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Title: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: tctsk8r on July 19, 2013, 09:06:05 PM To this date I still have not recieved a response from Yifu despite providing evidence of purchase and even a walletbit confirmation.
At this point I am pissed and DEMAND a resonponse from YIFU. I am posting on this subforum for visibility as my Newbie one has been ignored. Here is my thread detailing more info. I provide the Transacation and Signature proving I sent the bitcoins. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=255910.msg2764332#msg2764332 Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: tctsk8r on July 20, 2013, 04:56:30 PM Bump for visibility
Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: joeventura on July 20, 2013, 10:16:02 PM Is this the best place for you to get an answer?
Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: CryptoCluster on July 20, 2013, 10:21:21 PM Is this the best place for you to get an answer? I believe it is quite good. As far as I know in many situation only way to get Yifu attention, is to publicly show that Avalon business is not much better then BFL... Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: dogie on July 20, 2013, 10:22:04 PM Is this the best place for you to get an answer? I believe it is quite good. As far as I know in many situation only way to get Yifu attention, is to publicly show that Avalon business is not much better then BFL... Really? Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: kjj on July 21, 2013, 12:15:30 AM Is this the best place for you to get an answer? I believe it is quite good. As far as I know in many situation only way to get Yifu attention, is to publicly show that Avalon business is not much better then BFL... Really? This is a terrible place to contact them. Just like everywhere else. Tickets are ignored. PMs are ignored. Emails are ignored. Even phone calls are ignored. The next step for me is a certified letter from my lawyer to their registered agent. Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: tctsk8r on July 21, 2013, 12:39:30 AM I'm aware this is not the best place, but it's better than nothign which seems to be my only option at the moment. If they continue to ignore me I'll have to find a lawyer as well. This it out of hand. I feel it is fair to publicly SHAME them as well for such terrible communication.
Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: Carlton Banks on July 21, 2013, 02:26:43 PM despite being a happy batch 1 customer, I'm also missing my Batch 2 order, and have totally run out of patience. Batch 1 was no problem, arrived more or less when expected. Batch 2 went very wrong, no order #, no order represented on the store, zilch. The fact that batch 3 customers are now receiving theirs is making me pretty pissed: I paid on February 2nd.
Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: rammy2k2 on July 21, 2013, 02:42:14 PM reading this ... im shocked ... i was thinking avalon is a top quality company, i feel sorry for you guys , u missed a lot of BTC, maybe even ROI for batch #2 .. scary ..
Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: dogie on July 21, 2013, 02:44:12 PM How can you miss ROI on a $2k unit...
Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: jspielberg on July 21, 2013, 02:51:39 PM How can you miss ROI on a $2k unit... I find the USD comparisons tiresome. It is a machine that was bought with BTC. It produces BTC. If they bought it for 65BTC (if the xchg rate ~23 at the time...seems right), they would want it to return 65+BTC. That is the ROI in question. Otherwise they could have just taken their USD and bought BTC directly with it and made a better return (of BTC). Now the trade-in folks are actually paying ~17BTC... and those guys still have a long wait before their ROI is in jeopardy. Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: alfabitcoin on July 21, 2013, 03:50:16 PM How can you miss ROI on a $2k unit... I find the USD comparisons tiresome. It is a machine that was bought with BTC. It produces BTC. If they bought it for 65BTC (if the xchg rate ~23 at the time...seems right), they would want it to return 65+BTC. That is the ROI in question. Otherwise they could have just taken their USD and bought BTC directly with it and made a better return (of BTC). Now the trade-in folks are actually paying ~17BTC... and those guys still have a long wait before their ROI is in jeopardy. Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: Flying Hellfish on July 21, 2013, 04:20:07 PM How can you miss ROI on a $2k unit... I find the USD comparisons tiresome. It is a machine that was bought with BTC. It produces BTC. If they bought it for 65BTC (if the xchg rate ~23 at the time...seems right), they would want it to return 65+BTC. That is the ROI in question. Otherwise they could have just taken their USD and bought BTC directly with it and made a better return (of BTC). Now the trade-in folks are actually paying ~17BTC... and those guys still have a long wait before their ROI is in jeopardy. Would you be able to point out at what USD/BTC exchange rate it will net you more profit to mine say 60 BTC from a piece of hardware that cost 65 BTC to purchase than it would to just hold onto the 65 BTC? Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: Bitcoinorama on July 21, 2013, 04:23:57 PM How can you miss ROI on a $2k unit... I find the USD comparisons tiresome. It is a machine that was bought with BTC. It produces BTC. If they bought it for 65BTC (if the xchg rate ~23 at the time...seems right), they would want it to return 65+BTC. That is the ROI in question. Otherwise they could have just taken their USD and bought BTC directly with it and made a better return (of BTC). Now the trade-in folks are actually paying ~17BTC... and those guys still have a long wait before their ROI is in jeopardy. At what point is the main goal ever about making money in dollars??! Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: alfabitcoin on July 21, 2013, 04:41:21 PM How can you miss ROI on a $2k unit... I find the USD comparisons tiresome. It is a machine that was bought with BTC. It produces BTC. If they bought it for 65BTC (if the xchg rate ~23 at the time...seems right), they would want it to return 65+BTC. That is the ROI in question. Otherwise they could have just taken their USD and bought BTC directly with it and made a better return (of BTC). Now the trade-in folks are actually paying ~17BTC... and those guys still have a long wait before their ROI is in jeopardy. At what point is the main goal ever about making money in dollars??! You want to make money in btc? Well, for that btc must be exclusive paymant without connection to the any other currency! That is not the case today, maybe in future. Those who question ROI have a goal of having profit in any currency has one perspective. Those who doesn't, who only what to mine coins and to hoard them, they have another perspective. Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: k9quaint on July 21, 2013, 04:52:07 PM How can you miss ROI on a $2k unit... I find the USD comparisons tiresome. It is a machine that was bought with BTC. It produces BTC. If they bought it for 65BTC (if the xchg rate ~23 at the time...seems right), they would want it to return 65+BTC. That is the ROI in question. Otherwise they could have just taken their USD and bought BTC directly with it and made a better return (of BTC). Now the trade-in folks are actually paying ~17BTC... and those guys still have a long wait before their ROI is in jeopardy. Would you be able to point out at what USD/BTC exchange rate it will net you more profit to mine say 60 BTC from a piece of hardware that cost 65 BTC to purchase than it would to just hold onto the 65 BTC? ^^This Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: tom_o on July 21, 2013, 04:56:13 PM Would you be able to point out at what USD/BTC exchange rate it will net you more profit to mine say 60 BTC from a piece of hardware that cost 65 BTC to purchase than it would to just hold onto the 65 BTC? The point you're missing is the fact there needs to be two chronologically separated exchange rates for this ;) Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: alfabitcoin on July 21, 2013, 05:03:56 PM I think that difficulty is a easier to predict then btc/usd exchange and thus ROI/profit in usd. But its not over untill miner actually exchange mined btc to other currency ;)
Hope to OP get his unit fast! Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: k9quaint on July 21, 2013, 05:14:24 PM Would you be able to point out at what USD/BTC exchange rate it will net you more profit to mine say 60 BTC from a piece of hardware that cost 65 BTC to purchase than it would to just hold onto the 65 BTC? The point you're missing is the fact there needs to be two chronologically separated exchange rates for this ;) No, you only need one exchange rate. The one at the time of purchase. If you paid in BTC for your gear, you don't even need that. At every point in time, having 65 BTC is better than having 60 BTC. If the exchange rate goes up and you choose to have 60 BTC, you are worse off than if you had chosen to have 65 BTC. If you bought 10 BTC over the counter for $10,000 when MtGox was trading BTC at $100 each. then held the BTC until they were each worth $1001, then sold them, did you win? Should you be happy with that investment? Would you repeat it in the future? Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: tctsk8r on July 21, 2013, 05:38:00 PM Does anyone have any other ways to contact yifu besides PM and claims? Please let me know.
Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: Bitcoinorama on July 21, 2013, 05:42:46 PM Does anyone have any other ways to contact yifu besides PM and claims? Please let me know. Someone did post his mobile number (US) in a thread 2-3 weeks ago. Doubt it's still the same after that. It was a similar complaints thread about batch #1, #2 or #3. I think it was Wayne Chang's thread... Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: alfabitcoin on July 21, 2013, 05:43:20 PM Does anyone have any other ways to contact yifu besides PM and claims? Please let me know. There is a phone number in bitsyncom New York office. Its in newsletter what you receive on email.edit BitSyncom LLC • Phone: 01.347.370.9069 • E-mail: info@avalon-asic.com • http://www.avalon-asic.com Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: DPoS on July 21, 2013, 05:48:29 PM BTC<>$$$ is the roll of the dice, picking a miner maker and if/when they deliver vs their price is the odds of the bet
if you can't figure out the odds of the bet, you are making a blind bet. Sadly most bets here are blind except ASICminer so of course they have the lowest odds of all the bets. (they are a pretty sure thing on getting the miner delivered on time, but high price) the exchange rate is out of your control, stop using that as a basis on the bet. Not getting the miner in a reasonable timeframe is what needs to be addressed. Losing the production of btc regardless of the exchange rate is what matters. tl:dr - don't confuse luck in determing bad and good bets Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: alfabitcoin on July 21, 2013, 05:55:50 PM BitSyncom LLC
• Phone: 01.347.370.9069 • E-mail: info@avalon-asic.com • http://www.avalon-asic.com Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: Carlton Banks on July 21, 2013, 06:15:17 PM From launch.avalon-asic.com:
"How is each batch’s unit price determined? The price of each unit is the current mining difficulty which at the time of writing, just got readjusted to about 6,695,826. We take that number and multiply it by two ( predicting the network speed will double. ) and calculate the return in a thirty day window, which is about 75 bitcoins. See this site for more details." That sounds reasonable. Now where is my unit! 75 BTC in 30 days is no longer possible. Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: jspielberg on July 21, 2013, 06:22:05 PM From launch.avalon-asic.com: "How is each batch’s unit price determined? The price of each unit is the current mining difficulty which at the time of writing, just got readjusted to about 6,695,826. We take that number and multiply it by two ( predicting the network speed will double. ) and calculate the return in a thirty day window, which is about 75 bitcoins. See this site for more details." That sounds reasonable. Now where is my unit! 75 BTC in 30 days is no longer possible. The FAQ didn't say anything about that being the return you should make... that is just the formula they use to set the price. :o ;) Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: Carlton Banks on July 21, 2013, 06:34:45 PM Don't get me wrong, I'm not quite as irate as some people, as I have batch 1 profits to soothe my anger. But still, it's pretty poor business practice to exercise random non-deliveries to customers, I really don't understand it.
Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: tctsk8r on July 21, 2013, 07:45:27 PM I believe it's called selective scamming. If there is no delivery.
Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: Carlton Banks on July 21, 2013, 08:07:28 PM I believe it's called selective scamming. If there is no delivery. It seems very strange to selectively scam different orders from the same customer, and not to do it on a customer basis instead. It doesn't seem like Avalon would have a sensible reason to do so, they appear to have delivered ~95% of units, as a rough guess from what I've picked up in the forum threads here. Even still, it's difficult to guess why they are not honouring all orders properly, so I can understand you're upset. Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: Flying Hellfish on July 21, 2013, 10:07:19 PM Would you be able to point out at what USD/BTC exchange rate it will net you more profit to mine say 60 BTC from a piece of hardware that cost 65 BTC to purchase than it would to just hold onto the 65 BTC? The point you're missing is the fact there needs to be two chronologically separated exchange rates for this ;) So lets run some numbers. Lets also use some easy numbers and assume a 100 times increase in exchange rate from time of purchase to time of sale of coins, sound good? Scenario 1: Customer has (or buys) 65 BTC each valued at $1.00 USD each. This customer now places an order with a hardware manufacture and buys a xxx GH/s miner. He has invested 65 BTC at $1.00 each for an initial investment of $65.00 USD. Now when the miner is no longer profitable the total number of BTC the unit mined was 60 BTC but in the meantime BTC has increased in value 100 times and each coin is now worth $100.00 USD. You sell all the coins and have in hand $6000 USD wow, awesome solid investment right? Lets look at Scenario 2 to see how we would have faired just holding BTC Customer has (or buys) 65 BTC each valued at $1.00 USD, initial investment is now $65.00. At a certain time in the future (for arguments sake lets say the same amount of time it takes to mine 60 BTC with a miner you could have purchased) BTC increases in value 100 times and now is the time to sell. Customer sells all 65 BTC at $100.00 USD and has in hand now $6500 USD. Feel free to plug in any values (different, same, any old number at all it won't make a difference) for the exchange rate at the time of purchase and the time of sale. Two chronologically separated exchange rates doesn't change the maths involved at all unfortunately. Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: Bitcoinorama on July 22, 2013, 12:31:10 AM Would you be able to point out at what USD/BTC exchange rate it will net you more profit to mine say 60 BTC from a piece of hardware that cost 65 BTC to purchase than it would to just hold onto the 65 BTC? The point you're missing is the fact there needs to be two chronologically separated exchange rates for this ;) So lets run some numbers. Lets also use some easy numbers and assume a 100 times increase in exchange rate from time of purchase to time of sale of coins, sound good? Scenario 1: Customer has (or buys) 65 BTC each valued at $1.00 USD each. This customer now places an order with a hardware manufacture and buys a xxx GH/s miner. He has invested 65 BTC at $1.00 each for an initial investment of $65.00 USD. Now when the miner is no longer profitable the total number of BTC the unit mined was 60 BTC but in the meantime BTC has increased in value 100 times and each coin is now worth $100.00 USD. You sell all the coins and have in hand $6000 USD wow, awesome solid investment right? Lets look at Scenario 2 to see how we would have faired just holding BTC Customer has (or buys) 65 BTC each valued at $65.00 USD, initial investment is now $65.00. At a certain time in the future (for arguments sake lets say the same amount of time it takes to mine 60 BTC with a miner you could have purchased) BTC increases in value 100 times and now is the time to sell. Customer sells all 65 BTC at $100.00 USD and has in hand now $6500 USD. Feel free to plug in any values (different, same, any old number at all it won't make a difference) for the exchange rate at the time of purchase and the time of sale. Two chronologically separated exchange rates doesn't change the maths involved at all unfortunately. In scenario 2, do you not want each BTC initially valued at $1? Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: Syke on July 22, 2013, 12:56:12 AM In scenario 2, do you not want each BTC initially valued at $1? It doesn't matter. At any price, at any time, 65 BTC is always worth more than 60 BTC. That's why the exchange rate never matters. Never. Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: Flying Hellfish on July 22, 2013, 01:08:20 AM Would you be able to point out at what USD/BTC exchange rate it will net you more profit to mine say 60 BTC from a piece of hardware that cost 65 BTC to purchase than it would to just hold onto the 65 BTC? The point you're missing is the fact there needs to be two chronologically separated exchange rates for this ;) So lets run some numbers. Lets also use some easy numbers and assume a 100 times increase in exchange rate from time of purchase to time of sale of coins, sound good? Scenario 1: Customer has (or buys) 65 BTC each valued at $1.00 USD each. This customer now places an order with a hardware manufacture and buys a xxx GH/s miner. He has invested 65 BTC at $1.00 each for an initial investment of $65.00 USD. Now when the miner is no longer profitable the total number of BTC the unit mined was 60 BTC but in the meantime BTC has increased in value 100 times and each coin is now worth $100.00 USD. You sell all the coins and have in hand $6000 USD wow, awesome solid investment right? Lets look at Scenario 2 to see how we would have faired just holding BTC Customer has (or buys) 65 BTC each valued at $65.00 USD, initial investment is now $65.00. At a certain time in the future (for arguments sake lets say the same amount of time it takes to mine 60 BTC with a miner you could have purchased) BTC increases in value 100 times and now is the time to sell. Customer sells all 65 BTC at $100.00 USD and has in hand now $6500 USD. Feel free to plug in any values (different, same, any old number at all it won't make a difference) for the exchange rate at the time of purchase and the time of sale. Two chronologically separated exchange rates doesn't change the maths involved at all unfortunately. In scenario 2, do you not want each BTC initially valued at $1? Ya simple typo, guess I was thinking faster than I was typing. Thanks for pointing it out, I have edited my post Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: tctsk8r on July 23, 2013, 11:04:07 PM How do I contact avalon, looks like I may be moving within a month or two, and If i don't get a response from them or the ability to change the address, I'm going to miss it completely. This is just more stress to add the headache. Yifu I demand a response!
Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: af_newbie on July 24, 2013, 02:17:29 PM Does anyone have any other ways to contact yifu besides PM and claims? Please let me know. Hire a professional? Nobody knows, I bet. Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: Carlton Banks on July 24, 2013, 02:43:08 PM My problem appears solved incidentally, and the delivery has been unusually fast, I expect the Avalon will arrive tomorrow or Friday judging by the tracking progress. At the least, the situation is out of Avalon's hands now.
Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: ftping on July 24, 2013, 05:27:51 PM My problem appears solved incidentally, and the delivery has been unusually fast, I expect the Avalon will arrive tomorrow or Friday judging by the tracking progress. At the least, the situation is out of Avalon's hands now. To clarify, you're saying that you received tracking from them today for this overdue unit? Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: tctsk8r on July 24, 2013, 09:26:07 PM Yes, please clarify
Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: Carlton Banks on July 24, 2013, 09:37:25 PM My problem appears solved incidentally, and the delivery has been unusually fast, I expect the Avalon will arrive tomorrow or Friday judging by the tracking progress. At the least, the situation is out of Avalon's hands now. To clarify, you're saying that you received tracking from them today for this overdue unit? I received tracking Tuesday, but figured that exercising patience would be better for my sanity, so I didn't even check. DHL sent an SMS notify before I took a chance to peek, and according to the DHL website, it seems that the unit is well on it's way. The shipping agents appear to have tightened up their logistics compared to reports in Batch 1, but I won't be getting too excited about apparent delivery, it needs to be actually at my home before I start celebrating. Title: Re: Still have NOT RECIEVED Batch #2 Avalon DEMAND A RESPONSE! Post by: Bitcoinorama on July 24, 2013, 09:43:33 PM My problem appears solved incidentally, and the delivery has been unusually fast, I expect the Avalon will arrive tomorrow or Friday judging by the tracking progress. At the least, the situation is out of Avalon's hands now. To clarify, you're saying that you received tracking from them today for this overdue unit? I received tracking Tuesday, but figured that exercising patience would be better for my sanity, so I didn't even check. DHL sent an SMS notify before I took a chance to peek, and according to the DHL website, it seems that the unit is well on it's way. The shipping agents appear to have tightened up their logistics compared to reports in Batch 1, but I won't be getting too excited about apparent delivery, it needs to be actually at my home before I start celebrating. Will you be doing your little dance when it does?? ;D http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/carlton-dance-gif.gif |
