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This is how I discovered it... I made a post yesterday on the meta section thought to provide some value for the forum. I get it, this was very poor of me. I was fucked up and out of my fucking mind or why the hell I would do that? Click here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3013604.0) for the post.

Reply got so far...

https://prnt.sc/ijgmdk (I have the humour it's a joke, thanks, no heart feeling)
https://prnt.sc/ijgmzv (good one, thanks for the advice, appreciate it)
https://prnt.sc/ijgnfu (sorry if i ruined it, i am a dumb ass, please excuse me, yeah right!)
https://prnt.sc/ijgnxz (I guess you need a break as well)
https://prnt.sc/ijgozz (looks like I am sanctimonious prig  :o )
https://prnt.sc/ijgp8e (  ::) )
Then i received this comment ( Click here to read the full comment not just screenshot like above (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3013604.msg30997322#msg30997322) ) from nullius. I was surprised first to see the loooonggg essay then I read it full. well-done by the way for this long post and thank you for the changed title for me in your local language I guess. I figured out from google that it means this https://prnt.sc/ijgs65

I am not sure if this was really necessary or not. I started researching the account and found a lot of members really respect the account holder. I started to take the blame to myself thinking well, yeah leave it, I made a mistake writing the post at the first place. Then I saw this reply ( https://prnt.sc/ijgt6u ) from Alia

Now this struck me... Jr. Member, Activity: 42, Merit: 105, Posts: 350!!!

No doubt this account holder is giving everything for this forum. Account created on January 28, 2018. Not even one month and the account already made 350 post and earned 105 merit! Low ranked member like me, this account is an ideal account to research.

These are the merit source for this account

theymos	1	1time
EcuaMobi	1	1time
favours	5	1time
iluvbitcoins	1	1time
The Pharmacist	4	2times
OgNasty	1	1time
Rmcdermott927	5	1time
Foxpup	10	6times
TMAN	16	2times
Tesorex	2	1time
LoyceV	3	3times
Hatcher	6	1times
midvoc	1	1time
Cyrus	2	1times
nullius	23	21times
pugman	1	1time
suchmoon	1	1time
finaleshot2016	1	1time
mjglqw	1	1time
zikabra	1	1time
aTriz	1	1time
Oceat	2	1time
crwth	1	1time
Hydrogen	1	1time
PoolMinor	8	1time
SM23031997	1	1time
mostkey	2	1time
xIIImaL	1	1time

So without any doubt I wanted to see the special connection with nullius, TMAN, Foxpup, PoolMinor, Hatcher, favours, Rmcdermott927 and The Pharmacist for alia since they have given 23, 16, 10, 8, 6, 5, 5, 4 sMerits respectively.

I was more interested to see whats going on with nullius, TMAN, Foxpup since they have given the sMerits 21, 2 and 6 times respectively (I ignored 3 times from LoyceV and 2 times from The Pharmacist coz it's too much to do).

I found nothing with TMAN, Foxpup but for nullius, this is what alia sent...

nullius

20

5times

So when I found alia sent 20 sMerits to nullius and in return alia received 23 merits from nullius, I wanted to see the detail posts on those alia received merits from nullius. I categories them into 3 category.

Category 1: Perhaps worth getting merit
1 Merit for a good humorous post https://prnt.sc/ijfxuw
1 Merit for another good post https://prnt.sc/ijfyam
1 Merit for another may be good reply https://prnt.sc/ijfz9e
1 Merit for really good writing https://prnt.sc/ijfznh
1 Merit for another humorous reply https://prnt.sc/ijg32s
1 Merit for an average reply https://prnt.sc/ijg475
1 Merit (may be) for another average reply https://prnt.sc/ijg7v4
1 Merit for a really well done reply https://prnt.sc/ijg9r8
1 Merit may be a good reply https://prnt.sc/ijga7y ( Wait!!! Is this looking odd? https://prnt.sc/ijgbjo )
1 Merit for a good post (no doubt) https://prnt.sc/ijgc1i
1 Merit for an average reply https://prnt.sc/ijge98


Category 2: Questioned!!!
1 Merit for writing only one line! https://prnt.sc/ijfwkj
1 Merit for writing another line! https://prnt.sc/ijfypm
1 Merit for writing another few lines https://prnt.sc/ijg1qi
                          (The original post was alia's though but do you see merit from TMAN https://prnt.sc/ijg19c ? 6+10=16 merit)
2 Merit for another one line reply! https://prnt.sc/ijg4o8 By the way it was a reply of "nullius" post  ::)
2 Merit for another one line reply! https://prnt.sc/ijg5g1 I guess they already had so juicy conversation before this one line reply.
1 Merit, really nice post "Watch me gamble with your money, (possibly) naked!" (  ;D !!) https://prnt.sc/ijg719  
1 Merit for another one line reply! https://prnt.sc/ijg8ed Please give me a break
1 Merit again do doubt it raise question https://prnt.sc/ijg93h Am i missing something? See the thread title  :D
1 Merit again for one line reply https://prnt.sc/ijgels please i really really need a break!  >:(



Category 3: Could not find the post so we really don't know what was there
1 Merit for a deleted post https://prnt.sc/ijg3oj


I guess I know the secret: On February 16, 2018, 10:57:08 PM ( https://prnt.sc/ijgg6i ) nullius first encountered alia's this post https://prnt.sc/ijfxuw
the post was a very good humorous post which immediately made nullius a fan of alia's. Then on top of it when alia send 16 merits ( https://prnt.sc/ijgfqn ) to nullius on the same day just in few mins difference (February 16, 2018, 11:00:10 PM) then no doubt that nullius has a good biased mind for alia.

This is what I learnt now after carefully watching alia's account. No doubt alia is doing a great job. The account holder knows his/her shit so account like this will keep receiving more merits.

Keep good relationship with higher ranked members, try your best to post some quality posts and always remember those higher ranked members, sMerits will come on your way.

PS: I guess i should forget about getting sMerits and thinking about getting ban from this forum after publishing this post  ;D
This post surely will upset some of the higher ranked members.

_{The merit system needs to be improved or the forum will suffer because of the biased activities of higher ranked members those have enormous amount of sMerits to favour others}

EDIT
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So I changed the title "Thin (!!!) strategy to earn more Merit" to "Thin (!) strategy to earn more Merit - Drama Queen (aka alia) busted Finally!!!"


If we carefully give sMerits each others and do not abuse it (some ideas are here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3033480.0)) then merit system is really doing great work.

PS: Any idea how to remove a red trust since alia sent me a red trust without any actual evidence (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1432468) whatsoever.

Not sure about the higher ups, but since the first link is to COINHIVE I ain't to happy with you!  (I did not click through)

I can't do anything other than report to moderator, but I wish I could!!!!!!!!!!

And your receiving of 4 points of merit, was for begging???:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2727730.msg27917341#msg27917341

Nice analysis!

1. Believe it or not, it is actually possible for a one-sentence post to be meritorious. I understand that you are not capable of such posts - maybe one day.

2. Your Coinhive link is a bit fucked up, it made my laptop heat up a lot. Please remove that, as it is 100x more unethical than what you accuse me of doing.

3. nullius is hardly a "higher ranked" member, he's super new to the forum, as am I.

4. Humans are subjective creatures - I am not a merit source, I am a person, so if I like a post and find it to be informative/well-written, I will award it merit. I find most of nullius's posts to be both informative and well-written; a rarity on this forum.

5. nullius and I are both open haters of people who exchange merit for favours, money. etc. - I have been offered merit points for favours/money multiple times, and I have declined every time.

nullius puts a great deal of time and effort into his posts, and when they're written about me, you can understand why I'd want to give him merit. People like him, who provide posts filled with content and backed with evidence, are the reason that I come here. It's not just me - he's in the list of top merit receivers for a reason. I suggest you start making quality posts (and stop trying to make money from link shorteners), and then you'll understand.

- sorry my bad, just removed it.


- Yes sir I guess I did! This is how merit system is working, begging and pleasing others etc etc

No, if you think begging is the way to receive merit, then you have completely misunderstood its point.

- I believe you. Sometimes one-word could be meritorious if that hits the cause. By the way how come you say I am not capable of such posts LOL. Ain't trying to prove too much?

-Apology and removed it already. So you are saying you are doing unethical stuffs? Don't get me wrong, you are not doing anything unethical you are just taking the benefit of the system in a smart way.

-Yes he is. He is a good essay writer too. Somehow in this forum people think if you are capable of writing a long essay then you are a good writer and you deserve merits.

- I have nothing to say for this 16 merits you sent https://prnt.sc/ijhtz4 (16! come on!! Didn't I say that somehow in this forum people think if you are capable of writing long essay then you are a good writer)

- Thank you for the advice I hope you will take some times and try to read some of my past posts. Again my apology for the link shortening which I already removed.

- I guess you misjudged my humour  ;D I was teasing you when I said so. I completely understand why the merit system introduced at the first place and I am doing my best to play according to the game.

He doesn't just write essays, he writes good essays. Find any reasonable member who thinks his essays are not good, and I'll owe you a BJ.

Hey man, that's extraordinary evidence right there!

oh sheet! are you guys somewhat related in real life? or alia = nullius?! come on tell the truth!

just documenting that you admitted to attempting to pass a virus, and begging for merit.......

Extra ordinary finding!!!
I hope it's not what I am thinking  ;D
However this is a great coincidence  :o

- I already explained it in here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3017678.msg31038305#msg31038305). I think you missed it.

- Not virus to be honest. It was coinhive a kind of link shortener (like google URL shortener) which helps to min XMR from the shorted link when user visits your targeted link. I already said I removed it.

If I had that amount of cryptographic knowledge, I'd be making a hundred mil' off an ICO easy, not busting my ass off in college xD

I'll do it, if you ignore me :D
I just like seeing a Newbie who posts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2847133.msg29207270#msg29207270) decent (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2846750.msg29202252#msg29202252) posts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2846629.msg29200492#msg29200492). I've reported many bad posts and got many accounts banned, it's very nice to find new users who's posts are worth reading. I give Merit to reward them and improve the forum at the same time.

A long post doesn't mean it's a good post.

I think you're overthinking this. To receive Merit, you need two things: quality posts, and someone with sMerit has to read your posts. Both nullius and alia have good posts, they both have sMerit to give, and they're reading each other's posts because they like reading them.

When nullius is really going at it, his posts are so good they become harder to understand for non-native English speakers like myself. I keep looking up words I've never seen before!
That's BlackJack, right?

My bad I ignored you  ;D

I have no problem of someone giving and receiving merits certainly merits and sMerits are for giving and receiving. The sole purpose of this merit system is to credit the content creator and help the community to build stronger. Since we have limited merit source and infinite number of lower ranked members, it's really a luxury to send total of 23 merits 21 times to only one person.

- Yes I know it obviously.

-I guess I need to rephrase it then ...  ;D
Keep good relationship with someone has sMerit and post quality.


I guess for two persons, giving merits should have a limit and also receiving merits should have a limit or the same two user can give and receive merits from each others for infinite times. Someone with having a bad intention can easily take this advantage.

I also think sending sMerit in one transaction (one go i mean) should have a limit. I saw people sent 50 sMerits. This is just too much. May be 1 or 2 sMerit should be good for a post no matter if thats even the worlds  best content.

-Yes it is  :P The user writes really too long and has super energy.

50 is the limit per user per month. You can send 50 in one piece or smaller chunks.
At the moment 50 Merits are mainly used by people abusing the merit system, but that will end once everybody runs out of free merit.

Of course not. I don't play favourites. I'm not really sure what you expected to find, but you should note that everyone who sent merit to alia more than once is on the list of top 50 merit senders (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsend), so it's simply a case of someone receiving more merits from people who send more merits, which isn't even a conclusion worth stating. I also doubt you'll get very far by sucking up to the top merit senders (I can tell you it won't get you anywhere with me).

Did you just call yourself a merit whore?

-Yes he is. He is a good essay writer too. Somehow in this forum people think if you are capable of writing a long essay then you are a good writer and you deserve merits.
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Find one post that was a good essay and was merited but shouldn't be.


Actually, I don't mind seeing 50 merits to be given (merit stats). It gives me something to do, and that's catching merit system abusers.  ;D

I really did not expect to find anything at all. To me, it was just a pattern when I saw you have sent 6 times merit to the same person https://prnt.sc/ijjfox

I really do not expect to find anything from nullius as well. It's just 21 times sending merits to the same person seems odd to me on top of it receiving 20 merits from the same person you gave 23 merits can bring up two reasons...

1. You are intentionally exchanging merits to each others. More correctly I will say, you are liking each others contents so much that you took this merit points to favour each others. There are other people on the forum giving their best deserves your sMerits.
2. Both account owned by same person. I don't think this will be really the real case coz both alia and nullius are creating good contents. For one person it's really impossible managing multiple accounts with providing good contents.


- This is really what I do not like about merit system. You are literally saying receiving merit for my content is favour from you! Don't you think I should receive merits for my contents not to make you happy since you are merit sender? This is abusive in my opinion.

By the way it's a good advice though, I wish I hear you.  :)

https://media1.tenor.com/images/d57c419b86ecd577fa0b537701e1d4b1/tenor.gif?itemid=3552682

- nah! How many times I have to confess that I meant this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3017678.msg31038305#msg31038305)   ::)

The only pattern is that some people, unlike most of the shitposters on this forum, are capable of making multiple meritorious posts (there are currently 15 people who have each had multiple posts merited by me; alia isn't alone in that respect). Those same people also tend to receive merit from multiple senders, since most people who have sMerit to spend tend to agree on what kinds of posts deserve merit.

No, I am literally saying the exact opposite. If you want merit, you'll have to make posts that are worthy of merit, same as everybody else. You won't receive it as a favour, at least not from me.

You seem to have forgotten that merit between two people cannot be given infinitely, because merit is scarce. Let's say nullius and I have 10 merit points and 5 sMerits each. Sure, he can bump mine up to 15, and I can do that for him, but that does not mean that such a thing can continue forever. The only way to make it sustainable is for us to continue making good posts, and to continue giving merit. There's no trade-off happening which you cannot see - I send merits to meritorious posts, and he does the same. Get your tinfoil hat off.

You nailed it on the head, bro.  No-reading-required shitposters have very limited English vocabularies, so I think a lot of what nullius writes sails right over their unwashed heads most of the time.  They certainly can't appreciate why exactly it is that he's gotten so much merit.

I've given out merits to a lot of different users here, and not just to those who are higher ranked.  In fact, I've made it a point to limit the number of merits I give out to legendary members, since they don't really "need" them.  The problem is, and always has been, that bitcointalk is flooded with noob shitposters who don't understand English and don't put any thought into their posts.  The good posts--often by Hero/Legendary members, get silenced amid the roar of garbage posts.  So if it seems like noobs aren't getting a lot of merit, it's true; they're not.  They are in general the least deserving of it, IMO

I agree with what you pointed out, Pharmacist. Newcome users should try improving their English skills first, reading and writing skills in particular. The simple reason is if they can not understand what they read in the forum, they can not discuss, help other users for sure. Writing skill is important when they want to express their original ideas into words, phrases, sentences.
I have seen lots of users in the forum (mostly came from Newbies and Junior Members) posted broken-English threads. I am not sure they came from spammers, who usually using Google translate for their daily boring works; but mostly came from them.
I also hope that merit system will completely eliminate those users out of the forum forever.

Input post into merit generator routine:
     1) did I learn anything from this post                            No
     2) did this post add anything to the thread                   No
     3) was this post funny                                                No
     4) have i not read this in 250 different posts already      Yes
     5) does this post look like an attempt to get merit         Yes
Output: no merit rewarded


Sorry, I need to go to sleep

I think many people are now studying how to get advantages, others can refer to the method, but not necessarily for you, I feel as long as they are posting useful information on it, people who agree will give you the advantages of time.

Yeah, they say people are abusing merits by just giving it to their friends or groups cycle but they are just doing it the same with us, so just ignore the others and just do things that you know it's right.

Pay close attention, we both are saying the same thing.  ;D

We both are on the same page.

In fact we all are on the same page no doubt but we always can not take good decision, it's in our nature.  :)

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- Is that a trick you apply when you encounter someone... "You seem to have forgotten", "I understand that you are not capable of such posts - maybe one day (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3017678.msg31036802#msg31036802)" and etc...?

I guess we both know what we are doing here. I'm not out to change the world nor to wreck it either.

Let's continue with your given numbers... You both have now 15 Merits each and 2.5 sMerits. You can giveaway 2 each. That makes gaining 1 more sMerits each. So again you can giveaway 1 each and now you both again get 0.5 sMerit each. That adds up with the leftover 0.5 sMerit and make 1 sMerit again. Now give each other this 1 sMerit. What do you have now...

19 Merits and 0 sMerits each. Means your initial 10 Merits (https://prnt.sc/ijvxnq) just turned into 19 merits.

Do you see from 5 sMerits each, you both were able to accumulate 9 more Merits each just because you wanted to exchange the merits with each others?
If you were not in exchange mood then you would be given your initial 5 sMerits to some random good posts and in return we don't know what would you get. This is how someone can manipulate merit system if two person decides to give merits each others to gain advantage.

But this is not my point here and you also clearly know what I wanted to say when I said, "...receive merits from each others for infinite times".
You are just trying to exaggerate the topic.

We all know you and nullius are making good post. I never ignored it (https://prnt.sc/ijw194). What I said is this, "...no doubt that nullius has a good biased mind for alia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2846629.msg30424698#msg30424698)".

- Don't bring something that no one is asking for.

Hope you had a nice sleep. I like the what you just did  ;D
I like the way you broke it down and left your feedback. May be merit needs to be more detailed (Just a wild guess  ::) ).

I just came here because of your clickbait title. I just read through the thread, and this is all I have to say:

Stop trying so hard to earn merit. Your post history is worse than decent, and although the quality has been getting better recently (meaning the past few weeks), it's an obvious ploy to try to earn more Merit (keyword: obvious). I'd just like to point out the fact that I (and more than likely others) do not tend to merit posts that are obviously looking for merit.

Contribute something more natural to conversation. Take time to partake and engage in topics that are relevant and topical to Bitcoin. If you don't know what people are talking about in the topic, do a little Google search and try to gain knowledge on the subject matter, and then ask questions that show genuine interest. If your post is genuine, it will show through; especially if we can see that you've taken the time to be a part of a larger conversation rather than just contributing to megathreads.

Give yourself some time and explore the vast sea that is this forum. Get involved, and make some friends.

But do NOT post passive aggressive topics that turn into sucking up to others. That's the vibe I'm getting from you in this thread. It's unnatural, forced, and quite frankly, awkward as hell.

the problem with this people, they are envious to others that have granted merits, they pulled you down when you have been merited, rank is not a basis if it is highly deserves a merit or not, some newbies have better posts and of quality than higher ranked members, rank is just a laddered system, all high ranked members started as newbies. merits is just a part of that system. if 2 persons are giving each other merits, maybe you should look at their posts and not just the merit exchange, regardless of their ranks.

How long have you and nullius been married? Sounds like a great relationship!

I'm kidding....mostly.


This is the reason all of us should be here. Thanks for rewarding those that give us so much.

-Direct affect of bring the merit system on the table.  ;D

- Thanks for the suggestion/advise.

I am in support of merit system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3033480.msg31207662#msg31207662) coz it was needed to improve the contents however we are giving merit a bad name. We are throwing away merits to someone we like. I'm sure if we would not see who has what rank and if there was a way to elemental the favourite mentality then we would not see all these trash talking with merit system.


- For the record they both are good content creators especially nullius.

They are weak when it comes to pussy. if you have one, show it on camera and get merits. probably I would've be sending out hundreds of merits to alia if I had that many. (actually not, despite being a loser virgin, I'm not weak against girls, that's because I haven't jumped one yet. maybe experiencing matrimonial intercourse, could develop a weakness in me).

You just bought another idea on the table  ;D
I wish I had one LOL

Im a nuvie here and I want to ask you guys what is the basis for "merits. I read it here that even a single liner post can receive merits. My understanding is that your post  should make sense and is very relevant to the topic a hand. Can anybody answer my question, please.

I have spend almost last 24 hours to read only two posts on the forum. One about alia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032057.0) and another one about aTriz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3038096.0). Here I am thinking I have now a proven point to claim that I was right at the time of writing the original post.

After reading both posts above, it's obvious that alia was literally fooling everyone even, theymos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032057.msg31217052#msg31217052). So in my OP if you get an impression about nullius giving alia merits for her (his, their or whatever doesn't even matter) so called relevant and high quality posts then it's obvious that nullius was just a victim like other especially aTriz.

The strategy from alia was really very simple. She (he, they etc) simply targeted few highly reputable members like aTriz, Lauda, TMAN, Foxpup and others, not to mention nullius, made a circle around them and started taking benefit of the human weakness (Trust).

Great job scam_detector (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1887512)  ;D

PS: I was in vacation since last 3rd March so I really do not have much update about the forum. I will move my focus after posting this thread.

Dude you should be focused on yourself and stop trying to figure out why some peeps are getting more merits than others as people give merits based on how moved they are by a given post. You can't tell people whom they should or shouldn't merit. It's their merit and entitled to their gifting. The merit system is flawed and I think you can't do much about it.

What am I doing wrong?

Clearly merit farming/trading is happening. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3168616.0)
mdayonliner's Red Trust removal T&C (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3186068.0)
My steps to deal with the merit users (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3202458.msg33290729#msg33290729)
Merit hole and 3 fixes might work (Worth looking) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3033480.0)

All I am doing is, trying to be a dutiful and loyal member of the community.

A lot of you seem to want to red trust people for abusing merit.

I did my research on "trust" for this forum. It seems very important. Merit, however, does not seem very important.

It appears to me that someone who had multiple accounts (and who made tons of posts with those accounts), was trying to add to his merit and now you want to bust him.

While I understand why you are upset with someone cheating, aren't there more important things going on with this forum? How is this getting so much prime attention when hundreds of millions of dollars worth of scams have gone through this forum with people being ripped off every day.

There are so many of these threads in "Meta". So many wannabe FBI agents up in here.

- I am not sure if there are any requirements of being 18 and 18+ to join this forum. If not then there should be. If you do not spend your money with responsibility then what can other do? You are an adult and you live with the choice you make.

PS: Merit is a big deal for this forum. I'm sure you are missing something here.
Please read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0

You've done nothing wrong, but it appears that you don't have a coterie, so merit will take it's own time; also don't slip up carelessly; people out here are far too jealous to digest an objective honest review. They'll neg you without thinking twice and then call you all sorts of name to avoid reasonable arguments, while they wouldn't even criticize far worse actions by people who are in their pack.
Remember, probity is the best wisdom, but it rarely does the individual any good.

Thanks mate for all these kind words. I believe in my decency. I also realise that most of the time the odds can be against me. But it does not matter however I do take extra care. This is why I always believe in 2nd chance  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3186068.0). It's a risky business to be dutiful to a community by being really ethical, those who will not agree with you they will attack you always with whatever they can. They will try to stop you. But I have nothing to lose here. I want to do something good for the community.

I love the concept of decentralisation and Blockchain.