HI THEYMOS Why a small group of DT Members & Mods are trying 2 protect Scammers?

[Kickman]

A small group of DT members and moderators endorsed fraudulent Icos managed by Atriz , IT seems DT on this forum are here to protect scammers and criminals.
Why noone  tagged this cheater ? many Icos managed by Atriz/ALU are scams , Yesterday he admitted multiple times  that he has partipated to a scam strategy marketing.Are we waiting for someone to lose $10M before leaving him  a ned trust.



Cheater Profil  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=135920

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2751956.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3067759.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3038096.0

It was a marketing strategy and they tried to say they raised so much in just a day or 2.

I doubt they raised anymore then 1 BTC.

You are ok with ICOs stating false information about how much they have raised to other potential investors... and you would call this a marketing strategy?

YES, definitely, we would hit our hard cap. We are on round 2 and out soft cap is already half-reached.
Our soft cap is $5,000,000

Currently smart investors have grabbed 3,111,374 BIBCs.

No, but when I'm 2 weeks into a bounty program I'm basically forced to go along with it.

There should be 0 tolerance for this sort of behavior.  aTriz has publicly admitted to lying to potential investors with advance knowledge in order to help raise funds fraudulently so he can get paid while "investors" become victims of his scheme.

Atriz campaign management sucks he is more awful than jamalaezaz, if you look what is happening on his project you may find out that all of them are so questionable and shady as hell. He didn't even bother to look if the project is legit! Since the one he only care is his pocket since he is greedy to gain money!

The only thing atriz became wiser is he add lauda his group so he can eliminate the possible critics that could paint him bad. This make atriz smart shady scam guy.

https://vimeo.com/263096822

[gobsmacker]

We don't need to address this because you're a Quickseller alt.

Move along now.

[Quickseller]

We don't need to address this because you're a Quickseller alt.

He is not actually. That is Lauda's go to excuse for deflecting concerns raised about him.

I don't really spend very much time on here anymore.

It does seem like there is a double standard around here.....to the extent that those reasonably described as scammers seem to get protected.

[mdayonliner]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2751956.0  January 14, 2018, 07:36:48 PM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3067759.0 March 05, 2018, 11:05:34 AM

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3038096.0 February 28, 2018, 06:43:46 PM

Seems like BitcoinTalk became some group of peoples' private property. They are doing whatever they want with the official/unofficial power or whatever you call it but no one is doing nothing against it. Everything will evaporate if somehow they lose the power they earned from the administrator. This unfaithful group is using the good name of BitcoinTalk.  

Look at the dates, Jan 14th, Feb 28, March 05...
My point is, does admin not have enough interest to look on these shady activities?  

PS: I'm having a feeling that after posting this comment some of the eyes will be on me.

[Lauda]

He's been tagged even though he can't be responsible for the actions of the project (just like any other manager can't). What exactly are you complaining about now[1]?

They are doing whatever they want with the official/unofficial power or whatever you call it but no one is doing nothing against it.

Exactly what kind of power does the, non-staff, non-DT, youngling called aTriz have? Indulge me.

PS: I'm having a feeling that after posting this comment some of the eyes will be on me.

Don't disagree with the Quickcartel and you will be fine.
[1] Now I see it.

A small group of DT members and moderators endorsed fraudulent Icos managed by Atriz...

This is just a pathetic lie. You could have at least made the lie better by listing some names.

[Lunarics]

A small group of DT members and moderators endorsed fraudulent Icos managed by Atriz , IT seems DT on this forum are here to protect scammers and criminals.
Why noone  tagged this cheater ? many Icos managed by Atriz/ALU are scams , Yesterday he admitted multiple times  that he has partipated to a scam strategy marketing.Are we waiting for someone to lose $10M before leaving him  a ned trust.

Enough whining here every person acts at his own risk and no one forces him to do it

[Bazinga442]

No.


https://imgur.com/a/pFd3v

It was a marketing strategy and they tried to say they raised so much in just a day or 2.

I doubt they raised anymore then 1 BTC.

No.


https://imgur.com/a/pFd3v

It was a marketing strategy and they tried to say they raised so much in just a day or 2.

I doubt they raised anymore then 1 BTC.

You are ok with ICOs stating false information about how much they have raised to other potential investors... and you would call this a marketing strategy?

No, but when I'm 2 weeks into a bounty program I'm basically forced to go along with it.

[Lauda]

Enough whining here every person acts at his own risk[1] and no one forces him to do it

Voila. However, that doesn't apply when the agenda is to attack people who disagree with you (this is yet another example of it).
[1] Which aTriz did, and not in the exaggerated sense that *some* are trying to push here. He messed up, nobody else.

[mdayonliner]

He's been tagged even though he can't be responsible for the actions of the project (just like any other manager can't). What exactly are you complaining about now?

No.
https://imgur.com/a/pFd3v
It was a marketing strategy and they tried to say they raised so much in just a day or 2.
I doubt they raised anymore then 1 BTC.

No, but when I'm 2 weeks into a bounty program I'm basically forced to go along with it.

- Accepting a misleading information and then pretend to be ok with it.

https://prnt.sc/j1lsgs
https://prnt.sc/j1lsxv

https://prnt.sc/j1ltqd Not sure about this DT3 things.

Anyway, the point is, aTriz is just a Hero member and I see you are a DT member. I also see you are his/her business partner.
There is a reason for awarding you a DT member. Being his/her business partner does not mean that you back them up even when they are doing things that are wrong wrong.

If I had a service like ALU and if I were doing the same as aTriz then would you stay silent?

I am not sure who elses are with ALU but I am sure that you are backing aTriz in public.

One user means more for you than the whole community?
ibminer, Quickseller, OgNasty, allahabadi, Bazinga442, suchmoon and the list goes on. All these people do not have a valid point? Note: Most of these people are Legendary.


Please admit it that aTriz does not qualify to be a campaign manager. Your reputation is on stake because of the user aTriz.

aTriz seems to be either extremely naive or outright malicious, neither of which is good for trust. And calling fraudulent misrepresentation a "marketing strategy" is really stretching the "naive" part.

Honestly speaking if I were you and if I were a 100% morally honest person then I would kick out aTriz using my name and badge. I would look for someone else for my business.

[1] Which aTriz did, and not in the exaggerated sense that *some* are trying to push here. He messed up, nobody else.

- Thanks for admitting.
Again, Your reputation is on stake because of the user aTriz.

PS: alia thought I am scam_detector, actually I am not.

[Lauda]

- Accepting a misleading information and then pretend to be ok with it.

As I said, it's not what he did do but what he didn't do. He should have stopped the whole thing right there and I'm sure everyone else would have advised him to do the same had anyone known what was going on.

Anyway, the point is, aTriz is just a Hero member and I see you are a DT member. I also see you are his/her business partner.
There is a reason for awarding you a DT member. Being his/her business partner does not mean that you back them up even when they are doing things that are wrong wrong.

I don't back people up just because I work with them, the same way that I don't leave them positive ratings just because I work with them. It would be a huge of interest.

If I had a service like ALU and if I were doing the same as aTriz then would you stay silent?

As mentioned in the previous thread, I was not aware of this until it was pointed out.

I am not sure who elses are with ALU but I am sure that you are backing aTriz in public.

Yes, and no. The "backing" in that thread is a deterrent to the mallicious attack on ALU as a whole, and the other members, who had nothing to do with this and are in no way responsible for aTriz's actions.

One user means more for you than the whole community?
ibminer, Quickseller, OgNasty, allahabadi, Bazinga442, suchmoon and the list goes on. All these people do not have a valid point? Note: Most of these people are Legendary.

I've pointed out the people with valid, objective, points.

Please admit it that aTriz does not qualify to be a campaign manager. Your reputation is on stake because of the user aTriz.

It's not a black and white issue. Did he make a mistake? Yes. Does this mistake have consequences? Yes. Does this mean he isn't capable of managing campaigns? I can't come to this conclusion out of such premises. Despite the mistakes he made, he has shown to be very capable in managing them[1] despite his recent errors in judgement.

Honestly speaking if I were you and if I were a 100% morally honest person then I would kick out aTriz using my name and badge. It would look for someone else for my business.

There's plenty of wrong with this statement, and I'll let you know why. If I was able to just simply kick someone out of a 3-entity group, that would mean that I effectively own it which is not the case here. Obviously, getting to consensus on this matter with the remaining entity shouldn't be too difficult. However, remember the last time I acted quickly without thinking? Oh yeah, I'm still being harassed for it to this day. Some people complain that I act quickly, and then when I don't, they complain that I don't. You can't have it both ways (I'm not talking about you in this particular example).
I need time and more objective input on the matter; the *consequences* or whatever you want to call it from our side (Untold and me) will come.

Again, Your reputation is on stake because of the user aTriz.

I disagree. I'm not responsible for someone else's actions, especially not when I had no knowledge of them.

PS: alia thought I am scam_detector, actually I am not.

It doesn't matter to me as, from what I've seen, you seem to make sense and are not biased on *any* particular case.
[1] Weren't people complimenting this quite frequently, before aTriz caught my eye and before ALU even existed?
Some fixes and you haven't answered this:

They are doing whatever they want with the official/unofficial power or whatever you call it but no one is doing nothing against it.

Exactly what kind of power does the, non-staff, non-DT, youngling called aTriz have? Indulge me.

[suchmoon]

ibminer, Quickseller, OgNasty, allahabadi, Bazinga442, suchmoon and the list goes on. All these people do not have a valid point? Note: Most of these people are Legendary.

Aside from ibminer I wouldn't trust anyone on that list, particularly that suchmoon dude.

Look, aTriz is red, stop feeding Quicksy's ego. Quicksy doesn't give a shit about aTriz, it's just a means to an end for him. If anything he and his alts and Og make it harder to see the real facts with their incessant rants and proclivity to use trust ratings to adjudicate their personal quarrels.

[OgNasty]

ibminer, Quickseller, OgNasty, allahabadi, Bazinga442, suchmoon and the list goes on. All these people do not have a valid point? Note: Most of these people are Legendary.

Aside from ibminer I wouldn't trust anyone on that list, particularly that suchmoon dude.

Look, aTriz is red, stop feeding Quicksy's ego. Quicksy doesn't give a shit about aTriz, it's just a means to an end for him. If anything he and his alts and Og make it harder to see the real facts with their incessant rants and proclivity to use trust ratings to adjudicate their personal quarrels.

It’s weird that you keep mentioning my name with these sorts of comments.  You are continuously siding with scammers while talking down about me.  This continued lapse of judgement is part of the reason why your opinion carries no weight here. I wish you’d stop trying to attack me for pointing out scams. If you don’t trust me after the tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of dollars that I’ve safeguarded for users here and instead take the word of confirmed extortionists and caught scammers then not only is your judgement terrible, I would say your motives are less than genuine.

[suchmoon]

ibminer, Quickseller, OgNasty, allahabadi, Bazinga442, suchmoon and the list goes on. All these people do not have a valid point? Note: Most of these people are Legendary.

Aside from ibminer I wouldn't trust anyone on that list, particularly that suchmoon dude.

Look, aTriz is red, stop feeding Quicksy's ego. Quicksy doesn't give a shit about aTriz, it's just a means to an end for him. If anything he and his alts and Og make it harder to see the real facts with their incessant rants and proclivity to use trust ratings to adjudicate their personal quarrels.

It’s weird that you keep mentioning my name with these sorts of comments.  You are continuously siding with scammers while talking down about me.  This continued lapse of judgement is part of the reason why your opinion carries no weight here. I wish you’d stop trying to attack me for pointing out scams. If you don’t trust me after the tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of dollars that I’ve safeguarded for users here and instead take the word of confirmed extortionists and caught scammers then not only is your judgement terrible, I would say your motives are less than genuine.

It's weird that you think I'm attacking you for pointing out scams, when I clearly stated my opinion about you and the basis for such opinion. Sometimes I agree with you, recently quite often I don't. Deal with it. Or neg me. Whatever it is you do when people disagree with you. Your boasting about hundreds of millions does not obligate me in any way to agree with you or to have a favorable opinion about you.

Your "siding with scammers" comment is mighty hypocritical BTW. You're siding with Quicksy quite a lot. Is your judgement sound? Are your motives genuine?

[Vod]

I don't really spend very much time on here anymore.

So after years of lying, we are supposed to believe this?

The OP is probably your alt.

[OgNasty]

Deal with it. Or neg me. Whatever it is you do when people disagree with you.

This seems to be the new trend with your little clique. Badger me publicly and privately until I’m forced to leave you negative feedback at your request for previous scammy behavior, then play the victim and say how unreasonable I am as justification for trying to have me removed from DT1 status. It’s very clear to people paying attention. While I give you guys credit for working together towards a common goal, I can’t help but think there’s a better use of your time then trying to earn distrust from me in a wacky attempt to further centralize the trust network with the hope of forcing a change that might benefit those who have been tagged as extortionists. Unfortunately, the fact I haven’t negative repped you after you’ve repeatedly insinuated I am not trustworthy is evidence that I don’t rep people just for being trolls. If you want my distrust you have to out yourself as a scammer or criminal like aTriz & Lauda have.

[suchmoon]

Deal with it. Or neg me. Whatever it is you do when people disagree with you.

This seems to be the new trend with your little clique. Badger me publicly and privately until I’m forced to leave you negative feedback at your request for previous scammy behavior, then play the victim and say how unreasonable I am as justification for trying to have me removed from DT1 status. It’s very clear to people paying attention. While I give you guys credit for working together towards a common goal, I can’t help but think there’s a better use of your time then trying to earn distrust from me in a wacky attempt to further centralize the trust network with the hope of forcing a change that might benefit those who have been tagged as extortionists. Unfortunately, the fact I haven’t negative repped you after you’ve repeatedly insinuated I am not trustworthy is evidence that I don’t rep people just for being trolls. If you want my distrust you have to out yourself as a scammer or criminal like aTriz & Lauda have.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're just lying for whatever reason. I can't see how you could honestly believe such bullshit with no evidence whatsoever to support it.

If you ever get kicked out of DT1 it will be your own fault but nice try making it sound like I'm part of some conspiracy against you. I guess theymos must be in it too for that to happen.

Is owlcatz also a scammer or a criminal? Did he become one when he started saying bad things about you?

[OgNasty]

Is owlcatz also a scammer or a criminal? Did he become one when he started saying bad things about you?

While owlcatz has behaved towards me publicly and privately in a way that could warrant a criminal complaint along with his extortion involvement, I think the 5 bogus negative trust ratings he’s left me along with his Freudian slip of the keyboard regarding him being reported to the police and his reaction when I merely alerted Telegram of a scamming account has me leaning more towards the scammer side although both are likely true. You can read the trust ratings yourself and decide. Here I’ll post mine for you. Nice attempt at deflection though.

owlcatz created a bogus scam accusation thread and seemingly admitted to being the scammer impersonating me on Telegram to dupe users searching for escrow. When he was called out on this Freudian slip of the keyboard, he responded by saying, "Fuck both of you scamming window-licking cunts" and then moved the thread to the archive section and locked it.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're just lying for whatever reason.

I don’t lie. That insinuation by you is another attack on my character and while it is a reason for me to not trust you, you haven’t gotten to the level of getting negative feedback yet. Although I will enjoy seeing what you do next to try and earn it.

[Quickseller]

Owlcatz participated in a criminal extortion conspiracy. The last time I checked, that makes him a criminal. Notwithstanding, his behavior is certainly not in line with what I would consider to be remotely trustworthy.

[suchmoon]

Is owlcatz also a scammer or a criminal? Did he become one when he started saying bad things about you?

While owlcatz has behaved towards me publicly and privately in a way that could warrant a criminal complaint, I think the 5 bogus negative trust ratings he’s left me along with his Freudian slip of the keyboard regarding him being reported to the police and his reaction when I merely alerted Telegram of a scamming account has me leaning more towards the scammer side. You can read the trust ratings yourself and decide. Here I’ll post it for you. Nice attempt at deflection though.

owlcatz created a bogus scam accusation thread and seemingly admitted to being the scammer impersonating me on Telegram to dupe users searching for escrow. When he was called out on this Freudian slip of the keyboard, he responded by saying, "Fuck both of you scamming window-licking cunts" and then moved the thread to the archive section and locked it.

I don’t lie. That insinuation by you is another attack on my character and while it is a reason for me to not trust you, you haven’t gotten to the level of getting negative feedback yet. Although I will enjoy seeing what you do next to try and earn it.

I was referring to your very first neg for owlz that seemed to stem from a disagreement that didn't rise to a level of a scam or a crime.

Regarding the telegram thing - it looks to have snowballed from this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3160695.msg32677479#msg32677479

Did you send that message? Seems like you were trying to smear owlcatz behind his back.

Not sure what I'm supposed to be deflecting from. You are the one accusing me of being in cahoots with scammers and criminals with no evidence whatsoever. I can't deflect something that doesn't exist. Post some proof and I'll do the best deflection I can.

Owlcatz participated in a criminal extortion conspiracy. The last time I checked, that makes him a criminal. Notwithstanding, his behavior is certainly not in line with what I would consider to be remotely trustworthy.

Luckily I don't give a shit what you consider to be trustworthy.

[drogbaaa]

Only 3 trusted  DT tagged him the forum has too much DT beggars.