Do you think Doctors lie?

[cryptocontinental]

Recently i went to the hospital to check see the doctor and i was told the doctor to attend to me will be back soon, while waiting, he came in and from the look of things he had gone to smoke, it got me thinking, can it be that they are telling us not to do this and that and if you follow them you wont eat anything because everything is bad to health, no drinking of alcohol, smoking of any kind and the list is endless, why would a doctor now turned around and go smoking?

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[TECSHARE]

Here is a simpler question...

Are doctors human? Yes? Do humans lie? Yes. There is your answer. However that doesn't mean his advice is bad... smoking isn't good for you, and just because he is also addicted doesn't mean his advice is invalid. I would suggest you try to improve your health in the ways he suggested as much as you can manage without living in misery. I would make the goal to be constantly improving in that area rather than just meeting all of his instructions to the letter. If it is absolutely critical you do something they will make it clear. His job is to tell you how to get healthy, its not his job to tell you how to control yourself.

[thunderbitz2717]

Recently i went to the hospital to check see the doctor and i was told the doctor to attend to me will be back soon, while waiting, he came in and from the look of things he had gone to smoke, it got me thinking, can it be that they are telling us not to do this and that and if you follow them you wont eat anything because everything is bad to health, no drinking of alcohol, smoking of any kind and the list is endless, why would a doctor now turned around and go smoking?

If the doctors advise you not to drink alcohol, no smoking I think better to follow this advise. Because you know the consequences if you continue those prohibited to you. Now, if some other things were the Doctor said don't eat this food such as Pork, preservative foods , and etc it is still good to follow, but if the physicians advise you not to eat this vegetable or fruits well in this case the Doctor is lying this time on this scenario. Because, all fruits and vegetable are good into our body. Why? because human are herbivorous.

[Ying]

Do you remember Dr.House genius phrase: ëverybody lie"?

 We lie to doctors, they lie to us. Sometimes its a white lie, sometimes its about money ore other profit...

[FunGate]

Everybody lies, even doctors. Just because they went to school for a long time doesn't mean they aren't easily swayed by pharmaceutical drug pushers. This is why the supply chain transparency in healthcare will be a great means of blatantly revealing unnecessary, deadly, and highly profitable over-prescription.

As for the smoking? The doctor probably has a broader view on human health, knowing that no matter what we do, we're ultimately only alive for a very short time and it's all mostly suffering anyways (until we achieve digital immortality of course) so fuck it. 

[stevena82]

Doctors are human and they can also lie. They sometimes lie to cover their shame from errors committed at workplace. A doctor can even cover up an error committed by his colleague just to protect their integrity, creating the impression that they are always holy 

[SkyFlakes]

Everyone had lied in their entire life and doctor is not an exemption to it. Lies are basically not good to practice. But there are some lies that might brought a good efffect. But I think in the doctors view, I think this kind or any kind of lie should not be happening. A doctors job always holds a life of a person, thus, a doctor should always be transparent. A doctor should not have any mistake, and if ever, that shouldn't be kept as a lie. All in all, doctors are just humans as they also experienced having lie but that shouldn't be job related I think.

[DutchDemon]

Recently i went to the hospital to check see the doctor and i was told the doctor to attend to me will be back soon, while waiting, he came in and from the look of things he had gone to smoke, it got me thinking, can it be that they are telling us not to do this and that and if you follow them you wont eat anything because everything is bad to health, no drinking of alcohol, smoking of any kind and the list is endless, why would a doctor now turned around and go smoking?

I guess, u're asking whether a doctor would lie to her patient regarding medical advice. My question is, what would be her motivation to do so?

[o_e_l_e_o]

This is why the supply chain transparency in healthcare will be a great means of blatantly revealing unnecessary, deadly, and highly profitable over-prescription.

I assume you live in the United States? I see this kind of argument a lot, people complaining about doctors being "bought" by pharmaceutical companies. And while this is a large problem in the US, it isn't in most other developed nations. If you compare against the UK for example, doctors are given no financial incentive whatsoever for using or prescribing a particular drug. In many countries unnecessary prescribing is actually actively discouraged, with guidelines to follow and even punishments for doctors who hand out too many prescriptions.

A doctor should not have any mistake, and if ever, that shouldn't be kept as a lie.

That's an unreasonable expectation to have, I'm afraid. Everybody makes mistakes. It doesn't matter how trained you are, how experienced you are, how skillful you are. You can do something flawlessly a million times, and still make a mistake on the millionth-and-first time. In medicine there are countless checks, guidelines, checklists, routines, etc. designed to minimize mistakes. Obviously if mistakes happen, they need to be discussed openly and honestly and learned from, but you can never say there will be no mistakes. Mistakes are human nature.


To answer the broader question, of course doctors lie. Everybody lies. The differentiation to make is if the lie is ethical or unethical. Lying about medical advice or mistakes is obviously unethical, and should not happen and should be punished when it does. What about a patient involved in a road traffic collision, assault, shooting, or any other major trauma who was brought in and died in the ER or on the operating table from their injuries. What if the mother asks "Did they suffer?" or "Were they in pain?" I've lied in that situation several times. Is that ethical?

[Hans17]

Recently i went to the hospital to check see the doctor and i was told the doctor to attend to me will be back soon, while waiting, he came in and from the look of things he had gone to smoke, it got me thinking, can it be that they are telling us not to do this and that and if you follow them you wont eat anything because everything is bad to health, no drinking of alcohol, smoking of any kind and the list is endless, why would a doctor now turned around and go smoking?

I think it's not actually or totally lie, it's more of an advice , in the end we blame the doctors right? but see how and why ?. The only thing we can blame is our ownselves, so instead of being a stubborn childish acting child, go ahead and follow the advice.

Because for what i believe is that being doctor is hard, we should learn and somehow put our own feet on some owned shoes.

[BADecker]

Only on the job?

Only when they go to bed?

 

[duoduoshigexiaozhu]

Doctors also have the freedom to smoke. Science tells that smoking is harmful to all people, but it does not mean smoking is prohibited. Doctors usually don't lie, and no doctor wants to kill. So your logic is problematic.

[vedeloper]

Sometimes you know what is good for you, but you still do harm to yourself.

The same with doctors.

[InvoKing]

Any parent will kick the butt of his child for smoking while having a cigarette in his/her mouth.
Doctors have to tell you what is good or bad for your health but that doesn't mean that they have to do the same.
For example, a diabetic person will be asked to stop eating sugar, or a patient with a hypertension will be told to reduce the salt intake in his food. Why should healthy people or doctors follow the same advices? Most of people know that reducing sugar and salt intake is good for health but respecting it isn't obviously done by everybody.
BTW, people working in the health care sector are the worst. They don't care about their health, they take drugs without visiting (other) doctors, they are the worst patients to treat.

[Jet Cash]

Doctors don't study medicine any more, they study propaganda from the Big Pharma companies. Once you realse this, you can see that they don't lie, they are just misguided.

[BADecker]

Doctors lie to patients all the time, by not explaining how bad it is... like, you're gonna die in 6 months.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Doctors lie to patients all the time, by not explaining how bad it is... like, you're gonna die in 6 months.

Unfortunately, doctors are more and more being forced to practice what is known as "defensive medicine", because of the skyrocketing rate of patients attempting to sue doctors or bringing forward lawsuits against them. Again, as with most things wrong in medicine and healthcare, this is largely a problem in the United States.

We can never say for sure how long someone has left. We can take an educated guess based on how long other patients with similar conditions or diseases have lived for, but as every person is different, those educated guesses will never be 100% accurate. You could be suffering from a slow growing cancer that most people would live another year with, but suddenly suffer a DVT and PE and die next week.

I've seen several situations where doctors have said "You/your family member has 6 months to live", and they died within a few weeks. Lawsuit follows. Interestingly, I have also seen the opposite, with families suing when the patient lived longer than predicted. One family, thinking their grandmother had only a few weeks to live, spent a lot of money on a high quality but expensive private package of care, with round the clock carers and private nurses. Their grandmother ended up living for several months, and so their total bill from the private company was far higher than anticipated. They sued the doctor for their expenses.

If you want doctors to be more open with you as they are in most other developed countries, you need to get rid of your culture of litigation.

[cryptocontinental]

Doctors don't study medicine any more, they study propaganda from the Big Pharma companies. Once you realse this, you can see that they don't lie, they are just misguided.

Lol, can stop laughing. real propaganda from big pharma companies!

[cryptocontinental]

Doctors lie to patients all the time, by not explaining how bad it is... like, you're gonna die in 6 months.

Unfortunately, doctors are more and more being forced to practice what is known as "defensive medicine", because of the skyrocketing rate of patients attempting to sue doctors or bringing forward lawsuits against them. Again, as with most things wrong in medicine and healthcare, this is largely a problem in the United States.

We can never say for sure how long someone has left. We can take an educated guess based on how long other patients with similar conditions or diseases have lived for, but as every person is different, those educated guesses will never be 100% accurate. You could be suffering from a slow growing cancer that most people would live another year with, but suddenly suffer a DVT and PE and die next week.

I've seen several situations where doctors have said "You/your family member has 6 months to live", and they died within a few weeks. Lawsuit follows. Interestingly, I have also seen the opposite, with families suing when the patient lived longer than predicted. One family, thinking their grandmother had only a few weeks to live, spent a lot of money on a high quality but expensive private package of care, with round the clock carers and private nurses. Their grandmother ended up living for several months, and so their total bill from the private company was far higher than anticipated. They sued the doctor for their expenses.

If you want doctors to be more open with you as they are in most other developed countries, you need to get rid of your culture of litigation.

Lawsuit is only effective in a country that are civilized if i must used that word. In country like mine my sister went for test following some issues she noticed in her body. they told her she had fibroid measuring 2cm by 3cm or inches. they started loading her with fibroid treatment only to realize it was pregnancy but it was too late. she suffered loss. now went to another for check up to ensure it was properly evacuated. spent money and was told no product from the miscarriage was left. she spent much. at the end of the day when there was no longer conception for 3 years she went to yet another hospital to see reasons for the delay only to test and see that she had no fibroid no traces of fibroid but old retained product from the last miscarriage. such cause deserves suing but in a dysfunctional country as mine you will be begging for trouble.

[SilverChromia]

Definitely sometimes in my opinion that some doctors are giving an untrue statement or lie answer example of that some doctors says that we cannot eat something like this but the real thing and real answer to that is that we cannot have that kind of food too much because we all know that too much is not good in our health but some doctors saying that we cannot eat that kind of food but how we will continue to live if all kind of food is not good to our health and for me there are no foods that is not good but we cant that one food to take too much in our bodies and the real and good statement to that is to have a balance meal.