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Thanks for advertising SC again, should have you on the CPF eh?

BTW it's not one million BLOCKS, it's one million coins will be generated in the genesis block. So you may want to get your handlers to proof read your statements before you release them. :) Also we aren't sure of the redistribution method yet, it may be that all addresses with a positive balance get sent their balance, hence all funds from the genesis block would be exhausted quickly.

Restarting with a new genesis block cleans the chain of the mess created by hackers and spammers and also allows the client to be easier to maintain due to not needing to support the old hackable protocol.

And when the SC network restarts it won't be vulnerable to 51% exploits and you'll be unable to do anything..... Probably has to hurt your ego that SC will be the only viable chain soon.... :) Keep up with the attacks, you're doing a good job destroying bitcoin.

I like how Realsolid keeps not discussing his solution to the 51% problem.

And is the relaunch 2 weeks out? Seems like with your coding skills this should take no more than 3 days tops.

Did you actually attack SC 1.10?

Haha, yes the "kill switch", that I disabled from the bitcoin code. Nice work reading the code there einstein. :) You can do whatever you want with your 300MH mining power when the network is restarted, doesn't matter how much mining power you say you have the new SC protects against it.

BTW what is with your lies on the other forum about attacking SolidCoin and that's the reason it was shut down? I checked the blocks, no attack, mind pointing out to everyone where your so called "attack" was mate? How are people going to think you're a serious script kiddy when you don't back up your claims?

Okay this thread is turning into a bitch fight.

(microwaving popcorn)

 :D

Pregen a million coins???

 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Hey CH, why don't you just call it Ix 2.0 while you're at it.  It's more along the theme don't you think.

Haha, seriously, anyone who believes this kid has more than 300MH is deluded. He is creating lies all over the place, and anyone who knows how can go check SC block history to see proof of his lies. You make artforz look like a trained professional. Everyone be afraid of bitcoinexpress and his Geforce2 MX mining rigs.

CH you're embarrassing yourself.

No one believes you anymore.

Really, put up or shut up.  Anything past that is obnoxious noise.

Setup the testnet of code you have no idea about and what are you going to do ? Use some Geforce2MX bitcoin attacks on it? Haha. Try to attack it when it's released script kiddy, I know it's secure and am not afraid of what you think you can do. The old network wasn't secure from mining attacks which is why I pulled it down to protect everyones investments, the new one is or it wouldn't be coming back. If I had no clue what I was doing the same thing that happened to I0/IX/NMC would have happened to SC.

So make sure you're watercooling those badboy nvidia chips for when it's released, I want to feel your full powah!

I will vouch for his firepower. I watched him take down the GG network and throw blocks around like it was popcorn. Made difficulty go down to 0.06 for over an hour...he is serious.

You didnt read or understand what these Coins are for, eh ?
If you want to troll, make sure you know what you are talking about.  :P

Read: I'm chicken.

Even if he has a lot of mining power (Unlikely as it is) it's irrelevant to new SC. He cannot do anything, wouldn't matter if he had 99% of mining power.

Believe the known liar as much as you want, he's clueless.

Then if what you say is true it wont matter if the community knows the solution you've found because you will be able to use it to ward off BCX.

What is your solution? Let's hear it!

I found a few other lies too

I've already shown how everyone can prove you are a liar. Go over the SolidCoin block chain and find lack of an attack. You have said you attacked it and that was the reason for the closure (wrong), and there is no attack in the chain. Ouch.

+1

Cant you resolve that like Gentlemen, like a Pistol Duel or something ? http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a285/starfool/MB%20Icons/th_duel.gif?t=1258479644

Where's CH?  Wasn't he just talkin smack?

Oh I think I see him

http://www.arsgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/runningchicken.gif

I wouldn't be surprised if he releases SC 2.0 in like a year after BCX forgets about all of this.

So the SolidCoin network is going down because the person who started it up says so.

HAHAHAHAHHA

Geez people must be fools - why not just ignore him and keep running your current network?

Or even, run the current network with the new client - oops sorry can't do that coz he doesn't want you to and has hard coded stuff into the new client to stop you from doing that - and for NO OTHER REASON.
There are no grounds to do that.

There is no reason to actually delete the block-chain other than the fact that he wants lots of solid coins.

(he obviously didn't think of this until he saw the GG block-chain)

I agree. Why stop just because one person says so. Sounds like centralization as opposed to decentralization.

I think I know where he went.

To go check if he is still able to prop up the price

https://i.imgur.com/SFecB.png

hell yeah!

LOL WHAT! :)

Didn't notice this before (not even sure why I bothered to look just now but anyway)

CoinHunter's sig

"SolidCoin - The Faster and more stable alternative to Bitcoin
SolidCoin is ready for the Bitcoin Collapse"

Oh that's funny - nice joke there :)
So stable it's going down already ... to start again.
I'd almost call that a ... collapse :D

Should I put "geist geld ready for solidcoin collapse" in my sig, lol ?

please, do so.
the more forks are "ready for the bitcoin collapse" the better
security by redundancy ;)

Oh, I can't attest as to Geist's readiness for Bitcoin collapse (due to Bitcoin "collapse" being largely a hypothetical catastrophe of epic proportions), but it is sure as hell ready for (another) SolidCoin collapse.

As I have not received any comment as to (quite sincere) question about implementation of "Protekshun phund", I shall repeat it.

Says the guy who's fucked up a whole bunch of iterations of his "awesome" coin and now has to start from scratch.   

Seriously, you're embarrassing yourself.   Stick to your own forum where people are at least stupid enough to believe you.

Who cares anymore.

I am very interested as to the racket algorithm known as "protecshun fund" that is claimed to become part of new solidcoin.

I, too, want to mine coinsiz with other people's electricity :)

Hold a second! WTF is that "SC 2.0"?!
Start over?!

Solidcoin goes straight to my shitlist! Could be interesting but its developers are totally postal, erratic and pathetic.

I don't mind the restart that much per se (and the compensation proposal is technically plausible, one has to admit), but taking a % of newly mined stuff into some fund (even assuming it will be used to do useful stuff) rubs me very wrong way (after all, it was the miner's time and electricity, no? )

Love your sig Lolcust.  All Bitcoin forks are a scam, I'm sure Satoshi has a lot of BTC but at least it's decentralized unlike all these new cryptocurrencies.  Bitcoin has a lot going for it still, even if it were to collapse it would take a few years imo unless market manipulators are as viscious as most posters here make them out to be.

which part of the mafia style protection 'voluntary' funding did you not understand?
: )))
;)

What wrong with that?  It's just taxation... Oh hang on, that means there's a solidcoin government :D

President Solid?

Personally, I have nothing against Solidcoin (and nothing against the reset except the "protecshun fund" which sounds  as close to a honest to Cthulhu racket as a digital currency can get)

I do have something against that "ready for Bitcoin collapse" article, though.

P.S.:

I also have something against fork-hate :D

Ya know, at least Namecoin is a very useful and innovative fork (I do  hope for  Geist to get as useful as innovative as it can, after all, it has already taught the knowledgeable folks around here some interesting things, and I hope it will go on doing so...that, and fuel my UniLaundry  ;) )

I did not understand the part where he is supposed to tunnel a fist over TCP/IP to "convince" me to pay "protection" lol.

Protection racket on the internet seems tricky because fist over TCP/IP was never properly implemented   :D

Also, I am generally not very fond of rackets :(

oh, yes, this is still only in the wishful thinking phase of implementation

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4772/1767/320/62483229d.jpg

Depends on how large the "buffer" is compared to typical and "maximum" laundering transaction. There is a fairly obvious way to maintain a laundry with a static buffer arrangement, but that assumes that the buffer is pretty damn large (whether my buffer is large enough or tiny is still open to debate, but if it's not large enough then well, my laundry dies due to 4 mil of buffer being to little a sum and a drop in a bucket, with nobody except me noticing :( )

As to oversight, technology so far simply does not exists to arrange for such system, but do notice that I have no beef with SolidCoin2.0 apparently unsupervised "compensation fund" (the method seems viable in principle, I admitted that much), only with taking away a portion of coins that miners mined with their own goddamn electricity


It's a viable service, the demand for which is only bound to rise.

I can't force people to launder their mathemagical monies (or their "vanilla" money), can I ? So who exactly gets, um, racketed ?

Like the "standard TCP/IP" touch. I might assume that over non-standard TCP/IP you already can punch people in the face...

Technically, as long as you can't "game" the system to "force" the client into your laundry (which mobsters usually could), no, not a proper racket.


I edited those in just before you posted.



Like I said, my only objections so far are:

1) taking away a part of coinage that was generated by other people's electricity (and GPUs which don't last forever under mining stress)

2) extremely obnoxious article which I decided to lampoon a bit in my sig.

If he premined a ton of coinage for a fund with his own electricity and a bit of tricky code, I would not see much problem.

Taking away stuff others mined   is somewhere in the extortion territory (Or maybe taxes, with the notable difference being that SC2.0 is hardly capable of being a Monarchy unto itself)

I could careless if I lose all my soldicoins. DOUCHEBAGEXPRESSS, WHat I do care about is some DOUCHEBAG who is on the forums caused ALL OF THE EXCHANGES TO CLOSE FOR ALLL OF THE COINS because he is an egotistical jerk, who doesnt know the proper way to expose exploits.

I have 300 total solidcoins, left on the exchanges. 300! and You can still trade them at places like solidcoin24. How about doing a little research before acting like a total douchebag.

It isnt me I am concerned about it is what you are doing to the community. It is what you are doing to doubleC, it is what you are doing to geist geld, it is what you are doing to ruxum, it is what you are doing to namecoin, it is what you are doing to I0coin, it is what you are doing to ixcoin and yes it is what you are doing to solidcoin. You are fucking with entire communities, and doing pen testing on a live enviroment when no one asked you to. That is malicious hacking. You can call it a test now people are pissed with your douchebagness. But you cant say I am pissed that I cant trade my pittiful amount of coins. PS i have about the same many of i0coins I cant trade either.,

You have disrupted the entire place for your ego, and your upset that I called you out on it? If I was the founder of any of these chains, I would look into filing charges against you. Sure bitcoins dont have value, but malicious hacking is still a crime.

Hey say what you want about realsolid, the only coin that was hurt by his license was his own, YOU FUCKED THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY UP THE ASS. You are costing businesses like ruxum and bitparking BUSINESS. People should fuck you back.

My quite sincere word of advice is - not by taking away from miners. Srsly.

If the guy is trusted to manage fund "harvested from miners", he can also be trusted to manage a fund he makes with his own electricity (and perhaps some mild coyness with the code)

If the guy can not be trusted to manage a fund he himself premined, why would he treat a fund generated with other people's electricity instead of his own any differently ?


The extra coin is still technically generated with the miner's power and GPU lifetime (limited to 12 mnth, I'm told), no?

IMHO that would be a very minor kind of extortion, petty even, but still extortion (or "taxation by a non government entity" if one feels like being extra politically correct  :D )

If the guy needs extra mathemagical monetary units to do stuff, I don't mind that. Not at all. I can relate to that :)

I do know for a fact, however, that you do not need to get involved with mathemagical monetary units generated on other people's hardware to achieve that end.

So you had faith in solidcoin, the creator intentionally killed it, and you're happy with that? Any value you had in solidcoin is in limbo (if not gone completely), but you're cool with it on the promise of an egomaniac that you will get an equivalent number of "new" coins that might be worth something in a "few weeks" and that you get to have input on features that may or may not go into said new version before it launches?

I've never owned any solidcoins, and yeah, you're too trusting.

SO I should blame realsolid for the i0coin exchange being down as well?




just like the last time solidcoin was killed right?



I dont trust anyone but myself. I was also given plenty of warning and could have turned my 300 solidcoins into a couple BTC before all this,  maybe $20 worth at todays prices.. YAWN! What about ixcoin? the founder premined 1/4 million coins, I bitched about that and still made money mining ixcoins. I dont really get along with the founder of that. Look at i0coin, it was started on a whim in 2 days. It died and was brought back to life by the community as the original developer went MIA. Thats all kinds of nuts, but I made money at those as well.



Di you mean to say "you get no input" cause I'm not sure what kind of attack this is. Yes I like suggesting features.




Thats Your fault and your opinion. I made a dozen BTC in the first day of solidcoin on a 5770, that is months worth of btc mining btc for me. I have more than doubled that in the first month.

Your not trusting that the major holders of BTC might not start to divest and cause the price to plunge to like $5 a btc? And you attack us for being tooo trusting? LOL.

Times like this, I'm glad Satoshi is gone and hope he never comes back.

To the people who say they are silly trusting me, well I have a history of being trustworthy to this point. Can anyone come forward that I have wronged? What about the owners of the 33000 coins given out in bounties so far? I have given out over 120 bounties and other SC supporters another 50 or so. It's all on the bounties page, and totals nearly 3% of all coins generated. This is the same amount as the proposed CPF.

I think it's the paranoid people who have issues with trust that are the real concern, I understand that in bitcoin realm a lot of shady people hang out but it's beyond a joke some of the baseless accusations and whatnot that go on here. Some people really need to grow up.

I guess we run into implementation vs. user psychology issues at this point.

I've expended time and electricity to find a block.

I did.

Now, I know that when I did so, there were coins that went to me and coin(s) that went someplace else. The existence of those "someplace else" coins (just as the ones that I can now spend) is casually, from user perspective, linked to the creation of the block and the resources I spent creating it.
SO Y DID U TAKE MY COINSES AWAY ? :D

Whether those "coinses" were ever "mine" in the accounting or programming sense is at this point a foregone conclusion.

Also, a good question would be "how many extra tx / extra blocks does the Superfund make the system deal with".  A Superfund that only "wastes" one block to come into existence is "better" than one that wastes a hundred or a thousand.

Rampant attacks? : 1 or 2 at the most doesn't equal rampant, and solidcoin's arrogance is a wash with being attacked as far as I'm concerned, a little humility on his part would have saved everyone a lot of time and trouble.

Rampant threat of attacks? : You've never been threatened before? It seems to happen everywhere now.
Bored teenager syndrome? : Also exists everywhere now a days.

And so far everything you have said is putting blame toward someone else and on the defensive. Just pointing that out.

I'd like to know what security enhancements you think you're going to get since none of the 80+ security enhancements that were supposedly fixed in Bitcoin were ever found in solidcoin's source code. Unless bitcoin is in serious trouble of a renaming attack or whitespace overflow.

You're buying the argument that the new version of solidcoin is going to fix every possible security problem with p2p currency protocol from a guy who has !never! once given an acceptable technical explanation of anything.

I didn't say anything about a kill switch, never have, never alluded to it because I saw the removed comment too.

Sure people can keep running it. Why bother though? I doubt any providers are going to support the old block chain, most of them are closed or closing. If any of them are going to offer any services in solidcoin it will be for the new one since there is not a concerted effort to keep the original chain alive, and just keeping an open source copy of the client around and updated doesn't really count. People should have just let it die, but they believed the hype and wanted to believe it was something special. The creator killed it, with nothing to replace it, and now people literally believe in something that doesn't exist.

You forgot moonco.in.

Did I say that? No. I don't care about your BTCExpress agenda.


Then sell them already and get over it. Again, I don't care about your BTCExpress agenda, and reading it on every post is getting old.

I don't care about the 1/4 million pre-mined coins. Incentives make perfect sense to me for someone who's second to market.

I made a nice profit on ixcoins, despite the fact that I didn't believe in what ix or i0 were selling. I didn't get in the i0 startup because I predicted that it was going to be a mess due to the hype and launch date.



No, I said 'you get to have input' just like it's written and just like what I meant. Since ch is an egomaniac and super awesome pro coder I thought it was funny that he was actually RFQ'ing since he dismissed all the bitcoin dev's and everyone else's peer reviews. Perhaps he learning except that he has essentially killed his "product" without having something to replace it.



I said I never owned solidcoins, partly because I was offline the week that they launched. I might have gotten in on the launch depending on the situation, but I would never have gotten on the bandwagon. Exactly how do you read 'only holds bitcoins and only explicitly trusts in them'. You need some serious comprehension help. I didn't pay cash for my bitcoins, maybe you did, I won't assume, the value fluctuating doesn't concern me very much since I am not an investor.  And I do trust Bitcoins more than any alt chain fork, until given a legit reason not to, which I haven't seen yet. Until then, the squabbling of all the alt chains is my As The World Turns.

Whatever Mr. Douche. I never got my bounty... requested it multiple times. But I dumped the thousands of Solidcoins I had anyway, so who cares now.... SolidCoin was such a promising coin. but you have no idea how to listen with your ears, instead you listen and respond with your a$$. every time you say something I am tempted to hand you toilet paper to wipe.... jeez. you may be a talented programmer, but you are a social zero...

I'm going to laugh so fucking hard when you eat these words in the not-so-distant future.

Your hubris will be your downfall.

LOL, you'll have your chance to attack it with your Geforce2MX army once the testnet goes public. Just keep it in your pants until then.

What bounty? There is only one I can think of and if that is you there is a valid reason for not giving it to you. I'm glad you have sold all your SC so now you can move on with your life?

The fact that this thread is the most popular on the board atm shows how pathetic it has become.  >:(

Quite the opposite. CoinHunter is on my shitlist actually so I might have missed the content of the thread.
This was merely an observation about the forum.

well fuck, didn't sleep yet.
gn8  ::)

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Bitcoin is not decentralized because the developers can dictate the software's behaviour:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths#Bitcoin_is_not_decentralized_because_the_developers_can_dictate_the_software.27s_behaviour (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths#Bitcoin_is_not_decentralized_because_the_developers_can_dictate_the_software.27s_behaviour)

So, the following guys have total control of Bitcoin:

Developers:
Satoshi Nakamoto
Gavin Andresen -  (PGP)
Pieter Wuille
Nils Schneider - nils.schneider@gmail.com (PGP)
Jeff Garzik - jgarzik@exmulti.com (PGP)

 I think that the Bitcoin development and future decisions SHOULD be democratic. With something like e-democracy, e-poll or, something entirely new, just like the Bitcoin itself...

 BTW, SolidCoin is a big joke! I like it because it make me laughter! A LOT!!!  LOL

Cheers,
Thiago

Guys we really need to stop fighting amongst ourselves. p2p currency advocates are their own worst enemies at the moment. We need to be ready with decent, practical, dependable and non-scammy alternatives to debt based fiat money now that hyperinflation is beginning to accelerate.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/sep/15/world-banks-flood-markets-with-dollars

To me, the alt-currencies form a useful sink. People are going to get scammed no matter what the contents or rules of any given block chain are. I would rather have them be scammed out of Solid or IO coins instead of Bitcoins. ;)

I read most all comments on both forums.  IMHO the value of mining is way overstated.  There will be little business development until the mining stops.  In fact you could use bounties for people who put up quality nodes of the network to protect the network.  Even though namecoin and ixcoin had virtually no blocks found, it still had enough interest to always have 8 nodes.  It is not until the inflation mining stops before businesses can be developed.  mining is similar to liberal government, just robbing savers and businesses. Once mining became unprofitable, only then did I consider trading and business.

I would restart the solidcoin 2.0 or even solidcoin 3.0.

1) 3% tax on all transactions, 0.5% to deflation destroyed, 2.5% for bounties.  minimum 0.01 fee
2) 1 coins added to each block, not for inflation but to compensate for deflation and lost coins.  This could go to bounties.

I'm curious about the loss of bitcoins by people... Is there any statistics about this?!

I totally agree with you!!

I think we should pay a bounty to each member of  the bitcoin development team.

Thanks for giving me some laughter today! :)  BTW I don't expect everyone to love SolidCoin, people have a tendency to choose teams and that is fine with me. I think competition is a positive thing for development.

Please don't spread misinformation.

I agreed to join TruCoin a couple of months ago, because I knew Eric (chaord) and Chris (cbrunner) through these forums and I think their vision and experience give TruCoin a really good chance of being an important company in the bitcoin economy.

And they hired me because TruCoin won't go anywhere if core bitcoin falls apart. I will (and have) mostly be working on core bitcoin issues, jumping in and writing code that I think is critically needed that nobody else is stepping up to write and working to make bitcoin as stable and secure as possible.

If Eric and Chris tell me to do something that is bad for bitcoin, I'll let them know what I think. If they suddenly lose their minds and stop listening, then I'll quit.

If I lose my mind and start doing things that are bad for bitcoin as a whole (or if I start trying to do things to bitcoin-core that benefit TruCoin over everybody else), then you-all should fire me.

Exactly how do we do that if the scenario you described unfolds?

We would fork, and if our fork was better, Gavin's version would fade away. Everyone currently holding Bitcoins has an incentive to keep the rules consistent.

https://i.imgur.com/0SSTN.png

If deepbit, BTCguild and slush switch to Version B, it's gameover for version A right there.

Just sayin'

If mining is unprofitable, why would people mine?
If people don't mine, the network stagnates and transactions are impossible.
Bonus points:  If a lot of people aren't mining it is very easy for one guy and a stack of GPUs to do the 51% routine, and I know businesses aren't going to like that idea much!

No mining = no *coin.

I have some SC I want to exchange for BTC, any place to do that right now?

Sorry, seams like ScamCoin is out of commission. I've some SC too... I'll sell them for 1,000 BTC ea. (Hey! Now they're collectibles!  ;D )

Not really just take the old client and mine them a uber low difficulty. Voila!

Eh, oh well...I only had like 78 anyways, but still wanted to get rid of them.  I thought I heard something about people in an IRC channel buying them?  Don't know why they would be though, so maybe I read that wrong.

Try #bitcoin-otc, usually they do trade everything there.

@Cosbycoin,

But those won't have the charm of being forged in a plain scammed blockchain.

This tells me more about you than about Gavin...

Not if you use the time-travel exploit. :D

Solidcoin 2.0 to start over with new genesis block. <- read: How SolidCoin can fuck us all!  

This is just a subtle scam to earn SolidCoin few hundred thousand s*coins for nothing. There is absolutely NO need for the new chain!
Everything can actually be fixed in a existing chain but DippShit & Co (RealSolid/Coinhunter) is not going to do that.
Why? Because they need the new chain to to get few hundred thousand socoins for nothing.

Funny, this was predicted a few weeks ago.  It was a made up spoof back then. My, how fiction becomes reality so quickly.

Thats easy, just delete the scamcoin wallet.

I will gladly buy solidcoins for Geist, at 1-to-1 ^__^

That technology sound A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!

I can just imagine!

Hey, you gotta ask CH before using his source, remember?

Jizzzz! Now I'll be sued for IP violation! Glad I have SC to pay the fine.  ;D

Agree.

Wrong.

Cooperation is a good thing. Always, for every single doable thing on this planet. Cooperation is the word.

Competition is pure crap. Look around you man... The society we live today, is based on competition... Is a HUUUUGE SHIT!!!

And I can tell more bad things about competition:

1- The computer you have today, it is NOT the most amazing thing because of what?! COMPETIOTION!!

The companies should make things worse they can, but kind of usable, to be competitive... But the companies SHOULD do the BEST they could! But this is not competitive. So, it is not done. Why we don't have goods that last 10 years?! Because this will not maintain the cyclical consumption. All about money... I hate this society!! I want a new world!! Without banks, without governments.

2- There are milions of companies doing the exactly the same thing... This is a huge waste of energy.

3- There is already a cure for cancer... But it is not profitable to CURE PEOPLE!! Because of what?!?! You guess!!  ;-)

My life will be entirely dedicated to the cooperation, and I will try to create a new society, based on "open source everything". For example, Bitcoin, Open Source Ecology - GVCS, The Venus Project, Linux, Open Source Medicine, and so on...

There is no place for competition in my life.

I'm here to cooperate and help us to make this world a better place, for us.

Because in the way we are today, it will lead us to self destruction.

You CH, should HELP Bitcoin, instead of wasting your energy doing something useless like "Solid"coin.

And by the way, if the Bitcoin is so bad, why have you based the Solidcoin code in the Bitcoin code, forking it?! HEIN!?!?

Why don't you created the Solidcoin from scratch?!

If the Bitcoin is bad, so is Solidcoin.

Cheers!!
Thiago

Thiago,

I would second you BUT I guess some people put glory over the wrong subject; competition, whereas it is a correlation, not a cause, for an important feature: Diversity.
In fact several companies working on the same business but NOT doing the same are good for human development and freedom of choice. Imagine there were only PC's or only Windows or only Linux... the World would be black & white.

This was for me reason to believe on solidcoin on the first place, unlike i0c and ixc, slc was about to be something "new enough" to detach itself from btc and keep a separate path. Obviously CH became the cancer of SLC, acting postal, erratic and bashing bitcoin by claiming to be "fixing issues" he wasn't helping anything and killed his own project.

Good point but, I do not totally agree with you.

Competition did not provide diversification... The diversification we see in the today's world come from science and technology.

The governments, banks and as we well know, the corporatocracy, just caught the wave of advance of science and technology.

You need to watch the documentaries: "Zeitgeist - Addendum" and "Zeitgeist - Moving Forward"...

Best,
Thiago

Also, I do not believe on this...

The new world based on cooperation, will be MUCH more "colored" than you even imagine. Just read the book: The Best That Money Can't Buy, of Jacque Fresco...

The today's world is already black and white!! But black of polution and white of foam detergents in rivers...

BTW, a world without Windows and only with Linux.... hehehhe... This is a GOOD thing that should happen!!  lol

Cheers!
Thiago

I didn't say "competition provides diversity", I said there's a correlation between those two but not causation.

If you look, let's say, Linux and Windows, they both seams to be "competition" - correlation - but each of them do their things their way, there's diversity.

Now if A produces headache pills and B produces also headache pills using the same formula but different brand, you're getting competition but not diversity, as besides the brand there's no difference between them. So they "compete" on the only ground left; price. And how do they do it? By trying to exploit their employees or put factories at Vietnam... and you start to have and feel the negative effects of "competition" you were talking about.

On this balance there's yet another thing: "Consumer defense" is the major scam on the ground. Everybody, unless handicap, too young or too old or an useless parasite being living at someone else's, or the State, expenses, is BOTH: Consumer AND Producer.

Mmm.. Gotcha!!

Sorry, I'm from Brazil, so english isn't my native language...

Don't believe in books... believe in life and practice.
Over the books even communism is the ultimate wonder (and hey! is "cooperativist"). In practice it manage to outnumber even Nazis in the body count they caused.
Cooperation is good, but Freedom of Choice must stand, otherwise it becomes an "enforced cooperation", the worse of the Totalitarian systems.

Tudo bem Tiago, eu sou Português, o inglês também não é o meu idioma nativo.