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Guy's what do you think :( is it good for BTC or will it bring TigerDirect down to the ground!





TigerDirect.com is going to sponsor BFL soon... http://www.tigerdirect.com/bitcoin/indexus.asp?cm_re=Homepage-_-Spot%2001a-_-CatId_campaign_bitcoinTakeover, click Mining tab and scroll down an inch.

quick link to email support:


http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/Help/email.asp

Nice! Thanks for the link

TigerDirect is big enough they might get better service.  Will be interesting if BFL sells through them.  If we see monarch.... we know big mistake.  If we see only instock all depends on price.

Pfft. TigerDirect isn't bigger than the bitcoin mining community. After all BFL products are aimed at miners, I don't see why BFL would give them better service if TigerDirect customers are just avid gamers. They should care more about giving us better service because we're the one actually using it and giving the reviews and recommending people on which hardware to get.

I don't think 'sponsor' is the correct term. They are resellers of BFL products. If BFL can't deliver to TigerDirect than the store will only show 'out of stock' ... big deal.

My guess tigerdirect gets their devices slightly less delayed than normal bfl customers. Either way the only outcome will be many people ripped off (tiger direct and its customers) and a shitload of return/refunds.

Ripped off? How? TigerDirect will make an order for BFL products. When they arrive it gets put into the store. If they don't ever arrive, they never make it to the store to sell in the first place. And if there are returns from customers, TigerDirect will just return the item to BFL.

Do you honestly think TigerDirect takes the hit for all the products returned? really?

One does not simply return an item to BFL.

i cant open tigerdirect ...

no, YOU don't simply return an item to BFL.

Would be funny if someone threw together a bunch of examples from this forum of how the COO of BFL often interacts with their customers in a public forum and send them to Tiger Direct.  I am wondering if he will call all Tiger Direct customers monumental assholes soon, nah probably not, even Inaba isn't that fucking stupid...!!

Ok so you are telling me tigerdirect is going to order a bunch of monarchs and should they not be able to sell them, get a refund? BFL's business model does not allow for this. Tigerdirect will end up with a bunch of useless paperweights like everyone else while supporting a company that has scammed like half the bitcoin community.

TigerDirect's parent company does $3.5 billion of sales in computer gear a year. I think they have this shit figured out.

Except Tiger Directs Lawyers will rip BFL a new asshole and BFL will be begging for them to stop LOL!!!

Now you will just have someone to complain to if they don't ship immediately.

What? No refunds?

Call TigerDirect. Delist. End of Story.

Exactly,  ;)

Let Inaba experience the panic for you. Just watch this old tiger and the leopard who can't change his ole spots.

Typically wholesalers (in this case BFL) float the retailers (in this case TigerDirect) and I'm sure TD is used to working in this manner. If it doesn't fit BFL, well than it's BFL's problem not TigerDirect.

BFL aside, I think this is pretty excellent.  Overstock and TigerDirect taking Bitcoin?  We've been waiting for events like this. 

I don't have an opinion on BFL - I was just sickened to see TigerDirect promoting the mining industry. 

Very true and I hear your point but come on why have butterfly Labs a partner.

 Voted for the least reliable ASIC company to buy from.


     BUTTERFLY LABs - 284 (75.9%)  

This will be great to watch.

Coming soon means one of two things:

65nm product coming at inflated prices

or

Monarchs coming in April.

Either way TD will have to deal with all the customer service issues, especially non delivery

Why would TD have to deal with BFL's non-delivery issues? TD is not taking over the entire business. They are re-selling BFL machines.

Thing is, if TD does start selling BFL products, they would have to take the refund/return policy off of them and just only allow for warranty repairs. Imagine this, a customer buys 100 monarchs and returns it after 29 days, then they will have mined at 600TH/s for 29 days worth of BTC FOR FREE! Then, after they return it, they just buy 100 again and rinse and repeat.

Edit: Lol, I just checked out the mining profit estimator, 600TH/s breaks even after 2 days and then makes 3 million in one month LOL.

interesting :)

Because, despite the results of the forum poll, they are still the most recognizable, approachable ASIC producing company in the business.  Cointerra may be able to steal that crown, but none of the other companies look corporate enough.

Sorry, the BFL bashing is a bit of a dead horse for me.  I'm trying to focus on making positive progress forward, and this is progress.

You just gonna bring home 100 monarchs and plug them in down in mom's basement??  You just gonna walk back into the same store and they will graciously allow you to re-order it up again? You don't think they will charge a restocking fee?  You don't think what you described is fraud and that TD will just allow it to go happen even once let alone rinse and repeat...

Ya sure great plan bro, where can I sign up?

Upon further reflection it would actually be cheaper for TD to just give you the 100 Monarchs for free.  This way they don't have to handle all the paper work for debits and credits and logistics of physical product every 29 days (which actually has a cost to TD associated to it believe it or not).  I strongly suggest you head to your local TD and demand 100 monarchs for free and please be so kind as to let us know how you make out as I would also like 100 free monarchs ASAP...

aw i see your point but it sound like you never bought anything from BFL and thats gooooood for you but BFL/josh owes everyone (BFL customers) for not delivering on time but good for you bro :)

I've got a little 5GHs box on my desk right now, putting up 8GHs.  I didn't get screwed like the big spenders, but I definitely won't ROI with how late it arrived.  While I'm fairly good at holding a grudge, the BFL hate on the forums has more than expressed my irritation for me, so I've moved on to more constructive things.  :-)  I am going to laugh the day they deliver on time, and everyone dies of shock.

Didn't they advertise December shipment for monarchs?

You sound very angry, I said "imagine." Who said it had to be 100? Start out with 5. And the whole POINT of my post was to say that TD will likely mark the monarch as non-refundable or that scenario will likely happen.

Local TD...? Never even knew there was a local TD... Is there a local NewEgg and local Amazon too? It's like you're implying there's a local TD everywhere like a Home Depot.

I remember when Newegg was a brick and mortar.  That was a long time ago.  Either way, I would expect all Bitcoin retail products will be labeled as NCNR, given the fraud history of the community.

I emailed TigerDirect customer support the links to all of the customer support threads on this forum that I could find with a brief description. Josh, if you're watching this thread I want you to know you got some post deleting to do. LOL

October first estimate October/November revised estimate. December/January second revised estimate and now that January is done so expect a February / March estimate next.

Four months late? Guessing they will need a new product for the community to make a claim for delivery on, clearly the Monarch has failed to meet their original estimated timeline and has beed revised 2x since that and still no packaged chips. Dream on they will have to admit a 3rd revision and then won't even meet that. This company will never provide realistic timelines they want people to buy based on phony "estimates" and ship 4 to 6 months or more later to cover the fact their prices make their products way over priced compared to more powerful units. They are losing market share faster than they can make up timeline estimates and vapourware.

awesome tiger direct is giving away free monarchs .

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free in the sense they never arrive!!!!

There's a rumor that Tiger is in the process of acquiring BFL. This would be huge if true. I'm not going to reply any further on this subject.

LOL.

er re-read the above link you ment BTC right that they are doing

they would be nuts to 'aquire BFL" a simple google of BFL would warn anyone away from that!

as to BTC and selling of BFL stuff that is true here is the link:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/bitcoin/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+hacker-news-feed-50+%28Hacker+News+50%29

scroll down the bottom of the page on the right

it is likely the 65mm stuff that will never ROI from last year only

yep BFL get out their and cull the herd of them Noobs ....move along little doggies ....watch out for them pens with the cutting knives

sigh

Searing

Only if they pay first and take delivery later... six months later! :D

Any big retailer would sue for breach of contract and take the companies assets if they were treated like us little guys.

If there is a rumor Tiger Direct are acquiring BFL maybe that's how it happened?  :P

If I remember correctly some French bank/fund was invested in them and had one of their own sat on the board?

Spree shopping was fun... bought some nice things before the crash.  Sorry bitpay..  I'll buy the coins back if you want ;)

Where is the link where we can yell at tiger direct "HEY!, HERE ARE HUNDREDS OF REASONS NOT TO DO BUSINESS WITH THOSE CON MEN!"

here is the tigerdirect bfl soon link again

http://www.tigerdirect.com/bitcoin/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+hacker-news-feed-50+%28Hacker+News+50%29

i put a long comment in their customer/feedback page about BFL and they should do a google search and run away

likely to be deleted out of hand but made me feel better

(like telling someone not to dance in the freeway when drunk)

whatever enough crazy people do the same maybe someone with power will google BFL and "gasp in dismay!"

Searing

Combining BFL product with a Tigerdirect  is akin to playing russian roulette except 5 of the six bullet chambers have bullets. Slim chance you get the empty chamber on first pull of the trigger  :D

TG sells in-stock products.  BFL sells (now) in-stock products.  
 
I think the plan is to mass produce Monarchs that is why BFL has partnered with them.

If I were BFL, I would go after newegg and amazon.com

I bet BFL wants to flood the market with Monarchs and become an AMD of bitcoin mining.  TG, newegg, overstock and amazon would help them get there.
Maybe their plan is to get AMD interested. You know, to be bought  by AMD would be a perfect exit strategy for BFL.

BTW: Monarch (butterfly) as a product name? Pure genius.

Baha, I think Newegg and Amazon too smart to team with BFL.

i bet the only thing they will sell on tigerdirect or elsewhere is the 65mm products from last year that you can't get ROI anymore....it is a NOOB honey trap by bfl

once bfl gets tigerdirect on board then they can talk amazon and newegg into it.....of course imho 5 months from now they all dump bfl for rma issues etc but hey

get what you can get in bfl's view

BFL "first to shout...last to ship" (bugle horn  here)

Searing

Should TigerDirect remove Butterfly Labs form their company?

Yes! the company will go down the drain! - 49 (81.7%)
No! BTC will benefit from it! - 11 (18.3%)
 
 TigerDirect your making a BIG MISTAKE !

TigerDirect and BFL may be a match made in heaven. The few times I've shopped at TigerDirect they have fucked my order up big time. Their return policy sucks ass and they don't stand behind their products. I refuse to shop there anymore. BFL will fit right in!

the products imho will ship in 1 month and only be the 65mm products that won't make ROI by that point also imho tigerdirect will sell them via bitcoin in a special area ie no refunds on miner equipment..ie tiger direct will only sell stuff ON HAND....which for the next few months will only be 65mm asic stuff from last year from BFL ....if tiger direct takes paypal it will be even more of an ON HAND situation..but again I bet it will be BTC only for BFL stuff...so tiger direct can stay out of all the lack of shipping or refund hassles

if that is incorrect yeah tigerdirect will eat BFL for lunch...but right now i'll bet that is the above arrangement

that is my best guess (but what do i know i bought from bfl last april and have squat)

Searing

NO!!

Tigerdirect in bed with BFL is going to be a great show!!!   (getting popcorn!)

So much butt-hurt in this thread, not that I'm adding to it. It's just that I need to empty my clipboard.

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Tiger direct is not going to put a single item on a shelf. They are simply going to take a cut of the sale, for taking an order and forwarding it to BFL. This will be an online-only sale, like what amazon does. Amazon does not stock everything you see on the website in a warehouse. Many listings, most, are just forwarded sales.

For BFL, this is the only chance they have to "step up and deliver". Tiger direct doesn't care. They will just stop payment and remove the item from the online store. The big kick in the teeth for BFL will be people saying (30 days later), "This item didn't work, I want a refund"... Just because the miner became a money-sucker device as difficulty rose and is no longer a good coin-producer. And BFL will have to honor the return/refund... every return/refund...

Why would Tiger Direct do this... Simply because of this...

"Users who purchased this, also purchased this..."
- USB cables
- Power Supply
- WiFi Router
- Network cables

and...
"Users who looked at this, purchased this instead..."
- Bitmine miner
- USB miner
- Erupter block miner
- KNC Neptue

Will this be good for BFL... Sure, if they handle it correctly.
Will this be good for Bitcoin... Depends... As a miner, no... it places more miners in others hands, faster. As a value holder, yes... Miners will have to demand more and price will rise. As a user, no... value will rise, making it harder to purchase than before, later-on. (But it is doing that anyways... now it will do it faster.)

This sound good but im pretty sure they thought about this already and have some sort of strategy against this ??? Don't you thinks ???

Yes, that is sort-of the sad point...

"... have some strategy against this..."

However, I feel that this will come to kick them in the ass. They are scammers and frauds, still in my eyes, and thinking like scammers and fraudsters. They will soon get a strong taste of "Consumer rights", that comes heavily enforced with large-scale marketing. (Right now they are still back-yard developers, no matter how many items they produce.)

They offer no financial advantage or value to the market-place, and will thus, "do little FOR bitcoin". Again, doing everything for themselves. With that in mind, they will now become the AOL of BTC-Miners. Overpriced, no actual value, no actual service, and no actual reward... but it will get a lot of people online, looking for a way to cancel service they are unsatisfied with. (Like how AOL hid links and numbers for actually canceling service, including blocking links to websites that provided instructions for canceling service. Then offering some useless free token for sticking around for another month. Oh, I get a free $200 Jalipino if I don't return my $8,000 miner! Ok, gimme that energy sucker that no-one wants to pay for off your dusty shelves!) People used AOL for years, and never even realized that they had never actually been "online"... They were stuck in AOL's ad-version of the internet, which was just on AOL's computers, not on the actual internet itself. They paid $30 a month for going to paid-advertisers internal sites, paying more for items than those who actually found the items on the real internet. It was a great scam, while it lasted.

TigerDirect sells shit hardware anyway, who cares?

....shit hardware...? TigerDirect isn't the manufacturer...

anyone get the TD daily emails?

noticed some poop on it near the bottom of today's..

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/936x637q90/843/vrmp.png

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!

I think this is the www version of email:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/email/retro/2014/WEBBP1795.asp

edit: yep - link should work

35$ per GH/s.... I paid 28.5$ per GH/s for 3 of my Antminers U1.... But, those prices are better than eBay prices for 10GH/s jalapenos.... They didn't specify if they can't be returned or not, EVERYONE GOGO BUY 10 AND RETURN AFTER 29 DAYS!


Edit: I just noticed it says 1 per customer... Clever... Just order 10 with 10 P.O. box and under different name and gift card, easy.

Good luck returning a bunch of used hardware that way. Its not like you would even really benefit from running 10 jalapenos for 1 month. I think this is geared towards td users and not actual btc users (as we all know not to buy a bfl product)

LMAO,I just gave the BFL miner a "review" on TD.Do the same guys!!!  ;)

+1

Yeah! Make sure BFL isn't able to sell their product by another reseller just because no one wants to buy it directly from them.

 After reading Tigerdirect's Return Policy @ http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/help/return.asp, what is stopping someone from purchasing one of those units, mining with it for 13 days (not that it would be particularly worthwhile), then requesting a return ?

If they keep it maybe we should all let them know how refunds work in the btc mining world. When they end up with a bunch of used hardware nobody wants I'm sure they will change their mind.

Of course this would be somewhat pointless since current bfl hardware is weak compared to the competition.

And most likely TD will have a steady stream of idiots who think they will see a positive roi buying the hardware.

D: I just said that like 2 pages ago...

See:  99% ASIC buyers thus far.

The reality is every preorder beyond Avalon Batch 1 has been a total LOSS from a BTC perspective.  All gains have been realized due to the 5000% BTC/USD or whatever growth rate.

So the sad part is many of these "idiots" buying BFL from TD might end up making money and seeing this as a huge windfall if BTC goes to $5-10K next year.  Of course then the rest of us are all along for the ride and I get to be a millionaire so hey let it happen   ;)
 
For those of you thinking I'm wrong, lets just take Hashfast for example:  50BTC purchase price.  "Market Value" of 400GH today?  ~5BTC.  Good way to lose 90%!  And no not even KnC was a good deal - it only looked good due to the increase!

I guess the most effective ROI and profit is investing hundreds of thousands of dollars and getting like maybe 10+TH/s.

Has any one bought a jalapeno at TD ???

The question is not if they will  deliver but When will they deliver
2 weeks perhaps  ;D

Feel sorry for Tigerdirect any returns drop the value significantly with difficulty increases

I wonder if Tiger Direct cares that they are now selling apparently non FCC certified products?

I also wonder how the hell the PSU they ship got a UL cert.  I wonder just how legit the UL cert is...  Anyone care to dig into it?

TigerDirect will sell these at retail for at least few weeks to catch suckers. Then they will put them on clearance to rid themselves of the rest of the inventory. It's a lot easier for BFL use TigerDirect to liquidate its remaining 65nm inventory than for BFL to do so. TigerDirect sells older/refurb hardware all the time, so they are used to discouraging returns from happening, etc etc. I'm sure this deal is negotiated significantly in TigerDirect's favor. No one should feel bad for them.

Or maybe TD's marketing department is completely oblivious to the Bitcoin world and has NO idea what BFL does or who they are in terms of their reputation.

It looks like they have hidden it.  The search page shows:  http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/search.asp?keywords=butterfly+labs with 1 review, however upon looking at the item, it says zero reviews!

HRMMM!!!!!

I just made my review on TD, so let see if they post it :?)

Guys if you have a TigerDirect account please review the jalapeno. please post your review here!
Thanks :)

ok guys, if you made a review on TD ? please follow this thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443153.0