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Title: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mikeywith on September 06, 2019, 02:33:13 AM
On their twitter account, just 10 minutes ago, Bitmain announced yet another "improved" gear with 64th and about 2880w, that is 45w per tera hash, which is almost exactly the same as the S17 pro running on Turbo mode, it seems like they added more chips and gave it a different name, but we can only be sure after they do release it, the Low power mode on this thing might be more efficient than the S17pro which is 36w per TH.

https://i.imgur.com/M9KqN4N.png (https://i.imgur.com/M9KqN4N.png)

source: https://twitter.com/Antminer_main/status/1169796461686427648


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 06, 2019, 04:55:01 AM
Good glad I waited a bit to order.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: taserz on September 06, 2019, 06:49:33 AM
Good glad I waited a bit to order.

Yeah I got my m20s coming but new bitmain would do something like this.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mochaaa on September 06, 2019, 09:21:08 AM
whats price estimates? 3.5k?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: wndsnb on September 06, 2019, 12:40:02 PM
My guess would  be $3650 based off the price of the S17 53TH and 1 month earlier delivery. Looks like we'll find out on Monday.

https://blog.bitmain.com/en/bitmain-expands-in-demand-antminer-17-series-with-two-new-miners-reveals-specifications-and-selling-times/


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 06, 2019, 02:43:46 PM
My guess would  be $3650 based off the price of the S17 53TH and 1 month earlier delivery. Looks like we'll find out on Monday.

https://blog.bitmain.com/en/bitmain-expands-in-demand-antminer-17-series-with-two-new-miners-reveals-specifications-and-selling-times/

Well coins are edging close to 11,000.  If we get a coin push to 11 or 12 over the weekend I could see them wanting close to 4000.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mochaaa on September 07, 2019, 03:50:27 AM
gunna be rough with trump tax


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Undifficulty on September 07, 2019, 04:45:37 PM
I think over $3k would be too high considering the M20S are under $3k at a slightly higher hash rate.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mikeywith on September 07, 2019, 06:10:06 PM
I think over $3k would be too high considering the M20S are under $3k at a slightly higher hash rate.

This is not how you compare gear prices, besides quality and the other obvious factors,there are two major factors you need to consider when making such a comparison.

1-Price per Terahash
2-Watts per Terahash

Now depending on a few factors , power consumption in many cases is the most important factor and based on that, and assuming the S17E does 64th at 2880w i see no reason why it shouldn't be selling for 3.5k or even 4k despite the fact that the M20s does sell for a lot cheaper, those 500w difference are worth a lot to many people , and to be honest 64th at 2880w is a freaking beast, I doubt any other company will get to that efficiency by year end.

Another reason is that to me, bitmain in the mining industry is like Apple in the mobile phone industry, they always get away with selling over priced products just because of their brand name.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mochaaa on September 07, 2019, 06:24:44 PM
looked like efficiency was the same? im thinking 30xx watts @45j/th. It helps bitmain that they are a visible company with clear (relatively) processes for their products, quality and efficiency aside.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Biodom on September 07, 2019, 10:36:41 PM
They are trying to pre-empt M20S.
Hopefully, this would mean lower prices.

I looked at the numbers and there is NO way for any of these miners to return more btc than you spent in the first 12 mo, maybe even 18 mo IF your cost is 9-11c/kwh.
They have to be robust enough to work for at least 24 mo, maybe more for you to break even in btc.
Of course, depending on bitcoin $$ price (if it would rise), you MIGHT get $$ profits sooner.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 08, 2019, 12:09:14 AM
yeah  at 68th  you earn 0.001547 btc.  or $16.25 usd.   68th at 45 watts a th = 3060 or 74 kwatts a day.

at 6 cent power that is 4.44 in power   so 16.25-4.44= 11.81 profit      after 300 days 3543 usd
at 5 cent power that is 3.70 in power   so 16.25-3.70= 12.55 profit      after 300 days 3765 usd
at 4 cent power that is 2.96 in power   so 16.25-2.96= 13.29 profit      after 300 days 3987 usd

never mind that these intentionally attack usa mining since they will all be at least 3500 + 966 = 4466 with trump tax.

So I am pretty much shut out of these again.

my 50 50 split deal means 34 th or 8.12 usd a day  so 4466/8.12 = 550 days.  very difficult  for me to want them.

I am looking for small s17 pros  like 40 th but  killer efficiency say 36 watts a th

oh well


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: xxxABJxxx on September 08, 2019, 09:02:40 AM
cryptominerbros list it for $3,199.00, but price will change after relase from Bitmain.

M20s is on sale on whatsminer.net, but only 40 USD under normal price :(.

In fact Bitmain canīt lower the price than whatsminer.

If tomorrow is a bullish mood, the price is higher than if bitcoin falls extremely low tomorrow.

I cancel my M20s order. Wait for cheap used S17 pro 50/56 TH/s.


Maybe in 2 Months you become 0,5 - 0,7 BTC for this actualy gear price.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: cbs on September 08, 2019, 01:38:34 PM
Does Bitmain usually have a minimum order quantity for first batch runs?

And still no pricing? They come out tomorrow!


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Steamtyme on September 08, 2019, 01:44:36 PM
Not that I'm aware. It's usually more an issue just trying to get an order in at a time like this. I think you have to set up notifications on their twitter to get the updates right away. I imagine pricing will go up a few hours before the sale is supposed to start.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: AlecMe on September 08, 2019, 05:40:11 PM
Was holding off from s17pro and now it seems to be worth it with this new one coming out and being delivered one month earlier than the s17pro in December; hmmm another blow to people who have preordered...

My worry is: depending on what batch you order will they increase the price?

Or will they be fair and leave all 3 batches (3 days apart) at the same price?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Undifficulty on September 08, 2019, 06:24:44 PM
This is not how you compare gear prices, besides quality and the other obvious factors,there are two major factors you need to consider when making such a comparison.

1-Price per Terahash
2-Watts per Terahash

Now depending on a few factors , power consumption in many cases is the most important factor and based on that, and assuming the S17E does 64th at 2880w i see no reason why it shouldn't be selling for 3.5k or even 4k despite the fact that the M20s does sell for a lot cheaper, those 500w difference are worth a lot to many people , and to be honest 64th at 2880w is a freaking beast, I doubt any other company will get to that efficiency by year end.

Another reason is that to me, bitmain in the mining industry is like Apple in the mobile phone industry, they always get away with selling over priced products just because of their brand name.

I think my 1 liner resonates with point #1 in your reply.  The M20S has a higher hash rate and a lower price than what we speculated the the S17E price would be.  Is 4TH/s @ ~500 watts worth it?  Probably not for most, but it also hasnít been reviewed yet either.  So there is a chance that gap can be closed a bit.

I agree with you that itís a beast with those stats.  Bitmain was able get away with top dollar because nobody was able to get close to them in terms of #1 & #2 in your post.  But I think MicroBT will be a formidable competitor and I think they have demonstrated that with the M10S & M20S.  As long as they remain competitors, we all win.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mikeywith on September 08, 2019, 11:32:38 PM
Let's try another way of doing the math

S17E > 45w/th
M20s > 48w/th

3w per TH difference, let's take a medium scale farm with say 1000th , that is 3kwh difference, say you pay 6 cents per kwh , that is  about 130$ a month or 1560$ a year ( not that big of a deal to be honest  :D)

now let's price difference, the M20s 64th sells for 3200$ in China (from resellers) with "early September shipping"  , now let's speculate on what bases would anyone want to pay more for the S17E provided it ships around the same period.

M20s > 47$ per TH
S17e > if 47$ per TH that means it will sell for 3011$ ( unlikely)

let's assume they will sell it for 3500$ , or 54$ per TH , that is 448$ more for 64 th > ((54$-47$) * 64th)  in order to save 64*3w = 192wh , or 8$ per month if you pay 6 cents per kw , so you will need 56 months to ROI the price difference ! that does not make any sense to be honest  :o

for those who pay more than just 6 cents per kw, it makes more sense to pay even more than just 3.5k , for large players 3w less per TH is a lot of money saved , if it takes 3 or 6 months to get back the price difference that should not be a problem to most people.

but let's wait and see what price will they ask for.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 09, 2019, 12:02:02 AM
Maybe bitmain is ready to do battle and price it low.  They have done this many other times.

Maybe they sell it for 2500 and undercut all the dec preorders.

They have done this in the past they would sell a shit ton of them if they did this.

If they have a lot of them in stock I think they may surprise with a lower price.

pangolin offers the m20s 68t in ten days for 3950
they offer the m20s in Jan for 2615.

if bitmain  wants to put a hurt on them and offers the s17e  for 2500 in Nov  it would basically  shut down all of pangolin's sales


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: digital$ on September 09, 2019, 01:30:11 AM
factor in difficulty adjustments and ROI window becomes even wider.  no risk on manufacturers and all on you/us as miners.  BTC halving+next gen gears soon to drive difficulty much higher...don't be suckers, prepare for the coming bloodbath!!


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: favebook on September 09, 2019, 02:11:02 AM
Maybe bitmain is ready to do battle and price it low...

I was literally thinking the same, and for some reason, I think that the price for first batch will be somewhere between 3000$-3100$ however, second and third batches in my head are between 2800$ and 2950$. But we shall see how it turns out in around 9 hours.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 09, 2019, 03:34:52 AM
what screws it all up is the tariff's though - Bitmain has told me that they can ship from Malaysia but the MOQ is way out of my price range.

I will be most likely hoping to get my hands on T15's from within the US where I dont need to run two damn lines to the PSU - another expense which forces me to either have half the miners or leaves me needing to install more outlets - with only 20 outlets currently I can handle 20 T15/S15 and only 10 T17/S17

If I can find the 15's at a decent enough price it will more than make up for the reduction in hash rate.

now someone please buy my 13 S9's for 3k a piece lol


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: taserz on September 09, 2019, 03:39:54 AM
what screws it all up is the tariff's though - Bitmain has told me that they can ship from Malaysia but the MOQ is way out of my price range.

I will be most likely hoping to get my hands on T15's from within the US where I dont need to run two damn lines to the PSU - another expense which forces me to either have half the miners or leaves me needing to install more outlets - with only 20 outlets currently I can handle 20 T15/S15 and only 10 T17/S17

If I can find the 15's at a decent enough price it will more than make up for the reduction in hash rate.

now someone please buy my 13 S9's for 3k a piece lol

Group buy! 100 units ain't that bad I'd buy 5 depending on the price.

I would say I would help organize a group buy. But I know the headache would suck and the receiving and reshipping and what not. Would have to tag $150 in machine to receive and reship them. Plus god knows the taxxes owed from the tariff.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 09, 2019, 04:35:39 AM
edit: yes a group buy to order from Malaysia would be great but yes a headache to set up and then to have someone escrow as well - Wish I had the cash to buy 100 units up front - would use 10 of em and sell the rest - would be happy to sell at cost and make break even point if i could.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: favebook on September 09, 2019, 11:06:27 AM
I wasn't too wrong about prices but I am actually pretty confused with their listings:

Quote
Antminer S17e
Shipping date: 1-10, Nov. 2019
Price:$2784.00

Antminer S17e
Shipping date: 21-31, Dec. 2019
Price:$3293.00

WHAT?!


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 09, 2019, 11:10:41 AM
well order both sort it out later  ie pay for the cheap one.

I decided to buy 2 t17e's  for 3550 with the shipping

https://btc1.trezor.io/tx/bcdda9dd2120c27e490c4c63cb9e433c791917fc10772a6fa4c06eaf627a8042

https://btc1.trezor.io/address/1Ag9YvxtYoo1D34aKm6BwTug54NJc5aWzo

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1Ag9YvxtYoo1D34aKm6BwTug54NJc5aWzo


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: favebook on September 09, 2019, 11:43:44 AM
I ordered the cheaper one(S17e) as it comes earlier... And it's cheaper ::)

I found the reason for higher price for December's unit.
It seems as they added something called: "Product Reference Price" and "Actual Transaction Price".

You can read more about it on their page: https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190909102622337qeAMQsXc06DB
in tab called "Notes".


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mochaaa on September 09, 2019, 12:12:31 PM
nailed the price w/tariff. Batch 2 looking rough though


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: PopoJeff on September 09, 2019, 12:14:23 PM
Wow.  Those sold out quick.  Should've set an alarm


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Philipma1957cellphone on September 09, 2019, 12:16:15 PM
So a new way to hurt the customer. They force a loan to them. Have to give them  credit for finding new and better ways to put it all on the buyer.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mochaaa on September 09, 2019, 12:33:21 PM
basically.. we will charge you what we think you will pay and if someone else tries to undercut (m21, etc) we will adjust price with coupons.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Philipma1957cellphone on September 09, 2019, 01:20:22 PM
Having mined with the t17 s17pro m20s m21s the two plug design is better. So I grabbed max hash by getting 2 t17e for 3550 vs 1 s17e for 2900  I rather have the 106 th hash then the 64th.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 09, 2019, 01:31:30 PM
well order both sort it out later  ie pay for the cheap one.

I decided to buy 2 t17e's  for 3550 with the shipping

https://btc1.trezor.io/tx/bcdda9dd2120c27e490c4c63cb9e433c791917fc10772a6fa4c06eaf627a8042

https://btc1.trezor.io/address/1Ag9YvxtYoo1D34aKm6BwTug54NJc5aWzo

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1Ag9YvxtYoo1D34aKm6BwTug54NJc5aWzo

nice! I am envious. I just cannot justify it with the tariff.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Philipma1957cellphone on September 09, 2019, 01:34:14 PM
nice! I am envious. I just cannot justify it with the tariff.

with this gear I am looking at 4300 for 106 th. It arrives 60-70 days.  I just paid 2600 for 50 th the t3 50 it was costly. And will take 80 days if it comes by the 15 of sept.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: octomob on September 09, 2019, 03:17:10 PM
Also ordered 6 S17e's , 6 T17e's and 6 normal T17-38's. Will be waiting  :)


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Searing on September 09, 2019, 03:28:34 PM
Well, Bitmain has its prices out now it seems.

https://shop.bitmain.com/

With what I pay with electric in the USA per kWh, even without the 27.6% tariff/import fees, not gonna fly.

Anyway, others on here may have some redress, if/when the USA Tariffs are pulled yet this fall.

Myself, still seems I'm out of mining of any note until probably well into next year, 2020.

Sucks. Them's the breaks.

Brad


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 09, 2019, 03:31:24 PM
with this gear I am looking at 4300 for 106 th. It arrives 60-70 days.  I just paid 2600 for 50 th the t3 50 it was costly. And will take 80 days if it comes by the 15 of sept.

thats right you share cost right? I am not that lucky, though you share profits too. I had to pay $330 tariffs on a 1400 machine, I cannot imagine what it would be on a $3k machine.

Also ordered 6 S17e's , 6 T17e's and 6 normal T17-38's. Will be waiting  :)

to mine with or to resell?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Searing on September 09, 2019, 03:56:26 PM
what screws it all up is the tariff's though - Bitmain has told me that they can ship from Malaysia but the MOQ is way out of my price range.

I will be most likely hoping to get my hands on T15's from within the US where I dont need to run two damn lines to the PSU - another expense which forces me to either have half the miners or leaves me needing to install more outlets - with only 20 outlets currently I can handle 20 T15/S15 and only 10 T17/S17

If I can find the 15's at a decent enough price it will more than make up for the reduction in hash rate.

now someone please buy my 13 S9's for 3k a piece lol

Malaysia from what I can tell has a VAT see below of 10%?

https://www.avalara.com/vatlive/en/country-guides/asia/malaysia.html

Then add shipping to that from both China and then from Maylasia (maybe both) also, how fast can they flip them out the door to the USA?

make sure it is not by ship! There would be at best IMHO, another 2-week lag to get them. Then of course if to the USA, shipping from the group buy USA location? (Not sure how this works).

Anyway, looks like a real mess to do and/or escrow, IMHO.

With my electric price even direct from Malaysia, it would be a heck of an optimistic stretch, but for others good luck.

Brad


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 09, 2019, 04:51:20 PM
not sure, all I know is the guy told me that they can ship from Malaysia to avoid the tariff but that it has to be a pretty large order. no onesie twosie orders.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Searing on September 09, 2019, 07:31:30 PM
I think the link above puts the VAT for Malaysia at 10%? If lucky 6%? Says something about 'sales tax' as well? No to mention who the hell is shipping this from Malaysia?

If Bitmain, that would be ideal, in that you'd only have the regular 'East Asia' to the USA shipping price. But if the first you have to ship to malaysia..then someone 'trustworthy' dorks about a week or so and then ships it so someone else 'trustworthy' for the group buy in the USA from Maylasia (2.6% import fee) and then finally after maybe another week or two lost in this shipping merry go round...it is shipped to the proper address. Man, I'd hate to escrow this puppy from either end of the chain.

Whatever I'm still out of this, but as an observer, with my 9.5c to 10c kWh electric prices. Sigh!

I'd also be in such a group buy in the onesie or twosie camp anyway :(

brad


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 09, 2019, 08:05:20 PM
yes - it was Bitmain who told me they will ship from Malaysia to US for large orders. and it would be direct - no shipping to there and then from there to the US. I have 5 cent electric and still out of it. the tariffs are enough to keep me away.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Philipma1957cellphone on September 09, 2019, 08:13:09 PM
I have to say I can't do escrow due to the newer coin tax rules in the states. Moving 100000 or more in coin will just cause me grief.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Biffa on September 09, 2019, 09:32:38 PM
Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 09, 2019, 10:12:27 PM
Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.

which is yet another reason why it is too much to ask of an escrow.

I can see 100 x 1665 = 166500 x .276 = 45954 in tariffs on the t17e


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: xephek on September 09, 2019, 11:09:16 PM
... With what I pay with electric in the USA per kWh, even without the 27.6% tariff/import fees, not gonna fly.

Anyway, others on here may have some redress, if/when the USA Tariffs are pulled yet this fall.

Myself, still seems I'm out of mining of any note until probably well into next year, 2020.

Sucks. Them's the breaks.

Brad

I'm in the same boat. Hopefully the tariff bs ends, but I won't hold my breath.
Even without the tariffs, I still need a more efficient miner with my electrical costs. Looks like I'll be waiting.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 09, 2019, 11:14:23 PM
Yeah gear is more industrialized. Many 3000 watt units. Costing 2000 usd and up.  This all makes a smaller miner on the edge.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 10, 2019, 12:05:52 AM
Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.

hmm yea I did not think of that - let me fetch the email I had gotten from them.

here it is, for orders of 200 - 500 miners:

https://i.ibb.co/bRj48km/Capture.jpg (https://ibb.co/84nySHs)

I am actually thinking of getting some of the T17s as they are just under 1200 - can get 3 of them for the price of a S17E.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: NotFuzzyWarm on September 10, 2019, 02:03:44 AM
Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.
Exactly. I've said that many times before here: It is Country of Origin that matters and as a the single most important part of a miner is the completed hash boards that means they must be built outside of China. Not easy to do as there are really not that many PCB assembly houses in other countries that can handle such power and temp dense boards much less make bazillions of them per batch. Just ask IMET (AMT A1 miner days) about the learning curve on working with them...

BM, Canaan, Inno and others have it easy in China since Shenzhen and surrounding areas is packed with such suppliers thanks to the crypto miner boom...

edit: added a bit & fixed typos


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 10, 2019, 02:06:24 AM
Exactly. I've said that many times before here: It is Country of Origin that matters and as a the single most important part of a miner is the completed hash boards that means they must be built outside of China. Not easy to do as there are really not that many PCB assembly houses that can handle such power and temp dense boards much less make bazillions of them per batch. Just IMET (AMT A1 miner days) about the learning curve on working with them...

gotcha - wonder why they said that to me then? trying to get me to buy 200 miners? then get slammed with the tariff? lol.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: NotFuzzyWarm on September 10, 2019, 02:13:48 AM
no, I'd guess they probably need to the MOQ for a (Malaysian) company to make them for BM in a timely fashion. No doubt costs BM more and they don't want to spend that to have a more made to be 'in-stock' from Malaysia.

That said, ja guess is their way to try and force sales (and tariff penalty) to those made in China...


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: AlecMe on September 10, 2019, 10:53:32 AM
long shot, but anyone has a coupon that does not plan on using?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 10, 2019, 12:05:53 PM
long shot, but anyone has a coupon that does not plan on using?

I wish I had one - Bitmain has not given me one for almost 6 months, even though I have ordered nearly 10 miners this year.

that made me remember - want to see something funny? go to ebay and see how many bitmain coupons there are.... that expired in March.... They still list them, why? hoping people buy without realizing they are expired?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mikeywith on September 10, 2019, 02:44:12 PM

They probably just forgot to delist those coupons, it is not like they can send you an expired coupon and say oh it's not our problem, when the coupons expire they kind of "vanish" , you can't use them, you can't send them you can only view them on the expired coupons tab.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Searing on September 10, 2019, 02:48:49 PM
I had a buddy with a LOT of coupons. They are all 'expired'. So that route may not be around anymore.

He was dorked and pissed off to say the least. So double-check on the Bitmain site, they may just 'wandered off' to 'dead coupon land' or something.

I'd check but have not bothered with the KYC stuff in that nothing has been available that makes sense in any way from Bitmain since that was added to their site.

yep, it has been that 'lean' indeed, the USA tariff was just driving a stake through my heart of the already dead mining dreams, due already to price and difficulty. :(

Brad


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mikeywith on September 10, 2019, 10:17:39 PM
I had a buddy with a LOT of coupons. They are all 'expired'. So that route may not be around anymore.

I have been using ,buying and selling bitmain coupons for a long enough time to understand how this coupon game operates, but without having to go into a lot of explanations, as long as bitmain does not have a ton of gears sitting around, there will be no coupons circulating around, so if you want to use coupons to buy bitmain gears you got to wait for the next bear market which may take another year or two to start.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: AriesIV10 on September 11, 2019, 01:02:33 AM
The Antminer S17e and T17e will be released in three batches and will be available for sale on Bitmainís official website according to the following timings:

1st Batch:

Selling Time: 09 September 2019, 19:00 GMT+8

Delivery Time: 01- 10 November 2019

2nd Batch:

Selling Time: 10 September 2019, 19:00 GMT+8

Delivery Time: 11-20 November 2019

3rd Batch:

Selling Time: 11 September 2019, 19:00 GMT+8

Delivery Time: 21-30 November 2019


https://blog.bitmain.com/en/bitmain-expands-in-demand-antminer-17-series-with-two-new-miners-reveals-specifications-and-selling-times/


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: taserz on September 11, 2019, 01:41:32 AM
Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.

It's where it's assembled. They assemble them in Malaysia.

Think of it like care. Parts coming from everywhere just like parts on the miner. Where it is built is where it is from. (granted I know like VW will assemble in mexico but yeah)


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: PopoJeff on September 11, 2019, 11:37:50 AM
The Antminer S17e and T17e will be released in three batches and will be available for sale on Bitmainís official website according to the following timings...

Thanks for the heads-up.

My email showed up overnight.
And, began refreshing the Bitmain page at 7am my time, and the S17e's came available again.

So I placed my first ever order with them, and completed my first ever payment for an item with btc.
Broke that cherry.

Now, my only remaining question is...... how do I handle the import/customs issue?  Ive never done that before, but have til Nov to figure it out.  I know I'll have to drop another $700 tariff fee. But what do I do from here for the customs part?
Any help/guidance will be greatly appreciated.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 11, 2019, 12:16:13 PM
The shipping company should be contacting you concerning that - both times I had to pay, I was contacted by DHL - both times were for about 300 worth of fees. The first one was on about 8k worth of miners and the second time was for one miner that was 1400.

the rest of the miners I bought were under 1k each and I paid no fees for those. yet...

still debating on whether to order another T17 for 1145, shipped will be about 1300 and with tariff it will be close to 1650. and for a unit that wont be here till December.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: PopoJeff on September 11, 2019, 12:22:40 PM
The shipping company should be contacting you concerning that - both times I had to pay, I was contacted by DHL - both times were for about 300 worth of fees. The first one was on about 8k worth of miners and the second time was for one miner that was 1400.

the rest of the miners I bought were under 1k each and I paid no fees for those. yet...

still debating on whether to order another T17 for 1145, shipped will be about 1300 and with tariff it will be close to 1650. and for a unit that wont be here till December.

Thank you.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 11, 2019, 12:37:45 PM
btw - what did you end up ordering?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: PopoJeff on September 11, 2019, 01:22:08 PM
I got one S17e for Nov shipment.

Although I like the price of the T17's, I'm trying to maximize TH for my home set-up, at the best efficiency, in the least number of units.

My physical set-up can handle 3 units in regards to power supply and heat exhaust.  To run any more than 3 units, I'd have to do more electrical work, adding a sub panel, etc... and getting exhaust ducts out is kind of a pain, so really dont want to do any more.

And I should be able to sell my current units on eBay for the same price I pay for a new one from Bitmain.
Once this arrives and I sell the pro-50, I'll look at swapping out the next unit.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 11, 2019, 01:55:41 PM
gotcha. Yea, my limit is 20 outlets so 10 of the double plugs or 20 singles or a mix - which is what I have now.  what all are you selling? just the pro50? price?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: PopoJeff on September 11, 2019, 02:04:51 PM
Not 100% sure yet.  I also ordered a unit from Varispin Tech to try out.  48-53Th @3000w.  That should arrive this month.  Wasn't thrilled with the efficiency, but it was better than two s9's, and at the time of order, it was easier to buy than anything on eBay (scams), (and I didnt have enough btc in my wallet to order from Bitmain yet).

In short, I have 6plugs.   Currently running one s17 56th, one s17 pro 50, and one s9i.
On order, one Varispin Starlight miner (sept), one S17e (nov).


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Philipma1957cellphone on September 11, 2019, 08:15:35 PM
Was looking at the t17 38th model. It is still available may get it later today.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 11, 2019, 11:44:38 PM
Was looking at the t17 38th model. It is still available may get it later today.

I am waiting on some ebay auctions on my current miners - if they sell then I will buy one or two T17's - if they are still available.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 11, 2019, 11:57:28 PM
Well 2 t17e cost 3194  plus  shipping and trump tax  will do 106th

https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=000201909090947096086cx515TP0659

3 t17 cost 3435 plus shipping and trump tax will do 114th

https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190911152351284Iy546I9c063C

either deal arrives nov 11-20

of course  3 s9k  cost 789 plus shipping no trump tax and do 42th

https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190911155155939FluJlFo406C8

if you and two friends order a total of 9 s9k's    you get   126th  in 2 weeks or so.  cost is 2367  plus shipping  no trump tax if 3 orders to 3 different addresses

very interesting set of choices to make here.

I will wait to get some gear in before I order again.   my inno comes in a day  my s9k's ship in 9 days.    that is 50 + 54 = 104.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 12, 2019, 12:21:03 AM
if you need a 3rd address let me know, I dont mind helping ya out if you go that route.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: xxxABJxxx on September 12, 2019, 04:17:25 PM
@philipma1957

Do you think the T17 38Th/s for 1145USD is a good price?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: PopoJeff on September 12, 2019, 04:42:19 PM
@philipma1957

Do you think the T17 38Th/s for 1145USD is a good price?

I think it is.  Considering they sell for $3000-4000 on eBay or Amazon.
Efficiency is not quite as good as an S17, but the ROI would be quicker.

If you have the physical set-up for them (enough power, exhaust set-up), you can buy 2 T17's for 80 TH, for less than one S17 at 60-64TH


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: wndsnb on September 12, 2019, 05:46:20 PM
@philipma1957

Do you think the T17 38Th/s for 1145USD is a good price?

It is a good price for some people, but not for others. Depends on what you pay for power, how much risk you can tolerate, what you think price and difficulty are going to do in the next year, ..... etc.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Biffa on September 12, 2019, 06:02:32 PM
Also you can only buy 2 from any one batch unless you can get someone else to get another two etc etc


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mochaaa on September 12, 2019, 08:03:30 PM
without decent price increase return will be longer than the anticipated halvening


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Philipma1957cellphone on September 12, 2019, 08:31:04 PM
it is a risky and high priced item. But s9 gear will drop off like mad.  So more efficient gear can be good.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Biodom on September 13, 2019, 01:09:19 AM
it is a risky and high priced item. But s9 gear will drop off like mad.  So more efficient gear can be good.

With presumable close to zero electricity cost from the solar, wouldn't the lowest cost per th/s be the best idea?
S9 could be had on the cheap these days...


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mochaaa on September 13, 2019, 01:10:49 AM
becomes a density issue at a certain point in that case


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: wndsnb on September 13, 2019, 01:38:30 AM
With presumable close to zero electricity cost from the solar, wouldn't the lowest cost per th/s be the best idea?
S9 could be had on the cheap these days...

You need to ROI on your solar array as well as your miners, so not really. Even at 1$ per watt for an array (which is unrealistically low even for huge scale), you'd need to spend around 10K to power each s9. With diff rising, it may take longer than the 25 year life of the solar panels to ROI with s9s.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 13, 2019, 12:07:12 PM
With presumable close to zero electricity cost from the solar, wouldn't the lowest cost per th/s be the best idea?
S9 could be had on the cheap these days...

No not all s9  you would need  s9 and s17 pro.  As time goes on lower the s9 from 13th to 10th and add an s17 pro.

5 s9         = 70th and use 7kwatts

1 s17 pro = 50th and use 2.1kwatts

9.1kwatts

120th earns 120 x 0.00002022 or 0.002426 a day in 100 days that is 0.2426 btc or 2426 usd so buy an s17pro for dec.

drop the 5 s9s to 50th at 4.5kwatts
the 2s17 do 106th at       4.2kwatts

you are at  8.7kwatts  and you grew from 120th to 156th

to do this  you need  say 9 x 24 = 220kwatt system.

and a grid tie   a 220 kwatt system =  460-500 thousand dollars

but and the but is huge  the right states  give big incentives  and the 500 thousand is under 200000.

so you pay 200000 and the original gear for mining is  5 s9's = 2000 and 1 s17 = 3000 only 5000 in mining gear.

you allowed a 220kwatt setup  on your roof  because you created a demand with only 5k in gear.

and you have builtin ability to keep growing the gear at a cost of next to zero.

you need a property that can do 700 panels  you need  to be able to use the tax credits.  Ie  you make money at something else.

If  you can do that solar makes sense.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Epochjump on September 14, 2019, 12:28:02 AM
Bitmain just released 64 Th at 2200 watts shipped in 3 days after payment. Once again, Bitmain is on a major cash grab. Diff jumps are going vertical. By today's metrics this offering gets you ROI by halvening. But...no way that holds. These will be 16 months minimum ROI. Bitmain is at it again. wait for newbs to go broke, then by their gear. That's what I've done the last three cycles. NEVER buy these hype/cycle peaks. People laughed when I predicted that you could buy S9I 14 th for $200.00. I bought 100's of them from $369.00 down to $225.00. My new prediction....wait and buy S17's for $500.00 new in the box post halvening. You heard it here first. $10,000,00 BTC will be the new $3,000.00 BTC.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: favebook on September 14, 2019, 02:00:55 AM
Bitmain just released 64 Th at 2200 watts shipped in 3 days after payment. Once again, Bitmain is on a major cash grab. Diff jumps are going vertical. By today's metrics this offering gets you ROI by halvening. But...no way that holds. These will be 16 months minimum ROI. Bitmain is at it again. wait for newbs to go broke, then by their gear. That's what I've done the last three cycles. NEVER buy these hype/cycle peaks. People laughed when I predicted that you could buy S9I 14 th for $200.00. I bought 100's of them from $369.00 down to $225.00. My new prediction....wait and buy S17's for $500.00 new in the box post halvening. You heard it here first. $10,000,00 BTC will be the new $3,000.00 BTC.

Where exactly did you see them releasing that? I've been checking both English and Chinese page every hour for a few days now and nothing is indicating that that your statement is true, as the only S17e 64TH/s that is available now is shipping 21-31 December(3293$) and last available(before that previously noted date) was 21-30 November(2683$).


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Bobbin on September 14, 2019, 08:53:29 AM
Bitmain just released 64 Th at 2200 watts shipped in 3 days after payment. Once again, Bitmain is on a major cash grab. Diff jumps are going vertical. By today's metrics this offering gets you ROI by halvening. But...no way that holds. These will be 16 months minimum ROI. Bitmain is at it again. wait for newbs to go broke, then by their gear. That's what I've done the last three cycles. NEVER buy these hype/cycle peaks. People laughed when I predicted that you could buy S9I 14 th for $200.00. I bought 100's of them from $369.00 down to $225.00. My new prediction....wait and buy S17's for $500.00 new in the box post halvening. You heard it here first. $10,000,00 BTC will be the new $3,000.00 BTC.

If you are referring to the email from 'bitmain team' (actualy: kanormoched@gmail.com)that hyperlinks to 'bitmain-store.org'
i would be very suspicious. they have made a very good copy of the bitmain store.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: xxxABJxxx on September 14, 2019, 11:18:59 AM
Bitmain just released 64 Th at 2200 watts shipped in 3 days after payment. Once again, Bitmain is on a major cash grab. Diff jumps are going vertical. By today's metrics this offering gets you ROI by halvening. But...no way that holds. These will be 16 months minimum ROI. Bitmain is at it again. wait for newbs to go broke, then by their gear. That's what I've done the last three cycles. NEVER buy these hype/cycle peaks. People laughed when I predicted that you could buy S9I 14 th for $200.00. I bought 100's of them from $369.00 down to $225.00. My new prediction....wait and buy S17's for $500.00 new in the box post halvening. You heard it here first. $10,000,00 BTC will be the new $3,000.00 BTC.

I think the same.

But if you want to change your setup i think difficult.

One S17 56T are equal to 4xS9 14T.

In europe you become today maybe $450 for one S9i/j. If BTC price drops to $3.000, you become maybe $50 for one S9i/j.
You lost 4x $400= $1.600, become $200 for four S9 and must buy one S17 in this time for $500.

-  1.600
+ 200
-  500
= -$2.300.

So if you now sell 4 S9īs for $450 you can pay for one S17 max. $2.300.

This math with energy costs, you drive better with one S17.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Epochjump on September 14, 2019, 01:08:58 PM
If you are referring to the email from 'bitmain team' (actualy: kanormoched@gmail.com)that hyperlinks to 'bitmain-store.org'
i would be very suspicious. they have made a very good copy of the bitmain store.

You are absolutely correct! Almost an exact clone of the main site. I have them up now side by side. Unbelievable. Here's the pirate site. h**ps://bitmain-store[dot]org/shop/00020180710164901333EGb4bPcY0681aa.html

They also ONLY accept LTC, BCH, BTC while stating they take USD wire transfer. Biggest clue overall is that you are buying an APW7 PSU along with the "unit". Even though te new units have their own built in. Thanks for the heads up!


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: favebook on September 17, 2019, 12:02:11 AM
Please try to avoid giving fake info if your source is not valid and checked. Also, feel free to report such fake websites to this forum thread:
Fake Bitmain Antminer websites (updated 16.07.2019) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5159286.0)

Also, you are correct that a big clue of it being fake is APW7 PSU bundle with S17e. However, there are a lot more clue before that. Firstly, website is missing a lot of UI features. Secondly, it is completely and poorly copied version of original website. Thirdly, you can login to their website with any mail and password.

So next time please refer to their one and only website: Bitmain (https://shop.bitmain.com/)


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Thetaj on September 17, 2019, 08:22:33 AM
This machine, if it weren't for the price, would be very well worth it, but with the price right now even with 2c electricity (which some of us have). It wouldn't even ROI in terms of Bitcoin till well after the halvening


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 17, 2019, 09:43:29 PM
S17e on bitmain at a bargain price of 2544

https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190917150939672JFWahe97068C


it is a reference price ie can only go lower when it sells quote is from link above.

"1. The product price indicated on this page (hereinafter referred to as the ďProduct Reference PriceĒ) is only the reference price. The actual transaction price of the product (hereinafter referred to as the ďActual Transaction PriceĒ) is determined by us according to the market conditions before the delivery of the product. We promise that the Actual Transaction Price of the product does not exceed the Product Reference Price."

It is a good deal?

they also are doing the s17pro  at 2107

https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=000201909171505196803x1hG7pp06A2


is this a way to cut whatsminer's to ribbons?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Biffa on September 17, 2019, 10:17:14 PM
Not sure if its a good deal or not, its a lot of money to tie up till December, but then people seem to be happy doing it, the November batches sold out pretty quickly.

One thing though, I think those ones are just normal S17's @45W/T because I thought the Pro's are like 39W/T

Its sort of in the middle compared to the whatsminers, compared to the M20S its better power usage by 3W/T and cheaper, but its slower by 15TH

And compared to the M20 its still better power usage and its more expensive, but its faster by 8TH

M20S - 68TH @ 48W/TH - $2589
S17  - 53TH @ 45W/TH - $2107
M20  - 45TH @ 48W/TH - $1830

What it does do is spank the Inno T3-50T which is slightly (3TH) slower and uses 62W/TH at around the same price. But then the Inno is avail now, not in 3 months.

Of course the surprise outsider is the Avalon 1066 which is the same speed as the Inno, uses 63W/TH, costs $400 or so less than both. And is avail in Nov.

Decisions, decisions!!


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 17, 2019, 10:56:24 PM
well I have staggered orders

inno for aug------------50t came on sept 12th
bitmain for sept--------56th due sept 20-30
avalon for oct-----------106th due oct
bitmain for nov--------- 106th due nov

I am not sure I need to add for dec.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 17, 2019, 11:05:08 PM
what's the price limit to avoid tariff?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 17, 2019, 11:42:05 PM
what's the price limit to avoid tariff?

These are trump tax 800 is the cut off.

I will soon see this as my s9 order is 798 usd


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: wndsnb on September 18, 2019, 12:14:23 AM
It would be nice if they gave us a formula for how they'd calculate the price. At least what circumstances would lead to a lower price. If a competitor releases a 45W/TH miner at a lower price for Dec. delivery, will the match it?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 18, 2019, 12:17:51 AM
Well the reference price is a new idea.

Last week they had a stupid high price 3200 or 3300 for it.

The 2544 is much better for the s17e

2544/64 = 39.75

2107/53 = 39.75.  S17.

Both are good numbers it is the lessor efficient model.

But this is an insurance policy for a miner.

Buy an s17 for 2107. The price will not go up.

But if conditions change they will issue a coupon to make up for it.

So if the m20 is dropping and lots of other gear is dropping in price.

You may get a four or five hundred dollar coupon for more gear.

No one else is offering this preorder insurance.

I see it as a direct attack on Whatsminer gear. Since most of the gear is priced out to Jan.
I also see it as an attack against the innosilicon t3 50t which is now promised to ship under 8 days.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 18, 2019, 12:25:34 AM
These are trump tax 800 is the cut off.

I will soon see this as my s9 order is 798 usd

thanks. wasnt sure if it was 800 or 1000


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 18, 2019, 12:27:34 AM
Ordering the s17 for dec may be smart to do if trump taxes are ended it becomes a very good deal to buy one.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 18, 2019, 12:43:42 AM
yea. debating it. still in the air if I just ride out what I have until after the halving. I am super intrigued to see what happens when rewards are slashed - will huge farms shut off? will the difficulty drop back under 10? or even lower? how much will transaction fees increase? if they go too high, I can see that as a huge turn off for people trading --- all again depending on how the price climbs as well.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: wndsnb on September 18, 2019, 12:54:10 AM
Ordering the s17 for dec may be smart to do if trump taxes are ended it becomes a very good deal to buy one.

I'm not seeing Trump taxes going away before the election. China is trying to run out the clock. In my opinion, more chance of tariffs going up by December.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 18, 2019, 02:47:10 AM
I'm not seeing Trump taxes going away before the election. China is trying to run out the clock. In my opinion, more chance of tariffs going up by December.

Maybe it is possible you are correct.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: digital$ on September 18, 2019, 10:33:54 AM
Well the reference price is a new idea...

microbt cant beat that...if they could they would...inno is and has always been in a "outfielder" position ;)


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 18, 2019, 01:08:52 PM
I just got this for my s9k order totally unexpected  the price war has started!

Quote from: Bitmain
Actual Transaction Price of Antminer S9k-13.5TH/s
Sep 18 at 7:21 AM

webmaster @ bitmaintech . com <webmaster @ bitmaintech . com>
To: phil... @ yahoo.com
Dear customer,
Thank you very much for your purchase of our products.  
You are receiving this email to inform you that we will issue the Actual Transaction Price of Antminer S9k-13.5TH/s(Shipping date: 20-30, Sep. 2019)
 
Item No.
Product Reference Price
Actual Transaction Price
Antminer S9k-13.5T
310USD
253USD
 
1. If the Actual Transaction Price of the product is lower than the Product Reference Price, the remaining amount will be generated in your account.
You may use the remaining amount to purchase additional products at the Actual Transaction Price, or you may use the remaining amount to purchase
other products shown on the website that are available for purchasing.
2. If the actual price of our same product is lower than the Actual Transaction Price within 10 natural days after the delivery of the products (i.e., delivering to the carrier)
(hereinafter referred to as the ďInsured periodĒ), we will calculate the difference of the Actual Transaction Price and the lowest actual price during the Insured Period,
and issue the coupons of the same amount as the difference to you. The usage rules of coupons are subject to the instructions upon coupons issuance.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 18, 2019, 01:16:02 PM
and what would they do if the transaction price was higher? make you pay more?

also - does anyone have any valid coupons even? I used to get them by the dozens for prior orders but I have made 4 or 5 orders now and have received none.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 18, 2019, 01:45:42 PM
You can not exceed the price given

so in the case of the s17e on sale right now:

https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190917150939672JFWahe97068C   due to ship dec 11-20

the reference price of 2544 is the most you can pay

if prices drop before  it ships they give a coupon

Ie if it is   only 2000 on dec 1  you get a 544 coupon

compare this to the m20s  https://pangolinminer.com/product/whatsminer-m20-series/

2510  jan 1 - jan 15


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mikeywith on September 18, 2019, 02:03:52 PM
if prices drop before  it ships they give a coupon

You have to also keep in mind that the real value of the coupon is never 100%, depending on the overall market conditions at the time of issuing the coupon ( gear price, bitcoin price, difficulty, buyers liquidity etc..) those coupons could be worth as low as 10% of their face value.

in other words, let's say you pay 1529$ for the T17e Dec batch, and then price drops to 1029$ , you get a 500$ coupon, so it may seem like you have paid only 1029$ but in reality if you want to sell that coupon, you may only get an offer of say 100$ because that is what the coupon market price is (hypothetically) , so in reality you paid 1429$ and not 1029$ because if you were to buy the coupon for 100$ the miner would cost you 1029$+100$ = 1129$ which means you paid 300$ more for the same gear.

While there is no guarantee about the coupon actual values by then, but sure thing it's never 100%, throughout bitmain coupon history the value goes from 10% to 40% , it only goes pass 40% in very rare scenarios, in fact in many cases nobody wants those coupons, I have personally had more than 200 coupons expired in my account, i know people who had a much larger number of expired coupons, simply because at some point of time nobody wants to pay a dime for the coupon, in fact they wouldn't want them for free neither.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 18, 2019, 02:14:19 PM
Depends on your building goals.  I have a lot of  power left to fill.  But if you don't have much room to expand  this deal  is not so good.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 18, 2019, 02:26:09 PM
I may wait and see what coupons people get and buy some coupons and get some gear then.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Biffa on September 18, 2019, 02:29:28 PM
I may wait and see what coupons people get and buy some coupons and get some gear then.

Might be too late :)

Anyone notice, there are T17E and T17-38 are live for 1st Dec if you are interested.

Looks like limit of 2 per customer per batch


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 18, 2019, 03:00:04 PM
maybe but if the prices drop AND I can snag a coupon, then it will be even a better deal (that being said, I am sitting here with 2 T17's in my cart right now....)


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 18, 2019, 03:08:29 PM
I am waiting until I get the coupons from my s9k's  2 s9k's 310 - 253 =57 bucks     so I should get 57 + 57 = 114  If I don't get that  I don't buy.

So Far I do not see that.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mikeywith on September 18, 2019, 05:14:08 PM

They mentioned that coupons will issued before 18th sep, but nothing showed up yet, maybe they mean 2020? Anyhow keep in mind that you won't get to use two coupons for one miner, so you won't get a114$ coupon, it may make more sense to buy a 500$ coupon than using your own coupons if you plan on buying T17,S17,T17e or S17e.

Anyhow the coupons should show up soon, i will keep you guys updated with their prices.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: abeandund on September 18, 2019, 05:32:46 PM
All good points, but how good is deal if btc goes to 12k, 14k or higher before December?  Kinda seems like Bitmain wants us to buy their product now.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 18, 2019, 06:16:13 PM
This is flat out an attack on the whatsminer m20s

now  does bitmain know something we don't know?

??? I have zero idea.

if coins go up  this deal  is still better if you are using bank transfer or coin purchased to buy this gear.

I am still waiting for a coupon on my s9k gear.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Sundance_ on September 19, 2019, 12:02:10 PM
Hi guys,

So I could not think where else to put this but reading about the S17e and T17e on a Chinese website:

Quote
It is reported that the standard calculation power of S17e is 64TH/S, the energy efficiency ratio is 45J/T, the standard calculation power of T17e is 53TH/S, and the energy efficiency ratio is 55J/T. With high computing power, low power consumption, strong stability and high cost performance, the S17e and T17e are on the market. According to official website data, the ant mining machine S17e is only 1 minute from the time of sale to sale.

*Sorry for translation by google, and if there is better translated info but it's just a quick question..

I used to get the impression, and I think I have read, that the T9 model was like the more reliable version of the S9 model. It's cheaper, and lesser in every way but somehow I got the impression, and maybe I did not read but somewhere along the way made up, that the T model is the more reliable miner. Reliable in the sense, and only this sense, that it does not break as much and is longer-lasting if not necessarily more hardy.

Reading this section in Chinese it just strikes me, as someone who may not understand the process particularly well, that the T model is just a weaker version of the S model as a result of something on the assembly line. I'm suggesting that the T model is basically just as reliable but it is in some way a model made from the less desirable cuts from wafers. Could there be in any thing resembling the truth in this or am I completely off the mark? I've not paid attention to mining for two months and I've forgotten a lot it seems.

Long story short: What is the fundamental difference between the T and S series?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 19, 2019, 12:13:12 PM
I think you pretty much got the difference - it will be slightly slower but will have a lower efficiency as well. That said, all my 15's and 17's are T versions. For me, the small difference in efficiency does not make up for the price difference when the prices are 50% higher for the S versions.

My goal is to increase my hash rate but to also make ROI as quickly as I can. The extra efficiency do not always make for a faster ROI when the price is higher beyond a certain point. AT least that is how I justify whether I buy the T version or the S version.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 19, 2019, 01:22:28 PM
Back in the day T-9 adverts said it does not break and is reliable.

t-15
t-17 don't say that.

I have

1 t-17
1 t-15
1 s-15
1 s-17 pro

In a world of magic  where everything is according to phil  I would only have s-17 pro's  100 of them  would fill the power we have

200 would fill us  if we max the power to 400kwatts

my s 17 pros does 36 watts on low speed  nothing touches that  better yet  1440 watts I use a y spilt power cord made for 14 amps  and it is an amazing unit.

But thr price of it is a big factor.

which is why my next order is 2 t17e's  for 3300  vs 2 s17e's for 5100+


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 19, 2019, 02:33:07 PM
ahh - I need to look into that Y splitter - I could run 20 of the 17's vs 10 of them, as I am running power wires from two outlets. I installed a switch that shuts both on/off at the same time and they are the same circuit so if the breaker blows there is no issue with powering one and not the other  but the splitter would allow me to run quite a few more.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: PopoJeff on September 19, 2019, 07:21:26 PM
Just be careful with your calculations.  Although you can double the units with the Y splitter, you'll also double the amps pulled on the electrical circuit.  And depending on wire gauge of that circuit, could be an issue.
In my case, I'm maxed on circuit amperage for the circuits I have run.  To expand my operation would require running a few more circuits, which will require a lot more breaker box work.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Philipma1957cellphone on September 19, 2019, 07:34:40 PM
S17  53th pro pull 2250. So two do 4500 which is easy peasy for a 30 amp circuit.  Easy way is circuit to a pair of l6 30r  then a l6 30p to c19 cable then a c20 to y c13  it does a pair of t17 or s17   but I would not try a s17e with a s17 pro as that would be 5500 watts.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 19, 2019, 07:38:04 PM
my circuits are 30 amps currently with 4 outlets on each circuit so 4 might be too much maybe 2 17's and 2 s9's :)


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: PopoJeff on September 19, 2019, 07:53:40 PM
Also need to know what gauge wire runs those circuits.  Some people don't always wire to code. (Me for example). 

I only have an 8' run from the breaker box, which eases resistance, so i was able to run 12ga wire which I had laying around, to 3 outlets per circuit, two circuits.   So I can pull a constant 16amps per circuit safely, with no worries, and still be 'technically ok' to 20a.   So I can run 3 units.  Anymore and my wire run the risk of glowing.

But, knowing we have a Y-plug available, if I run more circuits in the future, I can wire less outlets to a circuit. And that's where I get my fingers chewed up.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 19, 2019, 09:17:53 PM
Also need to know what gauge wire runs those circuits.  Some people don't always wire to code. (Me for example). 

I only have an 8' run from the breaker box, which eases resistance, so i was able to run 12ga wire which I had laying around, to 3 outlets per circuit, two circuits.   So I can pull a constant 16amps per circuit safely, with no worries, and still be 'technically ok' to 20a.   So I can run 3 units.  Anymore and my wire run the risk of glowing.

But, knowing we have a Y-plug available, if I run more circuits in the future, I can wire less outlets to a circuit. And that's where I get my fingers chewed up.

without pulling the paperwork to verify and going off of memory, I would have to say the wire is 10 gauge


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: PopoJeff on September 19, 2019, 09:48:47 PM
Iirc, 10ga is good for up to 30A, and they recommend only running a steady load of 80% of max capable amps...  so you'd be good for 24A steady load on that entire circuit.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 19, 2019, 09:54:23 PM
so yea, 2 T17's per circuit then right? iirc T17's are right around 10 amp's each.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 19, 2019, 10:13:48 PM
yep

let me find links
this meets  most codes  and you do not need pdu's

1x  30 amp circuit breaker
https://www.amazon.com/Q230-30-Amp-Double-Circuit-Breaker/dp/B00002N5HJ/

use 10 gauge  wire to the receptacles

two receptacles
https://www.amazon.com/EATON-L630R-Recpt-Single-Black/dp/B00062BJG6/

two extensions
https://www.ebay.com/itm/L6-30P-to-C19-Molded-Power-Cord-10ft-220V-250V-30A-Ships-Free/202748227610?

two splitters
https://www.amazon.com/IEC-C20-C13-Splitter-Cord/dp/B07J6S348C/

two t17's

https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190918155345657Yn1i4Xvb06CC

that  should have you at 4400 to 4600 watts  easy peasy only 18-20 amps

now  you could do

1 t17e  and 1s9   that is also about   3100 + 1300 = 4400

or 1 s17e  on normal speed  and 1 s17 pro on low speed   3000 + 1430  and 4430 watts gives you  105th


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Epochjump on September 21, 2019, 01:32:00 PM
I am currently running several S17 56TH on 208V. I have randomly Amp Clamped over 20 of them at the lead wire coming from the Breaker. These units are pulling consistently 12 Amps. We all used to easily get away with using 12 gauge wire, particularly in our receptacle;e pigtails. ( so much easier to make them up ) I am rethinking this part of my grid build outs now. These new units are consistently into the double digit amperage's. I believe that 12 gauge COPPER wire can support these loads but due to the constant draw aspect of our game, it's a bit of a game of Russian Roulette as to when your wires heat up, and melt their clothing. IMHO, it's not worth the risk to save some sore fingers from twisting 10g to 10g during rig ups. 2 S17's on one 30amp Breaker gets you right at 24amps +/-. Perfectly at the 80% threshold. Run that on 10 gauge and you'll avoid that awful smell of burning electrical components. Oh....and also burning buildings.  ;) ( side note; When I amp clamp th T17 38 th they always come in under 10 amps. Again, running 3ph, 208V )


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on September 21, 2019, 02:11:27 PM
I am currently running several S17 56TH on 208V. I have randomly Amp Clamped over 20 of them at the lead wire coming from the Breaker. These units are pulling consistently 12 Amps. We all used to easily get away with using 12 gauge wire, particularly in our receptacle;e pigtails. ( so much easier to make them up ) I am rethinking this part of my grid build outs now. These new units are consistently into the double digit amperage's. I believe that 12 gauge COPPER wire can support these loads but due to the constant draw aspect of our game, it's a bit of a game of Russian Roulette as to when your wires heat up, and melt their clothing. IMHO, it's not worth the risk to save some sore fingers from twisting 10g to 10g during rig ups. 2 S17's on one 30amp Breaker gets you right at 24amps +/-. Perfectly at the 80% threshold. Run that on 10 gauge and you'll avoid that awful smell of burning electrical components. Oh....and also burning buildings.  ;) ( side note; When I amp clamp th T17 38 th they always come in under 10 amps. Again, running 3ph, 208V )

Yeah I have only the one 53t pro  which pulls 2225 watts  so 2225/208 = 10.7 amps

but we run around 227 volts so 2225/227 = 9.8 amps.

All my 30 amp circuits to l6-30r are 10 gauge under 6 foot runs.  So they can do 5000 watts  5000/208 = 24.04 amps.

every once in a while  we shift to a low leg  and volts drop as low as 187  fucks up everything.

 I am working with power company as to why it happens.

With us gear drops out and comes back since the low volts do not last.

the danger for a steady draw setup is if the low volts lasts for hours


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 21, 2019, 02:25:03 PM
My set up is more recent - mar 2018 so all the wiring even the receptacles are fully 10gauge ao i will be ok with that


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: PopoJeff on September 21, 2019, 08:54:02 PM
I'm also kind of dancing a fine line.  I had a 250' roll of 12/3 on hand already, so I wanted to use that rather than spend more money on more wire.
My run is only maybe 10-12'.

12ga is safe up to 20A, but they recommend only using 80% of that capacity. So 16A.
I ran two circuits, 3 outlets per circuit.

Per Bitmain site, the S17 56th (pro-53 a little less) uses 2520 watts in normal mode.  2520 watts at 240v is 10.5A. So, 5.25A per cord.

So, in my case, i can run 3 S17's, plugging into those 6 outlets, putting 15.75A thru each circuit.

I'm running out of space in my breaker box at this point, so if I decide to add more miners, I either have to wire up a sub-panel for miners, or consolidate some of the 15A 120v circuits with tandem breakers.

BUT, now I ordered the S17e, think we're looking at 2880w (12A)....... I might be swapping out to 10ga wire.

Currently running (1) S17 56th, (1) S17 Pro 50th, and (1) S9i....   when the S17e arrives in November, the S9 will be sold on eBay.
Depending how the near future plays out, I'm considering expanding a bit and running up to (5) S17's


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on September 21, 2019, 10:21:48 PM
I have 400 amp service coming in - 200 to the house and 200 to the miners sub panel


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Epochjump on September 22, 2019, 02:37:55 AM
Yeah I have only the one 53t pro  which pulls 2225 watts  so 2225/208 = 10.7 amps

but we run around 227 volts so 2225/227 = 9.8 amps.

All my 30 amp circuits to l6-30r are 10 gauge under 6 foot runs.  So they can do 5000 watts  5000/208 = 24.04 amps.

every once in a while  we shift to a low leg  and volts drop as low as 187  fucks up everything.

 I am working with power company as to why it happens.

With us gear drops out and comes back since the low volts do not last.

the danger for a steady draw setup is if the low volts lasts for hours

Are these drops possibly due to Power Company changeover from one transformer to another? In one of my locations,  I'm pulling 3MW off a residential substation, but I'm the only "commercial entity" drawing from that portion of the grid, I've been lucky to have very steady supply flow on the power company side. I know some residential grids can have decent size variances on their supply side. In my other location I'm pulling 4 MW's off the HV lines at through a 3500 KVA Transformer to 480V and stepping it down into containers to 3 phase 208. So far I've had very good results in my container build outs. 480V down to 208V into 10 gauge runs on 400 amp panels loaded with 30 amp breakers. Very stable so far.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Sundance_ on September 23, 2019, 10:45:50 AM
I'm suggesting that the T model is basically just as reliable but it is in some way a model made from the less desirable cuts from wafers. Could there be in any thing resembling the truth in this or am I completely off the mark? I've not paid attention to mining for two months and I've forgotten a lot it seems.

Long story short: What is the fundamental difference between the T and S series?

Hi guys, thanks for the replies. I was wondering if anyone had any remarks on the much more wildly speculative part of my post. Whether it works out that the T model is just a model made in lesser quantities from the mishandled/malformed parts? Surely there are waste/scrap parts from making an S model that are still somewhat valuable? Bitmain is too 'insert adjective depending on your opinion of bitmain' to throw away?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Epochjump on September 23, 2019, 08:59:17 PM
I don't know enough about Chip Technology to comment intelligently on this but I do own a lot of "T" models and have first hand experience with them. I see that BM is constantly tweaking and fiddling with the 7nm density chip sets, and finding higher and better efficiency levels. While small variances to be sure, there are still notable differences. I find the "T" versus the "S" designation to be analogous to the high end car manufacturers, giving different badges to their performance and luxury lines. Porsche for Example an "S" model of any platform usually indicates a higher performance characteristic. From my experience, the "T" models are showing better reliability because they aren't running at the proverbial "redline". I feel that the S17 56 and or 64 TH units are running at the red line. Horsepower  sacrifices reliability in most engineering applications. Again, just a guess based on my experience, but I will say this. My T15's, T17's are the most reliable ASIC miners I've dealt with since the S-9's. I've had ZERO issues with them. I have constant RMA's and failed boards from the less robust S grouping. Again, just one person's experience. Others may see the opposite.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mochaaa on September 24, 2019, 06:57:30 AM
pretty sure the "T" is lower quality silicon vs the "S". Either that or its 7nm vs 7nm+ of newer processes.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Thetaj on September 25, 2019, 06:17:53 AM
I can say from experience that running 2 S17s on a 32amp circuit is a pretty bad ordeal.

If you really wanna go at it long term, 1 dedicated 16amp breaker for each machine is a far better choice. However, it might need to be retooled from whatever you are running before.

I used to run 4000W per each phase over a 24amp circuit. A headache to switch them all for sure.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Solicitor on October 30, 2019, 01:54:08 PM
Did anyone notice that Jihan Wu said on WDMC that in S17e they used revised 16nm asics? That can't be true I guess. Maybe he meant to refer to S9se which would have made more sense. Any ideas?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on October 30, 2019, 02:05:00 PM
Did anyone notice that Jihan Wu said on WDMC that in S17e they used revised 16nm asics? That can't be true I guess. Maybe he meant to refer to S9se which would have made more sense. Any ideas?

Most likely a misspoken sentence.  The S17e has a 45 watts a th rating.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Solicitor on October 30, 2019, 02:15:12 PM
I guess so, but made me nervous at first because he said we will do the same with S17 and ifthat would happen all those innosilicons and avalons would become pumpkins (not that they're doing very well now though)


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on October 31, 2019, 01:44:12 AM
I guess so, but made me nervous at first because he said we will do the same with S17 and ifthat would happen all those innosilicons and avalons would become pumpkins (not that they're doing very well now though)

s17 pro can do 36 watts a th and 43th nothing touches this.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Epochjump on October 31, 2019, 03:23:56 AM
s17 pro can do 36 watts a th and 43th nothing touches this.

If I could I would only run these units.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on October 31, 2019, 10:23:57 PM
If I could I would only run these units.

Yeah in a world of phil gets his way

I would have 200 of them.

Hell 2000 of them.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: prpz on November 05, 2019, 04:32:15 PM
Has one received any tracking info? have they started sending shipments out yet? I know orders went live at 7am eastern time I placed mine at 7:06
I know its Nov1-Nov10 was hoping that 6 min didn't set me back 8-10 days lol based on their first placed order first shipped system.
or is it a general delay with these S17Es


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 05, 2019, 05:09:32 PM
Has one received any tracking info? have they started sending shipments out yet? I know orders went live at 7am eastern time I placed mine at 7:06
I know its Nov1-Nov10 was hoping that 6 min didn't set me back 8-10 days lol based on their first placed order first shipped system.
or is it a general delay with these S17Es

No  they have yet to ship my t17e's ordered in sept  for 1-10 nov .

most likely these will start shipping on thursday or friday  7 or 8.

I am not a bitmain fan.  But they have been very good at being on time this year.

They have not been very good with coupon distribution they still owe me 2x 57 coupons and they owe my partner 2x 57 coupons.

Which is a shame as we would buy more gear with those coupons.

They  have also lacked clarity with location of shipments. IE  if the gear is assembled in and ships from Malaysia it saves USA buyers 25% in tax.

So they are batting 1 for 3   ie> on time they are good.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: prpz on November 05, 2019, 08:20:30 PM
Im hoping to get more coupons as well, and if so ill buy more stuff.
Let me know if your shipments ships this week if you don't mind? Ill do the same if you want.
Cant see that order being far behind since it was made and paid for 6 min into the launch

all my s17pros have shipped from China -Hong Kong- USA(Cincinnati)- Canada (Hamilton)


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on November 05, 2019, 09:00:25 PM
I have one coupon for $150 - I plan on using it to order one more - not sure if it will be a T17 or S17 - but I will order one more :)


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: prpz on November 05, 2019, 11:09:57 PM
I hope they have a sale on ones day
its a Chinese sale on 1111 (November 11)
maybe wishful thinking


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 06, 2019, 05:01:26 AM
I hope they have a sale on ones day
its a Chinese sale on 1111 (November 11)
maybe wishful thinking

bitmain has lowered prices but halted sales.

not sure when the gear will open again.

s17pro  53th.  is 1999.    7 day shipping
t17      42th   is 1052.    7 day shipping
s17+.   73th. is 2111.  dec 21-31 shipping
s17e.    60th. is 1735.   dec 21-31 shipping
s17+.    73th. is 1973.  january shipping
s17e.   60th.  is 1622.    january shipping



they are vague as to the january dates


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on November 06, 2019, 05:33:02 AM
i am liking the lower prices. and my T15 just sold for 960 on eBay add the coupon to that and adds up to another T17, that would put me at 3 T17's total and 2 S9's and put me around 150 TH total 5 machines pushing almost as much as when I had 13 S9's lol -- just sucks that the price for the T17 is the same price as the one I ordered a while back but have to wait till mid December for - and add in that they screwed me cost wise on that one, the December one is more costly than the one I could order and have shipped within 7 days.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 06, 2019, 05:52:00 AM
consider it as cost averaging.

i have staggered orders of 💯 th

due

nov 14
nov 28
dec 20

they will be about 320th for about 8000

i had 100 th arrive on oct 28.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: wndsnb on November 06, 2019, 11:13:57 AM
Tweet from Bitmain suggests coupons are coming for orders shipped between 10/1 and 11/10.

https://twitter.com/Antminer_main/status/1191953585669640193?s=20

https://i.imgur.com/voXydDe.png (https://i.imgur.com/voXydDe.png)

https://i.imgur.com/guhnL5s.png (https://i.imgur.com/guhnL5s.png)


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: prpz on November 06, 2019, 05:14:48 PM
Oh nice
so 1/3 of my orders get a coupon
no word on orders S17Es that are second and third batch shipments nov 11-20 and nov 21-30?

Is the coupon per order or per miner if anyone who has used their coupons can answer I only used once a 375 off s17 pro it was within the 30% off
For example if i get a coupon for 800 or so and want to get s17+ at 2100 the coupon only knocks off about 630 off the other 170 is rendered useless I get that
but if I ordered two s17+ would it knock off the full 800 off 4200 ordered for two miners
I don't wanna risk it or mess it up as these coupons once attached to the order are a one time thing
if anyone has any experience with them being applied.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Epochjump on November 06, 2019, 11:26:10 PM
Yes you are correct. One per miner. They usually impose a limit as to how much it can take off the price overall. 50% and under maybe?? Though these days maybe that's not an issue. I suspect coupons are never for that much off these newer units. Used to happen with the S9's as they came down in price. For ex; You can't use a $350 coupon on a $435 unit price. It will tell you on the screen during the order process what is applicable.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on November 07, 2019, 03:24:36 AM
Yes you are correct. One per miner. They usually impose a limit as to how much it can take off the price overall. 50% and under maybe?? Though these days maybe that's not an issue. I suspect coupons are never for that much off these newer units. Used to happen with the S9's as they came down in price. For ex; You can't use a $350 coupon on a $435 unit price. It will tell you on the screen during the order process what is applicable.

the current $150 coupons state minimum cost has to be $400


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: prpz on November 07, 2019, 02:35:49 PM
Has anyone received tracking or shipping info that ordered s17E
Wondering if they actually are shipping these out on time ?
Nov 1-10 today is 7th tomorrow 8th and the weekend makes it 10th.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 07, 2019, 03:27:58 PM
I am Waiting for my t17e's

Payment Details

Total order amount:
$2705.85

Payment method:
BTC

Amount received:
$3569.85

Payment date:
2019-09-09 19:59:49

Exchange rate:
1 BTC=10270.99 USD

Payment by BTC:
$3569.85

Order Details

Commodity   Price   Quantity   Total Price

Antminer T17e

Shipping date: 1-10, Nov. 2019

$1233.00   2   $2466.00
Product Amount:   $2466.00
Shipping Cost:   $239.85
Total Amount:   $2705.85

Since I paid them

3569.85
2705.85

864   is due to me    since they never sent my 2x 57= 114 for my 2 s9k's   lets see how they do with this  864.

If they give me 2x  432 coupons I will buy more gear.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: prpz on November 07, 2019, 03:42:10 PM
19;59 payment time. Man I was at 19:06 still nothing
Not sure what coupon I might get since I paid just 2900 for one shipped
Iím assuming 800-900 but canít even use that amount in full on anything :(


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: wndsnb on November 07, 2019, 03:54:59 PM
Since I paid them

3569.85
2705.85

 864   is due to me    since they never sent my 2x 57= 114 for my 2 s9k's   lets see how they do with this  864.

If they give me 2x  432 coupons I will buy more gear.

If they live up to the terms as they were written on the listings for the "pre order" units, you'll get $864 in credit with no restrictions, not coupons. So you should be able to use the full $864 to buy a single miner.

From the current S17e pre order listing:
2. If the Actual Transaction Price of the product is lower than the Product Reference Price, the remaining amount will be generated in your account. You may use the remaining amount to purchase additional products at the Actual Transaction Price, or you may use the remaining amount to purchase other products shown on the website that are available for purchasing.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: prpz on November 08, 2019, 03:03:01 AM
Just received 2x 358 usd coupons non expiry 30% of the Value of the order maximum
I am not sure what they are from tho??? I hope itís not for my s17e split or something

Sept 9 ordered s17e (2727) sept 10 and 11 s17e (2683)
October 15 ordered s17 pro 50t (2503)
October 23 received coupon for 375usd
October 25 ordered s17 pro 50t (2128-used coupon 375)

Will have one of the two for sale if not both depending on what they are for.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 08, 2019, 03:12:44 AM
I just got two coupons  I got a really good one 683 or so  and I got one for 368.


looks like I can only buy the s17+ for 2111 - 683  as coupon cap is 700

the s17 pro 53th has a cap  of 658 coupon

the t17 42th has a cap of 358 coupon

So I could try to order t17 and try to use the 368 coupon.


or I could try to order the s17 pro 53th and use the 683 coupon  see what happens.

so  I was able to get the s17 pro 53th and use 600 of the 683 coupon.

so 1999.00 - 600 = 1399. + 119.99 to ship = 1519.07

for a 53th pro six months to pay

I have the 368 coupon on hand.

it would take about 320 off the t17  if someone wants to pay me for it let me know.

it would do full price on the other units.

I did not want to wait until late december to order the s73  but would have got the full 683 off  2111      vs 600 off 2000.

We now have :

2x s17's to bring to clifton now     103th
2x t17e's on order  due in a week 106th
1x s17 pro due in 10 days              53th
1x t17     due  dec 20                    40th
1x t17e   due  dec 20                     64th

2 avalon 1066 due nov 25            100th

453th  all online to add to 1025th   just under 1.5ph


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on November 08, 2019, 04:23:06 AM
I just got two coupons  I got a really good one 683 or so  and I got one for 368.

nice!


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: favebook on November 08, 2019, 11:29:46 AM
This is a mail I just got from Bitmain. However, even though I ordered one S17e (shipping between 1-10 November). I haven't got any coupons or credit on website, nor has it been shipped yet even though it is Friday (8th November).

https://imgur.com/a/lpQ5vL0 (https://imgur.com/a/lpQ5vL0)


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on November 08, 2019, 01:15:03 PM
This is a mail I just got from Bitmain. However, even though I ordered one S17e (shipping between 1-10 November). I haven't got any coupons or credit on website, nor has it been shipped yet even though it is Friday (8th November).

https://imgur.com/a/lpQ5vL0 (https://imgur.com/a/lpQ5vL0)

I got the same email - so for the T17 I ordered and paid 1075.30 for, it now shows the new price as 805 or 929.29 shipped - so I assume this means I will get a credit for 146.01 add that to the 150 coupon I have and may just buy another T17.

But I do not see the credit anywhere yet - do I have to wait for the Dec order to ship?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Epochjump on November 08, 2019, 01:19:58 PM
This is not a Bitmain originated email. It's a phishing scam to get you username and pass word. I would not reply to that.

Oh sorry, that IS a Bitmain email. I was wrong.

Official Bitmain email address; webmaster@bitmaintech.com


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 08, 2019, 01:23:06 PM
I think they will only send the coupons

Quote from: Bitmain
Please note that,
 
The coupons will be released before 8th November 2019.
The coupons will expire if the price of BTC exceeds 20, 000 USD for more than 3 consecutive days.
The coupons can only be applied to new purchases of any products on https://shop.bitmain.com/
The coupons will not be issued in cash and cannot be exchanged for cash. They can only be used to deduct the payment amount when you purchase our miners through https://shop.bitmain.com/
The coupons can be used for deducting a maximum of 30% of the order total amount (shipping fee not included).
During the purchase process, once a coupon has been selected and the order has been submitted, the coupon is deemed to have been used and cannot be used again, even if such an order is not fully paid.
Utilized coupons will NOT be returned once orders are submitted, be the orders valid or not.
Once an order is submitted, a coupon cannot be applied on it anymore as orders cannot be amended once they are submitted.
The coupons can be transferred to other usersí accounts on Bitmian shop.
The amount deducted by the use of a coupon or coupons cannot be invoiced.
The coupons can be transferred to other usersí accounts on www.bitmain.com.
To get a fast response from our team for any coupon related issues, please submit a ticket here
Bitmain reserves the right to revoke, change the value or limit the usage of all coupons mentioned above.
We apologize for any inconvenience our emails may have caused. You can find the instructions through links below:
Unsubscribe to other email subscriptions: https://support.bitmain.com/hc/en-us/articles/360006255013
Edit subscriptions: https://support.bitmain.com/hc/en-us/articles/360006254753-Edit-Subscription
 
Thank you for your continuous support and we look forward to servicing you again.
 
Best regards,
 
The Bitmain team

=  from my email

They are playing games  so  unless you printed the order and all info on the order the day you purchased you don't have much to stand on.

"Be happy you get a coupon."  (my belief in their plan as they will execute it.)

I  got 368 and 683 last night

Antminer S17 53 2019-10-21 to 2019-10-31 2322  = 683 coupon
Antminer S17 Pro 50 Shipping in 7 working days after fully paid 2128 =  368 coupon


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: wndsnb on November 08, 2019, 01:27:42 PM
I think they'll only give the credit when/after miners ship. The pre sale listings say that the "Actual Transaction Price" is set before delivery. I'd guess they might adjust the price again if there are any big moves before Dec.

I'm in the same boat, I have credit coming for S17s shipping in Dec. and just received coupons for S17 pros that were purchased and shipped last month.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 08, 2019, 01:39:23 PM
I would like to see what they do with that promised credit.

I did jump in and spend my 1x 683 coupon  I got 600 of it off on the s17 pro 53th  so 1399 + 119 to ship = 1518  we will see if it is a built in Malaysia model  which would save me some trump tax.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on November 08, 2019, 01:41:22 PM
an issue I just noticed is that my miner was supposed to ship Dec 21 - Dec 31. That email they sent states my shipment date is now Jan 1st to Jan 31st...

I now have to wait 2 weeks to a month longer? Is that why they are giving me 150 credit? If so, that sucks. especially as I can order a T17 today and pay almost the exact same price and get it shipped in a week and have it before Dec 1st but the one I ordered and paid for a month ago, I may not see until Feb?

on a side note - I also got this scam email trying to sell me miners, their address was not even similar to bitmains... I hope no one fell for this email.

https://i.ibb.co/ZY1LNV0/Capture.jpg (https://ibb.co/P9zmtNd)


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: wndsnb on November 08, 2019, 01:50:49 PM
I would like to see what they do with that promised credit.

I did jump in and spend my 1x 683 coupon  I got 600 of it off on the s17 pro 53th  so 1399 + 119 to ship = 1518  we will see if it is a built in Malaysia model  which would save me some trump tax.

Well, I'm going to wait and find out. I'm not ready to invest any more right now, but between credit (as it stands now) and coupons, I should be able to get a miner in Dec with $0 out of pocket. Now I'm hoping BTC price just stays at $9k until Jan...


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Epochjump on November 08, 2019, 01:52:43 PM
an issue I just noticed is that my miner was supposed to ship Dec 21 - Dec 31. That email they sent states my shipment date is now Jan 1st to Jan 31st...

I now have to wait 2 weeks to a month longer? Is that why they are giving me 150 credit? If so, that sucks. especially as I can order a T17 today and pay almost the exact same price and get it shipped in a week and have it before Dec 1st but the one I ordered and paid for a month ago, I may not see until Feb?

This is classic Bitmain Shenanigans. Sorry man. They're brutal.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: prpz on November 08, 2019, 03:10:00 PM
Received the two coupons for the s17 pros 368 each
Nothing for 3 s17e no credit yet
Plus it still has not shipped even the first one placed 6 minutes into the sale


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: NotFuzzyWarm on November 08, 2019, 03:32:59 PM
This is classic Bitmain Shenanigans. Sorry man. They're brutal.

and that ^^ is just one of the reasons that I refuse to support BM and switched to Canaan's Avalons several years ago. Ants may be more efficient but I will not tolerate nor do business with a company that operates like BM does.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: prpz on November 08, 2019, 03:48:28 PM
When you say 150 credit you mean 150 coupon ?
Where do these credits go ? Or where can you see them ?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on November 08, 2019, 03:52:41 PM
not sure how they will issue it. I see nothing on my account as of now.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 08, 2019, 04:38:54 PM
and that ^^ is just one of the reasons that I refuse to support BM and switched to Canaan's Avalons several years ago. Ants may be more efficient but I will not tolerate nor do business with a company that operates like BM does.

I have some a1066's on order due the end of the month.

service wise canaan is the best.

innosilicon is poor in many ways a long list can be made
pangolin/microbt I still don't know if it is the builder or reseller or both but they have fallen on hard times.
bitmain  is making the most efficient miner but they are a brutal company that practices nasty business. They would kill off BTC in 10 seconds if they had a new coin that made more for them. Ie BCH over BTC if they could force that on us they would.

My circumstances are such that I control and manage 200kwatts soon to be 400kwatts of power.  I get ľ of the power.  This allows me some choice of gear but not full choice.

We have
bitmain..................................... 450th    adding 250th
whatsminer/microbt/pangolin ...... 490th    adding    0th
canaan .....................................   66th    adding 100th
innosilicon ................................  100th    adding    0th
                                                  1106th   adding 350th = 1456th

we are looking into  the a1166  maybe 5 pieces which will be 330th

I also have a 368 coupon from bitmain and an 864 credit due on an order for 2 t17e's

I have no idea how they will deal with that credit as a commodity order.

but in theory I will be getting more gear from bitmain. as I may have 1200+ in coupons and credits coming.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: prpz on November 08, 2019, 08:31:03 PM
I guess it is safe to assume none of the s17E machines that were suppose to ship out nov 1-10 shipped out ?
Monday will be 11th, I donít think they ship out on the weekend and I havenít seen anyone receive shipping confirmation yet, still waiting for my first order placed and paid for 6 minutes after the sale went live on sept 9th for the first batch ....


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Philipma1957cellphone on November 08, 2019, 11:51:32 PM
they ship on sat. I have also had sun shipping from them.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: prpz on November 10, 2019, 09:26:32 PM
Wow good to know, thank you for that info, I've only had them ship out mainland to me on Tuesday between 130 am and 230 am lol....(eastern time)
thanks again for that info!

Well def no shipments or coupons or credit for my order yet, s17e Nov1-10th slightly disappointing to have had it placed 6 minutes into the sale going live and still nada ....


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: AlecMe on November 11, 2019, 03:00:36 AM
Well def no shipments or coupons or credit for my order yet, s17e Nov1-10th slightly disappointing to have had it placed 6 minutes into the sale going live and still nada ....

I wonder if my 11-21 nov order will be sent out on time


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 11, 2019, 03:03:36 AM
Well def no shipments or coupons or credit for my order yet, s17e Nov1-10th slightly disappointing to have had it placed 6 minutes into the sale going live and still nada ....

That has nothing to do with it.  They are late for all of us.

1 day and counting.

Figures I ordered a ton from them because they have yet to be late the entire year and now they are late.

Oh well.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: prpz on November 11, 2019, 06:02:40 AM
Just an update
I got my order shipped out a couple hours ago, just got the notification

Hopefully they ship out the second batch soon


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: favebook on November 11, 2019, 12:07:28 PM
Just an update
I got my order shipped out a couple hours ago, just got the notification

Hopefully they ship out the second batch soon

Same here, order should have been shipped between 1st and 10th of November, and it has been shipped today (11th) in the morning.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 11, 2019, 02:56:30 PM
I have yet to get my shipping info.

oh well


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: prpz on November 11, 2019, 03:05:08 PM
I have yet to get my shipping info.

oh well

Can confirm no coupon no credit  so far, no sure how when or what they will do but the invoice order  also got changed from roughly 2900 to 2100 with shipping, which is good less customs I have to pay.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Freemine-001010 on November 12, 2019, 09:06:26 AM
so do you guys think that the s17+ is going to follow this trend of shipping 2-4+ weeks late ,

im on the cusp of ordering through the guys at teslawatt as they are offering the miner

@ 2111.00 +250 = $2361.00 shipped  for the s17+ 74th @ 2900 watts +/- 5% ish

not sure if i should just pick up some of the available s17's  or other gear, maybe someone will post some s17e's

space is no issue , power at 7c per kwh running off peak 18 hrs a day,

i also was going to pick up some cheep s9's on ebay got last one for 177$ shipped 650 freq boards doing 15.5


Thanks , Hope these units get here soon want to see the real world specs,  

heard some mumblings that BM couldn't get chips , and now has a better supply
but who knows , ive chatted with 20+ sellers on Alibaba but not ready to buy more than
a few s9's for the right price


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 12, 2019, 12:26:46 PM
My 2  t17e  units shipped today the 12th   2 days late

they ship from malaysia   should mean only 2.6% tax vs 27.6%

If bitmain  does that they are good to go.  It is a guess at best.

teslawatt  has the gear in hand zero trump tax.  At least buy 1  or 2 of them from him.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: AlecMe on November 12, 2019, 12:38:55 PM
Got this from Bitmain regarding price adjustments:

Quote
Hello ******,

Thanks for your consultation!

1) The overpaid amount will be released after your order is shipped out and you can choose to use it in your new orders or refund.
2) If you choose refund, please follow up this ticket and we will guide you to provide the related refund info.

Please let us know if you have additional questions or concerns.

Best regards,
Carol
​BITMAIN


It appears so far that:
a. after order is shipped credit [possible coupon] or refund is given;
b. for a refund you have to contact them; and
c. finally, the order has to be shipped to be queued up for a refund/coupon-funds.

Do bear in mind it took 3 days to get this reply; guess they are understaffed at the moment.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on November 12, 2019, 01:00:53 PM


1) The overpaid amount will be released after your order is shipped out and you can choose to use it in your new orders or refund.
2) If you choose refund, please follow up this ticket and we will guide you to provide the related refund info.



well this blows, my existing order was supposed to ship mid December but now shows as mid January. I was hoping to use the credit I have coming to place another order now.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 12, 2019, 01:20:12 PM
I need to correct my earlier post.

My s17 pro 53th was shipped today and due thursday.

not my 2x 17e's

now my 2x 17e's  were paid 3569  and now are marked 2705  so that is 865.

they do not have a change in the 1-10 of nov date.

So they are now 2 days late.

If they gave me them and a 865 credit I would buy another s17 pro.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Epochjump on November 12, 2019, 01:22:42 PM
About a year ago Bitmain was on the brink of bankruptcy. It's really too bad that they didn't go over the edge. They are an insanely greedy Co that basically runs around raping and piledging everyone and everything that can put a $ in their swollen coffers. They are deceitful and self serving. Let's pray that the order of the Universe aligns against them and administers long overdue justice, to their cult of " Never enough money".


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 12, 2019, 01:29:49 PM
hmm  lots of hate for lots of asic builders.

Innosilicon ------------------------- screwed me somewhat this year
MicroBT/pangolin------------------  screwed me somewhat this year
Bitmain ---------------------------- screwed me somewhat  and could really hammer me  as I have:
  
2x t17e
1x t17
1x t17+    all on orders   cost me more then  6k

who is not on that list  Avalon  they did nothing wrong to me this year.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mgoz on November 12, 2019, 03:43:19 PM
Got this from Bitmain regarding price adjustments:

I received a different answer from same person, although your response appears more accurate based on the information that was on the site when I ordered. Coupons were only to be provided based on price after shipment and only if price lower than purchase price within 10 days after shipment.

Quote
Thanks for your consultation!

The overpai amount was already released in your account, now you have credit of 284USD.
You can choose to use it in your new orders or refund after the order is shipped out, thanks.

Please let us know if you have additional questions or concerns.

Best regards,
Carol
​BITMAIN


As you can see, they told me it was already released and that I have a credit, however, I have no coupons or credit showing on my account currently and see nothing when trying to place an order. Unless their pricing remains the same, my actual credit can be more or less depending on price once it ships.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 12, 2019, 04:07:50 PM
yeah this is what they did with my s9k units.

i finall received a mysterious coupon which may have been for the s9k.  since it was 2x 57 = 114. and the coupon was for more.  i did not freak out.

in the case of my two t17e units it is 865 i dont want to get screwed on this.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: prpz on November 12, 2019, 04:18:04 PM
[...]

Let me know how this goes I am also in chat with them as well this is what I got.  I id take credit or refund anything but coupon I have two 368$ I can't sell for 50% of the value considering I should be getting about 3x800+ in credits much rather anything but coupon if possible
My order shipped out a little over a day ago

Quote from: Bitmain
Thanks for your consultation!

Your order is ready for shipment and will be shipped out soon. You can choose to refund after your order is shipped out.

Please let us know if you have additional questions or concerns.

Best regards,
Carol
​BITMAIN


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Freemine-001010 on November 12, 2019, 04:50:00 PM
My 2  t17e  units shipped today the 12th   2 days late

they ship from malaysia   should mean only 2.6% tax vs 27.6%

If bitmain  does that they are good to go.  It is a guess at best.

teslawatt  has the gear in hand zero trump tax.  At least buy 1  or 2 of them from him.

i dont think anyone has the s17+  74 th model yet ,  every supplier has only offered the pre-order for dec 21-31 ship date,
i just haven't found a miner with the hashrate/power/price,   to match up, the efficiency is really what i need as we all do  ;D


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: favebook on November 13, 2019, 11:00:50 AM
Just some notes about these "Credit" as they call it in Bitmain:

Quote from: Carol
In addition, now you have credit of 853USD, you can choose to use it in your new orders or refund. If you choose refund, you need to provide a valid BTC wallet address, thanks.

- Carol

Quote from: Bella
Customer cannot see credit, but can ask us to move your credit to new order.
Please note new order should be with USD/Paypal payment method.

- Bella

Since those are the conditions of using it. I am going to refund it and we will see how that whole process goes.
Figured, some might find this info useful.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on November 13, 2019, 01:14:18 PM
so - for refund they will give btc? but for using it as credit to a new order, the new order cannot be in btc? what malarkey is this?

I have a "credit" that I want to use to place an order right now for another 17 series miner but they also told me I have to wait until my existing order ships.... why is that? in case the price changes again and hence the credit changes?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 13, 2019, 01:46:57 PM
Just some notes about these "Credit" as they call it in Bitmain...

Remind me to give you some merit for this. I am waiting until the 19 th of Nov to send merit again as I am try to figure out if I have a
25
30
50

point merit source
I last gave out merits on the 18th of oct.

Back to this post and bitmain in general.

I have a s17 pro in transit it shipped from and was built in malaysia so tax is 48 dollars not 550 like my last two from China.
Right now I have a 368 coupon
I also have 2x t17e that I paid 3569 and are listed at 2704   so I should get a 865 credit.
This gear still says Nov 1-10 shipping time.  it is the 13th  I am fairly annoyed about it as I would certainly use the 865 credit on another s17pro since It is built in and comes from Malaysia.  so 1999-865 = 1134+ 120+50 = 1304 net  with tax and shipping.
I would also use my 368 coupon on the s17 pro   and 1999-368 = 1631 + 120 + 50 = 1801 net.

I am delayed due to bitmain on two orders I just mentioned.

Worse off is the  not knowing   if the 2x t17e  will ship from malaysia  and be counting as a 3330 sale   tax of 70  or if they ship from china and are tax at 830

So
2x t17e  late and     will tax be 70 or 830
1x t17    due in dec  will tax be 25 or 270
1x t17+  due in dec  will tax be 50 or 550

not knowing the tax 145 or 1600   or maybe one from column a and two from column b  for a total of 890  makes doing business hard.

In a perfect world  I get all the gear on the low tax 145

I buy 2 more s17 pro for 3105 total.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mgoz on November 13, 2019, 04:21:25 PM
I have a "credit" that I want to use to place an order right now for another 17 series miner but they also told me I have to wait until my existing order ships.... why is that? in case the price changes again and hence the credit changes?

Based on what was posted above and what they told me this morning, you don't need to wait until order ships, but you need to place the order with PayPal and then inform them of the order ID for them to apply the credit. You could wait until order ships to see if they actually put coupons on your account. It's not clear if they will be doing that or not, but you can apply existing credit based on latest pricing update they sent out. I would expect them to apply coupons after shipping, otherwise people aren't going to easily know what their "hidden credit" is or how to use it without contacting support. If you apply the credit now, you're at least guaranteed the credit won't reduce, but it could technically increase as well.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on November 13, 2019, 04:39:38 PM
yea, but paying with paypal wont work for me. I would have to cash out btc to fiat and then place the order. I do not wish to go that route, I will have to wait for a refund. I have an existing coupon I want to use with the refund/credit as well.

I emailed them 3 days ago and still waiting for a response.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: prpz on November 13, 2019, 07:05:30 PM
Emailed them today as well asking for a refund of the difference of one of the orders that have shipped out and provided them a bitcoin address, will update if I get anything or if they roadblock me with a coupon or whatnot


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mikeywith on November 13, 2019, 09:58:24 PM
i finall received a mysterious coupon which may have been for the s9k.  since it was 2x 57 = 114. and the coupon was for more.  i did not freak out.

My case was different , they didn't give me any coupons for the S9ks , however they have reduced the remaining amount I have to pay for the Antminer T17e December batch, i got a little over 230$ discount, plus i used a 150$ coupon for that, got me a 200$ coupon which i sold for about 100$ if i am not mistaken, so i got this T17e for really cheap, so i can't complain.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 13, 2019, 11:56:19 PM
since I  have not got an answer on the s9k  I sent this today.

Quote
Nov 13 at 6:44 PM

Bitmain <support@bitmainhelp.zendesk.com>
To: philipma1957 <phil******@ y*** . com>
##- Please type your reply above this line -##
Dear philipma1957
Thanks for reaching out to Bitmain!
Our working hours are 9am-6pm Beijing time (GMT+8) from Monday to Friday.
We are working hard to respond quickly to every query. Thank you for your patience.
To add additional comments, reply to this email.
For more information and assistance, please refer to our FAQ page: https://support.bitmain.com/hc/en-us
   
philipma1957
Nov 14, 07:44 CST

I have never received a proper answer to my question on Order ID: 00120190******** 2019-08-08 *******

I paid you $798.91 you said the order was only 684.91

I am due a credit of 114.00.

I have multiple PayPal orders right now I would like a credit of 114 to my pay pal order payment Order ID: 001201******* was paid with PayPal. on 2019-10-16 ******

I paid 1083.06 with my PayPal account. I am going to request a refund of 114 via my PayPal account.

Please get back to me on this. As I am due a larger refund on an other order.
I want these credits please. reply soon.

Philip ******* also known as philipma1957 of bitcointalk.org

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Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: favebook on November 14, 2019, 01:57:13 AM
The only thing that is worrying me about the refund of these credits is what price will they take into account.
Will they take the price when I asked for refund (yesterday- 8750$), will they take the price of order (2019.09.09.-10256$)- I HOPE NOT, or will they take the price when they actually refund (which can be any day they choose).


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on November 14, 2019, 02:32:42 AM
The only thing that is worrying me about the refund of these credits is what price will they take into account.
Will they take the price when I asked for refund (yesterday- 8750$), will they take the price of order (2019.09.09.-10256$)- I HOPE NOT, or will they take the price when they actually refund (which can be any day they choose).

my guess is they do whatever nets them more - when I did an order to try their 50% up front and 50% later (I paid only a few weeks after the first payment) the first half was when bitcoin was worth 8341.43 - when I made the second payment, I scanned their QR code and it told my wallet how much to send (USD) which my wallet sent that value - the problem was that bitcoin was worth 9610.92. Bitmain claimed I owed them still another $72 worth of BTC because they were valuing BTC at the 8300 price not the 9600 price. They said they do so to be more fair to their customers.... I am sure that if when I made the second payment, if BTC would have been worth 7,000 they would have not honored the 8341.43 price, nor would I expect them to. But in this case BTC was worth more so they used the lower value to get more BTC.

I will never do the 50/50 payment again unless I know that BTC will plummet in value right after the first payment so that my second payment will be worth more - but of course, how would I ever know that?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 14, 2019, 04:13:40 AM
Okay I finally got a reply about my order for 2x  s9k's  I am owed $114 and have been promised a refund in BTC.
So for the record a redacted version of the email is below.

Quote
Re: [Bitmain] Re: my credit for order number
Nov 13 at 11:05 PM

PHILIP A###### <philipa######@ yahoo . com>
To: Bitmain <support+id584976@ bitmainhelp . zendesk. com>
Cc: Philip A###### <philipa###### @ yahoo . com>

On Wednesday, November 13, 2019, 10:55:16 PM EST, Carol (Bitmain) <support @ bitmainhelp . zendesk . com> wrote:

My reply > My BTC address is :

146UJM5kgzLVUV23CXCf33KQKHckoX1gx3

https : // www . blockchain . com/en/btc/address/146UJM5kgzLVUV23CXCf33KQKHckoX1gx3

Please send 114 usd in btc to that address.

Thank you,

Philip A######

aka philipma1957 of bitcointalk.org
<my reply is in bold

##- Please type your reply above this line -##

Your request (#5#####) has been updated. To add additional comments, reply to this email or click the link below:
https : // support . bitmain . com/hc/requests/5#####

Carol (Bitmain)
Nov 14, 11:55 CST

Hello philipma1957,

Thanks for your consultation!

Yes, there is credit of 114USD in your order ID 00120190########.
According to our policy, the refund should be processed via BTC since you paid the order via BTC.
Please kindly provide a valid BTC wallet address used for refund and 114USD will be transferred to BTC according to the real time excahnge rate when our finance team doing the refund.

Please let us know if you have additional questions or concerns.

Best regards,
Carol
​BITMAIN

We appreciate your feedback: https : // www . surveymonkey . com/r/bitmainsurvey
Kindly beware of phishing scams and always verify the domain name. Product sales and payments are handled exclusively via our official website (www.bitmain.com). Bitmain does not solicit payments via any other websites or channels. Please see blog. bitmain . com/en/tag/scam.
** "Solved" means we replied - we may still be working on your issue.

I will post on this once a week

@ frodocooper  I would like a suggestion or input from you as to how to create a thread  to help get refunds for people on these new policies from bitmain. I would not have tried on my $114 refund if not for others posting here.  I also have  a much larger one due for about 865 I kind of want to make a thread for others like me.  Maybe a sticky or something.  Fell free to  pm  your ideas on this.

Phil


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on November 14, 2019, 04:44:19 AM
...

at least you got a reply - I asked about my refund/credit almost 4 days ago now.


also --- Now that Bitmain owes me a refund of 152.01 or 0.01822347 BTC based on the value of BTC at the time of purchase, 8341.44. Or because BTC is worth more and Bitmain owes me (instead of me owing them) is Bitmain going to claim that the refund will be processed at current BTC value?

basically meaning they will give me less BTC??

While that would be the fair answer overall - it would not be fair since they did not afford me that luxury when I was paying for my miner, BTC was near 9500 and they made me pay BTC amounts based on the 8300 value above because that was the value at the time I placed my order.

I cannot wait to hear the answer to this... I really expect them to be hypocrites and claim that they will do it at current BTC value, as that will save them BTC.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 14, 2019, 04:57:50 AM
at least you got a reply - I asked about my refund/credit almost 4 days ago now...

this why i am thinking of a thread for refunds/credits/coupons.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: favebook on November 14, 2019, 10:40:21 AM
Bitmain has yet again lowered the prices of almost all if not all units. I noticed they added back T17e and T17+ as well. However, S17+ has been pulled from shop as it is probably sold out.

T17+ price looks really attractive.

Also S17 Pro - 53 TH/s has been lowered from 1999$ to 1599$ so make of that what you wish, but I think new miners are on the way.

Current prices before shipping:

Antminer S17 Pro - 53 TH/s - 1599$ (7 day shipping)
Antminer T17 - 42 TH/s -1003$ (7 day shipping)
Antminer T17 - 42 TH/s- 898$ (shipping in January)
Antminer T17+ 64 TH/s - 1368$ (shipping in January)
Antminer T17e - 50 TH/s - 1068$ (shipping in January)
Antminer S17e - 60 TH/s - 1508$ (shipping in end of December)
Antminer S9k - 14 TH/s - 138$ (7 day shipping)
Antminer S9SE - 16TH/s - 430$ (7 day shipping)


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: wndsnb on November 14, 2019, 11:51:03 AM
Also S17 Pro - 53 TH/s has been lowered from 1999$ to 1599$ so make of that what you wish, but I think new miners are on the way.

20%, that's another big drop. Another round of coupons on the way?

As for "new miners on the way", that seems about right. Drop the price to sell out all stock, then release something more efficient at the same $/TH. Then send out coupons to all the people they just screwed to entice them to throw more $ at them... hard to get out of the cycle once they drag you in.

5nm is still a long way off (probably post-halving), but I could see them releasing a final optimization of the 7nm to get a few % better efficiency to ride out the time until the halving and 5nm.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: AlecMe on November 14, 2019, 01:26:55 PM
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I cannot wait to hear the answer to this... I really expect them to be hypocrites and claim that they will do it at current BTC value, as that will save them BTC.

I somehow agree with Stryfe, but to be honest I am happy am getting something back.

Also, if they would refund you at BTC current value ($8601.54) you would get 0.01767242, the difference with yours (0.01822347) would be 0.00055106 BTC.

That is the amount that 2x s9j can generate in a whole day not including any expenses.

Now, since, the s9 era is/has drawn to an end this amount is what you can generate in half a day with a T17+ (64th) it does not seem that much of big deal.
I would prefer them to be fair and stick to the price of the time of purchase, as it would be fair, no matter if this would involve to pay more or less and have this clearly written in their conditions. At least for the next time if not now  8)

As for their guerilla marketing approach, I do not agree as well, but still, find them a bit better than others.
Maybe they will change in the future?  ;D


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 14, 2019, 01:27:23 PM
I have 1 coupon  for 368  buying yet 1 more s17 pro looks tempting.  1599-368 = 1231 + 120 to ship =1351  and maybe no trump tax.  With paypal six months no interest.

I talked with frodocooper about a special thread on the bitmain coupon/refund situation it is a very unusual deal they are doing so I will be able to create this thread in hardware as a one time exception .  i.e. we do not want it to get lost in service discussion. As the thread may help out more then 1 or 2 or even 10 forum members. To get their fair refund/credits/coupons.

Edit I used my 368 coupon and purchased 1 more s17pro.  Cost was  1350 with shipping after coupon. If I get another Malaysia unit I will be at 40 for tax about 1390 usd for a unit that sold for over 3000 less then a month ago.  Yeah  I got caught up on 2 s17pro's and paid 4900 + 1200 = 6100 for 2 pieces.

But  with trump tax not applied due to  Malaysia builds  the next 2 cost  1550 and 1350 = 2900 for 2 pieces.

so with cost averaging 4 for 9000 = 2250 a piece.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: prpz on November 14, 2019, 08:56:10 PM
Got my first s17E in my hands today.
Itís arrived itís bigger that the s17pros slightly quieter havenít observed it too much had to pop out to work
7 min avg was only 63th but Iím sure it will climb up and end up around 64 !
Temps also look good but I do have it by the window and I live in Canada currently -8C

Edit
Been around 9 hours machine is 63.85Th Avg
temps are 61 59 60 pcb and chip 68 69 67
Fans are 2880 2880 3720 3720
Frequency is 436 417 435 errors 0.0000%
Firmware is from Nov 2 2019
Psu is definitely hotter than the s17 pros


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 15, 2019, 02:54:31 PM
Got my first s17E in my hands today.
Itís arrived itís bigger that the s17pros slightly quieter havenít observed it too much had to pop out to work
7 min avg was only 63th but Iím sure it will climb up and end up around 64 !
Temps also look good but I do have it by the window and I live in Canada currently -8C

Edit
Been around 9 hours machine is 63.85Th Avg
temps are 61 59 60 pcb and chip 68 69 67
Fans are 2880 2880 3720 3720
Frequency is 436 417 435 errors 0.0000%
Firmware is from Nov 2 2019
Psu is definitely hotter than the s17 pros

Any idea on  how much power it is using?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: prpz on November 15, 2019, 05:00:38 PM
firmware reset got the hashboard up and running lets see how it holds up.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mikeywith on November 15, 2019, 07:05:21 PM
Temps also look good but I do have it by the window and I live in Canada currently -8C
temps are 61 59 60 pcb

This is bad , real bad I guess , according to this normal miner operation temps from bitmain >https://support.bitmain.com/hc/en-us/articles/360005088914-Miner-normal-operating-temperature-range

it mentions max PCB for S17e is 80c , if it's freezing -8c and the miner is sitting by window, how the heck is it going to be in a hot place like my country where temps in the summer go to as high as 40c ? pretty sure I am going to toast those guys with the standard cooling I have.

I received my T17 40th today (spot order) i set fans at 95% as i usually do to all my gears since fans are dirt cheap and noise is not an issue in that particular farm, PCB temp is ranging at around 50 , outside temp is 21c and the max pcb temp on bitmain states 75 for this gear , so i guess the T17 will still run fine in the summer, but i am not sure about the S17e, guess i will have to improve the air ventilation there if i ever decide to get those S17e.

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Kernel log goes thru the generic 0 asic found msg

a loose heatsink may cause this issue, did you try to shake the miner to inspect any noise coming of the heatsink?  also placing the miner horizontally may fix this if the heatsink is just about falling, you still have to get it fixed anyway, but it's good to know what went wrong.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: prpz on November 15, 2019, 07:58:51 PM
After the firmware reset the unit is much more aggressive
The fans went up to 4200 4200 5160 5160
The temps stayed the same pcb 59 60 62 chips 67 67 70
But the has avg is up to 66.7TH
Up for an hour now will update if any changes

Any idea on  how much power it is using?

Got it up for over 3 hours
no idea on actual power consumption its running beside two s17 pro 50th and it running a few Cs less on board and chip (the S17 pros are in turbo mode at 56.5Th)
I can tell you by walking behind them the S17E is producing definitely significantly hotter air I don't doubt its running 3200 possibly 3300, its mostly hashing at 67Th

If there is a meter or something I can grab off amazon (I have prime so two day shipping) that allows me to plug it into I would love to have for a measure
I am using Nema 6-20P receptacles (Leviton 5822-W 20-Amp, 250-Volt)  so I would need it to plug into that
running one miner per dual outlet on a dual pole 240 breaker.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 15, 2019, 11:12:48 PM
use

edit let me look more

this works

https://www.amazon.com/SF-Cable-Prong-Adapter-60320-C14/dp/B004OC579E/

all below is good

and this

https://www.amazon.com/NEMA-5-15P-C13-Splitter-Cord/dp/B00W5LJQKM/

with this meter in-between

https://www.amazon.com/Electricity-Monitor-Voltage-Overload-Protection/dp/B07DPJ3RGB/

don't run it more then 30  - 60 minutes to get your readings.

It is not good enough to run more then 30 to 60 minutes.

So attach the  plug to one of your 13c power cables  and to the meter

then attach the splitter to the meter  then run  for under an hour should work. may not


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: favebook on November 27, 2019, 10:51:50 PM
Due to stupidity of customs in my country, I've just received my S17e which should have been at my place at 15th of November.

However, I will try to avoid swearing and spitting on my country's customs and give you some useful info.

It's been running for 3 hours on ViaBTC (due to their current discounts and gifts, however I will switch it to Slushpool as soon as the event finishes).

Unit came with Nov 2 firmware which I guess is newest and it started at 68TH/s and slowly went down to 67.3TH/s (will see how much it goes down but I guess it will not go below 66.9 due to my next sentence).

Here is a Kernel Log code explaining why it probably will not go under 66.9 and some avg temps:

Code:
2019-11-27 19:48:02 frequency.c:161:get_ideal_hash_rate_GH: ideal_hash_rate = 66971
2019-11-27 19:48:02 frequency.c:180:get_sale_hash_rate_GH: sale_hash_rate = 64000
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2019-11-27 22:18:19 thread.c:188:calc_hashrate_avg: avg rate is 67203.41 in 30 mins
2019-11-27 22:18:19 temperature.c:465:temp_statistics_show:   pcb temp 35~61  chip temp 55~70
2019-11-27 22:48:21 thread.c:188:calc_hashrate_avg: avg rate is 67323.05 in 30 mins
2019-11-27 22:48:21 temperature.c:465:temp_statistics_show:   pcb temp 34~61  chip temp 55~69


I will measure power usage tomorrow and will edit this post when I get actual numbers.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: taserz on November 28, 2019, 12:04:03 AM
I have 1 coupon  for 368  buying yet 1 more s17 pro looks tempting.  1599-368 = 1231 + 120 to ship =1351  and maybe no trump tax.  With paypal six months no interest.

I talked with frodocooper about a special thread on the bitmain coupon/refund situation it is a very unusual deal they are doing so I will be able to create this thread in hardware as a one time exception .  i.e. we do not want it to get lost in service discussion. As the thread may help out more then 1 or 2 or even 10 forum members. To get their fair refund/credits/coupons.

Edit I used my 368 coupon and purchased 1 more s17pro.  Cost was  1350 with shipping after coupon. If I get another Malaysia unit I will be at 40 for tax about 1390 usd for a unit that sold for over 3000 less then a month ago.  Yeah  I got caught up on 2 s17pro's and paid 4900 + 1200 = 6100 for 2 pieces.

But  with trump tax not applied due to  Malaysia builds  the next 2 cost  1550 and 1350 = 2900 for 2 pieces.

so with cost averaging 4 for 9000 = 2250 a piece.

I am assuming they rewarded you with hefty coupons for preordering at such a premium?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 28, 2019, 12:13:29 AM
I am assuming they rewarded you with hefty coupons for preordering at such a premium?

I GUESS it is what they did.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: taserz on November 28, 2019, 12:15:50 AM
I GUESS it is what they did.

They sure compensated you super well for being one of the first to jump on the new product...... I hate them sometimes honestly.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mikeywith on November 28, 2019, 12:40:38 AM
They sure compensated you super well for being one of the first to jump on the new product...... I hate them sometimes honestly.

I think phill knows that, but honestly they didn't compensate him fairly, you buy a gear for say 2500$ , one month later the gear drops to 1700$ , they send you a 600$ coupon which if you were to sell , you would never get 100% of it's face value, so you are only left with one logical option, which what he did , buy the discounted gear using the coupon just in an attempt to average the current miner's price, which will never happen.

if you haven't heart yet,  Jihan wu is back and he is probably responsible for all the price drops, he makes every other gear made by competitors look and smell like a terrible deal, and in the process of doing so,  everyone  including resllers and clients are getting screwed.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: taserz on November 28, 2019, 01:00:35 AM
That was sarcasm Mikey! Btw Marco was awesome bought a coupon off him. But yeah Wu is a little fuck head. But at the same time I like cheap gear.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 28, 2019, 12:55:56 PM
That was sarcasm Mikey! Btw Marco was awesome bought a coupon off him. But yeah Wu is a little fuck head. But at the same time I like cheap gear.

He is on my what ceo died last night list ::)


Every morning I google   Wu and Cook


Bimain's Jihan Wu

https://www.bing.com/search? bitmain's Jihan Wu

Apple's Tim Cook

https://www.bing.com/search? apple's Tim Cook


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mikeywith on November 28, 2019, 01:56:45 PM

I know you know how it works, phill knows  and everyone who has been around long enough knows what bitmain really is, but that post was for the newbies who think bitmain are kind and moral for giving out coupons like that.

Marco is a trusted dude i bought a truck load of coupons of him last year, as for Jihan and the cheap gears i would love to hear from you next month or two when the gears you bought fall 30% in price   ;D


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Philipma1957cellphone on November 28, 2019, 05:36:48 PM
I would estimate the s17 pro can sell at 800 + shipping and still turn a profit.  I can see it at that price after 1/2 ing happens.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Biodom on November 30, 2019, 02:42:05 AM
Re price after halving-depends on btc price.

For me, both S17e and T17E came from China, urgh.
Taxes were about $493 for S17e and $360 for T17e.

Compare with s17pro from MY at $52 tax.
Why not switch ALL assembly to MY?
Oh, well.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on November 30, 2019, 02:53:11 AM
this uncertainty makes it really hard for me to order from them.

i think i may have ended my orders for 2019.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Biodom on November 30, 2019, 05:45:43 AM
this uncertainty makes it really hard for me to order from them.

i think i may have ended my orders for 2019.

Yes, I am done as well.
Not sure if it is OK to say here that I might sell coupons.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on November 30, 2019, 04:02:19 PM
Yes, I am done as well.
Not sure if it is OK to say here that I might sell coupons.

pm me if you do - i may be interested.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: PopoJeff on December 03, 2019, 01:43:23 PM
My S17e arrived yesterday.   $492 tariff paid.

Up and running immediately, and looking just fine. I did notice it has no power settings for low power/ normal.  Just one set speed


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Searing on December 03, 2019, 10:18:44 PM
IF you look at the bitmain site on the technical specs..they seem to be doing this now. I assume it is for the newer released stuff and ALL will go on this route now. I suspect it is because to get the performance and hashing out of the same chips but just making bigger and bigger boxes there is not slack now. Maybe I'm wrong, but I suspect this will be the case. Anyway, others on this thread may have a workaround on this whole one setting thing..I'm just guessing.

But is there a workaround? Or are you simply stuck with this one power setting?

Brad


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: favebook on December 03, 2019, 11:57:04 PM
There are no "power settings" per se. You just power it on and it works on default speed (auto detects best frequency and power draw (voltage), as far as I can see). In General settings you can only edit pool info. But as usual you can access Advanced Settings by typing:

Code:
http://192.168.0.12/cgi-bin/minerAdvanced.cgi

instead of:

Code:
http://192.168.0.12/cgi-bin/minerStatus.cgi

However, miner totally ignores any frequency you give to it and forwards with its auto-speed default setting.
Frequency usually ranges between 423 and 438.
Also as I said previously, it has this line near the end of Kernel Log:

Code:
frequency.c:161:get_ideal_hash_rate_GH: ideal_hash_rate = 66971

Which probably indicates it's target speed. So far after few restarts, it worked between 68 and 67 TH/s, however, after 24h or so, it would drop to around 66 TH/s which is still higher than rated 64 TH/s that is also indicated near the end of Kernel Log via this line:

Code:
frequency.c:180:get_sale_hash_rate_GH: sale_hash_rate = 64000


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mochaaa on December 04, 2019, 02:37:48 AM
limiting the under/overclock is probably to sell binned chips for more as an (e/+) model


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Searing on December 04, 2019, 03:37:29 AM
hmmm...

well, do you figure they maxed the puppies out to get more into a box? Or is that overkill and not needed? In other words are they reaching a limit on how these puppies are made size wise?

not getting any anyway..some people have hobbies... I sit in the ASIC bleachers and 'mope' about my ONE never to ROI Bitmain S9i on https://slushpool.com.

Ack! Far I have fallen from my ASIC Miner addiction and my 'glory' days. Well, hell, at least I can watch and eat popcorn!

Brad


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on December 04, 2019, 04:35:33 AM
the t17e is not much. one speed and pulls 3356 watts

gear like this is poorly designed and serves not much purpose.

as 3356/53th = not too good.

it runs hot in a very well vented room.

i do not recomend buying the t17e or the s17e.

the s17 and s17 pro are better since they have multiple speeds.

yeah i know run gear hard and fast seems good way to earn coins.

well the gear breaks and overheating happens.

if you can cool or vent gear ⚙️ properly it is okay. but lots of us donít ac we only vent .

in the summer turning gear down is good option.  and the 17e gear does not have it.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: favebook on December 04, 2019, 06:08:16 AM
How much do you wanna bet that they will add sleep mode and/or Low Power mode in firmware for 17e models as soon as btc halving happens?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Searing on December 04, 2019, 06:43:16 PM
[...]

Again, good to know, from those of us on the sidlelines I always wondered what the difference was between T17 and S17 and S17 pro was. I assume the S17 pro has the better bin'd chips and such? Perhaps firmware improvements besides speed settings?

(munches popcorn in bleachers..till 10c kWh mining comes back, I'm on the injured reserved list for ASIC mining! :)

Brad


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on December 04, 2019, 07:15:33 PM
the s17 pro controller will work on my s17. it will show the gear as a s17 pro.

it will do the lowest setting flawlessly.

it needs an occasional reboot on middle speed.

it does not do well on turbo runs very hot and shuts down.

but the low setting it is very good.

i only played around with one s17 as i only have 1 s17.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mochaaa on December 04, 2019, 07:22:17 PM
the s17 responds extremely well to underclocking/volting in testing, so far


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on December 04, 2019, 07:46:09 PM
the s17 responds extremely well to underclocking/volting in testing, so far

yeah i can get good numbers with mine.

i purchased a s17/s17pro controller as a spare .

it can flash to either one so i made it a s17 pro controller.

put in place of the s17 and tested the mod.

very happy with low setting.

all this is in prep for 1/2 ing if needed i can go more efficient.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: mochaaa on December 05, 2019, 02:14:35 AM
sure hope we can get into the t17 variants to undervolt


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Stryfe on December 05, 2019, 02:15:43 AM
sure hope we can get into the t17 variants to undervolt

would be a nice option around halving. I only have the T17 variants and no S17 variants.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: taserz on December 05, 2019, 03:47:28 PM
I should have a firmware for T17 and S17 within a day. There was a bug getting the T17 chips to autotune. Think we got it ironed out and it should hopefully be working. If it works after some testing I will have a thread for the firmware within a day or two.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on December 05, 2019, 03:56:35 PM
I am so looking forward to playing with the t17.   will this cover the t17e and t17+?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: taserz on December 05, 2019, 04:04:05 PM
It will cover T17e as well. At least it should I will double check but it appears the T17e and T17 are the same machine E just better chips from asic lottery. The + models are different machines and won't be supported right off the bat. Early testing shows the ability to downvote up to 25% but I have not yet found the magic number for best performance and th/s yet. Someone will probably beat me to finding the best settings. I am pretty excited for the downclock so I can stop running my pdu's at a stupid high load.

Edit: T17e has more chips and is a different machine so no. Original firmware posted will just work for only T17.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: favebook on December 10, 2019, 01:16:48 PM
But is there a workaround? Or are you simply stuck with this one power setting?

It seems that @AlecMe found a workaround for T17e which also works for S17e. You can check his guide here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203927.0).

However, in these 2 images that I posted you can see what you should change and what are the results:

This is how options look for S17e. All I had to do was go inspect elements and change "display:none" to "display:HERE" (I used caps so it can be visible on picture), you can use anything instead of "HERE".
https://imgur.com/a/teF805s
https://imgur.com/a/llVh1A2
As my pictures still won't show up here even after I tried changing resolutions you will have 2 links bellow with full resolution.

Inspect elements edit: https://imgur.com/a/ITxeDRQ
Result in Miner Configuration: https://imgur.com/a/VNlcVUK

I am yet to test all the options so I still cannot recommend meddling with this.

EDIT:
Using fan control worked without any problems.
Usable %:0-100 but lowest I tried was 30% and as soon as temps reach 78C fans would ramp up to 100% and go back down to 30% until it reaches "Critical Temperature" again. It was annoying at least, and dangers at most as 80C is limit for S17e.

Using different modes didn't do anything noticeable in miner status (will have to check Kernel Log for more data) except the starting speed, on Sleep Mode and Normal Mode it would start as high as 68TH/s and slowly goes down to 66TH/s (sometimes it takes days) and on Low Power, it starts at 65TH/s and slowly goes up to stable 66TH/s.

Changing Voltage does not do anything as it still goes back to its 1850 default.

Increasing Frequency does not do anything as it auto-tunes itself to 438/423/437 (respectively) in my case (yours may vary).


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: PopoJeff on December 23, 2019, 06:41:10 PM
Rec'd email today:

Quote
Chita (Bitmain)
Dec 23, 18:51 CST

Dear PopoJeff,

Weíre terribly sorry to inform you that stock of S17e 64T in your order ID 0012019100801087 is insufficient.

Now we trying to solve the issue by offering product update from S17e 64T to S17e 60T. If you agree with the solution, please kindly help reply to this email for confirmation as soon as possible, and then we will send you a special link to place a new S17e 60T order immediately. Please also take note that USD shall be chosen as the payment mode of your new S17e order.

Additionally, the price of one unit S17e 64T, 21-31,Dec. batch is $1433. The price difference of S17e 64T and S17e 60T be remained as balance under your account, for the specific usage rule of balance.
Please feel free to contact us, we will guide you accordingly.

Regards,
Chita
Bitmain

I replied, asking for an S17+ instead.



Edit:

  Rec'd reply:
Quote
   
Chita (Bitmain)
Dec 24, 12:03 CST

Sorry, can not change S17e to S17+

So i asked them to cancel this order, since they cannot fulfill the correct product. And apply value to acct credit.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: foucss on December 24, 2019, 10:37:48 AM
same here

Thanks for your reply.
After checking with our manager, we can move the payment to your new order with S17+
please make new order from our website, then tell us the new order ID, thanks

Best regards,
Bella
​BITMAIN


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: favebook on December 24, 2019, 12:45:25 PM
same here

Thanks for your reply.
After checking with our manager, we can move the payment to your new order with S17+
please make new order from our website, then tell us the new order ID, thanks

Best regards,
Bella
​BITMAIN

Woah, nice, I was hoping that would work. I got the same problem, but I had T17+ which they want to downgrade from 64 to 58TH/s, I said "no, please go for upgrade to S17+, I will pay difference (in BTC!)". Additionally, $80 difference and 1 month prior shipping would have been a good option for me but I have T17e in that same order, so I really do not know how they plan to do this as I do not want to pay shipping for 2 units separately.

Tho, this was their mail:
Quote from: Chita
Dear Filip,

Weíre terribly sorry to inform you that stock of T17+ 64T in your order ID 001201----------- is insufficient.

Now we trying to solve the issue by offering product update from T17+ 64T to T17+ 58T. If you agree with the solution, please kindly help reply to this email for confirmation as soon as possible, and then we will send you a special link to place a new T17+ 58T order immediately. Please also take note that USD shall be chosen as the payment mode of your new T17+ order.

Additionally, the price of one unit 58T T17+, 11-20,Dec. batch is $1203. The price difference of T17+ 64T and T17+ 58T be remained as balance under your account, for the specific usage rule of balance.

Please feel free to contact us, we will guide you accordingly.

Regards,
Chita
Bitmain

Also, I have never before been in contact with Chita, is she/he new at Bitmain support?


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on December 24, 2019, 02:32:34 PM
No I have an email  starts with  Chita and ends with Carol  ::)

Quote
Chita (Bitmain)
Dec 17, 15:46 CST

Dear philipma1957,

Thanks for contacting us.

Could you please tell us you want to change T17+ 64T to T17+ 58T or want to wait for T17+ 64T ?

If you have other confusion or concerns, please kindly be free to let us know.
Thanks for your cooperation and wish you a great day ahead.

Regards,
Carol
Bitmain


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: favebook on December 24, 2019, 03:31:17 PM
Interesting... So are they the same person?  ::)  ???


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: HagssFIN on December 24, 2019, 07:46:10 PM
I think they might cheat'a (  ;D ) with the personnel names


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on December 24, 2019, 08:10:51 PM
I think they might cheat'a (  ;D ) with the personnel names

yeah  i thought the same thing


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: PopoJeff on December 25, 2019, 11:55:46 AM
Update:

Quote
Chita (Bitmain)
Dec 25, 11:07 CST

Dear Jeffreyawittig,

Thanks for contacting us.

Could you please place a new order from our official website asap then contact us about payment transfer ?

If you have other confusion or concerns, please kindly be free to let us know.
Thanks for your cooperation and wish you a great day ahead.

Regards,
Chita
Bitmain

----------------------------------------------------------
   
Jeff
Dec 24, 20:01 CST

Then, can you cancel this order, since you cannot supply the correct item. Apply the dollar value to credit. And I will place future orders.

Sent from my iPad

-----------------------------------------------------------

> On Dec 23, 2019, at 23:03, Chita (Bitmain) <support@bitmainhelp.zendesk.com> wrote:
> 

   
Chita (Bitmain)
Dec 24, 12:03 CST

Sorry, can not change S17e to S17+



Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: Searing on December 25, 2019, 11:50:52 PM
Update...

Well hell, that certainly sucks!


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: PopoJeff on December 26, 2019, 12:29:33 AM
Should be good now.... in short....
hey,we cant deliver 17e 64, how bout a 60.
I said no. But id like a 17+.
Oh, sorry, we cant do that.
I said, that's fine, cancel the order if you cant deliver the requested product and credit my acct.
Um, ok. Place your order and we'll xfer the money from this order.

So I placed an order for a 17+, sent them the order ID #, and asked they apply credit from this order, and finish the difference with credit already in the acct.

This is the last thing I sent:
   Order ID: 001201xxxxxx.   Payment Method:USD
   is the new order. USD wire was selected.

Please cancel order ID 001201910xxxxx and apply credit towards the new order. Additional credit available in my acct should be used to complete the order.



Edit: 12/26.   Email received.  Entire S17+ order paid with credit from the cancelled s17e order and additional acct credit


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on December 26, 2019, 05:19:30 PM
so this is like a merry christmas 🎁 to you. nice 👍

I am still waiting for news on my t17+ it is now 6 days late.

I kind of want to get to get to the point my ordering process is finished with them.

As of now

I await a s17pro which i got for about 380 after credits.

I await the t17+. which is late they will owe me a credit for price adjustment and a credit for being late.

If could be about 400-500 which would mean I would buy a t17 again.

I would really like to have a clear slate by my birthday 🎂 which is Jan 27th.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: dhminer on December 30, 2019, 03:13:01 PM
I just received notification that my S17E (60ths, not 64ths) is on its way!

I order 2 plugs from Amazon 12ft NEMA 6-20P to IEC C13 Power Cable - 14AWG SJT (250V 15A)

Can someone confirm that  each of the receptacles on the antminer  require 220v?
thanks & happy holidays!
David


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: philipma1957 on December 30, 2019, 03:17:19 PM
220v is required.

well 210-240 range for each plug.


Title: Re: Bitmain to release S17E 64TH
Post by: favebook on January 17, 2020, 09:19:15 PM
Has anyone tried new firmware from Bitmain? Antminer-S17e-user-OM-202001131007-sig_5156.tar.gz

I like my S17e unit which is giving me stable 67 TH/s instead of marketed 64TH/s. I wouldn't like to lose those few extra TH/s, so has anyone update to newest firmware? If so, what is your experience?

I am mostly intereste due to this:
Quote from: Bitmain
2. Enhance the miner stability in scenarios that beyond the normal operating temperature range.

However, if I ever choose to go with custom firmware I think that this will be harder with newest firmware due to this:
Quote from: Bitmain
3. Enhance  anti-virus capability with  new security mechanism.

What do you think @taserz?