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As a top 10 merited user I feel qualified to post this guide, this is to help new users and users who are reasonably established to level up.
I am adamant the no1 cause of no merits is poor English, this is something you can change if you are struggling to get merits so if you know that this is the limitation then you need to take some steps

* Improve your English language, this isnt just spelling and grammar this includes using words like Sir & Mr when I see those I imediately asume the person is a 3rd world poster
* Spend the time that you currently use posting incoherent rubbish to learn proper Written English, start with youtube there has to be over 3002 different videos about writing the English Language
* Read a few English books, you can download free Ebooks as a starter, look how sentences are structured common words etc.
* Remember a quality post isnt necessarily a long winded post, using words that make you sound like you swallowed a thesauras doesnt help your cause

Take the above advise and stop trying to level up for 3-6 months you will become a quality poster if you use some more of your free time reading the forum, this doesn't mean bounties, altcoins, speculation all the shit subs.. and only post in a few threads every week, no need to try to max out the activity now, sure you want to keep getting towards the higher numbers but its counter productive when we see high activity and 0 merit. Read technical discussion, read all of the most merited threads, understand the significance of Pizza day, the 2011 bubble, Cyprus, HODL, the fall of all the securities that some of us lost the equivalent of $Millions now.

one other thing, you need to stop these bounties, I know it hurts you now financially, but seeing someone in a low end bounty for $20 just makes me asume they are a 3rd world poster and with a great initiative by BTCforJoe there is an option to help
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3055616.0
That thread is a tremendous Idea so props to OP there

Now take my advise as you will, you are entitled to your opinion but I believe if you took the above actions you will be in a position to apply for the higher paying sig campaigns in 2-3 years from a newbie  that's right you could be earning $300 a week from your signature if you put in effort and took some short term pain think of it as a training course to get 3x the Philippine's average family income.

This will all go above thousands of users heads, but if it just helps one user to get out of poverty by bettering themselves then it was worth writing.  

Edit - link for English lessons https://www.duolingo.com/course/en/ar/Learn-English-Online

Also read the forum rules, I am not spoon feeding you the link as you need to learn to use the search button as well, once you have mastered the search function of the forum you will be able to check if your topic has been posted about before

The other way around this is the list to not get Merit from this people so be careful

I think what you are describing is necessary but not sufficient to earn many merits. I think most thirld-world shitposters would get some merits after following your advice but not a lot, and they wouldn’t be able to join the highest-paying campaigns. I meet those conditions and I am not getting lots of merits.

That is correct, I am speaking sense here. So many of the 3rd world posters think its unfair, they need to realize that many of us have lost millions over the years due to scams and poor investments this has given many people from the early days more experience than newbies can ever gain.. imagine knowing that your mistakes have cost you $3MM at today's rates, how would that make you feel?

Quality posting comes with experience and it isn't a tangible thing, Quality to a bitcoin core Dev is different to an Altcoin kingpin. But users need to be aware many of us were here when LTC was $1 and there are plenty of users here from 2011 that remember the $1 days of BTC.. imagine being Theymos starting the forum when BTC was worth nothing, it had 0 value when this place started and all he sees is entitled 3rd world posters using Engrish to spam the fuck out of this place, bots posting total horse shit hundreds of times a day.

The forum has unique earning opportunities that happen to be massive to 3rd world users, life changing sums and for people who want to better themselves and integrate into the community we should try to assist these people, I mean that is what bitcoin is about.

This is TMAN's thread. These are what TMAN consider's as some guidelines. Its not a hard and fast guideline but a guide that can be followed by the pajeets in trying to earn some merit while posting.


It can be for three reasons as far I can think of:
1. Your posts are not getting enough "Buzz" so to speak
2. You are posting in sections where merit sources doing a minimum patrol.
3. Merit sources are out of merits to distribute ;D

In either case keep posting if you believe you are having good quality and one fine day you will get some merits.

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@TMAN I am sure I dont follow any of the above stated rules but I do get some merits from you at times. Why is it so? :P :P

TMAN, I fully agree with pretty much everything you wrote here, and mainly with your points about language skills.  These shitposters just can't seem to connect language--->communication effectiveness--->+some other variables--->post quality.  They get upset that the community isn't rewarding their cookie cutter shitposts with merit.  They're baffled that their efforts have gone unnoticed and unappreciated here.  The truth is that if you are trying to write in the English section and don't have a good command of the language, you really don't stand a chance at all of getting any merits.  Being a high-ranked member of bitcointalk is potentially very lucrative, and there is too much competition at this point.

What I fear is that there is no amount of words which can force these people to actually read your advice, much less take it. 

For those people on this thread who don't speak English as a first language, take heed of what TMAN wrote here about learning the language.  It's also true that those Asian mannerisms, like constantly using the word "sir" when dealing with people in authority (campaign managers, DT members, whatever) grates on people's nerves, and I, like TMAN, instantly tune out people who do this.  Why?  Because I've learned to equate that particular habit with shitposters, beggars, plagiarizers, and scammers.

And yeah, all of those bounty-airdrop-freebie posts are a hallmark of the typical shitposter--but I don't think people are going to stop doing those, and I'd argue that they don't necessarily have to in order to get merits.  That's one of their motivating factors for being in bitcoin in the first place, just like being in sig campaigns.  It's when they're posting in an actual discussion that everything counts.

One tip I have is this:  Don't post in Bitcoin Discussion or Economics.  Those sections are filled with mega spam threads, and nobody reads anything there anymore.  You'll never get merit if you post in those kinds of threads.

Honestly, this is one of the greatest guides to getting merit points I saw. So as I understand, the main problem about getting merits is due to English language. There is a bunch of members of 3rd world countries here in this bitcoin forum, The majority of them are too weak in English, and they usually complain about the merit system as they can't get any of them. Some of them are good in English, Even if they write long posts they don't deserve any points, the problem is they never use the right words in their posts.

From what I think, To get merit points:

First, You should improve your English.
Second, Improve your knowledge about cryptocurrencies field.
Third, Improve yourself and create the Buzz here.
Finally, I am sure if anyone follows these steps will get a lot of merit points from now on.

Very nice tips and guidelines there. I just wanted to add something to that.

I think, beside well-written English, a person needn't to repeat something that has already been said in the discussion. That is one of the biggest things people (newbies, most particularly, but other members too sometimes) do which makes them look too bad IMO. A correct grammar and the fact of being on-topic are not the only things that represent a constructive post, but the post has to be unique in itself. And that is what most of the people lack while trying to post constructively.

Great discussion points here, keep adding to it and I'll update the guide and change it to the merit receivers guide let's make it a piece with lots of input that is bound to work

Well these are all pretty logical, but for people who can't speak English very well they aren't going to magically improve overnight. It probably takes years to become fluent in English and it's not like they're going to go away and take a course and then come back when they're proficient. As long as they can get paid for their poor one/two liners then they're not going to waste time elsewhere because time is money. The issue is it's clearly people who can't speak English very well forcing themselves to make posts about something they know little to nothing about and that isn't going to magically change anytime soon no matter how much advice people try give them.

Well, thank you so much for your sharing.
I'm interested join on Joe's program, but for now the 3rd round already closed.
Additional for me on your sugestion above.


Read the topic carefully before reply on some thread, and study the thread case first. It will useful to make a good post reply and still on the thread topic as well


Anyway, still not get any merit on mine because before I'm only focus for bounty and now I just realized how important merit for my account  ;D But will try to get it even a bit late.
Have a nice day!

Cheers!
Indohunter

You called me fucking sir? Did you even read all of the op?

My first thought was "nice, irony". Then I saw his post history. ::)
https://coloradopeakpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/doh.gif

I didn't notice it at 1st clicked his profile and saw some bounty link still there, came back and re read his post and wanted to punch my screen

I'm sorry,
My habit  :'(

Wait, will edit it.

Out of interest how much do you earn for all this bounty work? Do you have multiple accounts for them?

Honestly, i'm nit goid enough in english. Thats why i still learning and learn on this forum.
If you see any mistakes on mine, just free to tell me. I'm realy happy to hear any guide from other.  :)

Not good, from december i remember, my etha adsress still count around $18.
As i said before, i don't have much knowledge here.
And seriously, you ask me i have another account?
My answear is No, you can see and if you found any mistake, just inform me.

Right do not post for 2 weeks as merit is your issue not activity this will make a huge difference in ranking up. not one post after agreeing to do this. You will then need to agree to watch 14 hours of basic English lessons on YouTube that's an hour a day and come in here and write a decent post. I don't care what it's about it could be your hobby, kids, job or favourite thing to do on a Saturday if you do that I'll give you 10 merits and level you up..

If you can't do it then just say so but think about the difference spending 2 weeks on your English will have and having 10 merits on your account. Is that worth more than the money you get from bounties now?

@Indohunter, If you tell us more on your alt accounts, we'll help you find the best Bounties, after all bounty hunters are becoming more like male rhinos. I'm lying.

This is just bad English and you either use a translate tool or need to take the actions in my op. Your choice but I do not see you ranking up posting like this

thanks for sending over the merit hunters, you dick.

Just kidding.

Thanks for the kudos and the plug, sir! :D

I don't mind taking in the bounty and merit hunters. I spend a lot of time critiquing their posts, and I really hope that they do take the criticism well and apply it.

For everyone reading this, TMAN is right. Although I've done it in the past, I rarely merit [non-technical] posts that are poorly constructed. While a lot of people complain that it's not fair that non-native English speakers have a disadvantage here, you have to remember that this forum is an English-speaking forum. No one is forcing them to be here, and there are no "rights" as a member here. Simply stated, you have to adhere to the rules and policies of the forums, not the other way around. Bitcointalk does not have to cater to you. Being here is a privilege, not a right. Same with bounties and campaigns.

So it's only fair that many OG members of the forums here are going to frown upon third-world posters who make very little effort to "fit in". Fitting in is definitely possible, as I have made friends with a few users here that caught me by surprise when I learned that English was not their first language.

With that, moving to and living in a third-world country myself, I have encountered a lot of ESL people. They ask me to help teach them proper English, and for the ones with smart phones and computers, I point them towards duolingo. They make it EXTREMELY easy to start learning English for 5 minutes a day. I think that 5 minutes is a minor investment of time to make in order to brush up your skills.

Give them a shot. It's free.

https://www.duolingo.com/course/en/ar/Learn-English-Online

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Thanks for posting this, TMAN.

It's hard handing out merits to total unknowns, the worst are the ones who use far too many words thinking that makes it a quality post.

Mate good luck with your project hope it takes off man

Thanks for the useful guide here. I will also like to give one more suggestion to members here. It is good that the forum allows you to make money by participating in signature campaigns and posting quality content here. Thus,  if you have to improve your English for this, you can go for it. But never rely on this income alone. Have multiple sources of income. Best way to use this forum is by learning about crypto investment here and then using those strategies to actually trade crypto. There is huge money to be made there and the bounties are nowhere in comparison to that earnings.

@Indohunter, you have posted these two posts one after the other, which is against the rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0).
Rule No. 32, which says you can't post multiple posts in a row except for the one exclusion that you can read below:


Read complete list of rules once, and don't do these simple mistakes in future. It can cost you more than you might think it does. If you want to reply to more than one posts then you have the option to quote all of them in one post. You can quote as many posts as you want in your post. So you don't need to quote all of them in different posts to reply them. And also, learn to cut off the unnecessary texts when you are quoting a text and only keep the text that you are replying to. It looks messy when you quote all the texts and just write something for only one of them.

Sorry to derail this thread momentarily, but I need to address this statement. Be careful. You're not a financial advisor, so please don't act like one. Trading crypto is not the best solution for earning, especially when most newbies will have no idea what to research. This forum alone isn't nearly enough to arm someone with the tools to become profitable at trading, so please be careful with giving this type of advice, as it's never as sure of a thing as your post made it sound.

I'll second that advice. Remember, you start off at a disadvantage because of the spread. 'The spread' is the difference between the buying and the selling price, and it is the profit made by the exchange, and their safeguard against losses. In times of high volatility, the spread will be wider. So how does this affect you as a trader? If you buy coins, and then sell them immediately, then you will lose the spread. You do not make any profit until the price has moved enough to cover the loss from the spread. If the price goes against you, then the spread is added to your losses.

I know about arbitrage, but I think that is outside the scope of this thread.

Nice guide pumpkin, I must have become bumpkin after strolling in Philippine.

However this place is much more home than a country just like oneself take granted what is really given.
it is up to a persons decision whether s/he needs bettering him/herself.
 

Anyone suggesting trading to noobs is retarded. Just buy btc and save it

  Step 2.

How to become a god!?
-Learn how to analyse data.
-Learn SQL.
-Learn!

This guide is brilliant, it's really nice to see that people like you and others in this thread have taken efforts to find a solution and finally address a problem that's been there since a long while pre and post merits system. The post quality has improved, but grammar wise not at all, what is worrying that some of these posts are getting merits, which is a worrying trend.

One more point I would like to add is the creation of new topics, which are full of shit and nonsense, yet they're created and get merits, I would really like you to address this stop turning this forum into a dump yard, and make constructive threads. I hope all newbies and other member's follow this guide.

Please learn how to clip quotes. You’re a Sr. Member, which means you should know not to create big ol’ walls of text. You’ll rarely get merited for posts that quote entire original posts... also, just because you make a long post doesn’t mean that it’s a good post. Given your post history, you seem to think so. This is just me being over critical; feel free to ignore me if you like. You’re hardly part of the overall problem that TMAN is trying to address with this post.

Improving English and knowledge about cryptocurrency will take a lot of time but as I can see almost members are trying to earn money asap in here that why they don't choose this long term way, they cheated merit system to get to higher rank :))). Unfortunately, a lot of cheaters got caught by DT member :))). Poor lazy guys

Quoting long posts, or great hierarchies of posts, is one of the reasons I put people on ignore. If a poster is on ignore, then his thread can't be seen, and so he can't get any merit.

I've started to use a meow ( >..< ) to replace a complete 'quote' if I want to reply within a few posts of the original.

Did you even read the OP here?

I think you should suggest books to read, If a non-english speaker went to read huckleberry fin, or the original treasure island I think that would be counter productive.

I don't understand how you can suggest reading books if you don't understand the language how is it supposed to help 

You think I could just pick up a book in spanish and read it and better understand it?

Alternatively, the subject of this thread could be "TMAN'S guide to not making shitty posts"

Thanks to this useful guide, I surely do this from now and then. I am using Duolingo already to learn other language and I'm gonna add English course. You are enjoying and learning at the same time, and of course I do give much time now reading here in forum.

Thank you sir for this very informative guidelines, it didn't waste my time reading this topic cause I've learned something new which I can apply  in making a high quality post. It is also true that making a topic doesn't require a long one, what matter is it should be constructive and informative. ;)

No one is here to hold the hands of members who won't take the time to properly learn English in order to post on an English-speaking forum. If you don't have the basic knowledge or capability of learning how to use Google to find what you're searching for, then you don't belong on the forums in the first place.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=easy+books+to+read+to+learn+english

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Not only did you include the entire quoted post of the OP, you obviously didn't read it. You addressed TMAN as "sir", which he highly frowns upon. It's also in the very third sentence of his post. You are a classic example of the type of user he is recommending not to be. Quoting a post to make your post appear longer is not fooling anyone, and you shouldn't do it. You stated that you learned something new by reading his post, but you obviously did not, as your entire post is not constructive or contributive to the topic. In fact, if your post wasn't posted at all, it would have absolutely no effect on the direction of this thread (except for my obvious reply to you).

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Ironically, the two posts directly after yours were nothing but shit :P

Nice going TMAN.

after the English lessons... https://www.efset.org/free-english-test/

Cheers klaaas.. keep the ideas coming guys then the people struggling cannot moan

This guide looks great for people who are struggling with English language. But some English people, though they are good in their language struggle to receive merits. These guys blame the system as faulty. Some points which could be added to the guide so that English language posters too could receive merit.

1. Post your comments for 0 reply topics. Though it may be a spam board such as Bitcoin Discussion or Altcoin Discussion you would get noted for your sensible comments by other higher ranked members. Even though you have posted high quality post in any of these spam boards and you have not been merited, post your reply for a review in "smerit post review" by bill gator or any other members doing such a service. Never reply to a 500+ or 1000+ topic as it could waste your time.

2. Read a lot in Technical Discussion, and if you feel like replying to a thread there, just do some research on the topic and post your reply. I have seen so many people who got merited to their useful posts.

3. Altcoin Discussion is the grey area where lots and lots of spams are generated for signature campaigns. There are hell a lot of technical topics out there in Altcoin Discussion which were never replied as they were easily buried in spam. It could have been started by a senior guy who has no knowledge in Blockchain or any altcoins seeking for some simple answers. If he gets pleased by your answer, he would merit you. And such kind of simple reply topics will never be answered as they will easily be swallowed in spam boards.

4. If you are member or lower rank, never try to join in Bitcoin Campaigns. Campaigns which are giving out payments in Btc demand a minimum of 25 posts to be posted in various boards. 25 posts in a span of 7 weeks is really difficult for you lower ranked guys which would result in the generation of spam replies. Higher ranked members are really good for their wit and humor and even a one liner reply of them would be really good to be merited. Altcoin Campaigns just demand only 10 posts/week which would be quite enough for us to write at least 5 quality posts per week which could earn a minimum merit of at least 3.

Hope these points would help at least a single member to gain a minimum of 2-3 merits. Please don't accuse me for writing long posts.

I was saddened by the fact that my english language thread was taken over by non-english posters giving advice, and people spamming web services. My idea was for a series of public inter-personal discussions, and I thought this would be useful as examples for many members who are actively improving their English. I still think this idea would be useful, and I hope that someone will start a similar thread in the future. It won't be me though.

Give it some time and efforts will be appreciated fella, whilst all this backlash is going on the 3rd world spammers won't listen. When they finally realise merit is here to stay they will finally get in line

Sound advice, but I doubt majority of the newbie and lower ranking members will have the 2-3 year patience you are talking about. Besides crypto and blockchain is a hot topic now, they need to get into the action ASAP, that's why all the desperation we've seen in the Meta section since the Merit system was introduced. Personally if mostly people do this to get into Sig campaigns, it is worth noting and advising them that Sig Campaigns have reduced a lot over the last couple of months, and also there are other plenty ways of earning money on this forum (my advise to newbies). That being said, if English is not most people's first language, then it's unfair to "punish" (for lack of a better word) them. We as a community on this forum should help the other language sections gain the same "market section" opportunities in their language. After all, we are one global community.

I think this is more effort than most of the 3rd world shit sub posters will ever dedicate to anything. The advice itself is spot on, but if they were willing to do anything that actually took effort then they wouldn't sell their souls for penny bounty campaigns. Just my 2 cents...

Edit - Woohoo my first Merit Point thanks Jet!

I gave you another merit for editing your post, rather than spamming the thread with another post, which I have just done of course.

I must be going soft. :)

I used to despise the 3rd world shit posters, and for the most part, I still do. But just a reminder that the economic demographic of why Bitcoin was invented is to be able to empower those very 3rd world users the courtesy of a p2p trustless currency, which is everything that Bitcoin stands for.

While I do agree that many of those members are bad and contribute a bunch of spam and nonsense to the forums, I have to say that not all of them are bad. I run a challenge that encourages users to improve the quality of their posts and avoid shitty sig campaigns, and much to my surprise, I have seen the quality of posts from these very types of members improve, week in and week out.

That being said, it just goes to show that thoughtful posts with advice for these posters do, in fact, work, no matter how minuscule the effectiveness.

I was always sure that Bitcointalk is a multilanguage forum for cryptocurrencies fans and supporters.

Sooner it was enough to write frequently in your local subforum to rank up.

I know many very knowledgeable people here on the forum and they don't speak English at all. These people are coders, developers, etc.

OP says that they can learn English in 3 weeks from YouTube  ;D to start posting again on BTT and to finally rank up when they gain enough merits. I think this was a joke with this youtube learning OP or April fools?

We all know that if you don't have friends in your local boards and don't speak very good English you can just forget to rank up. There is no chance left for these people who don't speak English, don't have writing skills or aren't enough knowledgeable.

It still is. Its privately owned and its major members are English speaking or at least can write English in such a way that others can comprehend it.

Yeah writing frequently to rank up - gone are those days. Time for you all to move on and get a proper life.

A good command on English is required to in such fields. I dont know who you are referring to but more developers I have seen have decent control of their English.

Its not possible for learn a language in that limited time frame - dont know about IQ status of the learner though. It was in all probability a joke, unless you spend several months on it.

Local communities can have merit sources. This was clearly said by theymos in his post about merit system announcement. Decide among yourselves whom you think is worthy and passes the requirements of being a merit source and ask them to post an application accordingly. Its all here in Meta, maybe you missed it.

Thanks for this summary.

I have seen a lot of Chinese, Russish developers, coders who don't speak English at all and use google translator to communicate. I have actually worked with.

English is not my native language but I have barely few times posted in my local subforum. I am posting 90% in English but sometimes I read local boards and I have seen a lot of posts from scared people. They were always active only on local boards because of bad English skills. Now they don't see any other way to rank up as to learn English and for some of them, this is just not possible even in few years time. So this 3 weeks on youtube must be a joke.

if anyone wants to do a fancy infographic of the guide to getting merit I will lay some merit on them

Just include a 3rd world poster in infographic and TMAN would really love it. it could be your last chance to receive some merit don't waste the time create that clean infographic now.

How about google translate user?

They should punch themselves in the face 20 times every time they post.

I agree with you , I think nothing the cheapest for a quality !
and infographic of the guide to getting merit, please check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2901152.msg29880354#msg29880354

Infographics will hurt my fingers, lol. Please don't send them merits and promote them to overuse infographics. Please, Sir TMAN (just kidding because I love the idea of Theymos on Politeness point).

Here you go senpai ! Here's my Infographics for "TMAN'S Guide To Getting Merit". Hope you like it  ;)

Hi everyone,

good day. hope you guys doing well everywhere you are.
Two weeks ago I've replied in this Tman's thread.
And unfortunately I've made mistake here, the issue is because I'm poor in English. To see full conversation you can go here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3182178.msg32995813#msg32995813 . And then Tman's give me a chance to improve my english by following his guides and do not make any posts on my account during learning. And also I'm learning how to create a decent post by reading and study on the post from higher rank members..
and now I'll try my best after two weeks learning on youtube and duolingo.com and other mediums. Honestly, i'm still not confidence about my english, but I'll try. And really appreciate to all of you who want to correct me when you see any mistake on this reply.

well, I'm indohunter, 26 years old. I'm from Indonesia.
I wanted to tell you about my children and wife, and how we spent our weekend. But it's impossible. Why? because i'm not married yet.  ;D
Normally, I spend my weekend by doing something fun. Like playing music with my friends. When i was 16, me and my friends on my school build a group band, we named it LAKEPRI BAND, but we fail to keep it. Music already ingrained on me. But the important thing that i'm doing on the weekend is walking around and finding a mate. hehe
hey, surely. it's an important thing that i need since my age are getting older and still single. In Indonesia when you were above 25 ya and still not get married, people around you will ask "when did you get married?" it's horror, man.
I'm a graphic designer for apparel local brand, and for you guys who want to make a cute t-shirt or jacket design, feel free to contact me (it's not sponsorship)  ;D

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The first time I know about the cryptocurrencies is from my facebook's friend. Everyday i found he share about crypto on his timeline, and then I ask him all the informations about cryptocurencies and how its works. And finally, now I'm here. Honestly, before, my goal when I create this account on bitcointalk just for hunting crypto bounty. I wasted my time just to hunting and hunting, not paying attention on the forum rules and it makes me became a shitposter. And finally i realized this forum not only for bounties hunting. We can sharing here, we can learning how to improve our knowledge about crypto which is will affected to our income on this world of cryptocurencies. And also I've just realized that the strict rules on this forum is the way to make members can create a decent post and have useful information  (how to say this one). I hope you guys got my point.

the last but not least I would like to say this learning would not stopped at this time. I still need to learning a lot on english since this forum is an English-forum.


Cheers,

Indohunter

10 for you fella, keep working at learning English buddy, It will benefit you IRL more than here!
well done bud

So many members in the forum, especially low ranked ones, tend to intentionally abuse Sir. as hilarious efforts to kiss asses of higher ranked users in order to earn merits. Of course, they tried to do non-sense, stupid things. Most of them come from the third world. It is not shame about wherever you born, but they should improve their English skills and should not overuser the word.
Overusing make their threads like a pseudo respect.
Additionally, they don't know that simply adding Sir. Into their threads will not increase threads' quality at any extent.

Hey @Indohunter, enjoy the merit! I remember you! You deserve it, as you've shown that you are wiling to put in the time and effort in order to improve your skills. That's a whole lot better than 95% of the third world posters that I encounter on the forums, and it's great to see that you're showing such a great desire to learn.

I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to take your statement and break it down for you line by line to show you what I consider to be proper English:


I wanted to tell you about my wife and children and how we spent our weekend, but it's impossible. Why? Because I'm not married yet. ;D


Normally, I spend my weekend doing something fun, like playing music with my friends. When I was 16, my school friends and I formed a band called LAKEPRI BAND, but unfortunately, it didn't last.


Currently, what I do most on the weekend is walk around in search for a partner. I find this to be very important, because as a 25-year old single male, it's common to hear the question "When are you going to get married?" in Indonesia. It's horrible to continue to get older without finding a partner.


I'm a graphic designer for a local apparel brand, so feel free to contact me if you'd like a cute t-shirt or jacket design (this is not an advertisement) ;D

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Maybe someone else can take over the second part. I just wanted you to have a reference to see how someone that speaks English as a first language (me) would have posted what you did.

Keep up the great work, and feel free to ask questions; we're here for you as long as we know you're trying :)

Thanks, Tman
of course, i will keep it.
and later, if you see any mistake on my posts around this forum. Pls scolds me.

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And for BTCforJoe (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=557989) . Thanks mate for your information about duolingo.com.

Hi Joe, no problem. it's good for me. So, I can see the difference, and learn on it.
I hope so.
since my native language is not english i need all of you which is use english to correct me if any mistake on mine.
Of course, Joe. I need to improve my english more better than now. thank you so much for your reference and your support.
glad to have you here..  :)

sorry I missed this originally, thanks for doing this - I really hope this thread encourages more users to step it up!

I read all the comments, this article draws people together, congratulations for new friendships .

English Grammar In Use by Raymond Murphy. If you want to learn proper English this is the book for you. I advice to buy a paper copy. Many used on eBay.

Otherwise here is a LINK>  (https://archive.org/stream/EnglishGrammarInUseIntermediateRaymondMurphy3rdEditionCleanedPages/English%20Grammar%20in%20Use%20Intermediate%20Raymond%20Murphy%20%5B3rd%20Edition%5D%20cleaned%20pages%21#page/n0/mode/2up)
Note: you can browse and download it.

I'm now very confused. How does ranking now work?  Is it by merits and no longer activities? I really need to know this please.

TMAN if you wouldn't mind, please I'll like to have a private chat with you. Thanks.

Here is free download link : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wuPCLHPJhUtyL3vc8ij-611L3PQAzXAe/view?usp=sharing
I have a lot of English book files, if you need to leave gmail, I will send you

Help yourself a little then I may be willing to help you out... There are thousands of posts about ranking up there is a sticky thread and a mega thread both started by Theymos, read then ask questions fella

Hey there!
I just checked your post history, and I seriously think that you should have a look at the guide provided here and follow it. You are not perfect enough to blame others when it is about the language.
Don't mind.  :)

Hi there,
I'd like to thank to both of you for the ebooks. Downloaded!
Cheers!

sent you more, not for the quality of this post - but the general attitude you are showing to learning, sure I could be wrong but I believe you are trying to better yourself and people like you need recognition for it.

To be honest, I'm speechless for your kindness towards people like me (which is non-english speaker).
I have nothing, but thank you so much, bud. Will never forget you and your kindness!

Maybe I'm wrong, but I do not agree with what you write. Many people in the world think that bitcoin is a bubble and they want to earn money as fast as possible until the bubble burst. Therefore, many now sold their bitcoins as they thought it was the end. Many people came to this forum for quick money earning and therefore they do not want to wait 2-3 years thinking that bitcoin will die or the forum will die and so on. Everybody wants to make money quickly and nobody wants to wait  ;)
Another thing is that you need to learn English since it will be useful to you in real life. I live in Ukraine and recently flied to rest in Sri Lanka. Everyone there speaks English but I am very bad speaks and it was difficult for me to talk with the locals and get information from them about this amazing island :) I was in Hong Kong, too, and everyone there also knows English.
I went to the English language courses this month because it is necessary in real life

What is this nonsense? I'm telling people to learn English and you are giving RL examples of why its a good idea to learn English!! I mean WTF - you say you don't agree with me then give decent examples of why I am right...

man go back to whatever you are smoking.

Thats true every one has to improve his english to get merit , but not only 3rd world people are complaining about the merit systeme every body is complaining , so do not judge please.

What was the point of this?

1) Not everyone needs to improve, the users who lack basic English language skills do.
2) 99% of shitposters come from the 3rd world, this isnt racist or hate against you its fact.
3) Everybody isn't complaining
4) I am not judging people, I am trying to help make this forum better for the rest of us.

Improving your English has nothing to do with Merit. Posts are merit-able according to different factors based on the subjective nature of the merit sources. Now a badly written post will obviously get less merits or not merits at all. Again in your Local Boards - non-English posts will get merited too. ;)

Shitposters come from every portion of the world (and beyond) so nobody is to blame if the 3rd world people or the 1st world people are complaining. TMAN is being very lenient with Merits but if you shitpost like this then forget about getting any "exposure"  ;D

He has the spirit of learning, encouraging

The complete set of advanced English I have :
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BMpX1IuHGXwBDXw_KRs37DiD11y8SK_Z/view?usp=sharing

when the $ 200 bitcoin they also think like that :)

Young pajeet maybe you have some mental health issues?

Hello everybody
i am a newbie, i am confused with the content in the reply of the forum, and almost i can not find the answer in the wish to become a true member of the forum.
Here the heading is the guide to getting merit. But when I read to find out about it, people do not have a specific guide. Please put yourself in a newbie and lead the problem in a more understandable way, so that we can find the information we need.
More specifically, can we detail how to write a quality post, a quality post is specified by what content? Give us some examples of what is appreciated for us to study.
thanks

Classic example of the third world nigerian shitposters in the forum trying to make a few bucks for "weed money". Get a life and get out of this forum. Nobody is going to spoonfeed you like a babydoll. All the answers are in the forum threads and stickies.

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First rule in becoming a member of any forum - reading the rules a 100 times before making your first post. But then what are mods for? We will shit in the forum and mods will nurse and clean us. ;D

Yo man, I understand you're fed up with shitposters and threads full of nonsense posts, but that kind of language is not okay. Do you really want this to be the standard of how people communicate with each other on here? You're better than that.

Oh and even though I think TMAN is making some great points, especially when he's stressing the importance of proper English, the irony that there are quite a few spelling and punctuation mistakes in his original post is not lost on me :D (don't misunderstand me, I think you're providing valid critique and offering constructive advice, just thought it was funny - I guess you're just human after all)

Please show me where the OP requires 100% grammatically correct posts in order to receive his merit. Otherwise you're holding him to the highest possible standard while he is not holding anywhere near this for his participants, can you see the irony in that?

I've become very pissed off with all this whingeing about not getting merit because you don't speak Oxford English, and that we are stopping people from being able to buy food for their poor crippled mothers. I've had quite a few goes at setting up facilities to help members learn and practice their English, and you could count the number of people who have joined this on the hind foot of a sloth. That's out of an over-active membership that must be well into five figures.

Just face it - if you want to get on in the world, you need to speak English. If you can't speak English, then you will need to join the European Union and their ring-fenced economy.

I didn't claim he does, sorry if you misunderstood me. Just pointed out that we all make mistakes in what I thought was a light-hearted way :)

It has to do nothing with you TMAN but curious here is that guys, you don't need to read his post. He already showed you how to get merits by opening this thread (see how much merit he has got from this thread).
Well, improving of English is greatest advice. Some people really use google translate for translating proposals and that's the worst thing.
Also if you don't know english, there are local boards.

I have read hundreds of threads about how to earn merit. I've only merited a few of them, this being one of them. Just because someone opens a thread about merit doesn't mean that they'll earn any, thus your argument is invalid.

To be honest, you don't need guides and whatnot to earn merit. Just post what you normally do with some thought and some references, that should make things right. And post for learning/helping not for earning whatever incentive you get either in merit or cash or any other incentive.

Hi, I'm an Indonesian. I am still not very proficient in English (English isn’t my native language).
When reading English articles, I understand what it means, but to say or write in English is still not smooth.

Thank you for the following links

BTCforJoe (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=557989) :
https://www.duolingo.com/course/en/ar/Learn-English-Online

klaaas (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=147451):
https://www.efset.org/free-english-test/

I've bookmarked all of them into my browser.
I'll try to practice my English skills.

and then thanks for:

iasenko (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1291828):
English Grammar in Use Intermediate Raymond Murphy [3rd Edition] (https://archive.org/stream/EnglishGrammarInUseIntermediateRaymondMurphy3rdEditionCleanedPages/English%20Grammar%20in%20Use%20Intermediate%20Raymond%20Murphy%20%5B3rd%20Edition%5D%20cleaned%20pages%21#page/n0/mode/2up)

hoangvuthach (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1066639):
Ebook English Grammar in Use-Raymond Murphy [4rd Edition] (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wuPCLHPJhUtyL3vc8ij-611L3PQAzXAe/view?usp=sharing)

I've downloaded, and I’ll try to learn both of them.

If there is any mistake in this post writing, correct me, please.

Cheers.

Classic example of the third world nigerian shitposters in the forum trying to make a few bucks for "weed money". Get a life and get out of this forum. Nobody is going to spoonfeed you like a babydoll. All the answers are in the forum threads and stickies.

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First rule in becoming a member of any forum - reading the rules a 100 times before making your first post. But then what are mods for? We will shit in the forum and mods will nurse and clean us. ;D
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Sorry so much if I make you unhappy
 Thank you anyway!

@quanghoa7911 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1970096), I think you are wrong to quote. It should be like this :

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Sorry so much if I make you unhappy
 Thank you anyway!

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Please learn how to quote.
Use the preview feature before posting.

It is not a question of making anobody "unhappy" or "hurt" and in true sense everybody knows that emotions have got zero space in the internet. If someone trolls you either get with it or move on. I am happy seeing the merit system make a mess of the organised shitposting spree that bottomfeeding scum had going on in this forum for several years.

Again I am no happy seeing the threads coming up in "Meta" being a cry baby about merit.

While I do appreciate TMAN's effort in trying to help out potentially good posters get merits which I why I watch this thread, I hardly give my sMerits to any of them simply because they dont deserve a single sMerit.

This is really true, my biggest obstacle at this forum is probably the language problem. I am really very poor English. So from now on I will try to learn more English and hopefully then I can become an active member with contributions to this forum. This article really motivates me to improve my English right now, thank TMAN.

Airdrop, Bounty, Airdrop..  These things will not help your cause fella..

ok - same challenge as indohunter, do not post for 2 weeks, spend an hour a day learning English and come back here and make a post. All you need to do is catch my eye, I don't care if it has the odd spelling mistake or some grammatical errors, I just want to see that you are trying to better yourself, do that and you can have 10 merits..

Take it caotringhia (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1572516) . It's a chance for you to get your english more better than now. Me too still on learning.
You can find the useful tools by looking the whole reply on this thread. There is duolingo.com (https://www.duolingo.com/) , ebook : English Grammar in Use Intermediate Raymond Murphy [3rd Edition] (https://archive.org/stream/EnglishGrammarInUseIntermediateRaymondMurphy3rdEditionCleanedPages/English%20Grammar%20in%20Use%20Intermediate%20Raymond%20Murphy%20%5B3rd%20Edition%5D%20cleaned%20pages%21#page/n0/mode/2up)
 & Ebook English Grammar in Use-Raymond Murphy [4rd Edition] (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wuPCLHPJhUtyL3vc8ij-611L3PQAzXAe/view?usp=sharing) , and also youtube . I'm prefer to use youtube on my learning, but also duolingo and these two ebooks is much helped me. Keep spirit, Bud.

Thank you for your advice. I actually joined in this forum to learn good and true English, on the appeal of rank or award and a lot of the knowledge I got.

well he hasnt taken me up on it..


people like this need to read the fricking threads, just posting an opinion that mirrors 10 other people is not a quality post

I see, I've just check his profile and check his latest post as well. I don't know he has noticed your reply or not, or he doesn't accept it.

This is really good for me, I downloaded the duolingo app and felt this app was what I needed, the basics in this app will help me consolidate vocabulary. I will study again from the beginning and try to improve my language, thank you.


Thank TMAN, now I will learn, although it is hard for me.

OK no posting for 2 weeks then

Seeing your past posts, I do not think that English is the only problem. You can still get merits with the current writing skills.

You just need o pay some attention while making posts. For instance, check this post of yours:


I think you meant that say that bitcoin increased by $1000 but content you posted suggests that bitcoin reached $1000. I can understand that it was not intentional but could be avoided if you pay some attention while writing.

You should start by reading the checking the merit stats page. Look for recent posts that got most merits and you will get an idea of what to post to get merits here. Regarding what actually is quality post, different people will have their own criteria for judging this. Some will give preference to posts which are witty , some will like the use of stats and images and so on. In general, it should add value to the forum and solve the issues or query asked by OP.

or they should listen to people who have been given merits over those who have not.

TMAN, you should make it clear to people that spamming in genuine Oxford English is still spamming and won't get you any Merit... ;D

MANY of these OP's are simply opening new threads to increase their activity and never come back to read the replies.

For instance, this guy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1991585;sa=showPosts

Every day he posts and changes his favorite ICO list and at the end opens a new thread: Best ICOs at the moment?

You must be sh*tting me.

So many new(ish) members say that they joined the forum to learn English, and to find out about Bitcoin, but when you give them the chance, but without the possibility of sig spamming and earning merits, they vanish back into the woodwork.

This isn't just a newbie making new topics it has to do with it's alts , I'm not going to post any user's profile link right now until i investigate more about it but my point here is i have seen newbies like these create a new topic daily and see the same members replying to his new topic daily and mostly every single time. It might just be a coincidence but i will try to gather more proofs in the coming days

No matter where you are from!  north pole or to the south pole. Not just the place where you live is not just basis to give you a merit. The important thing is, You think that you're doing right and you learn to this forum.

Of course.  And I expressed doubt as to whether people were actually going to take you up on your new website for that reason.  Most of the members here who have 0 merit, write unintelligible nonsense, aren't ranking up, and are in signature campaigns are only here to earn money.  They're not interested in learning (though they incessantly write about gaining knowledge), reading, or interacting on any level with anyone else.  They have cartoon dollar signs in their eyes when they start tapping out their word-waste. 

And these people are the same ones who are cheating bounty campaigns by using legions of alt accounts to increase their earnings.  I'm trying to neg them all, and by so doing, scotching their chances to earn money here.  I pinch them and they squeal like piglets.

What I was hoping for was some interaction between the "trainees" on that project, but that doesn't seem to be happening, probably because there aren't enough of them yet. I think I need a better title than trainee as well. How about 'acolyte' or is that too religious.

It goes well with my Satan's slave theme though. :)

cant believe more people aren't taking you up on it bud, what is it with them and the lack of thirst for knowledge? if I was here spamming shit gibberish on an Swahili forum I would snap someones hand off if they offered me help to improve.

I don't allow signatures, and I don't give merits for posting - that probably says it all.

I think there are more Legendaries and Heros there than there are newbies. :)

Non English speakers should be required to punch themselves in their face on video before being allowed to start an account on this forum

Thank you. I'm learning and doing the way you teach. Wish you happy weekend!

Thanks for your guide it's very useful mostly for the newbs, i really dream to become Legendary user will be very an honor for me, i'am old member forum by 2012 and trying to rank up but it's very hard :(

Where are you from? Your English isn't that bad and you have been here for 5 years..

I am not that much desperate to earn merit, but this guide might be actually helpful for newbies. I would appreciate if anyone could look through my posts and tell me if there are any serious mistakes. It is much easier for me to translate something from English to my native language - I don't have to give it much thought. Still, punctuation is the most difficult for me.

Dude I understand you, no issues - small errors mean nothing, my grammar and spelling are not perfect. Don't worry about that aspect of this, just worry about where you post, what you post and why you are on the forum.

Thank you for your guide. It is very useful for new members, and for others who don't have English as their first Language. My dream is to become a Legendary, and it will be a great honour for me. I have been a member of the forum since 2012, and I hope to improve my rank, but I am finding it very hard.

Suggested changes by courtesy of 'Fit to Talk English'. Apologies if you weren't asking for comments.

Not good, from december i remember, my etha adsress still count around $18.

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wow from December  to march   you only got 18 $ from bounties ?  and  with all the posts and stuff  

 i got like +200 $  from airdrops and bounties that have no relation with Bitcoin talk forum   . it took 3 months :) since i joined those competition in February  

and for the main topic  i would like to add  that people can and should use  the auto correct function  since it will help them alot   in their posts  also it is available in phones and pc   and  if they cant use it  they can simply use google translator  

Merit is rather complicated than just a quality post. I'm using this forum for learning and testing various ways to be involved in cryptocurrencies ecosystem. From what I see quality is subjective, many low quality post got merited and high quality one being ignored. Yes I know it's not a perfect system. And if I'm not mistaken merit system started from last year, so.. many old members here cannot really grasp how difficult it is to have a good quality post -> be read -> read by members who have merit point -> getting merit point.

Still waiting for the "real" merit guide by newbie who really get promoted fair and square.

your posts dont lack quality fella, it is where you post that is the issue.. shit like the below in megathreads is not quality, even though you are a native speaker.


Altcoin discussion/bitcoin discussion - all megathreads.. its all been said before so no one will merit it.

I see, let me try your recipe. Thanks for pointing my mistakes!

Its not mistakes bud, it is just that anyone with merit doesn't even read those cesspools.

Well I've just been listening to Joan Baez on YouTube, so I'm in a good mood, and I seem to have a load of sMerit to award, so I'll have a look round to see if I can find some great posts.

Note - don't ask me to look at your posts, because I will just put you on ignore.  :)

I looked at page 1 and page 4 on Beginners and Help, and didn't like any of the titles, so - moving on.
Bitcoin discussion made me wonder if my mouse would get eviscerated if I opened any threads, so onwards again
I was going to award this post - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3316404.msg34955714#msg34955714 , but it's plagiarised from Quora, so I'll need to report that.
I awarded a merit to JackG for this post - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3316404.msg34955714#msg34955714 - I nearly didn't because he is a global mod on Fit to Talk, but I thought he had put some effort into this post to help someone. It's in Tech discussion.
This post got a merit in Development. It's nice and short, and answers the question - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3316404.msg34955714#msg34955714

Well there you go. Yet another not very productive merit awarding tour.

So TMAN cares only about quality of users' English and people can get merits without knowing the point but just with excellent English?!  You must be kidding me.

You obviously struggle understanding things buddy,

I'm surprised that nobody has commented on my post above, although I guess it all been said before. :)

Although one infographic is already posted but here I did summarize all the comments posted in this thread.
I have added and compiled some valuable suggestions given by seniors and made an easy to follow Do's and Don'ts

Edit: Please let me know if missed any thing important or I should add something more valuable


https://i.imgur.com/AXOO1TK.png

This is really helpful just like me im beginner and i want some realistic experience about earning merit because there are some people abusing merit by selling and buying.

Awesome mate @TMAN! Thanks for the sharing. Currently am personally trying to know more about crypto so I can contribute more in my own context for the crypto world :)

But having good understandable english is needed as we are dealing with mates from international over the world :)

Kudos

That abuse is also real. What follows such cases (negative trust) is real as well.

You can do good if you take care of some points:

1) Try to post more instead o just one liners. I am not in favor of posting essays here but be more communicative.

2) Please use capital "I" instead of i in your sentences which you have done in all four posts so far.

The word sir should never be used to address someone in this forum. You will never be mates until you unlearn that.

You really dont need to address anybody with "Sir" - everyone here is having the same status as you have. Although there is something called "Rank" still it holds least value in having a "status" here. Moreover it irritates people because they think you are trying to act nice and be polite for no reason whatsoever. Can be taken a type of goody-goody before doing something bad. I am sure you can site examples from real life in this aspect.

Overall dont "punctuate" your posts with "Sir/Madam" - honestly its begshit and I would ignore all people who do so.

You are going on ignore as you are obviously retarded, you praise my post then fucking ignore one of the key points - stop calling people Sir, it is fucking annoying ok..

You were a bit slow there, I did that a while ago.

Parody

Now the members of these community are getting wiser and wiser and now i present to you the:
F*ckers guide to getting merits

• First buy a twitteraudit pro (Bronze, Silver or Gold) all of them are meritable.
• Make a shitpost about it and post it in Off-Topic.
• Translate it into different languages using Google Translate and post it on Local Boards.
• Audit everyone who asks.
• Wait for someone to merit you.

Wait until you rank up you little shit.

Tried and Tested

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SOURCE:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3062389.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3062389.0)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2902938.msg29851415#msg29851415 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2902938.msg29851415#msg29851415)

Too many ignores in this thread... I do not see a lot of these replies so I cannot merit them, so please leave..

Giving merit is subjective    also  the guy simply   gave a service that helped many members in our forum  and its their way of saying thank you with their own merit .

Just saw This 3d (this forum i'ts so huge!), ty for sharing your idea and experience I'm working very hard on my English right now but it's hard to learn the perfect grammar!

Perfection isn't needed, I just need to understand what someone has typed the 1st time I read it.

The guy probably didn't get that it was just theymos' the 1st April joke about calling everyone 'sir' to be counted as Politeness :D

This is grat to ear, but someone here on this forum forgot that Bitcoin is a worldwide event and for someone (like me) English is the third language(while they can't speak a perfect English). They pretend a perfect grammar but they probably forgot (maybe they don't know? anything about the Bitcoin) factors like decentralization and freedom.

 I am pretty sure my right foot has forgotten more about bitcoin than you will ever know, but to answer your other point, this is an English language forum.

Bitcointalk is a privately owned forum. Get your facts straight before commenting. Of course the language spoken here is English in the general boards but we have local boards for those who dont have a proper grip of English. If you are among such people you should refrain from posting in the English only Boards and stick to your local boards.

Also appoint someone reputable from your local community to become a merit source who can spend time in the forum for a decent period in order to merit the posts in the local board.

This is the best solution for non-English speaking people out here. But I am sure they will all flock in meta just to do some pseudo-begging for merits.

Oh really? I needed an arrogant person to understand this. ::) Also you are not a mod, so if you have any problem https://puu.sh/Afl3W/9b7da1a6b6.png

I agree with you, addressing someone with "Sir" makes you belittle yourself and makes the one who you addressed with the word feel like his beyond you, although for someone it's a form of respect.
and some says that SIR means Slave I Remain, I think its inappropriate to say that.

That's why you just replied with sir when TMAN mention that you should use sir as a respect to other people. If you really good poster then you should already know what to do and won't bother reading this thread.  Since you're here that means you still need more guidance from 3rd world poster as TMAN said.

I added your post to 🔥🔥🔥Altcoins Section Map / Bitcointalt navigation thread - Updated! 🔥🔥🔥 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3534750.0). Thanks for your work!

This is a very helpful thread for me as a newbie on bitcointalk.org, and the OP has a point there, about the 3rd world posters, I can imagine the feeling of the old member on this website seeing thousands of shit post a day, I'm from the 3rd world country and also bad in English but I understand the message of this thread, Merit is something to be earned hard from people who acknowledge you.

It is a useful article, I always try to improve my English, I am participating in the translation program to earn more income and also to improve my English, Thanks for your advice.

Can you help me to post like a flash cunt then?

you get merits just for the name!

most of the new users will probably ignore this post. btw thanks for making this post, right now im trying to improve my post quality i think my post quality have been fallen alot although my post quality isnt really that good in the first place but i was able to join some campaigns that has been handled by yahoo before.
as a filipino i can confirm

Being accepted by some manager in a campaign is not that criteria of being a good poster. Many managers have different yardsticks of post quality and overall its a subjective idea and thus varies from person to person. Since you are willing to improve your post quality I will give you some advice.

1. Post only when you feel you are willing to post and dont post to increase post count.
2. The spam mega threads should be avoided. They are worthless to read or comment in nowadays specially the Bitcoin Discussion, Economics and Altcoin Speculation. Bad thing is Trading Discussion is also going to same place.
3. Try to punctuate properly every post and keep them grammatically correct.

No comments.

    I’ll keep this in mind, lots of lesson to learn. As a brand new member I am reading some post to get some information in what to do. Then I read your post TYMAN, and I guess it helps a lot…Something keeps in my head is to learn to wait and not pushing too hard to level up for few months and just learn many things in this cycle so I can share worthy and better post to this forum. :)

Thanks for sharing. Very nice advice, maybe i really need to improve my english and read more about crypto to have more knowledge about it. Thankyou!

POOw as blow a post of TMAN was for me in some degree useful) if seriously that I say yes that I belong that category that studies the crypto industry and its usefulness in general, I thank this post that gives a certain parting word in a way of studying! I am not so prof as attendees here but from myself I can add to do bounty tires and I want to cease to post different useless posts instead I will prefer to study and who knows to what I will lead it))

Don't bother, we are already tired of bounties, and the shit posting that their spammers do.

I read carerfully your thread,i get the point
i search in forum but i cant understand  how i can give merit to other people
only full members and above ranks can give merit to others?
thanks for the guide

You definitely did not read the thread on merit system by theymos.

You did not search in the forum. If you did you would not be asking this question.

Rank is independent of awarding of merit. If you have merit to award, click the "+Merit" button on the upper right corner of the post which will take you to another page asking how many merits you want to offer that post.

Why say thanks when you did not even read the rules  or the content of this OP, and the threads properly before posting?

I would like to advise you on a couple of books that I used when studied English.

1. Universal English textbook for beginners
   New English File                                                    New Total English                                           Speakout
https://i.imgur.com/EelOIxk.png                                                  https://i.imgur.com/TN4OMLW.png                                    https://i.imgur.com/Q5nfVEh.png
 
2. For activating vocabulary
   English Vocabulary in Use                                  Oxford Word Skills
https://i.imgur.com/LUQaVGr.png                                               https://i.imgur.com/dIr6mn2.png
   
3. Textbook for grammar
 Essential Grammar in Use                                    Grammarway
https://i.imgur.com/IDFxhRY.png                                            https://i.imgur.com/egGOVrK.png
 

I hope they will help you improve your English skills, good luck!

I see that the post was useful, so I collected more information from my relatives and friends and that's what they advised me.

You need to mention 3 textbooks on grammar from Raymond Murphy and Martin Hewings
First level                                                                Average level                                                  Advanced level
https://i.imgur.com/8AO8u72.png                                               https://i.imgur.com/jWdHgBK.png                                             https://i.imgur.com/fyfbr6Y.png

Also do not forget about a series of textbooks from Oxford from the creators Norman Coe, Mark Harrison, Ken Paterson, John Eastwood and George Yule
First level                                                                Average level                                                  Advanced level
https://i.imgur.com/lTsqhMj.png                                                 https://i.imgur.com/JulHgbv.png                                            https://i.imgur.com/lHZ5vS7.png

 As soon as I find more information, I will certainly inform you!

Hi,
I have lots of books for English learners, so my question is:
What if I can give links to download books in .pdf files?
Will I violate something?
If not, I will share them with my next thread in the topic.
Thank you.

Almost certainly if you are providing copies of the books. you should post the link to the publisher's site, rather than offering to provide material that is probably subject to copyright.

If books are available for free... definitely it will be good to share.
Just don't put pirated (copyrights) links and yes you can post new topic in board "Beginners & Help"

Do not do it, but you need to improve your English. Without it, nowhere.  And in life it is useful. I will follow your advice author.

Wow, extremely ridiculous to deliver sMerits like this.
Of course, you have your rights and your personal decisions to use your sMerits, but it is something like merit abusements.
If someone else, not famous members in the forum like you, doing like this, they will be put under the watching lists of radars.
It is certainly that no one can judge someone abused the merit system with only 2 give away sMerits like your specific case.  ;D

Which things did you recommend in your NOT-TO-DO list?

Only publishing your thread when it is needed for the current discussion. I don't see any reason to compose such boring thread, which has no contribution to the TMAN's topic.
Next time, you should post only it is needed, not post for accumulating your post-count, my friend.

Thank you so much for the great advice you posted. I now feel confident that I’ve joined to the forum that are the best fit for me.

I’m obligated to keep trying to getting merit  8)

I have no idea what you mean here - I gave some merits as the name made me laugh - I don't see anything wrong with that.

Merits are designed to help create and maintain a vibrant and interesting communications forum. They do this by discouraging low value polluting posts, and encouraging posts that will help to maintain the community spirit. The membership of Bitcoin Talk is diverse and multi-dimensional, and this is what gives it its strength. Those with merits to award will have different standards and interests, and this diversity means that many new members will have a good chance of receiving merits for a variety of reasons, and not just for making sycophantic or highly technical posts.

I don't agree with some of the merit awards that TMAN makes, but I appreciate that his policies help many new and junior members to become a valuable part of the forum, Keep up the good work TMAN.

You are making a point, Talk Merit. I clearly known that TMAN is among the most prestigious members in the forum, who have strict rules for giving away his sMerits. However, as you said, sometimes, TMAN gave his sMerits away for such thread above. I don't like it, but - of course - TMAN can do anything with his sMerits, regardless of merit abusements.
However, such easy giving away might lead to merit begging endemic in the forum.
By the way, I also agree with your point at lots of good works TMAN do to help make the forum better.

To learn English, you can watch English movies with subtitles. Here is the list of those films and series that I used.

My Fair Lady (1964)      Bridget Jones’s Diary (2001)               The Office (2001—2003)                     
https://i.imgur.com/46o2Ozs.png?1                        https://i.imgur.com/lcqsHk6.png?1                                       https://i.imgur.com/WwjNPga.jpg?1
                                          Extr@ (2002—2004)
                                               https://i.imgur.com/gNUiJeM.png?1

First time I have encountered topic like this. May be I am a shit poster (honest confession, I really am), posting around the alt-coin and bitcoin section. From today on, I am going to study a bit more (spending time on the forum to read things) besides the shit posting I do for bounties. 

Thank you for the specific link...

For someone who would like to learn English and improve quality of threads in the bitcointal forum.
Hope it helps!

1) Oxford Word Skills (Basic level)
https://i.imgur.com/7OaxwZy.png
Link to download:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RqURcSlQEqCDJSKWV94jnVN5GXAHzbnM/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RqURcSlQEqCDJSKWV94jnVN5GXAHzbnM/view?usp=sharing)

2) Oxford Word Skills (Intermediate level)
https://i.imgur.com/lAhmMKe.png
Link to download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qjV591wJ-yMGtGHparSqJwe_buFWWF6-/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qjV591wJ-yMGtGHparSqJwe_buFWWF6-/view?usp=sharing)

3) Oxford Word Skills (Advanced level)
https://i.imgur.com/4ziBH2H.png
Link to download: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1rc6-qGTjoOd93nJaVGSDFF4bMNxq49PZ (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1rc6-qGTjoOd93nJaVGSDFF4bMNxq49PZ)


Notes: Lol, after publishing this thread, my post count shows 'leet' due to 1337, and I had several panic minutes.

4000 essential English words (Paul Nation), for someone who would like to learn more vocabularies.

1) Volume 1
https://i.imgur.com/4wNizh4.png
Link to download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Mn0ZiBWPXoRHzX5FhRauU81DnOh13MtF/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Mn0ZiBWPXoRHzX5FhRauU81DnOh13MtF/view?usp=sharing)

2) Volume 2
https://i.imgur.com/PDbFNZS.png
Link to download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q2u6BlYwY_FXQIpuoUHOLrc8-SH56seF/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q2u6BlYwY_FXQIpuoUHOLrc8-SH56seF/view?usp=sharing)

3) Volume 3
https://i.imgur.com/VHgTqsW.png
Link to download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dxZF88MtYITGIeRy-5-gjyQwA2id7lLi/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dxZF88MtYITGIeRy-5-gjyQwA2id7lLi/view?usp=sharing)

4) Volume 4
https://i.imgur.com/fiXuBzr.png
Link to download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fu2laGnAwTglASf2JnWL0Yrs6SU-yBn9/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fu2laGnAwTglASf2JnWL0Yrs6SU-yBn9/view?usp=sharing)

5) Volume 5
https://i.imgur.com/iwc4YXC.png
Link to download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hL6QyIqYRdamdqnSUEZkiAAtvydurapB/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hL6QyIqYRdamdqnSUEZkiAAtvydurapB/view?usp=sharing)

6) Volume 6
https://i.imgur.com/1A9hUN9.png
Link to download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lSmd2L5C6ddOKe29guwH6Mlw7hvCzxfC/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lSmd2L5C6ddOKe29guwH6Mlw7hvCzxfC/view?usp=sharing)

I feel like my last 15 posts have been useful, contributing to the conversation, and helpful. I still haven't got merit. Is there any thread that reviews accounts and gives criticism for me to improve my posts further?

Or am I unlucky when it comes to getting merit? Any feedback would be great. My goal is to work hard on this forum and contribute to the future cryptocurrencies.

I will keep trying to follow your every advice. And, I already admitted to an English learning coaching center in my country, following english practice youtube channel, Android applications. Though I am not very bad in English, But, I know that it is not enough for me. I am spending time here by reading threads and today one of my facebook friends just given me another good ways to improve English writing skill. This is my mission and I Hope I will succeed in my mission. Thanks once again Tman for your great help.

I went through your posts and I would have following recommendations for you:

1.The walls of text you are posting in Trading and Altcoins - those rarely will attract any readers. It would be better if you consice your opinions and write less and to the point. I know you are trying to help others but sometimes people like the easy solution rather than the intellectual one. Still you are free to decide how much you want to write in each post - totoally your own choice.
2.Stay away from Bitcoin Discussion. Its a worthless shitcan nowadays.
3.Try to diversify posts in other sections as well.

I wont call you unlucky, but follow these recommendations and you might get some merits in future.

Wow. So bitcointalk = English tuitions now? ::)

Thanks for the response. If I had merit, I would award you some.

When I see this kind of posts, from two Hero Members, I kinda understand how some "newer" members are deadly frustrated for being in a way lower rank... :) I don't even understand what they are saying...

I highly appreciate your time to collect those books and share free links to download.
hope that non-native English speakers will find your thread and use those books to improve their English proficiency a bit.

I'm not that fluent in English and I accept it but to read this posts coming from members who have higher rank than me, I'm thinking that I am lucky that I am still  at Full member now.

P.S. I laughed for almost a minute with what this one poster said "WITH LOVE"  ;D ;D ;D. Sorry but can't help myself not to laugh with it. Peace :)

But everybody loves a Logitech mouse. :)

Not everybody knows how to use one though, you might be interested in this birthday card that I picked up yesterday. The link is just a jpeg.

Are you sure that's how you surf the net? (http://fittotalk.com/images/mouse-surfer.jpg)

I came to the understanding that English is needed not only for this forum. I have a small child and we are waiting for the second. In the future they will go to school and they will have to learn English. But nobody taught him in our family. Both my wife and I learned German. Now I spend about an hour learning English every day. Who else will help them if not the father.

My native language is not English. With my level of English knowledge, I have to use Google translate to write posts. But I do not want to look stupid or lazy, I check the text several times and also use Grammarly apps for Google Chrome.

That is cool, I had a cheeseburger for lunch and a coke zero.


Then why the fuck are you here if you cant really understand what is going on and you are using a shitty translate program to post?

I believe this as the most important point. Majority of new bitcointalk members are trying to become instant cryptocurrency millionaires by participating in signature bounty campaigns. They know that senior members with higher member ranks will get higher stakes per each post. This makes them to create more and more posts to get more stakes in signature bounty campaigns as they have to beat the senior members by posts count. Then they become 3rd world posters and never get merits from reputed members. Final result will be staying as a junior member forever.

My native language is not English. I think I have to take OP's advice and learn English in order to contribute to this forum in a better manner.

I carefully read your article will come in very handy to me and I think it's helpful for starters.

is this allowed in the forum? If true how can one get it,  I heard its not that easy as newbie to get merits

I would also like to add that you can learn English using different sites. Links to them I will not leave, I will leave only the names

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I'll talk about two resources - Busuu and Duolingo.
I'm not trying to name the best method of learning English, but only acquaint you with the practice - my and friends.

Duolingo
https://i.imgur.com/f4CxvFS.png?1
Having learned about this system after the need for training courses has disappeared, I can judge the effectiveness of the system only by the feedback of its graduates. If you evaluate only this indicator, you should definitely try it.

The Duolingo project was launched in the US. It is built on the technique of igrofification - the path from the beginning to the end of the training is fixed on the gaming skill tree. The technique pays much attention to written lessons, dictations. If you perform the task with dignity - you add points. Failure to do so results in a loss of life and a return to the beginning of the lesson.

Busuu
https://i.imgur.com/vmqx7Ye.png?1
International social network, which unites people to study the language. Here you can communicate with its speakers, learn grammar, memorize words. The educational materials of the site are diverse, however, to have access to full content, you need to pay a subscription. But it's worth it. You can learn both on the computer and with applications for smartphones.

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If you are interested, I can make a list of ten or more services that you can use. Let me know. Good luck!

This is great advice Indohunter.  I also suggest using a search engine and looking for the topic on bitcoin talk to avoid duplicating articles.

If you are looking for an answer, this tends to be much faster.

TMan's guide was one of the first posts I read on this forum. 

I remember the days of $1 BTC, wish I had made more moves.

I think you missed a very good series.

http://www.gstatic.com/tv/thumb/tvbanners/183931/p183931_b_v8_ac.jpg

This is worth watching.

Merits is the best way to protect this forum from alt accounts and shitposters, you have to make some effort to earn a few Merits. Hundreds or may be thousands accounts appear every day on bitcointalk and something or someone should limit their number. Thank TMAN for advice, I use it.

Bumping this as its relevant to all the Pajeets right now.

Read the OP, follow it and it will help you. Or Ignore it and keep bleeding hard every day

#MeritBrokeMyLife

Looks like all Newbies are busy to create a new thread about Merit in Meta, how great it is or how unfair instead of having a look at this guide.

Finally most of the comments how good this new requirement is, are empty promises, we will be sure in a few weeks if we have a look at their comments after they received their 1 Merit...

Well, 1609 posts and no single Merit...

A good solution would be to wait maybe 1 or 2 months and then increase the Merit requirements again. 2 Merit to get a Jr. Member would be enough because we can check the new comments after the account got his 1 Merit and if he continued shitposting nonstop, this second Merit he needs now to be Jr. Member will be refused.  ;)

Personally I don't care of the user's language skills are poor as long as they are producing something of substance useful to others and not whoring affiliate links. It just so happens the people who do that stuff most also have poor language skills so they tend to get grouped together easily.

I was searching for some threads which I hoped could give me some real instructions on how to get some merit for people who deserve them, this system demotivates people who are not willing to do extra for something they did not ask for but want to progress by time and effort!
Clearly I am disappointed to bump into a thread where you are told to learn English and read English books, nice tips but don't think people who don't know English that well on this forum wanting to make some extra bucks are changing their priority from making money into buying books and investing in themselves, this is just not the way things work for the majority.

I am not going into much detail why the first and foremost reason I came to this forum was because I wanted to escape a world where you need to behave like the rest of the herd and be regulated by a few but this is definitely looking like it, sadly it reminds me of ''Nosedive'' an episode of Black Mirror.

You have to have luck and need to research the right threads in order to have a chance to get some merit from people who actually read your comments and are willing to merit you, don't hope to get merit in a regular thread for your quality posts, at least I have never seen someone read my post and actually appreciate it and merit me.

Unfortunately, very often poor English skills become a huge obstacle to understanding and interpreting a written comment. Sometimes the grammar suffers so much that it becomes impossible to grasp the meaning. No matter how ingenious your way of thinking is, but if you aren`t able to share it and convey your point of view to others, then you`ll remain unnoticed. Therefore, I fully agree that in order to become a full-fledged member of the forum and even more so to get merit, it`s necessary to improve your language. Otherwise, you simply lose the opportunity of communication, which is the foundation of the bitcointalk community.

People always find words of English terms that are often used by many people in everyday life. However, many of these people do not understand the meaning of the words of these terms. more confusing, in the British English version of American English there are many different terms used with the same definition.

I agree with TMAN to find out the importance of learning English,
Example:
Try to imagine how the world would be about the next 10 years? maybe, in view of the important reasons why we should learn English, a little insight into the reasons for the importance of learning English.

1. Opportunity to get a job.
2. Meng-global language
3. Easy to accept in the eyes of the world.
5. Economic Language.
6. Can Follow the Development of the Age
7. Understanding Technology
8. Increasing Knowledge
9. Safe recreation.
10. Scientific language
12. Look the most slang
13. Improve Career.
14.make us smarter.
15. Can conquer the world of the Internet.

This is the very basic reason for the English language.

Lol, I just saw this thread and I couldn't resist laughing at how entitled it sounds reads like.

Only a few people like :


are taking the humane side of the discussion.

And to anyone supporting the fact that people who have bad english, are automatically to be shunned and disregarded, holy shit.

By what right do you think you can force someone else to learn your language? Because it's among the top spoken languages on the planet? What if I told you that outside of your USA, UK, and a bunch of other places where english is the native language, there's actually people who can spend a lifetime not speaking english! Unbelievable right???

Sarcasm aside, to anyone who actually feels entitled to a language just because they were born with it, and not just that, automatically assume everyone else should learn it to talk with them, I wish you get stuck some day outside of your country in a place where they only speak spanish, or arabic, or one of the many chinese dialects. (Only these 3 make about 24% of the planet's population, with your beloved english barely at a 6%)

People need to get their heads out of their asses, if everyone was entitled like you are, you have no idea how backwards the world would be, do you think every scientist who contributed to massive advancements in science knew perfect english? Do you think businesses and trade relations were all built on english contracts? Just out of the top of my head, I youtubed "interview founder of tencent", and here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGnby27ypRo

You, with your amazing english, go tell this guy, the founder of one of the biggest fucking octopus companies on the planet, "go work on your english".

I agree, and I've written the same sentiment many times before.  I've seen some very intelligent people posting useful stuff here, and even if their grammar sucks I'm still able to get the meaning. 

The real problem on the forum is not simply that people are unable to write proper English; it's that most of the members with advertising in their signature can't write English and basically have nothing useful or interesting to say.  That's why we're seeing this epidemic of plagiarism--it's a lack of language skills, an inability to come up with an original thought, and a culture of dishonesty.

As I just wrote above, I have no problem with people who can't write English well as long as they're trying to communicate something useful.  You and a lot of others are misinterpreting this criticism of shitposters as just a criticism of their language skills, and it really isn't. 

The bounty shitposters are only trying to write posts in a language they have little understanding of because they're getting paid to do it.  In the process they're killing the forum by burying good posts under an avalanche of horse shit.  If I started using google translate to write posts in Arabic (or any other language I don't speak) because I was in a signature campaign that only paid for posts in Arabic, you'd better believe I'd be getting criticized by native Arabic speakers for being a shitposter.  And my posts certainly wouldn't be getting merited.

There needs to be merit sources in the local boards, most people accept that.   This isnt the first time I've seen a forum equate poor English or poor sentence formation with spam or pointless posts.   There is some correlation though your point is fair, there is a space for people to post in their own languages.    Its not really discrimination then but yea its slightly unfair about how alot of the internet is in this particular language.
   In the future it might be one of the Asian languages, populations would suggest thats highly possible


I'm not going to be absolute about it.  IF someone comes onto to the forum to post e=mc^2 in otherwise bad grammar, its unfortunate but also they are a genius and hopefully I'd recognise and merit a good post anyway.   Its hard to do so when the post isnt readable though.  If theres nothing original in the post then mostly every other factor is of no consequence anyway


Thats a hell of a disparity thats puzzling, I'll look through their posts and see if theres any excuse to give at least 1 merit

I didn't read every single comment on this post, but I don't think I'm misinterpreting anything. The original post conveys the single main idea, being "Go learn engrish", which I argued.

On the other hand I wouldn't consider shitposting to be bound to language. It's just the cultural diversity of the forums that causes only non-english speakers to stand out because they don't write well articulated messages. There are definitely a lot of native english newbies that shitpost as well, but them being a minority compared to the overflow of other countries makes them look less bad.

What I can agree with is that the problem comes from bounty campaigns that force them to post in places where they have no knowledge or extra information to add, which makes for very low quality posts. Especially because a lot of campaigns deny people posting in local forums, I don't think there's an easy solution to that besides completely banning out bounties, which isn't really a solution but rather a radical "trump wall".

I came up with quite a few ideas back here : One (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg47063235#msg47063235), Two (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg47065526#msg47065526).. The bigger problem is that there's no punishment for shitposting.

A newbie (english-speaking or not), can shitpost all day long, with the worst outcome being no merit, and maybe a red trust tag if he trespasses, but that's a stretch. So maybe a punishment system would help, maybe..

Well, the OPs guide could have been a little more elaborate an attempt to give a proper guidelines on how to get merits as it seemed to only cover their own idea.

Users who live in English speaking regions would still not get merited if they have little knowledge of the forum and no desire to read and learn.
Confining those who are not native speakers would limit their growth, and command of the English language.
Through attempts, corrections, more attempts they could become better in their use of the language.
But then, that is not a ticket to get merit on any post.
They still need relevant knowledge on cryptocurrency.

Judging by the OP's rank and how long he's been on this forum, I think his ideas and guidelines(even if you claim they are solely his) should be something to go by, it's just like taking advice from someone who learnt the ropes years and years before you and I came on board
The guidelines aptly covers all this points you're actually highlighting..
It talks of upgrading one's command of the English language as well as pointing out that such users also need to read and learn on the forum.. (refer back to the original post)
Just like the original posts says and points out if one takes his time on the forum,and read the threads pointed out,such as significance of the pizza day,the bubble,Cyprus etc,
There happens to be no chance in hell that in one to two years such user wouldn't be knowledgeable about cryptocurrency

I believe that the basic knowledge to gain merits is knowledge and being friendly in the forum. Probably, if one has a hard time getting merit then there should be a problem like getting ignore on those high ranks or the merit source. There were many users here that they ignore after seeing no chance of getting merit to even at least 1 or ignore if one does not do good in the forum and always complaining.

In the end it is really the knowledge that will get you their for it is the source of the witty words that you will going to use and post as a reply or to start a new thread. As the high rank user's suggest to take some time to start a post carefully check before posting it.

is it humane that we have to read Google translate shitposts? is it humane that we cannot go into some of the subs on this forum without getting eyecancer from posts such as "great project" posted 405,001 times?


elaborate? fucking elaborate? how can I write war and peace to help people if they cant fucking understand what I am writing? you do understand that this whole thread is about non English speakers fucking up the forum, the same people that forced Theymos into introducing the merit system.

Being friendly on the forum counts for absolutely nothing,the OP of this thread is actually not friendly on the forum(at least to cheaters,plagiarists,copy/pasters) ;D

Just as the original posts point out, it takes time to learn,and if one follows the due process required to rank up, then it wouldn't be much of a problem..

Though this doesn't happen is just merely few months,it could take a few years in some cases

I don't know if this is the result of merit, or maybe I'm just hallucinating. But it seems to me that the degree of ass kissing on the forum has completely skyrocketed since the last time I've been browsing the forums regularly. But hey, I'm glad to see that juniors and members have figured out the secret to quickly snatching one or two merits here and there, fair play to you.

Of course it covers his own ideas, why would he want to copy other people's ideas. The guy is smart enough to think for himself, not like some of the spambies who don't even understand the stuff they are copying.

There are so many threads about getting merit, that any halfway intelligent guy can read them, and use the best ideas. If you can't manage that, then yo need to go back to school.

I am very thankful to TMAN through this thread I made it to become a Full Member I earned 124 from 0 merit by this guide.
Jr. Member to Full Member isn't impossible trust your selves then you can do it. Make lots of useful post then don't expect of merits. When earning merit on your post donobe triggered of getting merits because some of the merit hunters that I go with get banned by copying others work due to they're triggered on finding topics to be posted.

Hooray to TMAN!