at 22 minutes here and outlining the need for it on Reuters here after predicting the fall of West Iraq to the group later known as ISIS here.

I have appeared in international press as an expert on geopolitics and market economies for over a decade, including writing for the Wall Street Journal amongst others on extremism.

This is also being undertaken by a UK-registered charity that has additional funding routes.

A resource such as the one described is achievable if it gets the right help and increasingly valuable to the world as hatred and sectarianism rise.

The resource will be free to use, unlike other approaches that charge for access to structured religious information.

For example, when studying Christianity Logos was invaluable: https://www.logos.com/, with plans ranging from $294.99 to $999.99

Please feel free to critique any part of the project structure or approach if you disagree, we welcome any suggestions for improvements as we do not have all the answers.

Members are free to insult us if any part of the project is offensive or we are being patently unreasonable. I hope neither of this is the case as we have been very careful with this.

The token ecosystem enables contributors to participate in the creation of something truly useful that I would use myself and hope my children would too.

We will be writing more on how charities can use this model when building projects of value in the next few days on our blog.

If there is any element of this that still unsettles you, please let me know and I'll try my best to answer.

If you think this is a useless project, I'd also be appreciative of understanding why so we can hopefully make it better.

[malcolml4]

Continue to pay attention more information form your project.

[BitPotus]

Go fucking beg for money from the UK government instead of trying to enrich yourself on the back of cryptotraders you fucking muzzie faggot.

Better yet, go ask for money from Saudi Arabia......

[Ardhi]

The concept is quite convincing for the development of a project, but in other it certainly the development shouldn't stop here, because the more developments made, the more will be interested in this project, hopefully run well dev, good luck

[Emadm]

so you think by you collecting a fuck load of money and then you using that money to sit down and talk to the goat fuckers will work....

sorry, but you are the one taking the piss mate.

War is coming.....

Hi BitPotus,

We are raising money to create a digital resource that can help disrupt the process of radicalisation both with regards to Islam and then other ideologies in the same framework.

This will enable those who wish it to sit down and talk to these individuals and indeed deradicalize them on an individual basis.

This has proven to be the most effective way to do that in numerous studies as a quick google will show.

Having a free digital resource allows for a wider reach to help many more.

BitPotus, we have been at war for 16 years already with entire cities reduced to rubble and thousands dead.

You have to ask yourself why our soldiers have been dying for years to fight this menace, with many more coming back scarred for life yet the terrorists numbers keep growing.

This is why the US lost in Vietnam, they never reached the point of "crossover", where they killed their enemies faster than they grew.

58,318 Americans died in that war with over a hundred thousand severely injured before they realised their folly, with likely a million Vietnamese civilians dying in the process.

There are a lot more Muslims than Vietnamese.

I have spoken with veterans who fought at the first battle of Fallujah only to see ISIS take the city again and again.

I know people who have been directly impacted in terrorist attacks.

We are all angry and hurt.

Our multi-faith team is trying to make a difference to reduce the loss of human life and discord and we hope those that share our aims will join us on this project in any way they can.

If you believe genocide is the answer (which is the only time that approach has worked), then I would respectfully disagree with you and hope you are wrong.

Go fucking beg for money from the UK government instead of trying to enrich yourself on the back of cryptotraders you fucking muzzie faggot.

Better yet, go ask for money from Saudi Arabia......

Money for initiatives like this is readily available with strings attached.

I thought one of the tenets of those who believe in cryptocurrency is that is better to be free of government influence  

We are trying to build this as a community effort for that reason.

I have been respectful of you on this thread and tried to answer your points to the best of my ability, I hope you can extend me that kindness as a fellow human and wish you a good weekend.

If you view me as sub-human then you must take a step back and look at yourself and what you are trying to achieve by making such comments as thats what the terrorists love to hear.

I would never want to say something they would like.

[dolores13]

SHAME

Scammers now are trying to make money from religions , i thought persons like you were extinct, shutdown this topic before more members come here and start to insult you.

Dear Dolores13,

We are not scammers, but are verifiable individuals, some of whom work for regulated entities and are easily searchable and accessible.

For example, you can find me here and see me discussing this project on Bloomberg at 22 minutes here and outlining the need for it on Reuters here after predicting the fall of West Iraq to the group later known as ISIS here.

I have appeared in international press as an expert on geopolitics and market economies for over a decade, including writing for the Wall Street Journal amongst others on extremism.

This is also being undertaken by a UK-registered charity that has additional funding routes.

A resource such as the one described is achievable if it gets the right help and increasingly valuable to the world as hatred and sectarianism rise.

The resource will be free to use, unlike other approaches that charge for access to structured religious information.

For example, when studying Christianity Logos was invaluable: https://www.logos.com/, with plans ranging from $294.99 to $999.99

Please feel free to critique any part of the project structure or approach if you disagree, we welcome any suggestions for improvements as we do not have all the answers.

Members are free to insult us if any part of the project is offensive or we are being patently unreasonable. I hope neither of this is the case as we have been very careful with this.

The token ecosystem enables contributors to participate in the creation of something truly useful that I would use myself and hope my children would too.

We will be writing more on how charities can use this model when building projects of value in the next few days on our blog.

If there is any element of this that still unsettles you, please let me know and I'll try my best to answer.

If you think this is a useless project, I'd also be appreciative of understanding why so we can hopefully make it better.

Do you know the most dangerous thing beside extremist from all religions of this world, Men with shiny suit , banks controlling life of billions of poor people over the world with debts and interest , Men with shiny suit spreading war over the globe to fill their bank accounts, Trillions of dollars wasted on war and weapons and their own country are full of homeless, jobless people, they cant even afford to pay for basic health care...........ofcourse no one can talk about men in shiny suit and what they doing to our world!!!

Pre-sale cap: 999 ETH , better asking for 99999.99 ETH? Bitcointalk is the heaven of every scammer and sucker of this world.


@Emadm How person like you know that much about crypto and ICOs, ETH, if you are not an old scammer (dont tell me:my friend idea etc.....) and btw links you provided means nothing.

[Emadm]

Do you know the most dangerous thing beside extremist from all religions of this world, Men with shiny suit , banks controlling life of billions of poor people over the world with debts and interest , Men with shiny suit spreading war over the globe to fill their bank accounts, Trillions of dollars wasted on war and weapons and their own country are full of homeless, jobless people, they cant even afford to pay for basic health care...........ofcourse no one can talk about men in shiny suit and what they doing to our world!!!

Pre-sale cap: 999 ETH , better asking for 99999.99 ETH? Bitcointalk is the heaven of every scammer and sucker of this world.


@Emadm How person like you know that much about crypto and ICOs, ETH, if you are not an old scammer (dont tell me:my friend idea etc.....) and btw links you provided means nothing.

Dear Dolores,

I agree with you that there are major issues with the current financial system and extraction of rents from people to concentrate in the hands of asset owners who hoard the wealth.

This is the reason that the economy is starting to stagnate and radical and extreme ideologies are gaining in traction, leading to increasing hatred and fear.

We discuss this in the white paper and the excerpt that can be found here: https://medium.com/ananas-blog/extremism-and-mount-stupid-5afa0eec7d4e

Essentially the "American Dream" or equivalent is no longer available to too many and the result of this is anger and a demand for change, while those in power wish to maintain the status quo.

But the question is how can this be adjusted? If you listen to the Bloomberg podcast I linked at the end I discuss an initiative I am advising to give free biometric smartphones to refugees to help them reclaim their identity and discussing with major aid agencies.

All we can do is try to make a difference.

The pre-sale cap is in line with similar projects and is a hard cap. For example, there is this nice project here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2007772.0 that intends to also register as a charity and has a 2,500 cap. I actually think they are more ambitious than us.

In terms of what I know.. I don't know that much but have been learning for the last few years with the rest of the team.

One of the advantages of my current role is that I have been able to speak to some of the top experts in this field.

I also have a degree in Maths and Computer Science and have been programming for the last 16 years in various languages, which has definitely helped.

I will be trying to make some contributions of original thought in the coming weeks on our blog and other sites, particularly in the area of how charities can create market economies to self-fund and create real value and change.

If you look at the white paper it tries to link to best practices and ideas from the likes of Vitalik Buterin, William Mougyar and Naval Ravikant wherever it can to make sure we are not making errors.

If we are, please let us know, all help is appreciated.

[dolores13]

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In terms of what I know.. I don't know that much but have been learning for the last few years with the rest of the team.

One of the advantages of my current role is that I have been able to speak to some of the top experts in this field.

I also have a degree in Maths and Computer Science and have been programming for the last 16 years in various languages, which has definitely helped.

I will be trying to make some contributions of original thought in the coming weeks on our blog and other sites, particularly in the area of how charities can create market economies to self-fund and create real value and change.

If you look at the white paper it tries to link to best practices and ideas from the likes of Vitalik Buterin, William Mougyar and Naval Ravikant wherever it can to make sure we are not making errors.

If we are, please let us know, all help is appreciated.

I almost believed you, Leave this forum and its members in peace, we are sick of scammers and their ICOs , if you are that sincere launch your project from your own money pocket, or ETH is better , you can get thousands of $$$ without any law pursuit.

[niknik1966]

Nonsense. With the help of a coin they want to exterminate Islamophobia. Are you going to scatter in the squares to those who came to you, bombed by the same Arabs? Try it. It will be interesting on you then to look at.

[satria33]

Why go through pre-sale, why not direct sale token
This takes a long time
20th July: Pre-sale / Token Campaign Begins
6th August: Pre-sale Ends
September 9th: Token sale Begins
7th October: Token sale Ends
About 3 months but i hope your project will be success like another ico

[sevenshards]

Very upgraded project, I can get up to 16 stake in facebook campaign, I want to join soon, hope be a very profitable project, good luck

[Emadm]

Why go through pre-sale, why not direct sale token
This takes a long time
20th July: Pre-sale / Token Campaign Begins
6th August: Pre-sale Ends
September 9th: Token sale Begins
7th October: Token sale Ends
About 3 months but i hope your project will be success like another ico

Hello Satria,

The reason for the pre-sale was to engage with the community and attract individuals who would like to be involved in the project as its success or otherwise will be down to the broad range of individuals who help.

We will also hopefully be making some exciting announcements about various elements including new advisors and team mates in the coming weeks as well as posting a series of hopefully informative articles in both crypto and international press.

If we get it right then by the main sale we will have provided more information on our project than any other use of token economies, as well as hopefully have been able to respond cogently to those who disagree with any part of it, whether these are justified criticisms or pure transposed hatred.

I think this is rare in ICOs so far, with most following this framework:

1. Decentralise all things, disrupt an established industry/system
2. Magic
3. Profit

We hope to be a part of the fight against extremism across ideologies but do not have all the answers.

We hope our approach and roadmap are reasonable and can rapidly create something of real value though.

[Emadm]

I almost believed you, Leave this forum and its members in peace, we are sick of scammers and their ICOs , if you are that sincere launch your project from your own money pocket, or ETH is better , you can get thousands of $$$ without any law pursuit.

Dear Dolores,

We have been working on this project for three years, spending our own time and money to do extensive research into the topic.

If you have read or found any more sensible or feasible approaches to the problem at hand (ex genocide as favoured by some), I would be delighted to hear it.

One breakthrough for us in trying to figure out how to scale was the emergence of thinking on the token economy, in which we agreed with Vinny Lingham of Civic in his thoughts here: https://vinnylingham.com/why-tokens-are-eating-the-world-b4174235c87b

If you read through our white paper and model the approach we are recommending, it represents a straightforward virtuous circle of benefit. Anacoin (aside from sounding like an naughty Padawan) is more a token than a coin per that classification.

This is completely legal and there is an established charity and system in place to make sure proper usage of funds. For the main sale we will be trying to adhere to best standards from escrow to ens addresses.

Part of the reason we posted here is because we thought we might find like minded individuals to help grow our multi faith team. We have already received several offers and look forward to growing with the community as a good example of how to do things right.

The ICO economy is also fascinating in the various elements it consists of, in particular the translations and language capability which will prove useful for the project in bringing on a diverse team of individuals.

If you have specific issues with any element of our approach or governance versus other ICOs I would appreciate your insight.

[Emadm]

BitPotus,

While I am saddened by the Islamophobic and homophobic language you are using I think you might find this interesting.

If you truly believe what you are saying, that war with the Muslims is coming, a holy war or crusade if you will, then it is important that you understand there opponent.

In the case of the jihadist terror groups, you can actually find their operational manuals and strategy as anyone counter intelligence individual can tell you.

One particularly important piece is the Management of Savagery, which you can find translated by Aaron Zelin of the bipartisan Washington Institute for Near East Policy: http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/experts/view/aaron-y.-zelin (unsurprisingly he's not Muslim)

This lays out ISIS's overarching strategy, including trying to trigger the conflict you have described and he language you are using, all planned ahead years ago.

You don't have to take my word for it, plenty of non-Muslims have written on this and analysed it in depth, analyses that are freely available of exactly how they are looking to eliminate the 'grey zone' of coexistsnce.

If I ever agreed with ISIS on something I would take a long hard look at what led me to do that.

We don't agree with them and are a multifaith team doing what we can to curb their rise and that of other extremist ideologies through education, technology and positivity.

Our CTO is Sikh, our Chairman Anglican etc working together to build something the world needs.

[satria33]

Why go through pre-sale, why not direct sale token
This takes a long time
20th July: Pre-sale / Token Campaign Begins
6th August: Pre-sale Ends
September 9th: Token sale Begins
7th October: Token sale Ends
About 3 months but i hope your project will be success like another ico

Hello Satria,

The reason for the pre-sale was to engage with the community and attract individuals who would like to be involved in the project as its success or otherwise will be down to the broad range of individuals who help.

We will also hopefully be making some exciting announcements about various elements including new advisors and team mates in the coming weeks as well as posting a series of hopefully informative articles in both crypto and international press.

If we get it right then by the main sale we will have provided more information on our project than any other use of token economies, as well as hopefully have been able to respond cogently to those who disagree with any part of it, whether these are justified criticisms or pure transposed hatred.

I think this is rare in ICOs so far, with most following this framework:

1. Decentralise all things, disrupt an established industry/system
2. Magic
3. Profit

We hope to be a part of the fight against extremism across ideologies but do not have all the answers.

We hope our approach and roadmap are reasonable and can rapidly create something of real value though.

Thank you for your answer, now I understand why it takes so long time for this project, and i hope the answer you give it will be able to attract many investors into this ico project
Good Luck

[BitPotus]

BitPotus,

While I am saddened by the Islamophobic and homophobic language you are using I think you might find this interesting.

If you truly believe what you are saying, that war with the Muslims is coming, a holy war or crusade if you will, then it is important that you understand there opponent.

In the case of the jihadist terror groups, you can actually find their operational manuals and strategy as anyone counter intelligence individual can tell you.

One particularly important piece is the Management of Savagery, which you can find translated by Aaron Zelin of the bipartisan Washington Institute for Near East Policy: http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/experts/view/aaron-y.-zelin (unsurprisingly he's not Muslim)

This lays out ISIS's overarching strategy, including trying to trigger the conflict you have described and he language you are using, all planned ahead years ago.

You don't have to take my word for it, plenty of non-Muslims have written on this and analysed it in depth, analyses that are freely available of exactly how they are looking to eliminate the 'grey zone' of coexistsnce.

If I ever agreed with ISIS on something I would take a long hard look at what led me to do that.

We don't agree with them and are a multifaith team doing what we can to curb their rise and that of other extremist ideologies through education, technology and positivity.

Our CTO is Sikh, our Chairman Anglican etc working together to build something the world needs.

I don't need to understand the "enemy".

I have first hand experience of what muzzies are capable of in the name of their perverse "religious beliefs"

The War with Islam never stopped.

Islam never stopped trying to conquer the world.

Just because lately the world has become overly feminised and Western males have turned into some pussy faggots thanks to the cancer that feminism

is doesn't mean that some of us are not fully awake and can see through all the BS.

Do you honestly think that some sexually repressed goat fucker who's been brought up believing that if he kills an infidel, he's going to heaven to fuck

72 virgins is going to change his mind by sitting down and having a chat with you?

You are fucking deluded and you are part of the problem.

You are also blatantly after a money grab as well.

Crypto should be free of religion and I have an issue with you supposedly masquerading as some knight in shining armour when you are blatantly trying

to raise as much money as possible to line your own pocket.

Go to fucking kickstarter or some other fund raising avenue if you need to raise funds.

Crypto doesn't need your bullshit

YOU FUCKING FAGGOT.

[CryptoGeneral]

I would like to know why you choose the name ananas? Does this have a particular meaning? Because "Ananas" is the german word for pineappel. Maybe you want to reconsider it for better marketing. Anyway, I think this is an interesting project and I will keep an eye on it.

Hi CryptoGeneral,

Branding is always tough, but we picked Ananas as we are not promoting one ideology but trying to create a platform that is open and inclusive to map them all and give tools to help these communities.

Ananas is good for that because.. It's the one word that is the same in the most languages in the world (!)

There are a few exceptions, but its tough to find something that people recognize in Arabic and Hebrew, Russian and Hindi, Suomi and Turkish.

Makes you wonder what the Brits were thinking when they made it Pineapple in English:

> Sir, this fruit is actually delicious under all the spikes!
> What do the locals call it Sinjin?
> Ananas sir
> Hmm. That won't do, lets call it a pineapple because Empire

We have actually registered the trademark in the EU for the name for an online community and own a few of the domains.

Plus everyone likes pineapples.. Right? 🍍🍍

Didn't knew that the word is this popular. But it makes more sense to me now. Sunday morning and I already learned something new.