This might be a different approach to gambling?

[Runnert]

If we are not able to maintain the site anymore( witch is highly unlikely ) we will make sure all funds go to the rightfull owner.
Like i said earlier: if we wanted to scam the ordinary guy there are 1000 other ways to do that way more efficient without building an complex gambling site.

Just remember that we are in crypto world, and it means we should trust no one. Probably you are honest person, I don't know but people should not easily trust others just to keep them safe. Anyway, what is the complex parts you are talking about?

I understand that and if ppl don't trust it they can always deposit like 2$ and withdraw directly after they win something.
Well prob 90% of all gambling sites run on the same scrips. Ours on the other hand is build from scratch we use the most up-to-date techniques like Laravel and Vue with the newest versions. This combined with all updates over web sockets and not using any Ajax polling at all making is a lot of work to build new features. We don't chose the easy way, compared to the frontend we put a lot of effort in the backend of the website. Please keep in mind that everything is made out of nothing We started at 0% just like our house-edge if there are any more technical questions I will be glad to answer them.

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[Runnert]

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.

[Runnert]

The issue here is that this sounds like a potential scam since you are saying it's 0% house edge and you are running this site under the goodness of your heart.

I would understand if a large Bitcoin casino like Fortunejack, Primedice, Bitsler launched some sister site and claimed it was 0% house edge because it's PvP then I would believe them, because they already got a income stream with their main site. However you don't seem to have one in anyway and it seems like it might be a potential exit scam in the future, especially with the very simple design. Means not too much effort was put into this and another reason why it might be a scam.

My questions are also like the above posters, how can we prove it's really some unique player on the other side of the bet and not yourself, since you know the server seed and client seeds.?

If an large casino would make this as a sister site, wouldn't they risk losing a lot of users on their main site and also lose their income stream as you said? All online casino's could pull of a exit scam but that is not our angle. Indeed the design is very simple at the moment, we are currently putting in a lot of effort on the backend of the website. But that doesn't mean there is not much effort put in. Just because it doesn't look like one of the 10.000 same casino websites. Their scrips are all pre-made, same with the layout. We actually build it an run it. They all bought some software. And have the funds to run it. We are planing to release a new RNG system somewhere this week.
Due to many concerns about the fact that; we(as the site owner) could play against the users while knowing the clientseed of the user that created a bet. We came up with a new way to give our bets 100% provably fair RNG. The new way will go as followed: Both players need to be online and in the same lobby, when both players are in the same lobby they create a clientseed in their browser. The hashed version of these clientseeds will be sent to the server. We will reveal your hashed version to the other player, and also the other way around. Make sure you copy your opponent's hashed clientseed, so you are able to check it after the bet has been played. When both players click 'confirm', both players will send their plain-text clientseed to the server at the same time.

In case something went wrong or someone tries to alter their clientseed in their browser after sending the hashed version of it, we will reject their clientseed. The person whose clientseed was wrong or is missing, still has the option to submit their clientseed within 48 hours and get the bet result. To make the system safe, the player who’s clientseed was correct has the option to either cancel the bet and refund the bet amount to both players, or to wait 48 hours and get all the funds without a result(but only if the other users didn’t submit their clientseed before 48 hours). This makes our system 100% safe. The only downside is that both players have to be online and in the exact same lobby. Due to that we will also offer our old system for those who believe that we won't use the outcome against them. And don't feel like waiting all day until someone joins them because we currently do not have that much users yet.

[abel1337]

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.

A really new approach to gamblers. Having 0 house edge could be a game-changer but how can you supposed to maintain your gambling site if you are only relying upon on donations. Not to mention the hosting service fee and other website fee's. Finding a good sponsor or donator can help you a lot on the free service that you are giving. Hyping this gambling site could possibly attract some donators to support you.

Kudos to Runnert on making this gambling site without any house edge!

[Runnert]

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.

A really new approach to gamblers. Having 0 house edge could be a game-changer but how can you supposed to maintain your gambling site if you are only relying upon on donations. Not to mention the hosting service fee and other website fee's. Finding a good sponsor or donator can help you a lot on the free service that you are giving. Hyping this gambling site could possibly attract some donators to support you.

Kudos to Runnert on making this gambling site without any house edge!

The only costs we have at the moment are hosting fee's. And we will pay that out of our own pocket, because it doesn't has any financial impact on us. We don't really feel like getting a sponsor because there isn't much to pay. Well we don't want to hype our project in anyway because we strongly believe that when the community finds it good enough, users will will follow after that. So we are going to do our best to get to a point where players feel like playing on our site. More like word of mouth advertising.

[Yatsan]

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.

A really new approach to gamblers. Having 0 house edge could be a game-changer but how can you supposed to maintain your gambling site if you are only relying upon on donations. Not to mention the hosting service fee and other website fee's. Finding a good sponsor or donator can help you a lot on the free service that you are giving. Hyping this gambling site could possibly attract some donators to support you.

Kudos to Runnert on making this gambling site without any house edge!

The only costs we have at the moment are hosting fee's. And we will pay that out of our own pocket, because it doesn't has any financial impact on us. We don't really feel like getting a sponsor because there isn't much to pay. Well we don't want to hype our project in anyway because we strongly believe that when the community finds it good enough, users will will follow after that. So we are going to do our best to get to a point where players feel like playing on our site. More like word of mouth advertising.

I'm still thinking what you will get from having a zero house edge gambling site? Like you are paying for hosting fee without generating income from your players. Do you already thought of having a player donations, so you could get some? or just waiting for donator and sponsors?  If you guys doing it for free some people will think there is something wrong?  I mean it's kinda weird

[Runnert]

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.

A really new approach to gamblers. Having 0 house edge could be a game-changer but how can you supposed to maintain your gambling site if you are only relying upon on donations. Not to mention the hosting service fee and other website fee's. Finding a good sponsor or donator can help you a lot on the free service that you are giving. Hyping this gambling site could possibly attract some donators to support you.

Kudos to Runnert on making this gambling site without any house edge!

The only costs we have at the moment are hosting fee's. And we will pay that out of our own pocket, because it doesn't has any financial impact on us. We don't really feel like getting a sponsor because there isn't much to pay. Well we don't want to hype our project in anyway because we strongly believe that when the community finds it good enough, users will will follow after that. So we are going to do our best to get to a point where players feel like playing on our site. More like word of mouth advertising.

I'm still thinking what you will get from having a zero house edge gambling site? Like you are paying for hosting fee without generating income from your players. Do you already thought of having a player donations, so you could get some? or just waiting for donator and sponsors?  If you guys doing it for free some people will think there is something wrong?  I mean it's kinda weird

Players can donate to the project on the donation tab but you need to log in first before you can access it. It is kinda weird, the entire idea is something that hasn't been done before. But i can ensure you we want to create the best and safest experience for our users! That is why we were offline this afternoon to upgrade some security features.

[Runnert]

Guys we update our thread to give you guys some more information.

[game-protect]

There is already edgeless.io and they have a registered company, so players know who they can hold liable if they will get scammed.

Who is the operator of your show?

[Runnert]

There is already edgeless.io and they have a registered company, so players know who they can hold liable if they will get scammed.

Who is the operator of your show?

We are the operators of this project.

I see where you are coming from but do you know what a ICO is, and how they are able to scam you even if you know who to hold liable? Did you ever heard about zero-edge.com?  https://medium.com/@rilandaker/ico-scam-alert-zeroedge-is-all-fake-207f85d6a9d7 please see this.
Eventually we will obtain a license, but without a sketchy ICO coin.

We do not have any intentions of scamming people, if we wanted to target the ordinary guy i could think of a 1000 ways to do that much more efficient. ;p

[game-protect]

There is already edgeless.io and they have a registered company, so players know who they can hold liable if they will get scammed.

Who is the operator of your show?

We are the operators of this project.

I asked for the name of the company that operates your online casino?

We do not have any intentions of scamming people, if we wanted to target the ordinary guy i could think of a 1000 ways to do that much more efficient. ;p

The problem is that if someone plans to scam he will not tell it in advance!

[Yatsan]

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.

A really new approach to gamblers. Having 0 house edge could be a game-changer but how can you supposed to maintain your gambling site if you are only relying upon on donations. Not to mention the hosting service fee and other website fee's. Finding a good sponsor or donator can help you a lot on the free service that you are giving. Hyping this gambling site could possibly attract some donators to support you.

Kudos to Runnert on making this gambling site without any house edge!

The only costs we have at the moment are hosting fee's. And we will pay that out of our own pocket, because it doesn't has any financial impact on us. We don't really feel like getting a sponsor because there isn't much to pay. Well we don't want to hype our project in anyway because we strongly believe that when the community finds it good enough, users will will follow after that. So we are going to do our best to get to a point where players feel like playing on our site. More like word of mouth advertising.

I'm still thinking what you will get from having a zero house edge gambling site? Like you are paying for hosting fee without generating income from your players. Do you already thought of having a player donations, so you could get some? or just waiting for donator and sponsors?  If you guys doing it for free some people will think there is something wrong?  I mean it's kinda weird

Players can donate to the project on the donation tab but you need to log in first before you can access it. It is kinda weird, the entire idea is something that hasn't been done before. But i can ensure you we want to create the best and safest experience for our users! That is why we were offline this afternoon to upgrade some security features.

So there will be a donation tab for players who wants to donate. As you have said it is something that hasn't been done before (If we're not mistaken) that is why prepare yourself guys to be ask by so many question especially when it comes to site maintenance and pool funds. I appreciate your effort on updating this thread and what you guys are up to, hope this will be successful. 

[veleten]

while the concept of the no-edge gambling is appealing , I would prefer a common business model with a  1% house edge
rather than some unsustainable and unknown way of getting profit
while I do believe in charity and hobbies , I exclude gambling sites since they are made to have profit for the owners , not fun
I only know one site that has implemented a zero edge model rather successfully , its a lottery and I can't say they are making big money with it  https://8bet.io/  if you wanna check them out , by the way
in any case , more competition is always good , have the top sites move forward and the smaller ones try to overtake them , this what makes the gambling world go round
( and money , of course)

[Runnert]

There is already edgeless.io and they have a registered company, so players know who they can hold liable if they will get scammed.

Who is the operator of your show?

We are the operators of this project.

I asked for the name of the company that operates your online casino?

There is currently no financial institution behind us, also no company as you could say. Just the Fifty-Fifty brand and us working on it.
I get you would like to know who we are, but due to the fact this is an online BTC casino, anonymity is a must for us. I hope you will understand that.

We do not have any intentions of scamming people, if we wanted to target the ordinary guy i could think of a 1000 ways to do that much more efficient. ;p

The problem is that if someone plans to scam he will not tell it in advance!

I understand, and if you do not feel comfortable with our service, make sure you do not deposit any funds.
Besides that like i explained earlier if we wanted to target ordinary people, we wouldn't have make this complex gambling platform.

[Runnert]

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.

A really new approach to gamblers. Having 0 house edge could be a game-changer but how can you supposed to maintain your gambling site if you are only relying upon on donations. Not to mention the hosting service fee and other website fee's. Finding a good sponsor or donator can help you a lot on the free service that you are giving. Hyping this gambling site could possibly attract some donators to support you.

Kudos to Runnert on making this gambling site without any house edge!

The only costs we have at the moment are hosting fee's. And we will pay that out of our own pocket, because it doesn't has any financial impact on us. We don't really feel like getting a sponsor because there isn't much to pay. Well we don't want to hype our project in anyway because we strongly believe that when the community finds it good enough, users will will follow after that. So we are going to do our best to get to a point where players feel like playing on our site. More like word of mouth advertising.

I'm still thinking what you will get from having a zero house edge gambling site? Like you are paying for hosting fee without generating income from your players. Do you already thought of having a player donations, so you could get some? or just waiting for donator and sponsors?  If you guys doing it for free some people will think there is something wrong?  I mean it's kinda weird

Players can donate to the project on the donation tab but you need to log in first before you can access it. It is kinda weird, the entire idea is something that hasn't been done before. But i can ensure you we want to create the best and safest experience for our users! That is why we were offline this afternoon to upgrade some security features.

So there will be a donation tab for players who wants to donate. As you have said it is something that hasn't been done before (If we're not mistaken) that is why prepare yourself guys to be ask by so many question especially when it comes to site maintenance and pool funds. I appreciate your effort on updating this thread and what you guys are up to, hope this will be successful. 

Once you make an acount the donation tab will reveal it self.
 We are glad to answer any project related questions.

Thank you for your positive feedback!

[shield132]

I read your thread's first post, love the story to be fair, it shows great and right motive behind this project. But donation in casinos still sounds very funny, donate in casino instead of donate for poor people? Don't take it wrongly but I think there are some issues.
If your plan is to really help gamble addicts, be more informative around this subject too on your website to achieve better results.
Also you need to change UI as soon as possible, it's not really nice, I know you'll do that in some time but you really need some key to make customer visit your website and with bad UI it makes your promotion very hard.
On another hand wish you luck and all the best but I guess you seriously need to consider alternative methods of profit from your website rather than depend on just donation.

[Runnert]

while the concept of the no-edge gambling is appealing , I would prefer a common business model with a  1% house edge
rather than some unsustainable and unknown way of getting profit
while I do believe in charity and hobbies , I exclude gambling sites since they are made to have profit for the owners , not fun
I only know one site that has implemented a zero edge model rather successfully , its a lottery and I can't say they are making big money with it  https://8bet.io/  if you wanna check them out , by the way
in any case , more competition is always good , have the top sites move forward and the smaller ones try to overtake them , this what makes the gambling world go round
( and money , of course)

There is no unsustainable or unknown way of getting profit, because we are not looking to make profit. Well we find coding this website fun and we see it more as a challenge do make it.
We would love to see our final product being self sustainable. If the platform grows too big and there is not enough income with donations, we might add some advertisements later on.
I agree, that is why we wanted to build this not only for a good purpose but also to make a statement within the betting community.

I read your thread's first post, love the story to be fair, it shows great and right motive behind this project. But donation in casinos still sounds very funny, donate in casino instead of donate for poor people? Don't take it wrongly but I think there are some issues.
If your plan is to really help gamble addicts, be more informative around this subject too on your website to achieve better results.
Also you need to change UI as soon as possible, it's not really nice, I know you'll do that in some time but you really need some key to make customer visit your website and with bad UI it makes your promotion very hard.
On another hand wish you luck and all the best but I guess you seriously need to consider alternative methods of profit from your website rather than depend on just donation.

Thank you for your positive feedback!

We will change our UI later on because we want to make sure everything works perfectly, i understand that it is a big thing for gamblers but from our perspective important stuff first(RNG, security and a smooth backend).
After that we will look into our UI.
Good point, we will update our website information as soon as we got time for it. In the end we hope our platfrom will become self-sustainable. If the platform grows too big and we get not that many donations, we might add some advertisements later on. But we will never change our house edge of anything like that! 

P.S. In regular casino's many people do give tips to the croupier. ;P

[veleten]

so , the monetization will be through donations , right?
I would like to see the site first , but I'm sure the business model is simply not going to make it
from my experience, when you provide some service or goods and ask people to donate if they like it
you will end up with one or two random donations , if even that , but I can see you are not too worried about the money aspect
adding ads to a gambling site doesn't give any bonus points from the point of view of a gambler
but once again , lets wait and see the product first , when is the ETA for the site to go live?

[Runnert]

so , the monetization will be through donations , right?
I would like to see the site first , but I'm sure the business model is simply not going to make it
from my experience, when you provide some service or goods and ask people to donate if they like it
you will end up with one or two random donations , if even that , but I can see you are not too worried about the money aspect
adding ads to a gambling site doesn't give any bonus points from the point of view of a gambler
but once again , lets wait and see the product first , when is the ETA for the site to go live?

You can visit our site at www.Fifty-Fifty.casino. we are currently in the beta so don't expect to much.

Tips are really common in the regular casino's. There is no business model because all donations will be used to improve the website. We will not use the donations for our own benefit. Well we heard that most people don't mind seeing 1-2 adds a day for a free casino. Just to keep the platform self-sustainable.

[Twinkledoe]

What additional games are you planning to integrate on your gambling site? I am curious what will happen to this site after a couple or six of months of active operations. Can they sustain their business or not?