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Good day! I made a mistake in writing the post on the English line, in reply to the guy on the situation with bitcoin, I pointed out the data from Coindesk resource, forgetting to leave a link to the original. In total I have written two messages in English for the entire time of their existence and found an error in them. from my 1200 posts, I always pointed out the resource, I did not steal any posts and did not spam. Yes you are right, I made a mistake, but who is not mistaken? Is it worth insulting a person with a ban if he was mistaken? I realized the lesson, and my posts can be checked and they speak for themselves, I pointed out the sources. Forgive me, no one is perfect, but I understood the lesson! :(
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg38383563#msg38383563

I do not see if you have a chance left to get back the account. You are going to waste your time.
Since you are banned in your original account, so legally you are breaking the rules creating this account too.

"One mistake for 1200 posts"?

Did you "forget" to source your last post aswell?

Copied from: https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-faces-drop-to-7k-as-bull-defense-crumbles/

Rule are rules. Your ban is permanent.

Your non-plagiarized posts say nothing about the ones that are plagiarized, and it doesn't matter if you learned your lesson.  You have to take the consequences of your actions, and you know what those are.  Take a look in Meta and you'll see many people saying the same thing you just said, that you made a mistake (lie), that you're sorry (that you got caught), that you won't do it again (lie), and to give you a second chance (not happening).  Pay special attention to the number of those threads that were resolved in favor of the plagiarizer.  It's ZERO.

Nice catch on the copy/paste job, whoever caught it.  Justice is served.

pla·gia·rism
ˈplājəˌrizəm/
noun: the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.

That's exactly what you did. It doesn't matter if you only did because you wanted to write an english post without knowing the language. This is not an excuse. You didn't forget to include a source. You deliberately tried to pass the post as yours (at least twice).

YOU DID. YOU BROKE THE RULES. YOU WILL NOT GET UNBANNED. End of the story.

What relevance does knowledge of the language impart upon the consequences of rules? If you plagiarize in English, French, Klingon or Dothraki it doesn't matter since the intent is the same.

Without sourcing the work, you're conveying that the ideas are your own. The language doesn't affect that.

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If you don't know enough English then perhaps the best thing to do is to not attempt to write it? Learn it before you start jumping into threads, maybe :)

I'm not so sure you understand. Plagiarism is a serious offence worldwide and a simple apology doesn't exactly acquit you of what you've done. Not only is this in the rules but I believe it's commonly taught internationally that it's a bad thing. (feel free to correct me on this)

Even if it's not explicitly explained, some minor critical thinking would lead you to believe that it's at best partially immoral. After all, if you put in time and effort into a product and someone copies it, do you think that deserves a non-negative response?

Side note, it's not as long as you stick in Meta.

*the Meta posts must be in a thread about your ban. It must be limited to discussion only about your ban, thus you can't participate in any other Meta discussions.

The exact quote:

What's the point of having rules if you are just going to allow them to be bent when someone apologizes for their actions after the fact? Unbanning you means creating a precedent for plagiarism, to which then every banned person will henceforth cite... and then there's really no point for the rule to be there anymore.

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Haste? ::)

The guy forgot to mention the source and got a ban, lol. It's funny, after all!

Thanks :D

There are hundreds of languages I don't speak. That's totally fine, as long as I don't try to join a conversation.

It's not about one person making one (two :P ) mistakes. It's about thousands of accounts doing this on a massive scale! Many of them never get caught, and some do. Plagiarism lowers the quality of this forum.

As far as I know, it's ONE (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2058662.0).
If it ever becomes TWO, I think this guy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3432369.0) has a better chance after massive community support.

Eternal ban for one mistake? are you joking? Guys, do you want to say that none of you made any mistakes for the thousands of messages that were published? I do not believe in this even before the gun :-\

Give the second chance to ihnattm

If you unban ihnattm you also have to unban the other hundreds of people who have plagiarized posts. And fuck yeah, these are the rules. Considering the fact that hundreds of thousands of members are still around who haven't been banned for plagiarism, I don't think that many have copied and pasted posts. ;)

Well, I'm not against the rules, but I think that in this case the penalties should not be so strict

Why?

Edit: just outta curiosity, did you ask your friends to come here defend you? what's up with all those users with posts in the russian board coming here so suddenly?

Plagiarism is a glaring mistake, but people always make mistakes.
I'm surprised at such fairness but I think the most important thing is that a person recognizes his mistake and ask people to forgive him.
Give him the second chance.
Thank you for your time.

Horror, because forgot to mention the source, for this ban >:(? 1200 messages, eternal ban because of one mistake it's like something too much
I think that after all, the guy deserves a chance. Everyone is mistaken.

The mistake should have been recognized when the user previewed their post (or looked at it afterward). If you're worried about "haste" and are posting too quickly/too much to even give it a look-over then you're also spamming. The punishment is warranted.

Surely, we don't post on the forum without looking over what we type, right?

Plenty of users with higher post counts have been banned.

Why do not you want to make the system of 3 penalties? If a person is banned and he values his account, he could have paid some amount in the BTC in fund forum. The first time is not big penalty, the second time is the big penalty, the third time is permanent ban. I think it would be so fair.

Because it is one mistake for 1200 msgs. We are all humans. Do you have not a single mistake for your 2700 messages ? Just be honest

Edit: I know, ihnatm, long time ago as an honest man, it is all)

The rules regarding plagiarism on this forum are fucked up. I would not hold my breath on getting your account back, I guess it's better to just start over (or as a lot of people do, buy accounts). Which is completely fine btw.

Of course, I fully agree that he made a mistake and that everyone should look and check the message before sending.
But the punishment is high jump. I'm not a moderator, but I think that the punishment in the form of a fine (by cryptocurrency) will be fair.
That is my opinion. Thank you.

I never broke any rules in any of my posts. That's why I haven't been banned.

If I did, the mods would be right to ban me.

Also, I don't buy this "I forgot to source" excuse. To me, OP joined a bounty that pays more for non-Local posts and decided to lazily copy-paste a post to earn money.

But anyways, I'm leaving this thread for now as this will not lead to anything. OP is not the first one to copy-paste, say that "he forgot" and ask for an unban. And so far, I have only seen one user being unbanned for plagiarism, and it was a very specific case.

Doesn't matter if they've made "mistakes". They haven't plagiarized.

Take a look at my post count. I have almost 3x the posts of ihnattm. Have I gotten posts deleted before? Fuck yeah! In fact, here's one of them:


But the fact of the matter is that my deleted posts, my mistakes were never anything severe like plagiarism. It's probable that most users have had at least one deleted post in their BCT lifetime. Not only that but IIRC Lauda even admitted to being temp-banned for spam. And I shitpost sometimes, sure.

But we don't plagiarize.

The administration of the forum is doing a good and important control, my bow and respect. The only thing I regret is that sometimes we don't get a second chance and we can't make it right. But I hope this guy gets a pardon, I think he's learned his lesson for life.

Besides the first error for plagiarism user ihnattm1 committed second error, this evasion of a ban! and after that wiped their previous posts! as it were did not have! making of us fools!

I mean in this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg39148400#msg39148400 and strange what do you for two years do not know the rules. You someone said wash Your posts that whatever evade the ban ?

Given the circumstances, the second chance is justified.

excuse me,but I did not think to insult you,just everything is strange in your situation.

Allow the second chance to the guy! Everyone can be mistaken
I think he understood his mistake and will no longer violate the rules of the forum.

the more he has a lot of posts and plagiat as I understood it was only in one of them.

No, we don't want to say that, but only because it would be stating the obvious, since most people have absolutely no trouble following the rules. But, if you insist, I'll go ahead and say it:

Of all the 3,000+ posts I have made on this forum, not a single one was plagiarised. Nor have I ever been banned, not even briefly, for any reason whatsoever. It's not difficult to follow the rules, and anyone who says it is difficult is a liar.

You will be wasting your time. because accounts that have been banned with such problems will not be retrieved.
so this can be a lesson to be more careful. :)

I think, it will not be that easy to give a second chance for the account that has been banet. because all the existing rules.

Mistakenly plagiarizing is a lot like mistakenly sticking your dick in some strange while married... There is nothing "accidental" about it.

Interestingly enough you have better grammar skills in this post than the VAST majority of people who grew up as native English speakers (this should be read as a knock on western schooling as well  ;D).  Your use of capitalization's, commas, periods, exclamation points, apostrophes, pluralization's, sentences and paragraph while far from perfect suggests a much deeper understanding of English than you are saying. 

Instead of telling everyone they are bad people for not supporting you or giving you a second chance how about you deal with the consequences of your actions like an adult.  I know in this day and age it's easier to blame other people but just try for once to look at yourself as the problem and NOT everyone else.

Or don't it doesn't make much difference as the chances of a ban for plagiarizing being lifted is pretty damn low from what I have seen.

You don't have to agree.

Do judges ask the offender what they want to have as punishment? Rules are rules and if you make a change for one person you should make the change for every person. This has not been the case since Lone Shark (i.e. unbanning a user after plagiarism).

No, I don't think we like bribes here.

No. Bitcointalk doesn't have "fines" apart from evil units for new account registration. If we allowed every banned user to pay a fee to unban themselves then we would have anarchy.

Unfortunately, the only thing you can do is just leave the forum behind. Remember that a ban means that the person is banned, not the account. Don't evade.

Who are you talking about? Your account 'ihnattm' was permabanned.

Not only that, but since his last post here has nothing to do with that ban, I think mods should probably lock this topic and call it a day.

From what I gather in this thread, your ban was permanent.  Where does it say it was temporary?

Edit: Don't know how you understood the ban to be temporary anyway, or why you tried posting from the banned account.  You deserve an IP ban, IMO.

The ban was supposed to be permanent, but indeed, you have continued your posting text copied from other sites:

As far as I know, only Admins can unban banned accounts. I'm curious to know what happened here, the unban must have been a mistake.
Modlog (https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php) doesn't show a new ban.

This explains it:

As far, as I understood from posts on this thread, this wasn`t a one time thing. So, how can you talk about a mistake? Mistake is not something that you keep doing, knowing you are wrong. If it became systematical, I think admins had their reasons to ban you.
In the same time, I believe that nobody should get a perma ban without warning first.
P.S. Talking about not knowing English in English is somewhere around funny, though :)

It's quite incredible you are still whining about being banned for plagiarism. I don't know how they do things in your country, but here in the US we learn at a very early age (12? 13?) that copying what someone else wrote without providing a reference to the original work - that is, plagiarism - is seriously wrong. It is so wrong, in fact, that if you get caught doing it at the university level you will be expelled from the school.

So, getting banned from an online forum seems like a relatively minor consequence for the same behavior.

It's really not that hard to follow the rules here, as it's always easier to not post at all rather than shitpost or, worse, plagiarize. If you have to make a certain number of posts to meet a bounty or sig campaign quota but you aren't a good writer and/or don't have any original thoughts then might I suggest that you are in the wrong line of work?

YOU WERE PERMA BANNED!!!!!

It was showing as a 7 day ban because of a bug. Which ended up unbanning every banned account. Now that the bug was fixed, you got banned again.

And it's actually funny as hell how you have been crying about your ban for 1 month, saying that it was a mistake and that you learned your lesson, and when you mistakenly got unbanned, you kept shitposting copy pasted posts. Wtf??

Got it? You will not get unbanned. Your account is GONE. Now, please.... PLEASE... leave the forum.

Have you know that even on the reality, plagiarism is a theft of someone's statement. That is the forum's law and rules and regulations. Your suggestions were too ease and could only make the forum a nest of spammers, plagiarist, and shitposters.

Anybody who reads this thread can tell you're banned permanently.

Did you know you're still breaking the rules, bumping this thread within 24 hours?

Why do you persist in calling your actions a "mistake"? When using another author's work, you have a moral and legal duty to attribute it. But you decided that shitposting is more important than either the moral rights of the author you're copying from or international copyright law, and that makes you an evil person. Furthermore, your refusal to accept responsibility for your actions demonstrates that you don't really care about the harm you've caused to the community. You claim to have realised your "mistake", but the truth is you haven't realised anything. You are no longer welcome here, and no longer have any rights here. Go away.

My only mistake is responding to this thread in the hope that it would, in some small way, help you to see the error of your ways. Not because it would get you unbanned (it wouldn't), but because it would help you to understand why nobody cares about your protests. Clearly, this is a hopeless effort. You are beyond all help and redemption.

It shouldn't be. You are an unrepentant evildoer, and may whatever god you believe in have mercy on your soul.

You broke a serious rule - plagiarism - and received a serious punishment - banning. That's hardly unique to America.

Just in case anyone has forgotten why ihnattm was "bunned", it's for straight up copying a paragraph of text from a CoinDesk article without providing any reference to said source, and he was nailed by LoyceV as reported here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg38383563#msg38383563 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg38383563#msg38383563)

Plagiarism is not a minor mistake, ihnattm1; it is very serious one. The kind that gets you kicked out of university with no refunds, no credit for that class, etc. Playing the injured party here and feigning remorse just makes you even less deserving of a 2nd chance (even though no one banned for plagiarism gets a 2nd chance, anyway). And when someone accidentally unbanned everyone here for a couple of hours you wasted no time posting two more shitposts where you essentially ran content from other sites through google translate (well, at least you provided source links this time), so I daresay the forum won't really miss you.

Oh, and stop trying to claim the rest of us are just as guilty as you; that shit really annoys me. I've had two posts out of >1340 deleted for being off-topic, and both of those were for calling out a spammer for spamming (best to just report the post and not reply to it, in other words). No other rule violations, and I'm not even trying that hard (because it doesn't really require much effort to abide the rules here...).

I'm confused. Why do you want to be part of this forum, if you think it's filled with raping dictators?

Suggestion: put OP in "Ignore" and move on.

Stop wasting your time. I myself will be doing this. Bye OP :D

You still don't get it, do you? Both @Foxpup and I have told you several times that plagiarism is, indeed, a serious offense. The fact you were permabanned for it should convince you of that, but no, you keep claiming this was a minor mistake and you just "forgot" to provide a source for the content you copied from someone else. If you posted something that was repeated a thousand times per hour on this site - e.g., "good project" or the like - then a temp-ban for 1-7 days would be appropriate, but not for copying an entire paragraph from an article published online...

Sorry, but you really did make a serious mistake, whether your moral standards (or lack thereof) feel otherwise.

Just means you're not taking it seriously enough to have a habit of adding a source right after you paste in a quote.

Or, you can do what I do and actually use quote tags.