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This thread is not FUD, but facts straight from Josh's "Honest Abe" lips.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html#post43041


https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/3675-refund-policy.html#post45455


On June 22, 2013, Josh stated that there will be no problem hitting 400 units a day once things are in full production. On July 4th, 2013, Josh tells his customer base on the official BFL forum that they are in full production, hence no more refunds.

Ergo, BFL is assembling 400 units a day, readied for shipment the following day. Today is July 24, 2013, thus a total of 20 days of full production equates to 8,000 (I even doubled checked my mathz) of unknown hashrate has been assembled and shipped. For added proof, please click the following link showing thousands of bitcoiners expressing their thanks to BFL for finally receiving their miners:

The only holdup was the inflow of chips. No mention of other parts such as power supplies, for if there was indeed a shortfall, Josh would not only have mentioned it, but would have prepared for it by making sure all parts are in the warehouse like any COO worth their salt would do. Fortunately, there's a large shipment of power supplies at Sonny's Walnut St. address to save space in their warehouse. (http://www.importgenius.com/importers/bf-labs-inc)

I dearly hope that BFL and Josh accepts my humble apology for any angrish I may have bestowed upon them. I erroneously felt that by keeping the heat on them, coupled with looking out for my fellow bitcoiners, was a prudent thing to do.

Now that we have undeniable proof that indeed 400 units are being assembled and shipped daily from the BF Labs Inc. facility, it's just of matter of less than 90 days now, per Josh, that everybody who has pre-ordered an ASIC-based bitcoin miner from Butterfly Labs will soon have their devices up and running, shortly showing an ROI on their initial investment.

Therefore, there's no longer a need for anybody to request a refund from BFL, for your unit will soon be assembled and shipped to you before Thanksgiving, according to Josh. We can all safely assume that since BFL has proven themselves to be a viable Bitcoin entity, they probably have a myriad of products (yet to be revealed to us due to protecting copyrights, etc.) on the drawing board that will no doubt further protect the network, with profits taking a backseat as Josh once said during the London conference at a Bitcoin meetup at a restaurant.

Sonny Vleisides' probation will be up on September 15, 2015, thus emabling him to freely travel the country, allowing him to personally showcase any new product line, thus freeing up Josh to perform his COO duties to an even higher standard.

Currently, BFL has only 35 employees, but mark my words, this viable company is going places, and I wouldn't be surprised to see upwards of a 100 employees this time next year. I only wish I had a crystal ball to see exactly what products BFL does have up their sleeve for The Third Hoorah (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6qVNKL_lI).

In closing, I only have one simple question directed toward BFL or Josh. Apologies if it's been asked prior, for I didn't take time to search this forum.

What's the current status of the FCC certification that Josh mentioned last November, 2012?

God's speed!

~Bruno Kucinskas (barn wood thief at large)~

Congrats, hopefully there are less BFL (with expletives) threads started by frustrated members.

Heard dat! You're goin' love my play-nice mode.  ;D

There have been some logistic problems with shipping. In the photo below, a shipment of Mini Rigs was delayed.

http://cdn.videogum.com/files/2012/02/donkey_cart.jpg

Lolz...minirigs being shipped by a donkey ...AWESOME !!

You do realize that that's Nasser in the lower right hand corner, don't you, miscalculating the tipping point by loading 51% of the miners to the back of the cart? Also, that's an old image, explaining how Luke's Unit got damage during shipping.

two weeks™

too bad your entire post is pure sarcasm.

you guys crack me up on a sleepy afternoon.
 ;D

I LOVE these updates PG  :D

It's great to hear BFL is FINALLY getting up to speed,I may have to order more from BFL to keep the donkeys busy  ;D

Funny he mentions FTC.... think the FTC is getting on his nerves?

*Reads thread title* *nearly face palms* *thinking good god another genius drinking the kool-aid* *sees thread starter* *oh this should be interesting..*

Kudos.

ROI?
What was the price (in BTC) of Single (60GH)? In first days of pre orders?

Last update from Jody:


Wow! 400 units and none of them Jalapenos.

According to Josh, all units on backorder will be shipped before Thanksgiving.

Thank you, BFL, for playing your part in protecting the network and providing such a viable service and products. At the current rate, I see no problem with such not getting accomplished, for simple mathz dictates Josh is correct in his assessment.

BFL is on record in stating that all is well since going into full production and that they foresee no unforeseen problems in keeping up with their current pace.

I sure would hate to be a KC postal worker working the part of town that BFL is located. Them must be some very pissed-off workers.

One simple question: How come Sonny K. no longer posts here or on BFL's official forum, or sends out emails anymore? (apologies if the question is a tad complex) That dude was the bee's knees when he was around.

Was it Thanksgiving? I thought it was Christmas?!?!

Maybe New Years Day?


All back orders shipped by Presidents Day or Bust!

Yeah, but we didnt say what year!  :)

Semantics aside, Josh implied Thanksgiving of this year, 2013. I, too, once thought he was a liar until he posted my home address from a private PM I sent him I took an arrow to the knee.

It still amazes me to see all the positive feedback given on the following thread (linked) by those who've recently received one of them 8,000+ units assembled and shipped out over the course of the past three weeks:

It pleases me to no end to no longer have a nemesis to play with.

God's speed, BFL.

~Bruno Kučinskas~

wait wait this comming from the guy who would nitpick random facts about KNCMiner, comming up with the most absurd theories, and goes on to say BFL is assembling 400 units/day because well you know JOSH said so. Have you lost your mind, or your account hacked?

 ::)  sarcasm is turned on high bro   :D

I think JOSH hacked his account......... ::)

...and so is the treble. How do you guys like the pitch so far?

Need more bass dude  :D

Gotta pound it in to their peasized brains  ;D

That's the Trouble with Treble, you always need a bass:

http://www.heardcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/bass.jpg

Dude, you can't count weekends! I'm sure they don't work on Saturday and Sunday.

So since July 24, there have only been 15 BUSINESS days, that's only 6,000 units shipped!

That's a difference of 2,000!

Josh said they are working weekends. Others will be here to confirm that statement.

Wow, that's amazing! I can't wait for the hundreds of miners I ordered to arrive. BFL is flying high!

P.S. What are you smoking, and can I have some?

It's called "reverse psychology",ain't workin is it  :(

I think it was turned on high w/ bass boost, equalizer settings all the way up, and it blew out the speakers.

You laugh now, but just wait and see what BFL has in store come Q4/13. We may all had a good laugh at BFL and Josh's expense, but look who's laughin' now--them!

Ain't it amazin' how they slipped that full-production right beneath our eyes? Nobody saw it coming.

Well-played BFL! Well-played!

~Bruno Kučinskas~

PS: For those keeping score at home, the following is the number of units assembled and shipped since July 4, 2013, and yes they did work on a holiday.

July 4, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 5, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 6, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 7, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 8, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 9, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 10, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 11, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 12, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 13, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 14, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 15, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 16, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 17, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 18, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 19, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 20, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 21, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 22, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 23, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 24, 2013  ~  400 Units
July 25, 2013  ~  400 Units  (to be shipped tomorrow morning)

You guys don't know how it feels to be no longer considered a liar by Josh, for if there was anything in this thread that was a lie, he would sure be here to stick it up my ass. I'm glad those days over, although I sometimes miss the banter with that little prick (insert smiley here).

In closing, one simple question: During your first meeting, Josh, with the person everybody here, including yourself, knew as Sonny K., did you happen to recall his last name? Apologies for being a little pest on this, but that simple questions has been asked of you from day one following your first encounter with Sonny K. We all understand how sometimes questions get passed up accidently (busy schedule and all) and pretty sure that that was the case with this simple question not yet being addressed. But now that full production is in full swing, the pressure's probably off, allowing you to supply the simple answer.

I'm sure you know how monumental assholes could be sometimes. Been there, seen that!

quote:

"Jody, would it be possible to give the overall percentage of preorders shipped thus far, broken down by category? Giving us the same pay date shipping for 30 days in a row is very discouraging. Even if that answer is 1% I would be happier to hear that then the same pay date information that we are getting now which is June 23rd every day for a month. It makes me want to punch a baby every time I see that same date over and over.

I spent over 30k which is the price of a new truck and cant even figure out any time frame of when I can reasonable expect delivery. I'm not going to cry if that date is 2 years in the future, but right now, I have nothing. That isn't really fair to your customers who loyally support you day in and day out. Please, can we get some overall percentages? For the love of god and everything that is holy I implore you."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/255-thursday-july-25-2013-shipping-update-page2.html#comment5812

64 Days on June 23rd orders.

Dude, you'll be white-knighting also if you just concede to the fact, like I have, that 400 units a day shipped for the past 21 days is a major accomplishment given all the shortfalls BFL encountered.

And don't forget to ask simple questions at your end of your post so that Josh can address them as he has so promised, similar to what SftSpike asked on BFL's forum back in January of this year: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/690-13-jan-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-41.html#post12289


10 pages later Josh never got around to addressing the question, probably because of CES, of which is more than understandable. But that was then, and this is now--full-production-city. Josh has plenty of time on his hand now to address a myriad of simple questions.

To prove what I've stated above is true, I will ask a very, very, very simple question for all to see how Josh replies.

Josh, where is the data center you own located?

Josh the bfl minister of misinformation. Skilled in providing just the right kind of BS to increase pre-order volume and hold back refund requests. Also very talented at not providing any shred of truth or honesty.

quote:

"“Now on to shipping. In the ~8 hours I was there I saw 2 people box up and ship out 2 large shipments with well over 100 orders… Notice orders, not Jalapenos, some of those orders had up to 4 Jally’s each in them, and one of the 2 people who were working in the shipping dept was only on her second day working with BFL. Shipping by no means will be a bottleneck, they can box up thousands of orders a day with 6-10 people working a good day I would assume. I saw how MiniRigs are going to be boxed up. They have a machine which basically makes a hard foam pillow of which 4 will be placed surrounding a MR. This foam appeared to be able to form fit once put in place and it hardens. Once everything is boxed up and they have a full rack they can have USPS come pick up a load of boxes and continue packaging more.” – “Sonny and Josh both confirmed that within ~7 days after giving the order to go full steam ahead to the assembly plant they can receive thousands of units. So it is just a matter of time before we all have nice presents on our door steps. I see no problems with their entire process.”"

http://www.coindesk.com/butterfly-labs-ship-first-bitforce-sc-60-bitcoin-miner/


quote:
"Even then, a traditional datacenter rack can only handle 20,000 watts of power at a time. According to the Butterfly Labs official FAQ, a Mini Rig consumes 2,500 to 2,700 watts of power at any given time. Right now, that datacenter rack comprising of today’s average servers would only be able to handle about six Mini Rigs."

http://www.coindesk.com/inside-butterfly-labs-the-asic-bitcoin-mining-arms-race/

I'm glad LabRat made it clear with the above. I understand fully now.


This was not one of them 5-10 minute tours. This took time and valuable resources. resources better spent by allowing customers to come by if they wish to pick up their unit from BFL in which they were so kind in forwarding funds to help them develop their product line.

During the same timeframe, BFL was snapping pics for an eBay listing of a unit that was heading to a data center, but once sold it would be returned to the BFL's facility to be picked up by the lucky eBayer who purchased it.


At one time, Josh stated that he was in the process of procuring more floor space at his yet to be named data center.

Joe has the whole top floor of the Oak Tower. I'm sure he'll have no problem obtaining another floor.

Rumor has it that the backup plan is to host all miners at the following address: 1550 Oxen Lane NE, Burlington, KS, where enough power is not an issue.

Simple question time: Josh, how many legs does each work bence have in BFL's assembling room?

Not a very simple question, for it involves numbers, but...: How many data centers do you have, Josh?

http://i48.tinypic.com/163nkj.jpg

Josh has the solution to host them miners:

Update: Since July 4, 2013, 24 assembling days have passed, thus 9,600 Bitcoin miners build by BF Labs Inc. is, or will soon be, in the wild.

According to Josh's own figures, and they must be correct because he's the COO of Butterfly Labs, only ~60 more days remain before all backordered pre-orders are in the hands of monumental assholes, all competing with one another to see who'll get an ROI first.

quote:

"Yep, it's time for a refund... this delay is intentional
If there was a thread of honesty they would step up and reveal why the output is way lower than they projected (please don't insult our intelligence with you can't get PSUs)."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/256-friday-july-26-2013-shipping-update-page3.html#comments

Just visited BFL's lovely forum again and realized something: Josh has posted more in the land of monumental assholes than he had addressing the very people that have provided him and Sonny et al. a very comfortable living on the very forum he built and maintains.

It's a massively cruel reality.

Those at the end and middle of the queue get massively screwed.

Those at the beginning (as long as they probably get it by september) will probably only just get by without much profit for the next year.

[Speculation and humor]

Date: July 24th, 2013

Rep: Tell me about the order we place "two weeks"® ago?
Chinese Supplier: Well, my records show nothing at two weeks ago...do you mean the shipment of parts you sent us on the 23rd of June?
Rep: Yes, that was it, two weeks® ago just like I mentioned.
Chinese Supplier: Well, it looks like we haven't yet finished tooling for your assembling line. It will be ready in two weeks, perhaps?
Rep: WTF, Two weeks®?! Is that really 14 days or 10 business days?
Chinese Supplier: Well, we don't know that yet.
Rep: <Starts sobbing.>
Rep: You don't understand, we have already delayed beyond what is considered a crime. We have the Unethical Patrol for Your Occasional Uncertainty Resolution Society calling our front desk! Ready to file against us. (U.P.-Y.O.U.R.S.)
Chinese Supplier: It may be up to 60 days, I am sorry, there is nothing more we can offer you.

Rep: <hangs up in disbelief.>

Rep on Forum: We are still waiting on your ordered Power Supplies. We know it has been a challenging "two weeks"® but it may be yet another "two weeks" before we have these in.

"Troll" on Forum: Hey! Hold up a damn minute. You said this "two weeks®" ago! Why don't you tell us the truth?!

Rep on Forum: STFUP, you shitty little troll. How dare you? If it weren't for our refund policy I would probably give you back your BTC.

"Troll" on Forum: WTF, Refund my ass! Thats exactly what I want!

Rep on Forum: FU, you'll get your shipment in "two weeks®" when everything is good and ready. <blocked and banned for good measure>

"Shill" on Forum: I would have done worse, great job Rep! You kept your cool in the face of all this BS. You guys are doing a spectacular job, Keep it up!

"Customer(s)" on Forum: WTH, he was right about everything!

"Slock" (hes special) on Forum: STFU you lowlifes, get a fucking clue!

"Shills" on Forum: What he said, you guys are just so fucking entitled. You think you get something when you pay for it....just stupid.

Indeed, the era of BFL will go down as the worst Two Weeks^TM of Bitcoin history

I wonder if BFL employee's need to give "2 weeks™" notice   :D

The term should be updated to, "2 weak™" to ship..........do I hear a song  ??? :D

Two Weeks!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY5KTVA_2ys

 "BFL is Assembling 400 (not 300) Units a Day!"

More like they are assembling 400 lies a day.

Master lie assembler Josh (and all the other of his forum sock puppets) are hard at work on this forum.

At least Josh only has to tell half the lies, with the other half coming from his equal, Jody Drake, as per her own admission.

I have to admit, this Sonny guy is good! He no longer has to post a damn thing, enabling to distance himself from the lies while he manages the books.

BFL once had 22 employees when they announced that more customer service personal were about to hired. Now, they're at 35 employees, with yesterday Josh crying about not having enough CS to handle the problems because there's only so many hours in the day.

Exactly what does a dozen CS personal do since they no longer have to deal with refund requests? We know it's no longer taking pre-orders, for that too has ceased.

We even learnt that the PSU line is currently shut down due to not being able to procure those parts. Remember, a shipment of 10,000 PSUs were shipped to Sonny's Walnut Street address. Surely, BFL didn't go through all those already, did they?

LOL!! Guess now we know why they are having issues with PSU supply line :P

BTW, when/where was this discovered?

"We even learnt that the PSU line is currently shut down due to not being able to procure those parts. Remember, a shipment of 10,000 PSUs were shipped to Sonny's Walnut Street address. Surely, BFL didn't go through all those already, did they?"

*If there is a source for the above statement please provide a reference, else assume invalid

Take all the CS people and have them handle supply chain issues, clearly they have no parts to build anything but Jalepenos and until that changes the Customer service demand will just grow and grow,

Soon they will have to fire all the CS people to fund the attorneys

http://whois.polodomains.com/domain/q51ob5nxVNPYN6ttBLealP0Hv6qPnX8T_info.html


http://www.tradesparq.com/Customs/555686/Customs-Data-Bf-Labs-Inc



Four shipments of 100 pieces, read boxes, with 50 PSUs in each box.

Maybe, just maybe one day all this will be over!

Now if only assembling meant shipping

For Sonny, it'll never be over, for just like his Daddy-O he'll jump from one scheme to another to another to another, ad infinitum, caring nada for the those lives he'll destroy whether strangers or friends.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2000/jul/01/timeline-the-suns-first-50-years/



In 1991, Houston is in Costa Rica with long lost son Sonny Boy putting together their lottery scheme. 1995, Sonny starts Webspawner, of which to this day directs traffic to lottery and sportsbook schemes landing pages. How the fuck this doesn't affect his probation is beyond me. Then again, maybe this probation officer is well aware of this fact and just waiting to spring the trap prior to Sonny Vleisides' probation to end on September 15, 2013. It's a shame that Jody Drake, equal in status to Josh Zerlan, will probably be charged with something as well. Perhaps they'll be lenient on a 63 year old woman.

quote:

"At what point does one just give up? I feel like I'm so close to getting what I've waiting so long for, but I have lack any confidence that these people actually know what they are doing and will deliver. They have lied, and shut us out so many times how can anyone believe what they say. Often they can't even sync with each other to get the right story out. I can definitely understand bumps in the road, it happens, but what is being witnessed is just total lack of professionalism, and competence. Really? we are shipping units without power supplies. So the customers are being sent broken devices, that they must repair themselves, yet the price goes up on their products instead of compensation, well they offer "compensation" of sorts, to some. But even then is it really worth it? Since others are shipping functional devices in less time. those credits aren't worth much.


I guess all of the bragging about no one will be able to deliver a device more that uses less power is true. The devices they are shipping consumes exactly 0 watts, 0, volts."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/4071-what-point.html

And we patiently await your thread to be moderated

And there it goes! thread is deleted!

If they put as much effort into their product line as they did into their forum moderation they might meet their deadline. No wonder everyone on their forum loves them

And this is exactly why for the past 30 days plus days I've been spreading the word about BFL on other forums, comment sections, etc., under a different pseudonym(s) because I don't want my innocent sockpuppet(s) to get sued.

I am surprised that Josh hasn't yet figured out who I am on BFL's forum. I'll give you a clue, Josh: Here's a quarter. That should help him narrow it down.

Leawood KS Police already have a file opened.

Contact this person who is heading up the investigation:


JohnF@leawood.org

Det. John Freeman   (913) 642-5555 X209

I went over to the Mexican restaurant and they had jalepenos, along with some cilantro and onions.

Ordered a burrito. It was good, but it still did not satisfy my craving for my hashing jalepenos.

Went home, and I had to go brush my teeth before the little woman would kiss me.

The good thing about BFL Jalepenos is that, in theory, they aren't supposed to give you bad breath.

But, I would not know about that, since I have not gotten mine yet.

 Thank you for this. I have contacted Mr. Freeman via email and provided information on my case.

But what laws could they have violated in local jurisdiction?  Eliminate all crimes against person (which corporations cannot engage in) from local jurisdiction, and you're pretty much left with traffic, substance abuse, and property code violations. 

Things like wire fraud are federal in scope; securities law violations are possibly state, but never local.

Goodness you folks are so naive.

Local law enforcement does the investigation,
they can turn it over to the State Bureau of Investigation  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_Bureau_of_Investigation)
or turn it over to the FBI

It has to start somewhere.

 

You can also contact Secret Service if its over $10,000 worth.

 I'm going to step out on a limb here and disagree with this. Unless you are the leader of country, I doubt the Secret Service will be able to help you in this matter.

See below link for what Secret Service covers.

I once was the victim of fraud, i contacted the Secret Service.  

http://www.secretservice.gov/criminal.shtml

If i still remember it correctly the limit has to be at least $10k.  This was back in year 2000.

It's not like the Secret Service has a office across the street from one of BFL's known addresses. Or is it? http://www.ckfraud.org/secretsrv.html


Hey, Joe, go check out this 25 E. 12th St. address.
Goddamn it! Why do I have to be the one to walk across the street to do this?
Buy you lunch at Zaina's.
You're on!

<few minutes later>

Very funny, Mac! Zaina's was closed. Here's my report.
Hehehe!

they deal with anything monetary fraud because they are associated with the United States Treasury.

Fraud, Counterfeit, Scams, Money Laundering and more.

 TIL... Thanks for that.

I think this is the wrong approach.

The Secret Service is not going to allocate valuable resources to investigate uncertified electronical devices prone to heat up and possible catch fire when remotely overclocked by entities in Russia, China, etc., housed in high-rises filled with 100's of people and sensitive data center equipment, when the worse that could happen is the sprinkler system would kick on, thus disrupting a multimillion dollar nerve center.

Since that's not going to happen, I suggest we continue the no permit route. That'll learnt BFL to mess with us monumental assholes.

Just thinking about BFL Jalapenos will give you constipation and/or diarrhea.

what's stopping him to produce miners and give them to their customers ?  *Money*
These guys started collecting money to make a dream mining  machine, when they got enough funds they started working on it and finally made it but they thought if they started shipping miners, people will make alot money and they will get nothing.

Why?

If people will get their miners on time they will start making bitcoins in huge quantity and try to dump them for cash and price will fall.

So they thought to keep peoples unassembled miners and started mining with them since last year and they shipped few hundred orders so they can get more investments.

I am also sure that they have invested money in some exchange sites to dump their bitcoins for cash every month..

quote BFL_Jody

Tuesday, July 30, 2013 Shipping Update
136 Comments  Go to first new comment
by BFL_Jody  , 07-30-2013 at 09:49 PM (3549 Views)
Jalapenos still shipping Nov 14, 2012 pay date

Little Singles shipping June 25, 2012 pay date

Singles June 24-26 pay dates (no orders from June 23 shipped)

MiniRigs from June 23 shipped.

Today was a very good day at BFL. A lot of units built, tested and shipped. Thanks to the person who said they got tracking numbers. Most of the people we ship to don't post on this forum because if they did we would be seeing many posts about getting tracking numbers. Really, if this blog makes you so angry, why read it? Reading my boring blog is not going to make your order ship faster.

Address Change Specialist is not their titles. It's just that I have a couple of guys working for me that are very good and careful with address changes. We never said we would not change your address--that was a competitor who said that. We only said we are not shipping to someone else if you sell the item.

The rat terrier is packing up his toys to go home. The chickens say, "Good riddance. We have a lot of business to do on the porch once we get rid of that dog."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/259-tuesday-july-30-2013-shipping-update.html

For the above red text to make any sense, they would have had to assembled, tested and shipped over 3-400 units on this date, for since July 4, 2013, that's the volume they've already proclaimed.

My guess is about 100, 200 tops, and this makes Jody jump up and down. I can only imagine two dozen people staring through the window separating Jody's desk and the warehouse, as they watch in amazement the process.

Now, I'm going to read the 136 comments on Jody's post to see how right I am.

You have a point there, and I'll stand corrected.
 
It's just that it seems to me that any possible crimes or regulation-violations are so clearly Federal in scope, that it seemed odd to me that a local KC detective would be involved.

Halfway through the 136 posts and guess what I learnt? My BFL bashing on this forum is nothing compared to what I've read over there.

To be clear, when I post, a majority of the time I do such prior to reading what's taking place over at Camp BFL Blog & Forum.

There's a post on that blog showing an image of the Titanic. I'm sure it's suppose to mean something, but it eludes me. I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean somebody's ship is coming in.

Has anybody else noticed that Sonny Vleisides has posted anywhere for several months now?

Awesome

Can u post some links as I love to watch  as these (insert foul language here ) finally get what they deserve

One guy honestly believes that 1/3 X 3 is still in play, even after he was corrected.

Josh just posted over there, commenting on GPUs.

quote BFL_Josh

"Once again, we aren't discussing that in this particular context. We are discussing why some people can't post in the shoutbox.

As to why people are banned, if you want to post like a child or be a troll, then, well... go to Bitcointalk. They love trolls there. If you want to act like an adult, well then, you're welcome here."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/4102-butterfly-labs-protest-5.html#post50228

BFL forum

"A lot of the posts and people who gets disappeared are not spamming in the sense that they are selling or advertising something...

Just pointing out things that are inconvenient. It's enough that Caesar gets annoyed and label it as "spam"."

 It speaks to a lack of principles and shame to hate this place so much, yet spend so much advertising money here.

 Amusing comment coming from someone evidently incapable of acting as a rational adult, if his posting history is any indication into his psyche.

 This is the truly staggering part to take in, and again, speaks to a truly bleed-edge technological breakthrough in their Reality Distortion endeavors, to speak nothing of their high quality Bitcoin ASIC mining products.

 Despite all the community outrage and disillusionment here, even with the active censoring and post deletions, it's still worse of a shit-show there than these forums will ever be.

 The sycophantry on their forums often approaches nauseating levels.

 It's genuinely sad to see the BFL folk (Josh and Jody specifically) acting the way they do. Maybe they will learn better on their next project should their enterprise survive this present debacle.

EDIT: A gem.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/4105-hire-20-more-employees-assemble.html

https://i.imgur.com/mMYplfL.png

I believe Josh was in NY for the conference. I wonder how he felt when BFL once again wasn't mention on any of the official flyers.

I must admit I feel sorry for him having to walk around alone knowing the people nearby are talking about him.

Rumor has it that one guy did have an in depth conversation with Josh until, that is, he realized Josh wasn't the new janitor.

yep he was, you should check his cool smiling face here with another ASIC preorder business manufactuer from Sweden.) (KNC)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/p480x480/556679_1403706953182518_251192158_n.jpg

Oh no  :o  Well,there goes KnC down the drain.They'll delay just like BFL & Avalon now  ::)

Thanks Josh for corrupting another one  >:(

We need better security to keep other ASIC manufacturers away from him  :D

I wonder if Josh will be smiling as much on thehttp://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/Redscott/wantedposter_zps3dc70794.jpg FBI's Most Wanted posters

I heard Det. John Freeman is mining on BTCGuild these days...

Just stumbled across this image  ::)   I thought something had been edited out in the original picture posted... he just seemed to happy to be standing next to Josh.
http://s23.postimg.org/vh0gr13d7/haha.png  
(Rated R!)

not exactly 400 ...

http://ow.ly/i/2LIWm

http://static.ow.ly/photos/original/2LIWm.jpg

I see ~120 priority boxes taped up and sitting on a dock. BFL could've easily taken a pic every single day since July 4, 2012, Full Production Day, depicting 100-400 boxes on the dock. Do they not realize how far showing such images would have carried them? They wouldn't even need to pay out one satoshi for advertising to garner more sales if they did such unless, of course, this was their biggest day ever in shipping, and Jody snapped that pic prior to having to change her underwear.

What are you talking about?

If you put on your BFL spectacles, you will clearly see 10,000 boxes. I don't think they know how to count. (9x3x5=135 minus any negative space = ~120)

Three people can box 120 boxes in about 3 or 4 hours. Especially if it is the same process over and over again.

How many people work at BFL in the shipping department?

Now that BFL has shown positively that we is in Full Production, there will NOT be any more refunds unless you get it from PayPal, your CC, reverse from your bank, or via Bitcoin, but good luck with that one. Obviously, one can get a refund provided they're willing to jump through hoops to get it. Why don't we just honor refunds directly, you ask? Because anybody kind enough to help fund our now wonderful operation, affording the staff a comfortable livelihood, are monumental assholes. Period!

Now, if you excuse me, it's almost noon, and I'm started to hear Josh whining, wanting his fooler. If he keeps this up, he'll need braces to correct his developing buck teeth.

quote BFL_Jody

No, we will not post quantity.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/4084-how-many-items-being-shipped-per-day-actual-quantity-2.html#post50423

how-many-items-being-shipped-per-day-actual-quantity


Jalapenos: none shipped today

Little Singles: we shipped through July 23, 2012

Singles: All shipped through June 26, 2012 and into June 27, 2012

MiniRigs: Biggest shipment so far. Still from June 23 orders

And the faithful sheep/shills (sheels?) chime in

Wasn't a minirig around 5300BTC when orders opened?!? NOT SHIPPED YET?!? :o

It's conceivable that you could've ordered a minirig(1.5Th/s) on June 23 2012 for 5000+BTC and still have NOTHING to show for it...not even 1/3 of your order. Ouch.

Give or take 5, there are 134 boxes in this picture.

I see what you did there! You added another box on each stack when are backs were turned. I counted 8, but now there's 9. Well played!

I guess it's possible that 300 were shipped that day: ~134 via USPS; 134 to Joe's Data Center; The rest to undisclosed locations control by Josh and Sonny.

quote

"BFL should really own up to their misjudgements in this case. That is really what this is about. BFL misjudged their delivery dates. Not owning up to it makes it seem like it was a lie, or a deception in order to get pre-order money. The reason for the anger is not so much the delivery date we now have, but the lack of truth when we made our decisions to invest in this product. The defensiveness and lack of transparency of the BFL staff has also compounded the issue. You ask us to be patient and trust you, but give us no evidence that anything is really changing, that shipments have gone up, or that you really have done anything to ship closer to your recently purposed shipping dates. This after failing to meet dates in the past...do you really wonder why there is a trust issue?

I hate to do it but I think canceling is starting to become a reality for me. I was dead set against it because the numbers looked like a good investment...but well..they just get worse and worse.

Give us some transparency so we can make informed choices. Give us a by order deliver date that you can actually make with current output, and then give us a pie in the sky date if output ramps the way you hope it will. Oh and start treating your customers like they are always right...even if you think they are loons.

Treat us right, we will treat you right..not that hard. Right now...just seems like lies."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/267-saturday-miscellaneous-answers-page5.html#comment6679

Worst purchase ever. Had you simply kept the bitcoins you would have over half a million dollars instead of the crushed hope of having a mining device someday.

May, June, July, August ...

quote BFL josh 06-15-2013, 09:46 AM

"As a thank you to our customers for being patient with us as we move towards fulfilling our shipping we are instituting a chip credit program for all pre-orders..."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/3272-customer-appreciation-chip-credit-program.html

quote BFL forum

"This equates to almost no movement, let me explain:

Jalapenos: Nov 19, 2012 pay date
the day before it was Nov 18th so one day of production.


Little Singles: August 27-29, 2012 pay date
This appears like a lot but no one orders Little Singles its the least ordered SKU so to ship 10 days you have to get about 15 units out the door.

Singles: June 27, 2012 pay date (the last June 26 order of 12 units shipped) there are a lot of June 27 orders and I think about 1/2 are shipped.
Still working on the 4th day of production, been on June23rd to June27th for over 80 days

MiniRigs: No MiniRigs shipped today.
DUH

So keep thanking Jody, Thank her again at Christmas, Twice on New Years and Again on Presidents Day.

While its not her fault, she has no parts to build your orders and/or she has no people to build your orders.

End of September? Ha! September 2014 Maybe."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/277-friday-august-9-2013-shipping-update-page3.html#comment7020

quote BFL forum

"Hmmm. 5 days' worth of jalapeno orders (partially) shipped in a 7-day period.

If we extrapolate that production rate for the next six months - multiply by 5, carry the 3 - that means the order backlog will be eliminated by approximately...

NEVER"

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/277-friday-august-9-2013-shipping-update.html#comment6995

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6536/hy2g.jpg

quote BFL forum

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/off-topic/4145-backlog-cleared-september-nuh-uh-warning-maths-12.html#post52643

"Updated Data!

Current Rate:

2nd July 2013 till 16th August 2013

Jalapenos: 19th September 2012 to 5th December 2012 (+17 days shipped on last weeks figures)
Little Singles: 24th June 2012 to 10th September 2012 (+79 days shipped on last weeks figures)
Singles: 23rd June 2012 to 30th June 2012 (+4 day shipped on last weeks figures)
Minirigs: 23rd June 2012 to 21st July 2012 (Batch 1: +28 days on last weeks figures, Batch 2: +1 day on last weeks figures)

That means the ratio is (R=DO/DP):

Jalapenos:
77 days to 46 days production (1.67 (+0.09 on last weeks figures) order days per 1 day production)

Little Singles:
136 days to 45 days production (3.02 (+1.52 on last weeks figures) order days per 1 day production)

Single:
7 days to 45 days production (0.15 (+0.07 on last weeks figures) order days per 1 day production)

Minirigs:
Batch 1: 55 day to 45 days production (1.22 (+0.51 on last weeks figures) order days per 1 day production)
Batch 2: 1 day to 11 days production (0.09 (-0.16 on last weeks figures) order days to 1 day production)


As such the estimated shipping date of an order placed today would be (S=(B/7)/R):
Jalapenos: 22 Weeks (~18th January 2014)
Little Singles: 16 Weeks (~7th December 2013)
Singles: 393 Weeks (~27th February 2021)
Minirigs: 46 Weeks (~5th July 2014)



Josh's 'Backlog Cleared By September' Rate:

Jalapenos:
9th August 2013: 15th December 2012 - Missed
16th August 2013: 15th January 2013 - Missed
23rd August 2013: 15th February 2013
30th August 2013: 18th March 2013
6th September 2013: 18th April 2013
13th September 2013: 19th May 2013
20th September 2013: 19th June 2013
27th September 2013: 20th July 2013

Little Singles:
9th August 2013: 6th September 2012 - Missed
16th August 2013: 21st October 2012 - Missed
23rd August 2013: 5th December 2012
30th August 2013: 19th January 2013
6th September 2013: 5th March 2013
13th September 2013: 19th April 2013
20th September 2013: 3rd June 2013
27th September 2013: 18th July 2013

Singles:
9th August 2013: 14th August 2012 - Missed
16th August 2013: 1st October 2012 - Missed
23rd August 2013: 18th November 2012
30th August 2013: 5th January 2013
6th September 2013: 22nd February 2013
13th September 2013: 11th April 2013
20th September 2013: 29th May 2013
27th September 2013: 16th July 2013

Minirigs:
9th August 2013: 10th August 2012 - Missed
16th August 2013: 27th September 2012 - Missed
23rd August 2013: 14th November 2012
30th August 2013: 1st January 2013
6th September 2013: 18th February 2013
13th September 2013: 7th April 2013
20th September 2013: 25th May 2013
27th September 2013: 12th July 2013"

Not a lot hits... just misses.

Tsk tsk tsk. Poor Josh I wonder what happened? Pretty low average per day shipping isn't it? Really? My word.