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Title: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: otrkid1970 on June 12, 2019, 08:27:53 PM
Lauda completely lied and broke your own rule for falsely flagging so you RED negged him and then remove it???


Why? This user needs to be removed from DT


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on June 12, 2019, 08:29:27 PM
This has literally nothing to do with you. You havenít been contacted by anybody about it, stay in your lane, bitch.



Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: otrkid1970 on June 12, 2019, 08:30:38 PM
This has literally nothing to do with you. You havenít been contacted by anybody about it, stay in your lane, bitch.



Stay on topic it's a valid question....Bitch


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: yahoo62278 on June 12, 2019, 08:33:43 PM
Lauda completely lied and broke your own rule for falsely flagging so you RED negged him and then remove it???


Why? This user needs to be removed from DT
Lauda was removed from DT1 according to Bpip

https://bpip.org/default.aspx



Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: theymos on June 12, 2019, 08:34:06 PM
He withdrew the accusation.

I'm still pretty annoyed about it, though. I mean, he checked a box which said:
Quote
On my honor, I affirm the following: 1) This user [Quickseller] violated a written contract [with me], resulting in damages; 2) I have not been made whole by the user; 3) no existing flag covers this same incident; 4) this incident is accurately and completely described in the above topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5152349.0); 5) the incident occurred roughly in the month given above [Sep 2015]. Furthermore, I promise to withdraw my support for this flag if this user makes me whole in the future.
Which has several blatantly-false statements.


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: Lauda on June 12, 2019, 08:35:42 PM
I had to remove mine too then:
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The introduction of the new system removed the scamming requirement from negative trust. Selectively tags people for lying depending on who the author is. Facts: Reference link - substantial long term lie, one of many by the author. Handled by theymos? Ignored. On the other hand, there is this rating on me: https://i.imgur.com/P5ESdmB.png, related to this flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=35.

He withdrew the accusation.

I'm still pretty annoyed about it, though. I mean, he checked a box which said:
Quote
On my honor, I affirm the following: 1) This user [Quickseller] violated a written contract [with me], resulting in damages; 2) I have not been made whole by the user; 3) no existing flag covers this same incident; 4) this incident is accurately and completely described in the above topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5152349.0); 5) the incident occurred roughly in the month given above [Sep 2015]. Furthermore, I promise to withdraw my support for this flag if this user makes me whole in the future.
Which has several blatantly-false statements.
Maybe you ought to slowly-introduce a system next time, i.e. first deploy the rules and then make it go in effect. Several people followed into that flag, whilst misunderstanding the implications that it has. The flag can't be deleted or changed in any way, so I had to advise people to create a flag-type-1.


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: otrkid1970 on June 12, 2019, 08:35:50 PM
He withdrew the accusation.

I'm still pretty annoyed about it, though. I mean, he checked a box which said:
Quote
On my honor, I affirm the following: 1) This user [Quickseller] violated a written contract [with me], resulting in damages; 2) I have not been made whole by the user; 3) no existing flag covers this same incident; 4) this incident is accurately and completely described in the above topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5152349.0); 5) the incident occurred roughly in the month given above [Sep 2015]. Furthermore, I promise to withdraw my support for this flag if this user makes me whole in the future.
Which has several blatantly-false statements.

Thank you for responding


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on June 12, 2019, 08:36:11 PM
Lauda completely lied and broke your own rule for falsely flagging so you RED negged him and then remove it???


Why? This user needs to be removed from DT
Lauda was removed from DT1 according to Bpip

https://bpip.org/default.aspx



Lauda wasnít removed from DT1 in the sense of actively being removed. He was rotated out due to the monthly changes, suchmoon was too.

There are only 100 DT1 members permitted per month. People who qualify will rotate in & out occasionally.


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: Quickseller on June 12, 2019, 08:39:21 PM
Lauda made an affirmation that was untrue. Why would anyone believe what Lauda says in the future if he is willing to knowingly and intentionally affirm (promise to be true) some untrue?


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: mindrust on June 12, 2019, 08:39:59 PM
Some super weird shit is happening with theymos.

He asked me to remove lauda from my trust list, and not just that, told me to distrust her. He says BSV is scam but they need to break a contract to to be able identified as a scam.

I replied to him "If it is a scam, it doesn't need a broken contract. Please start to make sense dude. I am taking lauda to my trust list now."

Did he get hacked? What the fuck is happening?

I thought trust wasn't moderated, this is some weird deep shit. I regret being a DT1 member from day one fuck this.


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: otrkid1970 on June 12, 2019, 08:40:50 PM
Lauda made an affirmation that was untrue. Why would anyone believe what Lauda says in the future if he is willing to knowingly and intentionally affirm (promise to be true) some untrue?

Lauda left retalitory feedback on theymos too and since removed it.


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: Lauda on June 12, 2019, 08:42:29 PM
Did he get hacked? What the fuck is happening?

I thought trust wasn't moderated, this is some weird deep shit. I regret being a DT1 member from day one fuck this.
I assume one of the following two:
1) There's been a legal case where theymos was silently beaten - or he is afraid of this.
2) He's gone crazy-liberal and wants to see existing scammers walk as there is no way for all current DT members to go through all ratings that were ever given out in any reasonable time.

1. Is my bet.

Maybe you ought to slowly-introduce a system next time, i.e. first deploy the rules and then make it go in effect. Several people followed into that flag, whilst misunderstanding the implications that it has. The flag can't be deleted or changed in any way, so I had to advise people to create a flag-type-1.
This was the cause of this issue. Furthermore, he should be focusing on resolving open questions while scammers are free and not on going after some Queen-cat.


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: Quickseller on June 12, 2019, 08:44:02 PM
Some super weird shit is happening with theymos.

He asked me to remove lauda from my trust list, and not just that, told me to distrust her. He says BSV is scam but they need to break a contract to to be able identified as a scam.

I replied him "If it is a scam, it doesn't need a broken contract. Please start to make sense dude. I am taking lauda to my trust list now."

Did he get hacked? What the fuck is happening?

I thought trust wasn't moderated, this is some weird deep shit. I regret being a DT1 member from day one fuck this.


You should distrust Lauda from your trust list.

Theymos probably means that BSV is ~insane from a technical standpoint, but has not caused anyone harm by existing.


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: otrkid1970 on June 12, 2019, 08:44:34 PM
Trust list

~Lauda


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on June 12, 2019, 08:46:47 PM
Trust list

~Lauda

Thatís your right. You donít really count in the voting though as youíre a noob account. Sadly for you your vote doesnít mean anything for DT1 qualification.


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: TheNewAnon135246 on June 12, 2019, 08:47:23 PM
Some super weird shit is happening with theymos.

He asked me to remove lauda from my trust list, and not just that, told me to distrust her. He says BSV is scam but they need to break a contract to to be able identified as a scam.

I replied him "If it is a scam, it doesn't need a broken contract. Please start to make sense dude. I am taking lauda to my trust list now."

Did he get hacked? What the fuck is happening?

I thought trust wasn't moderated, this is some weird deep shit. I regret being a DT1 member from day one fuck this.


You should distrust Lauda from your trust list.

Theymos probably means that BSV is ~insane from a technical standpoint, but has not caused anyone harm by existing.

His exact words were "BSV is a scammy project created by two conmen".


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: Lauda on June 12, 2019, 08:48:48 PM
Some super weird shit is happening with theymos.

He asked me to remove lauda from my trust list, and not just that, told me to distrust her. He says BSV is scam but they need to break a contract to to be able identified as a scam.

I replied him "If it is a scam, it doesn't need a broken contract. Please start to make sense dude. I am taking lauda to my trust list now."

Did he get hacked? What the fuck is happening?

I thought trust wasn't moderated, this is some weird deep shit. I regret being a DT1 member from day one fuck this.


You should distrust Lauda from your trust list.

Theymos probably means that BSV is ~insane from a technical standpoint, but has not caused anyone harm by existing.
His exact words were "BSV is a scammy project created by two conmen".
Which takes the following

Some super weird shit is happening with theymos.
to the next level. No contract = no victim = no scam. Are we turning this place into a scam utopia?


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: otrkid1970 on June 12, 2019, 08:48:56 PM
Trust list

~Lauda

Thatís your right. You donít really count in the voting though as youíre a noob account. Sadly for you your vote doesnít mean anything for DT1 qualification.

I know this account is Noob acct my legendary was hacked last year otrkid70  :(


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: Quickseller on June 12, 2019, 08:49:39 PM
Some super weird shit is happening with theymos.

He asked me to remove lauda from my trust list, and not just that, told me to distrust her. He says BSV is scam but they need to break a contract to to be able identified as a scam.

I replied him "If it is a scam, it doesn't need a broken contract. Please start to make sense dude. I am taking lauda to my trust list now."

Did he get hacked? What the fuck is happening?

I thought trust wasn't moderated, this is some weird deep shit. I regret being a DT1 member from day one fuck this.


You should distrust Lauda from your trust list.

Theymos probably means that BSV is ~insane from a technical standpoint, but has not caused anyone harm by existing.

His exact words were "BSV is a scammy project created by two conmen".
Okay. Thanks for that. This doesnít change the need to wait for the person behind the account (or business behind it), to scam to create this kind of flag.


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on June 12, 2019, 08:50:20 PM
Trust list

~Lauda

Thatís your right. You donít really count in the voting though as youíre a noob account. Sadly for you your vote doesnít mean anything for DT1 qualification.

I know this account is Noob acct my legendary was hacked last year otrkid70  :(

Sorry to hear that.


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: Bitcoin_Arena on June 12, 2019, 10:26:13 PM
I know this account is Noob acct my legendary was hacked last year otrkid70  :(
Hey mate, why just let your account go to a waste?
Why not try out the new procedure of account recoveries: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5089777.0

From what i have read, the process is now much faster if you provide enough evidence showing that you were the initial owner through an email.


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: Last of the V8s on June 12, 2019, 10:37:01 PM
theymos was this incident why you ~excluded Vod? The timing seems about right, and Vod supported this flag - at first.
Or is there some other reason?


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: Lauda on June 12, 2019, 10:38:12 PM
theymos was this incident why you ~excluded Vod? The timing seems about right, and Vod supported this flag - at first.
Or is there some other reason?
I PM'd Vod to remove his support after I had seen it/realized the flag type was wrong. I explicitly told him that theymos would exclude him, but am not sure whether this happened before or after the exclusion.


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: otrkid1970 on June 12, 2019, 10:39:09 PM
I know this account is Noob acct my legendary was hacked last year otrkid70  :(
Hey mate, why just let your account go to a waste?
Why not try out the new procedure of account recoveries: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5089777.0

From what i have read, the process is now much faster if you provide enough evidence showing that you were the initial owner through an email.

Due to the BTC Core my accounts were Corrupted and could not siign a signature from them. Believe me i would have if i could. I have been here since 2013 I miss my main account. :(


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: Bitcoin_Arena on June 12, 2019, 10:46:14 PM
Due to the BTC Core my accounts were Corrupted and could not siign a signature from them. Believe me i would have if i could. I have been here since 2013 I miss my main account. :(
Some people have actually recovered their accounts without even signing from a bitcoin address. I have seen their testimonies but problem is it's hard to get one right now. Perhaps, the recoveries team even looks at the IP pattern changes too before and after the hack happened.
Just try to send a message from the email address you registered with reasons why you may not be able to sign a message.
You never know, Luck could be on your side  ;)


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: The-One-Above-All on June 13, 2019, 01:18:03 AM
Lauda made an affirmation that was untrue. Why would anyone believe what Lauda says in the future if he is willing to knowingly and intentionally affirm (promise to be true) some untrue?

what like he has not been caught out lying and scamming before ??

how many chances does this lying scamming piece of shit get?? let's just get this dirt bag out.

We were presenting observable instances of his lying and scamming for months? how is it still permitted to be in a position of trust? this without the extortion and shady escrow business and trust abusing whistle blowers.





Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: actmyname on June 13, 2019, 01:24:56 AM
what like he has not been caught out lying and scamming before ??

how many chances does this lying scamming piece of shit get?? let's just get this dirt bag out.

We were presenting observable instances of his lying and scamming for months? how is it still permitted to be in a position of trust? this without the extortion and shady escrow business and trust abusing whistle blowers.
This is the fourth derailment within an hour. If you want to be taken seriously, I would highly advise you to keep out of closed discussions and to avoid this kind of behavior. This is why users call you a troll: because you are redirecting discussion towards something else when the topic is focused elsewhere.

Relevant ideas need not be brought up constantly for they will come naturally.
Good ideas need not be brought up constantly since they can stand on their own.

By repeatedly stating the same things, you are giving off the appearance of a rambling theorist, regardless of the soundness of your ideas.
Let us remember lauda that you are a scammer? so those you brand scammers are likely NOT scammers are they? I mean who trusts the word of a proven scammer and liar??
Well it could have something to do you with you being a proven scammer yourself? or a probable extortionist or a shady escrow? or using red trust to silence whistle blowing??  or saying fuck off you will not work within the new fair and transparent rules that ensure everyone is protected from scamming trash like you?

Pharmacist has been distancing himself from your abuse for a while.
can we see the victims that we scammed we notice you and your pal hhampuz and some noob dreg have given us a shiny new flag.

be great when you are all blacklisted.


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: The-One-Above-All on June 13, 2019, 01:57:34 AM
what like he has not been caught out lying and scamming before ??

how many chances does this lying scamming piece of shit get?? let's just get this dirt bag out.

We were presenting observable instances of his lying and scamming for months? how is it still permitted to be in a position of trust? this without the extortion and shady escrow business and trust abusing whistle blowers.
This is the fourth derailment within an hour. If you want to be taken seriously, I would highly advise you to keep out of closed discussions and to avoid this kind of behavior. This is why users call you a troll: because you are redirecting discussion towards something else when the topic is focused elsewhere.

Relevant ideas need not be brought up constantly for they will come naturally.
Good ideas need not be brought up constantly since they can stand on their own.

By repeatedly stating the same things, you are giving off the appearance of a rambling theorist, regardless of the soundness of your ideas.
Let us remember lauda that you are a scammer? so those you brand scammers are likely NOT scammers are they? I mean who trusts the word of a proven scammer and liar??
Well it could have something to do you with you being a proven scammer yourself? or a probable extortionist or a shady escrow? or using red trust to silence whistle blowing??  or saying fuck off you will not work within the new fair and transparent rules that ensure everyone is protected from scamming trash like you?

Pharmacist has been distancing himself from your abuse for a while.
can we see the victims that we scammed we notice you and your pal hhampuz and some noob dreg have given us a shiny new flag.

be great when you are all blacklisted.

Please detail how the post is a derailment from the intial post? we honestly do not at all get your meaning.

You need to understand we believe that not all readers view all threads. A reader should be furnished with the full and optimal information in order to reach the optimal level of understanding and form the optimal opinion?

Each thread needs to stand on its own.

Why is he not black listed? lauda said HE WILL NOT work within the rules. He lied on the flag form and QS asked after this why should anyone believe what he says. We are furnishing the reader with futher vital and important information that lauda did NOT ONLY lie there but there are other more serious observable instances of his lying. This should warn the reader that if he will not only lie to abuse trust but will lie for his own direct financial gain then ......

We do not feel it is fair to the readers of this thread (only) to be deprived of such on topic and relevant information. Why take leave it to chance someone else will assist the reader if we can do it our selves.

Why not provide the reader with the best chance of reaching the optimal level of understanding? it seems both lazy and inconsiderate.

To even suggest this is related to trolling seems very strange. 

I mean what is laudas story here to avoid blacklisting

1. he claimed he will not work within the rules and will do what he wants and likely get blacklisted (this is what he said) THE MOST LIKELY
2. he lied on the flag submission form  RELATED TO 1
3. he didn't lie but didn't understand the submission form ? SEEMS LESS LIKELY

or now are we saying on bitcointalk permitted flow is nothing to do with the initial post you just follow the last post? seems the rules on permitted flow need some guidelines. We have had posts deleted on the basis they are not specifically related to the initial post??





Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: actmyname on June 13, 2019, 02:24:11 AM
Please detail how the post is a derailment from the intial post? we honestly do not at all get your meaning.
Insults, ad-hominem attacks. Let's do away with that, first and foremost.

You need to understand we believe that not all readers view all threads. A reader should be furnished with the full and optimal information in order to reach the optimal level of understanding and form the optimal opinion?
True. But a reader doesn't need to see the same kind of reply four times.

Each thread needs to stand on its own.
And each thread is catered to a specific discussion, which does not need to be bloated with excess information. A simple link suffices, if you have to.

To even suggest this is related to trolling seems very strange.
I'm not saying you're trolling. I'm merely suggesting that your behavior is what causes others to dismiss you as a troll.


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: The-One-Above-All on June 13, 2019, 02:44:53 AM
Please detail how the post is a derailment from the intial post? we honestly do not at all get your meaning.
Insults, ad-hominem attacks. Let's do away with that, first and foremost.

You need to understand we believe that not all readers view all threads. A reader should be furnished with the full and optimal information in order to reach the optimal level of understanding and form the optimal opinion?
True. But a reader doesn't need to see the same kind of reply four times.

Each thread needs to stand on its own.
And each thread is catered to a specific discussion, which does not need to be bloated with excess information. A simple link suffices, if you have to.

To even suggest this is related to trolling seems very strange.
I'm not saying you're trolling. I'm merely suggesting that your behavior is what causes others to dismiss you as a troll.

Point 1 = true but after a period of abuse at the hands of proven scammers it has a cathartic property that is hard to resist. Some times although unpleasant calling a proven scammer a scamming piece of shit is so much more satisfying. Agreed though it reduces a persons credibility even if it should not. Although once we enjoyed a thread you made in the political section where you were advocating not mincing words or ....hhhmm it escapes me now but it was that using tactful non aggressive sounding words to deliver aggressive messages was kind of a form of dishonesty. Excuse me if I just butchered what you were saying there previously.

Point 2 = only true if you can be sure they read all 4 threads though so kind of untrue

Point 3 =  we do our best not to bloat but our style of writing is ??? not concise ??

Point 4  = That is their excuse to avoid tackling the content of the post. We ask them to present the example of trolling no person has ever presented anything. Demonstrating they KNOW it is not trolling.

So you agree it is not derailing? or you still say the permitted flow should follow the last post not the initial post? we feel permitted flow should have a strict guide so there can be a sensible format that ensure optimal information is presented to the reader. We have come to agree it should be related at least in part to the initial post even if you are responding to a direct false accusation.

Anyway to bring this post on topic and relevant we believe our post is in the readers best interest because it furnished the reader with additional information regarding laudas previous lying and scamming that on its own should be enough to ensure he is blacklisted. No person that has been proven a scammer has a place on any trust system. That is without all the other dirt one can observe and is verifiable.

The blacklisting should have been the simple way forward. No nice gradual exclusion next month. Just boom -- scammer out now. Scammer saying to theymos fuck off I make my own rules here --- of course out now.  That is our opinion.



Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: JaredKaragen on June 13, 2019, 03:09:43 AM
*snip*

After reading this, and the other SM/QS/TEC/Lauda threads for good entertainment and some drama;

you sir; are definitely blocked from hereon out.

Such disgusting vocabulary and sentence structure.... I just can't anymore...  

Ill have to make due with the quotes of your illogical and emotional mutterings as i'm forced to see them while scrolling through threads.



To all the affected parties who have been discussing this:  I feel your pain;  from both sides of the spectrum.

I hope you guys can find a way to sort this out and be more productive towards/with each other soon.


My only random comment:  People with power don't always know they are abusing it; but many do.  Please try and curb the idiocracy be amicable....   I have had good dealings with most of you in the past... and hate seeing people needlessly flogging dead horses.

FYI: one one-above-all-god-complex-dude:  I can't see your reply.

*edit* LOL.... taking bets on if his reply below was directed at me xD


Title: Re: theymos why remove the red tag from Lauda?
Post by: The-One-Above-All on June 13, 2019, 03:17:20 AM
*snip*

After reading this, and the other SM/QS/TEC/Lauda threads for good entertainment and some drama;

you sir; are definitely blocked from hereon out.

Such disgusting vocabulary and sentence structure.... I just can't anymore...  

Ill have to make due with the quotes of your illogical and emotional mutterings as i'm forced to see them while scrolling through threads.



To all the affected parties who have been discussing this:  I feel your pain;  from both sides of the spectrum.

I hope you guys can find a way to sort this out and be more productive towards/with each other soon.


My only random comment:  People with power don't always know they are abusing it; but many do.  Please try and curb the idiocracy be amicable....   I have had good dealings with most of you in the past... and hate seeing people needlessly flogging dead horses.

FYI: one one-above-all-god-complex-dude:  I can't see your reply.

"Ill have to make due " is this post from 1640? or are you ill?

Perhaps you mean: I'll have to make do ?

Sorry we have not time to tidy up our posts. We at times post 1000's of words per hour. We hammer it out and done. Read it dirty and still educate yourself for free. Stop complaining grammar nazi.

Can you present the specific examples of the illogical claims we have made ? We guarantee you will present nothing that stands up to scrutiny . Another snipe and hide coward. Please someone quote this so the fool can have an opportunity not to look like such a coward. We love making new friends.

If you or anyone can present a strong refutation to any of our points then present it. Don't hide behind....its all so illogical, its trolling, its poor grammar. That is a cowards way.