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A small group of DT members and moderators endorsed fraudulent Icos managed by Atriz , IT seems DT on this forum are here to protect scammers and criminals.
Why noone  tagged this cheater ? many Icos managed by Atriz/ALU are scams , Yesterday he admitted multiple times  that he has partipated to a scam strategy marketing.Are we waiting for someone to lose $10M before leaving him  a ned trust.



Cheater Profil  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=135920

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2751956.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3067759.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3038096.0









https://vimeo.com/263096822

We don't need to address this because you're a Quickseller alt.

Move along now.

He is not actually. That is Lauda's go to excuse for deflecting concerns raised about him.

I don't really spend very much time on here anymore.

It does seem like there is a double standard around here.....to the extent that those reasonably described as scammers seem to get protected.

Seems like BitcoinTalk became some group of peoples' private property. They are doing whatever they want with the official/unofficial power or whatever you call it but no one is doing nothing against it. Everything will evaporate if somehow they lose the power they earned from the administrator. This unfaithful group is using the good name of BitcoinTalk.  

Look at the dates, Jan 14th, Feb 28, March 05...
My point is, does admin not have enough interest to look on these shady activities?  

PS: I'm having a feeling that after posting this comment some of the eyes will be on me.

He's been tagged even though he can't be responsible for the actions of the project (just like any other manager can't). What exactly are you complaining about now[1]? ::)

Exactly what kind of power does the, non-staff, non-DT, youngling called aTriz have? Indulge me.

Don't disagree with the Quickcartel and you will be fine.

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[1] Now I see it.

This is just a pathetic lie. You could have at least made the lie better by listing some names.

Enough whining here every person acts at his own risk and no one forces him to do it

Voila. However, that doesn't apply when the agenda is to attack people who disagree with you (this is yet another example of it). ::)

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[1] Which aTriz did, and not in the exaggerated sense that *some* are trying to push here. He messed up, nobody else.

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- Accepting a misleading information and then pretend to be ok with it.

https://prnt.sc/j1lsgs
https://prnt.sc/j1lsxv

https://prnt.sc/j1ltqd Not sure about this DT3 things.

Anyway, the point is, aTriz is just a Hero member and I see you are a DT member. I also see you are his/her business partner.
There is a reason for awarding you a DT member. Being his/her business partner does not mean that you back them up even when they are doing things that are wrong wrong.

If I had a service like ALU and if I were doing the same as aTriz then would you stay silent?

I am not sure who elses are with ALU but I am sure that you are backing aTriz in public.

One user means more for you than the whole community?
ibminer (https://prnt.sc/j1m69w), Quickseller (https://prnt.sc/j1m6ov), OgNasty (https://prnt.sc/j1m755), allahabadi (https://prnt.sc/j1m7gk), Bazinga442 (https://prnt.sc/j1m816), suchmoon (https://prnt.sc/j1m8d1) and the list goes on. All these people do not have a valid point? Note: Most of these people are Legendary.


Please admit it that aTriz does not qualify to be a campaign manager. Your reputation is on stake because of the user aTriz.

Honestly speaking if I were you and if I were a 100% morally honest person then I would kick out aTriz using my name and badge. I would look for someone else for my business.

- Thanks for admitting.
Again, Your reputation is on stake because of the user aTriz.

PS: alia thought I am scam_detector, actually I am not.

https://i.imgur.com/8iIkx4h.png

As I said, it's not what he did do but what he didn't do. He should have stopped the whole thing right there and I'm sure everyone else would have advised him to do the same had anyone known what was going on.

I don't back people up just because I work with them, the same way that I don't leave them positive ratings just because I work with them. It would be a huge of interest.

As mentioned in the previous thread, I was not aware (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2751956.msg34022688#msg34022688) of this until it was pointed out.

Yes, and no. The "backing" in that thread is a deterrent to the mallicious attack on ALU as a whole, and the other members, who had nothing to do with this and are in no way responsible for aTriz's actions.

I've pointed out the people with valid, objective, points.

It's not a black and white issue. Did he make a mistake? Yes. Does this mistake have consequences? Yes. Does this mean he isn't capable of managing campaigns? I can't come to this conclusion out of such premises. Despite the mistakes he made, he has shown to be very capable in managing them[1] despite his recent errors in judgement.

There's plenty of wrong with this statement, and I'll let you know why. If I was able to just simply kick someone out of a 3-entity group, that would mean that I effectively own it which is not the case here. Obviously, getting to consensus on this matter with the remaining entity shouldn't be too difficult. However, remember the last time I acted quickly without thinking? Oh yeah, I'm still being harassed for it to this day. Some people complain that I act quickly, and then when I don't, they complain that I don't. You can't have it both ways (I'm not talking about you in this particular example).
I need time and more objective input on the matter; the *consequences* or whatever you want to call it from our side (Untold and me) will come.

I disagree. I'm not responsible for someone else's actions, especially not when I had no knowledge of them.

It doesn't matter to me as, from what I've seen, you seem to make sense and are not biased on *any* particular case.

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[1] Weren't people complimenting this quite frequently, before aTriz caught my eye and before ALU even existed?

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Some fixes and you haven't answered this:

Aside from ibminer I wouldn't trust anyone on that list, particularly that suchmoon dude.

Look, aTriz is red, stop feeding Quicksy's ego. Quicksy doesn't give a shit about aTriz, it's just a means to an end for him. If anything he and his alts and Og make it harder to see the real facts with their incessant rants and proclivity to use trust ratings to adjudicate their personal quarrels.

It’s weird that you keep mentioning my name with these sorts of comments.  You are continuously siding with scammers while talking down about me.  This continued lapse of judgement is part of the reason why your opinion carries no weight here. I wish you’d stop trying to attack me for pointing out scams. If you don’t trust me after the tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of dollars that I’ve safeguarded for users here and instead take the word of confirmed extortionists and caught scammers then not only is your judgement terrible, I would say your motives are less than genuine.

It's weird that you think I'm attacking you for pointing out scams, when I clearly stated my opinion about you and the basis for such opinion. Sometimes I agree with you, recently quite often I don't. Deal with it. Or neg me. Whatever it is you do when people disagree with you. Your boasting about hundreds of millions does not obligate me in any way to agree with you or to have a favorable opinion about you.

Your "siding with scammers" comment is mighty hypocritical BTW. You're siding with Quicksy quite a lot. Is your judgement sound? Are your motives genuine?

So after years of lying, we are supposed to believe this?

The OP is probably your alt.

This seems to be the new trend with your little clique. Badger me publicly and privately until I’m forced to leave you negative feedback at your request for previous scammy behavior, then play the victim and say how unreasonable I am as justification for trying to have me removed from DT1 status. It’s very clear to people paying attention. While I give you guys credit for working together towards a common goal, I can’t help but think there’s a better use of your time then trying to earn distrust from me in a wacky attempt to further centralize the trust network with the hope of forcing a change that might benefit those who have been tagged as extortionists. Unfortunately, the fact I haven’t negative repped you after you’ve repeatedly insinuated I am not trustworthy is evidence that I don’t rep people just for being trolls. If you want my distrust you have to out yourself as a scammer or criminal like aTriz & Lauda have.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're just lying for whatever reason. I can't see how you could honestly believe such bullshit with no evidence whatsoever to support it.

If you ever get kicked out of DT1 it will be your own fault but nice try making it sound like I'm part of some conspiracy against you. I guess theymos must be in it too for that to happen.

Is owlcatz also a scammer or a criminal? Did he become one when he started saying bad things about you?

While owlcatz has behaved towards me publicly and privately in a way that could warrant a criminal complaint along with his extortion involvement, I think the 5 bogus negative trust ratings he’s left me along with his Freudian slip of the keyboard regarding him being reported to the police and his reaction when I merely alerted Telegram of a scamming account has me leaning more towards the scammer side although both are likely true. You can read the trust ratings yourself and decide. Here I’ll post mine for you. Nice attempt at deflection though.

owlcatz created a bogus scam accusation thread and seemingly admitted to being the scammer impersonating me on Telegram to dupe users searching for escrow. When he was called out on this Freudian slip of the keyboard, he responded by saying, "Fuck both of you scamming window-licking cunts" and then moved the thread to the archive section and locked it.



I don’t lie. That insinuation by you is another attack on my character and while it is a reason for me to not trust you, you haven’t gotten to the level of getting negative feedback yet. Although I will enjoy seeing what you do next to try and earn it.

Owlcatz participated in a criminal extortion conspiracy. The last time I checked, that makes him a criminal. Notwithstanding, his behavior is certainly not in line with what I would consider to be remotely trustworthy.

I was referring to your very first neg for owlz that seemed to stem from a disagreement that didn't rise to a level of a scam or a crime.

Regarding the telegram thing - it looks to have snowballed from this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3160695.msg32677479#msg32677479

Did you send that message? Seems like you were trying to smear owlcatz behind his back.

Not sure what I'm supposed to be deflecting from. You are the one accusing me of being in cahoots with scammers and criminals with no evidence whatsoever. I can't deflect something that doesn't exist. Post some proof and I'll do the best deflection I can.


Luckily I don't give a shit what you consider to be trustworthy.

Only 3 trusted  DT tagged him :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o the forum has too much DT beggars.

I'm disappointed that aTriz chose to go the route he did, and to call a lie a "marketing strategy" is bending the truth past the breaking point. 

I'm disappointed because I think he's an excellent campaign manager and an agreeable gentleman as well, and that's a rare combination on bitcointalk.  The interaction I've had with him thus far has been positive.  I do hope he realizes the error here and doesn't let greed cloud his judgement henceforth. 

I'm going to change my positive to a neutral, and I'm hoping for some recognition of the problem on his part--the refund is a positive step.  We'll see where this goes.

Note: Whenever there is a topic accusing aTriz, we see he keeps almost silent.
Excludes OP: 0/20 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3267277.msg34120483#msg34120483), actively participated (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2751956.0), 0/40 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3067759.msg34117190#msg34117190), First reply after 43 comments (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3038096.msg31297299#msg31297299) - 2nd (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3038096.msg31305602#msg31305602), 3rd (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3038096.msg31305902#msg31305902), 4th (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3038096.msg31305957#msg31305957), 5th (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3038096.msg31322365#msg31322365), 6th (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3038096.msg31323187#msg31323187), 7th (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3038096.msg31323503#msg31323503), 8th (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3038096.msg31323979#msg31323979)... and few more out of 498 conversations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3038096.msg34087187#msg34087187).
He goes on holidays? May be aTriz does not have much time to deal with these nonsense?

Or he/she know these barking dogs (us) will eventually become silent someday cause Lauda has his back.

Lauda I understand it's hard for you to be unbiased on acknowledging aTriz's errors. After all you both already established a trust with each others before even starting the ALU. This is not the only error (aTriz's) we are talking about. By the way I am no way in any position to accuse you for anything, I am talking human psychology.

ibminer (https://prnt.sc/j1m69w), Quickseller (https://prnt.sc/j1m6ov), OgNasty (https://prnt.sc/j1m755), allahabadi (https://prnt.sc/j1m7gk), Bazinga442 (https://prnt.sc/j1m816), suchmoon (https://prnt.sc/j1m8d1)
-If you read all the comments from each of these individuals then they DO MAKE valid points. Don't just read the only one comment those were on the screenshots.

- Yes, I understand it's NOT black and white however it's a start for you to become more careful.

I will say the same thing like The Pharmacist said...

- You know why people only point you out than the other members in ALU? Because they expect more from you IMO. May be (sorry, I am not a too old member) you have given a lot to this community so the expectation is high.

Your disagreement does not make any sense to me. The error in campaign thing is a part of ALU, you along with others represent ALU. If ALU make a bad name then you also become a part of this bad name.

- Thank you for your kind words.
- Not sure (I am fairly new to this community, few months only) however I can say one thing which is again, May be (sorry, I am not a too old member) you have given a lot to this community so the expectation is high.

- You protecting him a power, you are a DT member is a power, he ganged up with bunches of well reputed members is a power etc.

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Yea you are right about suchmoon dude. Another personal quarrel in between ibminer and suchmoon dude?  ;D

PS: I am not feeding anyone's ego. I always try to be unbiased. OgNasty seems a reasonable person (thoroughly looking).

I "don't have his back" on this because he has made a huge error, as in this is much worse than the case regarding alia. I wouldn't know what he could (or should) say publicly about it other than apologizing right now(?). People can't undo what they've done, regardless of how much they wish they could..

They absolutely do not. The biased agenda there is obvious. ibminer and suchmoon are the ones who made valid points, the remaining pest-generated noise can be safely ignored.

I am, some others aren't.

To be frank, that is just complete bullshit. Do you really think that Quickscammer is commenting because he expects more from me? If you do, then you've been spending your time here in a cave..

The error is aTriz's, not ALU's. For it to be ALU's error, at least 1 more member had to be aware of this and go along with it.

Therefore, anyone who works with me has power[1]? That does not make sense. I do not protect people unless they are being wrongfully attacked.

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[1] I don't even consider DT as "power", but rather an 'ungrateful duty' [duty only if you have some sense of needing to do *something*; some DT members rarely get involved in disputes (scams, abuse and whatnot) so they surely not everyone feels that way - which is okay I guess, there is no obligation to do anything, anywhere].

Treating Quicksy like he has a point (e.g. by responding here) is all he needs... I'm guilty of it too though.

Og is reasonable until he isn't: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2337754

I jinxed it (going steady for 3+ months now).

::)

One really shouldn't, regardless of the content of the post (we're beyond the scope of logical fallacies here).

@suchmoon : Ok that's bad, OgNasty does not make sense in there. No comment on Quicksy mate.


Sorry OgNasty, really mate, you really is not making sense in ur argument


This is not how you justify others.

Respecting each others is the key for any community.

(Sorry if I upset you but you need to admit that your dimension was wrong)

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- You are wrong, I did not mean Quicksy when I said the community I meant the whole community not any specific individual. Seems like you and Quicksy has some personal issue. I really never dug the issue. Again I meant the whole community.

- Well I guess DT is a power for sure. People take extra care before talking against any DT member (i.e: create new account). It's a power of certified trust from the system (admin). Now it's up to the individual how they will deal with it. Use or misuse.

Anyway Lauda, you have nice negotiation skills. Keep it up.

Please no hurt feeling OgNasty, I said based on what I saw.

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PS: You (OgNasty) can still remove his/her redTrust (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=161795) (screenshot (https://prnt.sc/j265x7)). This will restore the respects you already lost from others.

Alright, then you might have a point. I thought you were talking about the people who commented on the situation, out of which (at the time of the previous points) only ibminer and suchmoon were genuine.

Well, I guess we can agree that different people see this differently. It's an extra responsibility either way, that's for sure.

I didn't know this was a negotiation.

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Anyhow, I think most things got covered already so there is no need for me to discuss this further right now. Not the best start of Q2. :-X

Of course it is an extra sweet responsibility IMO it's an earning, a reward, a recognition of working for the community.


No, I did not mean here. Since yesterday when we started this discussion I went through your other discussions as well to gain knowledge about you. This statement was based on overall impression. Take it as complement, I mean nothing else.  

PS: Yes I guess I also think that the discussion ends here.

It's been a pleasure.

These statements you made disagree with this...

Well , the scammer have been tagged by his friend.He had no choice , Hope he take this as a lesson.

You do lie and you know it. You can just fuck off again for making shit up like your buddy Quickscammer - Anyone with any common logic knows you are a fucking idiot bully who just tags people red when you disagree or someone makes you mad, or possibly you just feel like being a dick like you did to Eoakland, who was never an alt of anyone you fool.... You openly brag about it in your fucking slack, you scumbag. Anyhow, fuck off - And regarding that last trust rating, I'm MORE than glad to sign any fucking address I've ever posted in the Meta/Post your address here thread.  Again, fuck off with your lies and made up accusations. I closed my thread because your butt buddy QS started doxing me on the thread and you both fucking know that, retards. ::)

Ogscammer & Quickscammer.... LOL, what a couple! :P



No, I did not. I was made aware of it AFTER the fact. So again, fuck off - You're claims are baseless as fuck, you fool. :P


LOL... Nobody should, he's only been negged to ruin but still hangs around... probably still scamming for peanuts like the escrow deal in some fashion. :P

Yes he sent that message, but like a typical malignant narcissist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant_narcissism) asshole, just doubles down and refuses to answer the fucking question:

HERE WE GO AGAIN: OG - Did you send the PM to Michael Sinclair that I was the scammer on YOUR thread with ZERO evidence or not? No answer? Then I will assume Yes, since we all know you did. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3160695.msg32677479#msg32677479)   ::)

Some members have left negs on the Scammer, let's see what happens further.

But I'm disappointed in the way double standards are being exposed by quite a few people whom I believed to be honest and upright. Either they are silent or not acknowledging the issue at hand while ridiculing others endlessly.

Bump

Awww! It was good for a while.

https://i.imgur.com/AAPueKY.png


And now aTriz is thrown under the bus, lest the mastermind gets burned too.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=135920

The merit system is very good but abused by many old members ??? ???

To say disappointment would be an understatement and I expected him to have handled it better. The statement that after two weeks he is being forced to go along just ended the whole thing. Two weeks is early and right time to pull out without even damaging your reputation (it might take a hit but would survive). And now, he not only affect himself but even those who are close to him which is what some people have been looking for as an opportunity to launch an attack.

LMAO, aTriz offers refund because his masters got embarassed. FYI, if the plot wasn't discovered, he would have continued shilling the "marketing strategy" bit.

TLDR; He got caught pants down and offers reparations so that his red tags will get removed. Such is the privilege of working under Bitcointalk's Overlords.

I really would suggest removing signature campaigns altogether! But no, the holy tribunal also needs signature money, fucking lol.

I think the best move is to consider the aTriz account spent and just make a new account. Besides, aTriz is in good company, his masters can stealthily provide merits to the new one.

Yes, it does however I guess it does not matter anymore... I see Lauda red tagged aTriz (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=135920) (screenshot) (https://prnt.sc/j8c6tp) means she (I guess female) is showing that she cares and act right whenever needs to.

We change overtime, it's in our nature.

Well done Lauda, you did the right thing when it needed.