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10/09/2013: Chips in hand. Ready for delivery to you.
 
10/08/2013: just got word that chips will arrive tomorrow.

Re-open.  Many of you have expressed the desire to decide on your own who will assemble your chips onto a device of your choice.
the chips are due on October 1st according to BFLs information.
This does NOT affect those who already purchased chips here.  You will have your chips or you will be able to have them made into a device.  Choice will be yours at a later time.

06-18-2013: The group buy is now open.
06-18-2013: intron  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=90707)has been added to the list of hardware designers.
06-18-2013: babcoccl  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=116648)has been added to the list of hardware designers.
06-19-2013: allten (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=29418) has been added to the list of hardware designers.
06-19-2013: first person to join the group buy: eduffield
BFL chip specs:

•    Technology: Global Foundries advanced 65nm technology (IBM core)
•    Die size: 7.5 x 7.5 mm
•    Substrate package: 10 x 10 mm
•    Package type: Standard BGA 144
•    Design type: 100% Hand routed for performance density
•    Power consumption: 3.2 Watt per GH/s
•    Performance: 4 GH/s
•    Performance design: 16 engines @ 250mhz nominal (294mhz max)

I will be placing orders in multiples of 100 with BFL since this is their minimum order size.

price per chip is 0.06 btc.  I reserve to right to raise the price if exchange rate drops below 100 btc (price is based approximately around $60 USD per chip)

Minimum order 1 chip, although I recommend that you order 8 or 16 since it appears that hardware boards may be designed to use chips in multiples of 8, 16 (at the moment).  Feel free to order as many as you wish.

Shipping will be calculated when ready to ship, it will be based on USPS Priority flat rate boxes + insurance (so, inexpensive).  For orders of under 50 chips a padded flat rate envelope (priority or express) label should be emailed to me for shipping your chips out to you.  orders larger than 50 should fit into a medium box.  Please email your label to canary.btc@gmail.com

I personally have ordered 200 chips already.

3500 chips have been ordered..

Current Orders:

Handle	Qty	BTCpaid	Payment Address	Msg Verified	Shipping via	Notes
CanaryInTheMine	100	75.14	----------------------------------------	YES	in person	received
CanaryInTheMine	100	60.0	----------------------------------------	YES	in person	received
eduffield MikeMike	8	4.56	1A5VxUuMDP4CwZfW1mUXTzxxPTJYB4XhxC	YES	-	shipped
MikeMike	2	1.14	1LQBpwMgDMK3LENhTtLHXhrCXJ9pfsEdY6	YES	-	shipped
MikeMike	38	21.66	1LQBpwMgDMK3LENhTtLHXhrCXJ9pfsEdY6	YES	-	shipped
Spieder	8	4.56	1EAxyEvAauJ9n8bA6QYg18fbzoHwnSJFCb	YES	-	shipped
Spieder	6	3.0	1EAxyEvAauJ9n8bA6QYg18fbzoHwnSJFCb	YES	-	shipped
Spieder	26	13.0	1EAxyEvAauJ9n8bA6QYg18fbzoHwnSJFCb	YES	-	shipped
minerpumpkin MikeMike	16	9.12	1BHy8bPqE8Wgneh9383jKKkdzE6Ci75VgM	YES	-	shipped
danattacker	2	1.14	1E26zhEHQq1AgkjnxchuRs1stwVH9X8Gni	YES	-	shipped
ryanb	8	4.56	1GEqSdnBXEfoUqTP7McKkt814YqX2T4Szn	YES	-	shipped
bitpop	36	20.52	1H1siox6dZ84VWCdfUZLuvwXcBR3fC2WfY	YES	-	shipped
bitpop	4	2.28	1H1siox6dZ84VWCdfUZLuvwXcBR3fC2WfY	YES	-	shipped
bitpop	10	5.7	1GdFvVwptBq58heQ2ZmfHBNKtHnEHZnuXF	YES	-	shipped
jftsai	124	70.68	1P96Px196E2UPhhqvWjP7LqebaXYoMuj46	YES	-	shipped
jftsai	4	2.28	1EzEUnG34ChwpARKE4ipQqnJov6TvpZKfK	YES	-	shipped
theHamburglar	4	2.28	1AyAg6vUPFYgWue4dkNhLGWzKC52kunKZ	YES	-	shipped
DeLorean	16	9.12	1CcE3XiYsiQS8KxF3Jh26noPWiK83SgUSu	YES	-	shipped
agibby5	8	4.56	18SZ6C4oJSgkaJhQ1QE3bVp2ANuStejkzH	YES	-	shipped
esdva agibby5	8	4.56	1Eef7EfSyK6cMMzcjNsq1cVTaGDrp2ySEy	YES	-	shipped
serp agibby5	16	9.12	1M6ziSyL3rPr6CnBsr8QMJ7baB8Nh6VixD	YES	-	shipped
-	-	-	-	-	-	ready to ship, need label
-	-	-	-	-	-	ready to ship, need label
-	-	-	-	-	-	ready to ship, need label
TOTAL:	512				13
Remaining:	2988

Payment: Number of chips desired * 0.06 sent to 166kA5CwhRipGvTjCjaoNrFq57BFU92ejT
please do not send unless you can sign a message, if you're not sure what this means, please read this first: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=231673.msg2437407#msg2437407

To buy:
Pick the number of BFL chips to order N; send the total amount C = (N * .06) to the given address;
post your order in the following format: <forum nick>; <N>; <C>; <sending address>
ensure the sending address is under your control, so you can sign with it in case of disputes

Question: "Can we just pay 50% right now for the order to be placed since BFL only needs 50% deposit?"
Answer:   I'm not doing 50/50 because I do not want us to be stuck if people take too long to pay the other 50% or back out completely.  Full payment is required so that payment can be made immediately to BFL.

Question: "Can you please please change the above policy and allow 50%/50%"
ANnswer:  Sorry, no.

Disclaimer: you will not hold me responsible for BFL delayes and issues... what I will do is place the order for chips at the indicated price and send them to you or to any assembler within the United States.  International will be considered for Larger orders and you will have to pay all shipping costs.
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P.S. I will add hardware projects here as they become available from forum users.

I am looking for folks who can assist with the hardware needed to place BFL chips on.  BFL has made this release: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=235892.0

06-28-2013: price per chip changed to .60 from .57 due to USD/BTC change

Reserved

System designers, I'm willing to send you chips from my personal orders so that you can test your boards.  If you are reputable, please contact me.  If you're not reputable, please don't ask me for chips.  you'll get fish instead.

Updates:
Hardware designers onboard:

• intron     has contacted me and will work on BFL hardware.  He is currently also involved with bitfury's chip.  his profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=90707
• babcoccl has been working on the hardware as well, investigating costs etc...
• allten     has been added to the list of hardware designers, I'll provide some chips when I'll get them for testing prototypes.

Great initiative and fantastic compliment to my group buy that requires buyers to supply their own chip credits. Reputable group buy coorinator here people.

interested in the group buy with discounted price   :)

interested in the group buy

Is this looking like an 8 chip minimum based upon the documents BFL has released?

idea of price per chip now?

https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/39198-16-x-25-butterflylabs-chips-redeem-code-400-value

You've suddenly got thousands of people who just saw "Free Cash!" show up in their BFL accounts, but not a lot of people are actually buying the chips, esp with a 100 min count.

This group buy is now officially open!  Let's go!!

Having purchased USB ASIC from Canary before and also chatted with him here a few times I can vouch for his honest, quick and exemplary group buys.

What if I have my own cupones?

use them!!

What would be the price per chip then?

EDIT: and how much I have to put down then at first. Since it is 50% now 50% on delivery...

And when the chip will order when fill first 100 pieces or first 3300 pieces?

Ordered in 100 chip blocks.  As soon as 100 chops are paid for here, I will order with BFL. No point in waiting till 3300 are paid for

I'm thinking about picking up 1 or 2 chips. So, all we have to do is send BTC to your address? You don't want us to PM the order details or anything like that?

I am interested in your group buy

Are you placing the orders as they reach 100 chips at a time?

If it is placed every 100 chips. can you provide us with an estimate on how many chips sold per 100 chips batch?

Is full payment required now?

Thanks

is 0.30btc per chip thats ok

but i think that for begin 50
is 0.3 btc is these ok
i mean if i want one chip is
0.30btc now
and the other 0.3btc when arrived the chips/

Can we just pay 50% right now for the order to be placed since BFL only needs 50% deposit?

Having set up a group buy in this format (but requiring chip credits) I can tell you that what you are suggesting is not an option. This is because BFL prices their chips in USD and if OP would accept 50% down he would be personally liable should BTC drop sharply before delivery date. No serious group buyer would allow this. OP needs to collect 100% and turn BTC into USD on purchase day to protect himself against this possibility.

all orders are listed in OP.  full payment of listed price per chip is required.

hardware guys, please see my post #2 on this thread

added our first hardware designer  ;D see post #2

so what else will be required to create a running system with these chips? How much other costs are we looking at here? Say I go for the 8 chip option.

My initial review has me in doubt of a "inexpensive" quick solution. The board BFL released is a 10 Layer pcb which results in high production costs and lower yields. Combine that with more expensive (vs. Avalon) supporting hardware and you may be looking at similar final costs per gh/s (again compared to avalon).

Haven't fully priced out support components yet but that's my initial gut upon initial review. Anyone else have similar or different opinions?

 :)

they said in approximately 100 days, but there are many orders being placed with them so first in, first out.  it's a good idea to get our orders to them sooner than later.

While I'm not a reputable designer, I would be interested in contributing to the hardware design for this chip - although I have no experience, I am a EE major and interested in learning. How would I start contributing to this project? (I don't think I would accomplish much with a chip)

I already have 96 chip credits myself - so how would this group buy work for me?

this group would not be using your credits.  you can buy chips on this group according to pricing on OP

Ahhh ok.

That's why you were trying to buy all those credits for $2 - so then you can sell the chips for .6BTC (~$63) - so you make about $11 per chip.

So for every group buy of 100 chips, you make about $1000.

Smart move.

and i'm spending money on paying for test boards when they can be had, time to get quotes, meetings, travel ($$$), giving chips to designers if I can... etc...
I bought credits at market rates. started at $10 per credit all the way down to $1.

behold: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237710.0

interested

price reduced to .57 to reflect $107/btc (mtgox)

Sorry newb here but these chips are useless unless you have a board design for them?

no problem that you're a newb, but I'd like to invite you to read the post, at least #1 and #2.  there are other threads that have your answers.
Welcome to bitcointalk!

Thanks Canary, will do.

Read post #1 & #2...Not sure if I'm reading it right but seems like you're getting a designer to create a board for these BFL chips?

So GB is for chips but there's a potential of a working board for these chips.

And you suggest 8-16 chips because that's what the board will req.?

It seems we all want to use our credits.
Canary is there anyway I can buy my own 100 and send them immediately to you as if I bought them from you then go from there?

Ps. We have no idea how much more for
 assembly right?
 
Pps. I cant afford 100 chips, im will to split 50 50 with someone. You get my 42 chip discount. But you must pay up
 front. This is void if
 canary doesn't like this at all.

I don't think you are asking for a profit yet. But id be willing to tip 1 btc, I don't want to deal with the boards. I trust you too much.

Yes, there are hardware guys working on BFL boards.  not all are doing it because of me, I'm not so special! LOL,  there are lots of independent folks who are working on them.
8-16 suggestion is based on what BFL has produced with their own boards...  but I'm guessing PCBs that accept 1 chip may be produced as well.

If you buy your own, you can then assemble them on your own or have them sent to assemblers.
my group buy does not utilize credits offered by purchasers.  I already purchased 3500 credits and intend to use them.  there are other group buys that should allow you to use your credits, check out their pricing.

Ok sorry. I don't want to deal with boards without you

no worries!  you are welcome to join this group buy!  ;D

I'm in for 8

I would just caution that the BFL engine is a bga144 package. You're not going to hand solder that. You need something like this: http://www.manncorp.com/smt/prod-483/BGA-SMD-rework-station-BR790HD.html?gclid=CMCBt9m_8bcCFdKj4AodIUsAjw (http://www.manncorp.com/smt/prod-483/BGA-SMD-rework-station-BR790HD.html?gclid=CMCBt9m_8bcCFdKj4AodIUsAjw)  to successfully work bgas although people will claim they've done it with hotplates. I wouldn't risk a $75 chip trying a hotplate though.

Avalons you can work if you have a nice smaller rework setup.

allten  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=29418)has joined the project.  ;D

and we have the first person to join this group buy!!  ;D

Clicked link and while loading got ready to say "well can't we just buy one of..." Hmm.. Might be a few bucks.. Though I am certain, that with designed PCB etc. the actual soldering can be hired out for fairly cheap @ volume.

Well this one looks reputable 

http://compare.ebay.com/like/130800307082?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar (http://compare.ebay.com/like/130800307082?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar)

;)

Do we know how much the boards will cost?

we will. and it will be kept as low as possible.

who are those assembler?
also those chips are already available, when we reach the 100 amount? or this is just another pre-order?

I guess my concern is when BFL will actually ship. Obviously I don't need to bring up their inability to deliver products in a timely manner.

I am interested in this, obviously, but at the same time, BFL.

This is like drunk-dialing an ex.

When are going to order the next batches? As soon as 100 chips are ordered?
Is there some kind of collaboration between you and MrTeal's buy and potential PCB projects/plans? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223335.0)
Is this buy US-only?

Address: 1H1siox6dZ84VWCdfUZLuvwXcBR3fC2WfY
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I paid for 32 chips = 18.24 BTC
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Signature:
HPWDsbebGWtUkRqioK61v2GlKnzMAClzdrLu3Kfwdn5v44i6sMNRPDUnP2urzdw4ok4MtoKl/3gDAKAYalQ9uZc=

Verified. added to OP. Thanks!

Address: 1H1siox6dZ84VWCdfUZLuvwXcBR3fC2WfY
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I paid for 4 chips = 2.28 BTC
Now 36 chips total
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Signature:
G8OffqI0juGY4iupTaYQ0GWWYnNZjhRXLP84EQSDAgnJf9iEgWpct2rhWdhRL6sLMghBdRsyPCBkCFa PWLwfLZ0=

For those who are working on a BFL board, see here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=239625.0

I know this is either asked or answered, or the answer is impossible to know.  But, does BFL ship all 100,000 Chips at once? Or, are they shipping in some sequence of order?

Address: 1E26zhEHQq1AgkjnxchuRs1stwVH9X8Gni
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danattacker; 2; 1.14; 1E26zhEHQq1AgkjnxchuRs1stwVH9X8Gni
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Thanks a lot!

Thank you!  adding both to OP

Awesome!! working on ordering...

Next order has been placed.  ;D

Address: 1P96Px196E2UPhhqvWjP7LqebaXYoMuj46;1gxwJZpipF5LCuo9vjjAyaiu3SsV28gfc
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jftsai; 124; 70.68; 1P96Px196E2UPhhqvWjP7LqebaXYoMuj46;1gxwJZpipF5LCuo9vjjAyaiu3SsV28gfc
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Bitcoin-Qt uses 2 of my addresses.  Sorry for the inconvenience.

Now we're on a roll

Hi CanaryInTheMine,

I made 2 transactions, totally 72.96 for 128 chips.

Transaction 1 - Address: 1P96Px196E2UPhhqvWjP7LqebaXYoMuj46;1gxwJZpipF5LCuo9vjjAyaiu3SsV28gfc
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jftsai; 124; 70.68; 1P96Px196E2UPhhqvWjP7LqebaXYoMuj46;1gxwJZpipF5LCuo9vjjAyaiu3SsV28gfc
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Bitcoin-Qt uses multiple addresses.  Sorry for the inconvenience.

I think you should post that link

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238052.msg2548143#msg2548143

But yes I think that will be the case... But we still need to work out some optimizations till then... And then hope that BFL send chips ASAP so my Jalapeno will live...

Thought I did!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238052.msg2548143#msg2548143

When you get the boards and test them, please let me know. I will try my best to keep an eye on your thread, but please keep me in mind in case I miss your results.  Will you be releasing your board's design?

no worries!  than you for joining us!! added to OP  ;D

There are still some if's. I Need to sell at lest 100 chips to order sample boards. If we fail first time with the plans we need even more. I maxed out with Avalons that I bought... So I'm currently doing what cost nothing. As are my friend at other company. I will make firmware modifications and they are looking at boards. They are not willing to get in more in then with free plans for now. But they would like to make some money later on with them. At some point plans will probably be public but I don't think this will happen in first weeks of production. For now we are brainstorming in our free time (and then get drunk as hell :) ). The main thing that worries us are 4 layer boards. One off's are expensive as hell... If someone know a way around that it would be useful...

EDIT: I don't get it. You are selling chips without boards like there is no tomorrow and I'm grilled like hell all the time over PM how things will look and so on. Even if it is already in thread funny enough(OK noting new :) )... Probably you having enough BTC for buying 200 helped a lot...

EDIT2: Do not understand that the wrong way. I will earn from 250$ to 500$(depending on payment) with 100 soled chips and use it for test board. I will not touch any other money.

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I paid for 4 more chips = 2.28 BTC
Now 40 chips total
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Address 1GEqSdnBXEfoUqTP7McKkt814YqX2T4Szn

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ryanb; 8; 4.56; 1GEqSdnBXEfoUqTP7McKkt814YqX2T4Szn
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Paid for 8 chips

Will be adding more as soon as i have more BTC

Thanks

How much are the chips if we have the chip vouchers? I have 32 that I would like to use.

He isn't accepting vouchers.

OP updated with recent orders

While me and burnin are living in Germany, how much will shipping cost?

Do you know whether burnin pursues 'serious' plans of making a BFL board? Is he going to receive sample chips beforehand? I'd certainly hope so!
Or are those just rumors?

As far as I know he did express his willingness to do that. Not sure about chips and time of start. I think his words were(not sure if this was him) that he will start as soon as he will end his work on K16. As far as I know they are ready and were ready at the time of this statement so I guess he was referring to his work on GBs so your guesses are as good as my... Or he thinks he can make them better...

But that's a totally relevant post since burnin expresses his intention to rather develop a bitfury board, than a BFL one!
On the other hand, Bitfury is interesting. But will the chips be available, will there be board makers... Outside of Russia?

no more than 1 btc for 1st pound of weight via FedEx express... this is rough... it may be lowered by as much as .2 btc (based on todays exchange rate ofcourse) when I actually ship.  shipping costs will simply be a pass through...

Spieder 8 Chips: 4.56 BTC: 1EAxyEvAauJ9n8bA6QYg18fbzoHwnSJFCb

Thank you! added to OP

I know it's hard at this time to estimate the cost of a board and to estimate how long it will take to design and produce.

Is there any ballpark cost or time frame numbers available?

All info is public and pretty much gets posted as soon as it becomes available on forums here.

I am selling 96 BFL chip discount credits - 6BTC. PM me for more details. Only selling the whole.

sorry, but this is the wrong thread for your post.

Will be price reduced if I provide my coupons?
From where chips will be snet and shipping is included or no?
Is there any other expenses, like taxes or customs, added to basic price? (I dont mean taxes and duties at my country)?

Thank You.
Milan

I dont think OP make much for .57 each chip and all work + buy 100 chips for shipping cost.


ps: some group buy charge you 5us on top with chip code for work.

Hi, your questions are already answered on this group buy page.  please take a moment and read through the posts here.

Newbie here!
What I didn't understand is how much more should we expect to pay here for a working unit with these chips (say I am interested in 8 chips)? Is there an estimate?

New Order: 4 chips

theHamburglar; 4; 2.28; 1AyAg6vUPFYgWue4dkNhLGWzKC52kunKZ

Thanks! OP updated

I'm heading out in 5 hours to make an important trip here ;D

Oh, keep us updated, we're psyched!

DeLorean; 16; 9.12

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If i buy 3 of these how can i get them as a hardware ? I mean how do i get those chip work properly ?

u can use it on new pcb( read post #2) or add chips to Jal pcb.


ps:not easy to do by yourself with BGA chip.

Good luck getting a third chip onto the board without de-soldering the other two. Then, once you have it running, good luck keeping it cool enough to not melt the traces.

There are chips but there is no one who can make them work then ?

As far as I know this is GB for chips only or at list it was. But I'm making the boards as well...That could work but you need special tools that you probably don't have. So you would need someone who has them. 5 chips on Jal pcb would probably work if you have later revision of the board. Buying just chips you also loosing time that you could be mining... If other will go into direction I'm going pcb will work from 1 to 8 chips. But for now I only promising that max of 4 will work. I think 6 should but don't know. Seeing something simulated and working is different. When I have samples I can see how it goes.

rethaw; 16; 9.12 18DGNFf4J6qbskuYGJst49LCfKFRwBzXhw

EDIT: Requested refund  :-\

Address: 1GdFvVwptBq58heQ2ZmfHBNKtHnEHZnuXF
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I paid for 10 more chips = 5.7 BTC
Now 50 chips total
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thanks! you can sign with the address you picked :)

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added to OP. wow! you snuck in 2 seconds before I increased the price to .60 per chip due to btc/usd rate change...  ;D

Hah, wish I could say I planned it that way.
I added signing in the above post.  Wasn't sure if you wanted something else signed.  Just let me know.

delete

price per chips has been updated to .0682 to reflect current btc/usd rate.

price per chips has been updated to .75 to reflect current btc/usd rate.

Is there a guy who can make a board with those chip atm?

several people are working on them that we know of.  and probably even more are working on that who we don't know about yet.

so each chip calculates at 4ghps? their schematics shows 8 slots so will it hold 32gh/s per pcb?

So it is not certain that if we buy chip we will able to use them ?

well... your statement is uncertain.

do you think it's possible to have a situation where people have chips in their hands and just look at them?  I doubt it.  they will work feverishly to create devices and use them.

price per chips has been updated to .85 to reflect current btc/usd rate.

I mean there is no one to assemble a fully working board with these chips right now,is there?

I think more research on your part is warranted to be fully up to speed on the BFL chips...  don't rely on what others tell you.  do your own research please

Bfl released jalapeno schematics, at worst, we can make a bunch of jalapenos.

Canary,

Did they send you sample chips yet?

Jalapenos are fine anything that can be used to mine

Any links to see it

Bfl released jalapeno schematics, at worst, we can make a bunch of jalapenos.

I have requested 70 sample chips already.

Thats good news.

Josh stated that you can receive 2 chips per 100 order

This way we can have a working unit before we receive the chips and you guys can work out all the details.

that's the plan!

Has anyone started any significant work on a BFL chip project?

Out of curiosity how did you do it? Mail? Do you have any direct phone number? I can't get replay from them even after ordering 200 chips...

This just in from Josh:


Anthony is not longer with us, which is why the sample chips have languished. I just corrected this problem today and we have a new person on it... he should be getting the sample chips taken care of over the next couple days.


https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/3014-butterfly-labs-announces-bulk-chip-sales-31.html

Thanks for sharing!!! this may explain why I haven't heard anything since my request...   ;D

I emailed sales

price per chip set to 0.67 btc

BFL has sent me sample chips... I have made solid arrangements to provide some to a PCB designer to begin testing.

Thats great news

At some point, it would be interesting to have some upper and lower estimates on delivered circuit board cost.  Clearly that would be highly volume dependent and I'd expect the designers and guys that handle the mft to make a profit.  I used to do this and know how it is.

Cost range would be nice KNOWING it's only a crude guess.

sample boards are getting ordered tomorrow and then assembled with the sample chips for testing...
once testing is completed, we'll have some idea on pricing...

This group buy has bee PAUSED.  No chips are available for purchase from this group buy.
Will resume after the board being designed is tested.

I cannot wait to see what we will have :)

we might have our asic before BFL ships my singles.

Chris99 at BFL forum is quoting a price of $240 per board which will accept up to 8 chips. I just sent him my sample chips for testing. I think the more BFL clone options we have the better...

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3831-board-bfl-chips-group-buy-chips.html

Yes but I think it will not work with more then 4... They are using BFL Jalapeno board with no changes from what I can see. Not that we are taking much different route... But we did modify power supply to handle 50% more... And the price is a good deal for them :) If BFL send this board with housing, 2 chips and power supply for 273$... And you can get it 25% off...

I trust lucko

My understanding is the $240 includes just the board cost and chip installation. Cooling installation cost is about $30. Chip cost and psu not included. Also his board has not been tested yet.

Lucko, have you got your sample chips yet? If not pm me for contact info.

Yesterday I got a conformation that I'm in line for them... The problem is that it should be shipped already. But we are not at point where this is a real problem since we are still finalize the BOM for the board(BFL didn't give the full list). And there is a small problem with automatic pick and place that is just not accurate enough for mounting this ASIC chips. So we are currently looking for a different solution... It will probably had to be done with manual pick and place unit... I have no idea why this is more accurate but I believe the experts know what they are talking about...

In case we need them I will send you a msg... For now I'm in line for 6 of them but to see full board working 2 more would help. And some might end up "destroy"... They can't be removed from the board once mounted...

EDIT: If you know about someone who did BOM for BFL plate can you send me his way...

This is interesting:

http://www.geek.com/chips/usb-3-5-set-to-arrive-in-early-2014-with-10gbps-transfer-speeds-1558005/

http://www.geek.com/chips/upcoming-usb-superspeed-3-0-will-let-you-ditch-the-power-adapter-1552834/

At those watts I'd rather use dedicated psu than get a 2000 watt psu.

Hi Lucko,

Thank you for your comment.

We use BFL's Single board which it can mount up to 8 chips.

The microcontroller connects all the ASIC in parallel. Also, Voltage specification for every chip is same
and current requirement is 100mA max. Means, in the peak load, the chips will draw 800 (8X100 mA),
thus no reason to increase power supply. I am sure that know that increasing the power supply,
sometimes, has a risk to fry the chips.

Boards cost $240 each including mounting of the chips, but without cooling system. I believe that it is one of the most
competitive prices in the market, considering how sophisticated and expensive is the manufacturing of the boards plus the
assembly cost of the ASICs which needs specific requirements and it is very risky for damaging these delicate chips to be done by hand.

More info
here:   https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3831-board-bfl-chips-group-buy-chips.html

Soon we will upload a photo of our boards!
Next week, boards will be ready and then they will need few more days for the assembly and the mounting of the sample chips.

Cheers,

Chris

If you are indeed just taking the board that BFL released and think you will just plop 8 chips on it, you're gonna fail and upset alot of people who you're trying to get to spend money with you.
you need to do your research.

Thanks for the comment.
I absolutely agree with you, that the board that BFL released nobody can manufacture it as it is, as many pieces of the puzzle are missing.

We used BFL's design with some modifications. We are a group of engineers working in that project during the last month
and we have a lot of experience and facilities in the place we work to manage this project. The boards are already in the manufacturer
and we are waiting for both sample chips and boards to test them together and upload a video of our results.

Cheers,

Chris

Last time you told on BFL formu that you are using slightly modified(from picture looked the same) board BFL relised but that is not Single but Jalapeno... And as far as I know BFL failed to use it for anything else then Jalapeno. As far as I know they don't use it in a Single. And Single is 16 chip board not 8... ???

EDIT: You are lucky that you only have 2 chips :) It will work...

Thanks for your comment.

You dont have to modify the PCB, which is in the picture.
The PCB is the same for boards from 1-8 chips.
The components are different and we modified them accordingly.

Our board is designed to work with up to 8 chips.
Singles have 16 chips as you very well said and mini singles have 8. 

Cooling will be challenging as they are many asics in close proximity, but
with the right cooling system can be managed successfully.

Cheers,

Chris

Well you stated that you are using Single board. Since I didn't see mini single board this is a guess but I think Mini single is longboard with only 8 chips

See: https://products.butterflylabs.com/homepage/25-gh-s-bitcoin-miner.html

It looks to be same size as single board and it is different then Jalapeno that you posted in BFL forum... There must be a reason why BFL is using a different board...

96W cooling is not a challenge as far as I know... This is CPU cooler for hi end CPU... Or low end GPU...

Hi Lucko,

Thank you for your comment.

We doubled the capacitors of the board the BFL published, which I believe that it will be more than enough for 8 hashing chips.
We will upload a photo of our idea soon.

Cheers,

Chris

Canary,  I know you're busy with those erupters but how's it looking for these boards?

Several folks are working on sample boards / prototypes.  I'm working with a hw guy too. stay tuned.

Attention anyone with BFL sample chips:

chris99 at BFL forum may be able to install them on a board or buy them from you:

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/3831-board-bfl-chips-group-buy-chips-8.html

I believe those are just BFL-designed boards... there's a group of people, us included, who are developing custom boards for BFL chips.

If you are interested... If not I can delete this post... Don't wont to thresh your GB... Just got this surprise...

http://www.prorang.si/borad.jpg

Now this picture is not completely finished board... And some components are just put on... But this is a surprise I just got on mail...

I know but power supply is just a test version... Real will have PCI-e... So don't worry...

yes! beautiful pic... the designer of this board has asked for a sample chip... I'm uncomplaining sending him one to Germany.

Just realise that. I thought it was made by us :) Got it from my board team telling me we can use this but they left out this part in first mail... Since we did start to change direction and go away from BFL board I thought they did it. I know they did some other work unofficial before that on it and I was a bit surprised how fast that was but not too much since I didn't know how much work was made on this project...

Is anyone is interested in 8 chips from this group buy? If so, PM me your offers. Thanks

Bought:

https://blockchain.info/tx/e00a222d15626fd1a090596f03ea76068956c56dd500f687d74238175279b2d0

An option for BFL sample chips...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270977.msg2901974#msg2901974

will be re-opening in a few days

:)

Canary,

Does that mean you have a supply for boards?

Here's one.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=267649.0

Anyone want to sell some of their BFL Chips?  I am looking for 8 or more!

I will re-open this group in a bit... sit tight plz, I'll PM you when re-opened too. Thanks!

I will sell you my chips i ordered 8 and they have been ordered by Canary.

Please PM me as well. Looking forward if will be a new lower price device. :)

Re-opened

So what will we do with the chips? How much does it cost for the boards? Thanks!

you can send them to anyone who's offering to provide assembly for them into their devices/projects.

Have you posted order dates for when you ordered the chips?  Perhaps my reading comprehension is lacking here but I am unable to find it.   Thanks.

the chips are due on October 1st according to BFLs information.
-edit updated OP, thanks for pointing this out

updated price to reflect current btc value

Can I please have a refund?

Sorry... Chips were already ordered. Btc spent. Maybe someone wants to buy your chips here?

Selling 50 chips https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=288695.0

I am interested to get 64 chips at the rate of .50 btc if delivered with in first week of october 2013

Who is developing boards for these chips? I don't see anyone listed in the OP talking about board design.

If they are here as expected around Oct. 1st, then you can have them that week :)
Plz PM me. Thanks!

We are building the boards. Now in need of chips :)

http://www.coinmonk.com/miners.php

Sweet!!

Canary I would like my 50 chips sent directly to lucko.

Once shipping costs are established, you can send them anywhere you'd like.
However, I won't ship international, unless you supply the label for that.
Thanks!

http://www.coinmonk.com/images/miner-board.jpg
This is our miner board :) Still waiting for some of the components for assembly and more chips from BFL.

Looking good! what are you cooling it with?

They are using Aluminium 6061 material as heat sink
http://www.coinmonk.com/images/heat-sink.png

And Two fans of 40x40x28 used in the enclosure
http://www.coinmonk.com/images/case-model.png

I am hearing few people have got an email from BFL asking them to pay the remainder 50% and the chips will be delivered with in 1 week or so. Have you got it as well?
If yes, count me for those 64 chips at 0.5 BTC each :) I can do the payment once BFL ships it to you and u have the tracking number :)

Anyone buying chip credits anymore ??? I got 16 I'd like sell  ;)

Sorry for off topic post  :-[

Is this GB still open Canary?

I apologize profusely to those who have been waiting for delivery from BFL, in some cases for over a year, but they appear to be sending out bulk chip orders on schedule. I received my chips today, exactly 100 days after paying my deposit. I bought from KnCminer and Metabank at the same time and have received nothing so far from them. No sure whether this is because it's much simpler to send just chips (Avalon chip buyers might disagree) or because BFL was motivated to collect the balance due on delivery. However this might be a better pre-order model going forward: Collect half upfront and half on delivery...

That is very good news

Any 3rd party boards for BFL chips actually hashing yet?  

I think Lucko's associate is farthest along:

http://cointamination.org/catalog/

But MrTeal and chris99 are close behind.

Thanks doc!

  :)

As you have quoted my response, i just want to know if you are willing to sell the chips?

Our is, yes.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=258622.msg3206955#msg3206955

Yes for some time now... This was the first run of the prototype... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZIc03dKLIs

Now we have a production board but not full 16 chips working... We need to put them on by assembly house... So you will see that soon to.

Given that there is less than a week until the due date, are there any updates from BFL?

Is there any word on actual shipment of the chips from BFL?

Is there any preferred mounting vendor (with their own board designs)? How much would it be to have the chips mounted on boards and have it shipped to US address?

I have some chips credits from BFL - can I use them in this groupbuy?

I am selling my 4chip slot for 1BTC right now, 1st and 2nd half of the payments paid.
This is hashing power equal to 4 x 4 GH/s = 16 GH/s

You can PM me if you are interested.

 

Do the 8 chip boards connect to my PC via USB?

Do the boards come with cooling, a mount or feet of some sort & a power supply?

Do the miners run with the bfgminer software?

I see the price of the chips posted, but how do I find out how much it would cost to have the rest of the miner built such that I can use it?

I'm interested in getting an 8 chip model, but I have these unanswered questions I don't see the answers to anywhere that I need to know first before I commit.

Please would someone advise?

Thanks a lot.

Regards,
NginUS

Chips still available for sale ? Any revision in the price ?

They are, I'm really staying quiet for the most part until I have them in hand so that I can ship as soon as an order is placed. :) hopefully very soon... Watching my email for shipping notification...

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I'll send you a signed message in a bit.

Thx

Good news! I should have the chips in hand tomorrow.  ;D
Those with existing orders, you'll need to email me a shipping label and send me a small handling fee if I have to buy anti static bags etc... Once I know the packaging cost, I'll know what the fee will be.

what kind of shipping label i need?
 i purchased 8 chips

Probably small flat rate box, but I'll know for sure once they are delivered.

do we have anyone in the US to make boards for these chips or not yet?

MrTeal is doing his first run of commercial boards as we speak. He told me it may be a couple weeks before he does a second run.

JeremiahJohnson/Lucko/Cointamination have had my chips since 9/19 but are having trouble testing their board due to poor quality of their sample chips. Should know more this week.

chriss99 at BFL forum supposedly has a team working on boards but I have not seen any hashing from him yet.

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That's 40 total.

MrTeal and ChipGeek are definitely ahead of the pack and I would recommend sending your chips that way. I had the pleasure of meeting ChipGeek this past weekend and he brought along the second-to-last revision of their production board for me to admire. As long as assembly schedules aren't modified, batch 1 assembled boards should be out by the end of this week.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=304250.0

MrTeal appears to be ahead and ready to mount your chips...

10/09/2013: Chips in hand. Ready for delivery to you.

That for A grade chips?

Could you answer our PM please regarding Delivery.

Working on figuring out the best way to package the chips for delivery.

Much thanks!
 :)

Any update on what we need to get you to have the chips shipped?

OP updated with shipped out orders.

PMs went out to the rest of folks who ordered chips.  Need your shipping labels.

Plenty of chips still available, in stock and ready to ship out to whatever destination you choose (within US).

and shipping from zip code 60181 like the blades?

yes, it is!

price updated.
what seems to be the "right" going rate for BFL chips?  anyone have a good measure of the demand for these?

shipping status updated on OP

Demand might be better if we had boards available.

updating price to .30 btc per chip

any more price updates?

Might be looking to buy some chips.
PM IF you have ones to sell.

Sent you a PM regarding renewed pricing.
Could you check it out please.

they are in stock as long as the OP says so :)
PMed you back

.2 could seal a deal.
It's out of my hands.

any open design for the board available?

MrTeal has a project as well as Lucko

Lucko may have just dropped out.

Ouch!

MrTeal stated that batch 2 is the last one they will run

Ouch!!

I'm sure if there's enough volume we might see a batch 3.

Maybe. It would have to be pretty decent volume though. I'm pretty doubtful to be honest

Just an FYI, I ordered a few extra boards so we have space for about another 50 boards as of now. If you want to get your chips mounted, give me a shout at mrtealasic@gmail.com
I'll need the chips no later than Thursday.

I can get those chips to you by Thursday if anyone gets some...
Quick q: how many chips per board on these extras?

Same as the others, 8 chips per board.

updated price

can i ask w much board and assembly cost ?

this is just for the chips.  the most succesful boards are by MrTeal here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=304250.0
and an auction here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=334841.0
Thanks!

Canary

Can you ship the chips straight to mrteal
If I ordered the chips and what is the expected
Wait time till dispatch

Thanks

Is MrTeal doing a 3rd batch?

Do you know how many chips you would need for a bfl chilli

Anywhere you want pretty much... Provide a label and I drop it off. :)

I think it's 8, but this should be verified..

You need 8 chips to fill a Chili. We don't have plans for a third batch though. Lucko might still have room in his Chili build, you'd have to message him.

price at .06 per chip

Available for international shipping (additional fee applies)

Dropped you an offer, I'm toasting chips to see how far we can push a jally.

If it works, lot of jallies out there...

THIS GROUP IS NOW CLOSED.