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Title: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Runnert on September 24, 2019, 07:11:56 PM
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Quick introduction

Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house edge! We choose to leave the house edge out because we believe there should be no need to gain from gambling. After all we fund this site from our own pockets. We also strongly believe in anonymity so we do not apply KYC or collect any data besides your email (which doesnít need confirmation). After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. In the future we will be adding more games and a more friendly UI but for now we try to focus on what is important. Itís a Player vs Player system and the winner takes all, without any house edge or fees. Make sure you check it out even if you are not a gambler! We truly appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf =)    

https://www.fifty-fifty.casino


Why did we build this?

We are not someone special or well know online, we are not bank-made like some people suggested.
During the last past years we saw a lot of people around us losing a lot of money due to their gambling addiction, at first we tried to tell them just quit it, the house always wins. But they wouldn't listen due to the fact they already lost so much money, the wanted to win it back. After a while we figured that we couldn't help those people, what they really needed was proper addiction treatment. Yes many developed countries are offering that but still they wouldn't go. We figured out that for us it was impossible to have an impact on the betting problem, the fact we hated the most is that there are a lot of big corporations and casinos that are profiting and abusing this problem. Even the gambling authorities and offshore licensing companies are profiting from it. In some countries only the government is allowed to exploit gambling addiction.. It almost seems like they are a big mob who don't want any changes in their industry.

So we thought if we are not able to stop people from gambling, we could at least try to give them a better chance of winning! We are willing to spend our time and resources to realize this project and we will do our best to so. Our vision is to make sure no one can profit from the fact that gamblers have the urge to gamble. We know we are trying to move mountains and seas, and there is still a long way to go. However, we are very motivated to make this work and maybe, just maybe let some gamblers save a little money on not losing it to a house edge. Besides that it's player vs player, so all cash flows stay within the betting community, an individual might lose some but that makes someone else happy.

We know it sounds crazy a non-profit casino, and we understand you might have some concerns. Because of that we would like to be as open as possible and work side by side with the betting community. We will answer all project related questions.
We are currently financial stable enough to maintain the website, we do have the option for donations if anyone would like to help us out. But we will never ask for your money.


How our RNG is provably fair

Due to many concerns about the fact that; we(as the site owner) could play against the users while knowing the clientseed of the user that created a bet. We came up with a new way to give our bets 100% provably fair RNG. The new way will go as followed: Both players need to be online and in the same lobby, when both players are in the same lobby they create a clientseed in their browser. The hashed version of these clientseeds will be sent to the server. We will reveal your hashed version to the other player, and also the other way around. Make sure you copy your opponent's hashed clientseed, so you are able to check it after the bet has been played. When both players click 'confirm', both players will send their plain-text clientseed to the server at the same time.

In case something went wrong or someone tries to alter their clientseed in their browser after sending the hashed version of it, we will reject their clientseed. The person whose clientseed was wrong or is missing, still has the option to submit their clientseed within 48 hours and get the bet result. To make the system safe, the player whoís clientseed was correct has the option to either cancel the bet and refund the bet amount to both players, or to wait 48 hours and get all the funds without a result(but only if the other users didnít submit their clientseed before 48 hours). This makes our system 100% safe. The only downside is that both players have to be online and in the exact same lobby. Due to that we will also offer our old system for those who believe that we won't use the outcome against them. And don't feel like waiting all day until someone joins them because we currently do not have that much users yet.


User interface
https://i.imgur.com/bD81XYh.png


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: dunfida on September 24, 2019, 07:22:11 PM
No need to put up spaces when mentioning a website unless if its referral link then its prohibited.
Checking the site- Design is way too simple and checking on what game being offered its a pvp heads and tails game which isnt really that attractive here on crypto market
but since you are still on beta its better to add up some games which on demand into this market.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 24, 2019, 07:28:52 PM
No need to put up spaces when mentioning a website unless if its referral link then its prohibited.
Checking the site- Design is way too simple and checking on what game being offered its a pvp heads and tails game which isnt really that attractive here on crypto market
but since you are still on beta its better to add up some games which on demand into this market.

Thank you for your feedback! We are currently working on improving our RNG system. After that we want to add dice games with 1-6 players, poker and sports-bets etc.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: TimeTeller on September 24, 2019, 11:08:42 PM
If you have 0% house edge, where will you get your income to sustain your presence?
And also, aside from the heads & tails, what other games are you going to have here?
Are you planning to get your gambling license also for this project?


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: dark08 on September 24, 2019, 11:16:36 PM
Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
https://www.fifty-fifty.casino

Sincerely,

Fifty-Fifty

How can we assure that you have a zero house endge? Where you can get profit if you put your house endge into zero?
Upon visiting your website its look simple theres a lot of online casino with a lot of good features its better to make a good marketing strategy to bring more customer.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: DarkStar_ on September 24, 2019, 11:57:03 PM
What is your business model? From what I've seen, you don't seem to have any method of making a profit, since you don't take any rake. I'm worried that you're only method of turning a profit is by cheating on your heads and tails game - you know the server seed and know the opponent's client seed, so you can easily create a client seed that generates a win for you.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: crwth on September 25, 2019, 03:01:38 AM
I'm worried that you're only method of turning a profit is by cheating on your heads and tails game - you know the server seed and know the opponent's client seed, so you can easily create a client seed that generates a win for you.
I'm quite confused right now because upon reading the website it's a PvP type of game. The most plausible way to have their profit if they give an advantage to your opponent and that said opponent is a player from the house. Right now there are a few people using the site so they need to use somebody to play in the site because they "do not support a bot-api." Even without a bot, you could decide on where you would give the win (generating a win to the favorable side) then profit from it.

That's just my take on the situation. No other way they could profit, no affiliates, ads, etc. Great initiative though.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: ReiMomo on September 25, 2019, 03:38:57 AM
No need to hurry in launching your gambling site, it needs more feature games that can lure gamblers to visit. Yet, the design is too simple and it is not attractive to gambler enthusiasts for sure. Because in P2P gambling platform need more players unless if you had using bot as their opponent. The suggestion above of mine is good to follow, having an affiliate program will help your gambling site more progressive.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: livingfree on September 25, 2019, 04:02:53 AM
Like what others concern, you need to show us that you can maintain the site without having any percentage of house edge. So, from the fees? from your own pocket? but how long?

We've seen old projects before that has this kind of feature too but in the long run, they've ended being quiet. I dunno know why, maybe they stopped already because they can't maintain their operation because of the promised 0% house edge.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: avikz on September 25, 2019, 06:08:43 AM
Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
https://www.fifty-fifty.casino

Sincerely,

Fifty-Fifty

May I please ask, how do you plan to earn revenue? If there is no house edge, how do you pay for the hosting or other stuffs? Or is it just during the beta period? The concern that Darkstar raised, is very valid and that's the first thing came to my mind just after reading the announcement thread!


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Haunebu on September 25, 2019, 06:47:10 AM
Checked out the site and observed the following:

- Design is way too bland and you could have put more effort into making it look better.
- 1 confirmation deposit should be prioritized over 3 confirmation deposits since 3 confirmations tend to take a lot of time sometimes.
- Expected to find dice and only found heads or tails which is honestly not that appealing.
- How is this 0% house edge model feasible in the long run?


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: ethereumhunter on September 25, 2019, 08:38:35 AM
It seems the OP has been busy to work on his site because he is come back and give more information related to his website. I visited on the site, and I look that the design is too simple and there is no advertisement or any catchy image. I think the OP should add an image on the site so people will have an interest and they will stay for a long time. As others said, I wonder how he can make a profit if he applies no house edge? In the FAQ section, I think he needs to explain about deposit and withdraw, and I hope he doesn't use KYC for the members.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: carter34 on September 25, 2019, 09:21:54 AM
Nop... This site is far from being a beta. I think a lot of work has not been done here. The design is very dry , the forum too has to be colourful to attract discussion because colour is attracting to gamblers. Maybe, it wasn't suppose to be posted yet until it is at least 90% ready which will get visitors to be expecting a completion in their minds. Anyway, wish you well as you put the works in order.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: DoublerHunter on September 25, 2019, 10:17:19 AM
~snip~
We appreciate all feedback and suggestions.
Checked out the site and observed the following:

- Design is way too bland and you could have put more effort into making it look better.
- 1 confirmation deposit should be prioritized over 3 confirmation deposits since 3 confirmations tend to take a lot of time sometimes.
- Expected to find dice and only found heads or tails which is honestly not that appealing.
- How is this 0% house edge model feasible in the long run?
^ These are the fact that I want also to know but OP I think is very busy right now, did not online from the time he posted this thread. Upon looking at the site, all replies above were right. Very poor website and how could be impossible to get revenue if there is no house edge, it means it is only third party gambling site that has a feature of P2P? Let us just wait for the update by the OP.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 25, 2019, 10:38:23 AM
If you have 0% house edge, where will you get your income to sustain your presence?
And also, aside from the heads & tails, what other games are you going to have here?
Are you planning to get your gambling license also for this project?


There are no intentions to earn an income/revenue from the site, we have the resources to keep the site up and running.
So there is no need for any house edge. We see it more like our hobby to build this and to make something that never existed before.

We were thinking about adding PvP dice games, poker, sports-bets etc. But if you guys have any other ideas we are happy to hear you out.

Well right now we don't really feel like investing that much money into an gambling license. We can give our time and ofcourse pay for the hosting etc. If we reach an substantial amount of daily players we could always reconsider getting an license.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: leea-1334 on September 25, 2019, 10:43:58 AM
Zero house edge means you have to find a different way to make profit other than just hoping that gamblers lose at your casino! Of course, this usually happens anyway but you will get smart gamblers who make the most of 0 edge,,, especially when it comes to promotions (which is usually +EV anyway during promos even with house edge).

Only heads or tails, so this is PvP? That means site takes nothing for 0 house edge?


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 25, 2019, 10:47:43 AM
Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
https://www.fifty-fifty.casino

Sincerely,

Fifty-Fifty

How can we assure that you have a zero house endge? Where you can get profit if you put your house endge into zero?
Upon visiting your website its look simple theres a lot of online casino with a lot of good features its better to make a good marketing strategy to bring more customer.

it's PvP and we are not able to take an edge of that. We don't want to make profit, and we don't see why we should?
I understand the site looks really stiff and simpel. We will be working on that in the future, thank you for your feedback. :)


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 25, 2019, 11:30:23 AM
What is your business model? From what I've seen, you don't seem to have any method of making a profit, since you don't take any rake. I'm worried that you're only method of turning a profit is by cheating on your heads and tails game - you know the server seed and know the opponent's client seed, so you can easily create a client seed that generates a win for you.

There is no business model. We build this website because we do not find it fair that casino's always win.

That is a really good point you made there, you might want to klik "please read more" on our home page where we explain a new system to prevent this from happening.
The only problem with that is: that both players have to be in the lobby simultaneously, and with a brand new website where there is almost no traffic this might become an issue. We wanted to add this later on(when there is enough traffic), but since you guys are really worried about that we started development right away. Please keep in mind that this function wont be as user friendly in the beginning as the way we do it now. Eventually we want all our games to use the SSB method.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 25, 2019, 11:47:25 AM
I'm worried that you're only method of turning a profit is by cheating on your heads and tails game - you know the server seed and know the opponent's client seed, so you can easily create a client seed that generates a win for you.
I'm quite confused right now because upon reading the website it's a PvP type of game. The most plausible way to have their profit if they give an advantage to your opponent and that said opponent is a player from the house. Right now there are a few people using the site so they need to use somebody to play in the site because they "do not support a bot-api." Even without a bot, you could decide on where you would give the win (generating a win to the favorable side) then profit from it.

That's just my take on the situation. No other way they could profit, no affiliates, ads, etc. Great initiative though.


Thank you for your feedback!

Please read our post above this one.

We are not looking to profit from it. You could see it as a charity organization.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: moneyball on September 25, 2019, 12:00:04 PM
the site looks verry simple! its under construction or something?


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 25, 2019, 12:02:38 PM
No need to hurry in launching your gambling site, it needs more feature games that can lure gamblers to visit. Yet, the design is too simple and it is not attractive to gambler enthusiasts for sure. Because in P2P gambling platform need more players unless if you had using bot as their opponent. The suggestion above of mine is good to follow, having an affiliate program will help your gambling site more progressive.

We understand the site is too basic to be a proper gambling site as you guys know them. We will be working on making it more attractive.
But as of now we try to focus on the idea of this concept, and making it 100% safe and working in the back end of the site. We are currently not looking for fast progress, we want to be rock solid before expanding.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: milewilda on September 25, 2019, 12:07:59 PM
https://i.imgur.com/8OrjWZl.png

Gambling sites are business and its owners do spent out some cash from their wallets to launch up the site.
Zero house edge or no any other ways on profiting will always be a question on mind.We arent building a charity here just to have that aim on having
a fair gambling to everyone.lol


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 25, 2019, 12:12:38 PM
Like what others concern, you need to show us that you can maintain the site without having any percentage of house edge. So, from the fees? from your own pocket? but how long?

We've seen old projects before that has this kind of feature too but in the long run, they've ended being quiet. I dunno know why, maybe they stopped already because they can't maintain their operation because of the promised 0% house edge.

We are able to fund hosting etc from our own pocket, and we don't mind doing it to give something to the community. We do all the development/coding and we enjoy doing it so that is also no issue.








Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 25, 2019, 12:19:46 PM
Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
https://www.fifty-fifty.casino

Sincerely,

Fifty-Fifty

May I please ask, how do you plan to earn revenue? If there is no house edge, how do you pay for the hosting or other stuffs? Or is it just during the beta period? The concern that Darkstar raised, is very valid and that's the first thing came to my mind just after reading the announcement thread!

We made that announcement thread so our users know we are trying to be as transparent as possible.

We are not trying to earn any revenue from it. We pay hosting out of our own pocket and we are currently in a financial state that allows us to do so. And the site will be 100% free, without any house edge even after the beta.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 25, 2019, 12:35:40 PM
Checked out the site and observed the following:

- Design is way too bland and you could have put more effort into making it look better.
- 1 confirmation deposit should be prioritized over 3 confirmation deposits since 3 confirmations tend to take a lot of time sometimes.
- Expected to find dice and only found heads or tails which is honestly not that appealing.
- How is this 0% house edge model feasible in the long run?

Thank you for your feedback!

-We are currently working on improving the backend of the site, all visuals are just side tasks for now.
-We are well aware of that but we decided to go for the safe option for now.
-I understand where you are coming from, we plan to add more games and make the site more diverse in the future.
-It's not, and we have no problem with that.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 25, 2019, 12:44:43 PM
It seems the OP has been busy to work on his site because he is come back and give more information related to his website. I visited on the site, and I look that the design is too simple and there is no advertisement or any catchy image. I think the OP should add an image on the site so people will have an interest and they will stay for a long time. As others said, I wonder how he can make a profit if he applies no house edge? In the FAQ section, I think he needs to explain about deposit and withdraw, and I hope he doesn't use KYC for the members.

We are working everyday to improve the site. Good point u made about the image but for now we think there is more important work to be done.
We are not looking to make profit in anyway. What did you find unclear about the deposit and withdraw system? And no we currently do not apply KYC, anonymity is a must for us. If we become licensed we will have to use the KYC law.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 25, 2019, 12:51:15 PM
Nop... This site is far from being a beta. I think a lot of work has not been done here. The design is very dry , the forum too has to be colourful to attract discussion because colour is attracting to gamblers. Maybe, it wasn't suppose to be posted yet until it is at least 90% ready which will get visitors to be expecting a completion in their minds. Anyway, wish you well as you put the works in order.

Thank you for your feedback!

We saw it more as the beta of the idea/concept. We know the site is far from done yet. All design features we will add later on. We did post it on purpose without the site being 100% done, so we could work together with to community on improving the website in the way they see fit.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 25, 2019, 12:59:32 PM
~snip~
We appreciate all feedback and suggestions.
Checked out the site and observed the following:

- Design is way too bland and you could have put more effort into making it look better.
- 1 confirmation deposit should be prioritized over 3 confirmation deposits since 3 confirmations tend to take a lot of time sometimes.
- Expected to find dice and only found heads or tails which is honestly not that appealing.
- How is this 0% house edge model feasible in the long run?
^ These are the fact that I want also to know but OP I think is very busy right now, did not online from the time he posted this thread. Upon looking at the site, all replies above were right. Very poor website and how could be impossible to get revenue if there is no house edge, it means it is only third party gambling site that has a feature of P2P? Let us just wait for the update by the OP.

Not everyone lives in the same time zone ;P But yes we are working constantly on improving the website.
We are not looking to earn revenue from it. And yes all our games wil become PvP. You could see us as a platfrom where people can play against each other without anyone interfering them, or a escrow between 2 player gambling online.



Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 25, 2019, 01:05:45 PM
Zero house edge means you have to find a different way to make profit other than just hoping that gamblers lose at your casino! Of course, this usually happens anyway but you will get smart gamblers who make the most of 0 edge,,, especially when it comes to promotions (which is usually +EV anyway during promos even with house edge).

Only heads or tails, so this is PvP? That means site takes nothing for 0 house edge?

We don't see why we should do promotions? And why should we be making profit? I can help my neighbours for free can i? Not everyone is in it to make money.

Currently there is only head or tails, but we are playing to add more games in the future. And all those games will be PvP. Correct the site takes nothing, 0 house edge.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 25, 2019, 01:17:39 PM
the site looks verry simple! its under construction or something?

Thank you for your feedback!

Yes we are still developing the site. We posted this because we strive to work hand in hand with the betting community, get feedback and improve the site in anyway the community sees fit.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 25, 2019, 01:29:16 PM
https://i.imgur.com/8OrjWZl.png

Gambling sites are business and its owners do spent out some cash from their wallets to launch up the site.
Zero house edge or no any other ways on profiting will always be a question on mind.We arent building a charity here just to have that aim on having
a fair gambling to everyone.lol

Well we are not really a business we operate like one but without financial motives. I understand is weird to believe us, especially in a market that is all about money. But i can ensure you we want to work with the community hand in hand and do everything that see fit. We posses the resources to make gambling fair for everyone why shouldn't we make it? Not everyone is in it to make some money. ;P


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: bering on September 25, 2019, 01:37:15 PM
I saw this site also integrated with your own forum and it could be good place to talking and discuss about games or anything else related your site although still no activities at there


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: DoublerHunter on September 25, 2019, 01:40:55 PM
Not everyone lives in the same time zone ;P But yes we are working constantly on improving the website.
We are not looking to earn revenue from it. And yes all our games wil become PvP. You could see us as a platfrom where people can play against each other without anyone interfering them, or a escrow between 2 player gambling online.
^ Good to see that you had been answered all concerns here and those suggestions that they are given. But here is also my friendly concern to you OP please do reply within one row, its looks like spamming. You can quote all in one reply. Friendly wishes and hoping that this project of yours will come successful soon good luck.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on September 25, 2019, 01:57:46 PM
I think that at the time of making the bets you should establish some online chat, because when the bet is made it is like something very automatic, it gives the impression that you are playing with a Bot. Try to make the interface with some colors, maybe if you can integrate night mode, it would be something to improve.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: el kaka22 on September 25, 2019, 02:56:14 PM
What people have been missing out on the "zero house edge" is that its a marketing effort obviously. They are doing a heads or tails game and hope that one day people would come over and play there without the casino itself gambling. It would mean user 1 and user 2 playing against each other and whoever the winner is the casino doesn't have a house edge since they are not in the bet themselves.

So, there is no house edge because its not a game house is involved in, think of like poker games where you play against each other. Now do they have rake I have no idea, maybe they do have a rake or maybe they don't but that doesn't change the fact that there is no house edge part. So its a marketing effort to say zero house edge in game where there is no house anyway.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 25, 2019, 03:27:10 PM
Not everyone lives in the same time zone ;P But yes we are working constantly on improving the website.
We are not looking to earn revenue from it. And yes all our games wil become PvP. You could see us as a platfrom where people can play against each other without anyone interfering them, or a escrow between 2 player gambling online.
^ Good to see that you had been answered all concerns here and those suggestions that they are given. But here is also my friendly concern to you OP please do reply within one row, its looks like spamming. You can quote all in one reply. Friendly wishes and hoping that this project of yours will come successful soon good luck.

Good point.
Thank you!

I saw this site also integrated with your own forum and it could be good place to talking and discuss about games or anything else related your site although still no activities at there

Correct no activity yet, so we will just do it here.

I think that at the time of making the bets you should establish some online chat, because when the bet is made it is like something very automatic, it gives the impression that you are playing with a Bot. Try to make the interface with some colors, maybe if you can integrate night mode, it would be something to improve.

Thank you for your feedback!

We will do a lot of UI changes once the backend works perfectly, dark-mode is a good one we are also thinking about implementing that. :)
Did you play a bet already? Because you will join a lobby with an other player where there is a chatroom and the option to switch to public chat.
If you mean something else please try to explain it in a different way.



What people have been missing out on the "zero house edge" is that its a marketing effort obviously. They are doing a heads or tails game and hope that one day people would come over and play there without the casino itself gambling. It would mean user 1 and user 2 playing against each other and whoever the winner is the casino doesn't have a house edge since they are not in the bet themselves.

So, there is no house edge because its not a game house is involved in, think of like poker games where you play against each other. Now do they have rake I have no idea, maybe they do have a rake or maybe they don't but that doesn't change the fact that there is no house edge part. So its a marketing effort to say zero house edge in game where there is no house anyway.


You are 100% correct, and by zero house edge we mean also no rake, rate, fee, commission, or exchange cost of chips in anyway.
We do not earn money in anyway.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: sid027sp on September 25, 2019, 03:48:57 PM
simple design with 0 house edge . I will keep eyes on your site how it will be in future .


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: SyGambler on September 25, 2019, 04:48:28 PM
I'm still not sure how a site doesn't want profit , it doesn't make sense for me personally but maybe that's really the case here

the sportsbook part I'm not getting , it's impossible to run a book where there is no house edge cause even books that have margins can offer value bets from time to time so the book may make you lose money actually
unless the pvp part including sportsbetting as well , is that the plan to make people bet on sports against each others  ?


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: dothebeats on September 25, 2019, 05:22:05 PM
I might be wrong but is this some form of a test-only gambling platform which people can try out provably-fair systems before getting out on the real gambling sites? Because if it is not, then you are asking for bankruptcy at all (well you must be rich guys to begin with since you have answered that you don't do this for the profit). Zero-percent house-edge is not yet seen on this industry, and the most common is 0.1% and that's the lowest I've seen. Just checked out the site and perhaps some design tweaks would help.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: RivAngE on September 25, 2019, 06:55:12 PM
Erm... What do you mean you're not doing this for profit?
I'd understand this if it were a school's project but since it's a gambling site then it's also possible that you end up losing instead!

I don't think 1% up or down would be a decisive factor for some to choose you or not, you could set it to 49-51 after the beta.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Oceat on September 25, 2019, 07:24:50 PM
This doesn't makes sense though since you don't want to have a profit and you just want a zero house edge. I think this is some kind of an experimentation before going on to a full game. A type of collecting data before making a real casino with a house edge.

Anyway, good luck on your experiment or whatsoever. The site design is quite simple, you might wanna twerk it a little bit to look more interesting.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 25, 2019, 07:37:36 PM
simple design with 0 house edge . I will keep eyes on your site how it will be in future .

Thank you for your feedback.
Make sure you keep up to dated with the latest update on here! :)



I'm still not sure how a site doesn't want profit , it doesn't make sense for me personally but maybe that's really the case here

the sportsbook part I'm not getting , it's impossible to run a book where there is no house edge cause even books that have margins can offer value bets from time to time so the book may make you lose money actually
unless the pvp part including sportsbetting as well , is that the plan to make people bet on sports against each others  ?

I understand it doesn't makes sense to you but try to see it this way, why should a online casino make money? They don't have to pay for staff, rent and equipment etc like a regular casino. Our only cost is hosting but its a small fee we willing to cover ourselves because we like doing this. Al development we enjoy doing so that is also no issue.

I don't want to share too much on the sports-bets at this time, due to the fact other casino's might copy it. But i can ensure you our sports-bets will be without any house edge an will be PvP! ;P


I might be wrong but is this some form of a test-only gambling platform which people can try out provably-fair systems before getting out on the real gambling sites? Because if it is not, then you are asking for bankruptcy at all (well you must be rich guys to begin with since you have answered that you don't do this for the profit). Zero-percent house-edge is not yet seen on this industry, and the most common is 0.1% and that's the lowest I've seen. Just checked out the site and perhaps some design tweaks would help.

It's not a test site for other casino's in anyway. Because it's not seen in this industry before we wanted to build it. Make something that hasn't been done before(as far as we know). Besides that we are not "rich" but wealthy enough to afford a monthly fee for hosting.

Erm... What do you mean you're not doing this for profit?
I'd understand this if it were a school's project but since it's a gambling site then it's also possible that you end up losing instead!

I don't think 1% up or down would be a decisive factor for some to choose you or not, you could set it to 49-51 after the beta.

Like i said we are not looking after profits. Nothing else to say about that. :P
Why would we end up losing? Due to the fact we pay for hosting?

I can see that but a decisive factor might be that we gain nothing from it. Player1 or Player2 wins, and the other one looses. The money stays within the community.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 25, 2019, 09:21:08 PM
This doesn't makes sense though since you don't want to have a profit and you just want a zero house edge. I think this is some kind of an experimentation before going on to a full game. A type of collecting data before making a real casino with a house edge.

Anyway, good luck on your experiment or whatsoever. The site design is quite simple, you might wanna twerk it a little bit to look more interesting.

Thank you for your feedback!

We didn't really looked into the design that much yet, we will later on. It's experimental right now but we are going to work from what we have.
So the house edge will always be zero, even in the final version i can ensure you that. We try to collect as little data as possible, because we find privacy and anonymity very important.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: livingfree on September 26, 2019, 08:55:31 AM
Like what others concern, you need to show us that you can maintain the site without having any percentage of house edge. So, from the fees? from your own pocket? but how long?

We've seen old projects before that has this kind of feature too but in the long run, they've ended being quiet. I dunno know why, maybe they stopped already because they can't maintain their operation because of the promised 0% house edge.

We are able to fund hosting etc from our own pocket, and we don't mind doing it to give something to the community. We do all the development/coding and we enjoy doing it so that is also no issue.
I understand your generosity about being a developer and contributing in the best way that you can. But let's be real here that in the long run, you can't sustain it anymore and there should be a way to generate income from every expense that the site will have.

You may answer yes if I'll ask you if you are still willing to take money from your own pocket but if it's just an outcome to you, I really don't think that you'd be willing enough for that. There should be a way for you to monetize it unless you'll take it from fees but I think it's still that low.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 26, 2019, 10:50:03 AM
Like what others concern, you need to show us that you can maintain the site without having any percentage of house edge. So, from the fees? from your own pocket? but how long?

We've seen old projects before that has this kind of feature too but in the long run, they've ended being quiet. I dunno know why, maybe they stopped already because they can't maintain their operation because of the promised 0% house edge.

We are able to fund hosting etc from our own pocket, and we don't mind doing it to give something to the community. We do all the development/coding and we enjoy doing it so that is also no issue.
I understand your generosity about being a developer and contributing in the best way that you can. But let's be real here that in the long run, you can't sustain it anymore and there should be a way to generate income from every expense that the site will have.

You may answer yes if I'll ask you if you are still willing to take money from your own pocket but if it's just an outcome to you, I really don't think that you'd be willing enough for that. There should be a way for you to monetize it unless you'll take it from fees but I think it's still that low.

We don't see any needs to monetize it. No fees except regular BTC transaction fees we do not want to cover those. Hosting everything is not that much, people spend more on smoking etc. Other hobby's like driving an motorcycle also cost way more. I can ensure you we will be able to host this platform for free for atleast the next 5years. After that i can not promise anything but most likely we will still host it for free after that. Due to the fact we are not able to look into the future one of u might become very ill or something like that.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: audaciousbeing on September 26, 2019, 06:23:09 PM
Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
https://www.fifty-fifty.casino

Sincerely,

Fifty-Fifty

Zero house edge caught my attention. As much as you are trying to lay everything in the open which is commendable but a little charge wont be bad because zero edge means there wont be an reserve for the business not to even maintain the site or pay the administrators or to cover any operating expenses. With zero edge, it means as much as you the customer can lose, so also can you lose and what happens when the customer wins on first attempt or on launch, it means you have to go source for funds to pay the customer. Another factor is that when you have zero edge, then it sends a message to the public that something is going on because if you dont get money from there to run the site, you must surely be doing something shady from behind the scene to recover this money.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Spaffin on September 26, 2019, 08:06:11 PM
Like what others concern, you need to show us that you can maintain the site without having any percentage of house edge. So, from the fees? from your own pocket? but how long?

We've seen old projects before that has this kind of feature too but in the long run, they've ended being quiet. I dunno know why, maybe they stopped already because they can't maintain their operation because of the promised 0% house edge.

We are able to fund hosting etc from our own pocket, and we don't mind doing it to give something to the community. We do all the development/coding and we enjoy doing it so that is also no issue.
I understand your generosity about being a developer and contributing in the best way that you can. But let's be real here that in the long run, you can't sustain it anymore and there should be a way to generate income from every expense that the site will have.

You may answer yes if I'll ask you if you are still willing to take money from your own pocket but if it's just an outcome to you, I really don't think that you'd be willing enough for that. There should be a way for you to monetize it unless you'll take it from fees but I think it's still that low.

We don't see any needs to monetize it. No fees except regular BTC transaction fees we do not want to cover those. Hosting everything is not that much, people spend more on smoking etc. Other hobby's like driving an motorcycle also cost way more. I can ensure you we will be able to host this platform for free for atleast the next 5years. After that i can not promise anything but most likely we will still host it for free after that. Due to the fact we are not able to look into the future one of u might become very ill or something like that.
I apologize for interfering in your conversation, but I could not help but note your statement about how a person can spend his money on pleasure.  The fact is that I have never met such an opinion so that it would be possible to compare any hobby and spending my finances on it with a passion for gambling. If a person spends his money on repairing and caring for a motorcycle, as well as on gasoline, then as a result he achieves what he wanted, namely the pleasure of owning a luxury motorcycle and the pleasure of driving this vehicle.  But with regard to gambling, if a gambler spends his money on a bet, then in any case he wants to get a win sometime.  Indeed, this is the whole point, and not just to play with any result .


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on September 26, 2019, 08:48:35 PM
The platform is faster, have you worked on it? Within the platform, apart from the forum, whose participation has not been established, it would be useful if you could achieve some way to see users online, maybe an accountant.

Many players see if there are real players and not Bots (I am not saying that you use bots), this is very important because in this way the number of users increases and generates more interest in the players. Everything seems great.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: shield132 on September 26, 2019, 09:17:29 PM
Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
https://www.fifty-fifty.casino

Sincerely,

Fifty-Fifty
OP at first I want to tell you that zero house edge means going bankrupt for casino, so if you business is planned on short-term total loss, then it's good project.
Don't take it wrongly but you can achieve nothing without house edge. As I see max bet is 10$, this stops serious gamblers to gamble on your website and more likely your audience will be faucet catcher and players. That's not good for business too. I think it will be much more beneficial if you put ads on your website and offer people to play with just points, without any deposit or set memberships (but this last one won't be beneficial).


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: TimeTeller on September 26, 2019, 09:22:06 PM
If you have 0% house edge, where will you get your income to sustain your presence?
And also, aside from the heads & tails, what other games are you going to have here?
Are you planning to get your gambling license also for this project?


There are no intentions to earn an income/revenue from the site, we have the resources to keep the site up and running.
So there is no need for any house edge. We see it more like our hobby to build this and to make something that never existed before.

We were thinking about adding PvP dice games, poker, sports-bets etc. But if you guys have any other ideas we are happy to hear you out.

Well right now we don't really feel like investing that much money into an gambling license. We can give our time and ofcourse pay for the hosting etc. If we reach an substantial amount of daily players we could always reconsider getting an license.


This is the first time that I have encountered that an online gambling site doesn't want to earn income or revenue.
Are you for real or do you have all the riches already to make this project like a hobby as you said?
Maintaining a site already requires money. How about the staffs that will be working on it? Like the chat support?
Are they working for free also? How many people are involved in this project?
I hope you have no loopholes in this pvp system that you can eventually gain money from.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Lanatsa on September 26, 2019, 10:07:14 PM
If you have 0% house edge, where will you get your income to sustain your presence?
And also, aside from the heads & tails, what other games are you going to have here?
Are you planning to get your gambling license also for this project?


There are no intentions to earn an income/revenue from the site, we have the resources to keep the site up and running.
So there is no need for any house edge. We see it more like our hobby to build this and to make something that never existed before.

We were thinking about adding PvP dice games, poker, sports-bets etc. But if you guys have any other ideas we are happy to hear you out.

Well right now we don't really feel like investing that much money into an gambling license. We can give our time and ofcourse pay for the hosting etc. If we reach an substantial amount of daily players we could always reconsider getting an license.


This is the first time that I have encountered that an online gambling site doesn't want to earn income or revenue.
Are you for real or do you have all the riches already to make this project like a hobby as you said?
Maintaining a site already requires money. How about the staffs that will be working on it? Like the chat support?
Are they working for free also? How many people are involved in this project?
I hope you have no loopholes in this pvp system that you can eventually gain money from.
There are no other way on how to monetize your site and its really impossible to think of that a gambling site owner wouldn't think
on how he would profit and charitable works is quite not common nowadays even millionaires do create their own business online
to gain up something out of their funds and doesn't tend to give out free service to the community.We know that staffs and maintenances
do have some cost and running a site will really have some those expense and making no profit wont be sustainable.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: imstillthebest on September 27, 2019, 03:21:19 AM
There are no other way on how to monetize your site and its really impossible to think of that a gambling site owner wouldn't think
on how he would profit and charitable works is quite not common nowadays even millionaires do create their own business online
to gain up something out of their funds and doesn't tend to give out free service to the community.We know that staffs and maintenances
do have some cost and running a site will really have some those expense and making no profit wont be sustainable.

they can run ads on thier site just like what other websites do , so that they can keep the site up and pay other maintenance cost  . you mention charity  ?  i see some gambling sites are now giving some of their income on the charity that they choose based on thier poll  .  the title really says it all  . this gambling site is really unique to have a zero house edge if ever the owner pushes it  .   this can get instant attention resulting for them to become indemand which can make thier site run longer than usual 


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: livingfree on September 27, 2019, 07:13:50 AM
We don't see any needs to monetize it. No fees except regular BTC transaction fees we do not want to cover those. Hosting everything is not that much, people spend more on smoking etc. Other hobby's like driving an motorcycle also cost way more. I can ensure you we will be able to host this platform for free for atleast the next 5years. After that i can not promise anything but most likely we will still host it for free after that. Due to the fact we are not able to look into the future one of u might become very ill or something like that.
Okay, the next 5 years is assured that you will be able to maintain the hosting for this site. But the whole thing isn't just about hosting.

they can run ads on thier site just like what other websites do , so that they can keep the site up and pay other maintenance cost  .
Actually the owner said that they don't have to monetize so that's why even adding ads on their website isn't going to benefit them (base on what he said). But until now, I'm still confused with his reasoning, anyway as long as this won't turn into a scam I think that will be okay.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: iamsheikhadil on September 27, 2019, 07:20:02 AM
If you have 0% house edge, where will you get your income to sustain your presence?
And also, aside from the heads & tails, what other games are you going to have here?
Are you planning to get your gambling license also for this project?


There are no intentions to earn an income/revenue from the site, we have the resources to keep the site up and running.
So there is no need for any house edge. We see it more like our hobby to build this and to make something that never existed before.

We were thinking about adding PvP dice games, poker, sports-bets etc. But if you guys have any other ideas we are happy to hear you out.

Well right now we don't really feel like investing that much money into an gambling license. We can give our time and ofcourse pay for the hosting etc. If we reach an substantial amount of daily players we could always reconsider getting an license.


Well I will have to give you thumbs up for this. This is unique and has never been seen before. I love player vs player games and specially if there's a zero house edge it will give players an extra thrill to play and double their money based on their luck without having to give any portion of their winning voluntarily. It's good that you came up with this idea and wanting to spend resources to keep it alive without gaining. I will be sure to try it out and also wait for further improvements! ;)


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: DarkDays on September 27, 2019, 11:34:35 AM
I wonder why would you even consider creating a zero house edge casino? The concern that some people have raised regarding this being a data collection attempt is probably the closest thing to reality.

I just hope that you do not in any way try to slip in a house edge in one of your upcoming updates without the users knowing anything about it. Surely you have operating costs, how do you meet these while having zero house edge? Do you charge an extortionate withdrawal fee or something?

You guys know the saying... When something sounds too good to be true, it usually is!


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 27, 2019, 02:48:56 PM
Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
https://www.fifty-fifty.casino

Sincerely,

Fifty-Fifty

Zero house edge caught my attention. As much as you are trying to lay everything in the open which is commendable but a little charge wont be bad because zero edge means there wont be an reserve for the business not to even maintain the site or pay the administrators or to cover any operating expenses. With zero edge, it means as much as you the customer can lose, so also can you lose and what happens when the customer wins on first attempt or on launch, it means you have to go source for funds to pay the customer. Another factor is that when you have zero edge, then it sends a message to the public that something is going on because if you dont get money from there to run the site, you must surely be doing something shady from behind the scene to recover this money.

Thank you for your feedback!

It's an PvP system so we don't have to pay out anything. Besides that we are the admins/developers of the site so the only cost we have is hosting and we are willing to pay that out of our own pocket. We have no second agenda, and i can ensure you there is nothing shady going on behind the scene.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 27, 2019, 02:54:57 PM
Like what others concern, you need to show us that you can maintain the site without having any percentage of house edge. So, from the fees? from your own pocket? but how long?

We've seen old projects before that has this kind of feature too but in the long run, they've ended being quiet. I dunno know why, maybe they stopped already because they can't maintain their operation because of the promised 0% house edge.

We are able to fund hosting etc from our own pocket, and we don't mind doing it to give something to the community. We do all the development/coding and we enjoy doing it so that is also no issue.
I understand your generosity about being a developer and contributing in the best way that you can. But let's be real here that in the long run, you can't sustain it anymore and there should be a way to generate income from every expense that the site will have.

You may answer yes if I'll ask you if you are still willing to take money from your own pocket but if it's just an outcome to you, I really don't think that you'd be willing enough for that. There should be a way for you to monetize it unless you'll take it from fees but I think it's still that low.

We don't see any needs to monetize it. No fees except regular BTC transaction fees we do not want to cover those. Hosting everything is not that much, people spend more on smoking etc. Other hobby's like driving an motorcycle also cost way more. I can ensure you we will be able to host this platform for free for atleast the next 5years. After that i can not promise anything but most likely we will still host it for free after that. Due to the fact we are not able to look into the future one of u might become very ill or something like that.
I apologize for interfering in your conversation, but I could not help but note your statement about how a person can spend his money on pleasure.  The fact is that I have never met such an opinion so that it would be possible to compare any hobby and spending my finances on it with a passion for gambling. If a person spends his money on repairing and caring for a motorcycle, as well as on gasoline, then as a result he achieves what he wanted, namely the pleasure of owning a luxury motorcycle and the pleasure of driving this vehicle.  But with regard to gambling, if a gambler spends his money on a bet, then in any case he wants to get a win sometime.  Indeed, this is the whole point, and not just to play with any result .

Well we are not gamblers. From our perspective we enjoy coding and developing this platfrom. Besides that we gain pleasure from making something that hasn't been done before and might help out some ppl in the long run. The fact that ppl gamble is not good but atleast we can make sure no one profits from it.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 27, 2019, 03:02:40 PM
The platform is faster, have you worked on it? Within the platform, apart from the forum, whose participation has not been established, it would be useful if you could achieve some way to see users online, maybe an accountant.

Many players see if there are real players and not Bots (I am not saying that you use bots), this is very important because in this way the number of users increases and generates more interest in the players. Everything seems great.

Thank you for your feedback!

We are working on the playform everyday. We plan to release a new update somewhere next week. We currently have the amount of users online displayed at the home page. But we will look futher into that!


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: adzino on September 27, 2019, 04:34:06 PM
Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
https://www.fifty-fifty.casino

Sincerely,

Fifty-Fifty
Zero house edge? This means both the house and the players have equal chance of winning. So, how is this going to work? How is the casino going to make a profit? Since you have zero house edge, this means in the long run there is a chance that your bankroll won't exist anymore since users might win it all.
Anyways, if you are trying to advertise for your casino, then make a proper announcement thread with all important and required information. This you way you will get better response than now.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: MonsterV on September 27, 2019, 04:57:17 PM
Well we are not gamblers. From our perspective we enjoy coding and developing this platfrom. Besides that we gain pleasure from making something that hasn't been done before and might help out some ppl in the long run. The fact that ppl gamble is not good but atleast we can make sure no one profits from it.

Your concept is very interesting to me and I appreciate your intention that you provide this service for free. But members here are used to various scams, so they are mostly selective in choosing any platform. So indirectly many members here are suspicious of you, and I suggest you give a license to your platform or invite trusted member cooperation here so that your new platform at least has a guaranteed reputation.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Spaffin on September 27, 2019, 04:59:14 PM

We don't see any needs to monetize it. No fees except regular BTC transaction fees we do not want to cover those. Hosting everything is not that much, people spend more on smoking etc. Other hobby's like driving an motorcycle also cost way more. I can ensure you we will be able to host this platform for free for atleast the next 5years. After that i can not promise anything but most likely we will still host it for free after that. Due to the fact we are not able to look into the future one of u might become very ill or something like that.
I apologize for interfering in your conversation, but I could not help but note your statement about how a person can spend his money on pleasure.  The fact is that I have never met such an opinion so that it would be possible to compare any hobby and spending my finances on it with a passion for gambling. If a person spends his money on repairing and caring for a motorcycle, as well as on gasoline, then as a result he achieves what he wanted, namely the pleasure of owning a luxury motorcycle and the pleasure of driving this vehicle.  But with regard to gambling, if a gambler spends his money on a bet, then in any case he wants to get a win sometime.  Indeed, this is the whole point, and not just to play with any result .

Well we are not gamblers. From our perspective we enjoy coding and developing this platfrom. Besides that we gain pleasure from making something that hasn't been done before and might help out some ppl in the long run. The fact that ppl gamble is not good but atleast we can make sure no one profits from it.
Once again, I apologize, but here I will allow myself to correct you a little, because there are things from which a person takes great pleasure when doing his favorite thing or from doing what he does very well.  In this case, I am sure that you are doing what brings you pleasure.  Iíve been working in the cryptocurrency market for several years in various forms and Iím not always able to get a good income, but nevertheless I like this activity and bring it pleasure.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 27, 2019, 07:19:01 PM
Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
https://www.fifty-fifty.casino

Sincerely,

Fifty-Fifty
OP at first I want to tell you that zero house edge means going bankrupt for casino, so if you business is planned on short-term total loss, then it's good project.
Don't take it wrongly but you can achieve nothing without house edge. As I see max bet is 10$, this stops serious gamblers to gamble on your website and more likely your audience will be faucet catcher and players. That's not good for business too. I think it will be much more beneficial if you put ads on your website and offer people to play with just points, without any deposit or set memberships (but this last one won't be beneficial).

It's PvP so we don't have to worry about bankruptsy due to payouts. We set the max to 10$ to avoid major losses due to a glitch/bug, since we are still in the beta. Ads are a logical option but we don't want to bother our users with ads.



If you have 0% house edge, where will you get your income to sustain your presence?
And also, aside from the heads & tails, what other games are you going to have here?
Are you planning to get your gambling license also for this project?


There are no intentions to earn an income/revenue from the site, we have the resources to keep the site up and running.
So there is no need for any house edge. We see it more like our hobby to build this and to make something that never existed before.

We were thinking about adding PvP dice games, poker, sports-bets etc. But if you guys have any other ideas we are happy to hear you out.

Well right now we don't really feel like investing that much money into an gambling license. We can give our time and ofcourse pay for the hosting etc. If we reach an substantial amount of daily players we could always reconsider getting an license.


This is the first time that I have encountered that an online gambling site doesn't want to earn income or revenue.
Are you for real or do you have all the riches already to make this project like a hobby as you said?
Maintaining a site already requires money. How about the staffs that will be working on it? Like the chat support?
Are they working for free also? How many people are involved in this project?
I hope you have no loopholes in this pvp system that you can eventually gain money from.

Good point on the loopholes, check our home page and click read more. To counter this we will roll out an update somewhere next week.
We are the staff/livechat support/programmers/development/management.






If you have 0% house edge, where will you get your income to sustain your presence?
And also, aside from the heads & tails, what other games are you going to have here?
Are you planning to get your gambling license also for this project?


There are no intentions to earn an income/revenue from the site, we have the resources to keep the site up and running.
So there is no need for any house edge. We see it more like our hobby to build this and to make something that never existed before.

We were thinking about adding PvP dice games, poker, sports-bets etc. But if you guys have any other ideas we are happy to hear you out.

Well right now we don't really feel like investing that much money into an gambling license. We can give our time and ofcourse pay for the hosting etc. If we reach an substantial amount of daily players we could always reconsider getting an license.


This is the first time that I have encountered that an online gambling site doesn't want to earn income or revenue.
Are you for real or do you have all the riches already to make this project like a hobby as you said?
Maintaining a site already requires money. How about the staffs that will be working on it? Like the chat support?
Are they working for free also? How many people are involved in this project?
I hope you have no loopholes in this pvp system that you can eventually gain money from.
There are no other way on how to monetize your site and its really impossible to think of that a gambling site owner wouldn't think
on how he would profit and charitable works is quite not common nowadays even millionaires do create their own business online
to gain up something out of their funds and doesn't tend to give out free service to the community.We know that staffs and maintenances
do have some cost and running a site will really have some those expense and making no profit wont be sustainable.

Read reaction above.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 27, 2019, 07:28:39 PM
There are no other way on how to monetize your site and its really impossible to think of that a gambling site owner wouldn't think
on how he would profit and charitable works is quite not common nowadays even millionaires do create their own business online
to gain up something out of their funds and doesn't tend to give out free service to the community.We know that staffs and maintenances
do have some cost and running a site will really have some those expense and making no profit wont be sustainable.

they can run ads on thier site just like what other websites do , so that they can keep the site up and pay other maintenance cost  . you mention charity  ?  i see some gambling sites are now giving some of their income on the charity that they choose based on thier poll  .  the title really says it all  . this gambling site is really unique to have a zero house edge if ever the owner pushes it  .   this can get instant attention resulting for them to become indemand which can make thier site run longer than usual 

We don't want to bother our users with ads.


We don't see any needs to monetize it. No fees except regular BTC transaction fees we do not want to cover those. Hosting everything is not that much, people spend more on smoking etc. Other hobby's like driving an motorcycle also cost way more. I can ensure you we will be able to host this platform for free for atleast the next 5years. After that i can not promise anything but most likely we will still host it for free after that. Due to the fact we are not able to look into the future one of u might become very ill or something like that.
Okay, the next 5 years is assured that you will be able to maintain the hosting for this site. But the whole thing isn't just about hosting.

they can run ads on thier site just like what other websites do , so that they can keep the site up and pay other maintenance cost  .
Actually the owner said that they don't have to monetize so that's why even adding ads on their website isn't going to benefit them (base on what he said). But until now, I'm still confused with his reasoning, anyway as long as this won't turn into a scam I think that will be okay.

We are not trying to scam ppl, if we wanted to target the ordinairy guy i could think of a 1000 other ways to do that way more efficient and with less work.



If you have 0% house edge, where will you get your income to sustain your presence?
And also, aside from the heads & tails, what other games are you going to have here?
Are you planning to get your gambling license also for this project?


There are no intentions to earn an income/revenue from the site, we have the resources to keep the site up and running.
So there is no need for any house edge. We see it more like our hobby to build this and to make something that never existed before.

We were thinking about adding PvP dice games, poker, sports-bets etc. But if you guys have any other ideas we are happy to hear you out.

Well right now we don't really feel like investing that much money into an gambling license. We can give our time and ofcourse pay for the hosting etc. If we reach an substantial amount of daily players we could always reconsider getting an license.


Well I will have to give you thumbs up for this. This is unique and has never been seen before. I love player vs player games and specially if there's a zero house edge it will give players an extra thrill to play and double their money based on their luck without having to give any portion of their winning voluntarily. It's good that you came up with this idea and wanting to spend resources to keep it alive without gaining. I will be sure to try it out and also wait for further improvements! ;)

Thank you for your positive feedback! :) We plan to roll out a new update somewhere next week. Make sure you keep in touch with the site on this forum.



I wonder why would you even consider creating a zero house edge casino? The concern that some people have raised regarding this being a data collection attempt is probably the closest thing to reality.

I just hope that you do not in any way try to slip in a house edge in one of your upcoming updates without the users knowing anything about it. Surely you have operating costs, how do you meet these while having zero house edge? Do you charge an extortionate withdrawal fee or something?

You guys know the saying... When something sounds too good to be true, it usually is!

We are not trying to collect data, and we will NEVER add a house edge to our website. Withdraw fees can be checked afterward so you can see it for your self. ;P

I understand it sound to good to be true, i think i will never be are to convince you guys on our beliefs. But i think time will tell.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 27, 2019, 07:38:44 PM
Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house egde!  After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. Make sure you check it out even if you are not an gambler! We appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf  
https://www.fifty-fifty.casino

Sincerely,

Fifty-Fifty
Zero house edge? This means both the house and the players have equal chance of winning. So, how is this going to work? How is the casino going to make a profit? Since you have zero house edge, this means in the long run there is a chance that your bankroll won't exist anymore since users might win it all.
Anyways, if you are trying to advertise for your casino, then make a proper announcement thread with all important and required information. This you way you will get better response than now.

It's PvP so we don't have to worry about pay outs, you could see us as a platfrom where gamblers can play against each other without interferance of a third-party. We are not really looking for quick growth so i think if we do that we will to too busy with PR stuff instead or programming.

Well we are not gamblers. From our perspective we enjoy coding and developing this platfrom. Besides that we gain pleasure from making something that hasn't been done before and might help out some ppl in the long run. The fact that ppl gamble is not good but atleast we can make sure no one profits from it.

Your concept is very interesting to me and I appreciate your intention that you provide this service for free. But members here are used to various scams, so they are mostly selective in choosing any platform. So indirectly many members here are suspicious of you, and I suggest you give a license to your platform or invite trusted member cooperation here so that your new platform at least has a guaranteed reputation.

I understand and i think i won't be able to convince you guys in anyway. so i think time will tell.
We might get a licence later on but for now we stick to bitcoin only. Sorry for the inconvenience.


We don't see any needs to monetize it. No fees except regular BTC transaction fees we do not want to cover those. Hosting everything is not that much, people spend more on smoking etc. Other hobby's like driving an motorcycle also cost way more. I can ensure you we will be able to host this platform for free for atleast the next 5years. After that i can not promise anything but most likely we will still host it for free after that. Due to the fact we are not able to look into the future one of u might become very ill or something like that.
I apologize for interfering in your conversation, but I could not help but note your statement about how a person can spend his money on pleasure.  The fact is that I have never met such an opinion so that it would be possible to compare any hobby and spending my finances on it with a passion for gambling. If a person spends his money on repairing and caring for a motorcycle, as well as on gasoline, then as a result he achieves what he wanted, namely the pleasure of owning a luxury motorcycle and the pleasure of driving this vehicle.  But with regard to gambling, if a gambler spends his money on a bet, then in any case he wants to get a win sometime.  Indeed, this is the whole point, and not just to play with any result .

Well we are not gamblers. From our perspective we enjoy coding and developing this platfrom. Besides that we gain pleasure from making something that hasn't been done before and might help out some ppl in the long run. The fact that ppl gamble is not good but atleast we can make sure no one profits from it.
Once again, I apologize, but here I will allow myself to correct you a little, because there are things from which a person takes great pleasure when doing his favorite thing or from doing what he does very well.  In this case, I am sure that you are doing what brings you pleasure.  Iíve been working in the cryptocurrency market for several years in various forms and Iím not always able to get a good income, but nevertheless I like this activity and bring it pleasure.

No need to apologize we all good :)


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Upgate on September 27, 2019, 08:05:06 PM
This doesn't makes sense though since you don't want to have a profit and you just want a zero house edge. I think this is some kind of an experimentation before going on to a full game. A type of collecting data before making a real casino with a house edge.

Anyway, good luck on your experiment or whatsoever. The site design is quite simple, you might wanna twerk it a little bit to look more interesting.
They have the right to do what ever they want, and you might not know it they can have other ways of getting profit with zero house edge. However if the want to be on the main gambling field they should adopt some features required


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Lanatsa on September 27, 2019, 08:06:29 PM
There are no other way on how to monetize your site and its really impossible to think of that a gambling site owner wouldn't think
on how he would profit and charitable works is quite not common nowadays even millionaires do create their own business online
to gain up something out of their funds and doesn't tend to give out free service to the community.We know that staffs and maintenances
do have some cost and running a site will really have some those expense and making no profit wont be sustainable.

they can run ads on thier site just like what other websites do , so that they can keep the site up and pay other maintenance cost  . you mention charity  ?  i see some gambling sites are now giving some of their income on the charity that they choose based on thier poll  .  the title really says it all  . this gambling site is really unique to have a zero house edge if ever the owner pushes it  .   this can get instant attention resulting for them to become indemand which can make thier site run longer than usual 
No they aren't bothering theirselves on having that ads option as they say.  ;)

We don't want to bother our users with ads.

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 27, 2019, 08:18:07 PM
This doesn't makes sense though since you don't want to have a profit and you just want a zero house edge. I think this is some kind of an experimentation before going on to a full game. A type of collecting data before making a real casino with a house edge.

Anyway, good luck on your experiment or whatsoever. The site design is quite simple, you might wanna twerk it a little bit to look more interesting.
They have the right to do what ever they want, and you might not know it they can have other ways of getting profit with zero house edge. However if the want to be on the main gambling field they should adopt some features required

What features did you have in mind?


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 27, 2019, 08:20:36 PM
There are no other way on how to monetize your site and its really impossible to think of that a gambling site owner wouldn't think
on how he would profit and charitable works is quite not common nowadays even millionaires do create their own business online
to gain up something out of their funds and doesn't tend to give out free service to the community.We know that staffs and maintenances
do have some cost and running a site will really have some those expense and making no profit wont be sustainable.

they can run ads on thier site just like what other websites do , so that they can keep the site up and pay other maintenance cost  . you mention charity  ?  i see some gambling sites are now giving some of their income on the charity that they choose based on thier poll  .  the title really says it all  . this gambling site is really unique to have a zero house edge if ever the owner pushes it  .   this can get instant attention resulting for them to become indemand which can make thier site run longer than usual 
No they aren't bothering theirselves on having that ads option as they say.  ;)

We don't want to bother our users with ads.

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

We don't blame anyone for not understanding our intentions, especially in a market that is all about money.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: rijaljun on September 27, 2019, 11:08:40 PM
I won't say this site is legit or not. Many people will think it's not profitable to create a zero-edge gambling site, but don't you think it can be good and profitable as well as others? It's probably the last option to bring more users to the site, to bring more traffic to it. The owner won't get profit from their users but still could get profit from the traffic. It could be a perfect marketing strategy anyway.

I'm not sure it will run for long time, but at least they will have many users at first.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Lanatsa on September 27, 2019, 11:47:23 PM

We don't blame anyone for not understanding our intentions, especially in a market that is all about money.
Yes of course and that's the primary target on all businesses.Its just really hard to be convinced that you are running without minding the profitability of your website.

It's probably the last option to bring more users to the site, to bring more traffic to it. The owner won't get profit from their users but still could get profit from the traffic. It could be a perfect marketing strategy anyway.

Traffic and ads wont be sustainable when we do talk about gambling site expenses.It would not suffice for sure.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: rijaljun on September 28, 2019, 12:31:42 AM
Traffic and ads wont be sustainable when we do talk about gambling site expenses.It would not suffice for sure.
I think they would not really afraid of the expenses as OP said it's PvP
Quote from: Runnert
It's PvP so we don't have to worry about bankruptsy due to payouts.

Honestly I don't 100% agree with this idea for long-term even though it's good for start. I know one gambling site called Edgeless (EDG), almost the same with this. They are offering zero house edge but 0,83% (CMIIW) in practice. They use the words "0% house edge" in order to attract people to join them. Perhaps, in the future (after getting a lot of users), this new site will do something with their users (either good or bad) or applying low house edge in order to pay the expenses.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Lanatsa on September 28, 2019, 11:38:24 AM
Traffic and ads wont be sustainable when we do talk about gambling site expenses.It would not suffice for sure.
I think they would not really afraid of the expenses as OP said it's PvP
Quote from: Runnert
It's PvP so we don't have to worry about bankruptsy due to payouts.

Honestly I don't 100% agree with this idea for long-term even though it's good for start. I know one gambling site called Edgeless (EDG), almost the same with this. They are offering zero house edge but 0,83% (CMIIW) in practice. They use the words "0% house edge" in order to attract people to join them. Perhaps, in the future (after getting a lot of users), this new site will do something with their users (either good or bad) or applying low house edge in order to pay the expenses.
Lets say its PvP but dont you consider on maintenance and expenses on maintaining the site? As an owner- you would be willing to pull out money for others benefits?
About on that Edgeless thing you said it is indeed possible that they would head up on that way.Anything can be change when they do saw that they already attracted lots of users and do impose fees in near future but the BIG question is, would they able to attract gamblers?


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 28, 2019, 11:52:19 AM
I won't say this site is legit or not. Many people will think it's not profitable to create a zero-edge gambling site, but don't you think it can be good and profitable as well as others? It's probably the last option to bring more users to the site, to bring more traffic to it. The owner won't get profit from their users but still could get profit from the traffic. It could be a perfect marketing strategy anyway.

I'm not sure it will run for long time, but at least they will have many users at first.

We are not looking to profit from it in anyway. Also not on the traffic. Actually it's the other way around, we currently have 2-5 players and hope to get more later in the process.



We don't blame anyone for not understanding our intentions, especially in a market that is all about money.
Yes of course and that's the primary target on all businesses.Its just really hard to be convinced that you are running without minding the profitability of your website.

It's probably the last option to bring more users to the site, to bring more traffic to it. The owner won't get profit from their users but still could get profit from the traffic. It could be a perfect marketing strategy anyway.

Traffic and ads wont be sustainable when we do talk about gambling site expenses.It would not suffice for sure.

I am wondering what expenses did you have in mind?



Traffic and ads wont be sustainable when we do talk about gambling site expenses.It would not suffice for sure.
I think they would not really afraid of the expenses as OP said it's PvP
Quote from: Runnert
It's PvP so we don't have to worry about bankruptsy due to payouts.

Honestly I don't 100% agree with this idea for long-term even though it's good for start. I know one gambling site called Edgeless (EDG), almost the same with this. They are offering zero house edge but 0,83% (CMIIW) in practice. They use the words "0% house edge" in order to attract people to join them. Perhaps, in the future (after getting a lot of users), this new site will do something with their users (either good or bad) or applying low house edge in order to pay the expenses.

Zero means zero so not 0.0001% but 0%. And we will NEVER slide in a house edge.




Traffic and ads wont be sustainable when we do talk about gambling site expenses.It would not suffice for sure.
I think they would not really afraid of the expenses as OP said it's PvP
Quote from: Runnert
It's PvP so we don't have to worry about bankruptsy due to payouts.

Honestly I don't 100% agree with this idea for long-term even though it's good for start. I know one gambling site called Edgeless (EDG), almost the same with this. They are offering zero house edge but 0,83% (CMIIW) in practice. They use the words "0% house edge" in order to attract people to join them. Perhaps, in the future (after getting a lot of users), this new site will do something with their users (either good or bad) or applying low house edge in order to pay the expenses.
Lets say its PvP but dont you consider on maintenance and expenses on maintaining the site? As an owner- you would be willing to pull out money for others benefits?
About on that Edgeless thing you said it is indeed possible that they would head up on that way.Anything can be change when they do saw that they already attracted lots of users and do impose fees in near future but the BIG question is, would they able to attract gamblers?

I am not sure if we are able to attract gamblers everyone is free to play where ever they want.
Maintaining the site almost costs nothing. We are willing to cover that. We will never change the house edge.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: adzino on September 28, 2019, 01:19:42 PM
Zero house edge? This means both the house and the players have equal chance of winning. So, how is this going to work? How is the casino going to make a profit? Since you have zero house edge, this means in the long run there is a chance that your bankroll won't exist anymore since users might win it all.
Anyways, if you are trying to advertise for your casino, then make a proper announcement thread with all important and required information. This you way you will get better response than now.

It's PvP so we don't have to worry about pay outs, you could see us as a platfrom where gamblers can play against each other without interferance of a third-party. We are not really looking for quick growth so i think if we do that we will to too busy with PR stuff instead or programming.

So if its PvP, how would you guys profit? You guys are going to be taking a small fee from both sides of the users just like poker rake? What's the total percentage of the commission? Again, if this is PvP then I don't get it why would you guys be advertising by saying that you guys have "zero house edge"? Of course the house is not going to be involved here unless the player is playing against the house (which again will cause problems to the bankroll in the long run).

gamblers can play against each otherwithout interferance of a third-party
Care to explain more? You guys are the third party over here holding the users balance and stuffs.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: rijaljun on September 28, 2019, 01:26:28 PM
I won't say this site is legit or not. Many people will think it's not profitable to create a zero-edge gambling site, but don't you think it can be good and profitable as well as others? It's probably the last option to bring more users to the site, to bring more traffic to it. The owner won't get profit from their users but still could get profit from the traffic. It could be a perfect marketing strategy anyway.

I'm not sure it will run for long time, but at least they will have many users at first.

We are not looking to profit from it in anyway. Also not on the traffic. Actually it's the other way around, we currently have 2-5 players and hope to get more later in the process.
If you won't taking any profit from it, I'm frightened of your idea. If you do so, then I'm sure this won't have a long run and at the end I'm afraid that many people will lose their funds on the website when everything is done and you can't maintain this anymore.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 28, 2019, 02:13:57 PM
Zero house edge? This means both the house and the players have equal chance of winning. So, how is this going to work? How is the casino going to make a profit? Since you have zero house edge, this means in the long run there is a chance that your bankroll won't exist anymore since users might win it all.
Anyways, if you are trying to advertise for your casino, then make a proper announcement thread with all important and required information. This you way you will get better response than now.

It's PvP so we don't have to worry about pay outs, you could see us as a platfrom where gamblers can play against each other without interferance of a third-party. We are not really looking for quick growth so i think if we do that we will to too busy with PR stuff instead or programming.

So if its PvP, how would you guys profit? You guys are going to be taking a small fee from both sides of the users just like poker rake? What's the total percentage of the commission? Again, if this is PvP then I don't get it why would you guys be advertising by saying that you guys have "zero house edge"? Of course the house is not going to be involved here unless the player is playing against the house (which again will cause problems to the bankroll in the long run).


We are not looking for ways to make profit. No fees, no coin exchange rate or anything. We wanted to create the purest form of gambling possible.
We say 0% house-edge to make ppl understand we gain nothing from it.

gamblers can play against each otherwithout interferance of a third-party
Care to explain more? You guys are the third party over here holding the users balance and stuffs.


With interference by a third-party we mean: giving in money to a casino/host. Yes we are a third-party but we are not interfering money wise, we are only there for the convenience that ppl don't have to be sitting together irl.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 28, 2019, 02:21:08 PM
I won't say this site is legit or not. Many people will think it's not profitable to create a zero-edge gambling site, but don't you think it can be good and profitable as well as others? It's probably the last option to bring more users to the site, to bring more traffic to it. The owner won't get profit from their users but still could get profit from the traffic. It could be a perfect marketing strategy anyway.

I'm not sure it will run for long time, but at least they will have many users at first.

We are not looking to profit from it in anyway. Also not on the traffic. Actually it's the other way around, we currently have 2-5 players and hope to get more later in the process.
If you won't taking any profit from it, I'm frightened of your idea. If you do so, then I'm sure this won't have a long run and at the end I'm afraid that many people will lose their funds on the website when everything is done and you can't maintain this anymore.

If we are not able to maintain the site anymore( witch is highly unlikely ) we will make sure all funds go to the rightfull owner.
Like i said earlier: if we wanted to scam the ordinary guy there are 1000 other ways to do that way more efficient without building an complex gambling site.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 29, 2019, 07:15:59 PM
Dear Everyone,

We have been working on a free to use online casino with zero house edge! We choose to leave the house edge out because we believe there should be no need to gain from gamblers. After all we fund this site from our own pockets. We also strongly believe in anonymity so we do not apply KYC or collect any data besides your email (which doesnít need confirmation). After weeks of building we are proud to announce to you we have launched our beta version. But please keep in mind this is only the beta and we will we be continuously working on this project. In the future we will be adding more games and a more friendly UI but for now we try to focus on what is important. Itís a Player vs Player system and the winner takes all, without any house edge or fees. Make sure you check it out even if you are not a gambler! We truly appreciate all feedback and suggestions. gl hf =)    https://www.fifty-fifty.casino

P.S.
Somewhere next week we plan to roll out an update that makes our RNG 100% waterproof. Make sure you keep updated through this post.

Sincerely,

Fifty-Fifty


We have updated some questions to our original post. :)


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: rijaljun on September 30, 2019, 12:53:27 AM
If we are not able to maintain the site anymore( witch is highly unlikely ) we will make sure all funds go to the rightfull owner.
Like i said earlier: if we wanted to scam the ordinary guy there are 1000 other ways to do that way more efficient without building an complex gambling site.
Just remember that we are in crypto world, and it means we should trust no one. Probably you are honest person, I don't know but people should not easily trust others just to keep them safe. Anyway, what is the complex parts you are talking about?


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: adaseb on September 30, 2019, 04:27:55 AM
The issue here is that this sounds like a potential scam since you are saying it's 0% house edge and you are running this site under the goodness of your heart.

I would understand if a large Bitcoin casino like Fortunejack, Primedice, Bitsler launched some sister site and claimed it was 0% house edge because it's PvP then I would believe them, because they already got a income stream with their main site. However you don't seem to have one in anyway and it seems like it might be a potential exit scam in the future, especially with the very simple design. Means not too much effort was put into this and another reason why it might be a scam.

My questions are also like the above posters, how can we prove it's really some unique player on the other side of the bet and not yourself, since you know the server seed and client seeds.?


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: leea-1334 on September 30, 2019, 05:53:47 AM

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 30, 2019, 07:41:42 PM
If we are not able to maintain the site anymore( witch is highly unlikely ) we will make sure all funds go to the rightfull owner.
Like i said earlier: if we wanted to scam the ordinary guy there are 1000 other ways to do that way more efficient without building an complex gambling site.
Just remember that we are in crypto world, and it means we should trust no one. Probably you are honest person, I don't know but people should not easily trust others just to keep them safe. Anyway, what is the complex parts you are talking about?

I understand that and if ppl don't trust it they can always deposit like 2$ and withdraw directly after they win something.
Well prob 90% of all gambling sites run on the same scrips. Ours on the other hand is build from scratch we use the most up-to-date techniques like Laravel and Vue with the newest versions. This combined with all updates over web sockets and not using any Ajax polling at all making is a lot of work to build new features. We don't chose the easy way, compared to the frontend we put a lot of effort in the backend of the website. Please keep in mind that everything is made out of nothing :) We started at 0% just like our house-edge ;) if there are any more technical questions I will be glad to answer them.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 30, 2019, 08:31:19 PM

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.



Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on September 30, 2019, 08:55:41 PM
The issue here is that this sounds like a potential scam since you are saying it's 0% house edge and you are running this site under the goodness of your heart.

I would understand if a large Bitcoin casino like Fortunejack, Primedice, Bitsler launched some sister site and claimed it was 0% house edge because it's PvP then I would believe them, because they already got a income stream with their main site. However you don't seem to have one in anyway and it seems like it might be a potential exit scam in the future, especially with the very simple design. Means not too much effort was put into this and another reason why it might be a scam.

My questions are also like the above posters, how can we prove it's really some unique player on the other side of the bet and not yourself, since you know the server seed and client seeds.?

If an large casino would make this as a sister site, wouldn't they risk losing a lot of users on their main site and also lose their income stream as you said? All online casino's could pull of a exit scam but that is not our angle. Indeed the design is very simple at the moment, we are currently putting in a lot of effort on the backend of the website. But that doesn't mean there is not much effort put in. Just because it doesn't look like one of the 10.000 same casino websites. Their scrips are all pre-made, same with the layout. We actually build it an run it. They all bought some software. And have the funds to run it. We are planing to release a new RNG system somewhere this week.
Due to many concerns about the fact that; we(as the site owner) could play against the users while knowing the clientseed of the user that created a bet. We came up with a new way to give our bets 100% provably fair RNG. The new way will go as followed: Both players need to be online and in the same lobby, when both players are in the same lobby they create a clientseed in their browser. The hashed version of these clientseeds will be sent to the server. We will reveal your hashed version to the other player, and also the other way around. Make sure you copy your opponent's hashed clientseed, so you are able to check it after the bet has been played. When both players click 'confirm', both players will send their plain-text clientseed to the server at the same time.

In case something went wrong or someone tries to alter their clientseed in their browser after sending the hashed version of it, we will reject their clientseed. The person whose clientseed was wrong or is missing, still has the option to submit their clientseed within 48 hours and get the bet result. To make the system safe, the player whoís clientseed was correct has the option to either cancel the bet and refund the bet amount to both players, or to wait 48 hours and get all the funds without a result(but only if the other users didnít submit their clientseed before 48 hours). This makes our system 100% safe. The only downside is that both players have to be online and in the exact same lobby. Due to that we will also offer our old system for those who believe that we won't use the outcome against them. And don't feel like waiting all day until someone joins them because we currently do not have that much users yet.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: abel1337 on September 30, 2019, 09:46:36 PM

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.


A really new approach to gamblers. Having 0 house edge could be a game-changer but how can you supposed to maintain your gambling site if you are only relying upon on donations. Not to mention the hosting service fee and other website fee's. Finding a good sponsor or donator can help you a lot on the free service that you are giving. Hyping this gambling site could possibly attract some donators to support you.

Kudos to Runnert on making this gambling site without any house edge!


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on October 01, 2019, 12:30:45 PM

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.


A really new approach to gamblers. Having 0 house edge could be a game-changer but how can you supposed to maintain your gambling site if you are only relying upon on donations. Not to mention the hosting service fee and other website fee's. Finding a good sponsor or donator can help you a lot on the free service that you are giving. Hyping this gambling site could possibly attract some donators to support you.

Kudos to Runnert on making this gambling site without any house edge!

The only costs we have at the moment are hosting fee's. And we will pay that out of our own pocket, because it doesn't has any financial impact on us. We don't really feel like getting a sponsor because there isn't much to pay. Well we don't want to hype our project in anyway because we strongly believe that when the community finds it good enough, users will will follow after that. So we are going to do our best to get to a point where players feel like playing on our site. More like word of mouth advertising.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Yatsan on October 01, 2019, 02:42:54 PM

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.


A really new approach to gamblers. Having 0 house edge could be a game-changer but how can you supposed to maintain your gambling site if you are only relying upon on donations. Not to mention the hosting service fee and other website fee's. Finding a good sponsor or donator can help you a lot on the free service that you are giving. Hyping this gambling site could possibly attract some donators to support you.

Kudos to Runnert on making this gambling site without any house edge!

The only costs we have at the moment are hosting fee's. And we will pay that out of our own pocket, because it doesn't has any financial impact on us. We don't really feel like getting a sponsor because there isn't much to pay. Well we don't want to hype our project in anyway because we strongly believe that when the community finds it good enough, users will will follow after that. So we are going to do our best to get to a point where players feel like playing on our site. More like word of mouth advertising.
I'm still thinking what you will get from having a zero house edge gambling site? Like you are paying for hosting fee without generating income from your players. Do you already thought of having a player donations, so you could get some? or just waiting for donator and sponsors?  If you guys doing it for free some people will think there is something wrong?  I mean it's kinda weird


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on October 01, 2019, 09:40:26 PM

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.


A really new approach to gamblers. Having 0 house edge could be a game-changer but how can you supposed to maintain your gambling site if you are only relying upon on donations. Not to mention the hosting service fee and other website fee's. Finding a good sponsor or donator can help you a lot on the free service that you are giving. Hyping this gambling site could possibly attract some donators to support you.

Kudos to Runnert on making this gambling site without any house edge!

The only costs we have at the moment are hosting fee's. And we will pay that out of our own pocket, because it doesn't has any financial impact on us. We don't really feel like getting a sponsor because there isn't much to pay. Well we don't want to hype our project in anyway because we strongly believe that when the community finds it good enough, users will will follow after that. So we are going to do our best to get to a point where players feel like playing on our site. More like word of mouth advertising.
I'm still thinking what you will get from having a zero house edge gambling site? Like you are paying for hosting fee without generating income from your players. Do you already thought of having a player donations, so you could get some? or just waiting for donator and sponsors?  If you guys doing it for free some people will think there is something wrong?  I mean it's kinda weird
Players can donate to the project on the donation tab but you need to log in first before you can access it. It is kinda weird, the entire idea is something that hasn't been done before. But i can ensure you we want to create the best and safest experience for our users! :) That is why we were offline this afternoon to upgrade some security features.


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Post by: Runnert on October 02, 2019, 08:02:29 PM
Guys we update our thread to give you guys some more information. :)


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Post by: game-protect on October 02, 2019, 08:02:45 PM
There is already edgeless.io and they have a registered company, so players know who they can hold liable if they will get scammed.

Who is the operator of your show?


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Post by: Runnert on October 02, 2019, 08:30:39 PM
There is already edgeless.io and they have a registered company, so players know who they can hold liable if they will get scammed.

Who is the operator of your show?

We are the operators of this project.

I see where you are coming from but do you know what a ICO is, and how they are able to scam you even if you know who to hold liable? Did you ever heard about zero-edge.com?  https://medium.com/@rilandaker/ico-scam-alert-zeroedge-is-all-fake-207f85d6a9d7 please see this.
Eventually we will obtain a license, but without a sketchy ICO coin. :)

We do not have any intentions of scamming people, if we wanted to target the ordinary guy i could think of a 1000 ways to do that much more efficient. ;p


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Post by: game-protect on October 03, 2019, 10:09:24 AM
There is already edgeless.io and they have a registered company, so players know who they can hold liable if they will get scammed.

Who is the operator of your show?

We are the operators of this project.
I asked for the name of the company that operates your online casino?


We do not have any intentions of scamming people, if we wanted to target the ordinary guy i could think of a 1000 ways to do that much more efficient. ;p
The problem is that if someone plans to scam he will not tell it in advance!


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Yatsan on October 03, 2019, 11:50:44 AM

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.


A really new approach to gamblers. Having 0 house edge could be a game-changer but how can you supposed to maintain your gambling site if you are only relying upon on donations. Not to mention the hosting service fee and other website fee's. Finding a good sponsor or donator can help you a lot on the free service that you are giving. Hyping this gambling site could possibly attract some donators to support you.

Kudos to Runnert on making this gambling site without any house edge!

The only costs we have at the moment are hosting fee's. And we will pay that out of our own pocket, because it doesn't has any financial impact on us. We don't really feel like getting a sponsor because there isn't much to pay. Well we don't want to hype our project in anyway because we strongly believe that when the community finds it good enough, users will will follow after that. So we are going to do our best to get to a point where players feel like playing on our site. More like word of mouth advertising.
I'm still thinking what you will get from having a zero house edge gambling site? Like you are paying for hosting fee without generating income from your players. Do you already thought of having a player donations, so you could get some? or just waiting for donator and sponsors?  If you guys doing it for free some people will think there is something wrong?  I mean it's kinda weird
Players can donate to the project on the donation tab but you need to log in first before you can access it. It is kinda weird, the entire idea is something that hasn't been done before. But i can ensure you we want to create the best and safest experience for our users! :) That is why we were offline this afternoon to upgrade some security features.
So there will be a donation tab for players who wants to donate. As you have said it is something that hasn't been done before (If we're not mistaken) that is why prepare yourself guys to be ask by so many question especially when it comes to site maintenance and pool funds. I appreciate your effort on updating this thread and what you guys are up to, hope this will be successful.  ;)


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Post by: veleten on October 03, 2019, 12:07:40 PM
while the concept of the no-edge gambling is appealing , I would prefer a common business model with a  1% house edge
rather than some unsustainable and unknown way of getting profit
while I do believe in charity and hobbies , I exclude gambling sites since they are made to have profit for the owners , not fun
I only know one site that has implemented a zero edge model rather successfully , its a lottery and I can't say they are making big money with it  https://8bet.io/  if you wanna check them out , by the way
in any case , more competition is always good , have the top sites move forward and the smaller ones try to overtake them , this what makes the gambling world go round :)
( and money , of course)


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Post by: Runnert on October 03, 2019, 12:49:21 PM
There is already edgeless.io and they have a registered company, so players know who they can hold liable if they will get scammed.

Who is the operator of your show?

We are the operators of this project.
I asked for the name of the company that operates your online casino?

There is currently no financial institution behind us, also no company as you could say. Just the Fifty-Fifty brand and us working on it.
I get you would like to know who we are, but due to the fact this is an online BTC casino, anonymity is a must for us. I hope you will understand that.


We do not have any intentions of scamming people, if we wanted to target the ordinary guy i could think of a 1000 ways to do that much more efficient. ;p
The problem is that if someone plans to scam he will not tell it in advance!

I understand, and if you do not feel comfortable with our service, make sure you do not deposit any funds.
Besides that like i explained earlier if we wanted to target ordinary people, we wouldn't have make this complex gambling platform.




Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling
Post by: Runnert on October 03, 2019, 06:16:31 PM

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.


A really new approach to gamblers. Having 0 house edge could be a game-changer but how can you supposed to maintain your gambling site if you are only relying upon on donations. Not to mention the hosting service fee and other website fee's. Finding a good sponsor or donator can help you a lot on the free service that you are giving. Hyping this gambling site could possibly attract some donators to support you.

Kudos to Runnert on making this gambling site without any house edge!

The only costs we have at the moment are hosting fee's. And we will pay that out of our own pocket, because it doesn't has any financial impact on us. We don't really feel like getting a sponsor because there isn't much to pay. Well we don't want to hype our project in anyway because we strongly believe that when the community finds it good enough, users will will follow after that. So we are going to do our best to get to a point where players feel like playing on our site. More like word of mouth advertising.
I'm still thinking what you will get from having a zero house edge gambling site? Like you are paying for hosting fee without generating income from your players. Do you already thought of having a player donations, so you could get some? or just waiting for donator and sponsors?  If you guys doing it for free some people will think there is something wrong?  I mean it's kinda weird
Players can donate to the project on the donation tab but you need to log in first before you can access it. It is kinda weird, the entire idea is something that hasn't been done before. But i can ensure you we want to create the best and safest experience for our users! :) That is why we were offline this afternoon to upgrade some security features.
So there will be a donation tab for players who wants to donate. As you have said it is something that hasn't been done before (If we're not mistaken) that is why prepare yourself guys to be ask by so many question especially when it comes to site maintenance and pool funds. I appreciate your effort on updating this thread and what you guys are up to, hope this will be successful.  ;)

Once you make an acount the donation tab will reveal it self.
 We are glad to answer any project related questions.

Thank you for your positive feedback! :)


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Post by: shield132 on October 03, 2019, 06:57:55 PM
I read your thread's first post, love the story to be fair, it shows great and right motive behind this project. But donation in casinos still sounds very funny, donate in casino instead of donate for poor people? Don't take it wrongly but I think there are some issues.
If your plan is to really help gamble addicts, be more informative around this subject too on your website to achieve better results.
Also you need to change UI as soon as possible, it's not really nice, I know you'll do that in some time but you really need some key to make customer visit your website and with bad UI it makes your promotion very hard.
On another hand wish you luck and all the best but I guess you seriously need to consider alternative methods of profit from your website rather than depend on just donation.


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Post by: Runnert on October 03, 2019, 11:15:36 PM
while the concept of the no-edge gambling is appealing , I would prefer a common business model with a  1% house edge
rather than some unsustainable and unknown way of getting profit
while I do believe in charity and hobbies , I exclude gambling sites since they are made to have profit for the owners , not fun
I only know one site that has implemented a zero edge model rather successfully , its a lottery and I can't say they are making big money with it  https://8bet.io/  if you wanna check them out , by the way
in any case , more competition is always good , have the top sites move forward and the smaller ones try to overtake them , this what makes the gambling world go round :)
( and money , of course)

There is no unsustainable or unknown way of getting profit, because we are not looking to make profit. Well we find coding this website fun and we see it more as a challenge do make it.
We would love to see our final product being self sustainable. If the platform grows too big and there is not enough income with donations, we might add some advertisements later on.
I agree, that is why we wanted to build this not only for a good purpose but also to make a statement within the betting community.


I read your thread's first post, love the story to be fair, it shows great and right motive behind this project. But donation in casinos still sounds very funny, donate in casino instead of donate for poor people? Don't take it wrongly but I think there are some issues.
If your plan is to really help gamble addicts, be more informative around this subject too on your website to achieve better results.
Also you need to change UI as soon as possible, it's not really nice, I know you'll do that in some time but you really need some key to make customer visit your website and with bad UI it makes your promotion very hard.
On another hand wish you luck and all the best but I guess you seriously need to consider alternative methods of profit from your website rather than depend on just donation.

Thank you for your positive feedback! :)

We will change our UI later on because we want to make sure everything works perfectly, i understand that it is a big thing for gamblers but from our perspective important stuff first(RNG, security and a smooth backend).
After that we will look into our UI.
Good point, we will update our website information as soon as we got time for it. In the end we hope our platfrom will become self-sustainable. If the platform grows too big and we get not that many donations, we might add some advertisements later on. But we will never change our house edge of anything like that! 

P.S. In regular casino's many people do give tips to the croupier. ;P




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Post by: veleten on October 04, 2019, 01:00:05 PM
so , the monetization will be through donations , right?
I would like to see the site first , but I'm sure the business model is simply not going to make it
from my experience, when you provide some service or goods and ask people to donate if they like it
you will end up with one or two random donations , if even that , but I can see you are not too worried about the money aspect
adding ads to a gambling site doesn't give any bonus points from the point of view of a gambler
but once again , lets wait and see the product first , when is the ETA for the site to go live?


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Post by: Runnert on October 05, 2019, 10:42:57 PM
so , the monetization will be through donations , right?
I would like to see the site first , but I'm sure the business model is simply not going to make it
from my experience, when you provide some service or goods and ask people to donate if they like it
you will end up with one or two random donations , if even that , but I can see you are not too worried about the money aspect
adding ads to a gambling site doesn't give any bonus points from the point of view of a gambler
but once again , lets wait and see the product first , when is the ETA for the site to go live?

You can visit our site at www.Fifty-Fifty.casino. we are currently in the beta so don't expect to much.

Tips are really common in the regular casino's. There is no business model because all donations will be used to improve the website. We will not use the donations for our own benefit. Well we heard that most people don't mind seeing 1-2 adds a day for a free casino. Just to keep the platform self-sustainable.


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Post by: Twinkledoe on October 05, 2019, 10:47:52 PM
What additional games are you planning to integrate on your gambling site? I am curious what will happen to this site after a couple or six of months of active operations. Can they sustain their business or not?


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Post by: Runnert on October 06, 2019, 12:14:47 AM
What additional games are you planning to integrate on your gambling site? I am curious what will happen to this site after a couple or six of months of active operations. Can they sustain their business or not?

We want to add dice games with multiple players, poker, sports-bets(PvP) and lotteries. If the community has some other idea we are willing to add that if it is PvP and without house edge. We are curious as well if people are going to use our service.


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Post by: veleten on October 06, 2019, 02:40:07 PM
so , the monetization will be through donations , right?
I would like to see the site first , but I'm sure the business model is simply not going to make it
from my experience, when you provide some service or goods and ask people to donate if they like it
you will end up with one or two random donations , if even that , but I can see you are not too worried about the money aspect
adding ads to a gambling site doesn't give any bonus points from the point of view of a gambler
but once again , lets wait and see the product first , when is the ETA for the site to go live?

You can visit our site at www.Fifty-Fifty.casino. we are currently in the beta so don't expect to much.

Tips are really common in the regular casino's. There is no business model because all donations will be used to improve the website. We will not use the donations for our own benefit. Well we heard that most people don't mind seeing 1-2 adds a day for a free casino. Just to keep the platform self-sustainable.

well , I had a peek
the site is very basic , to put it mildly :0
its a pure PVP site, you say that there will be only player vs player games
this leads to another problem , that really hampers all of the PVP casinos - provably fair aspect
it is very hard to prove that the opponent you just lost to is not a house bot or the games are not rigged in any way
there were many attempts to create a popular pvp casino , all of them failed
lets hope you find a winning formula and your site makes it , good luck


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Post by: Runnert on October 06, 2019, 11:48:13 PM
so , the monetization will be through donations , right?
I would like to see the site first , but I'm sure the business model is simply not going to make it
from my experience, when you provide some service or goods and ask people to donate if they like it
you will end up with one or two random donations , if even that , but I can see you are not too worried about the money aspect
adding ads to a gambling site doesn't give any bonus points from the point of view of a gambler
but once again , lets wait and see the product first , when is the ETA for the site to go live?

You can visit our site at www.Fifty-Fifty.casino. we are currently in the beta so don't expect to much.

Tips are really common in the regular casino's. There is no business model because all donations will be used to improve the website. We will not use the donations for our own benefit. Well we heard that most people don't mind seeing 1-2 adds a day for a free casino. Just to keep the platform self-sustainable.

well , I had a peek
the site is very basic , to put it mildly :0
its a pure PVP site, you say that there will be only player vs player games
this leads to another problem , that really hampers all of the PVP casinos - provably fair aspect
it is very hard to prove that the opponent you just lost to is not a house bot or the games are not rigged in any way
there were many attempts to create a popular pvp casino , all of them failed
lets hope you find a winning formula and your site makes it , good luck

I understand the site looks kinda basic at the moment. We are working really hard on improving the backend of the website. The next couple of months we will start with improving our UI. Please read the bottom part of our thread this will clarify the provable fair part. ;P




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Post by: BTCevo on October 07, 2019, 03:00:16 PM
What additional games are you planning to integrate on your gambling site? I am curious what will happen to this site after a couple or six of months of active operations. Can they sustain their business or not?

We want to add dice games with multiple players, poker, sports-bets(PvP) and lotteries. If the community has some other idea we are willing to add that if it is PvP and without house edge. We are curious as well if people are going to use our service.

How are you being able to get money if there is no house edge on your site? I do not understand how are you going to generate some money here. Even if it is a PvP based game there should be some fee that eill be deducted when you are winning towards other players. But here you are saying there is no house edge which means that when players win there will be no deduction for fee. So what is the point of having this gambling site for the start?

For players it will be good enough to have something like this for playing because it is pure 50/50 chance but is it profitable for you? I do not think so


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Post by: Runnert on October 07, 2019, 05:47:55 PM
What additional games are you planning to integrate on your gambling site? I am curious what will happen to this site after a couple or six of months of active operations. Can they sustain their business or not?

We want to add dice games with multiple players, poker, sports-bets(PvP) and lotteries. If the community has some other idea we are willing to add that if it is PvP and without house edge. We are curious as well if people are going to use our service.

How are you being able to get money if there is no house edge on your site? I do not understand how are you going to generate some money here. Even if it is a PvP based game there should be some fee that eill be deducted when you are winning towards other players. But here you are saying there is no house edge which means that when players win there will be no deduction for fee. So what is the point of having this gambling site for the start?

For players it will be good enough to have something like this for playing because it is pure 50/50 chance but is it profitable for you? I do not think so


There will be zero fees or edges. We are not looking to make profit from this project. But we do want the project to be self-sustainable in the long run. So we might add some advertisements later on.


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Post by: adaseb on October 07, 2019, 07:04:28 PM
Please change your topic to something less flashy like your site name and maybe a feature or two like PvP and No House edge.

Like I said before I just don't see this ever being successful. You can't survive without a house edge, the donation idea will not work. Maybe if someone wins big they will donate 1% but most gamblers are greedy and won't donate anything at all.

Another issue is that in crypto we tried the PvP model before and it was even an option on the large prime size dice site and after a few years they removed the option due to low interest.

Most people rather just do it again the house and rely on provably fair.


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Post by: Runnert on October 08, 2019, 10:29:24 AM
Please change your topic to something less flashy like your site name and maybe a feature or two like PvP and No House edge.

Like I said before I just don't see this ever being successful. You can't survive without a house edge, the donation idea will not work. Maybe if someone wins big they will donate 1% but most gamblers are greedy and won't donate anything at all.

Another issue is that in crypto we tried the PvP model before and it was even an option on the large prime size dice site and after a few years they removed the option due to low interest.

Most people rather just do it again the house and rely on provably fair.


We tried something less flashy but we didn't got that many views.. We operate within the criteria of this forum.

If the donation idea doesn't work we might add some advertisements later on, but like i said donations are just to get extra progress on the site.
Think about paying for a website translator etc. We are not hoping on making a living from the donations aspect. Also not on the adds, those will be there just to make the platform self-sustainable. If that happens within 2 years we will be happy enough.

Well we will be provable fair, and will try to get out all the flaws the co-exist with a PvP system.
We believe that this will work, and we will do our best to make it work. ;P


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Post by: MonsterV on October 08, 2019, 10:59:01 AM
Please change your topic to something less flashy like your site name and maybe a feature or two like PvP and No House edge.

Like I said before I just don't see this ever being successful. You can't survive without a house edge, the donation idea will not work. Maybe if someone wins big they will donate 1% but most gamblers are greedy and won't donate anything at all.

Another issue is that in crypto we tried the PvP model before and it was even an option on the large prime size dice site and after a few years they removed the option due to low interest.

Most people rather just do it again the house and rely on provably fair.


We tried something less flashy but we didn't got that many views.. We operate within the criteria of this forum.

If the donation idea doesn't work we might add some advertisements later on, but like i said donations are just to get extra progress on the site.
Think about paying for a website translator etc. We are not hoping on making a living from the donations aspect. Also not on the adds, those will be there just to make the platform self-sustainable. If that happens within 2 years we will be happy enough.

Well we will be provable fair, and will try to get out all the flaws the co-exist with a PvP system.
We believe that this will work, and we will do our best to make it work. ;P

I will fully support the project that you are going to make, but at least you guarantee something or have a respected member partner in this forum. So people will trust you far more, rather than having to advertise. Indeed this is not fair, when I ask for guarantees about your project and you do not get anything from the project that you made, but believe when you have a guarantee there will be many donations to your project, not even just on your project, but a donation to you personally.


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Post by: Runnert on October 08, 2019, 05:45:30 PM
Please change your topic to something less flashy like your site name and maybe a feature or two like PvP and No House edge.

Like I said before I just don't see this ever being successful. You can't survive without a house edge, the donation idea will not work. Maybe if someone wins big they will donate 1% but most gamblers are greedy and won't donate anything at all.

Another issue is that in crypto we tried the PvP model before and it was even an option on the large prime size dice site and after a few years they removed the option due to low interest.

Most people rather just do it again the house and rely on provably fair.


We tried something less flashy but we didn't got that many views.. We operate within the criteria of this forum.

If the donation idea doesn't work we might add some advertisements later on, but like i said donations are just to get extra progress on the site.
Think about paying for a website translator etc. We are not hoping on making a living from the donations aspect. Also not on the adds, those will be there just to make the platform self-sustainable. If that happens within 2 years we will be happy enough.

Well we will be provable fair, and will try to get out all the flaws the co-exist with a PvP system.
We believe that this will work, and we will do our best to make it work. ;P

I will fully support the project that you are going to make, but at least you guarantee something or have a respected member partner in this forum. So people will trust you far more, rather than having to advertise. Indeed this is not fair, when I ask for guarantees about your project and you do not get anything from the project that you made, but believe when you have a guarantee there will be many donations to your project, not even just on your project, but a donation to you personally.


We understand but, we believe that users will attract more users. And we will be continuously working on this project and we hope one day people will trust us enough en start playing. We will update our work progress through this forum. Besides that, the donation aspect is only for users who want to see the platform growing faster! We see no reason to put our personal BTC adress anywhere.


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Post by: RivAngE on October 08, 2019, 05:56:51 PM
What's going on, why all those red balls? Are we in a red lights district or something?
One red ball would be enough, no need to pop our eyes out!


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Post by: Quidat on October 08, 2019, 07:59:08 PM
Please change your topic to something less flashy like your site name and maybe a feature or two like PvP and No House edge.

Like I said before I just don't see this ever being successful. You can't survive without a house edge, the donation idea will not work. Maybe if someone wins big they will donate 1% but most gamblers are greedy and won't donate anything at all.

Another issue is that in crypto we tried the PvP model before and it was even an option on the large prime size dice site and after a few years they removed the option due to low interest.

Most people rather just do it again the house and rely on provably fair.
Its really unsustainable on the longer run yet we know that site profitability would only depend on donations? Ads?Traffic?
Sooner or later they would realize that those things cant really able to cope up on sites expense and would tend to switch
to have edge ones which isnt surprising.This model had been tried out already by some gambling sites but ending up to closure
and as said this isnt sustainable.

^ I agree that those red balls are quite a distraction.


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Post by: Runnert on October 09, 2019, 01:49:29 PM
What's going on, why all those red balls? Are we in a red lights district or something?
One red ball would be enough, no need to pop our eyes out!

Lol, i know it's a bit flashy but we saw how other casino's did it with there emoji's and we didn't feel like doing the same. At first we had a simple sentence but there wasn't this much attention, we want to stand out in anyway possible. ;P

Please change your topic to something less flashy like your site name and maybe a feature or two like PvP and No House edge.

Like I said before I just don't see this ever being successful. You can't survive without a house edge, the donation idea will not work. Maybe if someone wins big they will donate 1% but most gamblers are greedy and won't donate anything at all.

Another issue is that in crypto we tried the PvP model before and it was even an option on the large prime size dice site and after a few years they removed the option due to low interest.

Most people rather just do it again the house and rely on provably fair.
Its really unsustainable on the longer run yet we know that site profitability would only depend on donations? Ads?Traffic?
Sooner or later they would realize that those things cant really able to cope up on sites expense and would tend to switch
to have edge ones which isnt surprising.This model had been tried out already by some gambling sites but ending up to closure
and as said this isnt sustainable.

^ I agree that those red balls are quite a distraction.

We will never switch to a house edge of fee in anyway. If it won't be able to become self-sustainable we will cover all expenses. And yes the model has been tried out before but always with a business model behind it, since we don't have one we will never say that it isn't profiting enough.
I see everyone talking about expenses, what did you have in mind beside the hosting? It's not a company, no employees, no making revenue. Only hosting and we calculated that we are able to cover the hosting at any given time, even with 10,000 users.


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Post by: BTCevo on October 12, 2019, 05:57:04 AM
What additional games are you planning to integrate on your gambling site? I am curious what will happen to this site after a couple or six of months of active operations. Can they sustain their business or not?

We want to add dice games with multiple players, poker, sports-bets(PvP) and lotteries. If the community has some other idea we are willing to add that if it is PvP and without house edge. We are curious as well if people are going to use our service.

How are you being able to get money if there is no house edge on your site? I do not understand how are you going to generate some money here. Even if it is a PvP based game there should be some fee that eill be deducted when you are winning towards other players. But here you are saying there is no house edge which means that when players win there will be no deduction for fee. So what is the point of having this gambling site for the start?

For players it will be good enough to have something like this for playing because it is pure 50/50 chance but is it profitable for you? I do not think so


There will be zero fees or edges. We are not looking to make profit from this project. But we do want the project to be self-sustainable in the long run. So we might add some advertisements later on.

If you does not try to make money, how are you going to develop your site then? Everyone know that any gambling site should get some profit or even take some fees to develop their site or may be to use it for the marketing so more players will come and stay to play. But if your site does not need profit, how do you think your site is going to be then? Just opening platform for players to gamble without any purpose?


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Post by: janggernaut on October 12, 2019, 09:50:15 AM

There will be zero fees or edges. We are not looking to make profit from this project. But we do want the project to be self-sustainable in the long run. So we might add some advertisements later on.

If you does not try to make money, how are you going to develop your site then? Everyone know that any gambling site should get some profit or even take some fees to develop their site or may be to use it for the marketing so more players will come and stay to play. But if your site does not need profit, how do you think your site is going to be then? Just opening platform for players to gamble without any purpose?
He already said that if he will add advertisements later, so it will be their main source of income for his gambling site. (although i still wonder how they will get people's attention since they are still new on here)


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Post by: Runnert on October 15, 2019, 01:08:49 PM
What additional games are you planning to integrate on your gambling site? I am curious what will happen to this site after a couple or six of months of active operations. Can they sustain their business or not?

We want to add dice games with multiple players, poker, sports-bets(PvP) and lotteries. If the community has some other idea we are willing to add that if it is PvP and without house edge. We are curious as well if people are going to use our service.

How are you being able to get money if there is no house edge on your site? I do not understand how are you going to generate some money here. Even if it is a PvP based game there should be some fee that eill be deducted when you are winning towards other players. But here you are saying there is no house edge which means that when players win there will be no deduction for fee. So what is the point of having this gambling site for the start?

For players it will be good enough to have something like this for playing because it is pure 50/50 chance but is it profitable for you? I do not think so


There will be zero fees or edges. We are not looking to make profit from this project. But we do want the project to be self-sustainable in the long run. So we might add some advertisements later on.

If you does not try to make money, how are you going to develop your site then? Everyone know that any gambling site should get some profit or even take some fees to develop their site or may be to use it for the marketing so more players will come and stay to play. But if your site does not need profit, how do you think your site is going to be then? Just opening platform for players to gamble without any purpose?

Sorry for my late reply, we have been very busy with the site and our personal life.

We develop the site and we do not need any income. We hope gamblers will understand that all the other casinos always win. That is our purpose.



There will be zero fees or edges. We are not looking to make profit from this project. But we do want the project to be self-sustainable in the long run. So we might add some advertisements later on.

If you does not try to make money, how are you going to develop your site then? Everyone know that any gambling site should get some profit or even take some fees to develop their site or may be to use it for the marketing so more players will come and stay to play. But if your site does not need profit, how do you think your site is going to be then? Just opening platform for players to gamble without any purpose?
He already said that if he will add advertisements later, so it will be their main source of income for his gambling site. (although i still wonder how they will get people's attention since they are still new on here)

The advertisement will only enter the site if the costs will become to high to cover it our selfs. Not as a way to gain a source of income.
We hope people will alert each other about this platform, but also there is no need to grow fast. ;)


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Post by: Runnert on October 15, 2019, 06:57:56 PM
What is your business model? From what I've seen, you don't seem to have any method of making a profit, since you don't take any rake. I'm worried that you're only method of turning a profit is by cheating on your heads and tails game - you know the server seed and know the opponent's client seed, so you can easily create a client seed that generates a win for you.

Fixed that issue :)


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Post by: akirasendo17 on October 16, 2019, 11:47:19 AM
I think its better to launch once the project is fully functional, let people wait but make sure , that its worth it, no need to hurry they. can still wait


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Post by: Runnert on October 16, 2019, 01:47:47 PM
I think its better to launch once the project is fully functional, let people wait but make sure , that its worth it, no need to hurry they. can still wait

I understand what you said and that is the most common way to launch a casino. But from our perspective; we would like to develop the site along with the community and show you guys the progress and if there is something wrong(for example our old RNG system) we will fixt it right away.
In this way it's not only our project but yours also! :)

And thb we expected more developers/technical feedback but all feedback is welcome! Please let u know what you think should be added in the site. :P


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Post by: Runnert on October 17, 2019, 01:35:59 PM
We will add a PvH mode(also zero-edge/rake) soon and free faucets :)


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Post by: Runnert on October 18, 2019, 09:51:20 PM
We will add a PvH mode(also zero-edge/rake) soon and free faucets :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAmSAvmvA70

More indepth video on how our RNG works(on the PvP side). Be aware only for people with technical knowledge! :)


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Post by: Runnert on October 21, 2019, 08:13:15 PM
Free Faucets are here! :)
Also the minimum bet amount has been set to 0.00000001BTC!

Also coming this week: Player vs House with 0% edge(up to 0.20$)!






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Post by: Runnert on October 22, 2019, 10:48:41 PM
Anyone had some more questions or feedback? :)


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Post by: Runnert on October 23, 2019, 07:57:32 PM
Hi all,

You can now play against the house with 50/50 odds!(up to 0.20$)
You can also do this with your free faucets! :)

GLHF


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Runnert on October 27, 2019, 12:26:14 PM
Fixed some small issues with people DDOSing us.

Will update our RNG page soon so it becomes more userfriendly to understand! :)


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: LoyceV on November 01, 2019, 03:40:10 PM
I've Merited you because you don't look like a spammer and thus shouldn't be restricted by Merit. However, you're "multiposting" a lot, so please stop that: use the edit button instead of making many posts on a row if you want to respond to many posts and you're the last one who posted in the thread.
I suggest you read Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0).

We are not trying to earn any revenue from it. We pay hosting out of our own pocket and we are currently in a financial state that allows us to do so. And the site will be 100% free, without any house edge even after the beta.
From what I've seen on faucet abuse in the past, I highly doubt this is a sustainable "business" model.

However, you wouldn't be the first website to start free and add advertising or payments later once the site becomes very popular. If that's part of the business plan, it kinda makes sense :)


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Post by: RivAngE on November 01, 2019, 08:07:57 PM

We are not trying to earn any revenue from it. We pay hosting out of our own pocket and we are currently in a financial state that allows us to do so. And the site will be 100% free, without any house edge even after the beta.
From what I've seen on faucet abuse in the past, I highly doubt this is a sustainable "business" model.

However, you wouldn't be the first website to start free and add advertising or payments later once the site becomes very popular. If that's part of the business plan, it kinda makes sense :)

And to be frank, for me and probably for other users too this approach of "we're giving out a service for free" makes me think twice about their trustworthiness.
Someone who acts like that has to either be a millionaire philanthropist or a scammer... we all know which of the two is more common in the internet!

Personally I've made free software without adds, but those have helped communities without me losing money, they've helped me grow my skills and also pocked some little money from donations.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: AmoreJaz on November 01, 2019, 09:19:47 PM
Hi all,

You can now play against the house with 50/50 odds!(up to 0.20$)
You can also do this with your free faucets! :)

GLHF

are you going to add more games other than heads or tails. its been awhile that i last visited your site and still no major improvement.
still in beta? when can we see the full pledge platform? this might be taking too long already.


We are not trying to earn any revenue from it. We pay hosting out of our own pocket and we are currently in a financial state that allows us to do so. And the site will be 100% free, without any house edge even after the beta.
From what I've seen on faucet abuse in the past, I highly doubt this is a sustainable "business" model.

However, you wouldn't be the first website to start free and add advertising or payments later once the site becomes very popular. If that's part of the business plan, it kinda makes sense :)

And to be frank, for me and probably for other users too this approach of "we're giving out a service for free" makes me think twice about their trustworthiness.
Someone who acts like that has to either be a millionaire philanthropist or a scammer... we all know which of the two is more common in the internet!

Personally I've made free software without adds, but those have helped communities without me losing money, they've helped me grow my skills and also pocked some little money from donations.

i dont think they can sustain their devt and operations for so long. having 0% house edge is really great. but if it will have impact in the longevity of the site, i guess it is better to have at least 0.5% house edge just to make things moving here...


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Runnert on November 02, 2019, 12:59:58 AM
I've Merited you because you don't look like a spammer and thus shouldn't be restricted by Merit. However, you're "multiposting" a lot, so please stop that: use the edit button instead of making many posts on a row if you want to respond to many posts and you're the last one who posted in the thread.
I suggest you read Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0).

We are not trying to earn any revenue from it. We pay hosting out of our own pocket and we are currently in a financial state that allows us to do so. And the site will be 100% free, without any house edge even after the beta.
From what I've seen on faucet abuse in the past, I highly doubt this is a sustainable "business" model.

However, you wouldn't be the first website to start free and add advertising or payments later once the site becomes very popular. If that's part of the business plan, it kinda makes sense :)

Yes i know about the multiposting sorry for that one..

Well the "business plan" is to make a self-sustainable free gambling site, where users are able to use the service without been taken advantage of.
We might add advertisements or other donations stimulants later on but the core idea will always be free to use! :)

Thank you for the merit! We appreciate your support and we will not forget ;)






We are not trying to earn any revenue from it. We pay hosting out of our own pocket and we are currently in a financial state that allows us to do so. And the site will be 100% free, without any house edge even after the beta.
From what I've seen on faucet abuse in the past, I highly doubt this is a sustainable "business" model.

However, you wouldn't be the first website to start free and add advertising or payments later once the site becomes very popular. If that's part of the business plan, it kinda makes sense :)

And to be frank, for me and probably for other users too this approach of "we're giving out a service for free" makes me think twice about their trustworthiness.
Someone who acts like that has to either be a millionaire philanthropist or a scammer... we all know which of the two is more common in the internet!

Personally I've made free software without adds, but those have helped communities without me losing money, they've helped me grow my skills and also pocked some little money from donations.

I hope the time will change your mind. We are not in this to scam anyone! But i can understand the "bad feeling about this".
We do have the option for donations, we enjoy working on this. Yes we do pay this service out of our own pocket but we are 100% okay with that.
Atleast for the comming years, in the long run we hope it will become self-sustainable.






Hi all,

You can now play against the house with 50/50 odds!(up to 0.20$)
You can also do this with your free faucets! :)

GLHF

are you going to add more games other than heads or tails. its been awhile that i last visited your site and still no major improvement.
still in beta? when can we see the full pledge platform? this might be taking too long already.


We are not trying to earn any revenue from it. We pay hosting out of our own pocket and we are currently in a financial state that allows us to do so. And the site will be 100% free, without any house edge even after the beta.
From what I've seen on faucet abuse in the past, I highly doubt this is a sustainable "business" model.

However, you wouldn't be the first website to start free and add advertising or payments later once the site becomes very popular. If that's part of the business plan, it kinda makes sense :)

And to be frank, for me and probably for other users too this approach of "we're giving out a service for free" makes me think twice about their trustworthiness.
Someone who acts like that has to either be a millionaire philanthropist or a scammer... we all know which of the two is more common in the internet!

Personally I've made free software without adds, but those have helped communities without me losing money, they've helped me grow my skills and also pocked some little money from donations.

i dont think they can sustain their devt and operations for so long. having 0% house edge is really great. but if it will have impact in the longevity of the site, i guess it is better to have at least 0.5% house edge just to make things moving here...

We will be adding more game in the future. Well we added free faucets, some improvement(minor bug fixes etc) and Player vs House. We will remain in the beta state for the next couple of months untill we added all the games and extra features( payment options, user interface etc).
In your eyes this might be taking to long, like we said we pay everthing and we have no rush at all(we don't care about the costs) we see it more as a hobby. :)
There will be no such thing as faucet abuse, its already been tried a couple of times without succes.

I don't think you quite understand us. We are the dev team, advertisement team and support etc. We are not looking for fast progress. Some feedback is enough! :)

We see no need for any house-edge.




P.S. We updated our RNG page to make it more user-friendly! :) https://fifty-fifty.casino/RNG


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Battareus on November 02, 2019, 06:51:30 AM
I have registered from my smartphone, immediately after registration I saw 2 buttons, one of them was "Dashboard" - it does not work. Then I tried to find a faucet - nothing came of it. Maybe itís somehow hidden in the mobile version of the site?


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Haunebu on November 02, 2019, 07:40:56 AM
We will be adding more game in the future. Well we added free faucets, some improvement(minor bug fixes etc) and Player vs House. We will remain in the beta state for the next couple of months untill we added all the games and extra features( payment options, user interface etc).
The first thing I advise is revamping the design completely since the current design is awful and I don't think many gamblers would feel like gambling here despite the 0% house edge that you are advertising op.

We see no need for any house-edge.
I feel that your intentions may be good, but the possibility of running your business for the long term without an edge is very low and time has proven that. If you still wish to carry on despite our warnings, it is up to you. All the best!


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Runnert on November 02, 2019, 12:14:27 PM
I have registered from my smartphone, immediately after registration I saw 2 buttons, one of them was "Dashboard" - it does not work. Then I tried to find a faucet - nothing came of it. Maybe itís somehow hidden in the mobile version of the site?

We didn't optimise the site for mobile yet i might look buggy. The is no button or tab for faucet, every account starts with a 0.00000050 BTC balance. We will look into mobile in the coming weeks! :)

Thank you for your feedback!





We will be adding more game in the future. Well we added free faucets, some improvement(minor bug fixes etc) and Player vs House. We will remain in the beta state for the next couple of months untill we added all the games and extra features( payment options, user interface etc).
The first thing I advise is revamping the design completely since the current design is awful and I don't think many gamblers would feel like gambling here despite the 0% house edge that you are advertising op.

We see no need for any house-edge.
I feel that your intentions may be good, but the possibility of running your business for the long term without an edge is very low and time has proven that. If you still wish to carry on despite our warnings, it is up to you. All the best!

Any idea on how you would improve our design/UI? We were busy with that but since we do not like dubbel work, we stalled it for a while. Until we have a more concrete look on what the communtiy would like to see as design/UI.
Well we strongly believe that the core idea should be able to work even though many have tried before. With this said we are not looking to give up since we are not in it for the profit. We will do our sincere best to make the project work in the long run. A captain never leaves his ship! :)


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Runnert on November 03, 2019, 09:17:09 PM
Guys still online, share me your thoughts. :)


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Twinkledoe on November 03, 2019, 09:27:25 PM
Guys still online, share me your thoughts. :)

What are your long-term goals for this gambling site? Do you really have no intentions to gain profit from this site? I have never heard a gambling site that has no intentions to earn income. What if, donate your money directly to charity, anyway, you don't want to earn money here?  :P


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Runnert on November 04, 2019, 12:36:50 PM
Guys still online, share me your thoughts. :)

What are your long-term goals for this gambling site? Do you really have no intentions to gain profit from this site? I have never heard a gambling site that has no intentions to earn income. What if, donate your money directly to charity, anyway, you don't want to earn money here?  :P

Well in the long run we would like to create the first free self-sustainable gambling site. We have no intentions to gain profit/revenue from this project. But we would like the platform to be able to maintain it self. We currently have to option from our users to donate, these fund will be used to pay for hosting, licensing and faster development etc. Think of buying a proper translator, to translate the website in multiple languages. If the donation's are not enough we might add advertisements(which you will be able to buy-off if you donate 10$ for example). And if that all is still not enough to make the site self-sustainable, we might add other donation-stimulants later on. Rest ensured the core concept/idea will always be free to use! :) If the income stream becomes higher than the our monthly costs, all "extra" funds will go towards improving the platform.

We see it more as a fun project/hobby to improve our skills and make something that could benefit a lot of people.

That said, no we are not looking to earn any money here. We are well aware we even might lose a lot of money. :P


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Runnert on November 05, 2019, 02:20:20 PM
Still online guys! Any feedback to improve the platform? :)


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Runnert on November 06, 2019, 02:09:04 PM
Please share us your thoughts! :)


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Runnert on November 07, 2019, 04:26:12 PM
Fixed some minor bugs! :)

Leave us some feedback!


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: TimeTeller on November 07, 2019, 10:25:01 PM
Fixed some minor bugs! :)

Leave us some feedback!

So is your site already up even in beta stage?
I mean, can you have real players already as you are giving free satoshis upon registration? Is that for testing the site or what?
I guess even if you have 0% house edge, you can't attract players here because frankly you have a boring layout and dull color theme.
Also, can you add a feature that you can see how many are online users? Thank you.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Runnert on November 08, 2019, 03:00:17 PM
Fixed some minor bugs! :)

Leave us some feedback!

So is your site already up even in beta stage?
I mean, can you have real players already as you are giving free satoshis upon registration? Is that for testing the site or what?
I guess even if you have 0% house edge, you can't attract players here because frankly you have a boring layout and dull color theme.
Also, can you add a feature that you can see how many are online users? Thank you.


Yes the site is currently up and running in beta stage( be aware our beta stage will last for a very long time ;P)
Yes you are able to deposit your BTC, play with it and withdraw when ever you want. You are able to test the site with the free faucet.
We are working on the layout as we speak! :)

At the home page there is a tracker that shows you the amount of online users.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Yamifoud on November 09, 2019, 12:35:05 AM
Fixed some minor bugs! :)

Leave us some feedback!

So is your site already up even in beta stage?
I mean, can you have real players already as you are giving free satoshis upon registration? Is that for testing the site or what?
I guess even if you have 0% house edge, you can't attract players here because frankly you have a boring layout and dull color theme.
Also, can you add a feature that you can see how many are online users? Thank you.


Yes the site is currently up and running in beta stage( be aware our beta stage will last for a very long time ;P)
Yes you are able to deposit your BTC, play with it and withdraw when ever you want. You are able to test the site with the free faucet.
We are working on the layout as we speak! :)

At the home page there is a tracker that shows you the amount of online users.
Then, good to hear that at last, you're in the beta stage. Only I ask regarding the possible fees cause that it also matters for all gamblers and I hope you could set into the most preferable one. Mentioning a number of gambling sites nowadays, gamblers will always be more practical regarding that and also the security of their funds must be assured for its safety.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Runnert on November 09, 2019, 09:59:41 PM

Then, good to hear that at last, you're in the beta stage. Only I ask regarding the possible fees cause that it also matters for all gamblers and I hope you could set into the most preferable one. Mentioning a number of gambling sites nowadays, gamblers will always be more practical regarding that and also the security of their funds must be assured for its safety.
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We keep the fees as low as possible. We run our own node and that node is 100% secure!  :)


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: tippytoes on November 10, 2019, 05:23:25 AM
Fixed some minor bugs! :)

Leave us some feedback!

So is your site already up even in beta stage?
I mean, can you have real players already as you are giving free satoshis upon registration? Is that for testing the site or what?
I guess even if you have 0% house edge, you can't attract players here because frankly you have a boring layout and dull color theme.
Also, can you add a feature that you can see how many are online users? Thank you.


Yes the site is currently up and running in beta stage( be aware our beta stage will last for a very long time ;P)
Yes you are able to deposit your BTC, play with it and withdraw when ever you want. You are able to test the site with the free faucet.
We are working on the layout as we speak! :)

At the home page there is a tracker that shows you the amount of online users.
Then, good to hear that at last, you're in the beta stage. Only I ask regarding the possible fees cause that it also matters for all gamblers and I hope you could set into the most preferable one. Mentioning a number of gambling sites nowadays, gamblers will always be more practical regarding that and also the security of their funds must be assured for its safety.

Yes, you really need to work on your layout and aesthetic appearance. Since, there are numerous casino sites already, the competition is really tight and one thing that a player will notice is actually the website itself. So if they are not attracted at first impression, they might not even reach to the point of registering to your site. Though you are aiming for 0% house edge, it is understandable that your development will be slow. But then, I hope you will continue to improve your site.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: LoyceV on November 10, 2019, 08:00:10 AM
We run our own node and that node is 100% secure!  :)
That's a dangerous statement. Many Bitcoin casinos have lost considerable amounts of funds when security bugs got exploited. You say you don't want to make a profit, but you are still liable for customers' funds, and if something goes wrong, you'll have a problem.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Runnert on November 11, 2019, 01:32:29 PM
Fixed some minor bugs! :)

Leave us some feedback!

So is your site already up even in beta stage?
I mean, can you have real players already as you are giving free satoshis upon registration? Is that for testing the site or what?
I guess even if you have 0% house edge, you can't attract players here because frankly you have a boring layout and dull color theme.
Also, can you add a feature that you can see how many are online users? Thank you.


Yes the site is currently up and running in beta stage( be aware our beta stage will last for a very long time ;P)
Yes you are able to deposit your BTC, play with it and withdraw when ever you want. You are able to test the site with the free faucet.
We are working on the layout as we speak! :)

At the home page there is a tracker that shows you the amount of online users.
Then, good to hear that at last, you're in the beta stage. Only I ask regarding the possible fees cause that it also matters for all gamblers and I hope you could set into the most preferable one. Mentioning a number of gambling sites nowadays, gamblers will always be more practical regarding that and also the security of their funds must be assured for its safety.

Yes, you really need to work on your layout and aesthetic appearance. Since, there are numerous casino sites already, the competition is really tight and one thing that a player will notice is actually the website itself. So if they are not attracted at first impression, they might not even reach to the point of registering to your site. Though you are aiming for 0% house edge, it is understandable that your development will be slow. But then, I hope you will continue to improve your site.

We indeed have a lot of competition, but we try to stand out with no house edge. The layout ofcourse is very important and we are currently working on a new design. Stay tuned!

We run our own node and that node is 100% secure!  :)
That's a dangerous statement. Many Bitcoin casinos have lost considerable amounts of funds when security bugs got exploited. You say you don't want to make a profit, but you are still liable for customers' funds, and if something goes wrong, you'll have a problem.
We had some security experts review our system to make it as save as possible. Because we keep updating the site, we regularly do security checks to make sure everything works as intended. If anything in the update includes money, an extra strict security check will be performed.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Runnert on November 12, 2019, 06:41:09 PM
Still online, let us know what you think!


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Runnert on November 14, 2019, 08:00:47 PM
We are working on a new lay-out right now. :)

What should we add next? Please let us know!

Poker?
Sports-betting?
Lotteries?
Dice games?
Improve our forum?
Other input?


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: RivAngE on November 14, 2019, 10:05:39 PM
We are working on a new lay-out right now. :)

What should we add next? Please let us know!

Poker?
Sports-betting?
Lotteries?
Dice games?
Improve our forum?
Other input?

Poker like 1v1 or 4 players against each other? Or Poker like playing against the house?
If you could make a provably fair poker that'd be a big hit since it's very hard to make.


Title: Re: This might be a different approach to gambling?
Post by: Runnert on November 16, 2019, 01:58:58 PM


Poker like 1v1 or 4 players against each other? Or Poker like playing against the house?
If you could make a provably fair poker that'd be a big hit since it's very hard to make.
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You would like us to add poker because you like to play it or because you think this will improve the platform and gain more traffic? :P
You need players online to play poker against each other.. That said we are almost finished with creating provably fair poker(will create an discussion regarding our new RNG's). But we are doubting what we should add first. Like i stated before there has to be traffic in order to fill the poker rooms. We rather put our time and effort in something that people would use. Could you convince us why we should are poker(1v1 etc) as the second game? :)