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Very good video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hgA9j-4dB0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

She mentioned bitcoin at the end

some good points raised

I think so. Before the video posted, there is person pointing out that there is no gold in somewhere .

Can you paste summaries? Some people in this world could not open youtube.

I've seen that too. I think the scandal came up with this story
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/everything-is-rigged-the-biggest-financial-scandal-yet-20130425

Quite a lot has been said. Basically she is saying that the FED is planning to melt down the US economy and come up with a new currency 4X less valuable than the Chinese Yuan and that the whole financial sector is rigged and corrupted.

Say the dollar would really crash, say this year. What would it do to Bitcoin ? Im no economist, but id say it would either skyrocket or go valueless.

Anyone got some tought on that ?

Thanks for your kindly pastings :)

This woman is so right about everything it blows my mind.

If you want to know more, just look for Karen Hudes on Google. She does have good things to talk about

Here I found it. It was Jeff Berwick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M67TU_3-pJk

If the dollar would crash this year you'd be better off with some assault rifles, a fresh water supply, and some off-grid shelter.  They'll be nothing orderly about a systemic crash.  People hoping for it are fools.

The crash began 100 years ago, sped up a bit 15 years ago.  Some good friends will go a lot further to help you out than assault rifles will. 
I can unplug my roof from the internet and it still works. 

We have more information, tools, etc. at our fingertips than ever before.  We are better equipped to deal with this than ever before.     

Well, if dollar is valueless then Bitcoin would sky rocket. Assuming you are converting Bitcoin to dollar, but to other currency which have not crash would be same.

I'd say it depends on how badly the crash affects things.

If it just causes some global social unrest and hyperinflation, with the infrastructure still pretty much up-and-running, I'd say bitcoins would skyrocket.

If we're talking a "Mad Max"-level collapse, well... forget anything digital, better to be stocked up on ammo, and just have your gold buried... it'll be worth a fortune, but probably not for several years at least.

Watch out for the after hours metal detector dudes, that's one electronic contraption that might become really popular all of a sudden  ;D

I agree mostly, I just think that other currency values would skyrocket too because people would think "if it could happen to the dollar, it could happen to [whatever] because we're following many of the same policies."  This is if this is a somewhat orderly collapse. 

If it is a TEOTWAWKT type scenario, then all bets are off.

We're living in an age of transition, we just don't know it yet because it's happening too slow to recognize it for what it is. 50 years from now humanity will look back and say ''that was the time when the global population woke up and got rid of the great paper fiat scam and its economy.''

im afraid we might loose our means of communicating also. once mobile and internet networks are down - we are back in stone age. except of elite surely.

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The vids are a very interesting find. Thank you for sharing

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From her last response, someone should contact her and get her set up with a bitcoin wallet. Sounds like she could use some help. :-D

This^

hehe well I live the Euro zone so no worrys there hehe, only have 1 USD in my pocket

but but, she said it would be a smooth transition.  :P

Transcript:
http://rt.com/shows/sophieco/world-bank-us-shutdown-820/

it wouldnt matter as almost all trade is in usd. most world currencies are tied up to dollar as reserve. the whole world will experience hyperinflation.

Broadcasted on the RT, Putin owned and KGB/FSB propaganda soaked media network...

All the more interesting they are promoting Bitcoin.  ;D

Putin & co wants disorder for their own dirty purposes, and Bitcoin is useful to them now. They would kick it out of their agenda as soon it's not needed. These mobsters don't care about human liberties, far from it.

Who cares about their agenda, in a few years bitcoin will become too big to give a shit about any country or their agendas. Just hang on tight, it's going to be a wild ride but in the end it's human liberty that will prevail. I don't think it will be as smooth a transition as Karen Hudes thinks it will be though.

to make descent judgement one have to absorb the other side too. american public is now subjected to much more state propaganda than ussr ever had. the thing is, in ussr everybody knew that news were bs and noone really took anything serious back then. though propaganda got extremely sophisticated in the last 50 years or so. the news are not happening anylonger - they are created.

It seems that the media does pump out some propaganda.  Hence why I never watch the news here in the US.  We at least have the ability to watch news from other countries and get on the internet so our freedoms are not entirely usurped.  There is certainly some manipulation though.

The only completely unbiased news source regarding the government is cspan.

Great tip. Thanks.

Yeah so people can no longer brag that bitcoin has no value because even the dollar is losing its value.

I don't know about tons of gold being stored somewhere, it could be true but maybe not. But a lot of what she's saying is absolutely true, not just the corruption going on at the highest level. Don't discredit her just because of a few things that may seem unbelievable to you.

Someone who comes out with things like this:

Just sounds plain nuts, so why should I pay any attention to anything else she says?

I suppose you can prove this wrong?

If I said that nuclear power stations were actually running on leprechaun juice, and someone said I was wrong, would you ask them to prove it?
She said something nutty, let her prove it.

I can't prove that there aren't tiny pink unicorns at the bottom of your garden, but you know what, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there aren't anyway.

OK
So maybe you can explain us how the world's corruption is actually going on instead of just bashing everything?
That will be way more constructive for us.

No, why should I try to rework her words into something comprehensible?
The questions was whether she was a reliable source or not.
IMHO, given some of the nutty things she has said, not.

Maybe, but what she said in this video is factually correct and most of it fairly easy provable.
Nobody is always 100% right but does this makes you 100% wrong?
If I would quote all the nutty things you have said, with your logic, your are not a reliable source of information for us.

So these thing are factually correct?


I'm not holding myself out as one. I'm not giving TV interviews, am I?

For the things that I can't prove I still prefer believe someone that worked at the World Bank and that has a lot to lose saying those things than a nobody like you trolling anonymously on a public forum.

I have come across many opinions or views during my life that I found completely ludicrous when I heard them the first time, until I discovered later that they actually held some truth. I'm not saying that the above is true or not, as I simply do not know enough about the subject and I have no information to confirm or deny what she's saying. But I'm not going to say she's nuts just because it sounds unbelievable to me. How can you? She obviously didn't have time to explain everything in a short interview, so why don't you ask her some questions yourself about this if you're so sceptical?

How exactly am I trolling? Or does that simply mean not agreeing with you?
What does she have to lose now, she's already been fired.
If she was saying these things while still employed there, then she would have a lot to lose.
It is entirely up to you who you choose to believe, but there are lot of red flags in her interview.

To be clear, I haven't said she is nuts, I've said that in that interview, she sounded nutty. Because, well, she did, didn't she?
Maybe she was just having a bad day, who knows?

I didn't think she sounded nuts at all, although I can understand how people who don't know what's really going on might jump to that assessment.

I've heard most of what she said before. US taxes going to UK? True, if you consider the private (undisclosed) banks running the Federal Reserve as "the UK." That money going to the Vatican? I've heard rumors to that effect, but have yet to see evidence... but given the weirder things that HAVE turned out to be true, I'm not going to just dismiss it because it contradicts my current "normal" worldview.

Good video but looks like the girl's fashion show ;D

One thing most of the people don't understand is that the new money is not backed by debt (they are backed by NOTHING), as long as this common misconception spreads, bankers can have their party much longer

For example, every month FED print money to purchase government bonds. If those money are really backed by government bonds (debt), then the ownership should belong to government. Government should OWN both bonds and money

But in reality, government sold those bonds to FED in exchange for money to spend. This means that those money originally belongs to FED. How come the FED have the ownership of those money without doing anything? This is the root of today's problem: FED bought almost everything through printing money, it is much more fraudulent then debt based money issuing, it is pure robbery

As a thought experiment, imagine that the main thrust of her interview had been that virtual currencies like Bitcoin have no chance of worldside success, and she had also make the comments about Hawaiin gold, Detroit taxes going to the Vatican and the Jesuit hold over China.

You don't think the thread would have been full of people picking out all the more extreme statements from the interview, and thinking that they were good reasons to mistrust her opinion on Bitcoin?

I'm sure plenty of people would have done that, mainly due to their pro-Bitcoin bias, but also possibly because they fall into the fallacy of ignoring a sound argument because of other, unrelated opinions of the source. People are what they are. *shrug*

It wouldn't change that her views don't sound nuts to me, considering that I know at least a couple of those opinions are true, and most of the rest are plausible, and that they were all at least tangential to the main focus of the interview (the failing dollar, not Bitcoin.)

You can make fun all you want about people having suspicions about these groups gathering in secrets but be sure that the people in those groups aren't eating cupcakes with a cup of tea when meeting up. Otherwise they won't fight like hell to keep they reunions secret.

Thinking otherwise is either planely naive or stupid

It's not even really in secret anymore. It's common knowledge know now that they meet, and their writings show they're pretty open about their end goals.

When European royalty, U.S. government officials, the CEO's of major multi-national corporations, and other assorted powerful figures are filmed regularly meeting every 2 or 4 years, it strains credibility to ignore the possibility of conspiratorial motives, and presume they all just want to discuss the best schools for their kids or some other fluff.

It is my understanding that Dollars are indeed backed by nothing (Fiat) like you said, but are also backed by Debt as they are lent into existence at an interest rate to the Users.

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GMRS requires a license (inexpensive), although the chances of getting busted for unlicensed GMRS use isn't very high.  Just keep in mind the fines. :)
 
Now in an anarchist situation (say zombies, or total societal collapse), then no one is going to give a shit, and that's why I mentioned this radio, since you communicate with others if you need to on the various bands.
 
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Yeah Murraypaul is correct. She's a nutcase, after saying stupid shit like this I have no need to listen to anything else she says. Ok, she worked at the world bank, that doesn't give her anymore credibility in the nonsense shes saying. I agree, and many of us on this forum agree that the US dollar is heading for default and there are shonky dealings going on in the background in the finance world. But just because you believe that and she said a similar thing, doesn't make everything she says a miracle and theres a conspiracy or insider knowledge. Too many crazies on this board.

:D +1

They have their shit together, which is why everything is so shit, and that it couldn't get much worse without concentration camps and human ovens, or nukes detonated Jericho/Revolution/etc-style.

It's nice to see people finally realizing the shit going on behind the scene.

only habdful of us. most people are so tired and fed up with news bombardment that they just learned to ignore it and switch themselves off to any thinking.