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Title: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: Timelord2067 on June 24, 2019, 09:27:14 AM I am creating a Red Flag (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=277) against Lutpin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=520313;dt) today after having tried without success for the last few weeks to have Lutpin hand over the donation funds for the Known Alts thread that have been donated to the wallet address 1KnownF41AXkhgry3wNTHJ7NZM6jo1Kohy (https://blockchain.info/address/1KnownF41AXkhgry3wNTHJ7NZM6jo1Kohy) which at the time of writing this has a balance of 0.017975 BTC.
The Known Alts thread has had three incarnations: Mk I - 65 pages, 1,287 posts Mk II - 73 pages, 1,441 posts Mk III - 79 pages, 1,575 posts (and counting) with less than 24 hours between the first and second and then less than 24 hours between the second and third thread's creation. Lutpin claims both the Lauda created thread and the thread I started are not the same as the first thread created by mexxer-2 as a primary reason for not handing over the donation funds. @mexxer-2 created the first thread and locked it abruptly, @Lauda created the second thread and locked it abruptly so I created a third thread - but as yet see no need to lock it. At some early stage after when mexxer-2 created the first thread the aforementioned wallet address 1KnownF41AXkhgry3wNTHJ7NZM6jo1Kohy was created for donations. Lutpin was the person holding the funds. Two separate payouts occurred with one payout (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/700f1549741197e996c4785d20ab53960d817f35569160807f8700aecb55fff4) being mostly to Lutpin himself and the second payout (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/6ba9fcbdd1e74a0ffcf6fce3a6bc60b3c94f5a170fc10c7e67e84b3f40bce4a7) was to an unspecified wallet address with no explanation forthcoming. At the start of May 2019 I created two wallet addresses (https://web.archive.org/web/20190624082441/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg50887271) for donations to be made after a brief discussion amongst the active contributors where it was agreed I would hold onto donated funds. ON the 13th of May I put out an appeal (https://web.archive.org/web/20190624082505/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg51023358) to whomever held onto the original donation funds to transfer them to the new wallet address signing a message. 02 June 2019, 11:09:47 I sent Lutpin a PM requesting the funds be sent over. Quote from: Timelord2067 link=action=profile;u=131361 date=1559437787 Greetings from Australia. In this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg51023358#msg51023358) [Archive (https://web.archive.org/web/20190602010217/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg51023358)] I posted the wallet address 1KnownXXXNtrjT539vAWckYqWi77jgUXs6 that I will manage after it was agreed that I could manage the donations to the Known Alts of any-one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.0) thread. In this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206112.0) [Archive (https://web.archive.org/web/20190602010537/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206112.0)] maxxer-2 states that you manage that wallet address, so could you please forward the entire funds from 1KnownF41AXkhgry3wNTHJ7NZM6jo1Kohy to 1KnownXXXNtrjT539vAWckYqWi77jgUXs6 at your earliest convenience please? I couldn't help but notice this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=341982): https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blobf752a67fb4ee75ec.jpeg will that cause an issue with the funds being sent? Regards, But received no reply. On the 6th of June 2019 I asked if anyone was in contact with Lutpin (https://web.archive.org/web/20190624082737/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg51361944) who holds onto the donation funds. Joel_Jensen offered to send a message (https://web.archive.org/web/20190624082758/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg51362636), however, no message in reply by Lutpin. On the 17 June 2019, 14:35:35 I posted in the known Alts thread (https://web.archive.org/web/20190624082813/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg51495196) that I had tried contacting Lutpin and I noted that he had been online multiple times after my initial PM to him. Both in a PM the next day and in the Known Alts thread Lutpin has claimed the Mk II and III threads are not the same as the Mk I thread but won't elaborate. Lutpin also states the funds are his to do with as he sees fit (https://web.archive.org/web/20190624082945/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg51504415). Given Lutpin is in dispute with mexxer-2 over money owed by mexxer-2 to Lutpin I asked how the two could discuss the funds being distributed, but got no reply. Lutpin in two separate PM's has made veiled threats about what kind of retaliation he will take should I proceed to give him a Red Flag (type 3) as well as again dangling the promise of paying me "As a sign of good will" [7 (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-01-25_Fri_22.33h/520313.html)], [8 (http://loyce.club/trust/2019-06-22_Sat_05.50h/520313.html)] from the Known Alts "donation funds as a recognition of your valued contributions". Lutpin doesn't want to discuss the donation funds for the thread that was closed two and a half years ago, nore does he want to hand over the funds to anyone else. ON the 18th I posted a lengthy breakdown (https://web.archive.org/web/20190624082958/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg51506691) of the events that have transpired in the Known Alts thread and it was another three days later that Lutpin finally responded. [quote author=Lutpin link=topic=2544574.msg51543085#msg51543085 date=1561085120] [quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg51538902#msg51538902 date=1561052221] he has no intention of responding to the request [/quote] I did so in my previous post, I told you I won't hand over the funds. [quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg51538902#msg51538902 date=1561052221] he has no intention of justifying his actions. [/quote] My previous post has a lengthy explanation of my decision. You might not like it, you might disagree, but it's there. [quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg51538902#msg51538902 date=1561052221] At that time I'll have to step up my depute if no response occurs. [/quote] Do whatever you think is necessary. Just keep in mind that you're not in the right here, and any action you take might amount to a violation, eg if you attempt to start a flag. [/quote] Lutpin has again been online in the last three days, but has not handed over the donation funds even though he admits I am an intended recipient and the consensus of the current contributors is that I be tasked with holding donation funds. Because I am an intended recipient and on behalf of the other contributors I am left with no choice but to create this Red Flag Type 3. [quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg51506691#msg51506691 date=1560831926] So Lutpin, please forward the remaining 0.017975 BTC (less *appropriate* transaction fees) from the wallet address 1KnownF41AXkhgry3wNTHJ7NZM6jo1Kohy (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1KnownF41AXkhgry3wNTHJ7NZM6jo1Kohy) to the wallet address 1KnownXXXNtrjT539vAWckYqWi77jgUXs6 (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1KnownXXXNtrjT539vAWckYqWi77jgUXs6) [Signed (https://web.archive.org/web/20190618043411/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg51023358)] as previously requested. [/quote] [Archive (https://web.archive.org/web/20190624092758/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157840.0)] [quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg25949100#msg25949100 date=1512704962] The following is a "live" balance: http://btc-priceimg.herokuapp.com/balance/1KnownF41AXkhgry3wNTHJ7NZM6jo1Kohy/00f which is valued at https://youmeandbtc.com/bitcoin-converter-php.php?dir=frombtc&val=0.017975&cur=usd&btctype=btc&exchange=Bitstamp&dec=8&bgc=DDEEFF&txtc=111133 (https://youmeandbtc.com/bitcoin-converter)
Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: marlboroza on June 24, 2019, 09:46:51 AM Ok, I am not supporting the flag.
The funds are from donations made for the mexxer-2 thread. That donation address has nothing to do with this thread. While this thread and Lauda's thread carry on the initial idea of the known alts of anyone list, they are different projects. The donations I hold were made during a time when mexxer-2 ran their thread and I managed most of the things for them. As the quote by marlboroza shows, we've been clear that the donations are mainly meant for those taking the time to review submissions and format them to be added to the list. It also mentions that the distribution of those funds is up to mexxers and my discretion. I hope that was clear to everyone donating. If and when they are distributed, they should go to those who have contributed back then, not be forwarded to be allocated to and by someone else. While I respect the time spent and work done here, this is not what the donations were made for. Based on that, I do not plan to send the full amount to Timelord to be held in the new donation address. I however do recognize that Timelord did actively contribute to the mexxer-2 thread and would be more than happy to forward them part of the donations for that help. If Timelord wants to send me an address to where I can do that, and then send those funds on to the new donation address, that's their decision. Also, if anybody had sent funds to the donation address I control and disagrees with my decision, they can contact me and upon verifying their donation, I will refund them, should they not be happy with my handling of it. This is misusing flagging system, you are not allowed to give red flags to users based on your wrong opinion. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: Timelord2067 on June 24, 2019, 10:11:17 AM Ok, I am not supporting the flag. This is misusing flagging system, you are not allowed to give red flags to users based on your wrong opinion. There is no "opinion" - just facts. And where am I wrong? All you have managed to do is re-confirm Lutpin is refusing to hand over the funds. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: marlboroza on June 24, 2019, 10:20:29 AM There is no "opinion" - just facts. And where am I wrong? I believe it is explained in quoted post. Donation funds are specifically for mexxer's thread. I believe they are for users who posted their findings in that thread. Lutpin told you to give him your address so he can send you your share of donations. Also, he said he will return donations to users who wants them back. So he didn't break anything here. Also, I don't see you have made contract with lutpin that these funds will be used in new thread which is "similar" but not the same community "project". All you have managed to do is re-confirm Lutpin is refusing to hand over the funds. ?I however do recognize that Timelord did actively contribute to the mexxer-2 thread and would be more than happy to forward them part of the donations for that help. If Timelord wants to send me an address to where I can do that, and then send those funds on to the new donation address, that's their decision. Also, if anybody had sent funds to the donation address I control and disagrees with my decision, they can contact me and upon verifying their donation, I will refund them, should they not be happy with my handling of it. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: HCP on June 24, 2019, 10:28:58 AM I don't quite understand why you believe that donations made to an address published in Thread A should automatically default to the person running Thread C... simply because Thread C is similar to Thread A? ??? Whilst they cover the same territory and a somewhat similar purpose... Thread A =/= Thread C. By your logic... anyone could simply create "Known Alts Mk IV" and a new donation address and demand that you forward all donations to their new donation address.
I also don't see any written contract that has been violated. Lutpin has offered to give you payment of some of those existing funds from Thread A to cover your contributions that were made to Thread A, as per the original intent of the contributions: I however do recognize that Timelord did actively contribute to the mexxer-2 thread and would be more than happy to forward them part of the donations for that help. If Timelord wants to send me an address to where I can do that, and then send those funds on to the new donation address, that's their decision. He also offered to refund any donations if any of the original contributors were not satisfied with his handling of said donations: Also, if anybody had sent funds to the donation address I control and disagrees with my decision, they can contact me and upon verifying their donation, I will refund them, should they not be happy with my handling of it. ... the consensus of the current contributors is that I be tasked with holding donation funds. Unless those current contributors were the original contributors... their opinion does not matter in this case. It's not their money.Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: LoyceV on June 24, 2019, 11:33:03 AM Lutpin claims both the Lauda created thread and the thread I started are not the same as the first thread created by mexxer-2 as a primary reason for not handing over the donation funds. I would assume donations made were meant for past contributions to the thread, not for future contributions. Based on that assumption it doesn't make sense that donations would be send to later contributions, unless the donations were made when the new threads already existed.This is misusing flagging system, you are not allowed to give red flags to users based on your wrong opinion. If anything, I'd say type 2 would be more appropriate, as it's at best implied who should benefit from the donations. But I don't think this deserves a flag.Donation funds are specifically for mexxer's thread. I believe they are for users who posted their findings in that thread. Considering it's been a few years, it would make sense to fully distribute the donations, or return them. There's not really a point in keeping them for more years to come.Lutpin told you to give him your address so he can send you your share of donations. Also, he said he will return donations to users who wants them back. So he didn't break anything here. To get things started, I made a list of post count per user in the first thread. Note that this should at best be used as a first estimate to decide on how to distribute funds. The list The following users have posted x times in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206112.0 This does not mean they're all bad users. Merit is based on last Friday's data dump (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3078328.new#new). I only show Merit if there has been at least 1 transaction. If it shows 0 Merit, that means the user has sent Merit, but didn't receive anything. 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Post by: Timelord2067 on June 24, 2019, 12:45:07 PM 1. 280x (Legendary) Timelord2067 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=131361) (Trust: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=131361) +5 / =0 / -1) (231 Merit earned (history (http://loyce.club/Merit/history/131361.html))) (BPIP (https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Timelord2067)) Hey look at that - I'm in first place. Donation funds are specifically for mexxer's thread. I believe they are for users who posted their findings in that thread. Lutpin explained it differently claiming it was to compensate the administrator of the thread for their time spent maintaining the list. (which was mexxer-2 who owes him money) Lutpin then deflected by not answering why he gifted himself the major portion of the funds. @HCP If another thread was started and run concurrently to the Known Alts thread and calling itself the Known Alts thread it would then be a case of which Known Alts thread was the *real* Known Alts thread. There is no other thread. The Mk III follows on from the Mk II which follows on from the Mk I. Were I to close the thread, then naturally I would be asking how the funds should be distributed. QED. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: Quickseller on June 24, 2019, 03:18:16 PM I think it was pretty clear what the intention of the donation address was for.
Being that the thread has been closed for quite some time now, it is probably best to distribute the donations as per the terms of how he said they would be distributed. At this time I am not supporting the flag. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on June 24, 2019, 05:09:56 PM Lutpin went rogue a long time ago. I was in 777Coin a while ago & I know lightlord takes a long time to refill campaign managers wallets but Lutpin was taking the piss towards the ebd.
I wasn’t DT then & I had to reach out to The Pharmacist to help everybody get paid. lightlord ended up dumping Lutpin as manager & employing Hhampuz. The Pharmacist will verify this, hilariousandco will too. At one stage we were owed 12 weeks sig campaign pay. Lutpin is absolutely NOT to be trusted, something fucked up in his life must have happened, he lost the plot & fell off the wagon. Proof of what I said in the 777Coin campaign, read from here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1545750.msg45480635#msg45480635 Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: marlboroza on June 24, 2019, 05:11:46 PM ^ how is this related to this thread?
Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on June 24, 2019, 05:14:01 PM ^ how is this related to this thread? Further evidence that he’s not to be trusted. If you don’t like my post report it. I’ve supported the flag, he is untrustworthy. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: marlboroza on June 24, 2019, 05:17:12 PM ^ how is this related to this thread? Further evidence that he’s not to be trusted. If you don’t like my post report it. I’ve supported the flag, he is untrustworthy. I like your post but that flag is definitely not for signature campaign. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on June 24, 2019, 05:20:48 PM ^ how is this related to this thread? Further evidence that he’s not to be trusted. If you don’t like my post report it. I’ve supported the flag, he is untrustworthy. I like your post but that flag is definitely not for signature campaign. I think somebody must have bought his account or it got hacked or something. Lutpin was one of the most trustworthy, likeable people here at one stage. It was like a total personality swap, he totally changed. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: suchmoon on June 24, 2019, 05:23:00 PM I’ve supported the flag, he is untrustworthy. Supporting the flag means you're agreeing with the accusation referenced by the flag, not some other accusation. You might want to create a separate flag for Lutpin's campaign payment shenanigans instead. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on June 24, 2019, 05:28:45 PM I’ve supported the flag, he is untrustworthy. Supporting the flag means you're agreeing with the accusation referenced by the flag, not some other accusation. You might want to create a separate flag for Lutpin's campaign payment shenanigans instead. I think there’s enough evidence there to support this specific flag. Maybe Lutpin can come into this thread & explain why he won’t distribute those funds. Until then I’ll leave my support for this flag. The OP gives damning evidence imo. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: marlboroza on June 24, 2019, 05:28:51 PM ^ how is this related to this thread? Further evidence that he’s not to be trusted. If you don’t like my post report it. I’ve supported the flag, he is untrustworthy. I like your post but that flag is definitely not for signature campaign. I think somebody must have bought his account or it got hacked or something. Lutpin was one of the most trustworthy, likeable people here at one stage. It was like a total personality swap, he totally changed. Timelord confirmed this: Quote User: Lutpin You must create a topic describing the specific acts which damaged you. It must not be self-moderated. Year and month when the damaging act occurred. On my honor, I affirm the following: 1) This user violated a written contract, resulting in damages; 2) I have not been made whole by the user; 3) no existing flag covers this same incident; 4) this incident is accurately and completely described in the above topic; 5) the incident occurred roughly in the month given above. Furthermore, I promise to withdraw my support for this flag if this user makes me whole in the future. Lutpin said to Timelord that he will send them their share which timelord refused IIRC and created tag type 3. Timelord wasn't in signature campaign, even if was, money was sent to participants so no one really can create flag 2/3 for signature campaign. Also, no one can create flag type 2 or 3 if lutpin's account was sold or hacked. I didn't make these rules, I am just pointing that flags type 2 or 3 can't be supported based on opinion and flags for 1 thing can't be supported because user did something different, in this case, you can't support flag because lutpin didn't send money for signature campaign. No hard feelings, it is just my observation about new system. I think there’s enough evidence there to support this specific flag. Maybe Lutpin can come into this thread & explain why he won’t distribute those funds. He literally said he will ??? ???Here, in specific case: Quote If and when they are distributed, they should go to those who have contributed back then, not be forwarded to be allocated to and by someone else. While I respect the time spent and work done here, this is not what the donations were made for. Based on that, I do not plan to send the full amount to Timelord to be held in the new donation address. I however do recognize that Timelord did actively contribute to the mexxer-2 thread and would be more than happy to forward them part of the donations for that help. If Timelord wants to send me an address to where I can do that, and then send those funds on to the new donation address, that's their decision. Also, if anybody had sent funds to the donation address I control and disagrees with my decision, they can contact me and upon verifying their donation, I will refund them, should they not be happy with my handling of it. And Timelord said: As to the remaining donation funds, I actually don't want any Sorry for editing post few times. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on June 24, 2019, 05:38:18 PM Lutpin went rogue a long time ago.<snip> What you wrote is true, but after reading this thread I've got way more information than I had before about the donations and such. I wasn't even aware there were any before Timelord2067's accusation. If he distributes them now, all would be well, right? If they were for a thread that's locked or inactive and not the new thread(s), why is anyone holding anything at this point?I'm not supporting this flag right now. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on June 24, 2019, 05:38:57 PM Thank you marlboroza, I’ve removed my support for the moment.
@Timelord - Why did you refuse to give Lutpin an address for your share to be sent to? Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: LoyceV on June 24, 2019, 05:49:37 PM As to the remaining donation funds, I actually don't want any Update: What suchmoon says in the next post makes sense :) Although it still doesn't make Timelord2067 a victim. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: suchmoon on June 24, 2019, 06:02:34 PM As to the remaining donation funds, I actually don't want any He may have meant that he doesn't want the personal payment that was offered but still wants Lutpin to hand over the donations to the current thread. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: Quickseller on June 24, 2019, 06:18:38 PM As to the remaining donation funds, I actually don't want any Update: What suchmoon says in the next post makes sense :) Although it still doesn't make make Timelord2067 a victim. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: marlboroza on June 24, 2019, 06:20:28 PM Update: What suchmoon says in the next post makes sense :) Although it still doesn't make make Timelord2067 a victim. Yes but:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206112.0 Quote Donations: Maintaining this thread takes up some time, validating all submissions and keeping everything up to date. If this thread helped you or you want to send a little tip for another reason, the address for donations is: 1KnownF41AXkhgry3wNTHJ7NZM6jo1Kohy Donations are managed an distributed by Lutpin, in coordiation with mexxer-2. It is clearly written that funds are for mexxer's thread. Thread is locked so it would be fair to distribute donations to contributors who contributed in that thread, not to send funds for new thread. Perhaps donators and other contributors from mexxer's thread can say a word or two, me, as contributor to threads started by lauda and timelord don't agree with this. I don't feel like I should get part of donations for thread I have never ever contributed. Question is, how these funds should be shared? Equally to every contributor or shares based on contribution? I can't find this in mexxer's thread. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: LoyceV on June 24, 2019, 06:31:32 PM Question is, how these funds should be shared? Equally to every contributor or shares based on contribution? I can't find this in mexxer's thread. From your own quote, that's up to "Lutpin, in coordiation with mexxer-2". Checking 1000+ posts will be a lot of work. I was surprised to see I made 14 posts in that thread (as it was my early days on this forum), but I don't need anything. I guess that goes for more users, and some are banned. This just looks like a loose end that should have been tied up years ago.As a suggestion that's not much work: pick 10-20 random numbers from 1-1287, use that as the post number, and whoever posted that gets a share (if and only if their post contributed anything and they didn't get banned). Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: Joel_Jantsen on June 24, 2019, 06:42:54 PM Perhaps donators and other contributors from mexxer's thread can say a word or two, me, as contributor to threads started by lauda and timelord don't agree with this. I don't feel like I should get part of donations for thread I have never ever contributed. I was one of the top contributors in the old thread. If you check the 'Level of awesomeness', I'm at rank 3 after Lutpin & Timelord. To start with, I don't support this Flag, neither it is an appropriate flag type as far as TL's issues are concerned. Lutpin isn't the type of member who'd argue over holding 0.017975 BTC. The entire point of creating the Known Alt.. thread was to contribute constructively to the forum and of course, find alt accounts. Donations were introduced later and IIRC, I got paid once. No one did it just for the heck of donations. As long as the funds are concerned, I don't really believe in dragging conversations over a few pennies especially when a reputed member like Lutpin is involved.@TL: I understand you want those funds to be distributed to the contributors (including yourself) but taking the amount and the people involved into consideration, I'd say keep the thread for an open-ended conversation without an accusation. Question is, how these funds should be shared? Equally to every contributor or shares based on contribution? I can't find this in mexxer's thread. 'Level of awesomeness' was the measure introduced by Mexx so that will be it I guess...Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: minifrij on June 24, 2019, 08:50:59 PM 'Hello, I want money for creating a thread somewhat similar to one created 4 years prior that received donations. There was no written agreement that I would get those donations, but because the previous two threads were locked I de facto should receive them.
Unfortunately, the person who held the funds for the first thread won't hand them over. Even though it was clearly stated on the thread that he has control over the donations and can distribute them at his will, and everyone donating agreed to those terms intrinsically, I believe he is a scammer for not distributing them how I want him to.' Opposed. Get real. I think somebody must have bought his account or it got hacked or something. Neither of these things have happened.Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: Timelord2067 on June 24, 2019, 10:56:53 PM [quote author=Quickseller link=topic=5157840.msg51585799#msg51585799 date=1561389496]
I think it was pretty clear what the intention of the donation address was for. Being that the thread has been closed for quite some time now, it is probably best to distribute the donations as per the terms of how he said they would be distributed. At this time I am not supporting the flag. [/quote] Lutpin has given two differing versions of how he would distribute the funds, one that it is for administering the thread list, the other for who contributed the most. As @LoyceV's list shows the tally is not matching the OP of the Mk I thread. In any case I have previously stated: [quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg50887271#msg50887271 date=1556933804] *IF* people were ok with me holding any donation funds I have an idea of using said funds to bid on a slot in the semi weekly advertising spot below the first post on a page to advertise the Known Alt thread to a wider audience. I don't feel giving pennies to a couple of dozen people, or proportionally a dollar to one person and nickels and dimes to a handful of others based on the number of posts is the way to go. [/quote] and I also said: [quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg51506691#msg51506691 date=1560831926] (snip) As to the remaining donation funds, I actually don't want any; I've said as much a few pages back. But, I'd appreciate it if Lutpin could delve into the logic mexxer-2 and he used to arrive at their determination who got how much? So, let's start with an easy question: As I am listed as in second place on mexxer-2's list, how come identical funds were distributed to me and presumably Joel_Jantsen, whywefight and mexxer-2? You state the donations are for taking the time to review, but it looks like you based the payment on yourself being out in front... ::) My follow up question concerning mexxer-2 is if he's owed you money for at least two years, https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/17/blob6443f8124c23a6a4.jpeg How are you planing to have a discussion with mexxer-2 about how to distribute the remaining funds? Are you also planing on creating a Flag to recover the funds mexxer-2 owes you? (snip) [/quote] See also: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206112.msg13920280#msg13920280 post by Lutpin. Quote Quote Quote from: xavTrot6 on 18 February 2016, 08:35:29 There's no minimum.What would the minimum donation be? Because you divide it? I discuss with mexxer and then distribute donations if either the amount gets too big or the coins idle for too long. But we can also wait for several donations to amass, if all of them are smaller ones, before doing so. [quote author=marlboroza link=topic=5157840.msg51587325#msg51587325 date=1561397331] Lutpin said to Timelord that he will send them their share [/quote] Wrong. I have provided Lutpin with a wallet address which he used in this TX (https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/700f1549741197e996c4785d20ab53960d817f35569160807f8700aecb55fff4). There are also the two Known Alt donation addresses as well as my signed wallet address (http://tinyurl.com/WalletVerified) in my signature and my donation address (https://blockchain.info/address/1GaLLifreynEg6456XqDKYJYyBmyY2cJbw) in my signature also. Are you sure you're reading my posts? Quote Also, no one can create flag type 2 or 3 if lutpin's account was sold or hacked. Please show me where it has been established Lutpin's account has been hacked? (more than two years ago ?? I'm sure someone would have noticed by now) [quote author=The Pharmacist link=topic=5157840.msg51587411#msg51587411 date=1561397898] [quote author=LFC_Bitcoin link=topic=5157840.msg51587110#msg51587110 date=1561396196] Lutpin went rogue a long time ago.<snip> [/quote]What you wrote is true, but after reading this thread I've got way more information than I had before about the donations and such. I wasn't even aware there were any before Timelord2067's accusation. If he distributes them now, all would be well, right? If they were for a thread that's locked or inactive and not the new thread(s), why is anyone holding anything at this point? I'm not supporting this flag right now. [/quote] Thank you for your post. Naturally I would not have started a thread if Lutpin had simply distributed the donation funds, however his last post in the know alts thread was: [quote author=Lutpin link=topic=2544574.msg51543085#msg51543085 date=1561085120] [quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg51538902#msg51538902 date=1561052221] he has no intention of responding to the request [/quote] I did so in my previous post, I told you I won't hand over the funds. [quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg51538902#msg51538902 date=1561052221] he has no intention of justifying his actions. [/quote] My previous post has a lengthy explanation of my decision. You might not like it, you might disagree, but it's there. [quote author=Timelord2067 link=topic=2544574.msg51538902#msg51538902 date=1561052221] At that time I'll have to step up my depute if no response occurs. [/quote] Do whatever you think is necessary. Just keep in mind that you're not in the right here, and any action you take might amount to a violation, eg if you attempt to start a flag. [/quote] There's nothing about asking for time to work out who to give the funds to, nore why two and a half years after the first thread was suddenly locked he is still holding onto the donation funds. Am still working my way through the various posts and replys, but here's a question before I forget to post it elsewhere: How does @Lutpin propose refunding a donation that was made either through a coin mixer, or, a lightning coin swap service? I'm pretty sure there's one of each... ::) (or from say Cryptopia or any other exchange that has folded for that matter?) [quote author=LFC_Bitcoin link=topic=5157840.msg51587417#msg51587417 date=1561397937] Thank you marlboroza, I’ve removed my support for the moment. @Timelord - Why did you refuse to give Lutpin an address for your share to be sent to? [/quote] I didn't - it's FUD by @Marlboroza - notice he doesn't cite a reference? He only uses the tried and trusted "IIRC" [quote author=marlboroza link=topic=5157840.msg51587325#msg51587325 date=1561397331] Lutpin said to Timelord that he will send them their share which timelord refused IIRC and created tag type 3. Sorry for editing post few times. [/quote] Unless he's removed that comment by the time you go back and review it. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: Hhampuz on June 24, 2019, 11:28:58 PM I like your work Timelord, I also like Lutpin a lot.
Would it make any difference if you setup a new donation address for MKIII and I donate 0.017975 BTC? Just to lay this flag, thread, detrimental thread to rest? Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: marlboroza on June 25, 2019, 12:20:39 AM Quote Please show me where it has been established Lutpin's account has been hacked? (more than two years ago ?? I'm sure someone would have noticed by now) Taking things out of context usually results in questions like this one ^^ Thank you marlboroza, I’ve removed my support for the moment. @Timelord - Why did you refuse to give Lutpin an address for your share to be sent to? I didn't - it's FUD by @Marlboroza - notice he doesn't cite a reference? He only uses the tried and trusted "IIRC" Lutpin said to Timelord that he will send them their share which timelord refused IIRC and created tag type 3. Sorry for editing post few times. Unless he's removed that comment by the time you go back and review it. Quote notice he doesn't cite a reference? He only uses the tried and trusted "IIRC" IIRC I literally quoted your words at the bottom of that post. You didn't read whole post? Well, that's not my problem. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: Timelord2067 on June 25, 2019, 12:27:43 AM I like your work Timelord, I also like Lutpin a lot. Would it make any difference if you setup a new donation address for MKIII and I donate 0.017975 BTC? Just to lay this flag, thread, detrimental thread to rest? I'm trying to choose my words carefully here. I appreciate your offer, it's not the outcome I wanted in so far as who handed over the donated funds. However, it then becomes an issue between you and Lutpin (or not as you choose) to recover the donated funds that he is holding. I created two donation addresses 1KNoWNMK34nGWz2sJy1JzihZdLCGTKcziw and 1KnownXXXNtrjT539vAWckYqWi77jgUXs6 that I've previously posted, are you meaning that you want a third wallet address? Would you want those funds to be held in that wallet address until such time as the members of the known alts thread ask that they be distributed, or, would you be ok with them being moved sideways into one of the two wallet addresses stated just above. (I only ask so that I can organise a wallet address according to your wishes.) I'll hold off responding any further to the previous posts until you've had a chance to respond. For the record, I believe Lutpin is holding the donation funds against money he is owed by mexxer-2 and that any notion that Lutpin makes that he and mexxer-2 are going to sit down and discuss the distribution of donation funds is simply lip service by Lutpin in the hope that I will go away. I'm going to be away for almost three days, but will try to look in while I'm on the road. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: Hhampuz on June 25, 2019, 12:31:38 AM I'm trying to choose my words carefully here. I appreciate your offer, it's not the outcome I wanted in so far as who handed over the donated funds. However, it then becomes an issue between you and Lutpin (or not as you choose) to recover the donated funds that he is holding. I created two donation addresses 1KNoWNMK34nGWz2sJy1JzihZdLCGTKcziw and 1KnownXXXNtrjT539vAWckYqWi77jgUXs6 that I've previously posted, are you meaning that you want a third wallet address? Would you want those funds to be held in that wallet address until such time as the members of the known alts thread ask that they be distributed, or, would you be ok with them being moved sideways into one of the two wallet addresses stated just above. (I only ask so that I can organise a wallet address according to your wishes.) I'll hold off responding any further to the previous posts until you've had a chance to respond. You can do with it as you please as long as it keeps the known alts of anyone running. I can give the donation to either address you'd prefer and then I'll trust your judgement to do what's best for the longevity of the thread. Only thing I'd like in exchange is for this thread to be locked and no further mention of lutpin owing anything and no flags regarding this matter to ever come up. If you'd be cool with that, I'm happy and everyone can just keep doing what they are good at :). Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: Timelord2067 on June 25, 2019, 12:37:37 AM You can do with it as you please as long as it keeps the known alts of anyone running. I can give the donation to either address you'd prefer and then I'll trust your judgement to do what's best for the longevity of the thread. Only thing I'd like in exchange is for this thread to be locked and no further mention of lutpin owing anything and no flags regarding this matter to ever come up. If you'd be cool with that, I'm happy and everyone can just keep doing what they are good at :). I've just PM'ed you. Title: Re: [Flag] Lutpin - Known Alt Donation funds. Post by: Timelord2067 on June 25, 2019, 02:13:05 AM Code: -----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- Further reading here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5158127.0 *edit* June 29th 2019 Four of my posts in this thread have been deleted by "mods" in this case Cyrus (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78147) giving a distorted slant to this thread. You can read the full archive of this thread (including my four deleted posts here: https://web.archive.org/web/20190625021522/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5157840.0;all |
